He's right. Actors and Actresses baiting and bullying the audience, in this case ardent Tolkien fans and admirers of Jackson's Masterpiece or a Masterpiece. To the professional pretenders and their studio handlers, if a fan of both or one of the works above objects or criticizes the reproduction, the fan base are dismissed and called 'Trolls" for failure to pander.
Fans do not bully artist, artist attack fans, then Fans attack back. Constantly being called "Racist" and "Homophobe" for pointing out badly written token stories and that saying things like "If we don't have black people in it black people won't be able to relate" asif black people are incapable of showing empathy with anyone other than blacks, isn't fans bullying. That's fan being decent human beings and hollywood writters and actors acting like subhuman garbage and than claiming their attacked. Give me 1 direct good example otherwise of a fan out of no where attacking a actor or movie, I dare you.
I think it also shows just how awful a lot of celebrities are, though. Tons of TH-camrs expose their lives just as much yet they aren't hated. Hollywood IS full of a lot of scumbags who got there by cheating or manipulating. This just pulls away that curtain.
@@destinyhntr When Chris said that I was reminded of a joke I heard somewhere I can’t remember. But the joke goes “I hate when sports players give their opinions on things. If I wanted the advice of someone who spent their life chasing a ball I’d ask my dog.” It’s mean but also fairly accurate.
It's like thinking you know everything about your wife (well she's your wife after all ;) but then being 'unable' to see fresh and clear through her for anything new about her that you didn't previously know, it's like taking away the opportunity of being (hopefully agreeably) surprise, and letting petty details stop you from enjoying the show (although, all is in measure, some truths are rather sad to ignore for the sake of enjoying a show, but still, even though we may understand them, we might still not want to approve of them..)
So true, I took a 3 month break from social media. TH-cam and reddit, don't use anything else, and man...I was just so much happier. I even stopped scrolling the news and just bought legit newspapers instead daily. Living like I was back in the 1990's was such a sweet heaven until I had to go back to work and be back online.
EXACTLY, I don't use Instagram or Facebook now, as well as watching less twitch streams and TH-cam. The main take away was that my mind was less cluttered and free.
Ever since I left Facebook, my life improved greatly. Never ever had a need for Twitter. However, TH-cam is such an important part of my entertainment and education, I can't imagine living without it. I just have to deal with reading occasional vitriol in comments sections.
In my personal opinion it often comes down to: as soon as you see that the celebrity has a pretty strange view on life - that makes it odd. Alot of them simply don't seem to be very bright, informed, but still put out their thoughts without really going into research. It feels like alot of them have a world view that is disconnected from reality propably because they are... as the top % in terms of money, you aren't close to the "normal, every day" person anymore.
"I think we're going to find out that social media is worse for us than smoking and in some cases, it's like holding a loaded weapon." Insightful. Well said. I like this guy!
You can't act, shoot, edit, or post what's not in the script. The people who green-light productions cannot read a basic script. They have no clue. They only know what stimulates their own personal interests. I had a client push back on what radio station we were proposing to advertise his business on "the girls in the office don't listen to those stations." We pulled out of the advertising because we don't campaigns that are destine to fail just to make a buck today and tarnish our reputation tomorrow. He did not understand that we made commercials targeted to the people most likely to purchase his services and become repeat business/regular clients. I'm telling you this story because the people with the power to purchase and control budgets are rarely the best people to control content and medium.
Hes white And male Weve had too much of their dominance thankyou very much. Hitchcock, Kubrick, Scorsese, Coppola, Lynch, Spielberg, Stone, Scott, Cameron, Tarintino, Anderson, Darabont, Jackson... Step aside its gonna get 'Wilde' from now on.
@@armondtanz I remember laughing my ass off, reading a total put-down of Martin Scorcese, by Andrea Subisatti, (diversity hire) EIC, of Rue Morgue magazine. It was FULL of the “old white guys” argument, that is a complete joke. These people are the REASON Hollywood existed at all. Of course, she attempted to back-pedal BIG TIME, when she was (rightfully) called out. By then, the damage was done. It was the proverbial straw for me, as I never bought another issue.
It’s EXTREMELY rare that I gain respect for any actor/actress after learning about their political views or personal lives. It’s happened maybe only once or twice in my lifetime. For this reason I tend to try to avoid learning too much about the actors/actresses who play characters I love. The same applies to musicians.
They're human, and in a profession like acting they are left bursting at the seams to express their personal lives outside of acting. Activism gives them that outlet. You would feel the same in their shoes. It's the stars that can control that urge that remain legends.
Agreed. Even if I know their political/social leanings I can overlook it depending on what it is. We can agree to disagree, and keep your personal life to yourself. More importantly, shut the f’ck up and do your job: entertain me. That’s it.
@@eyeofbast It's because humble and good people tend to have very humanistic and moderate views. Morons tend to have extremely radical and unrealistic viewpoints, which most people find annoying..
@@danieljames6503 Musicians who write about social issues almost always come off as hypocrites. My favorite is Roger Waters, who goes on and on about inequality. At one of his tours a while back, tickets to his show started at around $150. (His current stadium tour, the biggest tickets are $5,490.) Rock stars, by definition, are narcissists. That's okay. I just don't want them lecturing me about how to be an unselfish person while they have a person who hands them a towel when they get off of stage, and a rider that's dozens of pages long about what kind of mix of fruit they need to have in their green room.
Film Courage really lives up to its name in letting all of these different voices associated with Hollywood be heard on the channel. It's a refreshing reprieve from an industry where people are so scared to even say the truth if it doesn't tow the line. Hollywood should take note, this channel is a great example of showcasing the actual value of diversity - unique voices, thoughts, and opinions.
Tow the line, wow, this computer is stupid because it should be toe the line, I said that to this computer I didn't type these words in. I was about to say You misspelled that but maybe it was the computer.
@@mrbouncelol I do not think it is a stretch. I think the real world damage that social media causes will eventually be relevantly quantified and we will have found to have caused far more real world damage than anything before it.
We already have. Facbook did some study a few years ago and found that Instagram hurts people mentally. They just decided they didn't care about the results. We already know it's bad for you. Now the culture needs to move away from it like they're trying to move away from smoking.
@@mrbouncelol Not a stretch at all. Smoking may kill you and someone near you by second hand smoke, I give you that. Social Media literally got a group of people to fucking try to take over the capitol, have people rally in organized hate groups and made shit like Brexit, that destroyed so many lives, happen. Social Media is pure fucking cancer to the planet, smoking is only cancerous to a small segment of people around you.
I just had a conversation the other day where I was telling my friend that I miss the days when you didn’t know anything about actors and other superstars. I don’t want to know about their personal life, I want to enjoy their craft. When I came up you liked actors for their acting and comedians for being funny or musicians for their music etc. Nowadays, people will like or dislike performers for a cult of personality regardless of talent. Anything that pulls me out of the medium I’m trying to enjoy… I’ll pass
Same goes for politics. People vote for who they like, based usually on superficial issues, or they vote strictly on their party, rather than who does the job best.
That's a double edge sword though. Putting average people on pedestal, not having them accountable for anything... that's how Weinstein and his spider web could afford to operate all those years. The past was bad, but the present is no better. I wish people just start treat celebrities like ordinary people. They are not gods.
Amazon also owns IMDB and they were deleting my reviews for new releases. I ended up deleting my IMDB after 22 years because I had gone back to edit old reviews. I verified that my reviews existed because IMDB would send me an email showing the post had been approved. No profanity. No threats. No racist or other anti social comments in my reviews. It was a pure example of Amazon controlling reviews to boost the initial release of a movie.
@@Madbandit77 well yeah ppl weaponizing these reviews to try to fuck with the films performance. It's one thing to leave a harmless review but going out of you're way to unsure and root for this movie to fail is crossing the line. At that point, it's not harmless opinions, it's a hate campaign designed to cause the film to flop.
@@commiehunter733Kaepernick literally lost his position on the NFL for free speech. You know nothing about losing free speech. It's not free speech when you losers do it because it turns into harassment where every black star besides sam Jackson or billy Dee williams has had to leave Twitter because ppl keep telling them go back to Bel air. That's not freedom of speech. And then you try to silent the celebs freedom by crying that they're this Hollywood elite virtue signaling. Enough is enough, cut that shit out. Makes white males look like whiny bitches.
Staying off social media and remaining more private is something that sets Denzel Washington apart from most of his colleagues. He's one of the last of the old school Hollywood movie stars in that respect.
Nah, there's plenty of actors like that. Adam Driver, Christian Bale, Joaquin Phoenix, Cate Blanchett, Ethan Hawke, Uma Thurman, etc. I could go on. We just focus too much on the loudmouths and the negatives they boast about.
I quit Facebook a few years ago because of what this man said. I noticed at work that people were treating me nervously, so I went to my boss to ask about it. She told me that someone looked me up on FB and seeing pictures of me practicing Japanese Karate with a black belt I was all of a sudden a safety risk at work. And me being a man didn’t help. I was treated like some sort of psychopath after that. I had to ask her to help me get transferred to another building and I canceled my FB account.
Although I know some dirtbag Martial Artists, most are really good people just trying to better themselves in a sport they never thought they'd be able to do. The only people who tried to make me feel bad for doing Taekwondo in my 30s were people that had already harmed me, had planned to harm me, or were mad they couldn't harm me. They also couldn't accuse me of being violent without my witnesses: fellow students. My fellow students were witnesses to my nature. I loved learning techniques. Being punched wasn't my favorite part but that was part of the gig. It's good you were able to move buildings. Your coworkers are naive manipulative dirtbags
I think it's great that social media has allowed everyone to see just how ridiculously awful many celebrities are in real life. Society has idolized these people for too long, placing far too much value on their opinions and their productions.
The mistake is that we spent all this time thinking they were *important*. They are popular, which is a completely different thing. Trashmen, farmers and truck drivers are important, actors are only popular and popular, fickle things are very often awful.
Not we, its the media and those cringe social media youths nowadays. Ppl with a brain Always knew that 😂 also 99% of movies, series whatever is copycat anyway.
The two ideas that really stood out for me in this brilliant piece of YT-content are: - Social media is worse to us than smoking - filmmakers change a movie based on the opinion of some random, loud screaming people on the internet (that's what a mob is) that might not even be among those, who actually pay to see the work What I don't get is the disclaimer in the end. It makes you look a bit like you were afraid of that very Twitter mob he's talking about... :( edit: Listening to fans is a different thing entirely. For example the change of the design for sonic in his movie.
Like he stated, "I think being beholden to the Twitter mob is just the worst thing someone's who's creative can do". It's pretty easy for someone to just snip parts of this video and post it on twitter to change the narrative and make false context out of. That kind of thing is rampant on Twitter and is likely an aspect as to why he doesn't want to deal with the many mobs on Twitter.
There are exceptions, like the Sonic Movie, but listening to most Twitter denizens is generally a bad idea. Perhaps the best rule of thumb is simply to float an idea on Twitter, and if they like it, do the opposite.
@@freman007 The easy litmus test to see if the online criticism is worth listening to is to ask "Who is driving this? And what do they want?" In the case of the people asking if Sonic can be made to look more like classic Sonic you can clearly and decisively answer both of those questions: It's classic fans of the IP asking, and their intention is to make the product more marketable by bringing it more in line with the original Sonic design, appealing to older fans who have a great deal of nostalgia for classic Sonic. But let's take an example where it isn't worth listening to, in the case of the new Scooby Doo which intends to redesign Velma as a lesbian, who was asking for that? It was the journo's, blue checkmarks who represent a small fraction of the population and an even smaller portion of the viewer base, it certainly wasn't the children who watch Scooby Doo. And what do they want? They want to create a firestorm with a controversial change which will divide the watchers into two groups, and then set them against each other. That isn't going to help market the product at all, quite the opposite.
