The True Core Of The Jesus Myth | Christopher Hitchens @ FreedomFest (1)
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Dinesh D'Souza and Christopher Hitchens go at it again at the 2008 Freedom Fest as the "Main Event".
FreedomFest is an annual festival where "free minds meet" to celebrate "great books, great ideas, and great thinkers" in an open-minded society. It is independent, non-partisan, and not affiliated with any organization or think tank.
Founded and produced by Mark Skousen, since 2002, FreedomFest invites the "best and the brightest" from around the world to talk, strategize, socialize, and celebrate liberty. FreedomFest is open to all and is purely egalitarian, where speakers, attendees, and exhibitors are treated as equals.
www.freedomfest.com/
Christopher Hitchens (born 1949) is an author, journalist and literary critic. Currently living in Washington, D.C., he has been a columnist at Vanity Fair, The Atlantic, World Affairs, The Nation, Slate, Free Inquiry, and a variety of other media outlets. Hitchens is also a political observer, whose books - the latest being "God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything" - have made him a staple of talk shows and lecture circuits.
In 2009 Hitchens was listed by Forbes magazine as one of the "25 most influential liberals in U.S. media." The same article noted, though, that he would "likely be aghast to find himself on this list" and that he "styles himself a radical", not a liberal.
www.hitchensweb.com/
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_"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones."_ *Marcus Aurelius*
That ain’t how it works Chief. God is perfect; therefore your morals don’t mean shit to him because he’s the only reason you have any to begin with. Every action you take and word you speak is already known, so believing that they will be impressive is just your ego in action. Any God that would just a person on his or her human morality would be no true God. This quote is just another highlight of a blowhard who doesn’t take the time to sit down and understand the very basic essence of what would entail God.
This is actually how I live my life. It is one of the reasons I am not an atheist though because there is too much selfishness in that mindset based on the leaders and others who speak on its behalf.
@@tjones5719 you do not live a good life. Nobody does.
@@jacksonrelaxin3425 “you do not live a good life. Nobody does” nice faulty statement. First it doesn’t follow evidence as you don’t know how I live. Second it creates an absolute without evidence as well.
Sorry but your judgmental response does confirm you don’t live a good life but says nothing about mine.
@@tjones5719 Lol you reported my comment. Little bitch.
He was a star. Shining bright in this world. Articulate, intelligent, well read and educated and most of all profoundly correct in many of his assumptions. A great loss to humanity.
He was a great mind but I wouldn’t say it was a great loss, that’s overselling things that others can replicate. He just had a bigger stage at times.
You forgot piss head!
@@tjones5719 Hi jjpetkusiii.
@@pauljam8197 you can sign your hello however you like, in this case, your former user name. That isn’t going to hide your illogical nature and lack of following evidence you show.
One of the few redeeming things of social media is that heroes like Hitchens do not die💫
I firmly believe that this contentious matter will be 100% resolved, once and for all, in the youtube comments section.
😅😅
Provocative. Not at all contentious. You have to have two plausible sides, each of which at least one party genuinely believes, for it to be contentious.
Ok, after you said that it just came to me that in 2,000 years from now, some people might be debating whether Christopher Hitchens actually existed or was he just a figment of certain folks imagination.
Oh it was solved many years ago... People just don't pay attention. Science is always the same or gets more accurate..religion changed year to year and becomes more vague.😊
@@jujjuj7676 Science has been wrong sometimes and changes every time a new theory emerges about how the universe began. Religions were established before science and so they are vague in the way they have explained the workings of the cosmos.
So sad Hitchens not here today, he had an unparalleled way of bringing such sanity and clarity in examining all different religions and ideologies.
Except he was often a bit indoctrinated in his views which caused him to make false statements like in the video about no thought for the morrow. So he neither brought sanity nor clarity, he often further confused it
@@tjones5719 Are like one of the Maga Mike type trolls? You must be some intellect if you think you can comment on the Hitch.
@@paulvr3158 “Are like one of the Maga Mike type trolls?” What “are like”?
“You must be some intellect if you think you can comment on the Hitch.” That May be your opinion, I just can point out his failings because I’m not indoctrinated and can question. In my opinion, many could do the same.
@@tjones5719 That's right, Hitchens brought neither clarity or sanity to any of his talks. He often stirs up a situation so that his distorted views appeal to people who already contain a dislike of certain religions or have converted to atheism.
