I absolutely love the thoroughness of your reviews. With an IONIQ 5 it's always interesting to see what other OEMs are doing. Over 1.5 years and 12,500 miles of driving, mostly highway, I've averaged 3.6 mi/kWh; and often on certain 200-300 mile drives I've seen 4 mi/kWh (Limited, AWD). Given this is the same exact size as the IONIQ 5, it's pretty incredible to me that it's 400 lbs heavier, has 20% less cargo volume (again, same size), way slower charging than the Korean or german options, and slower performance. It's not horrible like the toyota/subaru/lexus busy forks, but it doesn't feel as resolved as competition that's been on the market for a year or two - and given the pricing, is likely to have a very tough time with the likes of the EV9 since it's already behind the IONIQ 5 and priced at EV9 pricing. But... it's not horrible like the toyota/subaru/lexus which is nice... just odd it's not innovative and new and pushing the boundaries of space, and design and charging like the koreans given Nissan's history with the Leaf.
Sadly, YT allow only one 👍 per video. The combination of tech culture jokes, facts, and informed opinion are just sublime! (Kate - your T-shirt and earring game just keeps improving.)
Hi Guys, thanks for the latest test drive of the Ariya. Living in Belgium, I've was lucky enough to take delivery of aan Ariya in November 2022. It's a front wheel drive model with the larger battery(87kw). For reference my previous car was a Tesla Model S. The Ariya is a "better" car, in that it includes all the creature comforts that worked from day one. Instead of things like rain sensors for the window wipers that have been in "Beta" for six years. The Ariya is slow (compared to the Tesla), but had better range.. At the moment it's 25 degrees centigrade here and I'm seeing consumption of about 15kw/h... Which translates to over 600 km at 90 km/h average. And it has a tow hitch (not an option for the model S) You made an observation about the layout on the instrument cluster, i suspect you need to spend more time with the truly horrible Userguide, where you will find that the information down can be customized, including having a large digital display as opposed to the analogue version you spoke of. Added to this you can reduce the amount of information displayed using the custom menus. Self driving functions are unreliable and in one reproducable situation tried to kill me. I had the choice between several vehicles, all of which i tested, and can say now the Ariya is a very good vehicle, which seems to put me at odds with your evaluation.
Agree, I had a totally different experience. On a long road trip tryout, it was one of the best evs I have tried. If my wife didn't drive, it would be a choice between the Ariya or polestar 2. The Ariya doesn't have the fastest charging power, but you don't lose so mutch because of the charging curve.
Unless I misunderstood, the charging port of this car would be good for NACS. Seems to me, having the port at either the 1 or 7 o'clock position would work best on super chargers.
This was my thought. I am not sure why they didn't think that it would work at Superchargers - unless their concern is that the charge port is not at the corner, but set back behind the front wheel. However, this is not what it sounded like their concern was....
Congratulations to these ladies for saying "we hate this vehicle" without actually saying "we hate this vehicle". Textbook clinic on how not to piss off Nissan so they don't get removed from the future access to media events.
I agree with both ladies, as long as Nissan has been in the EV game their new EV platform should be more powerful, and more efficient than the Leaf platform. When people cross shop the Aryah they will love look if the exterior and interior, but not much else IMO, which is exactly what I would say about many other EVs. There’s something to be said about great software and great efficiency.
Being a Nissan fan, I would buy the Ariya despite its flaws. I love the exterior and interior design. That being said, the deal breaker is the lack of FULL one-pedal driving. My Nissan Leaf can come to a full stop when I lift off the pedal. It's an awesome way to drive. I hope this mistake will be remedied for their next EV.
Itest drove an ariya a few months back, and my tldr experience was "too comfortable, too numb, too much empty space." Coming from a 2011 Nissan leaf that I've owned for 100k miles, I came to expect snappy input response and predictable behavior. The ariya just encouraged much more relaxed driving. Fiddling with the drive modes took too much time, and I miss buttons! I love buttons, and even though I don't use heated seats, needing to go through menus to change various climate control options takes away from my ability to drive. The comfort was impressive, but to do that meant lots of unused space. Foot room where you don't put feet, or dashboard far too far away to reach glove box or climate *haptic* buttons I don't like. This was my first time driving a car that had modern touch screen controls, and I just felt like to do anything, I had to look where I was pointing. For my job that's not ideal. Maybe for some people the brake pedal moving to reflect the current braking input is ok, but I've just come to know by habit how far to press pedals to get the desired input. I want linear response. Ironically I'm in favor of the pedal feel of the Nissan leaf Eco mode. It's linear response from 0-100%. Eventually I did find a drive mode for the ariya that mostly mimics a leaf, but there's too many modes tied to one button that you may or may not easily feel. It's a nice car for people that just want to go from point a to point b in a nice car, perhaps a good luxury SUV feel for business executives, but it is absolutely not a vehicle for those that care about what it's like to drive a vehicle. I had high hopes, but for now I might just look at 2018 leaf or Chevy bolt for future options.
Driving a 2014 24/22kWh Leaf, nowadays a 24/20kWh Leaf. About the Ariya, this was the best review of this car of all I have watched. But too expensive, and not efficient enough.
I want my Leaf to make the noise of the cars in that movie when Arnold went to Mars (Total Recall). Leaving that aside, I love my 60kWh Leaf and like it better than my son's Tesla. Especially for it's display which is visible through the top half of the steering wheel. It is so clear, you can see anything you want at a brief glance. And all controls are tactile including a radio with a tuning nob on the left and a volume nob on the right.
