If the Cockpit Voice Recorder had not been invented, we'd never know why this plane mysteriously dove headlong into the ground shortly after takeoff. This would rank as one of the greatest mysteries in aviation history, and when lots of MD-11s were still in passenger service around the world, this would have been a big problem!
Had this ATC ever told a departing heavy to maintain 1500 feet? Apparently the first officer acknowledged the clearance to 1500 meters, but then his brain switched off and could only think of "1500...ah, feet". A flight level of 1500 feet should have made either pilot immediately call Departure for a repeat.
“How far did he say?? Ahhh, ok....” Pushes aircraft into a steep dive and crashes. Authorities investigate and suggest better training in the metric system. Is this a joke?
I was thinking the same thing, looking out of the window is indication how far the plane is from the ground, no need to put in rapid descent mode especially that low to the ground that offers no chance to recover. The pilot was an absolute idiot
This is officially the dumbest "pilot error" crash I've seen yet. Even if there was confusion over the altitude, what the hell would possess a pilot to nosedive into the ground as opposed to descending at a normal rate?
this was dumb. checkout that one where its just 2 pilots repositioning from little rock to Minneapolis and they decide to see how hard they can push their plane. pinnacle airlines i believe.
The investigation was poorly conducted. As the Korean officials were corrupted at the time. In the CVT the pilots were facing other issuses such as auto pilot malfuntion and controls not reacting correctly to the inputs. Adding this confusion it is estimable that there were mechanical failure. But like I saidd on the top the top Korean investigators didnt wanted to cause any handicaps on development of the industry and therefore simply blame on the pilots by one fact. Very sad for the pilots.
I'm not even a pilot and know you wouldn't throw a fully loaded, fully fueled plane into a crash dive. Too low, too slow, too heavy. Just radio in and confirm.
@@peteconrad2077 Ask yourself what the real Pete Conrad would do. I doubt that his first instinct would be to insult or name-call whenever he was slightly irritated. Let us all try to be a little more gracious in our treatment of others.
It's a shame that several people lost their lives due to a simple misunderstanding. Our hearts are with all the victims, their families and loved ones. R.I.P.
Wow....a lot of questions on that one. Why would they think 1,500ft would even be an altitude they would get after take-off? Why would the pilot take such an extreme nose-dive that they couldn't even pull out of it? Such a weird accident.
I would have asked ATC to confirm my assigned altitude, Its not worth the big discrepancy his F/O was telling him, even if you do get a bollocking for it later, and you could always descend while asking ATC
Fly the plane, then follow ATC's instructions. There's no reason for a commercial airliner to muck around at 1500 feet, or nosedive at a low altitude. The only good thing is they didn't do this with a full load of passengers.
Uh.... As a Korean, it is true that flight 6316 accident is only remembered as a pilot's unit mistake.... It hurts.... I entered the value calculated in m well, and as you can see from this article, the plane couldn't turn and couldn't turn..... I think there was a problem with your aircraft... I’m going to add Korean too This is what I said blog.naver.com/rin10001/221896008010 Flight 6316 Accident Reenactment Video th-cam.com/video/rz1TF0POl1E/w-d-xo.html 어..... 한국인으로써 6316편 사고가 조종사의 단위 착각으로만 기억되고 있는게 참.... 마음이 아프네요.... 기장은 중국에 다녀온 경력도 있고 부기장은 이륙 전 계기에다가 ft를 m로 계산한 값을 잘 입력했습니다 그리고 이 글을 보시면 알겠지만 비행기가 선회를 하지도 못했습니다 선회도 못하는 상황..... 네 기체에도 문제가 있었다고 전 생각을 합니다..... 영어를 잘 못해서 잘못 말한 내용도 있을까봐 한국어도 추가하겠습니다 제가 말한 글 입니다 blog.naver.com/rin10001/221896008010 6316편 사고 재연 영상 th-cam.com/video/rz1TF0POl1E/w-d-xo.html
The first officer already acknowledged the controller 1500 meters, yet he told the captain 1500 feet. The guy clearly had a brain lapse. And the captain then acted like a dummy too. None of their brains were working. Too bad for the flight engineer and the people on the ground.
This is like you're driving your car in a freeway at 90 mph and someone says oh, you should really be going at 30 mph here and you don't question that at all but immediately step on your brake pedal with both feet and pull the handbrake at the same time too
I cant believe a crew would just accept 1500 feet as a plausible altitude and not double check. Then just nose it down and I guess they didnt even throttle back - crazy. Theres probbaly stats out there but it seems there's a fairly good number of Asian airlines with stupid crashes - the failled 777 landing at SFo, the crew that turned off the only working engine by mistake on their turbo prop that then crashed across the road, this crazy crash, and I recall hearing about a China airline crash some time ago when they landed in the middle of a typhoon and it flipped over on the runway.
I come back to this video from time to time to remind myself I'm not a total idiot. Possibly the most upsetting crash, killing five people on the ground aswell.
And even non-pilots (like me) know - in loaded MD-11 you dont adjust altitude from 4500 to 1500 (however wrong that adjustment was) by jamming the yoke to the firewall and entering a dive. WTF flight crew?? It is such an epic glaring error that 'something' else was going on with them (see my comment I just posted at top).
Can't see your comment, T B, cause YT comments don't work that way. If you have something important there, it'd be nice if you pasted it in this thread too. Feel free to call Google a dick for making it this way.
yep all my comments are visible (to me) when I 'log out' can clear all caches and visit the thread as a non-signed in 'surgfer'... so I'm not sure why for some they are not visible.
you know, even if the ground was higher than 1500', shouldn't radio altimeter warnings have been going off? Seems weird that he would dive into the ground like that regardless of any confusion about which altitude he was supposed to be at.
this is literally one of the dumbest reasons to crash your plane, “oh i’m 3000 feet too high? lets just push the nose down causing the plane to reach a decent rate of 30,000 feet per minute”
I have to say, this is the dumbest incident I've ever seen in my life. Those people died because of a ridiculous reason. *"Oh, it was 1500 feet? Let me dive down then.."* Human error, but this is the dumbest human error ever.
