Fix Thermal Throttling on Your Mac?!
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Last week's video addressed thermal throttling that some of Apple's computers suffer from. Inadequate cooling has hampered the performance of MacBook Pro and even iMac. Snazzy Labs' Quinn Nelson takes on the task of cooling down his MacBook Pro to keep the fans quiet, temperatures low, and CPU performance high.
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I think you already proved that putting the Mac in the freezer can easily boost your rendering times... So moving to Antarctica could be a viable alternative?
+Budget-Builds Official I hear the summers are lovely.
Is Quinn Gay or is he just over acting nowadays?
I wonder if frozen ice cream would work decently as a thermal conductor... It would be cool for a little while I'm sure.
creep he's Mormon so take that as you will. My bf was mormon before he had me
getting a better laptop sounds pretty reasonable if you can afford a Macbook xd
I love that you quote Linus Tech Tips; what I prefer of youtube is the connetion between yotubers, while in television rival channels act like they don't know each other, in youtbe there are no rivals, but friends. Really really like
So I ordered Grizzly Kryonaut (I live in Germany and it is a German product, so it is actually cheaper here) and replaced my thermal paste on my mid-2013 MacbookAir. I also Geek-Benched my Mac before and after, and for good measure, I also used third party software to control the fan speed. First, I tested it with the fan set to auto and the 2nd time with the fan speed set to max. The results were really interesting. Before replacing the thermal paste, I got 2617 (auto fan) and 2963 (max fan). After cleaning out all of the dust in my MacbookAir, including the fan and replacing the dry and cracked thermal paste, my scores improved but changing the fan speed NO LONGER HAD ANY EFFECT, I got 2972 (both with the fan set to auto and to max). I didn't believe that thermal paste would make such a difference, but it did! More interestingly, increasing the fan speed only had an effect on the old, dry OEM thermal paste. A~10% improvement for $7-$8 USD is not bad. Color me amazed. Definitely recommended!
I just replaced the thermal paste of my 2011 maxed out 15 inch macbook pro, its was 8 years or intensive use, 12-14 houres a day running, editing photos and videos, sending emails and running my photography bussiness. My Gpu died in 2014 even after apple fixed it for free, i managed to disable the dedicated gpu so i could use my pc and so i did (only runs with the intel GPU). My computer had sooo much dust, the heatsink was completly full of dust and cotton. One of the fans couldnt even spin ver well. My computer now fells wayyyy faster and much much cooler and quieter. Im going to wait for the new 16 inch macbook pro and im going to sell this trusty machine that has been with me for everything. Btw when rendering i always pushed the fans to the max speed for faster speed and i still do that. I guess i never cleaned it out cuz i need the pc running every time im free and im not working.
@@rodrigo4379 so did u get a new one?
Please stop stylzing your bar graphs to the point that they are difficult to understand without pausing the video. Top to bottom, left to right. Don't do this weird folding thing anymore please.
Wes W I didn’t need to pause the video.
Wes W Yes, good data plots should be easy to understand. When you add to much fluff people like myself don't even care to try and understand what's going on
yeah, especially with the colors he used, it's very difficult to visualize
This is the first time I've stylized bar graphs but I won't do it in the future. Cheers.
Thank you!
Hmmm...this is tempting to try
zollotech *waiting for snazzy to respond to your comment*
+zollotech Give it a shot!
Snazzy Labs yep called it.
Maybe, just maybe Apple will not find out, so the warranty will not be voided.
Honestly, why did apple go cheap on the thermal gel...
I tell no lie. this is the first time I've seen someone say thermal gel lol
Waiting for apple to take your idea and the inevitable "new MacBook pro 2018! Using a revolutionary engineering process, our product is now 9% cooler and 20% more expensive"
jiv32 stop giving them detailed ideas.
They advertised this thing as having an “Advanced Thermal Architecture” lol
+Chris Cheng They do. Which is just hilarious.
