You should make a Part 2 of this. There are more unused cards on the same page you were looking at, like early version of Lackeys called "Zugs", or many (and I mean MANY) cards for Naxx.
I remember devs said they wanted scrap reaver to be in game but they added solarium instead because some minions like *cough* voidlord *cough* would be too OP as a 3 mana 9/9 taunt.
Actually, this is a misconception. Plenty of Chinese games have bones. It's just self-cnsrship on the Westerners' part because they are afraid they'd get bullied out of the Chinese market. I.e., it's a tool to scare Western companies into submission. - Adûnâi
Much of the artwork comes from the retired World of Warcraft TCG (which was amazing btw). The ARtwork you said doesn't fit Hearthstone seems to be one by Jonboy Myers, one of the most recognizable artists of the TCG. Sadly it went under to make room for Hearthstone. Hey Solem, make a video about Hearthstones predecessor one day, your audience will love it!
i remember when a dev from hearthstone did a Q&A and one of the questions was “if they created idea cards that never got threw?” he answered yes and said this “i had a cool idea for a minion where he has a battlecry: gain +1/+1 for each game you loss...” he said it would be cool to losses a bunch of games and create a big minion but it never got threw. i think he was talking about Devouring ooz unless he didnt know that card was made but was removed.
i've heard that the ghostly keyword initially was "at the end of your turn discard this card if it is in your hand", then they chose the proto militia commander as a blueprint for echo
Many of thoses cards would have been broken in old set, but now, some of them just feel "Ok" The draw 2 on rogue by combo would be realy stronger than Secret passage, Arcane blast Draw Would be strong to, but not broken Anyway when you look, some cards just "dont fit"
"Maybe in 2022." Ah yes, the perfect way to never fail a New Years resolution is to continually put it off. Trust me, I've been doing it for years, the process just works.
I remember Team5 saying somewhere that they left Death Wish out because it enabled a Warrior archetype that did nothing except gain armor and remove the board without interacting. Never mind that Odd Warrior thing that happened later. And general Wallet Warrior stuff.
My friend and I printed out cards when the game was announced. We had a priest and a druid and most of the cards wore either completely useless or busted. Much fun.
I remember during an interview they talked about what I believe the ghostly keyword meant. When you drew or got a copy of a ghostly card you had a single turn to play it or it would be discarded. Also Solem's interpretation of the old Kangor is correct, it was intended to attach to a mech and then copy that mech. Devs said they'd changed it as it was confusing to players how the battlecry/magnetic keyword interacted with one another. Also fun fact per the devs Electra Stormsurge's change was not a nerf. They said they disliked the older version and after playtesting they found the cheaper Electra could be combo'd a lot easier into more damaging effects. So in a way by changing the card they claimed it wound up buffed.
Ghostly keyword wasn't exactly echo, it just means if you don't play it, it vanishes from your hand at the end of your turn. It's just that if your battle cry is "add a ghostly version of that card to your hand", then that, specifically, is effectively identical to Echo. So the Ghost card was a 1 mana 2/2 which had to be played the turn you draw it or you lose it. Kind of a neat concept imo.
Hidden Passage doesn't add them, it temporarily adds them. And while that's usually better, coin double adrenaline rush is some *serious* deck thinning, almost tracking on steroids.
14:45 So that could be the reason why when you just start the game, in the prologue, millhouse says that he has an awesome card and "just wait untill i have more mana" Or something like that.
i actualy REMEMBER that Fade priest card. Dunno where i saw it originaly, i think it was in sneak peak of class cards on the first hearthstone website blizz ever made and i remember reading somewhere that "people werent interested in it (as the web and game, not the card) at all". Ohh such innocent times
Gnomenapper's discover effect would work fine if your discover phase happened at the start of your own turn, before draw. That said, if it worked that way then it'd become a way to combo into Nozdormu's effect
Friendly reminder that Pot of Greed in Yugi and Ancestral Recall in MTG are some of the most powerful cards in their respective games, cheap card advantage is absolutely overpowered and we do not need to see a "1 mana draw 2" in hearthstone, especially in a combo class lol, Adrenaline Rush would be absolutely nuts. As for Secret Passage, we all know it's broken, but you don't get to keep the cards at end of turn, making it's ideal time to play it like turn 5-10.