45:13 - no worries Nikki, don't FEAR THE REAPER or the port location. yes that position is for LHD European curbside post charging (ref: Germany) so i guess Nissan just left it where it was even though we don't have much of that here in the States just yet. (unlike Benz EQS) since the Ariya has double doors in Japan, the port flips staying curbside be it a LHD or RHD model (so it seems contrary to popular rhetoric the Japanese aren't "mugs" afterall). fwiw the Ariya's DCFC port here in 'Murica is in the same location as that of the mighty Porsche Taycan. Porsche's second left side/driver side door is AC only (no DC pins).
This seems like the right place to ask. I just got a 2019 leaf. Is it possible that Nissan have made an ev with headlights that are incandescent and don't automatically shut off with the effect of completely drainig the 12 volt battery? It's a great car and performs better than expected but, really?
Really nice review. I too was a bit sad about how the seats and steering wheel heater were set until I stumbled upon hitting the auto climate button again turns the seats on even when they are off. Still would have been nice to have more haptic buttons or alway there setting on screen, but find it is easy once you figure it out.
I really wish the 2WD version of this vehicle was RWD. For comparison, I drove our ID.4 on the highway from eastern Massachusetts to State College PA and back, with 4 tall adults, and we averaged 3.9 miles / kWh going there, and 4.0 miles / kWh on the way back. We did have a spare tire on a rack on the trailer hitch, and maybe this *helped* by improving the aero in the back?
Ariyas are not selling in my area, Northern VA. 30 plus on the lot and they have discounted them $1000 or more already and they just hit the lot 2 months ago? Nissan was too late to the market with this car.
I’ve only seen two on the roads here in Memphis, and I pass by the local Nissan dealership everyday, sometimes several times a day, and I look and don’t see one on the lot. They need to have some in the front of the lot so people can see them instead of all the ICE. The Mercedes dealership always has at least 15 or 20 EQ EVs on the lot when I pass by.
I haven't figured out how to engage e-step in my profile, may be an option but I haven't found it. It also doesn’t like you to put your hand on the top center of the wheel, it tells you to look forward because your arm covers the eye sensor. I really dislike the bells when you drive through construction zones in pro pilot mode and the lane change support cuts in and out.
I test drove the Ariya at Fully Charged Harrogate and was very very underwhelmed, the e-Step ( what was wrong with e-Pedal that it is called in the UK?) was quite frankly terrible, one of our cars is the 40kW Leaf that introduced e-Pedal and it is simply superb it allows genuine one pedal driving, whoever changed this in the Ariya wants shooting! Our main car is the Model Y, it is simply better than the Ariya in every metric except the 360 camera view you get when parking and in over 12 months of use easily averages 4 miles/kWh without trying, AC and heating always on auto.
The charge port is particularly odd considering in Japan they jave a port on either side, one for CHAdeMO and one for AC. And then in Europe I believe it also has 2 ports, one CCS2 (right side) and one plain Type-2 (left side). I guess the American ones are being made in Tennessee so are getting their own tooling and cutting out the second port for cost savings...
yes, i have pics of a RHD Ariya from the big JDM show the 2023 Tokyo Auto Salon (from 2 different sides) and it DOES have doors on both side like a Taycan. i figured (but just a guess) that it was for backwards compatibility with Chademo in the Japanese market.
@@kajko6868 huh, looking at actual press/review photos yeh it appears that UK vehicles only have the one port too (on the left front wheel arch). Weird. I really don't get why they'd bother re-tooling that wing just to save on having 2 ports... But then maybe that does add up in cost...
I have a CHAdeMO question... There is a video of some guy using his home made CCS to CHAdeMO adapter, he described it a purely a proof of concept and pointed out which wires might melt. He only recharged for a few minutes before ending the charge session, before the entire thing melted. But as a proof of concept he had built a CCS to CHAdeMO adapter which worked and he was able to use a public CCS charging stations with a CHAdeMO car. So now there are plenty of second hand Nissan LEAF's around as well as a couple of other CHAdeMO cars. So in terms of the second hand market of CHAdeMO cars do you think these CCS to CHAdeMO adapters will have a real impact? Do you think people will start manufacturing a version of these CCS to CHAdeMO adapters that doesn't melt or catch fire or explode? What advice do you have for people who are considering buying a second hand LEAF?
The charge port might be a carry over from the Japanese market or design center. It would be great for parking meter style street charging in left hand drive countries. Nikki. Do you still have your Mk2 CityStromer VW? That would make a great retro review since it is only one of two cars made for UK. Cheers!
Agree with the pronunciation problem. If they wanted it to sound like "force" they should have just put "ce" after the "4" . "4ce" . But then they needed to have a native English speaker to work out that little nuance, I guess. You I think we're done for, me and my wife...we'd find it really hard to be struggling to get something beginning with 3m/kWh in any vehicle. We're regularly getting 7+m/kWh now the weather is warm, it's fantastic. I'll leave you to guess what ev it is. Clue, it knows how to sing in tune.😁
Yes you're right. I know it's a while since the video came out but I was looking through the comments to see if this had been said. The system relies on pressure gripping the wheel rather than steering input, which is the much safer option. If you're traveling on a straight road you don't want to be turning the wheel back and forth to indicate you're paying attention! Unfortunately it's a problem with reviewers only having a little time to get to know all the details about a new car, they don't find some of the really useful things that the cars have. It's a shame as it can end with an unfavorable review on something that is actually better than they realized 😏
Tesla Model 3 and Y are 400V architectures, and can charge at 250kw. There is more than one way to get fast charging. Also, I'm OK with people wanting SUVs, as long as they are EVs, but better efficiency is better.