@@roddymurray nah, but it's certainly used for everything by the left. They can't deal with a conversation and you'll be branded a racist, nazi, bigot, fascist...
Really love the videos with Chris Gore. He is very wise, and fair when it comes to the good, bad and ugly, where Hollywood is concerned. I would watch Film Courage even more if it was all Chris Gore.
I think the biggest issue with knowing so much about our celebrities is it makes it harder to believe a character they are playing because we know too much about them. When we knew so little it is easier to believe the acting, thats the point of acting, to convince the audience that u are what ur pretending to be, but if we know too much about u, it makes it hard to suspend enough believe to get into the character they are playing… dont know if that made sense but thats my 2centa
“There’s a big audience that kind have moved away from his work because of how he has presented himself on social media” That and Masters of the Universe Chris, that and Masters of the Universe
I wrote an honest review with three stars and Amazon withheld it, so that review turned into an even lengthier and more carefully written review of two stars and somehow I broke their guidelines.. so, I tried to write a short one sentence review. One star of course and they stopped emailing me about the status of my review attempts. Pretty much hit the nail on the head here, for I just write my opinions about the show everywhere else. They can't control word of mouth and I tell everyone I meet that brings up the show about how the show deserves not a single star on principal over Amazon's behavior alone.
Indeed, part of the problem with modern Hollywood and companies in general is when they think an extremely vocal minority on social media represents the majority of _paying_ customers, then cater to that minority at the expense of everyone else and wonder perplexed how they're mysteriously losing money.
Its not only that but that people working in Hollywood including lots of actors have similar mindsets. Listen to Olivia Wilde f.e. or Disney boss. No one is living more in a bubble than the people in Hollywood
Perfect example of this is the recent "Bros" movie about a gay couple, they are blaming straight people for being bigoted for not paying to see a movie about a minority group. Business is about appealing to the largest common denominator, not various niche groups.
@@bluehydrangea5506 I remember she criticized Spielberg for not directing a movie about a woman who was a main character. When he did, "The Color Purple". But if he didn't would take away from all his accomplishments? Nope.
This is a trailing component of the MeToo and LGBTQRSTUV+ movement that focuses on corporate image and social views + clicks to generate interest and income. This is an interesting take and it is very valuable. Wish Hollywood would wake up....
I see Chris Gore in the title I click. Always equally interesting and entertaining. And as sad as the topics may get, he always is somehow upbeat. Thanks for making these interviews!
Chris has kept it real for decades now. That’s a big reason why people have so much respect for him. Like you guys, I see a Chris Gore vid pop up that’s an auto-click.
It's kind of embarrassing but you know that thing where you see a name and you don't know where you see it so you're not sure if you like them or dislike them? For some reason I always keep thinking Chris Gore is going to be a fucking sjw and every time I'm pleasantly surprised that he's not LOL I don't know why that's what I've got stuck in my head about him
As of the past year, the only good movies I've seen were Everything Everywhere All At Once, RRR, and Top Gun Maverick. That's it. Total embarassment for Hollywood.
They are not alienating people with average movies, oh no; the alienation process starts even before. Aggressive pandering towards small vocal minority, blaming audience for failure, claiming they are racist/sexist even before the ending of the box office period... It's not just bad movies, it's bad marketing, bad PR and hateful arrogant attitude towards majority of the audience.
House of the dragon is pretty dope. Other than that Top Gun Maverick is just about all I can think of. The rest has been hot garbage that is just review pandering nonsense.
The Jack Ryan series, Reacher, and Terminal List are all examples of Amazon's ability to do adaptations that hardcore fans of the source material could live with, if not enjoy just as casual viewers have done. There in lies the rub with rings of power. When you have source material that gives you endless amounts of detailed lore and character profiles AND you do what they're doing, that shows that the show runners and EPs have real disdain for true Tolkien fans.
They don't actually own the rights to The Silmarillion. That's the main reason I passed. After GOT seasons 7 and 8 I feel as if I learned my lesson. If you aren't being true to source material you will often muddy the waters with your own agenda driven fan fiction that is far from the imagination of the original author.
The thing is, it's not solely amazon. In some projects all they do is bankroll, like the rings of power and creative freedom is given to the showrunners
Amazon has great dramas and thrillers but they cannot seem to get it right when it comes to fantasy lol. It's like by simply buying the rights to an IP, they think they've bought a compliant fanbase eager to consume anything with the IP's name on it. Then they're confused why fans are upset when the adaption feels nothing like the IP the fanbase knows, loves, and understands. "What? This has all the character names and places of the IP, and we spent lots of money on special effects, hmm all this criticism must be unfounded racism, sexism, or nerds who want a 1:1 carbon copy! Instead of figuring out where we went wrong, let's instead censor reviews and call out the fans for being bad fans and bad people, too!"
The Critical Drinker pointed something out in one of his recent videos. What a lot of studios, and even actors, are doing now is fan-bating. They go out of their way it seems to provoke a negative response from the audience just for the publicity of it. Also, it's always it nice to see Chris in these videos. As usual he nails it.
This became a thing because Amazon intentionally alienated their LOTRs fan base and continued to double down on this. It seemed at every turn they shat on the built in fan base they had so they have to own this. That along with the fact they do have writing issues, acting issues, and production issues within the show itself.
and that is so weird, because all those easter eggs they throw in this show are only recognizable by the same fan base, they are antagonising with every other thing they do lorewise... let alone all the other problems you listed...
It's a peculiar choice, isn't it? Why even invest in an IP with a built-in fan base and then drive away those fans? Could have just started with new IP...
@@Briznor yes. They could have done original story and original characters and then have the legacy characters be on the periphery or save the day at the last minute. Imagine Guy-ladriel not being the focus but appearing in all her magical glory to save them all in Helms cheap. That would have been awesome. Well as awesome as Amazon could do it anyway.
The same way that he talks about actors being cheapened is what happened with the BA characters in LOTR. These people were legendary bad asses in lore. But the writing has been so horrible I wouldn't trust anyone of the writers with extending an episode of Rick and Morty much less LOTR. So now if I watch I see a childish Galadriel that may as well be evil and everyone else in her scene is just incompetent. This show was written for 5 year olds I guess.
I was recently talking to some friends about how I'm certain when our kids (currently babies or toddlers) are older, we will have regulated social media way more than now, because it's so obvious by now how horrible it is for us, and for society. So I totally agree with Chris' sentiment that social media is worse than smoking, and smoking was a huge normalized part of life not so long ago, and now it isn't as much. Governments everywhere need to step up about this
Basically you want the government to limit free speech on privately owned websites. This will not stop the toxic WOKE lynch mob getting a kick out of cancelling people. White supremacist will always find a way to be racist.
I'm part of that former Kevin Smith audience. I really try and separate the art from the artist, but when it comes to giving them money, I draw the line
Oh definitely. However, in the case of Kevin Smith, I’d say it’s a combination of realizing I don’t like him as a person colliding with a significant downturn in the quality of his output.
@@joQing.7384 I think that is an issue with alot of actors or directors, creators or however you want to call them. As soon as they start to fall to far into what is mostly called "woke thinking", the product often suffers. For some reason alot of them can't keep their agenda out of the work.
Exactly, at some point - one needs to come to the realisations that you get what you "support". Being hopeful for "change" is nothing more then just... gambling. You're just relying on luck and the naïve perception that those who want to make money are in it for the "art", and that it just "one bad streak" for every (progressively) crappy products they produce.
4:54 is absolutely spot-on. You would think more actors would understand the value of not creating strong associations with their own selves in the mind of their audience. Or potential audience, given how many of them seem determined to alienate a huge chunk of the public by being unnecessarily obnoxious on social media. Nobody wants to see Santa Claus take off his beard to eat lunch in the mall food court. Twitter simply reveals just shows how many actors are slaves to their narcissism.
Yeah, I don't want to know too much about actors. I don't even have social media, and I try to stay off the most gossipy and click-baity TH-cam videos, but I'm still exposed to way too much of actors' lives. I still enjoy going to cons and getting a photo or an autograph, that a nice memento and an experience to get to see an actor you like in real life, but I never attend the Q&A sessions or ask any questions at the table. I just want to see this person, shake their hand, thank them for a movie of show that ment a lot to me and then be off. I don't want to know anything about their lives.
They are human beings not your little toys. Let them live their own lives. If they want to be public and inter act and even make fools of themselves let them. People act like they are so special because they don't want to know about actors personal lives but if they do find out they want to judge them and their art for what they learn. How about famous people can have political opinions or be weird or support a different candidate than you and we can be mature enough not to let it affect us.
@@stevenygabbyperez695Dude, no one is claiming they're 'special', so stop projecting. We're simply pointing out that someone whose livelihood depends on the audience being able to suspend their disbelief when they're portraying a character on screen isnt well-served by using their celebrity to make personal statements. Especially when those statements are often extremely polarizing and antagonistic to a large segment of the population. If my neighbor stands on his porch yelling obnoxious crap into the street, then guess what? I'm going to conclude he's a jackass, and I'm going to want nothing to do with him as a result. Same concept. That's not even remotely akin to seeing them as 'toys' or stopping them from 'living their own lives'. THEY are the ones using their fame to stand on a soapbox. If they don't want some of their potential audience to shun them as a result, then maybe they should consider toning down the sanctimony.
I saw paddington 2 when i worked at a theater as a joke. I was really surprised by how much I enjoyed it. Sometimes walking into something blind and just evaluating what it reveals itself to be is the best course of action for subjective opinions. If you already have an idea of another persons subjective take, you’ll be weighing the source material against their opinion instead of merely measuring its weight. We all have our own scales.
Man, I went into the first Paddington not expecting much. I left the theater in love with the world and characters and felt so happy and fulfilled. Same with the sequel. We need more optimistic and endearing films like that.
thats how I appraoch all media. idc if there's a universe or a source material or if it's canon or not. I go in expecting to see a story that looks interesting. if it is or isn't that's to decide at the end of the movie.
Some people just understand how to put their thoughts into words and it really is an art form! He has a wonderful way of explaining things that make you not only want to listen but receive it well! Great interview
@@volkhen0 That’s a different argument than what I’m responding to, but I see your point. They’re so awful they only managed an 85% on Rotten Tomatoes.
His comments about social media being one day considered more unhealthy than smoking is so spot on. I limit myself to a few youtube comments and an extremely skimpy facebook friends list and I can still feel the negativity on my life. I can’t imagine what Twitter users go through.
As a gay man I really appreciate what he said about gay characters these days. It's as though it's just inserted into stories to fill an agenda. I personally don't care about the sexuality of a character. It only really needs to be discussed when its relevant to the story.
It's just modern tokenism, my dude. Bunch of checkboxes to be checked, and the more the better. It's like they don't realize for a second that you can relate to movie/tv/etc characters for.. you know.. their *character* instead of innate attributes like sexuality or skin colour :S
If you want a real story about gay men then watch Spartacus, the gays aren't weak little wimps they have broad stories and skills etc. This leftist democrat shit is ruining the greatness of minorities in every single way.
Captain Jack Harkness was gay but that was a single dimension of a multidimensional (and fun) character and everyone loved him. Not just a token single-dimensional gay character. And if you weren’t a fan of the character no one would scream in your face that you hate gays
@@thisisfyne Yes its very strange. Most of my favourite characters I wouldn't even know their sexuality. Watching live action beauty and the beast and having Lefou dancing with an effeminate man doesn't make me feel 'represented', it just has me scratching my head when it served no purpose. I wish studios would stop using minorities to score points with the social political climate and just focus on creating well written characters.