Dissipating a dozen or so watts on this tinee tiny heat synk is very impressive. Certainly they could have done a much better job if it was their goal.
+Snazzy Labs or just very sad, considering people (especially Apple buyers) believe this shit.
That heat pipe couldn't keep a Pentium 1 cool, what a disgrace.
victornpb not really. The fact that it hits those temps with it's processor choice compared to some laptops which are passively cooled (albeit with half the spec CPU thermal wattage). Most oversized heatsinks on desktops are designed for less than 80c at load OC with a chip producing about 10× the thermal waste quieter than a laptop.
Apple be like: want to edit 4K videos on that? Go North of the Wall
My 2012 Macbook wasn't even able to edit 1080p video, without seriously overheating....
@@kennikuhlmann-clark9860 I have a 2012 mbp - I still edit on it fine
it gets hot sure, but it works
spend money on a premium product you would think they would use premium thermal paste...
I dare anyone to give me an excuse that Apple couldn't have spent an extra 5 cents per computer on better thermal paste. Great video.
Garirry MacBook Pro 13" = consumer laptop.
Garirry
5 cents on a thermalnpaste is probably a crappy thermal paste
Do think of it as 1dollar per computer
Think of it as making more money for apple
That’s what they want
Let’s say thay a MacBook Pro fully loaded cost 2 grand th manufacturing for it cost 1 grand and they sold 1 million of them if they spent that extra the manufacturing of it is going to cost 1001 dollars per computer
If apple did spend it they are going to make ( a number that calculator app says as 1.001e9)
If they didn’t spend it it’s going to be ( a number that apple reads as 1e9)
The shitty fact is, Apple won’t spend a few extra dollars on it. Even though they’re a billion dollar company. That’s how shitty it is. They don’t care about quality. Just quantity
Planned obsolescence. they want you to buy the newer macbooks and not reply on your older system.
Apple stockholders.
Quinn you should put this on another level like building your own heatsink for the macbook.
Long Le cost to much to design and create
No space.
Can you do a video running this final cut test using different cooling pads or external fans? I'd be interested to see if something like that could get the machine cool enough to never thermal throttle.
Tell us something what we can do normally without taking my macbook apart.
I sit my entire macbook on a Sonnet pcie thunderbolt chassis, which has a fan cooling it. It makes a massive difference to the performance. When I'm working away I often just grab a kitchen pot and sit the computer on it to help dissipate heat from the chassis.
Be interesting to see an actual comparison of this kind of thing.
Props on the dis-assembling your mac twice. On another note I suppose I'll have to keep my i7 PC to render stuff. :)
Perfect! Where do I send mine for you to give it similar treatment? 👀🌬🌨
I replaced the thermal paste on my late 2013 MBP. I used Gelid Extreme and it helped improve overall CPU performance. I noticed this mostly in Serato DJ Pro software when analysing audio for critical data to aid mixing.
your graphs gave me a headache, dont use those again pls
those graphs were super awesome
Gotta agree with that. I'm colorblind and the way those graphs were presented was disorienting.
I can't argue with the colour blind comment, but I can say I strongly disagree with OP. I liked the style of these graphs and they were super easy to read and follow.
It's funny how people like you become douchebags on the internet. I'm sure you'd formulate your sentence a lot differently if you had Quinn in front of you.
Bitch that you are.
Noted. Will go for something more simple in the future. Thanks for the feedback.
This really works! I changed stock thermal paste to Thermal Grizzly around 2 months ago and my Late 2013 15 Inch MBP works fine now. Before that it was always overheating even when watching youtube videos in high res.
Wow.. that's a lot of work, and like you said, it's not for everybody to strip down their mac. There are a lot of connectors and screws and things can go wrong very easily. I am impressed that you took the time to do all this work and document your results. Thank you !!!
Asim Ali Cheers!
was gonna dislike for "cool dog," but I like your videos too much...
+David F Please forgive me.
Snazzy Labs, 😢 😢 😢 😢 😢
Can you test the touch bar version with two fans? I am curious is it any better than non touch bar version.