When I want heated seats on my model y I press the push to talk button and say '3 pieces of 🥓 bacon on the drivers seat' no ventilation though 😞 the turning circle on the y is a turning globe.
The car not being happy without perfect wheel-holding reminds me of my Leaf, which I call The Annoyotron. Because of all the beeps and warnings it emits frequently, never being happy with my safety.
Nice review TE team. Sad that Nissan did not seem to have their A game on for this. The motorized center console, motorized glove box thing, and the buttons seem gimmicky. Nissan could have saved weight, simplified production, and made things easier to use with some simple choices. The poor one pedal driving is sad to hear. I love one pedal driving in my Tesla and I know a Kia EV owner who loves it on his vehicle. I do fear Nissan is headed for darker days ahead. Sales have been dropping in many markets. I am not sure if they have a good road map for the transition to an EV market.
as a 4 EV family, including LEAFs, its disappointing that the GOM is still there in the Ariya, and no IRA tax credit. Plus Nissan is now in junk bond status so they may not be around to be saved by Ghosn again this time.
Unfortunately for efficiency, the Ariya is a TALL pseudo-Brick, and at 5050 lbs for the Platinum+ e4orce, it’s one very heavy brick. Efficiency is not a realistic thing to expect from this design and equipment level. Heavy bricks are NOT efficient. Does the FWD base model with the larger battery break 3.5 mi/kWh?? Probably the only version that’s got some chance with a lower curb weight.
WHAT IS THAT GRANNY LEAD!? I thought the one my Leaf was huge. Huge box, cable too thick for ludicrous 2000W, oversized plug. But THIS!? Looks like they actually put the charger in with the EVSE. ermah! Hah. I got the same compressor in my MY2015. oBTW: what is that whistling noise? Isn't there software to get rid of those sounds?
I’d be interested in a video around current and future car design. Because car design is a bit of a mess at the moment. Very few ‘attractive’ vehicles. Lots of slab like vehicles, quite a few ugly angular ones, some weird noses, weird backs. Few coherent design trends.
Its the compounded problem of OEM styling on ICE cars looking terrible right now, and them not knowing how to take already bad designs and turn them into EVs. 🤷 Also, at some point a few years ago designers decided that stretching cars in CAD to make different sizes appear like the same "family" was a good idea, and its just not. Its lazy, often looks terrible, and makes the various models difficult to actually tell apart.
As a previous Leaf-owner I can tell you that the Ariya is much more efficient if you drive it correctly. There is so much desinformation here I can not believe it.
How many miles per kWh do you get from your Ariya and how many miles per kWh did you get from your LEAF? And which generation of LEAF was it? Because given the size, the aerodynamics, the larger wheel size and the weight of pack, I can't imagine how you get more.miles per kWh out of an Ariya than a LEAF. ^Kate
@@transportevolved It was a 2020, 62kWh, Tekna and the Ariya is a FWD, 87 kWh, Evolve. You have the silly AWD with 20 inch rims so of course that is not efficient. I can't be bothered to recalculate into miles/kWh because I use the metric system. You just have to take my word for it but the engine of the LEAF and the Ariya are completely different so that is one factor.
We don't get to pick the spec of the review vehicle, the manufacturer does. So what you're saying is we're providing information that's correct for the vehicle we're reviewing, but you don't like hearing it, and so rather than accept that you shout "misinformation". Based on manufacturers efficiency the original LEAF is rated at 34kWh/100 mi (99MPGe), the FWD Ariya at best manages 33KWh / 100mi for the 63kWh pack (101MPGe), but for the 87kWh pack is...oh, look, worse than the LEAF managing 98MPGe. Stunning. In a shocking move, we're both right and telling the truth. ^Kate
@@transportevolved My Leaf is WLTP rated at 185 Wh/km. My Ariya is rated at the same. However it is a bigger car and in real life I get better consumption than I ever did in the Leaf. The original Leaf is a toy in comparision to the latest generation and the Ariya. Also, the charge port is placed on the front passenger side for production version.
I was disappointed to find it was so difficult to find a small, inexpensive, efficent ev to replace my 10 year old Toyota Yaris. I am using the Chevy Bolt even though i strongly distrust legacy automakers.
e-4orce makes it sound like a northern cockney saying, "Ee, its got 4 'orse's" (English translation) "By golly, the blighter is four horsepower." Nissan's PR people need to think twice about names. :)
So if this is left rear charging, then it’s ready for Tesla Superchargers with an adapter or MagicDock. Hmmmm one of the only good things about this car. That phantom brake location would be crazy scary.
So, I don't really consider this kind of car an SUV. Of course I'm coming from a Suburban and Explorer. The R1S I would call an SUV. These types are CUV. You lose real storage when you go from the box to a slope roofline for better aero. As for the large furry animal, Nikki could have brought the furry out
this thing almost looks like the Mustang Mach E's over sized cousin Mo. Every body has gone SUV because of how many Trucks are out there. Bumper to Bumper where Mini vans would go crunch. I still say Tesla or Bust
Q: Is The Nissan Ariya Still One With The e-4orce? A: yes, while not the fastest ship in the Galaxy fitted with only a single Hyper Drive (that accolade still belongs to the Millennium Falcon) young Anakin says if built up with TWIN Hyper Drives this makes for a fine "Pod Racer". cause in the heat of competition it's NOT the machine that makes the difference, no, it's the "Pro Pilot"
Its pretty sad. Dodge and Honda arent even making a dent in the EV space, and neither Ford nor Mercedes are offering a passenger van variant of their commercial vans (in the US). Likewise, startup Canoo doesnt seem interested in actually building the passenger variant of their van and is now talking about bringing out a truck before a passenger van. 🤷 Not that Canoo would be a true minivan as the front seats are too far back to actually accomodate more passengers.