@@shadysorkin9214 Can you create a gay character without pushing an agenda though? If you create a character, it's pretty much by default assumed they are straight because that is the normal state of human beings. The overwhelming majority of people are straight. So in order to create a gay character, you have to actively add that in as a detail about that character and do we really trust any writers today, to do that without pushing an agenda? I really don't know if you can create an alphabet character without there being some reason besides it being just a random detail the writer came up with. Even if it's done with subtlety like Sulu in Star Trek Beyond.
There is no mystique to Hollywood anymore. It used to be fun to watch the Oscars, see all the stars and the outfits and the humor. We live in an unromantic age. Even in our day to day lives, just nothing romantic, nothing of the spiritual, enigmatic, magical. Social media merely lets the worst of us be shown. I really enjoy Mr. Gore's videos. I don't go to the movies anymore because I feel like I'm disrespecting my own thinking.
@@JH-zs3bs wasn't specifically talking about rop just media in general. Amazingly rop has its defenders which i have no idea how such a thing is possible lol
Chris knows his stuff. I can completely respect his viewpoint. I mean if Twitter stopped working tomorrow would anyone actually miss it? Honestly? I certainly wouldn't. It's more of a dive than Mos Eisley in my opinion.
He is wonderful. The way he carefully phrases everything and doesn't hurt on purpose. I am glad that Clerks 3 is this good but yeah I am one of those people who nowadays avoids anything involving Kevin Smith and he is right. Most of his wounds are self-inflicted and unnecessary. Regarding Rings of Bollocks...it is a textbook example of everything that is currently wrong with Hollywood.
If Amazon were just honest and said "Look, we accept that Tolkien envisaged Middle Earth as white European. But we believe everyone accepts that that's not something we can really portray in 2022, as BAME deserve to be involved in such a massive project, too." Instead if "Look, peasants, just because you've re-read these books dozens of times over decades doesn't mean you understand it. Our $1 billion means we can do whatever we want, and it can only be racism that stops you enjoying it!"
@@KiltBill2 which is absolutely dishonest too. Just because it's "current year", doesn't mean you can shit on already existing IPs to push a narrative that panders to the current trending group think.
Same. The bait and switch he did with Heeman and Teela and the way he attacked fans to defend that bullshit was it for me. If you want to make a show focused on Teela ... fine the the has other characters you can focus on. But don't bill it as a Heman show and then start it with him being presumed dead and insulted. If you're work is really so "brave" and "progressive" then you shouldn't need to be ashamed about it and hide it. All else aside it was the lies that earned the most backlash regarding the He man show. It wasn't mysogany or anything like that. Despite what Hollywood wants to think we don't hate strong women, we just want strong characters that happen to be women ... not women written to be strong because they are women, women who are basically written like men (because the writer apparently can't think of any femanin traits that they think can be strong), and especially not women that need to put men down to appear strong in comparison. Kim Possible was of my favorite Disney Channels shows and she was a girly girl that kicked ass! But despite having good examples of how to write a good female protagonist Hollywood keeps failing at it anyway.
and they canonized velma gay and it didnt bothered me its just both warnerbros and normal people are attacking each other there both toxic i really liked the animation its so smooth and nice and i avoid twitter and the toxic negativity
He's right about the influencer thing. A producer I know sent me a pitch deck for a movie he was trying to raise money for. In the pitch deck were the bios of the four actors he wanted as options for the female lead. Their bios included how many Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram followers they each had. He said that is something every investor asks about nowadays.
Did you think Chris Pratt is Mario because they had creative differences with the regular voice actor? He's in the movie because my mom knows who Chris Pratt is.
I think we need to come up with a different word than "bullying" for people trading mean Tweets. Both sides of the conversation are *opt-in*. You didn't have to show up Twitter, you don't have to read your feed, you don't have to reply when you see something you don't like, and you don't have to read the responses. Best of all, Twitter boasts a fully-functional 'block' function which prevents you from seeing anyone who annoys you (as does every other social media platform). When you're being bulled in real life, like at school, you can't just leave. You can't make the mean kids making fun of you cease to exist. So the dynamic is, in fact, completely different. My advice, if you can't abide people saying things you don't like, is to get off the Internet altogether, for your own mental health.
Here's a blueprint for actors/creators dealing with crytical fans: "Thank you so much for your attention and money! Being in my position is a huge privilege and, while I love my work, this privilege is fundamented in the audience. The fact that you care so much and emotionally about the film/show I'm involved in further proves your passion for the art. That is amazing and fuels my own drive! I might not always agree with your position and critic but want to thank you once more for you passion and support!"
Zachary Levi is one of the few actors I've found who lives up to that. He has mentioned numerous times how "the fans are the producers". If they don't pay for, consume, or want the product, actors have nothing. Zachary Levi seems to have incredible humility and perspective and I can't help but respect and love him for it. He constantly calls himself blessed for being in the position he's in.
This is a classic/default reply. Learning these few words and having courage to say them will definitely goes long way in the life. It shows the humbleness.
Training to be a good actor or writer and getting a contract because of it is not a "privilege", it's something you worked for and earned. Unless you literally got it by being the boss' nephew or something. Otherwise yes, being nice and thanking people a lot is of course always a good thing.
Chris is consistently on the money. There's a place and a necessity for the more emotional defenders of pop culture, but I like Chris's reasoned and measured take on things. He's always worth paying attention to.
Amazon, is engaging in cultural warfare for purposes of demoralization they took fantasy representation of celtic, gaelic, saxon culture and stole it for other people's usage. It is the worst type of cultural crime. And add to this, they trashed it because the product they made was for those ideological reasons not entertainment purposes. Their hires were all activists and ideologues absent passion and capability. What can we do? We can turn our back on their racist products . We give them the power. As far me and my family is concerned, none of hollywoods recent works exist. We are happy watching films made by OUR people for OUR people.
All the stuff Hollywood is putting out now is just another version of the Hays Code. As long as they run through their check lists and limit their films, true creativity will never shine. If they have any creativity left, that is.
Chris Gore is an absolute genius. These social media tools and the ridiculous directional power they wield will someday be viewed as historically toxic and negativity influential. I know there is a "star" element argument here and I completely agree. I also feel that I just don't care what a celebrity has to say about anything. We as a society should reduce them to performance and entertainment value. They are not qualified to provide us with any further consumption whether that is a political opinion, a cause they champion, or specifics about their private lives. Any penetration beyond the medium produced on either the fans side (i.e. tabloids) or performers side (i.e. Twitter) should be avoided.
The MCU taught Hollywood the wrong lesson. They think you don't have to understand the lore of an IP to do it justice, but the MCU had a solid foundation before it reached the point of losing track of the core of its appeal.
The MCU started off so simple but then became sooo complicated. Also, if it wasn’t for Iron Man 1 and The Dark Knight, we’d have more Batman and Robins as well
@@chasehedges6775 I get what you‘re going for, but to be fair, the MCU tries to be the on-screen version of a comic book universe… and it succeeds, including the inevitable bloating that comes with years of additional content and characters. It‘s not a phenomenon specific to nowadays Hollywood but to the very nature of non-limited comics.
@@durchhalter Not every Marvel comic was a banger. Most weren't. Most superhero comics failed historically, but we tend to remember only the storyline's that held up with the test of time. I'm not saying they should have a literal rehashing of those comics. Just cherry pick what about the material really got people excited about it in the first place. The appeal of Lord of the Rings should actually be easier to pinpoint than that. Oddly enough, the same thing happened to Playboy Magazine. They got rid of the nudes. I think they brought them back, but then they put a man on the cover. The people in charge of these legacy IPs really don't seem to be fans of them, so they harbor these bizarre fantasies of how they can change society through them, but it doesn't pan out.
@@FrancisGo. Well, you may not like it, which is everybody’s prerogative, but the MCU, with all its many flaws, seems to be doing a better job at creating a shared universe than the comics it‘s based upon. Almost 14 years at the top of the film industry is objectively „doing great“, even if, for some individuals and for some understandable reasons, it‘s subjectively bad from time to time. And a veritable hype will never be able to be upheld continuously, especially not directly after a climax. There’s bound to be a phase of calming down before there even is the chance to go up again… there are some biological parallels to be found here ;-) That being said, I too have no idea what Hollywood thought when they were doing The Rings of Power, especially after Peter Jackson already did the material so well about 20 years ago. Taking notes of what worked well, getting rid of the little flaws here and there, and then following the pattern with the newly adapted material should have been a no-brainer.
Many reviews on Amazon and elsewhere are fake. "I bought this for my husband, and he loves it. He had the other kinds before, but he says this one is so much better than the other guy's. Life is so much better now. Highly recommend it."
"Don't go see it, if you think it's something you wouldn't like" There's problems with saying that as well. Kelly Sue DeConnick literally said "if you don't like my politics, don't buy my book" and it tanked. Everyone basically said "ok" and didn't buy it. So, it might be best just to say "I made this, what do you think?" And let the trailer or blurb weed out people who won't like it.
But that again is connecting her person to the work. The spirit should be "We made the movie to the best of our ability, if you don't like it that's ok. There should be stuff out there that'll be more to your liking" imo
@@chrisgund88 tell her that. She looked at the camera and said "if you don't like my politics, don't buy my book" and then was surprised when sales went down. Do you know why manga is killing it in the comic book market? They tell a story. That's it. No preaching or virtue signalling, no characters for the sake of inclusion. The only comic I've ever read where they gender or race swapped a character, and it worked was Miles Morales. There might be others, but Miles Morales is the only one I've actually read, and Into The Spiderverse was awesome. th-cam.com/video/HrfnIsE8gak/w-d-xo.html
"Don't go see it if you think it's something you wouldn't like" That's another thing, there's a sense that, in some cases, it's almost mandatory to see a movie, otherwise you get branded with some kind of ism. No matter if it's a genre you don't like, or if you can't afford it, or what have you.
Rings of Power is not art, its an investment, which Amazon is now trying to protect. I remember watching the making of from the original LOTR trilogy, you could see and feel the passion from, not just Peter Jackson, but all the actors involved and how deeply they connected to Tolkien's work and their characters. Everything they put in those movies, even the smallest details were purposeful. Many of the production aspects were experimental, not just visual effects but the logistics of the whole enterprise which was massive. Nothing of this dimension has ever been attempted until then, and there was a lot of risk taking, including personal risks from the director as well as all the cast and crew. A lot was riding on this, but their passion kept the project going to a resounding success. Rings of Power is lifeless in comparison. There's no passion, no personal involvement from anyone in production, no attachment and respect to the original material, nothing. Its just another Tuesday at Amazon. Cash flow, quarterly ends, investor's calls. Money. No passion, no commitment, no risks, nothing, just a vacuous shiny shell.
It’s really disheartening to see what you love destroy itself! Edit: I just want to inform how on the first few hours this was upvoted 160+. Then few hours after that, I notice how it got down from 135, then just now it’s 121. It will not surprise me if by next day this will have less than one hundred upvotes. YT is really doing magic on their platform again.
It's not destroying itself, it's taking effort by a group of disrespectful people that are trying to re educate a society into some kind of hive mind group collective. And it's not working.
@@Seactor investors are probably not making the creative decisions but maybe I’m wrong. They want to see a good return on their investment and quality gets you that not this nonsense.