I have tried that on my Asus Q551L a month ago with a Noctua thermal paste. No temperature difference. Turns out Asus already uses a good thermal dissipation solution.
Félix Batista Sorta depends.
Higher end laptops usually have a good thermal paste application and quality out of the factory and gaming laptops usually already have a very beefy cooler such as the RoG laptops and the multi-heat pipe array of some MSI laptops like 7 on the GE63.
I just did this on my 2012 15" non-Retina MacBook Pro, two days ago. Removed the stock - and totally dried, for the mention - thermal paste and applied a new one; an ordinary, non-special compound? Yeah, but at least it's brand new. Any difference? For me... none at all.
Now I'm ordering a decent compound like the ones shown on the vid and I'll repeat the process on my machine, see if I get any improvement this time.
UPDATE: I bought an Arctic MX-4 tube and replaced my MacBook Pro's thermal paste once more.
Today (Sep 13th) the weather is hot as hell, here in Brazil (Jundiaí / SP, precisely) - about 32ºC. Rendering a 4K video in Handbrake using SuperHQ 1080p30 preset, my Core i7-3720QM temp peaked at 102,4ºC, stabilizing at 98... 97ºC, fans at 5500 rpm (below its maximum - 6200 rpm) and no Thermal Throttle. In fact,, the MacBook continues to heat up as a burger plate but it was worth the job; happy to know there'll be no performance decrease, at all.
Next time, I'll collect idle temperatures and repeat the rendering test in a much colder day.
Good job Snazzy! Kryonaut is the best paste for low wattage CPU's in my testing. IC Diamond follows second.
Liquid metal is great too but most of todays laptops have their fans curve scale with temps ultimately nullifying Liquid Metal. Plus the prep work is more than the average Joe would attempt.
+Bob Of All Trades Very true. Thanks for watching!
Grizzly Kryonaut worked well on my MBPr 15" Mid 2015 where the lowest temp was 48C where prior to that it was at 61C. However, it didn't work well with my MBPr 13" Early 2015. What works though was the Arctic MX-4. The lowest temp that the book is getting now is 46C and prior to that, it was at 70C.
And yes, changing the thermal paste on a MBPr 15" is not an easy feat compared to the MBPr 13".
I always use Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut it's the best paste you can get !
+InsideByte I won't be using it again. Too expensive for such a marginal improvement. MX-2 has my heart.
well it's the macbook's heatsink thermal transfer limit that causes the marginal improvement, the heatsink just can't transfer heat any faster, so the MX-2 makes more sense. A grizzly is much better when used with large tower heatsink or GPU.
The only thing better would be a liquid-metal TIM, but seeing as the chassis is aluminium, it might not be a good idea to use a Gallium based TIM. Not to mention its also extremely conductive, expensive, & difficult to apply. Then top that off with such a pathetic heatsink, its not worth the extra cost or effort...
you'd almost be better off applying some TIM between the heatpipe and baseplate... lol
Reka Primasetyo thermal grizzly is not that much better than artic mx4. i tested both on a hyper 212 evo and a fx8320 @4,6ghz and grizzly is 2 or 3°c better at best. not worth the difference in price
Nah
The two best choices in terms of value and performance are
Noctua nht-1
And
Coolaboratory liquid pro
The liquid pro is the best solution on the market.
It's used for CPU delids and in world record attempts.
But it isn't paste
The nht-1 compound has been determined as the best thermal paste before you get into things like liquid metal.
Consider liquid nitrogen and snowpants
I found your videos a few days ago looking for MacBook Pro 2017 reviews and man I have to tell you that it's such a pity I haven't discovered your videos earlier. Dynamic, interesting and well explained you've won a new subscriber :) Really good job :D
Re applied on a MacBook air and discovered that apple only put thermal paste on one of the thermal points (there were 2). Same thing on a second MacBook air I did...