I’ve really had enough of these huge lump of metal SUV car designs. The cabins aren’t bigger they just unnecessarily waste resources, reduce car efficiency and are more awkward to drive. It’s partly the size of the battery and partly a cultural issue. But it’s tiresome!
Sometimes press fleet vehicles are pre-production / production validation units. Since they're basically finished vehicles automakers can't / won't sell, it's useful to get some extra work out of them before they're scrapped. ^Kate
Nissa Arya e-Fourorce... 😆 Some people just don't try to sound out their millenial spellings. 😐 It is nice to see you disagree on certain details of this car, though you do seem to agree that it is a good, though not great car.
Am I the only one hearing a high pitched rattling noise when the car is in motion? As careful as you are about video/audio quality I assume it was real, but you didn’t talk about it. Would be enough to take it off my list.
I still don’t get the colour of this interior or what demographic Nissan was aiming for , it looks like someone when mad with a cue Chalk , it’s one of these models that external colour makes or breaking is looks. My test I got exactly 3 miles to a kwh , the ride felt. Little rolley, the epeddle break is very very disconcerting in fact it would make or break the sale, and the single drive whilst competent feels underpowered
I have this car and agree on the Sport mode fake noise. I wish I could turn it off. Let EVs sound like EVs. Stop trying to add fake vroom vroom sounds to EVs. I'd use Sport mode more if not for the sound.
That’s fair, I suppose, but I’d counter by saying that these exhaustively detailed reviews are what brought me to this channel in the first place. I really appreciate how much more in depth they are, compared to so many channels that just regurgitate the same press release talking points. Might not be for everyone, but they’re definitely for me (and I’m guessing lots of other people.)
I didn't expect Transportation Evolved to make fun of a car company using its literary license with the English language to name its vehicles. When every TE script must be a literary masterpiece. Otherwise. Keep up the good work
Closed my eyes, and I heard two old British aunties nitpicking about the efficiency, or lack thereof, of an EV. Dearies, don't expect miracles from a legacy manufacturer.
Mazda, Toyota and surprisingly Nissan are the bottom of the barrel for OEM EVs. Poor efficiency, performance and charging. Five years behind todays EVs. Absurdly expensive - that model you drove, without IRA rebate, is not recommendable.
Kate's comment about "seems like a car they needed to make, not one they wanted to make" sums up a lot of OEM's efforts.
I absolutely love the thoroughness of your reviews. With an IONIQ 5 it's always interesting to see what other OEMs are doing. Over 1.5 years and 12,500 miles of driving, mostly highway, I've averaged 3.6 mi/kWh; and often on certain 200-300 mile drives I've seen 4 mi/kWh (Limited, AWD).
Given this is the same exact size as the IONIQ 5, it's pretty incredible to me that it's 400 lbs heavier, has 20% less cargo volume (again, same size), way slower charging than the Korean or german options, and slower performance.
It's not horrible like the toyota/subaru/lexus busy forks, but it doesn't feel as resolved as competition that's been on the market for a year or two - and given the pricing, is likely to have a very tough time with the likes of the EV9 since it's already behind the IONIQ 5 and priced at EV9 pricing.
But... it's not horrible like the toyota/subaru/lexus which is nice... just odd it's not innovative and new and pushing the boundaries of space, and design and charging like the koreans given Nissan's history with the Leaf.
Thanks for the thorough review - genuinely considering this car and it’s good to hear all the balanced feedback.
Superb review. The production quality is always on the up and up 👍
Sadly, YT allow only one 👍 per video. The combination of tech culture jokes, facts, and informed opinion are just sublime! (Kate - your T-shirt and earring game just keeps improving.)
Hi Guys, thanks for the latest test drive of the Ariya. Living in Belgium, I've was lucky enough to take delivery of aan Ariya in November 2022. It's a front wheel drive model with the larger battery(87kw). For reference my previous car was a Tesla Model S. The Ariya is a "better" car, in that it includes all the creature comforts that worked from day one. Instead of things like rain sensors for the window wipers that have been in "Beta" for six years. The Ariya is slow (compared to the Tesla), but had better range.. At the moment it's 25 degrees centigrade here and I'm seeing consumption of about 15kw/h... Which translates to over 600 km at 90 km/h average. And it has a tow hitch (not an option for the model S) You made an observation about the layout on the instrument cluster, i suspect you need to spend more time with the truly horrible Userguide, where you will find that the information down can be customized, including having a large digital display as opposed to the analogue version you spoke of. Added to this you can reduce the amount of information displayed using the custom menus. Self driving functions are unreliable and in one reproducable situation tried to kill me. I had the choice between several vehicles, all of which i tested, and can say now the Ariya is a very good vehicle, which seems to put me at odds with your evaluation.
Agree, I had a totally different experience. On a long road trip tryout, it was one of the best evs I have tried. If my wife didn't drive, it would be a choice between the Ariya or polestar 2. The Ariya doesn't have the fastest charging power, but you don't lose so mutch because of the charging curve.
Unless I misunderstood, the charging port of this car would be good for NACS. Seems to me, having the port at either the 1 or 7 o'clock position would work best on super chargers.
This was my thought. I am not sure why they didn't think that it would work at Superchargers - unless their concern is that the charge port is not at the corner, but set back behind the front wheel. However, this is not what it sounded like their concern was....