Society’s acceptance or lack of open rejection for people who could care less about society’s expectations..is the root cause of all! Once upon a time entertaining was for court jesters …who told the court jesters that they are king? Society did
i want to reframe the point you're making.. because the fun-loving, imaginative, creative side of me wants anybody to be able to take Tolkien's existing body of work, and riff on it in new and unexpected ways.. so long as it's respectfully done, and makes sense within the context of that universe, just simply adhere to the characterizations and rules established, and, in my mind, anyone can write anything and if society at large, especially Tolkien experts, agree that it's solid extension of his work, then I don't see why someone can't do that. it doesn't have to be declared canon, but can still be considered a legitimate story within TLOR lore.. but the Amazon show did not do that .. nope.. as is the trend with the radical ideologists today, they take existing IPs and defile them into propaganda pieces, attempts to brainwash the culture into thinking that their ideology has gone mainstream by appropriating pop culture icons and mutating them, often into unrecognizable evil clones, sometimes the complete opposite of the original characters ethical worldview and moral behaviors..
What a fantastic video. I remember watching Chris way back in the day (G4?) and liked him then but, there was maybe 10 years before I seen him again and I'd never have guessed he was this down to earth and reasonable as he is. I think the entire movie industry needs to watch this to get some again reasonable perspective. I really like Chris Gore even more now. These movie companies and the actors really need to take a step back and reevaluate themselves and quite letting all these out influences take them down
It’s completely counter productive censoring reviews, because the first thing it does to average viewers is make them assume most of the reviews are negative.
The Drinker said it recently as well. In the pre social media days the general public had much more respect and almost reverance for celebrities / movie stars. The moment we saw that many pretty faces are just stupid, flawed and unhinged readers of other peoples words we kind of lost interest in them.
8:05 describes me exactly, I'm sad to say. I've lost the ability to look past an artist's behaviour off screen. Chris is right, and perhaps he's a better man than I for being able to do it. But I just don't want to go to the extra effort any more. Life is too short for that, and there's plenty of content out there from artists who don't openly despise me.
@@maravertin There’s a legitimate point that a a terrible person can still make great art, which is what I think Chris was suggesting people focus on. And he’s right that we might miss out on something worthwhile if we boycott it because one of the creatives behind it is an a-hole. However, I tend to agree with you - it’s a holistic experience, and the creator is part of that. Since I have limited time to spend on enjoying films, books, video games, and I have to be selective about which I chose, why shouldn’t supporting creators who don’t despise me be part of that process?
Very contradictory saying that it’s bad when they don’t listen to the fan base but then goes off about Twitter warriors demanding a change and getting it.
"the less I know about a celebrity, the more I tend to like them". Thats true of almost every human. The quiet, non-interactive people you meet you generally have a positive view of. Its once you learn they are furries that things change.
I love most of what Chris says on these subjects, but for myself, if an actor bullies fans online I don't watch any more of that actor's work. You don't reward a child for bad behavior, and an adult should know better (and Kevin Smith is a great example). IMO. I guess that just makes Chris a better man than me...
I've really missed this format! It's more intimate and concise, and the lady always ask very interesting questions. I hope more are made in the future!
If anyone who cares to, _is_ being honest...We were not ready for social media. As I'd commented on a whole other video, this thing we call social media is in no way unlike being in a relationship--The goings are only as good as they are without it. You will never find me on any of that.
They were called *stars* for a reason. Bright, beautiful, unreachable, unknowable. People could project whatever good qualities they wanted. It's interesting the interviewer brought up Marilyn Monroe. She was an American icon. Still is. And she was the most digusting slob ever. She had trouble retaining maids because of how she lived. She would often leave her leftover food on the plate, but it in bed, and throw a sheet over it. People she brought home to sleep with had to ignore the smell of rotting food. "If you can't handle me at my worst you don't deserve me at my best" was such an iconic line that people really don't have the context for. Imagine if those maids had had twitter.
This was some fantastic commentary. I think social media has basically become the digital tabloids publications, those magazines we would shun in the grocery checkout lane because the cover claims were so far off in left field. I appreciate how, even though this is about the film and television industry, this directly correlates to many other areas of creative expression.
What's sad is that there will be no lesson in this. Amazon won't see a flop and go "We made a bad show. Our bad." It'll be "Oh, people clearly don't like lord of the rings anymore. Time to put the franchise on ice for a decade."
" Amazon never cared about the canon, anyway. And they simply didn't care or understand what Tolkien's creation MEANT to the fans. They just thought they could get away with slapping a Tolkien sticker onto their crackfiction and the fans would come running. Well, they did. Fully armed. " :D
@@yuliansuke1367 Amazon also Wheel of Time... well not ruined the original material, becasue nothing can... but they missed out on the great opportunities to show us entertaining adaptations of books, that build up a massive fan base on their own merits. Putting in modern real world agendas just is not what the writers did in the first place... they wrote fantasy... as per definition a world that is different in so many ways.
100% agree with Chris here, it's unbelievable the amount of celebrities I've gone off as recent as the past 4-5 years due to their behaviors and over inflated opinions on social media.
i work for a marketing agency and we sometimes get bad comments and negative reviews on client products and business models. Now to me logically it makes sense to look at those faults and find out why and use it to improve the brand stratagy and bring the feedback back to the client. However my supervisors and clients don't want negative reviews and comments so they block/delete/hide them and pretend it doesn't exist. It's a waste of time for them. It's a strategy i'm against but my opinions don't matter when it comes to these subject matters in the business.
@4:57 that's a really good point. If you're a celebrity, the best thing you can do is keep your mouth shut or use fake names. Anything you say will be used against you sooner or later.
Well, Amazon just gave me ONE more reason to not purchase their shows or movies. So, if that was their goal, it was a win. If the goal was to boost the abysmal ratings of the show, then they've failed...Because the news is already everywhere that people can't stand the show. Now, Amazon just made people even MORE upset and gave them one more reason to dislike the show.
On Actors Bullying Fans - Seeing Mark Hammill publicly shame Baron Trump on Twitter made me very mad. I imagined what it would have been like for me as a kid to be publicly and personally attacked for something someone else did, by fucking Luke Skywalker. . . it would have devastated me.
The craziest part of this amazing interview (as always) is finding out that there is a “Clerks 3.” I guess that shows how absolutely far Kevin Smith has fallen.
I grew up in a town with alot of celebrities years ago. We were pretty protective of their privacy unless they did something seriously outrageous. This seems to be a massive intrusion that then demands the star always be "on" and that way makes them crazy.
I saw a TH-cam rant about Clerks 3 that half way through the commenter said he hadn't seen the movie. All it was a video complaining about Kevin Smith on social media and how he changed. Uh yea Clerks was thirty years ago. Chris is right about separating the artist from the art. Clerks 3 was awesome and I cried at the end.
This is what happens when producers prioritize "The Message", over actually focusing on the fundamentals of good storytelling. Oh, and believable, LIKABLE characters help as well. Who are somewhat true to the source material..
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Will never ever see anything involving Kevin Smith. Fauk him
He's right. Actors and Actresses baiting and bullying the audience, in this case ardent Tolkien fans and admirers of Jackson's Masterpiece or a Masterpiece.
To the professional pretenders and their studio handlers, if a fan of both or one of the works above objects or criticizes the reproduction, the fan base are dismissed and called 'Trolls" for failure to pander.
Fans do not bully artist, artist attack fans, then Fans attack back. Constantly being called "Racist" and "Homophobe" for pointing out badly written token stories and that saying things like "If we don't have black people in it black people won't be able to relate" asif black people are incapable of showing empathy with anyone other than blacks, isn't fans bullying. That's fan being decent human beings and hollywood writters and actors acting like subhuman garbage and than claiming their attacked.
Give me 1 direct good example otherwise of a fan out of no where attacking a actor or movie, I dare you.
I hear you!
“The less I know about a celebrities personal life, the more I tend to like them.” Amen. This is true
The black dawrf princess in RoP isnt even that bad, but the actress is unbearable
It's just "never meet your heroes"
As Bill Maher once said, "I like Daniel Day Lewis so much because I don't know if he even _exists_ off screen."
I think it also shows just how awful a lot of celebrities are, though. Tons of TH-camrs expose their lives just as much yet they aren't hated. Hollywood IS full of a lot of scumbags who got there by cheating or manipulating. This just pulls away that curtain.
@@destinyhntr When Chris said that I was reminded of a joke I heard somewhere I can’t remember. But the joke goes “I hate when sports players give their opinions on things. If I wanted the advice of someone who spent their life chasing a ball I’d ask my dog.” It’s mean but also fairly accurate.
Chris is spot on here, 'the less I know about the personal life of a celebrity the more I like them' .....couldn't agree more.
So true when you think about how many times knowing more sour you on someone.
“Familiarity breeds contempt”
Viggo Mortensen anyone?
Absolute facts
It's like thinking you know everything about your wife (well she's your wife after all ;) but then being 'unable' to see fresh and clear through her for anything new about her that you didn't previously know, it's like taking away the opportunity of being (hopefully agreeably) surprise, and letting petty details stop you from enjoying the show (although, all is in measure, some truths are rather sad to ignore for the sake of enjoying a show, but still, even though we may understand them, we might still not want to approve of them..)
“The best thing you can do for your mental health is not be on social media.” Wow. True words there!!!
So true, I took a 3 month break from social media. TH-cam and reddit, don't use anything else, and man...I was just so much happier. I even stopped scrolling the news and just bought legit newspapers instead daily.
Living like I was back in the 1990's was such a sweet heaven until I had to go back to work and be back online.
Most definitely my brother
EXACTLY, I don't use Instagram or Facebook now, as well as watching less twitch streams and TH-cam. The main take away was that my mind was less cluttered and free.
Ever since I left Facebook, my life improved greatly. Never ever had a need for Twitter. However, TH-cam is such an important part of my entertainment and education, I can't imagine living without it. I just have to deal with reading occasional vitriol in comments sections.
Absolutely true!
"I don't really care about a celebrity's personal life and I think ignoring it will make you enjoy a movie much more." Well said! I agree completely!
In my personal opinion it often comes down to: as soon as you see that the celebrity has a pretty strange view on life - that makes it odd.
Alot of them simply don't seem to be very bright, informed, but still put out their thoughts without really going into research. It feels like alot of them have a world view that is disconnected from reality propably because they are... as the top % in terms of money, you aren't close to the "normal, every day" person anymore.
I miss the "old" celebrities. Sam Jackson, Harvey Keitel, Keanu, Michael Madsen, Kevin Smith, ...what happened to THOSE kind of guys? 💔
Absolutely. People criticizing and knowing more about TC than he knows himself 😂
Something to aim for in theory, but some people just have too much baggage.
remembered me those kevin spacey and amber herd scandals. Just let me watch a movie goddamit.
"I think we're going to find out that social media is worse for us than smoking and in some cases, it's like holding a loaded weapon." Insightful. Well said. I like this guy!
puhlease
@@protoguy , you're helping to sell their point for them. Very kind of you.
@@CroneLife1 tell your mom I said hi
@@protoguy , since she's been dead for about 12 years, that won't be possible. Nice of you to think of her, though.
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I wish Hollywood had more Chris Gore putting them in check
I think they used to have that. But then ESG and Bechdel testhappened.
Guys a treasure
You can't act, shoot, edit, or post what's not in the script. The people who green-light productions cannot read a basic script. They have no clue. They only know what stimulates their own personal interests. I had a client push back on what radio station we were proposing to advertise his business on "the girls in the office don't listen to those stations." We pulled out of the advertising because we don't campaigns that are destine to fail just to make a buck today and tarnish our reputation tomorrow. He did not understand that we made commercials targeted to the people most likely to purchase his services and become repeat business/regular clients.
I'm telling you this story because the people with the power to purchase and control budgets are rarely the best people to control content and medium.