That's an awesome way to do bar charts. May steal for my work reports. Only improvement would to be to make the bars connect (aka the upper category is left bar and bottom category is the right-most bar).
Would you consider trying this with liquid metal, for SIENCE?
You'd have to look into what metals your die caps and heatspreader are made from (likely nickel and copper respectively) since gallium doesn't play nice with aluminium, but I'd love to see if it's possible and how large the improvelemts are.
dont do it
Before I got a gaming PC, I was rocking a MBP 15inch 2015. And it runs HOT! 100 Celsius when playing forza horizon. So what I did is open the macbook pro, use macsfancontrol to set to 6200rpm, and put it in a mini fridge, while have a hdmi cable sticking out of the fridge to connect to the monitor. Then my framerate boost from 45 fps to over 80! And I'm surprised that the MBP still works just fine after 2 years in the fridge.
seriously
Thomas Barton
Sure it would, it's not like there's some random energy law stopping a fridge from cooling things
aidan c. A fridge is really not designed to cool a constant heat load.
Yes, it’ll cool your system, but it won’t be happy doing so.
I'm using a 12 years old fridge, so I won't mind to stress it to get better performance on my Macbook Pro. Plus, we already got a brand new fridge to store food.
Jack Jin I personally use an aluminum pad with 3 fans places directly underneath my ASUS RoG GL502’s intakes.
Combined with a custom fan curve, average temps in Horizon 3 was around 80 degrees, with the GPU being much lower (around 69). Both were maintaining turbo clocks and running at 90+ FPS on near-maxed settings (turned AA down to 2x MSAA and used MFAA instead).
I would differ on this not being something one can do, even if this seems trepidatious for most users. From the looks of it, that thermal paste of a 2017 15" MacBook Pro matched the look of my 2010 15" MacBook AFTER I changed the thermal paste on my Mac in 2016. Six years worth of use and the original factory paste looked about the same as yours did in less than a years worth of use. Let that sink in. .
I did this to my 2010 Macbook Pro. Fan used to be running 100% most of the time, and it probably was thermal throttling. Now the fan only kicks in when it's doing intensive work.
snazzy labs: tells us clever techniques for cooling down system
me: just moves to antarctica
You can undervolt your macbook with a program called Volta.
As long as you don't undervolt so much that you system gets unstable, undervolting will make the cpu produce less heat.
I have mine at -90 mV, and it definitely throttles way less, especially with longer usage
You've been making such great content for quite some time now - well done mate!
When Apple decides that acoustics > performance. No laptop should ever thermal throttle under a normal heavy load like video editing, especially a Mac since most Apple users use Macs for creative purposes. I believe Final Cut Pro is the best video editing software for people who need to edit on a laptop due to background rendering. Make the laptop half a cm bigger, put a bigger battery and more thermal cooling into the laptop so performance doesn't suffer. Have the fans spin as low as they can, but when the cpu temperatures are around 70 start increasing the rpm.
D.O.A. I don't get it, pro = professional, so most pro users would be using video editing and photo editing. I can almost guarantee that most pro users would rather have a thicker laptop that will never thermal throttle with a 100% cpu load. With a thicker laptop, more battery, so longer editing times off the charger, lower fan speeds at idle cpu usage, and overall better laptop sacrificing only two minor "drawbacks" being acoustics and size.
What if you apply non-conductive thermal paste (or thermal pads) to the top of the heatsink as well and use the bottom of macbook as a large heat spreader? It already gets plenty hot as you said so if that's unavoidable then how about figuring out a way to use it as a large heat spreader?