The investigation was poorly conducted. As the Korean officials were corrupted at the time. In the CVT the pilots were facing other issuses such as auto pilot malfuntion and controls not reacting correctly to the inputs. Adding this confusion it is estimable that there were mechanical failure. But like I saidd on the top the top Korean investigators didnt wanted to cause any handicaps on development of the industry and therefore simply blame on the pilots by one fact. Very sad for the pilots.
Alec, I have watched your videos for a long time. It has been fun watching your channel grow (my first vid of yours was “ghost plane” when it first came out) and I look forward to seeing a better channel. Thanks for these videos.
Oh my gosh...the worst way to die. Imagine if that plane carried 260 passengers and 10 crew members. So glad that the number of deaths did not reach double digits.
The investigation was poorly conducted. As the Korean officials were corrupted at the time. In the CVT the pilots were facing other issuses such as auto pilot malfuntion and controls not reacting correctly to the inputs. Adding this confusion it is estimable that there were mechanical failure. But like I saidd on the top the top Korean investigators didnt wanted to cause any handicaps on development of the industry and therefore simply blame on the pilots by one fact. Very sad for the pilots.
'Something' else seems almost certainly at play here. Indeed, there was the 4500ft (1500 meters) vs. 1500 ft error by first officer. No question there. But as many have noted, that alone should have had no likelihood to cause crash. It's no different than driving a car, passenger says [incorrectly] "oh we should have turned right at this road we are passing" and the driver turns right at next block [also wrong] but does so without slamming into a tree nonetheless. This was CFIT. What's not noted in the video is that there was some sort of issue or belief of issue by flight crew that the a/c was acting oddly BEFORE the altitude mis-speak and descent. They felt that 'something' was happening with aircraft (I dont know if anything WAS happening with it) but it seems to me the crew were either fatigued, or fatigued + distracted by this mysterious 'issue' whatever it was they felt was occurring, if anything, and THAT (the distraction +/-) fatigue) caused them to effectively 'slam into the tree' when doing so was completely avoidable, ERGO, CFIT. Again, the video is accurate but doesnt touch on this 'other thing' that the crew was discussing - and I believe that this CFIT was partially caused by distraction and or fatigue. Either way, no offense, but REALLY epic fuck up on their part. Gross negligence. I mean I'm no pilot but even I know at 4500 ft in MD11 you dont adjust altitude down 3000ft by jamming the yoke to the firewall given the circumstances HERE. Maybe if you see another a/c directly in front of you, but here - no way. I'm almost surprised the captain made ~12k flight hours (or something such) without killing himself earlier given his epic facepalm here. RIP to the 5 on ground dead from incompetence of flight crew.
why thank you kind sir! I will admit though I can get wordy when I'm sort of mentally 'mulling through' things as I type...good for mulling but bad for resulting in short comments!
As a general rule, when flying in VMC, the average pilot realizes that the reason for a windshield is to look through it, scanning for obstructions such as birds, other airplanes, skyscrapers, and such. Another excellent rule of thumb is that if you see the ground rushing toward your face, you probably ought to take evasive action quickly to avoid becoming a bug smashed against the aft-facing surface of the cockpit. This report makes me thing someone has missed something somewhere. If not this may be the best example of lawn dart aviation since the Wright brothers.
the aviation industry has been standardised to imperial (for some reason) you dont go giving instructions in metric when metric is not the standard used root cause of crash: ATC error
In areas where the ATC provides the altitude in meter (China PRC, North Korea, and Russia), and if the altimeter is calibrated in feet, the pilots use a conversion card for determining the altitude in feet, before dialing in the altitude to the autopilot. The conversion charts are standardized for the airspace and the pilots have to use it.
Absolutely not, a conversion to metres would be the most disastrous thing to ever happen. a 767 nearly crashed when one country changed from lbs to kg.
It was a goddamn aircraft malfunction. The officials didn't even properly carry out the investigation afterwards. Now look. The pilots are ridiculed after the tragic accident.
When I was a refueler we had some 747-200 freight conversions from Air India that had Imperial gauges in the cockpit and Metric gauges on the wings. We had to defuel them all the time.
I don't get why they couldn't level off either. Well, I can if the pilots put their plane in a steep ass dive for some reason. But why the hell would they feel they have to get down 3,000 feet so quickly? For one, they're 3,000 feet too high (or so the captain thinks) yet the tower is not contacting them advising this? If the tower isn't contacting you about something you did or didn't do, then you likely haven't deviated from instructions too badly. Second, a rate of descent at 600 feet per minute would cause them to lose this 300ft of alleged extra altitude over the course of five minutes and would have been perfectly controllable. The plane would have leveled off at 1500 feet and, as I said in point one, the tower would have come on the radio with a polite, "Umm, what the hell are you doing?" when they noticed the plane was not at the right altitude.
Also the MD11 has a known problem with elevator authority aka marginal stabiliser area in an effort to improve performance compared with its DC10 predecessor.
Why use metres, we don't use metres in aviation.. You gotta learn both imperial and metric if you wanna fly, most aircraft fuel is in kilograms, height is in feet and and speed is knots. Don't like anyone wanting us to start using km/h and metres. I'm Australian and I didn't learn the imperial system for aviation to be messed up.
I'm basically just curious. As long as pilots fly me safely from A to B and back I really don't care what you use for speed, height etc. That's your job ☺. Pissing my pants when I hear a pilot say he needs tramadol and will take his first one on his flight the day after is mine. I know the adverse reactions. And how horrible they can be. You do not want to be in the air then. He brushed it off with "it only says something about driving. Not flying. Ergo, it's safe" And no, he wasn't kidding. Made me think of the crash back in the 80's with the captain snorting cocaine all night 😒
No it wouldn't we've used feet and knots for too long in Aviation. Changing would be the most deadliest thing ever to happen. A 767 nearly crashed when we started switching to kilograms. In the end it worked out but imagine a switch to metres. I refuse to ever use metres, one of the reasons is because I spent a year learning the imperial system, and I'm still learning.