Congratulations to these ladies for saying "we hate this vehicle" without actually saying "we hate this vehicle". Textbook clinic on how not to piss off Nissan so they don't get removed from the future access to media events.
I agree with both ladies, as long as Nissan has been in the EV game their new EV platform should be more powerful, and more efficient than the Leaf platform. When people cross shop the Aryah they will love look if the exterior and interior, but not much else IMO, which is exactly what I would say about many other EVs. There’s something to be said about great software and great efficiency.
Being a Nissan fan, I would buy the Ariya despite its flaws. I love the exterior and interior design. That being said, the deal breaker is the lack of FULL one-pedal driving. My Nissan Leaf can come to a full stop when I lift off the pedal. It's an awesome way to drive. I hope this mistake will be remedied for their next EV.
You really should not make that a deal breaker. I think the system works better than in my previous Leaf.
With every car review I get polestar 2 commercials 😅
And it just looks so good 😊
And is kond of a hatchback.
I was very interested in this EV two years ago. I'm not any more. Thanks for the deeper feedback.
Great review as always, thank you TE!
Itest drove an ariya a few months back, and my tldr experience was "too comfortable, too numb, too much empty space."
Coming from a 2011 Nissan leaf that I've owned for 100k miles, I came to expect snappy input response and predictable behavior. The ariya just encouraged much more relaxed driving. Fiddling with the drive modes took too much time, and I miss buttons! I love buttons, and even though I don't use heated seats, needing to go through menus to change various climate control options takes away from my ability to drive.
The comfort was impressive, but to do that meant lots of unused space. Foot room where you don't put feet, or dashboard far too far away to reach glove box or climate *haptic* buttons I don't like. This was my first time driving a car that had modern touch screen controls, and I just felt like to do anything, I had to look where I was pointing. For my job that's not ideal.
Maybe for some people the brake pedal moving to reflect the current braking input is ok, but I've just come to know by habit how far to press pedals to get the desired input. I want linear response. Ironically I'm in favor of the pedal feel of the Nissan leaf Eco mode. It's linear response from 0-100%. Eventually I did find a drive mode for the ariya that mostly mimics a leaf, but there's too many modes tied to one button that you may or may not easily feel.
It's a nice car for people that just want to go from point a to point b in a nice car, perhaps a good luxury SUV feel for business executives, but it is absolutely not a vehicle for those that care about what it's like to drive a vehicle. I had high hopes, but for now I might just look at 2018 leaf or Chevy bolt for future options.
Driving a 2014 24/22kWh Leaf, nowadays a 24/20kWh Leaf. About the Ariya, this was the best review of this car of all I have watched. But too expensive, and not efficient enough.
Same here... 86 on the guess-o-meter today. What do you show on yours?
@@cyberoptic5757 living in Europe mine is in km, in summer it often guess at like 140km, but it can not do more than about 120km on a really good day.
Driving a 2016 24/20 Leaf myself. Not down below 9 bars so no free battery replacement - yet. :-(
I want my Leaf to make the noise of the cars in that movie when Arnold went to Mars (Total Recall). Leaving that aside, I love my 60kWh Leaf and like it better than my son's Tesla. Especially for it's display which is visible through the top half of the steering wheel. It is so clear, you can see anything you want at a brief glance. And all controls are tactile including a radio with a tuning nob on the left and a volume nob on the right.
Unrelated to the car, but I LOVE Kate's glasses. So cool!
I appreciate the comment that efficiency is important. OEM's don't need to progressively minimize it.
@@markplott4820 The sink must have sunk into your skull from a great height.
@@markplott4820 Come again? Wie bitte? What? You are not making sense?
@@markplott4820 SPAM-BOT!
@@markplott4820 Pucko!
45:13 - no worries Nikki, don't FEAR THE REAPER or the port location. yes that position is for LHD European curbside post charging (ref: Germany) so i guess Nissan just left it where it was even though we don't have much of that here in the States just yet. (unlike Benz EQS) since the Ariya has double doors in Japan, the port flips staying curbside be it a LHD or RHD model (so it seems contrary to popular rhetoric the Japanese aren't "mugs" afterall). fwiw the Ariya's DCFC port here in 'Murica is in the same location as that of the mighty Porsche Taycan. Porsche's second left side/driver side door is AC only (no DC pins).
This seems like the right place to ask. I just got a 2019 leaf. Is it possible that Nissan have made an ev with headlights that are incandescent and don't automatically shut off with the effect of completely drainig the 12 volt battery? It's a great car and performs better than expected but, really?
Really nice review. I too was a bit sad about how the seats and steering wheel heater were set until I stumbled upon hitting the auto climate button again turns the seats on even when they are off. Still would have been nice to have more haptic buttons or alway there setting on screen, but find it is easy once you figure it out.
You have my sympathy Kate. I have the same problem with passenger nausea. The back seat is an absolute nightmare for me.
Diet and exercise cured mine.
These birds are awesome..... Best review I've seen on this car!
One hand on the bottom of the wheel, grasping the metal ring seems to always work for me when in Pro-Pilot.
Nice technical quality on the video. Content, the story of the car itself, was good, of course. Thanks.
I really wish the 2WD version of this vehicle was RWD.
For comparison, I drove our ID.4 on the highway from eastern Massachusetts to State College PA and back, with 4 tall adults, and we averaged 3.9 miles / kWh going there, and 4.0 miles / kWh on the way back. We did have a spare tire on a rack on the trailer hitch, and maybe this *helped* by improving the aero in the back?