Thats what I do. But I added copper sheeting to the bottom of the macbook so there was even more area for the heat. -edit- forgot to add, when traveling or at home i use this slim simple "thermal pad" thats basically an aluminum grid, with plenty of holes so the macbook is off the surface and allows more air to flow through, and it has a button to turn on/off a series of fans, large fans with slow rpm can also be used, but they increase air flow. On its own i noticed this helped the macbook with not throttling but along with upgrading a replacement better thermal paste (next time ill add crushed diamond powder) and adding the copper sheeting to the bottom (inside cover) of the macbook body shell, it rarely throttles now :)
@@kuzadupa185 nice! Just watch out for battery temps, seems that's the con of this idea lately
@@djw1091994... i feel pretty foolish realizing i had not thought of this obstacle... i suppose im feeling even more foolish admitting to someone on yt! Haha, but now that youve made me aware of it, im going to revisit the project with the temp. Of the battery in mind. I suppose its been simple blind luck, and completely accidentally, enough air flow preventing the battery from overheating, thats kept the macbook chugging along. Luckily i enjoy these sort of "customize your hardware" style projects!
@@kuzadupa185 Hey I mean props for admitting faults, that's rare quality these days. Macs have tons of ambient temp sensors, you can use utility apps to see the various component temps. I use iSTAT Menus. My M1 Max 16" MBP has a battery temp sensor. In a 75F room the battery is currently at 89F while the CPU is at 128F. The fans are off. Based on the bars next to the sensors, I think the fans will kick on to make sure the battery stays below 100F. Maybe 110F? Not that the battery will cease to stop working at 110F but probably doing permanent damage at that point? According to Apple's website my specific model has a max operating temp of 95F and a storage max temp of 113F. Absolutely no idea what that means, there are many environments above 95F. Like sitting at a coffee shop in front of a window on sunny day, or working outside, or if you live in a dessert climate. I suppose my fans will try to keep it under 95F and in machines with no fans it will throttle? My battery is 90F as I write this with my laptop on my lap and plugged into the wall, the fans are completely off and haven't turned on after 5 hours of work.
@@djw1091994 Ive always felt the quicker I admit to a mistake the sooner I can learn something new. Rather focus on the new knowledge vs on hiding some mistake. Appreciate your comment and the info about iStat. I think storage temp is just like you describe it, when device is off but being stored somewhere like a shelf or backpack. But off. Im more worried about damage to the battery due to extreme temps, in this case, high heat. Nothing worst then trying to improve one part of a devicr only to damage another part! Although now im curious about using some extra heat reflector fabric I have saved over when I recently installed it as insulation in my attic (summer temps used to reach in the attic of above 110, now they float just below 100, and thats with just the reflection of ambient heat), maybe I can insulate/cut off the battery and the heat it makes on its own, away from the heat made by the other portions of the macbook...
Anyway thanks for the info and rare patience & knowledge. Goodluck with your proejcts!
Laser cutting in the bottom shell an air vent for the fan would've been too much? Even test it without the bottom pannel would've been nice just to see if intake fresh air directly helps. Also, for that thing, liquid metal can only save it.
Another good video sir. Considering the age and use my older MacBook Pro gets. This may actually be a worthwhile move. But, of course results will vary. LOL
Another thing you could try is undervolting the cpu to reduce the heat out put
MrCutlerycrazy its a mac you can’t
TigerTechnology voltage control would be done in the bois not the OS so I wouldn't be so sure
MrCutlerycrazy I couldn't do that on my HP laptop.
It’s simple to do on Windows via Intel XTU.
I don’t know any alternatives for the Mac
D13H4RD2L1V3 That i can do.
I'm not sure if you'd be interested in doing this, but there is a method for de-lidding (removing the metal cap above the cpu) and replacing the compound with liquid metal compound). This makes a dramatic difference on overclocking 7700k to 5.1ghz. And lowers temps by 20+C.
It's much more difficult/risky to do, but I'd be very interested to see the results! 😁
Mobile CPUs do not contain "lids". They are un-lidded from the factory
only one thing left to do for the adventurous -- de-lidding your cpu while it's soldered onto the motherboard, adding liquid metal, re-lidding - voila, done, we are cruising at 60C ! DerBauer and Steve, we might need your help lol
Switching back to Windows Laptop next month, but going to keep watching your videos. great stuff
What about laptop cooling platforms? Those USB powered stands that contain as many as 6 fans that constantly blow air into the underside of the laptop? Would that make a noticeable difference?