What you said is completely wrong... we dont use meters? China and Russia use meters. "Most planes are in kilograms" That is optional. All planes in the US have pounds instead of KGS. And im not sure about Airbus, but all modern Boeing aircraft have the option to display the height in meters as well.
It was cleared to 1500m but the co-pilot thought it was feet and confused captain causing him to descend. What's strange is that field is 10' above sea level, which makes it very easy to interpret the altimeter only having to subtract 10' to the reading to give distance above ground.
Thanks for doing your vids in ultrawide resolution. Hard to come by nowadays especially considering the fact that most modern phones (and a great amount of monitors) are 18:9!
I could very well imagine this same flight crew in the following alternative scenario: Plane has just departed runway ... *CAPT* How much fuel did we load? *FO* 35,000 liters [when he meant to say gallons, and they in fact loaded 35,000 gallons] *CAPT* 35,000 liters? OMGOMG panic panic that's not enough fuel! What to do!! In response, idiot Captain 'saves the day' ('corrects the situation'!) by immediately shutting off all 3 engines at 4500 ft. You know, so as not to run out of fuel.
Regardless of meters vs feet. Why would the pilots slam the yoke and try to decent like they were in a fighter jet racing to see who can get below deck the fastest. Im not an expert seems 1500 feet target on departure is really really low. Like a whole lot of common sense was lost on this one. Seems with the pilots being really really nervous that there might have been previous issues they have had before. Language barrier or other rules they broke on accident
“Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity or neglect.” - Capt. AG Lamplugh, British aviation pioneer
I had to recheck the into...almost 13,000 flight hours and this captain thought he could fly that ship like a fighter jet? There HAS to be more info to explain a CFIT like this besides just altitude confusion!
+Allec Joshua Ibay Not sure how they manged to hit the ground while descending from 4500ft to 1500ft (so I'll look the flight up on Wik!). [Subsequently edited to add] It transpires that the plane became uncontrollable during the decent, but it's still not clear as to why.
Correct, i dont know about Russia actually, but due to their communist and therefor anti-american politics in China the metric system is used for altitudes...
R.I.P. to every innocent soul who lost their lives on this flight. We will remember them all. And also... Who would’ve known the most satisfying plane engine sound would be from a DC?
Jason Wilson there was a crash in California several years ago. I believe fox news reported the flight crews names as something similar to this. As soon as I heard the reporter, I was like, is she serious? Turns out a junior staffer called it in as a joke. Not very funny for relatives of the deceased.
Something should be metioned about the crash and that is the fact that at the time Korea was experiencing major development on aviation industry and the investigator's found it easy to blame it on pilots than finding out problems on air craft or on airliner. On the CVT it can be found that the pilots found out the aircraft had control issues such as plane not banking altought the input was made and auto pilot disengaging by itself. There were multiple factors behind the crash but not mentioned in this video.
I may be mistaken but at that altitude and that size aircraft shouldn't they manipulate the throttle to change their altitude. They could also have confirmed with ATC, seeing as how no one was asking them why they weren't at their assigned altitude.
Just curious...are both metric and imperial really used by ATC? I would have assumed the entire flying industry would agree to one system (which i thought was imperial).
The “Gimli Glider” ran out of fuel because Canada switched to metric. The fuel crew didn’t realize a pound is about half a kilogram, so they only had about half the fuel!
the crash had nothing to do with units. What if 1500 feet was really the correct altitude, the captain would have put the plane into the same nosedive and still crashed the plane. Who does that? When you feel you are at the wrong altitude, you correct in a timely and safe manner.
Uh.... As a Korean, it is true that flight 6316 accident is only remembered as a pilot's unit mistake.... It hurts.... I entered the value calculated in m well, and as you can see from this article, the plane couldn't turn and couldn't turn..... I think there was a problem with your aircraft... I’m going to add Korean too This is what I said blog.naver.com/rin10001/221896008010 Flight 6316 Accident Reenactment Video th-cam.com/video/rz1TF0POl1E/w-d-xo.html 어..... 한국인으로써 6316편 사고가 조종사의 단위 착각으로만 기억되고 있는게 참.... 마음이 아프네요.... 기장은 중국에 다녀온 경력도 있고 부기장은 이륙 전 계기에다가 ft를 m로 계산한 값을 잘 입력했습니다 그리고 이 글을 보시면 알겠지만 비행기가 선회를 하지도 못했습니다 선회도 못하는 상황..... 네 기체에도 문제가 있었다고 전 생각을 합니다..... 영어를 잘 못해서 잘못 말한 내용도 있을까봐 한국어도 추가하겠습니다 제가 말한 글 입니다 blog.naver.com/rin10001/221896008010 6316편 사고 재연 영상 th-cam.com/video/rz1TF0POl1E/w-d-xo.html
Typical MD-11 problem. "In an effort to improve fuel efficiency, McDonnell Douglas designed the MD-11's center of gravity to be much further aft than other commercial aircraft. There was also a fuel-ballast tank in the MD-11's horizontal stabilizer since its tailplane was smaller than the DC-10's to improve fuel efficiency, but this was found to inhibit the MD-11's crosswind performance. These design features significantly reduced the MD-11's margin for error during the takeoff and landing phases, making it more difficult to handle than the smaller DC-10. A number of operators have introduced special training to assist crews in safely handling the MD-11's critical phases of flight. Because of the aft center of gravity, several incidents have occurred where the aircraft has been overloaded with cargo and tipped back on its tail, leaving the nose gear off the ground." according to Wikipedia. "As of June 2017, the MD-11 has been involved in 30 aviation incidents, including nine hull-loss accidents with 244 fatalities."
The MD-11 is FAAAAR from being one of the deadliest aircraft. Most of these 244 fatalities came from a single accident (Swissair 111). It has at least a better safety record than the 737 MAX claiming 346 lives in its literal first 3 years of operation.
Mainly because every pilot is deathly afraid of blowing through an assigned altitude. If it could cause a collision and ATC reports it (they will....), it may very well result in license suspension or revocation.