Ariyas are not selling in my area, Northern VA. 30 plus on the lot and they have discounted them $1000 or more already and they just hit the lot 2 months ago? Nissan was too late to the market with this car.
I’ve only seen two on the roads here in Memphis, and I pass by the local Nissan dealership everyday, sometimes several times a day, and I look and don’t see one on the lot. They need to have some in the front of the lot so people can see them instead of all the ICE. The Mercedes dealership always has at least 15 or 20 EQ EVs on the lot when I pass by.
I haven't figured out how to engage e-step in my profile, may be an option but I haven't found it. It also doesn’t like you to put your hand on the top center of the wheel, it tells you to look forward because your arm covers the eye sensor. I really dislike the bells when you drive through construction zones in pro pilot mode and the lane change support cuts in and out.
I have to ask, why are people driving around with their hand on top of the steering wheel? It is a really retarded behaviour!
I test drove the Ariya at Fully Charged Harrogate and was very very underwhelmed, the e-Step ( what was wrong with e-Pedal that it is called in the UK?) was quite frankly terrible, one of our cars is the 40kW Leaf that introduced e-Pedal and it is simply superb it allows genuine one pedal driving, whoever changed this in the Ariya wants shooting! Our main car is the Model Y, it is simply better than the Ariya in every metric except the 360 camera view you get when parking and in over 12 months of use easily averages 4 miles/kWh without trying, AC and heating always on auto.
The charge port is particularly odd considering in Japan they jave a port on either side, one for CHAdeMO and one for AC.
And then in Europe I believe it also has 2 ports, one CCS2 (right side) and one plain Type-2 (left side).
I guess the American ones are being made in Tennessee so are getting their own tooling and cutting out the second port for cost savings...
yes, i have pics of a RHD Ariya from the big JDM show the 2023 Tokyo Auto Salon (from 2 different sides) and it DOES have doors on both side like a Taycan. i figured (but just a guess) that it was for backwards compatibility with Chademo in the Japanese market.
re: "cutting out the second port for cost savings". "NO SECOND PORT FOR YOU...!!!" (Makoto Uchida/Soup Nazi voice)
No double ports in Europe!
@@kajko6868 huh, looking at actual press/review photos yeh it appears that UK vehicles only have the one port too (on the left front wheel arch).
Weird. I really don't get why they'd bother re-tooling that wing just to save on having 2 ports... But then maybe that does add up in cost...
I have a CHAdeMO question...
There is a video of some guy using his home made CCS to CHAdeMO adapter, he described it a purely a proof of concept and pointed out which wires might melt. He only recharged for a few minutes before ending the charge session, before the entire thing melted.
But as a proof of concept he had built a CCS to CHAdeMO adapter which worked and he was able to use a public CCS charging stations with a CHAdeMO car.
So now there are plenty of second hand Nissan LEAF's around as well as a couple of other CHAdeMO cars. So in terms of the second hand market of CHAdeMO cars do you think these CCS to CHAdeMO adapters will have a real impact?
Do you think people will start manufacturing a version of these CCS to CHAdeMO adapters that doesn't melt or catch fire or explode?
What advice do you have for people who are considering buying a second hand LEAF?
Johannes Hübner is the guy and this is his video
th-cam.com/video/tfCaqdUFx3Q/w-d-xo.html
Do you have a link to that video?
The closest I've seen is the work to retrofit a CCS charging system to a LEAF, replacing rather than adopting.
The charge port might be a carry over from the Japanese market or design center. It would be great for parking meter style street charging in left hand drive countries.
Nikki. Do you still have your Mk2 CityStromer VW? That would make a great retro review since it is only one of two cars made for UK. Cheers!
The charge port is perfect for Tesla chargers
Agree with the pronunciation problem. If they wanted it to sound like "force" they should have just put "ce" after the "4" . "4ce" . But then they needed to have a native English speaker to work out that little nuance, I guess.
You I think we're done for, me and my wife...we'd find it really hard to be struggling to get something beginning with 3m/kWh in any vehicle. We're regularly getting 7+m/kWh now the weather is warm, it's fantastic. I'll leave you to guess what ev it is. Clue, it knows how to sing in tune.😁
4ce just looks like Four-See-Eee to me. 🤷
Isn't it sensors on the steering wheel, not motion that sense if you have hands on the steering wheel.
Yes you're right. I know it's a while since the video came out but I was looking through the comments to see if this had been said.
The system relies on pressure gripping the wheel rather than steering input, which is the much safer option. If you're traveling on a straight road you don't want to be turning the wheel back and forth to indicate you're paying attention!
Unfortunately it's a problem with reviewers only having a little time to get to know all the details about a new car, they don't find some of the really useful things that the cars have.
It's a shame as it can end with an unfavorable review on something that is actually better than they realized 😏
Tesla Model 3 and Y are 400V architectures, and can charge at 250kw. There is more than one way to get fast charging. Also, I'm OK with people wanting SUVs, as long as they are EVs, but better efficiency is better.
I really don't think the bolt is as cheap as it sold for. I think GM took a bath on that car. Pretty decent of GM for sure.
When I want heated seats on my model y I press the push to talk button and say '3 pieces of 🥓 bacon on the drivers seat' no ventilation though 😞 the turning circle on the y is a turning globe.
Sometimes
Kate scares me.
😂👏👏👏🤣 I absolutely love the scripted star wars references!
Oh they weren’t scripted…
The car not being happy without perfect wheel-holding reminds me of my Leaf, which I call The Annoyotron. Because of all the beeps and warnings it emits frequently, never being happy with my safety.
Nice review TE team.