Hes white
And male
Weve had too much of their dominance thankyou very much. Hitchcock,
Kubrick, Scorsese, Coppola, Lynch, Spielberg, Stone, Scott, Cameron, Tarintino, Anderson, Darabont, Jackson...
Step aside its gonna get 'Wilde' from now on.
@@armondtanz I remember laughing my ass off, reading a total put-down of Martin Scorcese, by Andrea Subisatti, (diversity hire) EIC, of Rue Morgue magazine. It was FULL of the “old white guys” argument, that is a complete joke. These people are the REASON Hollywood existed at all. Of course, she attempted to back-pedal BIG TIME, when she was (rightfully) called out. By then, the damage was done. It was the proverbial straw for me, as I never bought another issue.
It’s EXTREMELY rare that I gain respect for any actor/actress after learning about their political views or personal lives. It’s happened maybe only once or twice in my lifetime. For this reason I tend to try to avoid learning too much about the actors/actresses who play characters I love.
The same applies to musicians.
They're human, and in a profession like acting they are left bursting at the seams to express their personal lives outside of acting. Activism gives them that outlet. You would feel the same in their shoes. It's the stars that can control that urge that remain legends.
Agreed. Even if I know their political/social leanings I can overlook it depending on what it is. We can agree to disagree, and keep your personal life to yourself. More importantly, shut the f’ck up and do your job: entertain me. That’s it.
Musicians ??? So what do you think musicians/song writers write about then?
@@eyeofbast It's because humble and good people tend to have very humanistic and moderate views.
Morons tend to have extremely radical and unrealistic viewpoints, which most people find annoying..
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Musicians who write about social issues almost always come off as hypocrites.
My favorite is Roger Waters, who goes on and on about inequality. At one of his tours a while back, tickets to his show started at around $150. (His current stadium tour, the biggest tickets are $5,490.) Rock stars, by definition, are narcissists. That's okay. I just don't want them lecturing me about how to be an unselfish person while they have a person who hands them a towel when they get off of stage, and a rider that's dozens of pages long about what kind of mix of fruit they need to have in their green room.
Film Courage really lives up to its name in letting all of these different voices associated with Hollywood be heard on the channel. It's a refreshing reprieve from an industry where people are so scared to even say the truth if it doesn't tow the line. Hollywood should take note, this channel is a great example of showcasing the actual value of diversity - unique voices, thoughts, and opinions.
Yeah they should interveiw the critical drinker, he'd destroy the whole Business with his words.
Tow the line, wow, this computer is stupid because it should be toe the line, I said that to this computer I didn't type these words in. I was about to say You misspelled that but maybe it was the computer.
"Social media is worse for us than smoking."
I really wish more people would realize this.
Chris is absolutely on point (as always) with “we’ll _find_ out social media is more dangerous than smoking”
It's a bit of a stretch but a good point nonetheless, that social media is a force that needs to be taken seriously in the lives of those who use it.
@@mrbouncelol I do not think it is a stretch. I think the real world damage that social media causes will eventually be relevantly quantified and we will have found to have caused far more real world damage than anything before it.
We already have. Facbook did some study a few years ago and found that Instagram hurts people mentally. They just decided they didn't care about the results. We already know it's bad for you. Now the culture needs to move away from it like they're trying to move away from smoking.
Bullshit. Just so dumb and reactionary. This all has Tipper Gore vibes.
@@mrbouncelol Not a stretch at all. Smoking may kill you and someone near you by second hand smoke, I give you that. Social Media literally got a group of people to fucking try to take over the capitol, have people rally in organized hate groups and made shit like Brexit, that destroyed so many lives, happen.
Social Media is pure fucking cancer to the planet, smoking is only cancerous to a small segment of people around you.
I just had a conversation the other day where I was telling my friend that I miss the days when you didn’t know anything about actors and other superstars. I don’t want to know about their personal life, I want to enjoy their craft. When I came up you liked actors for their acting and comedians for being funny or musicians for their music etc. Nowadays, people will like or dislike performers for a cult of personality regardless of talent. Anything that pulls me out of the medium I’m trying to enjoy… I’ll pass
Just sad how things have changed
Same goes for politics. People vote for who they like, based usually on superficial issues, or they vote strictly on their party, rather than who does the job best.
That's a double edge sword though. Putting average people on pedestal, not having them accountable for anything... that's how Weinstein and his spider web could afford to operate all those years.
The past was bad, but the present is no better. I wish people just start treat celebrities like ordinary people. They are not gods.
@@theghostofmaximumvolume3414 politics are a popularity contest, always has been.
@@theghostofmaximumvolume3414 way to ruin a post
Amazon also owns IMDB and they were deleting my reviews for new releases. I ended up deleting my IMDB after 22 years because I had gone back to edit old reviews. I verified that my reviews existed because IMDB would send me an email showing the post had been approved. No profanity. No threats. No racist or other anti social comments in my reviews. It was a pure example of Amazon controlling reviews to boost the initial release of a movie.
You are adorable for reviewing things
They also shut down the IMDB message board after the whole Ghostbusters: Answer The Call snafu.
@@Madbandit77 well yeah ppl weaponizing these reviews to try to fuck with the films performance. It's one thing to leave a harmless review but going out of you're way to unsure and root for this movie to fail is crossing the line. At that point, it's not harmless opinions, it's a hate campaign designed to cause the film to flop.
@@mania4270 free speech is absolute.... if a movie is shit, then thats what it is.....
@@commiehunter733Kaepernick literally lost his position on the NFL for free speech. You know nothing about losing free speech. It's not free speech when you losers do it because it turns into harassment where every black star besides sam Jackson or billy Dee williams has had to leave Twitter because ppl keep telling them go back to Bel air. That's not freedom of speech. And then you try to silent the celebs freedom by crying that they're this Hollywood elite virtue signaling. Enough is enough, cut that shit out. Makes white males look like whiny bitches.
Staying off social media and remaining more private is something that sets Denzel Washington apart from most of his colleagues. He's one of the last of the old school Hollywood movie stars in that respect.
and Mr. Bean
It helps hes a very good actor, and how he conducts himself in public is rather respectable.
Viggo Mortensen
Christian Bale
Nah, there's plenty of actors like that. Adam Driver, Christian Bale, Joaquin Phoenix, Cate Blanchett, Ethan Hawke, Uma Thurman, etc. I could go on. We just focus too much on the loudmouths and the negatives they boast about.
I quit Facebook a few years ago because of what this man said.
I noticed at work that people were treating me nervously, so I went to my boss to ask about it. She told me that someone looked me up on FB and seeing pictures of me practicing Japanese Karate with a black belt I was all of a sudden a safety risk at work. And me being a man didn’t help.
I was treated like some sort of psychopath after that. I had to ask her to help me get transferred to another building and I canceled my FB account.
That’s just terrible. People really have no idea how to use their brains nowadays 😅
@@agasthya9128 Let the machine think for you! It knows what's best!(tm)
Just needed to narrow down your FB exposure to your closest friends and family.
@@tinderbox218 no staying away is the right choice^^ there is no need for it in the real world !
Although I know some dirtbag Martial Artists, most are really good people just trying to better themselves in a sport they never thought they'd be able to do. The only people who tried to make me feel bad for doing Taekwondo in my 30s were people that had already harmed me, had planned to harm me, or were mad they couldn't harm me.
They also couldn't accuse me of being violent without my witnesses: fellow students. My fellow students were witnesses to my nature. I loved learning techniques. Being punched wasn't my favorite part but that was part of the gig.
It's good you were able to move buildings.
Your coworkers are naive manipulative dirtbags
I think it's great that social media has allowed everyone to see just how ridiculously awful many celebrities are in real life. Society has idolized these people for too long, placing far too much value on their opinions and their productions.
The mistake is that we spent all this time thinking they were *important*. They are popular, which is a completely different thing. Trashmen, farmers and truck drivers are important, actors are only popular and popular, fickle things are very often awful.
That final line is absolute nonsense
Not we, its the media and those cringe social media youths nowadays. Ppl with a brain Always knew that 😂 also 99% of movies, series whatever is copycat anyway.
Correction. Social media allows you to see just how ridiculously awful many people are in real life.
Which is kinda depressing.
@@polyestermammoth740 right. Maybe they take influence from actors or sporting people's opinions. Speak for themselves.
The two ideas that really stood out for me in this brilliant piece of YT-content are:
- Social media is worse to us than smoking
- filmmakers change a movie based on the opinion of some random, loud screaming people on the internet (that's what a mob is) that might not even be among those, who actually pay to see the work
What I don't get is the disclaimer in the end. It makes you look a bit like you were afraid of that very Twitter mob he's talking about... :(
edit:
Listening to fans is a different thing entirely. For example the change of the design for sonic in his movie.
Like he stated, "I think being beholden to the Twitter mob is just the worst thing someone's who's creative can do".
It's pretty easy for someone to just snip parts of this video and post it on twitter to change the narrative and make false context out of. That kind of thing is rampant on Twitter and is likely an aspect as to why he doesn't want to deal with the many mobs on Twitter.
I think the final disclaimer is for stupid people. Twitter is full of stupid people. So... yeah, its for twitter but not in the way they think. 😀
There are exceptions, like the Sonic Movie, but listening to most Twitter denizens is generally a bad idea.
Perhaps the best rule of thumb is simply to float an idea on Twitter, and if they like it, do the opposite.
@@freman007 Exactly what I wrote as an edit of my OG comment, before you commented that
@@freman007 The easy litmus test to see if the online criticism is worth listening to is to ask "Who is driving this? And what do they want?" In the case of the people asking if Sonic can be made to look more like classic Sonic you can clearly and decisively answer both of those questions: It's classic fans of the IP asking, and their intention is to make the product more marketable by bringing it more in line with the original Sonic design, appealing to older fans who have a great deal of nostalgia for classic Sonic.
But let's take an example where it isn't worth listening to, in the case of the new Scooby Doo which intends to redesign Velma as a lesbian, who was asking for that? It was the journo's, blue checkmarks who represent a small fraction of the population and an even smaller portion of the viewer base, it certainly wasn't the children who watch Scooby Doo. And what do they want? They want to create a firestorm with a controversial change which will divide the watchers into two groups, and then set them against each other. That isn't going to help market the product at all, quite the opposite.
Chris Gore is a rare gem, he can criticize modern Hollywood without anyone ever possibly suggesting he's a "racist", he says what a lot of us think
And anyway the term racist itself is nonsensical. Using the word racist in the negative sense is just the demonization of European ethnocentrism.
being able to casually write that sentence, shows you how fuct up everything has become.
Anyone who has a problem with black actors playing characters in a fantasy story IS racist. This guy hasn't said anything racist like that.
@@roddymurray nah, but it's certainly used for everything by the left. They can't deal with a conversation and you'll be branded a racist, nazi, bigot, fascist...
@@toi_techno What a nice ball and chain you have.
Really love the videos with Chris Gore. He is very wise, and fair when it comes to the good, bad and ugly, where Hollywood is concerned. I would watch Film Courage even more if it was all Chris Gore.
Please visit his channel as well - th-cam.com/users/FilmThreat
@@filmcourage Chris Gore is my favorite Art House Lesbian.
Oh, nice avatar.
@@zubileegluckgluck 😂😂😂😂😂
@@zubileegluckgluck BRUH! :'") hell even Gore would laugh at that joke though
I think the biggest issue with knowing so much about our celebrities is it makes it harder to believe a character they are playing because we know too much about them. When we knew so little it is easier to believe the acting, thats the point of acting, to convince the audience that u are what ur pretending to be, but if we know too much about u, it makes it hard to suspend enough believe to get into the character they are playing… dont know if that made sense but thats my 2centa
Brad Pitt is a star, eh? Still? You know he got his start when he was Gwyneth Paltrow's agent? o_O
“There’s a big audience that kind have moved away from his work because of how he has presented himself on social media”
That and Masters of the Universe Chris, that and Masters of the Universe
“Social media is worse than smoking.” So true.