Is there any text between 0:00 and 0:18? The first words I can see are "In command...." so I'm assuming there's details on flight number, aircraft and origin & destination. Otherwise 18 seconds looking at the exterior of a stationary plane is just silly.
Okay, so from what I've read here, in every country's airspace besides China and Russia, altitude clearances are measured in feet, and minimum separation distance is 1000 feet. My question is, what are the separation distances in Russian and Chinese airspace?
This has got to be one of the most ridiculous accidents I've seen. The misunderstanding doesn't explain this crash at all. You can descend an aircraft without slamming it in to the ground. If you drive your car and your sat nav tells you to drive off a cliff it doesn't mean you have to do it. This piece of flying is on par with Birgenair 301, lets forget the most basic thing in aviation "fly the airplane"
"Oh, we're 3,000ft higher than we're supposed to be, so instead of gradually descending and confirming with ATC, let's put the plane in a steep dive to get down." That was a very stupid move, I don't understand why the pilots would've thought they were cleared for 1,500ft *right* after takeoff, that's never happened in aviation history (At least not for planes of that size).
KE should have used an Airbus aircraft that can handle metric numbers... Please note that in Chinese airspace, metric units are used. A CA flight made a similar mess in HKG, at where imperial measures are used.
Every pilot should know that 1,500m is higher than 1,500 feet. Even non-pilots like me should even know this, and I am just a kid, I play on flight simulators and I ALREADY KNOW THIS!
Did it really happen like that? That sounds really unusual, as no pilot asked tower for confirmation. Even a small propeller aircraft climbs quite fast to a 1500ft.
Even if he got the altitudes mixed up he could still see his altimeter. Why not just make a gradual descent to 1500 feet. Why did he think it was imperative to go down as quick as possible. I mean he could see the ground couldn't he? I'm reasoning he's never before pitched down an airplane so steeply from such a low altitude. When coming in to land the descent rate is gradual and is usually handled by the autopilot at a set feet/min rate. I bet he didn't realise that pushing the yoke fully forward would cause you to dive faster than you can recover when below 5000 feet.
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1st Officer Park had the aircraft at the right altitude in stable flight, but he is to blame? The PIC seizes control and puts the plan into an unrecoverable dive and he isn’t to blame? WTF.
You are ignoring the elephant in the room. Why were the pilots unable to pull out of the dive? If the pilot intentionally entered too steep a dive, that is a bigger problem than the altitude mixup.
Even if they did confuse 1500 meters with feet, they would not habe crashed, it was the captains fault that he put it in a steep nose dive which resulted with a crash.
If the Cockpit Voice Recorder had not been invented, we'd never know why this plane mysteriously dove headlong into the ground shortly after takeoff. This would rank as one of the greatest mysteries in aviation history, and when lots of MD-11s were still in passenger service around the world, this would have been a big problem!
What a stupid way for those people to die. "Oh it's 1500 feet? Okay let me nose dive this plane into the ground"
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I agree. This is by far the most dumb crash I've seen on this channel.
Atc said what? 1500 metres and then he uses 1500 ft instead
100% accurate
You would think that the pilots were better trained then that
Had this ATC ever told a departing heavy to maintain 1500 feet? Apparently the first officer acknowledged the clearance to 1500 meters, but then his brain switched off and could only think of "1500...ah, feet". A flight level of 1500 feet should have made either pilot immediately call Departure for a repeat.
Considering that he dived the plane into the ground, it seems like the issue wasn't just a problem with the pilots confusing feet and meters.
“How far did he say?? Ahhh, ok....” Pushes aircraft into a steep dive and crashes. Authorities investigate and suggest better training in the metric system.
Is this a joke?
I was thinking the same thing, looking out of the window is indication how far the plane is from the ground, no need to put in rapid descent mode especially that low to the ground that offers no chance to recover. The pilot was an absolute idiot
This is officially the dumbest "pilot error" crash I've seen yet. Even if there was confusion over the altitude, what the hell would possess a pilot to nosedive into the ground as opposed to descending at a normal rate?
this was dumb. checkout that one where its just 2 pilots repositioning from little rock to Minneapolis and they decide to see how hard they can push their plane. pinnacle airlines i believe.
@@senorpepper3405 I'll look it up, thanks for the info!
I saw and heard about stupid plane crashes but this is a new level
Guy plays Roblox You play Roblox. Nothing you say can be taken seriously.
You ain't lying
@@eisaatana96 Right.
The investigation was poorly conducted. As the Korean officials were corrupted at the time. In the CVT the pilots were facing other issuses such as auto pilot malfuntion and controls not reacting correctly to the inputs. Adding this confusion it is estimable that there were mechanical failure. But like I saidd on the top the top Korean investigators didnt wanted to cause any handicaps on development of the industry and therefore simply blame on the pilots by one fact. Very sad for the pilots.
I'm not even a pilot and know you wouldn't throw a fully loaded, fully fueled plane into a crash dive. Too low, too slow, too heavy. Just radio in and confirm.
Well, he probably didn't notice the ground down there...
Really. You show you have no clue what you’re taking about. Idiot.
@@peteconrad2077 Give him a break. He's not an astronaut like you.
voxer99 if he doesn’t know, hw shouldn’t spout nonsense. It’s irritating reading comments from idiots who want people to think they know something.
@@peteconrad2077 Ask yourself what the real Pete Conrad would do. I doubt that his first instinct would be to insult or name-call whenever he was slightly irritated. Let us all try to be a little more gracious in our treatment of others.
It's a shame that several people lost their lives due to a simple misunderstanding. Our hearts are with all the victims, their families and loved ones. R.I.P.
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Agreed they misread and then -15 to 25 degrees
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Wow....a lot of questions on that one. Why would they think 1,500ft would even be an altitude they would get after take-off? Why would the pilot take such an extreme nose-dive that they couldn't even pull out of it? Such a weird accident.
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Were they fatigue or something idk ??...