Sad that Nissan did not seem to have their A game on for this. The motorized center console, motorized glove box thing, and the buttons seem gimmicky. Nissan could have saved weight, simplified production, and made things easier to use with some simple choices.
The poor one pedal driving is sad to hear. I love one pedal driving in my Tesla and I know a Kia EV owner who loves it on his vehicle.
I do fear Nissan is headed for darker days ahead. Sales have been dropping in many markets. I am not sure if they have a good road map for the transition to an EV market.
I like your Star Wars references.👌
#Ariya 😎👌with #e4ORCE 🏆
as a 4 EV family, including LEAFs, its disappointing that the GOM is still there in the Ariya, and no IRA tax credit. Plus Nissan is now in junk bond status so they may not be around to be saved by Ghosn again this time.
Unfortunately for efficiency, the Ariya is a TALL pseudo-Brick, and at 5050 lbs for the Platinum+ e4orce, it’s one very heavy brick.
Efficiency is not a realistic thing to expect from this design and equipment level. Heavy bricks are NOT efficient.
Does the FWD base model with the larger battery break 3.5 mi/kWh?? Probably the only version that’s got some chance with a lower curb weight.
WHAT IS THAT GRANNY LEAD!? I thought the one my Leaf was huge. Huge box, cable too thick for ludicrous 2000W, oversized plug. But THIS!? Looks like they actually put the charger in with the EVSE. ermah!
Hah. I got the same compressor in my MY2015.
oBTW: what is that whistling noise? Isn't there software to get rid of those sounds?
I’d be interested in a video around current and future car design. Because car design is a bit of a mess at the moment. Very few ‘attractive’ vehicles. Lots of slab like vehicles, quite a few ugly angular ones, some weird noses, weird backs. Few coherent design trends.
Its the compounded problem of OEM styling on ICE cars looking terrible right now, and them not knowing how to take already bad designs and turn them into EVs. 🤷 Also, at some point a few years ago designers decided that stretching cars in CAD to make different sizes appear like the same "family" was a good idea, and its just not. Its lazy, often looks terrible, and makes the various models difficult to actually tell apart.
As a previous Leaf-owner I can tell you that the Ariya is much more efficient if you drive it correctly. There is so much desinformation here I can not believe it.
How many miles per kWh do you get from your Ariya and how many miles per kWh did you get from your LEAF? And which generation of LEAF was it?
Because given the size, the aerodynamics, the larger wheel size and the weight of pack, I can't imagine how you get more.miles per kWh out of an Ariya than a LEAF.
^Kate
@@transportevolved It was a 2020, 62kWh, Tekna and the Ariya is a FWD, 87 kWh, Evolve. You have the silly AWD with 20 inch rims so of course that is not efficient. I can't be bothered to recalculate into miles/kWh because I use the metric system. You just have to take my word for it but the engine of the LEAF and the Ariya are completely different so that is one factor.
We don't get to pick the spec of the review vehicle, the manufacturer does. So what you're saying is we're providing information that's correct for the vehicle we're reviewing, but you don't like hearing it, and so rather than accept that you shout "misinformation".
Based on manufacturers efficiency the original LEAF is rated at 34kWh/100 mi (99MPGe), the FWD Ariya at best manages 33KWh / 100mi for the 63kWh pack (101MPGe), but for the 87kWh pack is...oh, look, worse than the LEAF managing 98MPGe.
Stunning. In a shocking move, we're both right and telling the truth.
^Kate
@@transportevolved My Leaf is WLTP rated at 185 Wh/km. My Ariya is rated at the same. However it is a bigger car and in real life I get better consumption than I ever did in the Leaf. The original Leaf is a toy in comparision to the latest generation and the Ariya. Also, the charge port is placed on the front passenger side for production version.
Love your work and please read press release… 🤣😂 serious, keep up the good work and hi from Queensland🇦🇺😃❤️🏳️🌈
Does the ev jaguars cause motion sickness? The wayno experience seemed level to me.
I was disappointed to find it was so difficult to find a small, inexpensive, efficent ev to replace my 10 year old Toyota Yaris. I am using the Chevy Bolt even though i strongly distrust legacy automakers.
e-4orce makes it sound like a northern cockney saying, "Ee, its got 4 'orse's"
(English translation) "By golly, the blighter is four horsepower."
Nissan's PR people need to think twice about names. :)
So if this is left rear charging, then it’s ready for Tesla Superchargers with an adapter or MagicDock. Hmmmm one of the only good things about this car.
That phantom brake location would be crazy scary.
If price was right, I’d be tempted.
look you just "come off the dime" Milhouse Van Houten.
interesting!
So, I don't really consider this kind of car an SUV. Of course I'm coming from a Suburban and Explorer. The R1S I would call an SUV. These types are CUV. You lose real storage when you go from the box to a slope roofline for better aero. As for the large furry animal, Nikki could have brought the furry out
It comes down to the price. The top spec is too expensive.
It's 13 parsecs, Kate.
4 'orse? Only four horse power?! 😂
Is that constant whistling noise coming from the vehicle itself? Sounds like it could be wind noise, but it's hard to tell.
It’s from one of the cameras, sadly - Nikki
@@transportevolved Thanks for the update, I won't hold it against the 4 "orce" then 😅
Thought maybe Nissan had hired a Volvo stylist.