He is sooooo right about the loss of mystery with stars. Its the embodiment of 'familiarity breeds contempt'
I think we've got social media to thank for that.
I freaking love this guy. The world needs more Chris Gores.
He loves she hulk and hates lord of the rings.
He has no credibility lol.
Imagine current day pro critique. Move over, Siskel and Gerbert, Here come Blood & Gore!
@@edenarchive4150 What's wrong with that, the Hulk character hasn't been good since 2008 when Edward Norton played the character.
@@edenarchive4150 both are trash. But his being in favor of free speech is a positive point.
@@edenarchive4150 really? That show is also awful.
There's a reason Chris Gore's FC vids have millions of views: he's speaking for so many people. Too bad no one in Hollywood is listening.
I wrote an honest review with three stars and Amazon withheld it, so that review turned into an even lengthier and more carefully written review of two stars and somehow I broke their guidelines.. so, I tried to write a short one sentence review. One star of course and they stopped emailing me about the status of my review attempts. Pretty much hit the nail on the head here, for I just write my opinions about the show everywhere else. They can't control word of mouth and I tell everyone I meet that brings up the show about how the show deserves not a single star on principal over Amazon's behavior alone.
And yet despite their best efforts, it's still sitting around three stars, lol.
Indeed, part of the problem with modern Hollywood and companies in general is when they think an extremely vocal minority on social media represents the majority of _paying_ customers, then cater to that minority at the expense of everyone else and wonder perplexed how they're mysteriously losing money.
Its not only that but that people working in Hollywood including lots of actors have similar mindsets. Listen to Olivia Wilde f.e. or Disney boss. No one is living more in a bubble than the people in Hollywood
Perfect example of this is the recent "Bros" movie about a gay couple, they are blaming straight people for being bigoted for not paying to see a movie about a minority group. Business is about appealing to the largest common denominator, not various niche groups.
@@AlexG-xl1cc or when elizabeth banks accused people of being sexist for not watching her charlies angels reboot.
@@bluehydrangea5506 I remember she criticized Spielberg for not directing a movie about a woman who was a main character. When he did, "The Color Purple". But if he didn't would take away from all his accomplishments? Nope.
This is a trailing component of the MeToo and LGBTQRSTUV+ movement that focuses on corporate image and social views + clicks to generate interest and income.
This is an interesting take and it is very valuable.
Wish Hollywood would wake up....
I see Chris Gore in the title I click. Always equally interesting and entertaining. And as sad as the topics may get, he always is somehow upbeat. Thanks for making these interviews!
More to come!
100% in agreement
Same. Film courage does a lot of great content but for my it’s the interviews with Chris that earned my Subscription.
Chris has kept it real for decades now. That’s a big reason why people have so much respect for him. Like you guys, I see a Chris Gore vid pop up that’s an auto-click.
It's kind of embarrassing but you know that thing where you see a name and you don't know where you see it so you're not sure if you like them or dislike them? For some reason I always keep thinking Chris Gore is going to be a fucking sjw and every time I'm pleasantly surprised that he's not LOL I don't know why that's what I've got stuck in my head about him
2022 has definitely been a year of alienating audiences with mediocre/average content.
Their have been some good things but it’s very hit and miss.
As of the past year, the only good movies I've seen were Everything Everywhere All At Once, RRR, and Top Gun Maverick. That's it. Total embarassment for Hollywood.
@@utisti4976 yep
They are not alienating people with average movies, oh no; the alienation process starts even before. Aggressive pandering towards small vocal minority, blaming audience for failure, claiming they are racist/sexist even before the ending of the box office period... It's not just bad movies, it's bad marketing, bad PR and hateful arrogant attitude towards majority of the audience.
House of the dragon is pretty dope. Other than that Top Gun Maverick is just about all I can think of. The rest has been hot garbage that is just review pandering nonsense.
Better Call Saul carried the series world on its back this year
The Jack Ryan series, Reacher, and Terminal List are all examples of Amazon's ability to do adaptations that hardcore fans of the source material could live with, if not enjoy just as casual viewers have done. There in lies the rub with rings of power. When you have source material that gives you endless amounts of detailed lore and character profiles AND you do what they're doing, that shows that the show runners and EPs have real disdain for true Tolkien fans.
They don't actually own the rights to The Silmarillion. That's the main reason I passed. After GOT seasons 7 and 8 I feel as if I learned my lesson. If you aren't being true to source material you will often muddy the waters with your own agenda driven fan fiction that is far from the imagination of the original author.
The thing is, it's not solely amazon. In some projects all they do is bankroll, like the rings of power and creative freedom is given to the showrunners
Amazon has great dramas and thrillers but they cannot seem to get it right when it comes to fantasy lol. It's like by simply buying the rights to an IP, they think they've bought a compliant fanbase eager to consume anything with the IP's name on it. Then they're confused why fans are upset when the adaption feels nothing like the IP the fanbase knows, loves, and understands. "What? This has all the character names and places of the IP, and we spent lots of money on special effects, hmm all this criticism must be unfounded racism, sexism, or nerds who want a 1:1 carbon copy! Instead of figuring out where we went wrong, let's instead censor reviews and call out the fans for being bad fans and bad people, too!"
Guess I'm a fake Tolkien fan for liking his books and the adaptations. Extra fake fan points for liking games based on his work too 💪
@@mick-ericboettge8683 it’s all subjective to the individual at the end of the day
The Critical Drinker pointed something out in one of his recent videos. What a lot of studios, and even actors, are doing now is fan-bating. They go out of their way it seems to provoke a negative response from the audience just for the publicity of it. Also, it's always it nice to see Chris in these videos. As usual he nails it.
The critical drinker, now thats a stupid name of a youtube channel.
Love these Chris Gore interviews, he’s great!
Same.
More to come!
I could listen to him for hours!!!!
This became a thing because Amazon intentionally alienated their LOTRs fan base and continued to double down on this. It seemed at every turn they shat on the built in fan base they had so they have to own this. That along with the fact they do have writing issues, acting issues, and production issues within the show itself.
and that is so weird, because all those easter eggs they throw in this show are only recognizable by the same fan base, they are antagonising with every other thing they do lorewise... let alone all the other problems you listed...
It's a peculiar choice, isn't it? Why even invest in an IP with a built-in fan base and then drive away those fans? Could have just started with new IP...
@@Briznor yes. They could have done original story and original characters and then have the legacy characters be on the periphery or save the day at the last minute. Imagine Guy-ladriel not being the focus but appearing in all her magical glory to save them all in Helms cheap. That would have been awesome. Well as awesome as Amazon could do it anyway.
Amazon literally said Tolkien and his fans were white supremacists so idk what you expect.
The same way that he talks about actors being cheapened is what happened with the BA characters in LOTR. These people were legendary bad asses in lore. But the writing has been so horrible I wouldn't trust anyone of the writers with extending an episode of Rick and Morty much less LOTR. So now if I watch I see a childish Galadriel that may as well be evil and everyone else in her scene is just incompetent. This show was written for 5 year olds I guess.
Chris is so well spoken and explains these problems so clearly, if only someone in Hollywood would listen.
I was recently talking to some friends about how I'm certain when our kids (currently babies or toddlers) are older, we will have regulated social media way more than now, because it's so obvious by now how horrible it is for us, and for society. So I totally agree with Chris' sentiment that social media is worse than smoking, and smoking was a huge normalized part of life not so long ago, and now it isn't as much. Governments everywhere need to step up about this
Basically you want the government to limit free speech on privately owned websites. This will not stop the toxic WOKE lynch mob getting a kick out of cancelling people. White supremacist will always find a way to be racist.
I'm part of that former Kevin Smith audience. I really try and separate the art from the artist, but when it comes to giving them money, I draw the line
Underrated comment.
Oh definitely. However, in the case of Kevin Smith, I’d say it’s a combination of realizing I don’t like him as a person colliding with a significant downturn in the quality of his output.
@@joQing.7384 I think that is an issue with alot of actors or directors, creators or however you want to call them. As soon as they start to fall to far into what is mostly called "woke thinking", the product often suffers. For some reason alot of them can't keep their agenda out of the work.
Exactly, at some point - one needs to come to the realisations that you get what you "support". Being hopeful for "change" is nothing more then just... gambling. You're just relying on luck and the naïve perception that those who want to make money are in it for the "art", and that it just "one bad streak" for every (progressively) crappy products they produce.
Movie poopshoot!
4:54 is absolutely spot-on. You would think more actors would understand the value of not creating strong associations with their own selves in the mind of their audience. Or potential audience, given how many of them seem determined to alienate a huge chunk of the public by being unnecessarily obnoxious on social media. Nobody wants to see Santa Claus take off his beard to eat lunch in the mall food court. Twitter simply reveals just shows how many actors are slaves to their narcissism.
Yeah, I don't want to know too much about actors. I don't even have social media, and I try to stay off the most gossipy and click-baity TH-cam videos, but I'm still exposed to way too much of actors' lives. I still enjoy going to cons and getting a photo or an autograph, that a nice memento and an experience to get to see an actor you like in real life, but I never attend the Q&A sessions or ask any questions at the table. I just want to see this person, shake their hand, thank them for a movie of show that ment a lot to me and then be off. I don't want to know anything about their lives.
They are human beings not your little toys. Let them live their own lives. If they want to be public and inter act and even make fools of themselves let them. People act like they are so special because they don't want to know about actors personal lives but if they do find out they want to judge them and their art for what they learn. How about famous people can have political opinions or be weird or support a different candidate than you and we can be mature enough not to let it affect us.
@@stevenygabbyperez695Dude, no one is claiming they're 'special', so stop projecting. We're simply pointing out that someone whose livelihood depends on the audience being able to suspend their disbelief when they're portraying a character on screen isnt well-served by using their celebrity to make personal statements. Especially when those statements are often extremely polarizing and antagonistic to a large segment of the population. If my neighbor stands on his porch yelling obnoxious crap into the street, then guess what? I'm going to conclude he's a jackass, and I'm going to want nothing to do with him as a result. Same concept.
That's not even remotely akin to seeing them as 'toys' or stopping them from 'living their own lives'. THEY are the ones using their fame to stand on a soapbox. If they don't want some of their potential audience to shun them as a result, then maybe they should consider toning down the sanctimony.
I saw paddington 2 when i worked at a theater as a joke. I was really surprised by how much I enjoyed it. Sometimes walking into something blind and just evaluating what it reveals itself to be is the best course of action for subjective opinions. If you already have an idea of another persons subjective take, you’ll be weighing the source material against their opinion instead of merely measuring its weight. We all have our own scales.
Man, I went into the first Paddington not expecting much. I left the theater in love with the world and characters and felt so happy and fulfilled. Same with the sequel. We need more optimistic and endearing films like that.
thats how I appraoch all media. idc if there's a universe or a source material or if it's canon or not. I go in expecting to see a story that looks interesting. if it is or isn't that's to decide at the end of the movie.
Imao padinwhat?
@@teur7078 Paddington 1 & 2 are unironically good.
Amazing what can happen if you respect the source material.
Some people just understand how to put their thoughts into words and it really is an art form! He has a wonderful way of explaining things that make you not only want to listen but receive it well! Great interview
The fact that the producers of this show didn't get huge fans of Tolkien to work with his incredible mythical world says it all right there.