Dave Gerhart yeah I would have liked to see him do some more testing with different cooling methods. Also what about different workloads, like gaming.
Dave Gerhart the problem is MacBook don't really have any air vents. Those cooling pads work on laptops that have air vents underneath it, but the MacBooks don't. Something that might work Is literally a big metal pad that gets really cold (10c?) so the heat will be transferred from the laptop onto the pad, like a big heatsink
This will do the most, in almost every case. As it's the limiting factor preventing the heatsink being as efficient. Which more airflow helps with, but needs this step to make the biggest difference
To what USB port are you going to connect that on the 2017 MacBook Pro?
Since macbooks are made out of aluminium, the chassis also dissipates heat. A cooling pad will help, but not much
@Quinn
It is still thermalthrottling...Can you please take the Backcover off and check temps again. Or go Hardwcore and drill a bit hole into the backcover and cover it with some sort of grill like a speakermetalmesh.
This summer I sit in front of a window air conditioner, I have an older Mac, the cool air blows right on my computer. I suddenly noticed that my Mac doesn't even get warm to the touch! At times only slightly warm to the touch. I know they use air conditioners on the really big computers. Maybe you could use it on these new Macs.
i know some people will even add paste or thermal pads in between the chassis and the heatpipe for slightly better cooling
After i saw few videos of snazzy labs i am not planing to buy apple computer no more, you are proving the oposite what i thought. I thought they are crazy super special detailist professionals, but now i understand it's just overpricer marketing tool, i gonna miss the os. My MBA air CTO13 2016 is getting worst and worst, first year of warranty they changed whole logic board..
Thank you for the short video. I just bought a 2018 base macbook pro 15 for XCode development, hopefully I won't this issue.
I render a lot of video with Handbrake on my 2017 MacBook Pro 13" with Touch Bar (the $1,799 model), and the CPU stays at 90C (not changing fan speed). CPU freq also stays at 3.50GHz, which is the max turbo boost frequency. All measured using Intel Power Gadget.
Man, love these! Favorite tech reviewer on YT!
i switched to windows..after 9 years as an apple fan girl and being a snazzy fan. Just bought an hp spectre x360. i love it. (but this also has a quite a bit of heat)
bro im not taking apart my mac, i just want it to stop heating up so much...
Same 😭🤚🏼
sameee
I couldn't comment below the follow on video. So I am here. In the follow on video Snazzy uses liquid metal instead of thermal paste. You can go beyond liquid metal on the CPU. From the options on a laptop I'm interested in:
Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut on CPU + GPU, and
Fujipoly Extreme Thermal Pads on heat sensitive surfaces
My 13" 2019/2017 Macbook Pro used to throttle and fans would kick in when browsing the news online. I went ahead and repasted it. Paste wasn't the worst application I've ever seen but it was a little crusty already. Now the fans rarely come on.
Nice vid. I don't think I would do that because my MacBook Pro has hardly any slowdowns or heat issues in all of the tasks I do on a daily basis.(1080p editing, web browsing, etc )
mac users: this cooler physically can't cool my computer
also mac users: surely if I replace the thermal paste my laptop will run cooler
I have a 2009 MacBook (6.1) and it thermal throttles in simple day to day tasks, IE Netflix, TH-cam ETC. When I added adequate cooling I went from Half-Life 2 at 10FPS @102 degrees to 30 FPS at 80 degrees. Why does Apple have to have such terrible cooling in their laptops? Is it really worth it to have a thin laptop?
A few months ago, i owned a macBook, and i watched star Wars TFA in FullHD on it. I kept the macBook sitting on my legs. As the movie was done my legs were red and turned back normal 6 days later :P
I have just purchased Kryonaut in a 5.5g tube as i just did my vega 64 build under a custom loop. I also applied it to my spare 3350p PC my mom uses and its amazing stuff the viscocity is perfect.
