TANDEMKROSS - "Game Changer PRO" Installation and Compensator Comparison Experiment
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 มี.ค. 2018
- How to install Tandemkross's "Game Changer PRO" compensator, plus an experiment that demonstrates just how well the Game Changer PRO works.
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Honestly the best way to prove a product is the scientific method. I've seen so many videos where a company pays an influencer to say "OMG THOSE THING IS SOOOO MUCH BETTER THAN THE THING I DID JUST WEEK!". The hype train can only get you so far. Proving your product makes a lasting difference is the best way to market.
Nice guys! If a 3rd set of shots was done with a "Dummy" weight (equal to the compensator in mass and center of gravity) attached to the barrel we could determine the contribution of the gas ports.
Either way, I guess it works by dampening the muzzle rise. Plus it looks better then just having some weight sitting off the barrel
@@kurticusur right and no cleaning either if weight alone would do it plus shorter length
Just got my compensator delivered to Australia. Thanks guys!
Always love TK, the videos and the effort put into your fantastic components. Thanks again Bryan for reminding me to revisit this video.
Thanks for making this awesome video! It helped me to decide which make and model compensator to buy for my m&p 22 pistol. The gamerchanger pro is in the mail. :)
Getting hive grips and comps for both of my 22/45 Mark IVs. Great video
So great to hear! Thanks for your business.
I love Tandemkross and they have some of the best customer service in the industry. I am surprised no one mention how easy it is to clean Game Change Pro compare to conventional compensator. People should purchase just for this reason alone! That being said, I think the added weight of SS contributed more than port design in reducing muzzle raise, consider how light that .22LR pistol front is. Of course, I have no scientific testing to back it up. Hahaa.
The dial indicator needs to be set below the barrel and preloaded more than the anticipated movement, so as to eliminate bounce and throw of the indicator plunger. You could get the actual movement of the firearm.
Should also compare against an un-ported weight threaded onto the barrel the same mass as your comp.
Did anyone else notice the gauge was not set at the same starting point for each test?
@@2GUNMASTER It doesn't have to be. The measured amount of movement and the base being fixed are what's important with an indicator.
If you use a MANTISX SHOOTING PERFORMANCE SYSTEM you can get results from all axis in mil seconds on the movement, no force..Pretty cool test you did..Just now ordered one of the old style to try on Taurus TX22 and my MANTISX SHOOTING PERFORMANCE SYSTEM.
I shot a friends gun with one of these on it and asked how much he thought it helped, so he unscrewed it and gave me another mag. I have to say I was impressed with the results and will be ordering one for myself.
Glad you like it and will be ordering your own! It makes a big difference!
It would be interesting to simply attach a weight at the end of the barrel and see the difference with the compensator.
@nate john Me three!
I'll be buying one
Good video demo. 32.5% difference and 0.36683 less rise. But I want those "hiveGrips" you have on the pistol for my new Mark4 22/45 Tactical. Already have the standard "GameChanger"
You won't have to wait much longer, Larry!
Very Impressive !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thanks for the demonstration. I wonder if changing the recoil spring will also affect the pistol head movement.
Great product! We need it in red for the PC Carbine.
We're always thinking about new colors we can do, so we'll keep it in mind!
Although the test was impressive. Kind of doubt that there would be nearly that much rise with a good solid hold. Surely the compensator would make some difference maybe a few percent. Unless I was in the olympics I wouldn't waste my money rather spend more time on the range and more money on ammo. but would love to see the difference with a good shooter with a good solid hold. Difference would probably be negligible and only important in the rarest of instances.
Is the difference due to the additional mass on the front? Do you guys have an engineer who designed this? Can the engineer advise us how much torque this produces downwards, and compared to stock?
Any chance you could do another test with the ports pointed down? Averaging the ports up rise with the ports down rise would provide a baseline to establish how much the ports affect rise vs. weight of the comp.
I'm thinking an equal weight rock duct taped near the muzzle would achieve similar results. I don't know how the cool factor changes until I see Keanu Reeves sporting my rock idea.
How do you clean it?
Would you recommend this for a FiveseveN?
