I like how going through this Human Vs Evil Aliens plot line, Shadow suddenly goes "LOOK AT ME, I'M AN ANDROID, TIME TO GO KILL EGGMAN" and leaves the plot in limbo forever
I think you are looking at it wrong like most people.... The game is just a bunch of "What if" stories and if I remember correctly Shadow's main plot(for him) regardless of the path you choose was to fine his identity. He really didn't care about either side...it was all personal gain. Notice that shadow never says I got to save these humans or kill these aliens only the side characters did.
@@thaneros Yeah it's just.... weird for the hero mission to put you on the shadow andriod storyline path since none of the other stages before had anything to do with it.
That's what I love about this game. Shadow can help Sonic and the Humans fend off the Alien invasion, go on a trip down memory lane to remember the promise he made to a loved one to protect humanity, and when he finally lands on the alien base to finish the job... He activates the aliens' defences because FUCK YOU SONIC I'M THE MOST POWERFUL HEDGEHOG IN THE WORLD.
My favorite part of this mission is just how incongruous Shadow's revelation can be with the plot you've created. Hell, if you went Westopolis>Glyphic Canyon>Prison Island>The Doom>Air Fleet, Eggman has not appeared or even been mentioned once, but all of a sudden, ace detective Shadow opens his third eye and begins his sudden third act crusade against Eggman. It's so nonsensical that I just can't help but love it.
Remember Metal Sonic (disguised as Eggman) telling him in Heroes: "You have no past to remember!" Also remember: he saw a Shadow Android in that game after the Egg Albatross fight. We can assume he's had those recent memories in the back of his mind for a bit. Also, to even be in Air Fleet, Shadow recently hasn't been much of a hero to keep his mind off the Android idea. To remind himself that maybe he *is* the real deal, and to continue doing what Maria would've wanted. Yeah, he helped Tails, but really only to get the fifth Emerald, and not out of heroism. At this point he's thinking "What does it matter if I help Black Doom or the humans? I *am* an Android after all, and have been ignoring my true objective: the doctor must perish!"
I feel like it would have made a little more sense for Hero Air Fleet to lead to Cosmic Fall, and for Space Gadget Dark to lead to Black Comet. I mean, you could imagine Tails bringing Shadow to space after this to take care of the invasion up there, or Black Doom telling Shadow to come to the Black Comet from the ark; after all, Shadow's already in space, and the Black Comet is probably nearby anyway. Oh well.
@@Werten25 I've always disliked how taking a dark path on lethal highway or death ruins still has you fight Black Bull. Egg Breaker fights make sense even when taking the dark path because Eggman turns on basically everyone. And Heavy Dog takes place in a twisted memory altered by Black Doom (hence why the level before is called "The Doom"). They really should've had substitute mini bosses for the others though.
I notice that Tails is the only one of the Good guys who deals with the Black arms and Eggman's robots as bad guys. When you're with Espio and Amy, Eggman's robots are the good guys in those missions as well
Tails : You okay Shadow? Shadow : The pieces are coming together, this " ultimate life form" they keep referring to is the black hedgehog and he died and I am it's copy. Tails : Hey, that's totally not what I said. Shadow : I must be the android Dr Eggman created. Tails : What ?! Shadow : Then it's clear what needs to be done. Tails : I have no idea what he's talking about!
I like the part when Tails go "Oh man we are high up, watch your footing"... and then he totally jumps off the stage like a fool. Oh Tails, how many times must you die on every Sonic game?
**Plays through a level saving the President of the United Federation from evil aliens** **Monologue afterwards** "The pieces are coming together. This "ultimate life form" they keep referring to is the black hedgehog and he...died! And I'm its copy!... I must be the android Dr. Eggman created!" ...what a...twist?...
"You're going straight to the place you created me from" While I *KNOW* he means Hell - *WAY* too scary! - I ask myself: "Wait! So, you're sending Eggman to.... Space Colony ARK???"
There's three pathways towards this stage where you don't even LOOK at Eggman and still come to the conclusion that Shadow is an android. One of them is this: 2 Neutral, 1 Dark, 1 Neutral, then in this stage, Hero. Not a single eye laid upon Eggman, but he still believes he's an android. Why did SEGA make Shadow so naive in this game but not in future games!?