They did
But that’s not true. The show runners are massive fans of Tolkien and it’s a passion project for everyone involved in the writing and production.
@@jakeausten9673 Are they really?
@@jakeausten9673 maybe they are huge fans but awful writers and producers.
@@volkhen0 That’s a different argument than what I’m responding to, but I see your point. They’re so awful they only managed an 85% on Rotten Tomatoes.
His comments about social media being one day considered more unhealthy than smoking is so spot on. I limit myself to a few youtube comments and an extremely skimpy facebook friends list and I can still feel the negativity on my life. I can’t imagine what Twitter users go through.
Ooff.. twitter is... a rage cesspit...
As a gay man I really appreciate what he said about gay characters these days. It's as though it's just inserted into stories to fill an agenda. I personally don't care about the sexuality of a character. It only really needs to be discussed when its relevant to the story.
It's just modern tokenism, my dude. Bunch of checkboxes to be checked, and the more the better. It's like they don't realize for a second that you can relate to movie/tv/etc characters for.. you know.. their *character* instead of innate attributes like sexuality or skin colour :S
If you want a real story about gay men then watch Spartacus, the gays aren't weak little wimps they have broad stories and skills etc.
This leftist democrat shit is ruining the greatness of minorities in every single way.
Captain Jack Harkness was gay but that was a single dimension of a multidimensional (and fun) character and everyone loved him. Not just a token single-dimensional gay character. And if you weren’t a fan of the character no one would scream in your face that you hate gays
@@thisisfyne Yes its very strange. Most of my favourite characters I wouldn't even know their sexuality. Watching live action beauty and the beast and having Lefou dancing with an effeminate man doesn't make me feel 'represented', it just has me scratching my head when it served no purpose. I wish studios would stop using minorities to score points with the social political climate and just focus on creating well written characters.
@@shadysorkin9214 Can you create a gay character without pushing an agenda though? If you create a character, it's pretty much by default assumed they are straight because that is the normal state of human beings. The overwhelming majority of people are straight. So in order to create a gay character, you have to actively add that in as a detail about that character and do we really trust any writers today, to do that without pushing an agenda? I really don't know if you can create an alphabet character without there being some reason besides it being just a random detail the writer came up with. Even if it's done with subtlety like Sulu in Star Trek Beyond.
There is no mystique to Hollywood anymore. It used to be fun to watch the Oscars, see all the stars and the outfits and the humor. We live in an unromantic age. Even in our day to day lives, just nothing romantic, nothing of the spiritual, enigmatic, magical. Social media merely lets the worst of us be shown. I really enjoy Mr. Gore's videos. I don't go to the movies anymore because I feel like I'm disrespecting my own thinking.
Nice to see someone who isn't afraid to say what they really think.
Film courage indeed.
Keep up the great work chris.
Lol, I mean come on, literally NO one is afraid to say their mind about RoP :D
@@JH-zs3bs wasn't specifically talking about rop just media in general.
Amazingly rop has its defenders which i have no idea how such a thing is possible lol
@@NaneelQueenOfDarknes they just aren't afraid to say what they really think ;)
Chris knows his stuff. I can completely respect his viewpoint. I mean if Twitter stopped working tomorrow would anyone actually miss it? Honestly? I certainly wouldn't. It's more of a dive than Mos Eisley in my opinion.
He is wonderful. The way he carefully phrases everything and doesn't hurt on purpose. I am glad that Clerks 3 is this good but yeah I am one of those people who nowadays avoids anything involving Kevin Smith and he is right. Most of his wounds are self-inflicted and unnecessary. Regarding Rings of Bollocks...it is a textbook example of everything that is currently wrong with Hollywood.
If Amazon were just honest and said "Look, we accept that Tolkien envisaged Middle Earth as white European. But we believe everyone accepts that that's not something we can really portray in 2022, as BAME deserve to be involved in such a massive project, too."
Instead if "Look, peasants, just because you've re-read these books dozens of times over decades doesn't mean you understand it. Our $1 billion means we can do whatever we want, and it can only be racism that stops you enjoying it!"
@@KiltBill2 which is absolutely dishonest too. Just because it's "current year", doesn't mean you can shit on already existing IPs to push a narrative that panders to the current trending group think.
" Rings of Bollocks" 😂 Well said. All of it.
Same. The bait and switch he did with Heeman and Teela and the way he attacked fans to defend that bullshit was it for me.
If you want to make a show focused on Teela ... fine the the has other characters you can focus on. But don't bill it as a Heman show and then start it with him being presumed dead and insulted.
If you're work is really so "brave" and "progressive" then you shouldn't need to be ashamed about it and hide it.
All else aside it was the lies that earned the most backlash regarding the He man show. It wasn't mysogany or anything like that.
Despite what Hollywood wants to think we don't hate strong women, we just want strong characters that happen to be women ... not women written to be strong because they are women, women who are basically written like men (because the writer apparently can't think of any femanin traits that they think can be strong), and especially not women that need to put men down to appear strong in comparison.
Kim Possible was of my favorite Disney Channels shows and she was a girly girl that kicked ass! But despite having good examples of how to write a good female protagonist Hollywood keeps failing at it anyway.
and they canonized velma gay and it didnt bothered me
its just both warnerbros and normal people are attacking each other
there both toxic
i really liked the animation
its so smooth and nice
and i avoid twitter and the toxic negativity
Chris always tries to do his best in giving an objective pov and also speaking what most of us audiences think and feel!
Spot on J G. Spot on.
He's right about the influencer thing. A producer I know sent me a pitch deck for a movie he was trying to raise money for. In the pitch deck were the bios of the four actors he wanted as options for the female lead. Their bios included how many Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram followers they each had. He said that is something every investor asks about nowadays.
And then they wonder why their movie bombs lmao. Social Media Stats are lazy data mining that's all, it's not at all connected to paying customers.
How sad
Ironic because most of those “followers” are bots purchased by the actor’s publicist from either a social media company or a 3rd party tech firm.
Did you think Chris Pratt is Mario because they had creative differences with the regular voice actor? He's in the movie because my mom knows who Chris Pratt is.
@@pigs18 true
I think we need to come up with a different word than "bullying" for people trading mean Tweets. Both sides of the conversation are *opt-in*. You didn't have to show up Twitter, you don't have to read your feed, you don't have to reply when you see something you don't like, and you don't have to read the responses. Best of all, Twitter boasts a fully-functional 'block' function which prevents you from seeing anyone who annoys you (as does every other social media platform).
When you're being bulled in real life, like at school, you can't just leave. You can't make the mean kids making fun of you cease to exist. So the dynamic is, in fact, completely different. My advice, if you can't abide people saying things you don't like, is to get off the Internet altogether, for your own mental health.
Shutting down reviews says everything you need to know about what the audience thinks of Rings of Power.
Here's a blueprint for actors/creators dealing with crytical fans: "Thank you so much for your attention and money! Being in my position is a huge privilege and, while I love my work, this privilege is fundamented in the audience. The fact that you care so much and emotionally about the film/show I'm involved in further proves your passion for the art. That is amazing and fuels my own drive! I might not always agree with your position and critic but want to thank you once more for you passion and support!"
Zachary Levi is one of the few actors I've found who lives up to that. He has mentioned numerous times how "the fans are the producers". If they don't pay for, consume, or want the product, actors have nothing. Zachary Levi seems to have incredible humility and perspective and I can't help but respect and love him for it. He constantly calls himself blessed for being in the position he's in.
This is a classic/default reply. Learning these few words and having courage to say them will definitely goes long way in the life. It shows the humbleness.
Training to be a good actor or writer and getting a contract because of it is not a "privilege", it's something you worked for and earned. Unless you literally got it by being the boss' nephew or something. Otherwise yes, being nice and thanking people a lot is of course always a good thing.
@@gavinjenkins899 Many people work hard but it's not the only factor which gets you to the highest level of success.
It requires class and self-control to respond that way.
Chris is consistently on the money. There's a place and a necessity for the more emotional defenders of pop culture, but I like Chris's reasoned and measured take on things. He's always worth paying attention to.
Wow his guy is so down to earth and level headed. Wish more artists were like him
Amazon, is engaging in cultural warfare for purposes of demoralization they took fantasy representation of celtic, gaelic, saxon culture and stole it for other people's usage. It is the worst type of cultural crime. And add to this, they trashed it because the product they made was for those ideological reasons not entertainment purposes. Their hires were all activists and ideologues absent passion and capability.
What can we do? We can turn our back on their racist products . We give them the power. As far me and my family is concerned, none of hollywoods recent works exist. We are happy watching films made by OUR people for OUR people.
Why wouldn't he be? He's not a celebrity lol
@@Despair505 good people dont become celebrities in this hollywood.
@@TheBelrick Seems like an excuse really
@@Despair505 just an observation
All the stuff Hollywood is putting out now is just another version of the Hays Code. As long as they run through their check lists and limit their films, true creativity will never shine. If they have any creativity left, that is.
Chris Gore is an absolute genius. These social media tools and the ridiculous directional power they wield will someday be viewed as historically toxic and negativity influential. I know there is a "star" element argument here and I completely agree. I also feel that I just don't care what a celebrity has to say about anything. We as a society should reduce them to performance and entertainment value. They are not qualified to provide us with any further consumption whether that is a political opinion, a cause they champion, or specifics about their private lives. Any penetration beyond the medium produced on either the fans side (i.e. tabloids) or performers side (i.e. Twitter) should be avoided.
The MCU taught Hollywood the wrong lesson.
They think you don't have to understand the lore of an IP to do it justice, but the MCU had a solid foundation before it reached the point of losing track of the core of its appeal.
💯💯💯. The first Iron Man is still fantastic
The MCU started off so simple but then became sooo complicated.
Also, if it wasn’t for Iron Man 1 and The Dark Knight, we’d have more Batman and Robins as well
@@chasehedges6775 I get what you‘re going for, but to be fair, the MCU tries to be the on-screen version of a comic book universe… and it succeeds, including the inevitable bloating that comes with years of additional content and characters. It‘s not a phenomenon specific to nowadays Hollywood but to the very nature of non-limited comics.
@@durchhalter Not every Marvel comic was a banger. Most weren't. Most superhero comics failed historically, but we tend to remember only the storyline's that held up with the test of time.
I'm not saying they should have a literal rehashing of those comics. Just cherry pick what about the material really got people excited about it in the first place.
The appeal of Lord of the Rings should actually be easier to pinpoint than that.
Oddly enough, the same thing happened to Playboy Magazine. They got rid of the nudes. I think they brought them back, but then they put a man on the cover.
The people in charge of these legacy IPs really don't seem to be fans of them, so they harbor these bizarre fantasies of how they can change society through them, but it doesn't pan out.
@@FrancisGo. Well, you may not like it, which is everybody’s prerogative, but the MCU, with all its many flaws, seems to be doing a better job at creating a shared universe than the comics it‘s based upon. Almost 14 years at the top of the film industry is objectively „doing great“, even if, for some individuals and for some understandable reasons, it‘s subjectively bad from time to time. And a veritable hype will never be able to be upheld continuously, especially not directly after a climax. There’s bound to be a phase of calming down before there even is the chance to go up again… there are some biological parallels to be found here ;-)
That being said, I too have no idea what Hollywood thought when they were doing The Rings of Power, especially after Peter Jackson already did the material so well about 20 years ago. Taking notes of what worked well, getting rid of the little flaws here and there, and then following the pattern with the newly adapted material should have been a no-brainer.
Many reviews on Amazon and elsewhere are fake. "I bought this for my husband, and he loves it. He had the other kinds before, but he says this one is so much better than the other guy's. Life is so much better now. Highly recommend it."