Question about the Gold Compensator, is it the same color gold as the trigger and barrel that comes on the Ruger MKIV 22/45 lite?
anyone else notice first test without compensator was 6 shots and with was 5 shots
What do you when it does not time correctly? I replaced the Mini 14 style flash suppressor on my 10/22 with a game changer and it locks up hard at about 2 o'clock and when I back it up to 12 o'clock it doesn't even need 2 finger pressure to spin. Do I need a crush washer or just some Locktite?
Our "Game Changer" comps come with a rubber O-ring that can help with timing issues. If you didn't get one, or if you did, are already using it, and think another would help your comp line up, call 603-369-7060 or email customerservice@tandemkross.com to get in touch with us and we can help you out.
I like the comp idea and I'll be ordering one. The test setup is completely unreliable. Since you have high speed camera you should have just placed a metered board behind the muzzle and had the camera capture free muzzle rise. As a precision tool and die guy I cringed watching that indicator get abused lol. I doubt that thing makes calibration anymore. Great products though!!
Thanks for the feedback on the video and testing, Jory! This was our first attempt at something like this, and we'll definitely be fine tuning going forward. So this is great info for us!
@Tandemkross I'd like to see same video fro Game Changer Pro vs original game changer
Thanks for the feedback, Rocco! We always want to know what customers are looking for!
Why is your DIal at a Different Reference Point with the Comp on in comparison to the Comp being off? the Black marks on the dail with the Comp on where at the 10 and 2 but with the Comp on they are 2 and 4 why the Change? That makes it look like you are changing the dial to make your comp look better than it is!
Thanks for watching and for sharing your feedback. We weren’t using those dials as reference points. You can see in the video that when the firearm is at rest the hands of the meter don’t line up with the dials. You can also see that the dials aren’t always in the same place even on different trials for the same gun. For example, at the 4:00 mark the dials are at 5 and 7 in trials 3 and 4. Those marks just didn’t factor into how we were measuring the muzzle rise. We measured the muzzle rise using wherever the hands of the meter started as our zero for each trial. Hope this helps make things clearer!
I know this is an old video, but can anyone tell me what optic that is?
I'd like to know the difference between this Game Changer Pro and the original Game Changer. Is it worth me putting in an additional 25 dollars?
Hi Brik, it somewhat depends on what you're looking for. The original "Game Changer" is made from aluminum so much lighter weight. Some people like that, especially if they're using a heavier gun. However, in general we tend to recommend the "Game Changer PRO." It reduces muzzle rise even more than the original due to its large ports and heavier stainless steel body. It's great for balancing out a lighter weight pistol and it is MUCH easier to clean and maintain. We like to say the original Game Changer is a consumable part (you'll have to replace if you shoot with it a lot), while the Game Changer PRO is highly durable. Hope this helps! We've gotten requests for the type of test in this video comparing the two comps and it's on our list of videos to make!
I chose the pro bcuz it vents at 45 degrees to each side, not upwards into your line of sight. Just my opinion, you may want the lighter one if weight is more important to you.
Is just the o ring going to be tight enough for the pc carbine? I used a wrench to make one further rotation after handtight and even then im scared itll come loose.
Hi TimTam! The o ring should allow you to time it correctly after being hand tight, but you shouldn't have to worry about it coming loose if you have tightened it!
What size is the O ring?
Do you recommend any loctite or other threadlocker for the Gamechanger Pro on the 9mm PC Carbine?
You won't need it! Just have it a bit tighter than hand tight using the o-ring to make sure its lined up the correct way and you'll be good! Just make sure you get the 9mm version! =)
I wanted to know, to install the compensator, I noticed that by removing the original, there is a small metal gasket, do you have to leave it? And put the one supplied with the compensator together?
You do not have to, but it will work just fine with it, and typically we see people keep them on with the o-ring just to keep them secured so they don't lose them!
So same story different day- my comp came with the rubber o ring and a steel flat washer whats the flat washer for? And how tighr does it need to be
So i put the pro on sw compact 22 so just add another o ring to get it lined up and tight ? After a few shots it loosens up ?
If your compensator is loosening up after a few shots, adding another O-ring will help get it to the correct tightness and line it up correctly.
Would this work on a Taurus tx22? I know the regular game changer does
Yep! Anything the original Game Changer can be installed on, so can the PRO.
Is this compensator, TK00N0269BLK1 compatible with the Ruger mk4 22/45 tactical? Thanks regards!