Demoralizing Roar and to a lesser degree Death Wish is trying to emulate what the skill for warrior does in WoW. that is, it reduces enemies base attack; tank druids had roar and warriors had shout; no idea why a druid ability is being slapped into warrior, maybe a holdover from a smaller hero pool? and Death wish gave you 100% critical rate but made you significantly more fragile. Demo roar would be an interesting card to capitalize on multi attack weapons.
Love that a lot of these, like the Darkspear Hunter, have a Strategy run-down on their Wiki page. People love their theorycrafting. Also, I don't think Darkspear is a bad card, not at the time. Unnerfed Starving Buzzard enabled Play Beast swarm and was broken enough to need a nerf without Darkspear in the game.
The art of Omireaper is from a trinket in naxxramas 25 saphiron "Bandit's Insignia" it was pretty bad. pretty sure the same art was used on other wow items during that time aswell.
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Flipping a screen upside-down should be a very easy move in the Unity engine. But yeah this is Blizz (and old Team5, no less) we're talking about here.
I never understood why blizzard doesn't revisit or reuse old keywords like echo or recruit, but print cards that use the exact effect of a particular keyword
Great ideia for a video, another one you could do is the card changes page in the hearthstone wikia (nerfs for the most part), would the old version of the cards see play today in wild?
1 mana draw a card would be really strong for activating combos in rogue. If you add combo: draw 2 it gets completely broken I think. Cards that make you draw 2 normally cost 3 mana
Oldtown Beggar isn't 'just' a Nat Pagle. It's a Common. You could have all of them in one deck. It'd be like a full combined 100% chance to draw. I know, I'm making lots of comments on an old video.
I Liked the Fact that the skelleton Knight has a different Artwork for the chinese market, are there more Europe / China card differences? Would be interesting if you'd make a Video for that
i think the gnomenapper would work if it did your opponents version on the start of their turn so the could would read... *Battlecry: Discover* a minion. at the start of their turn, your opponent guesses your choice. when successful they receive it as well. that may be a little wordy and im sure there is a way to trim it down but i think that it would add some skill to the card because if you play the minion you discovered the turn you discovered it, it would tell which minion you chose and be able to get a copy as well or your opponent can guess naturally. because a 5 mana 5/5 discover a minion for your opponent is pretty trash, i think it would be fair to reduce its cost to 4 mana and lower the attack to make it a 4/5. over statted (at the time) with a slight downside would actually make this card very interesting to have in hearthstone
Hi Solem, I notice two things in the video: 1. The expansions that got most of the card changes are rated low in popularity. 2. Only cards from the past 3 years and cards from the early alpha were removed, meaning there was a period in time where blizzard just really didn't like the developers. Guess who left after witchwood? Ben Brode. No surprises there...
I think Ghostly might've been more interesting than Echo. It's a 1 mana 2/2 Neutral, that's too powerful for Witchwood's time. My guess is that Ghostly was going to be some sort of minor downside. Could be that it was just 1 mana for ease of testing the Echo mechanic, though. But that does imply that they take 'measures' to test 'things'. Hmm.
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Didn't they release a few videos on their channel where they went over a decent percentage of these cards? I think there even was a similar video about Kobolds and Catacombs and those cards weren't even shown here. UPD: Yes, there were a few cards that didn't make it in the official video about spellstones.
They should do more crazy stuff with game modes like Tavern Brawl in general, because why not? So many Tavern Brawls are so boring. Would be nice if they just went off the rails with it.
Don't know why they removed mana spring totem. With knife jugglers and brewmasters, an ideal example of a combo that blizzard calls "fun and interactive" would arise...
Comparing adrenaline rush with secret passage isn't the same thing. Drawing and replacing is kinda different. 1 Mana draw or combo draw 2 is pretty decent
Saying the rush-card doesnt look like a hearthstone-card is kind of strange. it fits 100% fine with older cards, the wow-tcg which this game uses many if not all artworks until a certain point had many different art-styles, warcraft in general had many different art-styles. I would rather say new hearthstone is the bad one here and doesnt fit. Blizzard simply does "Pixar" now and it pisses me off. Pixar is not what i should be thinking if i see any warcraft content. But hey, thats modern blizz now. Fukkem.
