Rome vs Carthage: The Wolf at the Gates
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- “Every man is the architect of his own destiny”
Long before Rome reigned over the Mediterranean, there was Carthage: the supreme predator of Antiquity. But how did Rome rise to become one of the most ruthless powers of all time, united in cold, disciplined violence? And what was it about the Roman people that made them the greatest threat Carthage would ever face? Whilst the Carthaginians depended upon foreign mercenaries, Rome’s legions were formed of Romans, all committed to protecting and furthering the interests of Rome. And unlike anyone before, the Roman people shared a collective sense of destiny, with Roman citizenship generously offered to all conquered peoples. But following the Sack of Rome by Gauls in 390 BC, the Romans would become even more ruthless, disciplined and bent on total victory…
Join Tom and Dominic as they discuss the rise of Rome, history’s most famous superpower. By 285 BC her dominion of Italy was almost complete. Only one thing stood in her way: the formidable military leader Pyrrhus. He alone foresaw the destruction to come, and the “beautiful killing ground” that would emerge when, ten years later, Rome and Carthage would finally go to war…
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Whenever Tom hints that some story might not be true I love Dominic’s ‘Tom…no…don’t do this. Don’t do this.’ 😅
They have a great chemistry, much like a duet or a comedy team.
That reminds me, I am so sick and tired of modern historians who just write off the words of the very people they are studying. I hate how dismissive we are of folk tales and mythology, there is truth and allegory in those tales.
I don't know why I'm just finding out about this podcast now but wow! These two gentlemen are amazing!!
I love these multi-part podcasts, going into loads more detail than is possible in a single episode. I can’t get enough of it!
Me too! Recent discovery for me and I’m absolutely loving it
Man i love this channel!! Thank you gentlemen brilliant stuff, good lengthy and in depth historical info, 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
This and the Rest is politics absolutely rock. Wonderful listening as always.
@@drgeorgek Good one!😂😂
One of the best podcasts on TH-cam. Keep on posting about antique times. It's a real pleasure listening to your debates about Rome and Carthage.
I always enjoy Tom Holland. His books are well worth reading.
"The Carthaginians defending the city were attacked by three Roman legions. The Carthaginians were proud and brave but they couldn't hold. They were massacred. Arab women stripped them of their tunics and their swords and lances. The soldiers lay naked in the sun. Two thousand years ago. I was here."
Patton as played by George C. Scott
The first time I remember hearing about the Carthaginians, from the movie Patton.
Great series chaps :)
First time watching the video instead of listening to the podcast. And I like it even better!
The Romans are a bit like the Black Knight in Monty Python, they just won't give up no matter how badly they are getting beaten up.
An episode on the Etruscans would be great guys!
Another great episode. I love listening to Tom and Dominic walk us through history!
Great convo
Wonderful discussion.
Loving this series
I’m always struck by how much sacrificing there was going on everywhere.
The trauma of an unforgettably humiliating defeat is like for us in Australia (and New Zealand) strongly commemorating the ANZAC legend
Beautiful podcast. I'm reading Rubicon a book about the history of Rome. It was a pleasure to listen to you. Saludos from Latam
Samnites is a branch of Osco-umbrian peoples (similar to early Latins); thay practiced "holy spring migrations": when they were too many fir their poor resources, a part of them was sent away to conquer other lands and found new settlememts under a symbol (a wolf, a woodpecker, etc...). Samnites were one of those groups (symbol the wolf). The region were they settled (around Avellino) is still called Sannio and the flag is a wolf.
Great! Thank you.
"I hope he doesn't win a Pyrrhic victory." lol Night on the tiels 😅😅😅😅😅😅 I love your new details in my personal historical preferences 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊❤❤
great series
"Swashbuckling and blood-drenched" - I'm all ears!
"Oh, you better BELIEVE you're getting crucified. You dropped my shrimp platter. >:("
-A Carthaginian
The Roman system seems a lot like the Spartan system. And this ceases to be a coincidence if we think that Magna Grecians were Dorians.
Don't agree - the Roman system was inclusive,the Spartan,not so much.One of the reasons for the decline of Sparta was a small native population,which would become worse with population decline.
@@richardscanlan3419 I was referring to the senate(apella) and the dual king system.