@@paulvr3158 The only hitch with that statement is that the subject matter is faulty.
“Never be a spectator of unfairness or stupidity. The grave will supply plenty of time for silence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
Produce evidence. In fact, you have nothing at all. No further explanation of atheist cartoons is necessary, QED.
@@jos.petkus509 The burden of proof or of convincing lies with the person making a positive claim. The bible is not evidence that the bible is true (circular reasoning is a fallacy). You claim it is true? Up to you to produce independent evidence to support your claim, or reasoned arguments, you have the floor. The "creation of the world" is clearly seen by NASA, baby planets forming within their star's accretion disc - not evidence of any god, much less of yours, too bad for you. Don't be a sore loser.
@@jos.petkus509
There’s no good evidence of a god. Of course you can’t prove a negative. We can’t disprove fairies or bigfoot or fire breathing dragons either but there’s no reason to think they exist. The fact that there is no evidence for them, proves that the correct response is to not believe until there is. If there was a god, we should have seen some indication of it. But whenever we have found the cause of something, the answer has never been “a god did it”. A natural explanation has been found over and over. Nature scores 10 million, god zero.
@@jos.petkus509 You want evidence that the bible contains discrepancies?
*Matthew 1*
16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
Compare with
*Luke 3*
23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
So how did *Jacob* beget Joseph, son of *Heli*
N. Scudder
John Lyle
This biblical discrepancy is debunked!
The Genealogy of Jesus Christ (According to Eusebius)
m.th-cam.com/video/U3bsAMyRwbw/w-d-xo.html
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian: (enjoy!)
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
Well said!
Holy crap this is perfect.
EtScripturaeSanctae
Holy crap, you're still going at this?
EtScripturaeSanctae look up "bat shit crazy inbred Jed" and I'm sure you will find a mirror.
You and I both know that ALL RELIGION is destroying this planet. ALL religion is poison.
It poisons the hearts and minds of the weak, meek and extremely gullible which you have proven yet again with your posts about magic and fiction!
Why are you creatards so afraid to live?
***** I have just read the first comment of several that you appear to have made here, and I am ready to call POE on you!
Oh how this magnificent orator is missed. No one can replace his unique intelligence!
Incorrect. People like him are replaceable and that is even part of his own point.
MM-yi9zn
Are you aware the vast majority of accredited historians believe the evidence strongly supports Jesus physical existence as they do with Cleopatra’s existence from the same time period.
Are you also aware these historians aren’t just evangelical bible believing Christians.
@@stephenireland3816 “Are you aware…believing Christians.” Nice red herring, the OP didn’t say anything about Jesus existence.
joel osteen eats hitchens for breakfast
@@ronartest7748 who is Osteen - the fact I’ve never heard of him doesn’t bode well for your statement
“I try to deny myself any illusions or delusions, and I think that this perhaps entitles me to try and deny the same to others, at least as long as they refuse to keep their fantasies to themselves.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Hitch 22: A Memoir
The funny part is that thinking that it entitles him to anything is a delusion.
@@robertburns4429 Being dead, he's entitled to having his atoms redispersed to the universe. What entitles religious factions to publicly weigh in on politics, morality or especially science?
@@ergonomover I never said that anyone was entitled to anything. Claiming that denying oneself anything entitles one to anything else is a delusion. And you are mistaken about his entitlement to having his atoms redispersed. He no longer exists and so has no possibility of any form of entitlement. Claiming that his entitlement continues beyond his death is to embrace the concept of an afterlife...not something he would agree with. You do him a disservice by claiming such.
Hitchens was deluded about the power of his intellect to discern all truths. Even Socrates believed in a God who is perfectly good and perfectly wise.
@@solb101 Hitchens claimed that his intellect could discern all truths, or did you read his mind?
Do you have evidence that the God in which Socrates believed had anything to do with the Jewish god of the time?
Slaughtering the Midianites for being party animals, but saving the virgins girls, the Lord's levy was 32 = not perfectly good.
Burning souls forever in a fiery furnace for a thought crime such as lack of belief is not perfectly good.
Some of the comments about this video show that religious belief has nothing to do with experience or reason but with deep and irrational needs. The religious will discount anything that runs counter to their beliefs; they are willing to ignore all the findings of thinking minds through all the centuries since the Bible was written.
Everyone has an aversion to being lied to but believers willingly sacrifice their critical thinking and logic and accept that they MUST believe in something without doubting it.