1:50 please stop calling Secret passage 1 Mana Draw 4 in comparisons, its Not. Its a very strong Card in Aggro Decks but its Not at all 1 Mana Draw 4. Its Not "pretty Bad" its a half-costed swindle(2 Mana Draw a spell, Combo: and a Minion) and pretty strong.
I mean adrenaline rush would probably incredibly limit design space for rogue to prevent solitaire. Like it's swindle but 1 mana and at launch. It was probably a little too similar to literally just being pot of greed for the balance teams tastes at the time. A lot of the others are just really niche or really overpowered especially for base hearthstone. Although it really puts into perspective how dumb secret passage was. Like did they have nobody playing rogue in QA or something? Theres no way 1 mana draw 5 should have gotten through. Also I find it really funny how they're still too scared to print puddlejumper as evidenced by scargill. Devouring ooze and autopecker are victims of the it's a digital caard game mentality where yes these are effects you could make work in hearthstone but who would ever play them?
There are also changes they made to make cards "consumer friendly". Yes, including "behold the glory of a new sun!" Also, you are dead to me for watching SAO. Watch Fate/Stay Night. The OG anime.
Cards from alpha and beta: probably removed for balance
Modern cards: superior to those cards in every measure
adrenaline rush versus swindle though
And there are actually people who think power creep isn't a thing.
@@thewriteinpresident you okay man?
@@thewriteinpresident what???
@@thewriteinpresident the fuck
If you've played WoW most of the flavor fits with the classes and lore. Even some art, although odd for hearthstone, fits WoW.
Right? The hippo card was legit just a WOW screenshot lol
Most of them were just using art from the Warcraft TCG
9:13 "blind to the cause like me without glasses"... Yeah true considering it says BIND
the thing is adrenaline rush would be super bonkers and see play for like 4 years but well... secret passage is even more broken
"Just you wait until I have 10 mana!". /Millhouse Manastorm from the HS tutorial/
Yooooo ultimate tie in
14:33 This is referenced in the tutorial when Millhouse said “just you wait until I have ten mana.”
You should make a Part 2 of this. There are more unused cards on the same page you were looking at, like early version of Lackeys called "Zugs", or many (and I mean MANY) cards for Naxx.
"Kids like witches and wood" -Solem 2021
I remember devs said they wanted scrap reaver to be in game but they added solarium instead because some minions like *cough* voidlord *cough* would be too OP as a 3 mana 9/9 taunt.
11:53
China don't like skulls and skeletons, games with these artworks need to hide it. Like Karthus from League of Legends
Actually, this is a misconception. Plenty of Chinese games have bones. It's just self-cnsrship on the Westerners' part because they are afraid they'd get bullied out of the Chinese market. I.e., it's a tool to scare Western companies into submission.
- Adûnâi
Much of the artwork comes from the retired World of Warcraft TCG (which was amazing btw). The ARtwork you said doesn't fit Hearthstone seems to be one by Jonboy Myers, one of the most recognizable artists of the TCG. Sadly it went under to make room for Hearthstone. Hey Solem, make a video about Hearthstones predecessor one day, your audience will love it!
i remember when a dev from hearthstone did a Q&A and one of the questions was “if they created idea cards that never got threw?” he answered yes and said this “i had a cool idea for a minion where he has a battlecry: gain +1/+1 for each game you loss...” he said it would be cool to losses a bunch of games and create a big minion but it never got threw. i think he was talking about Devouring ooz unless he didnt know that card was made but was removed.
i've heard that the ghostly keyword initially was "at the end of your turn discard this card if it is in your hand", then they chose the proto militia commander as a blueprint for echo
13:22 that artwork is from a trinket that dropped in Naxxramas in WoW.
Many of thoses cards would have been broken in old set, but now, some of them just feel "Ok" The draw 2 on rogue by combo would be realy stronger than Secret passage, Arcane blast Draw Would be strong to, but not broken
Anyway when you look, some cards just "dont fit"
Thanks Solem for coming up with the best topics! Great content. I could not wish for any better. Keep up the good work! 🤘
“Millhouse used to give you that card?” *proceeds to cover card with face so we can’t read it*
"Maybe in 2022."