But why not try liquid metal? Works even better and especially for laptops (yes i know theres a chance of it flexing and the application being ruined) but would be worth a shot.
All in all this is just like intel leaving a big gap between the IHS and die. No matter what paste you use performance will suffer. You want 0.000mm gap and med to high pressure.
I'd love to get some feedback on what I do. I have thin freezer packs that people freeze and put in coolers, say in between layers of drink cans. I have two of them and when the Macbook Pro 2017 gets hot, I simply set it on top of one of the freezer packs on my desk. Within 5-7 minutes the entire Macbook is cold. I have two of them and I just rotate them. The added bonus is that the freezer pack, even when thawed, continues to conduct heat. By the time I stick this thing back in the freezer, it's HOT. Is there any reason I shouldn't be doing this? I've done it every day for two years now with no issues.
Thanks for your video Snazzy! I have the same problem with my new iMac pro. That is so stupid.
My processor just warms up to 95 degrees and the fans wasn't turn faster.
But I don't understand why mac fans control won't work on it.
The app show for both of my fans a minimum speed of 32 and maximum of 16.
And the speed of the fans varies very fast between 236 and 16 000 RPM.
Which is not the case since I think I would ear them if they were running at 16k.
Let me know if you have an idea and thanks for your help!
Happy new year!
Pascal
What I found with my macbook air was that hooking up to a monitor, flipping it upside down on a laptop stand, and putting a ziploc bag with cold water on it worked really well.
Potential problems:
Condensation: The processor is hitting 100 fucking degrees, and the body gets too hot to touch under full load. No fucking way.
Contacting the heatpipes: It would work a lot better if it did contact. However, with the entire bottom of the body covered, that’s still much more area being cooled, since the metal on the inside of the laptop will cool the components it’s very close to just from air.
bro the graphs are awesome
Honestly dude I almost NEVER comment on videos. I stumbled upon this video, and loved it. So I had to let you know.. oh and btw I nothing about computer repair lol. Very informative, easy to follow, use of every-day words, and a cheesy sense of humour but at least its honest 👍
Question:
I DJ for fun, and use a 2017 Mac pro.
Now thats summer (Super Hot), I spin out doors during the day pretty often.
Computer connected to my turn tables/controllers/speakers, etc
The thing gets toooo hot it effects my computer and so it effects the sound (add static thru the speakers).
Sorry for the sob story ^^
You have any recommendations ?
-OZZY
Personally I have replaced my thermal paste with PROLIMATECH PK1, put a drop of fine machine oil on my fans centre pin and I run 4 different options through SMC Fan control. I've been using Apple laptops since 2007 so definitely know that MacBooks can and do get pretty heated. with these simple 'hacks' I've never had any real issues.
Using SMC I have set:
'Default' = 2,000RPM
'Medium' = 3,200
'Higher' = 4,400 &
'Max' = 6,000RPM
When working, depending what I will be doing, I will set it accordingly.
i love your non biased videos. you sir have earned a sub 👍
+Kieran Welcome!
Quinn, what about undervolting? Surely the combination of new thermal paste and undervolting your cpu would yield some noticeable difference.
Awesome work! I love the videos like this. Keep them coming!
Hey Snazzy and everyone willing to do this.
While you are in there, you should apply some thermal transfer tape (thick stuff 3mm) to the back side of the heat pipe on the fan side. The idea is to get the heat pipe in contact with the LARGE ALUMINUM BOTTOM plate of the Macbook. Effectively increasing the size of the heatsink.
You will have to trim some stickers that Apple installed in order to get the thermal transfer tape to directly contact the aluminum but hey, its added cooling too.
Downside? the bottom of your MacBook is going to get hotter faster.... upside? it will take longer to hit thermal throttling.
I never once mentioned I had a 2017 MPB every model is different, as you know...... this means if you are DYI'ing you should know how to measure this. my A1502 needed 3mm and as we know apple can change the design at a moments notice so obviously even if i had a brand new 2018 MPB my advice would be wrong. hence..measure it if you are not sure.