There is one question for believers that I find to be the most telling when they respond. Considering everything that is required for you to invest in your religion, if there’s even the slightest possibility that you have been manipulated, fooled and lied to, why wouldn’t you investigate that?
I have no need other than I despair for the condition man kind finds it self in for hundreds of yeards man has tried every form of Government yet we have not achieved satisfaction ,why we were never designed to rule ourselves ,what has self rule resulted in ,chaos ,wars ,crime , tell me how to solve the worlds woes and I will listen
If, on a beautiful day, you're running a marathon on a dirt road, the runners out front will see blue skies and clean air while those in the back of the pack will see cloudy skies and dirty air. The reality of the day isn't altered, just the runners' perception. It's all how you chose to see things but you take a pessimists point of view because of your beliefs. You believe that people can't effectively think for themselves and we should submit to an invisible Santa in the sky and let the bible govern our lives.
A book can't govern nor can a mythical father figure. Only people can govern. If those who follow the bible had their way, we'd find that the most uneducated, the most unimaginative, the most unthinking among us, would make themselves the guides and leaders of us all; they would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us, invade our schools, libraries and homes. That would be far worse than the imperfect system that's in place now.
nrylee
You almost get to the point Hitchens is making with your last paragraph. God or the existence of God and the promise of the return of the messiah, has nothing to do with the condition of man and the species continues to advance despite his curses and ambivalence.
Congratulations. You have become an atheist.
if you take the case of the apostle Paul he believed he was doing the right thing by handing Christians over for execution.his experience on the road to Damascus completely changed him.we do not have such spectacular visions to day but many ppl have had experiences where God has answered prayers and acted directly in their lives,what is irrational about wanting to know why a person is suffering and wanting answers,or why a loved one has died,can you answer these ones.Dont forget Paul was a well educated man ,he was not ignorant.he had a thinking mind
irene evans if getting "answers" from an imaginary friend is good enough for you than I can't argue with that!
Totally right Christopher and we all miss you very much.
Nice lie but while I respect him I don’t miss him. And he wasn’t totally right with fallacies about the age, fallacies about the central doctrine…he makes things up like the best of some theists.
He was an emotional wreck and did not have a clue concerning the true meaning of life. We fell here from Heaven are are supposed to seek God and to return home to Heaven, not deny that Heaven and God both exist, wow, what a terrible path to take, backwards.
Brilliant man and probably one of the greatest orators since Socrates.
So you heard both Socrates and Hitchens, was it on a podcast…no. You can stop making yourself look foolish by not exaggerating. Hitchens was good and a better speaker than most in the time he lived. Leave it at that.
joelstein4657
“Brilliant man and probably one of the greatest orators since Socrates.”
Saying Jesus never existed is as dumb as saying Cleopatra didn’t exist from the same time period.
Raw iQ don’t mean someone isn’t highly biased.
@@stephenireland3816 ”Saying Jesus never existed is as dumb as saying Cleopatra didn’t exist from the same time period.” Not really. Going back that far with as questionable as records can be, if you want to believe someone existed or not, you can make a bit of a case for it either way, just don’t expect it to be all together convincing.
Here is the real problem for Hitchens case though and it was in his own argument. Just as he said it doesn’t matter if Socrates did exist or not, his teachings, his thoughts and methods, etc. cannot he denied to still exist. The same could be said if you are inclined for the Jesus figure. Does it really matter that he existed or not if his teachings, methods, etc. still live on?
“Raw iQ don’t mean someone isn’t highly biased.” “Brilliant” does not necessarily mean “raw IQ” so you committed a bit of a strawman to try to make a more effective argument. The problem is the two are mutually exclusive. He can still be a brilliant man so that may still be true. The OP is silent in whether he is or is not biased, that’s a red herring you brought up.
I also notice this is posted to get my attention for the thread you started a couple hours ago. You dropped off making new posts and deleting old ones as you hadn’t commented for about a couple days - nothing wrong with that but you recently tried to project that change of behavior onto me when it really applies to you.
@@tjones5719nah bro there's secular evidence for the crucifixion, that someone named jesus really did die in the curcifixion by romans. obviusly the resurrecton, the fortelling of the crucifixion are all probably bogus. but hitchens shouldnt have gone as far to say jeusus probably never existed or whatever. thats just factually wrong at that point.