Ah yes, the perfect way to never fail a New Years resolution is to continually put it off. Trust me, I've been doing it for years, the process just works.
I remember Team5 saying somewhere that they left Death Wish out because it enabled a Warrior archetype that did nothing except gain armor and remove the board without interacting.
Never mind that Odd Warrior thing that happened later. And general Wallet Warrior stuff.
"Bethekk,The panther"
*IMAGE OF A WOLF*
Yep
My friend and I printed out cards when the game was announced. We had a priest and a druid and most of the cards wore either completely useless or busted. Much fun.
I remember during an interview they talked about what I believe the ghostly keyword meant. When you drew or got a copy of a ghostly card you had a single turn to play it or it would be discarded.
Also Solem's interpretation of the old Kangor is correct, it was intended to attach to a mech and then copy that mech. Devs said they'd changed it as it was confusing to players how the battlecry/magnetic keyword interacted with one another.
Also fun fact per the devs Electra Stormsurge's change was not a nerf. They said they disliked the older version and after playtesting they found the cheaper Electra could be combo'd a lot easier into more damaging effects. So in a way by changing the card they claimed it wound up buffed.
Ghostly keyword wasn't exactly echo, it just means if you don't play it, it vanishes from your hand at the end of your turn. It's just that if your battle cry is "add a ghostly version of that card to your hand", then that, specifically, is effectively identical to Echo. So the Ghost card was a 1 mana 2/2 which had to be played the turn you draw it or you lose it. Kind of a neat concept imo.
Hidden Passage doesn't add them, it temporarily adds them. And while that's usually better, coin double adrenaline rush is some *serious* deck thinning, almost tracking on steroids.
The only card I saw removed was my credit card
So I stop spending and dont end up homeless
This new angle makes the video look so much sharper and color balanced than your previous ones.
14:45
So that could be the reason why when you just start the game, in the prologue, millhouse says that he has an awesome card and "just wait untill i have more mana"
Or something like that.
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Bethekk, the panther...
The Panther...
Yeah... I know they needed a placeholder artwork but I'm pretty sure they could have found better...
L'Humanoide Errant des Internets they used that picture for all loa cards
i actualy REMEMBER that Fade priest card. Dunno where i saw it originaly, i think it was in sneak peak of class cards on the first hearthstone website blizz ever made and i remember reading somewhere that "people werent interested in it (as the web and game, not the card) at all". Ohh such innocent times
Happy new year Solem! Wishing you the best in 2021 :)
Gnomenapper's discover effect would work fine if your discover phase happened at the start of your own turn, before draw. That said, if it worked that way then it'd become a way to combo into Nozdormu's effect
Imagine playing on phone or tablet having your screen get turned upside down then just rotating your device 180° to fix it
I applaud solem for straight up saying he isn't going to even bother trying to learn guitar this year
Shame about the old version of the Witchwood got canceled, a murder mystery expansion sounds cool.
(14:33) When you fight with millhouse manastorm in tutorial he says, ''wait until i have 10 mana'' lol
>he doesn't know the WoW lore but remembers old cards off the top of his head
Bruh
Friendly reminder that Pot of Greed in Yugi and Ancestral Recall in MTG are some of the most powerful cards in their respective games, cheap card advantage is absolutely overpowered and we do not need to see a "1 mana draw 2" in hearthstone, especially in a combo class lol, Adrenaline Rush would be absolutely nuts. As for Secret Passage, we all know it's broken, but you don't get to keep the cards at end of turn, making it's ideal time to play it like turn 5-10.
ghostly means it's discarded at the end of your turn, so you can only play it the turn you draw it
Sounds really good to thin out your deck and get all the cards that you need.
@@oneblacksun I don't really see how. You still have to draw it. Just discarding it at the end of turn doesn't really accelerate the draw
@@WarriorF7 True, but it still means you can have a 6 card deck in theory.
@@oneblacksun How so?