I would have asked ATC to confirm my assigned altitude, Its not worth the big discrepancy his F/O was telling him, even if you do get a bollocking for it later, and you could always descend while asking ATC
Very weird. It seems like a kind of knee-jerk reaction.
Fly the plane, then follow ATC's instructions. There's no reason for a commercial airliner to muck around at 1500 feet, or nosedive at a low altitude.
The only good thing is they didn't do this with a full load of passengers.
Uh.... As a Korean, it is true that flight 6316 accident is only remembered as a pilot's unit mistake.... It hurts.... I entered the value calculated in m well, and as you can see from this article, the plane couldn't turn and couldn't turn..... I think there was a problem with your aircraft... I’m going to add Korean too
This is what I said
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어..... 한국인으로써 6316편 사고가 조종사의 단위 착각으로만 기억되고 있는게 참.... 마음이 아프네요.... 기장은 중국에 다녀온 경력도 있고 부기장은 이륙 전 계기에다가 ft를 m로 계산한 값을 잘 입력했습니다 그리고 이 글을 보시면 알겠지만 비행기가 선회를 하지도 못했습니다 선회도 못하는 상황..... 네 기체에도 문제가 있었다고 전 생각을 합니다..... 영어를 잘 못해서 잘못 말한 내용도 있을까봐 한국어도 추가하겠습니다
제가 말한 글 입니다
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tool-using animal wat about the pilots
The first officer already acknowledged the controller 1500 meters, yet he told the captain 1500 feet. The guy clearly had a brain lapse. And the captain then acted like a dummy too. None of their brains were working. Too bad for the flight engineer and the people on the ground.
This is why its not allowed in my country , for pilots to smoke heroin.
this is why usa must abolish feet, yards and miles
This is like you're driving your car in a freeway at 90 mph and someone says oh, you should really be going at 30 mph here and you don't question that at all but immediately step on your brake pedal with both feet and pull the handbrake at the same time too
I cant believe a crew would just accept 1500 feet as a plausible altitude and not double check. Then just nose it down and I guess they didnt even throttle back - crazy. Theres probbaly stats out there but it seems there's a fairly good number of Asian airlines with stupid crashes - the failled 777 landing at SFo, the crew that turned off the only working engine by mistake on their turbo prop that then crashed across the road, this crazy crash, and I recall hearing about a China airline crash some time ago when they landed in the middle of a typhoon and it flipped over on the runway.
Asian driver...
@@1950Chimaera 😂😂😂😂😂
You're a racist fuck: www.businessinsider.com.au/airplane-accident-statistics-by-region-2015-11?r=US&IR=T
Not as bad as Russians though.....
I come back to this video from time to time to remind myself I'm not a total idiot. Possibly the most upsetting crash, killing five people on the ground aswell.
1,500 Meters Is Higher Then 1,500 Feet.Even Non-Pilots Know That.
Yeah. And if they weren't sure they should have asked ATC to repeat the instructions.
And even non-pilots (like me) know - in loaded MD-11 you dont adjust altitude from 4500 to 1500 (however wrong that adjustment was) by jamming the yoke to the firewall and entering a dive.
WTF flight crew?? It is such an epic glaring error that 'something' else was going on with them (see my comment I just posted at top).
Can't see your comment, T B, cause YT comments don't work that way. If you have something important there, it'd be nice if you pasted it in this thread too.
Feel free to call Google a dick for making it this way.
yep all my comments are visible (to me) when I 'log out' can clear all caches and visit the thread as a non-signed in 'surgfer'... so I'm not sure why for some they are not visible.
36,000 feet = aprox. 10,000 meters
Well that was pretty dumb to rapidly descend like that.
indeed. Was the ground > 1500 feet? If not, it's unclear to me why descending to a lower flight level caused a crash.
you know, even if the ground was higher than 1500', shouldn't radio altimeter warnings have been going off? Seems weird that he would dive into the ground like that regardless of any confusion about which altitude he was supposed to be at.
I wonder if he dove so rapidly to try and avoid a citation if the controller noticed his error.
this is literally one of the dumbest reasons to crash your plane, “oh i’m 3000 feet too high? lets just push the nose down causing the plane to reach a decent rate of 30,000 feet per minute”
I have to say, this is the dumbest incident I've ever seen in my life. Those people died because of a ridiculous reason. *"Oh, it was 1500 feet? Let me dive down then.."* Human error, but this is the dumbest human error ever.
The investigation was poorly conducted. As the Korean officials were corrupted at the time. In the CVT the pilots were facing other issuses such as auto pilot malfuntion and controls not reacting correctly to the inputs. Adding this confusion it is estimable that there were mechanical failure. But like I saidd on the top the top Korean investigators didnt wanted to cause any handicaps on development of the industry and therefore simply blame on the pilots by one fact. Very sad for the pilots.
Ted Yi was unaware of this, thanks for sharing
Alec, I have watched your videos for a long time. It has been fun watching your channel grow (my first vid of yours was “ghost plane” when it first came out) and I look forward to seeing a better channel. Thanks for these videos.
Kemosahbee hey 👋 same too also my first video of yours is also ghost plane 👻✈️hi five
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I bow down to you allec!!!! just another awesome display...and Rip passengers!!!!!
There were no passengers on board It killed the 3 crew members and 5 on the ground
Oh my gosh...the worst way to die. Imagine if that plane carried 260 passengers and 10 crew members. So glad that the number of deaths did not reach double digits.
The plane had a front window, looking out, for the purpose of. What were they doing, examining their navels?
The investigation was poorly conducted. As the Korean officials were corrupted at the time. In the CVT the pilots were facing other issuses such as auto pilot malfuntion and controls not reacting correctly to the inputs. Adding this confusion it is estimable that there were mechanical failure. But like I saidd on the top the top Korean investigators didnt wanted to cause any handicaps on development of the industry and therefore simply blame on the pilots by one fact. Very sad for the pilots.
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'Something' else seems almost certainly at play here. Indeed, there was the 4500ft (1500 meters) vs. 1500 ft error by first officer. No question there. But as many have noted, that alone should have had no likelihood to cause crash. It's no different than driving a car, passenger says [incorrectly] "oh we should have turned right at this road we are passing" and the driver turns right at next block [also wrong] but does so without slamming into a tree nonetheless.