It is! As long as you have the threaded barrel!
When installing, do we use the factory crush washer that is installed when using the thread protector or do we remove it and use just the rubber washer that TK supplies?
The rubber washer can be used with or without the crush washer. Some people find using the crush washer with the rubber washer can impact the timing of the compensator. You can try it with and without and see which gets you a better fit and alignment of the comp. Each gun is a little different in that regard. If you have any serious timing issues, let us know and we can send you a washer kit that includes other washer options to help you get the best fit. Let us know if you have any other questions!
TANDEMKROSS yes it is pretty loose still because if i tighten it the logo and vents wont be faced up. May i try the washer kit to see if it works
Definitely! Just send an email to customerservice@tandemkross.com or call us at 603-369-7060 and let them know you need the washer kit. They will get that out to you ASAP.
Quick question. I just put your muzzle brake on my PC9 but with the vents in the upward position, it's about a half a turn from being fully tight? Is this normal, and is this safe?
You want it to be fully tight. It happens occasionally that the vents don't quite point upward when fully tight. If you contact customerservice@tandemkross.com they can send you a parts pack with more of the rubber o-rings to help you get it lined up.
@@TANDEMKROSS thanks TK! I'll do that
I apologize for the late comment. I was just able to watch the video and while I believe the Tandemcross game changer is a great compensator, the video I watched showed someone using a dual indicator to try and measure the muzzle rise, this method is obviously flawed as the indicator jumped significantly after each shot. I think if you would have just lined up a machinists rule on the opposite side of the muzzle, the high speed camera would have caught the actual rise. Just my humble opinion. Good job on the comp though..
Would this procedure be the same for a PC Charger? The pistol you installed it on is. .22. Would you need to tighten it more on the 9mm?
The installation method is exactly the same for the 9mm version. There's no noticeable difference in how tight you have to put it on between the 9mm and 22 versions.
@@TANDEMKROSS Thanks for your quick response
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Nice comp, and works nice. Cannot decide - TK or Carolina Crusher... 🤔
I have the Game Changer (not Pro), do you think I'm getting about the same result ?
The Pro is a bit heavier, so it will offer a bit more muzzle rise compensation as well as vent the gas at 45 degree angles.
Does the crush washer staybon or do you remove it?
That's my question also.
Is it actually from the comp vents or just the weight of the comp?
Both factor in to reducing muzzle rise, and the angled vents block gasses from the line of sight as well!
My 22/45 duz not have a screw set up for a silencer so this would not work for me
Is the installation the same for a 9mm? No crush washer needed???
It's the same process! =)
I'm not here to bash Tandemkross, but the test setup seems to exaggerate the real world effect of the compensator. Removing the spring from the Ransom equipment is like removing my flesh and muscle from my firing hand(s). Throwing on the super sensitive machinist gauge further inflates the effect. I doubt they are intended for any purpose with such rapid movement. I might still buy one, but it's hard to justify. Now the Halo charge ring is almost certain.
After installing should the compensator be extremely tight or hand tight enough? After I get a little tight and line up there is still some movement left but I cannot do another full rotation. All good?
Extremely tight is probably better, but as long as it's tight enough to not move when you're shooting it's probably not a problem. If you'd like another o-ring and washer kit to see if adding them helps it line up and be tight, reach out to customerservice@tandemkross.com and they can help you get one.
@@TANDEMKROSS If extremely tight is better like you say, why do you only hand tighten it in the video?
@@forgetyourlife I also said that as long as it was tight enough to not move while shooting, it was good. The tighter it is, the less likely it is to move, but you can get it tight enough to not move while shooting by hand tightening it.
That’s how mine is but the oring holds it tight enough when lined up that it stays put during use.
@@crazrehabkid88 yes, even if you can still turn it a little the o-ring should hold it tight. But if anyone is ever unsure if it will hold, we're happy to send the o-ring kit.
Do I have to use adapter for my walther p22 with that?
Nope! If you have the threaded model, you can fasten it right on!
PRODUCT IDEA (ruger mark IV 22/45 lite) - I'm left handed. I love the idea of resting my thumb on an enlarged safety. Please make an enlarged safety for the right-side of the gun! (for a left-handed grip) It would be so easy because that piece just screws on! PLEASE! also please make forward thumb rest for left-handed people (ie right side of gun). Lefties want all the comforts rightys get
Thanks for the idea! We've heard this from a few other people, as well. We always take all suggestions to our product team and we do our best to listen to our customers.
that's what makes you guys great. I just bought a ton of stuff from your website!