"Don't go see it, if you think it's something you wouldn't like"
There's problems with saying that as well. Kelly Sue DeConnick literally said "if you don't like my politics, don't buy my book" and it tanked. Everyone basically said "ok" and didn't buy it. So, it might be best just to say "I made this, what do you think?" And let the trailer or blurb weed out people who won't like it.
But that again is connecting her person to the work.
The spirit should be "We made the movie to the best of our ability, if you don't like it that's ok. There should be stuff out there that'll be more to your liking" imo
@@chrisgund88 tell her that. She looked at the camera and said "if you don't like my politics, don't buy my book" and then was surprised when sales went down.
Do you know why manga is killing it in the comic book market? They tell a story. That's it. No preaching or virtue signalling, no characters for the sake of inclusion. The only comic I've ever read where they gender or race swapped a character, and it worked was Miles Morales. There might be others, but Miles Morales is the only one I've actually read, and Into The Spiderverse was awesome.
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"Don't go see it if you think it's something you wouldn't like"
That's another thing, there's a sense that, in some cases, it's almost mandatory to see a movie, otherwise you get branded with some kind of ism. No matter if it's a genre you don't like, or if you can't afford it, or what have you.
Rings of Power is not art, its an investment, which Amazon is now trying to protect. I remember watching the making of from the original LOTR trilogy, you could see and feel the passion from, not just Peter Jackson, but all the actors involved and how deeply they connected to Tolkien's work and their characters. Everything they put in those movies, even the smallest details were purposeful.
Many of the production aspects were experimental, not just visual effects but the logistics of the whole enterprise which was massive. Nothing of this dimension has ever been attempted until then, and there was a lot of risk taking, including personal risks from the director as well as all the cast and crew. A lot was riding on this, but their passion kept the project going to a resounding success.
Rings of Power is lifeless in comparison. There's no passion, no personal involvement from anyone in production, no attachment and respect to the original material, nothing. Its just another Tuesday at Amazon. Cash flow, quarterly ends, investor's calls. Money. No passion, no commitment, no risks, nothing, just a vacuous shiny shell.
Holy cow, a man who seeks wisdom and understanding, and not just within his own field. Excellent interview.
Why would they wake Chris up from his afternoon nap to talk about Rings of Power LOL
It’s really disheartening to see what you love destroy itself!
Edit: I just want to inform how on the first few hours this was upvoted 160+. Then few hours after that, I notice how it got down from 135, then just now it’s 121. It will not surprise me if by next day this will have less than one hundred upvotes. YT is really doing magic on their platform again.
It's not destroying itself, it's taking effort by a group of disrespectful people that are trying to re educate a society into some kind of hive mind group collective. And it's not working.
Investors, producers and their greed.. the ring that can't be destroyed..Same old problem
@@Seactor investors are probably not making the creative decisions but maybe I’m wrong. They want to see a good return on their investment and quality gets you that not this nonsense.
Society’s acceptance or lack of open rejection for people who could care less about society’s expectations..is the root cause of all!
Once upon a time entertaining was for court jesters …who told the court jesters that they are king?
Society did
i want to reframe the point you're making.. because the fun-loving, imaginative, creative side of me wants anybody to be able to take Tolkien's existing body of work, and riff on it in new and unexpected ways.. so long as it's respectfully done, and makes sense within the context of that universe, just simply adhere to the characterizations and rules established, and, in my mind, anyone can write anything and if society at large, especially Tolkien experts, agree that it's solid extension of his work, then I don't see why someone can't do that. it doesn't have to be declared canon, but can still be considered a legitimate story within TLOR lore.. but the Amazon show did not do that .. nope.. as is the trend with the radical ideologists today, they take existing IPs and defile them into propaganda pieces, attempts to brainwash the culture into thinking that their ideology has gone mainstream by appropriating pop culture icons and mutating them, often into unrecognizable evil clones, sometimes the complete opposite of the original characters ethical worldview and moral behaviors..
What a fantastic video. I remember watching Chris way back in the day (G4?) and liked him then but, there was maybe 10 years before I seen him again and I'd never have guessed he was this down to earth and reasonable as he is. I think the entire movie industry needs to watch this to get some again reasonable perspective. I really like Chris Gore even more now. These movie companies and the actors really need to take a step back and reevaluate themselves and quite letting all these out influences take them down
It’s completely counter productive censoring reviews, because the first thing it does to average viewers is make them assume most of the reviews are negative.
The Drinker said it recently as well. In the pre social media days the general public had much more respect and almost reverance for celebrities / movie stars.
The moment we saw that many pretty faces are just stupid, flawed and unhinged readers of other peoples words we kind of lost interest in them.
Chris seems like a wise fellow.
8:05 describes me exactly, I'm sad to say. I've lost the ability to look past an artist's behaviour off screen. Chris is right, and perhaps he's a better man than I for being able to do it. But I just don't want to go to the extra effort any more. Life is too short for that, and there's plenty of content out there from artists who don't openly despise me.
Cheers mate!
yeah exactly
Its hard nowadays because theyre so loud and combative about it
Well said madaxe - I pretty much just gave the same opinion/comment but you said it much better than I. Getting harder and harder to do these days.
@@maravertin There’s a legitimate point that a a terrible person can still make great art, which is what I think Chris was suggesting people focus on. And he’s right that we might miss out on something worthwhile if we boycott it because one of the creatives behind it is an a-hole.
However, I tend to agree with you - it’s a holistic experience, and the creator is part of that. Since I have limited time to spend on enjoying films, books, video games, and I have to be selective about which I chose, why shouldn’t supporting creators who don’t despise me be part of that process?
Very contradictory saying that it’s bad when they don’t listen to the fan base but then goes off about Twitter warriors demanding a change and getting it.
"the less I know about a celebrity, the more I tend to like them". Thats true of almost every human. The quiet, non-interactive people you meet you generally have a positive view of. Its once you learn they are furries that things change.
I love most of what Chris says on these subjects, but for myself, if an actor bullies fans online I don't watch any more of that actor's work. You don't reward a child for bad behavior, and an adult should know better (and Kevin Smith is a great example). IMO. I guess that just makes Chris a better man than me...
I've really missed this format! It's more intimate and concise, and the lady always ask very interesting questions.
I hope more are made in the future!
I really miss Inside The Actors Studio, this interview format gives a bit of that feeling
Nice! Chris Gore talking about AMAZON'S shutting down movie reviews.
Once again, he knocks it out of the park!
I agree with him about the stars becoming "accessible" through social media. I miss their mystery and me wondering what their life is.
Again, Chris is 110% on everything. Love Chris. More Gore Por Favor.
Chris is my favorite part of this series. The man is always on target.
"One of the best things you can do for your mental health is not be on social media." Thank you!!!
When Chris speaks, you listen
Indeed
If anyone who cares to, _is_ being honest...We were not ready for social media. As I'd commented on a whole other video, this thing we call social media is in no way unlike being in a relationship--The goings are only as good as they are without it. You will never find me on any of that.
They were called *stars* for a reason. Bright, beautiful, unreachable, unknowable. People could project whatever good qualities they wanted.
It's interesting the interviewer brought up Marilyn Monroe. She was an American icon. Still is. And she was the most digusting slob ever. She had trouble retaining maids because of how she lived. She would often leave her leftover food on the plate, but it in bed, and throw a sheet over it. People she brought home to sleep with had to ignore the smell of rotting food. "If you can't handle me at my worst you don't deserve me at my best" was such an iconic line that people really don't have the context for. Imagine if those maids had had twitter.
Agree 100% with what Chris says about social media. The bad is outweighing the good on a massive scale.
This was some fantastic commentary. I think social media has basically become the digital tabloids publications, those magazines we would shun in the grocery checkout lane because the cover claims were so far off in left field. I appreciate how, even though this is about the film and television industry, this directly correlates to many other areas of creative expression.
yes, love it, social media is definitely turning into the 'weekly world news' {said in the voice of May MacKenzie in So I Married An Axe Murderer}
- Tolkien fandom stands alone.
- Not alone. Fandoms !
- To the king !
:)
What's sad is that there will be no lesson in this. Amazon won't see a flop and go "We made a bad show. Our bad." It'll be "Oh, people clearly don't like lord of the rings anymore. Time to put the franchise on ice for a decade."
" Amazon never cared about the canon, anyway.
And they simply didn't care or understand what Tolkien's creation MEANT to the fans.
They just thought they could get away with slapping a Tolkien sticker onto their crackfiction and the fans would come running.
Well, they did.
Fully armed. "
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Same with Disney and their horrible remakes, their treatment of Star Wars etc.
@@chasehedges6775 disney also ruined marvel
@@yuliansuke1367 Amazon also Wheel of Time... well not ruined the original material, becasue nothing can... but they missed out on the great opportunities to show us entertaining adaptations of books, that build up a massive fan base on their own merits. Putting in modern real world agendas just is not what the writers did in the first place... they wrote fantasy... as per definition a world that is different in so many ways.
Always enjoy Chris Gore. Very smart man.
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100% agree with Chris here, it's unbelievable the amount of celebrities I've gone off as recent as the past 4-5 years due to their behaviors and over inflated opinions on social media.
i work for a marketing agency and we sometimes get bad comments and negative reviews on client products and business models. Now to me logically it makes sense to look at those faults and find out why and use it to improve the brand stratagy and bring the feedback back to the client. However my supervisors and clients don't want negative reviews and comments so they block/delete/hide them and pretend it doesn't exist. It's a waste of time for them. It's a strategy i'm against but my opinions don't matter when it comes to these subject matters in the business.
@4:57 that's a really good point. If you're a celebrity, the best thing you can do is keep your mouth shut or use fake names. Anything you say will be used against you sooner or later.
What they did in the ring of power is simply a crime
Well, Amazon just gave me ONE more reason to not purchase their shows or movies. So, if that was their goal, it was a win. If the goal was to boost the abysmal ratings of the show, then they've failed...Because the news is already everywhere that people can't stand the show. Now, Amazon just made people even MORE upset and gave them one more reason to dislike the show.
Wow. Never been exposed to Chris before now, extremely wise and knowledgeable. I will seek out his work from here on out.
All of his videos are a breath of fresh air. You will enjoy
On Actors Bullying Fans - Seeing Mark Hammill publicly shame Baron Trump on Twitter made me very mad.
I imagined what it would have been like for me as a kid to be publicly and personally attacked for something someone else did, by fucking Luke Skywalker. . . it would have devastated me.
Social Media is worse for us than smoking
- Chris Gore, 5 October 2022.
The craziest part of this amazing interview (as always) is finding out that there is a “Clerks 3.” I guess that shows how absolutely far Kevin Smith has fallen.
I saw Clerks 3, and I liked it.
My thoughts exactly!
@@Madbandit77 You know it wasn't good. Wasn't anywhere near Clerks 2 cmon man.
Sonic movie adaption success is proof that audience feedback is sometimes a good thing.
I grew up in a town with alot of celebrities years ago. We were pretty protective of their privacy unless they did something seriously outrageous. This seems to be a massive intrusion that then demands the star always be "on" and that way makes them crazy.
it's so refreshing to get a normal interview from a normal individual not weighed down by political BS.
I saw a TH-cam rant about Clerks 3 that half way through the commenter said he hadn't seen the movie. All it was a video complaining about Kevin Smith on social media and how he changed. Uh yea Clerks was thirty years ago. Chris is right about separating the artist from the art. Clerks 3 was awesome and I cried at the end.
This is what happens when producers prioritize "The Message", over actually focusing on the fundamentals of good storytelling.
Oh, and believable, LIKABLE characters help as well. Who are somewhat true to the source material..