This was CFIT.
What's not noted in the video is that there was some sort of issue or belief of issue by flight crew that the a/c was acting oddly BEFORE the altitude mis-speak and descent. They felt that 'something' was happening with aircraft (I dont know if anything WAS happening with it) but it seems to me the crew were either fatigued, or fatigued + distracted by this mysterious 'issue' whatever it was they felt was occurring, if anything, and THAT (the distraction +/-) fatigue) caused them to effectively 'slam into the tree' when doing so was completely avoidable, ERGO, CFIT.
Again, the video is accurate but doesnt touch on this 'other thing' that the crew was discussing - and I believe that this CFIT was partially caused by distraction and or fatigue.
Either way, no offense, but REALLY epic fuck up on their part. Gross negligence. I mean I'm no pilot but even I know at 4500 ft in MD11 you dont adjust altitude down 3000ft by jamming the yoke to the firewall given the circumstances HERE. Maybe if you see another a/c directly in front of you, but here - no way. I'm almost surprised the captain made ~12k flight hours (or something such) without killing himself earlier given his epic facepalm here.
RIP to the 5 on ground dead from incompetence of flight crew.
Who will read this much?
...anyone who cares to or who finds the information interesting. Maybe lots of people. Maybe no one.
T``` B``` I read it, ’cause it was interesting!
why thank you kind sir! I will admit though I can get wordy when I'm sort of mentally 'mulling through' things as I type...good for mulling but bad for resulting in short comments!
As a general rule, when flying in VMC, the average pilot realizes that the reason for a windshield is to look through it, scanning for obstructions such as birds, other airplanes, skyscrapers, and such. Another excellent rule of thumb is that if you see the ground rushing toward your face, you probably ought to take evasive action quickly to avoid becoming a bug smashed against the aft-facing surface of the cockpit. This report makes me thing someone has missed something somewhere. If not this may be the best example of lawn dart aviation since the Wright brothers.
I also get confused with metric and imperal
But I wouldn't nose dive my plane right into the ground
And also no one cares if you are first
nuclearvodka 1 how I remember it.
Metric-new-metres
Imperial-old-feet
the aviation industry has been standardised to imperial (for some reason)
you dont go giving instructions in metric when metric is not the standard used
root cause of crash: ATC error
Even as someone who lives in a county that uses the metric system, I think it's easier to say feet rather than metres.
perhaps but metric is vastly easier to calculate
In areas where the ATC provides the altitude in meter (China PRC, North Korea, and Russia), and if the altimeter is calibrated in feet, the pilots use a conversion card for determining the altitude in feet, before dialing in the altitude to the autopilot. The conversion charts are standardized for the airspace and the pilots have to use it.
i was implying that ATC would be calculating and assigning altitudes
if the plane is modified with metric instruments then no conversion is necessary
Absolutely not, a conversion to metres would be the most disastrous thing to ever happen. a 767 nearly crashed when one country changed from lbs to kg.
Ok....this one is.. *FACEPALM*
It was a goddamn aircraft malfunction.
The officials didn't even properly carry out the investigation afterwards.
Now look. The pilots are ridiculed after the tragic accident.
Wow, I don't think I've seen one of these yet with such a simple error... and an insane decision
When I was a refueler we had some 747-200 freight conversions from Air India that had Imperial gauges in the cockpit and Metric gauges on the wings. We had to defuel them all the time.
Interesting.. but, why couldn’t the pilot pull out of the dive?
Well if they pull hard for some reason the plane will stall
They were too low and the plane was probably had full tanks of fuel and cargo
I don't get why they couldn't level off either. Well, I can if the pilots put their plane in a steep ass dive for some reason. But why the hell would they feel they have to get down 3,000 feet so quickly?
For one, they're 3,000 feet too high (or so the captain thinks) yet the tower is not contacting them advising this? If the tower isn't contacting you about something you did or didn't do, then you likely haven't deviated from instructions too badly.
Second, a rate of descent at 600 feet per minute would cause them to lose this 300ft of alleged extra altitude over the course of five minutes and would have been perfectly controllable. The plane would have leveled off at 1500 feet and, as I said in point one, the tower would have come on the radio with a polite, "Umm, what the hell are you doing?" when they noticed the plane was not at the right altitude.
Gussy Rikh the plane was too heavy.
Also the MD11 has a known problem with elevator authority aka marginal stabiliser area in an effort to improve performance compared with its DC10 predecessor.
thanks for doing these videos I really love them keep it up !!
Why use metres, we don't use metres in aviation.. You gotta learn both imperial and metric if you wanna fly, most aircraft fuel is in kilograms, height is in feet and and speed is knots. Don't like anyone wanting us to start using km/h and metres.
I'm Australian and I didn't learn the imperial system for aviation to be messed up.
I'm basically just curious.
As long as pilots fly me safely from A to B and back I really don't care what you use for speed, height etc. That's your job ☺.
Pissing my pants when I hear a pilot say he needs tramadol and will take his first one on his flight the day after is mine. I know the adverse reactions. And how horrible they can be. You do not want to be in the air then.
He brushed it off with "it only says something about driving. Not flying. Ergo, it's safe" And no, he wasn't kidding.
Made me think of the crash back in the 80's with the captain snorting cocaine all night 😒
No it wouldn't we've used feet and knots for too long in Aviation. Changing would be the most deadliest thing ever to happen. A 767 nearly crashed when we started switching to kilograms. In the end it worked out but imagine a switch to metres. I refuse to ever use metres, one of the reasons is because I spent a year learning the imperial system, and I'm still learning.
Qing Pei Samuel Chen and Andrew, I am just a kid and I TOO know all that stuff! I am just 10!
Well you're better than me, I didn't bother starting to learn till a year ago.
What you said is completely wrong... we dont use meters? China and Russia use meters. "Most planes are in kilograms" That is optional. All planes in the US have pounds instead of KGS. And im not sure about Airbus, but all modern Boeing aircraft have the option to display the height in meters as well.