Would you mind trying out a gallium based TIM? Like coollabratory liquid pro. The heatsink and die will not be damaged by the gallium.
My mbp 2016 was getting so hot i couldn’t even watch TH-cam videos on it. Turned out that the fan couldn’t spin freely because of some dust piece or something got in between fan blade and the base. Was pretty easy fix with ifixit tool set, but yeah i agree its not for the faint of heart
Awesome video, thanks a lot for the tests !
i have the latest 2019 macbook pro 13 inch fully maxed out. I have been using it sence december and during winters, it surprisingly never heated up soooo much as it is now in the summers. suddenly, when i open my mac ( not using any heavu applications) it starts to boot the fans and it heats up like anyyything. i am looking everywhere to find a fix
Stick an aio to the underside of the MacBook Pro housing just where the cpu is with a thermal glue or something like that and see how it goes
Glad to see you're back!
Also, your graphs look awesome but are kinda confusing
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I love this channel, but what were you thinking with this bar chart? Bending bars in similar colours? Why would you do that? 😨
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Why not put the MacBook on top of one of those laptop coolers that blows are across the underside of the chassis?
removing heatsink is easier with older macbooks than the new skinny version. I done it many times and to different mac and it always make computer quieter, and run smoothly
quin , would this "Technicaly" void the warranty?
randomrazr Technically yes.
SMC works perfectly for my 2007 iMac,Nice video😀😀😀
What about Apple’s warranty policy? They allow you to poke your nose in the CPU cooling system, specially that the new systems don’t contain any user serviceable parts inside?
Hey Snazzy! could u do a video trying ic graphite thermal pads on a macbook and seeing if it could work as well as the liquid metal?
You know what try some Conductornaut. Since your doing bare die and your heatsink is copper.
Thermal Grizzly Kyronaut is better for direct die. MX sucks direct die due to it drying up way to fast.
I'm legitimately jealous of your life. I wish I knew video editing so I could get hired as a tech reviewer/ journalist.
Thanks Snazzy Labs, this was a super useful video. 😀
Did this to my Macbook Pro 15" 2015 and it kinda worked but i just use an aggressive fan curve to get them fans going lol
Your video edits are cool, nice graphics, etc :) I like the clean look.
+Floris Fiedeldij Dop Thank you!
I would also see the same test performed on an older mac, where the termal compound might be in a much worse condition, maybe on the 2015 model with i7 (more Watts) it would make bigger difference than 9%, just wondering.
well, given that there exist thermal throttling issues that hold back the hardwares on apple computers, i would say snazzy labs is wrong! it IS absolutely worth it to change the paste....more value for the money, besides its incredibly difficult to actually do something that can damage your mac if you careful in the process.....i assemble stuff all the time and i never have any issues because i know what to do and where to do it, so i dont touch anything else.
I would be interested in seeing you do a custom cooling solution for a Mac laptop or tying out Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut Thermal Grease Paste
Hi, thank you for the nice vid. Seen you taking your computer apart for us even with the risk involved is appreciated. But a new question came to mind.
Since the Mac will heat up eventually does installing an i7 CPU will make it faster in rendering then the i5 in long runs or the higher heat from the i7 is worth it?
i have seen copper shims used/ recommended as a solution to help with the thermal problems was wondering if you could test it.
“See you later, folks!” Thank you for bringing it back!!
Dude, I was waiting for this video thanks, I was craving to know if there's any difference and oh boy, I do 3D animation and god I almost kill my 13'' MacBook Pro Late 2013 when I hit 102 C, I might give this a shot!
You said you didn't care so I gave it a thumbs down !!! It felt so liberating!!
+s ga Counts as engagement either way. Cheers!
I put icyhot directly on the CPU.
Am I doing it rite
Hey Snazzy, could do a video on cooling your iMac in some way? The thermal throttling may be less but god does it run hot all the time if you do CPU or especially GPU intensive tasks.