@@samuraijosh1595 Your response did nothing to refute what I said. If you have more of an on point rebuttal let me know “nah..,that point.”
“The truth is, that what is called religion is necessarily inconsistent with free thought. A believer is a bird in a cage, a Freethinker is an eagle parting the clouds with tireless wing.”
― Robert G. Ingersoll, The Complete Works of Robert G. Ingersoll
If you looked into Freethinker, a scam... If you looked into the blatant hypocrisy of the materialist worldview inspiring Carl Marx, inspiring Stalin; Need we talk about the Gulag? The killing fields? The Iron Curtain?
The People's Republic of China?
And how all of which flocked in mass to the country founded upon the standard of the Bible? The only thing lying Hitch can talk about is magnifying the small handful of minority groups that have came and gone as they should. . Intermingling the devils of Islam with the the Creator of the universe. Dude, all that burdensome stuff is on you.
Seems you have one goal; to flush out those that speak of the power of the Bible in the earth, to bring in your flyspecks against a masterpiece. .
Marxism sought that. . .
You just flow right with the materialist concept that ALWAYS birthed a Stalin. . .
Robbing human value, because you've been robbed personally and have no care for others.
That's why you would gladly force kids to publicly denounce God to further their education. . The German democratic republic. . . That's what the materialist looks like in a position of power.
Nice!
that free thinker is very often confused, unhappy because he she cannot come to grips with answers to the universe when God is discounted.
@@kevincoshner310 Colonel Ingersoll extolled the answers science has provided, such as for the structure of the solar system and the origin of species. No need for gods to explain them. He was a happy man, happy to defend logic, reason, secular government.
@@ergonomover Science cannot provide concrete answers to the structure of our system and the origin of species. No self-respecting scientists would make such claims. Science will tell you what it `thinks` may have happened , nothing more!
I have come to understand the quality of Hitch's intellect too late, but better than never.
He was a terriblely complicated person. Very smart yes but also sadly very patriarchal and he was also on the wrong side of the smoking in public debate back in the day. Still, no one is perfect and I've learned a lot from Chris over the years.
Chris Hedges is also a brilliant man.
His arguments are, in my opinion and based on the writings I have read, are always substantiated by his personal research and knowledge. One does not need to be an atheist (as I am not in the true sense) to understand what he is saying. Read some more of his stuff.
He ran a muck in America, and rightly so. 👍
Robert
And unfortunately it appears Hitch got to know his Creator a bit to late😳
Are you really trying to shock non believers with the prospect of him going to hell? IT'S NOT A THING
“The man who prays is the one who thinks that god has arranged matters all wrong, but who also thinks that he can instruct god how to put them right.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Mortality
Produce evidence. In fact, you have nothing at all. No further explanation of atheist cartoons is necessary, QED.
No, you are wrong again. Stop spamming. Yours were insignificant assertions. No further explanation of your utter rubbish is required. QED.
@@jos.petkus509 Just because you show you are incapable of debate does not mean there is no debate.
So brilliant!! When people pray they are not changing God's mind they are indeed changing their own mind & accepting what is, is.
@@stephenireland3816 Thus, when victims of pedo-priests and pedo-pastors pray in His church for the painful abuse to stop, God can be swayed? Yet, we keep discovering more victims, can you explain?
I could listen to Hitch all day
"We keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality. On every side, there is conclusive evidence that the contrary is the case and that faith causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all, more stupid."
- Christopher Hitchens
Which was a terrible take by Christopher. The man was an alcoholic weirdo.
@@andrewg3666 Hate the message, shoot the messenger? Or would you care to explain what he got wrong?
@@andrewg3666 Deflect all you want, doesn’t make it clever to think the dead rise again or some other dumb nonsense
For years now I have personally content that even though there my be “good people” (teachers, preachers, clerks, firemen, etc.) in the world 80-90% of them are STUPID and IGNORANT. The racist, gun-violent Trump cultist in the USA (Two-thirds of Republicans want Trump to retain major political role; 44% want him to run again in 2024) are a prime example!😫
What sin controls your life?
“If a man would follow, today, the teachings of the Old Testament, he would be a criminal. If he would follow strictly the teachings of the New, he would be insane.”
― Robert Green Ingersoll
Your jokes are not even funny. No further explanation of atheist cartoons is necessary. QED.
@@jos.petkus509 i wasn't joking. The death penalty for working on Sunday, eating shellfish, wearing plaid or touching pigskin (as seen in Leviticus) is no laughing matter, are you ill?