It was cleared to 1500m but the co-pilot thought it was feet and confused captain causing him to descend. What's strange is that field is 10' above sea level, which makes it very easy to interpret the altimeter only having to subtract 10' to the reading to give distance above ground.
Thanks for doing your vids in ultrawide resolution. Hard to come by nowadays especially considering the fact that most modern phones (and a great amount of monitors) are 18:9!
Omg I love the third engined planes
I could very well imagine this same flight crew in the following alternative scenario: Plane has just departed runway ...
*CAPT* How much fuel did we load?
*FO* 35,000 liters [when he meant to say gallons, and they in fact loaded 35,000 gallons]
*CAPT* 35,000 liters? OMGOMG panic panic that's not enough fuel! What to do!!
In response, idiot Captain 'saves the day' ('corrects the situation'!) by immediately shutting off all 3 engines at 4500 ft. You know, so as not to run out of fuel.
FO was also an idiot; he’s the one who started the confusion.
Good thing they didn't mishear 1500 metres as 1500 km. They might have crashed their aircraft into the moon.
Well, this is probably the easiest video you’ve ever made. Takeoff, climb, nosedive. Done.
Life...in a nutshell
Regardless of meters vs feet. Why would the pilots slam the yoke and try to decent like they were in a fighter jet racing to see who can get below deck the fastest. Im not an expert seems 1500 feet target on departure is really really low. Like a whole lot of common sense was lost on this one. Seems with the pilots being really really nervous that there might have been previous issues they have had before. Language barrier or other rules they broke on accident
“Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity or neglect.”
- Capt. AG Lamplugh, British aviation pioneer
I had to recheck the into...almost 13,000 flight hours and this captain thought he could fly that ship like a fighter jet? There HAS to be more info to explain a CFIT like this besides just altitude confusion!
ATC could have confirmed, man....something so simple. RIP. Thanks again for a great video, Allec. 🏆
R.I.P. Everyone on board.
+Allec Joshua Ibay
Not sure how they manged to hit the ground while descending from 4500ft to 1500ft (so I'll look the flight up on Wik!).
[Subsequently edited to add] It transpires that the plane became uncontrollable during the decent, but it's still not clear as to why.
Such a silly mistake !!
Not expected from a Qualified lisensed pilot !!
It is not a mistake
It is just a plane's problem
Uhm... Pretty sure ATC is at fault here? Why on earth would they give heights on metres?
Pretty sure it's standard procedure that altitude is given in feet, and no I am not from the USA!
Pretty sure China and Russia use meters for altitude. Metric should be standard for the whole world, but unfortunately it isn't.
Correct, i dont know about Russia actually, but due to their communist and therefor anti-american politics in China the metric system is used for altitudes...
BMWTurbo Fan For planes which have altimeters which read in feet? Why not ask them to fly in metres/second as well?
now you need to apologize to Americans..."you dumbass"
do you use fsx?
R.I.P. to every innocent soul who lost their lives on this flight. We will remember them all.
And also...
Who would’ve known the most satisfying plane engine sound would be from a DC?
great videos! keep it up!
A high time pilot does a nose dive at such close proximity to the ground...and a built up area no less??!!! That doesn't make sense to me!
Why he dive so steep?
I'd prefer voice over rather than music.
Captain: Wi Tu Lo
First Officer: Ho Lee Fuk
Flight Officer: Bang Ding Ow
Rest in peace. ..
Jason Wilson LOL!
You forgot, Captain Sum Ting Wong
Jason Wilson imao
Jason Wilson there was a crash in California several years ago. I believe fox news reported the flight crews names as something similar to this. As soon as I heard the reporter, I was like, is she serious? Turns out a junior staffer called it in as a joke. Not very funny for relatives of the deceased.
Something should be metioned about the crash and that is the fact that at the time Korea was experiencing major development on aviation industry and the investigator's found it easy to blame it on pilots than finding out problems on air craft or on airliner. On the CVT it can be found that the pilots found out the aircraft had control issues such as plane not banking altought the input was made and auto pilot disengaging by itself. There were multiple factors behind the crash but not mentioned in this video.
Well that isn’t the only one which had that kind of ‘Imperial vs Metric’ moment, Air Canada 143 did, however, it was a term of fuel, not of altitude.
I may be mistaken but at that altitude and that size aircraft shouldn't they manipulate the throttle to change their altitude. They could also have confirmed with ATC, seeing as how no one was asking them why they weren't at their assigned altitude.
They never reached their assigned altitude. 1500 meters is 4921+ feet.
Just curious...are both metric and imperial really used by ATC? I would have assumed the entire flying industry would agree to one system (which i thought was imperial).
The “Gimli Glider” ran out of fuel because Canada switched to metric. The fuel crew didn’t realize a pound is about half a kilogram, so they only had about half the fuel!
the crash had nothing to do with units. What if 1500 feet was really the correct altitude, the captain would have put the plane into the same nosedive and still crashed the plane.
Who does that? When you feel you are at the wrong altitude, you correct in a timely and safe manner.
Why do you keep cutting to a black screen??
Uh.... As a Korean, it is true that flight 6316 accident is only remembered as a pilot's unit mistake.... It hurts.... I entered the value calculated in m well, and as you can see from this article, the plane couldn't turn and couldn't turn..... I think there was a problem with your aircraft... I’m going to add Korean too
This is what I said
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Flight 6316 Accident Reenactment Video
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어..... 한국인으로써 6316편 사고가 조종사의 단위 착각으로만 기억되고 있는게 참.... 마음이 아프네요.... 기장은 중국에 다녀온 경력도 있고 부기장은 이륙 전 계기에다가 ft를 m로 계산한 값을 잘 입력했습니다 그리고 이 글을 보시면 알겠지만 비행기가 선회를 하지도 못했습니다 선회도 못하는 상황..... 네 기체에도 문제가 있었다고 전 생각을 합니다..... 영어를 잘 못해서 잘못 말한 내용도 있을까봐 한국어도 추가하겠습니다
제가 말한 글 입니다
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6316편 사고 재연 영상
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Allec, can you do: Terror over Egypt (Metrojet Flight 9268)?