Demoralizing Roar and to a lesser degree Death Wish is trying to emulate what the skill for warrior does in WoW. that is, it reduces enemies base attack; tank druids had roar and warriors had shout; no idea why a druid ability is being slapped into warrior, maybe a holdover from a smaller hero pool? and Death wish gave you 100% critical rate but made you significantly more fragile. Demo roar would be an interesting card to capitalize on multi attack weapons.
Love that a lot of these, like the Darkspear Hunter, have a Strategy run-down on their Wiki page.
People love their theorycrafting.
Also, I don't think Darkspear is a bad card, not at the time. Unnerfed Starving Buzzard enabled Play Beast swarm and was broken enough to need a nerf without Darkspear in the game.
Fun fact swindle is a really good card in standard already and it's like adrenaline rush for 2 mana basically.
The art of Omireaper is from a trinket in naxxramas 25 saphiron "Bandit's Insignia" it was pretty bad. pretty sure the same art was used on other wow items during that time aswell.
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Where do you get the Pokémon background theme music that plays?
I have been searching for them or a playlist all over the internet and can't find it 😄
Cheers,
Amjed
Flipping a screen upside-down should be a very easy move in the Unity engine. But yeah this is Blizz (and old Team5, no less) we're talking about here.
I never understood why blizzard doesn't revisit or reuse old keywords like echo or recruit, but print cards that use the exact effect of a particular keyword
Great ideia for a video, another one you could do is the card changes page in the hearthstone wikia (nerfs for the most part), would the old version of the cards see play today in wild?
I miss rotating cardbacks during auctal game
1 mana draw a card would be really strong for activating combos in rogue. If you add combo: draw 2 it gets completely broken I think. Cards that make you draw 2 normally cost 3 mana
Oldtown Beggar isn't 'just' a Nat Pagle. It's a Common. You could have all of them in one deck. It'd be like a full combined 100% chance to draw.
I know, I'm making lots of comments on an old video.
The Guitar should be like a 100.000 sub special
I Liked the Fact that the skelleton Knight has a different Artwork for the chinese market, are there more Europe / China card differences? Would be interesting if you'd make a Video for that
This was a fun trip through HS history! :)
What are the lights in the background called?
First name and concept for Witchwood sounds like Shudder and other will have come to life in a different form
Auto-pecker would be hype for a Tavern Brawl or maybe some sort of Puzzle Adventure. They should try it.
I could see Greater Heal being an actual card. They have been playing with hand sizes again recently...
the worldflipper's art is exactly the same as the duel warrior hero power magnetic mines
i think the gnomenapper would work if it did your opponents version on the start of their turn so the could would read...
*Battlecry: Discover* a minion. at the start of their turn, your opponent guesses your choice. when successful they receive it as well.
that may be a little wordy and im sure there is a way to trim it down but i think that it would add some skill to the card because if you play the minion you discovered the turn you discovered it, it would tell which minion you chose and be able to get a copy as well or your opponent can guess naturally. because a 5 mana 5/5 discover a minion for your opponent is pretty trash, i think it would be fair to reduce its cost to 4 mana and lower the attack to make it a 4/5.
over statted (at the time) with a slight downside would actually make this card very interesting to have in hearthstone
The remove version Penance is Bash 3 mana deal 3 damage but gain 3 armor instead restore health
Hi Solem, I notice two things in the video:
1. The expansions that got most of the card changes are rated low in popularity.
2. Only cards from the past 3 years and cards from the early alpha were removed, meaning there was a period in time where blizzard just really didn't like the developers. Guess who left after witchwood? Ben Brode. No surprises there...
It would be cool if they went back to the concept of murder on the gilnean express
The removed cards were tamer than I thought they be
The ghostly effect would remove the card from your hand at the end of your turn if you didn’t play it. It was NOT echo
I don't even play Hearthstone anymore. I just like the quality and content of this channel.
3:14 this dwarves hands are bigger than his head and im pretty sure his arms are longer than his entire body
Now that I know what Millhouse used to do... well... I guess I’m sad as well as relieved. More sad then relieved
I think Ghostly might've been more interesting than Echo. It's a 1 mana 2/2 Neutral, that's too powerful for Witchwood's time. My guess is that Ghostly was going to be some sort of minor downside.