Thanks so much for your business and your support!
Is there a functional difference in rise between the GameChanger and the Gamechanger Pro?
All else being equal the game changer pro will be more effective due to being a bit heavier.
@@TANDEMKROSS So weight plays, perhaps, the biggest role in the effectiveness of a compensator?
Would this be a good choice for a Ruger 10/22, or would you suggest a different option?
This is a great upgrade for a 10/22! A lot of customers use them on their rifles. We highly recommend it!
can you put this on 10/22?
Yes! We have a ton on ours!
what grip is that?
Thanks for your interest, Steven! That is our "hiveGrip" for Ruger® MKIV 22/45. You can find it on our website: www.tandemkross.com/hiveGrip-for-Ruger-MKIV-2245_p_462.html
Hi, is this the black or matte version?
This one is the black version. When the Game Changer PRO first came out and we made the video, we didn't have a matte version.
Is there ANY alternative anywhere for a non-threaded version? 🤔
We don't make one, but I know there are companies that do make clamp-on compensators. They're often semi-custom, machined specifically for your barrel, and thus can be pretty expensive. You could also get someone to thread your barrel, which is a bit riskier but might be more cost effective.
@@TANDEMKROSS Thank you for the answer. Can you Name any such companies?
Yeah Restriction is RIDICULOUSLY TIGHT, here in Sweden... Can't do much to the gun
@@EnricoSWE I don't know any companies off the top of my head, sorry. I just know that clamp-on comps exist. Not much help, I know. I apologize.
@@TANDEMKROSS Okey, please tell me here if you come across some names. I can't find any
Game changer vs game changer pro which one and why? I want to know please anyone so I just get one if had too.
Game Changer is excellent, but the PRO is better. - PRO is steel (vs. aluminum) to add weight for better balance, more accuracy. - Proprietary coating makes cleaning the compensator easy. - Vents gases at dual 45° angles for better visibility & control.
the only reason people put these on a 22 because its cheap and looks badass...22s dont need a comp
Why does everyone say it like, tandem
Kross?
Its spelled Tandemkross! Like one word right?
Haha it is one word! But hey - if people are talking about us, we're happy however they say it ;) Thanks for watching!
I purchased a Tandemkross 1022 bolt and after installation it would not feed ammo. It destroyed ammo. I sent it back for a refund. It is going to take a month to get a refund. That really sucks. I purchased it from Optics Planet. I do not blame them for this substandard bolt that was obviously flawed. That lies on Tandemkross for quality control or lack of it. It really screwed up my plans. I called Ruger to see if there had been any bolt changes in the 2020 models and they said no.That it must be a faulty part. I will keep my original bolt seeing how there was nothing wrong with it. The reason for buying a new one was to avoid problems like failure to feed and failure to eject. All I got was failure to feed. Makes me never want to try another upgrade. I purchased 3 upgrade items for my Hipoint 995ts from McArbo and 1, the charging spring was to long and would not work. The next was a stainless steel charging bolt that hipoint forced them to recall. The last item I purchased was a trigger spring. I have no idea if there was any improvement there because I installed it the same time I installed my HTA MBS 9 Stock. Hopefully I keep that. It seems like aftermarket parts are being produced to quickly without proper research. Just my 2 cents. I know the Tandemkross bolt has been out for quite some time so that one is up for debate. It just sucks to have to do other peoples testing on my equipment. On the bolt the only difference I noticed was an indention on the bottom bolt rail that my original one did not have other than the pinned firing pin. I don't know for sure if that was where the problem was but it looked like that was the culprit. I'm done trying to improve this anymore. I had planned on replacing the barrel but after all of these parts that absolutely did not improve shit I'm pretty much done.
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Not happy at all with my TK game changer. Installed on a Ruger Lite 22/45 pistol, 6" group. On a 22 rifle even worse and dangerous debris blowback. 1" groups without this piece of crap.
We've never heard of any blowback, that is definitely not normal. Also, groupings will not change so something else is up. Please call customer service.
You had six test without the commentator and five with, that not giving me a good avg.