@@darthutah6649 SG makes at least SOME sense if you got to it through Mad Matrix neutral. Eggman tells Shadow he has no past before the MM boss fight and before Space Gadget Shadow has a flashback to his SA2 "death".
Air Fleet-Hero Mission: Watch as Jason Griffith and his trust confused sidekick, Amy Palant enter the president's escape station to kill black aliens that in no form or fashion have enough height to reach the craft, but Jason wants to kill them all anyway.
@@HarmonyBunny 5:36 I like the music that is playing when Shadow said, "You're going straight to the place you created me from!" That is my favorite bit right there!
Shadow: [Insanely Laughs] Tails: You okay Shadow? Shadow: The pieces are coming together, this "ultimate life form" they keep referring to is the black hedgehog and he died...and I am it's copy. Tails: Hey, that's totally not what I said. Shadow: I must be the android Dr. Eggman created. Tails: What?! Shadow: Then it's clear what needs to be done! Tails: I have no idea what he's talking about! Shadow: Doctor...You're going straight to the place you've created me from! Tails: Hey, wait up! STOP!
Stage 5: Air Fleet 🟠 Mission selected: 🔵 Hero Mission Helper's Name: Miles 'Tails' Prower Target: Protect the escape pod against the Black Aliens Black Arms: 35 Next Stage: Lava Shelter 🟡 Select a Mission 🔴 Activate the volcanic defenses ⚫ (X) 🔵 Find the center of the base
Wait.... Did Tails save the President or sneak the President? Tails, you fail. You fall when you told Shadow to watch his footing :S Man, I'm starting to hate Tails as a partner. He keeps shouting out things Last minute change of heart? :S Wait... The cutscene in the end is got to be the stupidest. How does he figure out he's the copy, yet there wasn't any development leading to that? This is probably why there should be more story development instead of simple path connection.
Why won't Tails stop the Black Arms himself? Why should he need to ask Shadow for help? We have never seen him fight them. Why won't he be braver like his Nintendo Counterpart Tulin?
@wowviewer actually if you go a complete Neutral Game(which consists of a Straightline) Shadow sees an army of Shadow androids then in either that path or another Eggman Tells Shadow he is an android to confuse him like hell. This particular path He concludes he isn't the real thing.
@Kaibaman41 The straight line game I get. There's seems to be a development going on there. But let's say for example you go dark then decide to go to Hero path. There's no connection to him being an android or the real thing when you get to this stage.
That's where the power of headcanon comes in, there would potentially be documentation of Shadow's death in SA2 in a GUN base such as this, and Rouge may have also reported Eggman's room full of Shadow clones to GUN.
@vault3000master If you payed close attention to his play, there is a few things to point out. Check the comments to see the problems (for the most part, story is mediocre unless you're following straight through).
5:31 If Shadow was technically to be built as an android by Dr. Eggman, wouldn't an android, the robot, not the name of the Samsung Galaxy company, be capable of displaying emotions or feelings, since robots aren't capable of emotions or feelings?
"I'm afraid of nightfall, tonight." TAILS. WHAT IN THE HELL. YOU'RE SMART ENOUGH TO MAKE A FRICKEN PLANE BUT YOU CAN'T COMPOSE AN ACTUAL SENTENCE?! (seriously, how could the VA not notice that doesn't make sense?)
“I guess I’ve always taken sunsets for granted. I’m afraid of nightfall, tonight...” Dang, that’s deep, Tails.
How is it that Tails keeps getting scared and yet his Nintendo Counterpart Tulin is a lot more braver?
@@fatalwaffle1715don’t you mean Luigi?
Nvm you’re talking about voice actors
@@Joshua05005 Sonic is copying The Legend Of Zelda. And people say that Tulin sounds like Tails. Especially since they both got voiced by girls.
@@fatalwaffle1715well actually tails used to be voiced by a boy. Also lots of young boy characters are voiced by girls.
@@soundwavetheminiconcarrier I know.