Could be that it was just 1 mana for ease of testing the Echo mechanic, though. But that does imply that they take 'measures' to test 'things'. Hmm.
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Not trying to plug his channel, but Justin guitar has the best online free teaching.
Has a full beginners course set of videoes, with books you can also buy too work along with (or just use the website for the same experience). Without sounding like an ad, he makes learning guitar fun. From his *bad* singing to general fun attitude.
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I like how you forget the card names and just made up names for them
Didn't they release a few videos on their channel where they went over a decent percentage of these cards? I think there even was a similar video about Kobolds and Catacombs and those cards weren't even shown here.
UPD: Yes, there were a few cards that didn't make it in the official video about spellstones.
"Kids like [...] wood" - Solem 2021
They should make a Tavern Brawl where you can use the removed cards like the Auto-Pecker.
They should do more crazy stuff with game modes like Tavern Brawl in general, because why not? So many Tavern Brawls are so boring. Would be nice if they just went off the rails with it.
13:35
It's Slayer's Crest
Don't know why they removed mana spring totem. With knife jugglers and brewmasters, an ideal example of a combo that blizzard calls "fun and interactive" would arise...
they removed fade because of not having minons for priest, but kept in Purify.
Skeleton knight with a helmet looks better than original rendition
Comparing adrenaline rush with secret passage isn't the same thing. Drawing and replacing is kinda different. 1 Mana draw or combo draw 2 is pretty decent
that Investigate sounded like a really cool idea. kinda like 1st Cthun, building up to something b i g
You're opponents turn is you're turn *orcust ptsd intensfies*
Saying the rush-card doesnt look like a hearthstone-card is kind of strange. it fits 100% fine with older cards, the wow-tcg which this game uses many if not all artworks until a certain point had many different art-styles, warcraft in general had many different art-styles. I would rather say new hearthstone is the bad one here and doesnt fit. Blizzard simply does "Pixar" now and it pisses me off. Pixar is not what i should be thinking if i see any warcraft content. But hey, thats modern blizz now. Fukkem.
Daphouckque in the Nine Hells that was any panther if that was a WOLF?
Cheers for the shout out of the terrible mobile connection, plagues me everyday
DarkspearHunter reminds me of Addled Grizzly
No mension of the old unleash the hounds?
That ghost looks like a spirit token from Magic
“Kids like witches and they like wood”
Can someone tell me how I can get whizbang?
wasn't there also some kind of succubus like 4 yrs ago?
1:50 please stop calling Secret passage 1 Mana Draw 4 in comparisons, its Not. Its a very strong Card in Aggro Decks but its Not at all 1 Mana Draw 4. Its Not "pretty Bad" its a half-costed swindle(2 Mana Draw a spell, Combo: and a Minion) and pretty strong.
Do you still play Yugioh and if yes, can you make videos about it? And which deck do you play?
Starts at 1:09
Some of these would've made a really fun mill priest.
ghostly was gonna be if you don't play the card turn you draw it, discard it, they scrapped the keyword and replaced it with echo
It never hit me how batshit hearthstone card design is until I realized 1 mana draw 2 is just eh
I mean adrenaline rush would probably incredibly limit design space for rogue to prevent solitaire. Like it's swindle but 1 mana and at launch. It was probably a little too similar to literally just being pot of greed for the balance teams tastes at the time. A lot of the others are just really niche or really overpowered especially for base hearthstone. Although it really puts into perspective how dumb secret passage was. Like did they have nobody playing rogue in QA or something? Theres no way 1 mana draw 5 should have gotten through. Also I find it really funny how they're still too scared to print puddlejumper as evidenced by scargill. Devouring ooze and autopecker are victims of the it's a digital caard game mentality where yes these are effects you could make work in hearthstone but who would ever play them?
Lol came back after about 8 years and I had like no cards available in my deck 😂
There are also changes they made to make cards "consumer friendly". Yes, including "behold the glory of a new sun!"
Also, you are dead to me for watching SAO. Watch Fate/Stay Night. The OG anime.
Lol the mouse over card would mess me up!
“Kids like wood” -Solem 2021