Why not e-4ce then?
this thing almost looks like the Mustang Mach E's over sized cousin Mo. Every body has gone SUV because of how many Trucks are out there. Bumper to Bumper where Mini vans would go crunch. I still say Tesla or Bust
Q: Is The Nissan Ariya Still One With The e-4orce? A: yes, while not the fastest ship in the Galaxy fitted with only a single Hyper Drive (that accolade still belongs to the Millennium Falcon) young Anakin says if built up with TWIN Hyper Drives this makes for a fine "Pod Racer". cause in the heat of competition it's NOT the machine that makes the difference, no, it's the "Pro Pilot"
No frunk! The froot is a fail! Why! The frunk is awesome to have... I can park back in and load the groceries!
I'm not cool with it taking 14 hours to charge with a level 2 charger.
Yes, I wonder if Nissan is being overly conservative by ensuring low charge speeds for the majority of charging which is done at home for most owners?
Besides the VW bus, where are the electric minivans?
@@markplott4820 Those are for tradespeople and delivery drivers, not families. I'm talking about a comfortable family hauler for long range drives.
@@markplott4820 Yeah. I guess I'm just highlighting an area of the car market that car markers eventually need to electrify.
In our dreams, like EVs that weigh less than two ton, and cost less than $50k.
Its pretty sad. Dodge and Honda arent even making a dent in the EV space, and neither Ford nor Mercedes are offering a passenger van variant of their commercial vans (in the US). Likewise, startup Canoo doesnt seem interested in actually building the passenger variant of their van and is now talking about bringing out a truck before a passenger van. 🤷 Not that Canoo would be a true minivan as the front seats are too far back to actually accomodate more passengers.
That whistle @11:00 is annoying! Is it wind? Is it brake squeal???
Nice glasses, the car isn't too bad either
I’ve really had enough of these huge lump of metal SUV car designs. The cabins aren’t bigger they just unnecessarily waste resources, reduce car efficiency and are more awkward to drive.
It’s partly the size of the battery and partly a cultural issue. But it’s tiresome!
Minute 34:00. Pricing $62k. I'm out. Thanks 👋🏼🙂
Saying its better than a bz4x is not saying much. What’s the deal, the Japanese EV’s are all below par, which quite surprising.
Still preproduction? Is on sale here in Europe for a while
Sometimes press fleet vehicles are pre-production / production validation units. Since they're basically finished vehicles automakers can't / won't sell, it's useful to get some extra work out of them before they're scrapped.
^Kate
Nissan - We make cars that make you nauseous. TM
Nissa Arya e-Fourorce... 😆 Some people just don't try to sound out their millenial spellings. 😐
It is nice to see you disagree on certain details of this car, though you do seem to agree that it is a good, though not great car.
How about a sport version ArSForce? 😊
Only 2.9 miles/kWh? Sad.....
Omg e -4 - force 1:26
Am I the only one hearing a high pitched rattling noise when the car is in motion? As careful as you are about video/audio quality I assume it was real, but you didn’t talk about it. Would be enough to take it off my list.
Because it was an external camera mount. - we should have called it out.
I like of like E, for HORSE as a name!
I still don’t get the colour of this interior or what demographic Nissan was aiming for , it looks like someone when mad with a cue Chalk , it’s one of these models that external colour makes or breaking is looks. My test I got exactly 3 miles to a kwh , the ride felt. Little rolley, the epeddle break is very very disconcerting in fact it would make or break the sale, and the single drive whilst competent feels underpowered
The Ariya looks like a toy/cartoon when puttering along alone in the lot with those huge wheels.
I own one. The brake system is suspect
Nothing beats a Tesla
What’s up with annoying whistling on the audio?
We think it was a camera - the windows were closed. - Nikki.
Don't knock Nissan because the Aryia is less efficient then a leaf. They are very different cars
So many other reasons to knock Nissan
@@markplott4820 and the tesla has a crappy ride quality and is made by a racist idiot
It is NOT less efficient than the LEAF. At least not the fwd one.
"efficient" - don't you mean "economical"?
I have this car and agree on the Sport mode fake noise. I wish I could turn it off. Let EVs sound like EVs. Stop trying to add fake vroom vroom sounds to EVs. I'd use Sport mode more if not for the sound.
I have the fwd variant and do not have the sound in sport mode. Hence I believe it can be shut off by software at your dealer.
I don’t care for the “oversized” looking body of the Aryia. But I’m not a fan of SUVs.
TLDW
That’s fair, I suppose, but I’d counter by saying that these exhaustively detailed reviews are what brought me to this channel in the first place. I really appreciate how much more in depth they are, compared to so many channels that just regurgitate the same press release talking points. Might not be for everyone, but they’re definitely for me (and I’m guessing lots of other people.)
i guess they thought it has to eb longer for the algorithim to make it more popular .. i highly doubt it
I didn't expect Transportation Evolved to make fun of a car company using its literary license with the English language to name its vehicles.
When every TE script must be a literary masterpiece.
Otherwise. Keep up the good work
This car has no chance womyn!
Um… is its regen now able to stop the car completely?
Nissan ev is still million times better than toyota 💩
Yes, but that's not saying much 😊
Top of the range car at launch uk was £60k FFS! Sorry but it’s simply not worth the money.
Overpriced, under performs, slow home charging 😤👎👎👎
One plug ladies!!
One plug shall rule them all!
Elon Musk stars in
Lord of the Plug.
I know I am bad but I do not think any of them is a lady…
Closed my eyes, and I heard two old British aunties nitpicking about the efficiency, or lack thereof, of an EV. Dearies, don't expect miracles from a legacy manufacturer.
Mazda, Toyota and surprisingly Nissan are the bottom of the barrel for OEM EVs. Poor efficiency, performance and charging. Five years behind todays EVs. Absurdly expensive - that model you drove, without IRA rebate, is not recommendable.