More please.
Real good apart for the advert for tampax
Thanks chaps.
Who'd have thought that the Punic Wars might have been simply caused by a speech such as "We import three thirds of our cochineal dye. THAT IS A DISGRACE!!"
Please tell me during the break they drink tea and have digestive biscuits.
No crumpets?
and it was here that we saved Europe from catastrophe
Pyrrhus lost the last or 3rd battle to the Romans.
Sweet hoodie 👌
I'm not sure the Successor monarchs were uninterested in total conquest; it's more that the Greek military class was too widely and thinly spread among them to sustain it. Arming their non-Greek subjects was tried by both Ptolemies and Seleucids but never entirely embraced as it endangered the supremacy of the alien dynasties.
By the time they came into conflict, Rome had united a large part of Italy and had no peer competitor on the peninsula and, as you say, a short-winded mercantile state as it's only regional rival.
The great advantage of the Romans, beside their peripheral position, was that they had no dynastic or commercial ambition to make the ruling class fear their own armies; to some extent, their ruling class *was* their army.
Love the show! What football clubs do y’all support, if any? Just curious
I think Dominic supports Wolverhampton Wanderers,or an equally mid range football team.😂
Tom seems more of a cricket man!
@@Bobmudu35UK it’s his hometown club, just like it is for Led Zeppelin lead singer Robert Plant. I respect that.
@@Dude0000 I was kidding.
My hometown club is Millwall,not exactly world beaters!
@@Dude0000 PS,Love Zeppelin!
Definitely your are certainly right about the World At War . MY FOUNDATION of love of the story that is history. My Mother told me I used to cry to have it on when I was 18 mouths old ! Lol wtf I have watched it many times since that aswell but I hope the tracktors that were filling pits didn't affect my perspective and harden my humanity 😮😮😮 Best WW 11 production of a historical events By far. I allsow recommend (The Civil War) by Ken Burns. It actually helps to understand the Americans from a psychologist point of view on a type of civilisation 😊😢❤🎉
Wow dom is a lot balder than I imagined. Eeeee I'm infatuated xxx
Interesting that the treaty was signed the same yr Rome became a Republic.
Was that just a coincidence?
It would make sense. A new vulnerable government taking over would be a good opportunity to extract trading rights and exploit the civil conflict. Rome, even though a very unimportant city from a Mediterranean perspective, was still probably the greatest city of the Latin people at this time, so seeking negotiations with them would be logical.
Thanks,and your reply makes perfect sense.@@Adsper2000
The historical accounts and story telling is lovely.
Then again, so is team Woodpecker and shaving your private parts in public.
Global Cartgage per Liz Truss.
Sic transit gloria Lizis.
Tom is insufferable and it bleeds out into the whole show. His contemporary sympathies pour out in his historical analysis. He has affinity for the Etruscans because he thinks women had “high status”, Rome, “some would argue” were dominated militarily by the Etruscans. The first point is a basic observation on their possible social organization- why is it inherently good? The second isn’t arguable when the kings of the Roman city state were Etruscan and had to be overthrown. The Carthaginians “weren’t expanding their empire in an imperialist way” whatever that means. The purple dye came from Tyre in the eastern Mediterranean, a phonecian city that Carthage couldn’t bother to assist when it was sacked by Alexander. Rome must have “lifted” its Republican government from Carthage when their contact was minimal, language was different, and according to historical record the system of sufet governance didn’t evolve in western Phoenician city states until sometime in the 4th century BCE. It’s more likely they were taking cues from the Hellenic world. The legio as a levy was comprised of “property owners” aka stakeholders in the republican era. If war was declared by the senate, the senate and their relations had to literally fight. There was no degree of separation, they were not sending faceless plebs into the field to die for their cause. The pejoratives overflow when it comes to the “mutant” Rome and their “plunder based society”. The show is rough to listen to for anyone who’s delved into any of these topics.
These are fun to watch but trying to equate contemporary culture and society with these ancient empires is cringe at best. Non of these societies were “liberal”. Most were military states or aristocracies of kinds. They all had a warrior ethos of sorts and lived for piracy. So by all accounts they would even considered fascistic and anarchic at best. Which is kind of cool and sexy compared to contemporary modern society which resembles a human zoo.