Bro stop
@@carlosnolasco252 Not sure who you mean, Bro, but I'll stop when Jos. Petkus stops, no problem.
And Ingersoll must have been an insane criminal to reach this conclusion, otherwise how could he reach this conclusion without properly testing the writings? Unless he was fantasising again.
Sadly the once-in-a-lifetime voice in the wilderness will be sadly missed by those of us who truly believe in freedom.
But in the truest sense on this topic, he was against freedom. So not a good piece of insight from you.
@@tjones5719 In what way was he against freedom?
@@knightsnight5929 “in what way was he against freedom?” I’m surprised you don’t know this. His God is Not Great book included “Above all, Hitchens argues that the concept of an omniscient God has profoundly damaged humanity, and proposes that the world might be a great deal better off without "him."” He didn’t want people to freely worship a god.
@@tjones5719 He did not propose that people's freedom of worship should be taken away, unless you can provide such a quote. I'm not surprised you would misconstrue this issue.
@@ergonomover “he does not propose that peoples freedom to worship be taken away”…”and proposes that the world might be a great deal better off without him.” Sad that you avoid what is right in front of you.
And if that wasn’t obvious enough for you take this quote “Free exercise of religion? No, thanks.” He spoke against religion, said it was harmful, said it created wickedness…when a person has such bias and some very ill informed, there is no path other than to say religion should be gone as he said. To not say that is to say you advocate for wickedness and harm. You bury your head in the sand. I don’t. I see Hitchens for his good and for his reprehensible because I listen and choose to question…you have that up.
I really miss him.
Me too, man. Let’s remember him together 🥃
Hitch..what a great mind. So sadly missed.
Awesome comeback there JB. Imaginative and intellectually superior. Bet he'll never recover from such a slight! 😂
'There are no errors in the infallible King James Bible' - WRONG!
He was usually very respectful in trolling religions... a meme ahead of his time.
@James Bell He used his mind, which is more than I can say for all you "faith" based believers who leave all logic behind and instead follow along blindly. FOOLS you are
jjpetkusiii and you’re a moron
I miss this man. I miss his keen, critical mind, and the boldness of his convictions. The world is worse for his loss.
What are you talking about? I said nothing about fairy tales. I think you meant to comment on the video, not reply to my comment.
@Howard Bell
Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, and let not your heart be glad when he stumbles, lest the Lord see it and be displeased, and turn away his anger from him.
@@kathrynroberts248 The Lord Jesus Christ is the Prince of Peace, and the Saviour averred the Hebrew Tanakh consistently. επερωτηθεις δε υπο των φαρισαιων ποτε ερχεται η βασιλεια του θεου απεκριθη αυτοις και ειπεν ουκ ερχεται η βασιλεια του θεου μετα παρατηρησεως In the inerrant King James Bible, the ancient Greek reads: "And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation" (Luke 17:20). Charles Lyell’s geological deceptions set the stage for Darwinism, a Satanic fantasy in obscurantist jargon. Salvation through faith alone in the only-begotten Son of God testifies of His holiness, and it is always a miracle of grace. Sadly, the professional Antichrist liar "Hitch" knew that he was a hell-bound sodomite according to both the Old and New Testaments in their original languages before he left Balliol College at Oxford to write for "International Socialism." Although his ridiculous atheist psychobabble is altogether immaterial to ecclesiology, philosophy, linguistics, historiography, exegesis, and the scientific method, his bizarre anti-Semitic misogyny still appalls me. The veracity of the Gospel speaks for itself, and I never converse with inanimate objects. Solid evidence based on more than 5,000 extant MSS established the integrity of the infallible Holy Scriptures long before C. R. Darwin succumbed to Chagas disease in 1882, and rational exegetes worldwide understand the the jailbird "FFreeThinker" website is a blatant Marxist cyber fraud.
You’re a brainwashed moron, no offence!
@@jjpetkusiii
and still ZERO evidence for your magical invisible sky daddy
He did not believe in eternal life but his spirit lives on. Respect
Depends on what you mean by spirit because in most uses of the word, it doesn’t.
@@tjones5719 But it does
@@383MrZ28 seeing you state that as knowledge give your proof
@@tjones5719Proof is we are still listening to him years after he has passed
@@383MrZ28 “Proof is we are still listening to him years after he has passed.” First that’s not proof, it may be evidence. Second it’s not even evidence for your claim because that doesn’t tell us “his spirit lives on.”