I like how going through this Human Vs Evil Aliens plot line, Shadow suddenly goes "LOOK AT ME, I'M AN ANDROID, TIME TO GO KILL EGGMAN" and leaves the plot in limbo forever
I think you are looking at it wrong like most people.... The game is just a bunch of "What if" stories and if I remember correctly Shadow's main plot(for him) regardless of the path you choose was to fine his identity. He really didn't care about either side...it was all personal gain. Notice that shadow never says I got to save these humans or kill these aliens only the side characters did.
@@thaneros Yeah it's just.... weird for the hero mission to put you on the shadow andriod storyline path since none of the other stages before had anything to do with it.
@@killerratchet1973 Because Heroes kinda left it open for interpretation if Shadow was an android copy.
That's what I love about this game. Shadow can help Sonic and the Humans fend off the Alien invasion, go on a trip down memory lane to remember the promise he made to a loved one to protect humanity, and when he finally lands on the alien base to finish the job... He activates the aliens' defences because FUCK YOU SONIC I'M THE MOST POWERFUL HEDGEHOG IN THE WORLD.
@@bendover2649 That's what I did recently
My favorite part of this mission is just how incongruous Shadow's revelation can be with the plot you've created. Hell, if you went Westopolis>Glyphic Canyon>Prison Island>The Doom>Air Fleet, Eggman has not appeared or even been mentioned once, but all of a sudden, ace detective Shadow opens his third eye and begins his sudden third act crusade against Eggman. It's so nonsensical that I just can't help but love it.
Remember Metal Sonic (disguised as Eggman) telling him in Heroes: "You have no past to remember!" Also remember: he saw a Shadow Android in that game after the Egg Albatross fight. We can assume he's had those recent memories in the back of his mind for a bit.
Also, to even be in Air Fleet, Shadow recently hasn't been much of a hero to keep his mind off the Android idea. To remind himself that maybe he *is* the real deal, and to continue doing what Maria would've wanted. Yeah, he helped Tails, but really only to get the fifth Emerald, and not out of heroism. At this point he's thinking "What does it matter if I help Black Doom or the humans? I *am* an Android after all, and have been ignoring my true objective: the doctor must perish!"
As incredibly narmy as this game is, it still has its moments.
"I guess I've always taken sunsets for granted. I'm afraid of nightfall tonight..."
"Oh man, we're high up! Watch your footing, okay?"
*[Tails instantly drops to his death]*
"I'm not going to let them get away with anymore of their-I'M A ROBOT! YOUR PROBLEM NOW!"
I feel like it would have made a little more sense for Hero Air Fleet to lead to Cosmic Fall, and for Space Gadget Dark to lead to Black Comet. I mean, you could imagine Tails bringing Shadow to space after this to take care of the invasion up there, or Black Doom telling Shadow to come to the Black Comet from the ark; after all, Shadow's already in space, and the Black Comet is probably nearby anyway.
Oh well.
Yes! And how about taking the Dark Mission on Space Gadget also leads to a Blue Falcon fight? :)
@@Werten25 I've always disliked how taking a dark path on lethal highway or death ruins still has you fight Black Bull.
Egg Breaker fights make sense even when taking the dark path because Eggman turns on basically everyone. And Heavy Dog takes place in a twisted memory altered by Black Doom (hence why the level before is called "The Doom").
They really should've had substitute mini bosses for the others though.
They should make it where, in Lethal Highway and Death Ruins, make the Dark missions lead to a Heavy Dog/Blue Falcon fight.
I feel that if they fixed the game up to let the story run more smoothy, the game would be really good.
Yeah basically if you did this on stage hero you basically then go out to kill eggman
I notice that Tails is the only one of the Good guys who deals with the Black arms and Eggman's robots as bad guys. When you're with Espio and Amy, Eggman's robots are the good guys in those missions as well
Tails : You okay Shadow?
Shadow : The pieces are coming together, this " ultimate life form" they keep referring to is the black hedgehog and he died and I am it's copy.
Tails : Hey, that's totally not what I said.
Shadow : I must be the android Dr Eggman created.
Tails : What ?!
Shadow : Then it's clear what needs to be done.
Tails : I have no idea what he's talking about!
Not sure why Tails would stick around for shadow to think to himself but ok
Doctor you’re going straight to the place you created me from!
Aww. Tails' end pose is so cute!