Typical MD-11 problem. "In an effort to improve fuel efficiency, McDonnell Douglas designed the MD-11's center of gravity to be much further aft than other commercial aircraft. There was also a fuel-ballast tank in the MD-11's horizontal stabilizer since its tailplane was smaller than the DC-10's to improve fuel efficiency, but this was found to inhibit the MD-11's crosswind performance. These design features significantly reduced the MD-11's margin for error during the takeoff and landing phases, making it more difficult to handle than the smaller DC-10. A number of operators have introduced special training to assist crews in safely handling the MD-11's critical phases of flight. Because of the aft center of gravity, several incidents have occurred where the aircraft has been overloaded with cargo and tipped back on its tail, leaving the nose gear off the ground." according to Wikipedia. "As of June 2017, the MD-11 has been involved in 30 aviation incidents, including nine hull-loss accidents with 244 fatalities."
The MD-11 is FAAAAR from being one of the deadliest aircraft. Most of these 244 fatalities came from a single accident (Swissair 111). It has at least a better safety record than the 737 MAX claiming 346 lives in its literal first 3 years of operation.
This video doesn't make any sense. WHY did the pilot nose dive?????
Precisely
Mainly because every pilot is deathly afraid of blowing through an assigned altitude. If it could cause a collision and ATC reports it (they will....), it may very well result in license suspension or revocation.
ATC is also to blame, they shouldn't have used meters
What a dumbass controller
Pilot: “ahh ok”
**proceeds to nose dive into the ground**
The beginning engine sound is like a movie startup.
Why did they push the nose so far down? Why weren't they able to get out of the dive? These were experienced pilots.
when is into the storm china 605 going to be on TH-cam allec?
Very sad. I knew the co-pilot Park Bon-Seok personally. He was my student when I was an English teacher in Kimpo in South Korea.
Even with the conversion error, it still doesn’t explain why the plane crashed.
Is there any text between 0:00 and 0:18? The first words I can see are "In command...." so I'm assuming there's details on flight number, aircraft and origin & destination. Otherwise 18 seconds looking at the exterior of a stationary plane is just silly.
The MD-11 has nice engine noises.
Okay, so from what I've read here, in every country's airspace besides China and Russia, altitude clearances are measured in feet, and minimum separation distance is 1000 feet. My question is, what are the separation distances in Russian and Chinese airspace?
Air Tahoma Flight 185? I actually witnessed that one
Was the cargo ok?
Lmfaooo, I'm thinking the cargo was lost when the plane shattered into fifty billion pieces and exploded on impact.
This has got to be one of the most ridiculous accidents I've seen. The misunderstanding doesn't explain this crash at all. You can descend an aircraft without slamming it in to the ground. If you drive your car and your sat nav tells you to drive off a cliff it doesn't mean you have to do it. This piece of flying is on par with Birgenair 301, lets forget the most basic thing in aviation "fly the airplane"
Can you do Hughes airwest flight 706?
Are you sure the cargo didn't break free, slide forward and create a forward CG problem too?
"Oh, we're 3,000ft higher than we're supposed to be, so instead of gradually descending and confirming with ATC, let's put the plane in a steep dive to get down."
That was a very stupid move, I don't understand why the pilots would've thought they were cleared for 1,500ft *right* after takeoff, that's never happened in aviation history (At least not for planes of that size).
What a ridiculous mistake for two very experienced pilots. How sad.
RIP to the pilots but thank goodness they were not piloting a commercial jet liner full of passengers.
this happened in the 80s already, where Air Canda flight 143 ran out of fuel and landed safely
KE should have used an Airbus aircraft that can handle metric numbers...
Please note that in Chinese airspace, metric units are used.
A CA flight made a similar mess in HKG, at where imperial measures are used.
I just love the MD11💗💗
Every pilot should know that 1,500m is higher than 1,500 feet. Even non-pilots like me should even know this, and I am just a kid, I play on flight simulators and I ALREADY KNOW THIS!
Did it really happen like that? That sounds really unusual, as no pilot asked tower for confirmation. Even a small propeller aircraft climbs quite fast to a 1500ft.
First of TWO Korean Air crashes in 1999 (the second being flight 8559 out of the UK in December)
Even if he got the altitudes mixed up he could still see his altimeter. Why not just make a gradual descent to 1500 feet. Why did he think it was imperative to go down as quick as possible. I mean he could see the ground couldn't he?
I'm reasoning he's never before pitched down an airplane so steeply from such a low altitude. When coming in to land the descent rate is gradual and is usually handled by the autopilot at a set feet/min rate. I bet he didn't realise that pushing the yoke fully forward would cause you to dive faster than you can recover when below 5000 feet.
Who the hell uses meters for altitude in aviation!!!???
Like your videos. Just a small point metres is spelt metres for height. Meters is used for say a gas meter.
Her Majesty spells it "metres." The President of the USA spells it "meters."
¨I've got an idea... Let's develop a transport capable of flying all over the world, but it's instruments uses a standard that is only used in 3 or 4 countries...¨
Moral of the story; When you decide to crash a plane, don't do it into the face of 97498720983640326049817986489 workers. Dedicated to the workers of the industrial zone.
1st Officer Park had the aircraft at the right altitude in stable flight, but he is to blame? The PIC seizes control and puts the plan into an unrecoverable dive and he isn’t to blame? WTF.
The cause of the crash was the pilot thinking a heavy dc-10 is an f-16.
You are ignoring the elephant in the room. Why were the pilots unable to pull out of the dive? If the pilot intentionally entered too steep a dive, that is a bigger problem than the altitude mixup.
Just unbelievable that this had to happen
Even if they did confuse 1500 meters with feet, they would not habe crashed, it was the captains fault that he put it in a steep nose dive which resulted with a crash.
So basically, the pilots were too high... "Yo... If I plant this plane into the dirt, will there grow a plane tree?"