I like the part when Tails go "Oh man we are high up, watch your footing"... and then he totally jumps off the stage like a fool.
Oh Tails, how many times must you die on every Sonic game?
Not enough in my book
None
_"The President is being attacked by the aliens! Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the President?"_
Intro, *Bad Dudes vs. BlackAlien*
**Plays through a level saving the President of the United Federation from evil aliens**
**Monologue afterwards**
"The pieces are coming together. This "ultimate life form" they keep referring to is the black hedgehog and he...died! And I'm its copy!... I must be the android Dr. Eggman created!"
...what a...twist?...
"NICE MOVES SHADOW!"
apparently standing still and pressing a gun trigger is a nice move to Tails.
(Tails) SHADOW, NO!
3:52 Tails: Oh, man, we're high up! Whatch your footing, okay?
Also Tails: 3:56
5:01 What was Shadow laughing about right there?
4:38 to 4:50 The most adorable victory pose Tails has ever done and I love it it's just so cute😄
4:39
Tails doing double peace sign and sticking his tongue out XD
he's smiling with his mouth open-
Where in gods name did all those missions suddenly result in him thinking that he was a damn "copy"? xD
It’s funny, because if you came from the dark mission on Prison Island, Eggman hasn’t even appeared yet.
I am glad Tails got to see what he wanted to see: The Black Arms being killed by Shadow.
"You're going straight to the place you created me from"
While I *KNOW* he means Hell - *WAY* too scary! - I ask myself: "Wait! So, you're sending Eggman to.... Space Colony ARK???"
There's three pathways towards this stage where you don't even LOOK at Eggman and still come to the conclusion that Shadow is an android. One of them is this: 2 Neutral, 1 Dark, 1 Neutral, then in this stage, Hero. Not a single eye laid upon Eggman, but he still believes he's an android. Why did SEGA make Shadow so naive in this game but not in future games!?
yeah, it makes little sense why you'd go after eggman from this stage and space gadget.
@@darthutah6649 SG makes at least SOME sense if you got to it through Mad Matrix neutral. Eggman tells Shadow he has no past before the MM boss fight and before Space Gadget Shadow has a flashback to his SA2 "death".
How exactly did Shadow come to the conclusion that he's a motherfucking robot?
Air Fleet-Hero Mission:
Watch as Jason Griffith and his trust confused sidekick, Amy Palant enter the president's escape station to kill black aliens that in no form or fashion have enough height to reach the craft, but Jason wants to kill them all anyway.
Funny, because Jason Griffith voices both Sonic AND Shadow.
@@HarmonyBunny 5:36 I like the music that is playing when
Shadow said, "You're going straight to the place you created
me from!" That is my favorite bit right there!
Spoiler alert at: 5:05 there are some of the flashbacks from Sonic Heroes and Sonic Adventure 2!
Shadow: [Insanely Laughs]
Tails: You okay Shadow?
Shadow: The pieces are coming together, this "ultimate life form" they keep referring to is the black hedgehog and he died...and I am it's copy.
Tails: Hey, that's totally not what I said.
Shadow: I must be the android Dr. Eggman created.
Tails: What?!
Shadow: Then it's clear what needs to be done!
Tails: I have no idea what he's talking about!
Shadow: Doctor...You're going straight to the place you've created me from!
Tails: Hey, wait up! STOP!
5:01 That laugh!
Stage 5: Air Fleet 🟠
Mission selected: 🔵 Hero Mission
Helper's Name: Miles 'Tails' Prower
Target: Protect the escape pod against the Black Aliens
Black Arms: 35
Next Stage: Lava Shelter 🟡
Select a Mission
🔴 Activate the volcanic defenses
⚫ (X)
🔵 Find the center of the base
1:08 the black arms are that way so technically it wouldn’t
Tails: "Excellent!"
Lee Chaolan: "That's MY line!"
LOL
5:17 Okay...Shadow realized all of this all of a sudden because...the writers needed it to happen.
Tails's Cute Victory Pose.
This is one of my favourite missions.
Why would Shadow want to kill his creator?
5:28 No You're Not
You're Actually Shadow The Hedgehog Created By Gerald Robotnik
Wait.... Did Tails save the President or sneak the President?
Tails, you fail. You fall when you told Shadow to watch his footing :S
Man, I'm starting to hate Tails as a partner. He keeps shouting out things
Last minute change of heart? :S
Wait... The cutscene in the end is got to be the stupidest. How does he figure out he's the copy, yet there wasn't any development leading to that? This is probably why there should be more story development instead of simple path connection.
Is it just me, or did letting Tails take damage boost your dark score a little bit?
Just you.
In what context? Let Tails attack the enemies himself or Shadow attacking Tails?
I'll assume it's the latter.
@@HarmonyBunny Shadow can't attack Mission characters, or vice versa. Only sort-of exception is Sonic when fighting Diablon.
Why won't Tails stop the Black Arms himself? Why should he need to ask Shadow for help? We have never seen him fight them. Why won't he be braver like his Nintendo Counterpart Tulin?
@wowviewer
actually if you go a complete Neutral Game(which consists of a Straightline) Shadow sees an army of Shadow androids then in either that path or another Eggman Tells Shadow he is an android to confuse him like hell. This particular path He concludes he isn't the real thing.
@Kaibaman41 The straight line game I get. There's seems to be a development going on there. But let's say for example you go dark then decide to go to Hero path. There's no connection to him being an android or the real thing when you get to this stage.
That's where the power of headcanon comes in, there would potentially be documentation of Shadow's death in SA2 in a GUN base such as this, and Rouge may have also reported Eggman's room full of Shadow clones to GUN.
Lava Shelter
Dark route:th-cam.com/video/VQNiSRGphr4/w-d-xo.html
Hero route:th-cam.com/video/BiIwa5u4Xdk/w-d-xo.html
@Triggard Because alot of the missions in the "middle/neutral" story path deal with why shadow thinks he's a copy.
So you go from a gunship to a egg volcano base
@vault3000master If you payed close attention to his play, there is a few things to point out. Check the comments to see the problems (for the most part, story is mediocre unless you're following straight through).
Favorite stage in the game.
5:31 If Shadow was technically to be built as an android by
Dr. Eggman, wouldn't an android, the robot, not the name of
the Samsung Galaxy company, be capable of displaying emotions
or feelings, since robots aren't capable of emotions or feelings?
What ever happened to the SMW Rom Hacks man, those were the best things to watch.
Stage 5 Cleared! (Hero Mission)
Hero Score 19,550
Dark Score: 1,360
Normal Score: 880
Time: ⏱️ 04'13"22
Rings:💍168
Time Bonus: 29,760
Total Score: 48,830
Ranking: A 👍
@leopold9
If you go by that logic, then some games have ordinary men that can basically stop time for everybody but themselves.
if only I could get the Dolphin Emulator to work
@leopold9
When you pull it 8 times in a second, you're pretty impressive.
"I'm afraid of nightfall, tonight."
TAILS. WHAT IN THE HELL. YOU'RE SMART ENOUGH TO MAKE A FRICKEN PLANE BUT YOU CAN'T COMPOSE AN ACTUAL SENTENCE?!
(seriously, how could the VA not notice that doesn't make sense?)
He probably meant that he was afraid of THIS nightfall, not every night-
Awesome Video!
@Veghelia excuse me Mr. Veghelia, but you happened to spell the word "first" incorrectly
@MarioMastar Yeah lol. All those characters is so annoying it almost feels like you want to punch them to shut them up (most, not all).
@MalvickCo That one cutscene is really all we get?
5:00 what's so funny?
I don't believe Shadow is a Android.
at 1:08 close your eyes
@Masterhand1027 *sings the Avenue Q song "Everybody's Just a Little Bit Racist"*
@LaughingThesaurus that's what I'm talking about
0:11 When BLM storms the white house
Bruh! That's racist!
Dude, not cool. 😠👎
This is a screwed up comment.
I love it. Dark humor all the way.
4:12 CAMERA
FURST!
@LaughingThesaurus already been done by other characters... LOL
@Masterhand1027 How is it racist?
Uh, not to be perverted but "Do it Shadow, do it!" just doesn't at all sound nice....
You have dirty mind
Tails is more annoying than usual...