Perfectly summed up, he is so eloquent but his thoughts are exactly what i feel
Eloquent at times but it’s difficult to be eloquent when you are speaking errors as he does here in a couple places.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
Produce evidence. In fact, you have nothing at all. No further explanation of atheist cartoons is necessary, QED.
@@jos.petkus509 The burden of proof or of convincing lies with the person making a positive claim. The bible is not evidence that the bible is true (circular reasoning is a fallacy). You claim it is? Up to you to produce independent evidence to support your claim, or reasoned arguments, you have the floor. The "creation of the world" is clearly seen by NASA, baby planets forming within their star's accretion disc - not evidence of any god, much less of yours, too bad for you. Don't be a sore loser.
@@jos.petkus509
There no evidence for something that doesn’t exist. You need to provide evidence that it does exist.
Religious people have no good evidence and can’t explain any of the contradictions of religion.
@@judyives1832 Something else they have difficulty explaining is what is religion for? What good is it? Why does USA a lot 9.1% of its GDP to religion, tax free? America's god can make midgets grow and if you send him money for a new jet, your seed money will grow.
Trumpanzees have 48 chromosomes and thus no ability to reason.
Tesla knew the basis of universal energy with magnetic radio waves and some magnetically active regions on earth besides the polar ice caps. (Magnetic north will switch to magnetic south pole as happens every billion years or so.)
@@jos.petkus509 You want evidence that the bible contains discrepancies?
*Matthew 1*
16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
Compare with
*Luke 3*
23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
So how did *Jacob* beget Joseph, son of *Heli*
N. Scudder
The best part about coming to a hitchens video comment thread is you know you won't accidentally thumbs a believers comment that made sense all the way to the end, but then they say "god bless"
Lol, true.
Thanks for confirming your confirmation bias. It’s this type of approach that causes there to be a lack of true conversation.
@@tjones5719 Biased for not being contradictory in one's position?
@@richstex4736 “Biased for not being contradictory in one’s position?” Nice strawman (more of your bias desperately trying to cling to life) but that’s not what I said nor even implied. Instead of avoiding what I said, maybe see if you can address it.
@@tjones5719 You're right. Your statement: "Thanks for confirming your confirmation bias. "
My statement: Biased for not being contradictory in one's position?
Addressed & delivered.
_"Religion infects us in our most basic integrity. It says we must be afraid, but we must also be forced to love someone whom we fear....the very essence of sadomasochism"_
- Christopher Hitchens
Except this generally isn’t true. While some may take things to be fearful of, it also balances that with a message of hope. Hitchens was once asked what does atheism have to offer the hopeless, those that are struggling, etc. and he couldn’t answer, there was nothing he could say on that question.
So while theist religions may have some fear involved, it balances that out with hope. Atheism offers no hope (per Hitchens himself).
@@tjones5719 You failed to prove it isn't true.
@@FlandiddlyandersFRS “You failed to prove it isn’t true.” First proof is the wrong standard. Second nice shifting the burden of evidence but that’s on you. So we are still waiting for you to support your claim.
@@tjones5719The hope that religion offers is a false hope, a mirage appearing in the desert to taunt a thirsty person. What Hitchens offered was truth, a precious commodity, especially in the current climate of world affairs.
@@John_Lyle “The hope that religion offers is a false hope, a mirage appearing in the desert to taunt a thirsty person.” Nice faulty analogy. It’s not like a thirsty person because that person truly needs water and a mirage is discovered as not having water. A person needs to feel loved and little about a god is discoverable that the being does not love. Same with any afterlife, a person cannot know until they die. So no discovery of a false hope whether it is or not. And besides the community of religious people helping others can also provide tangible hope and help.
“What Hitchens offered was truth, a precious commodity, especially in the current climate of world affairs.” It is true atheism offers no hope, no care for others, no desire to help those less fortunate. It is sad you find comfort in that truth.
I'm a proud Palestinian, and a hard-core atheist, and I can't be thankful enough to Mr. Hitchens for his focus on this matter from a strictly human rights POV. It doesn't matter what your religion is, we own our land, our property, based on the deeds we have for them. It's in our names, and not God's, or any Jew who came from Russia or Chicago. Thank you so much, Mr. Hitchens, for the extraordinary work you've done on behalf of the Palestinians.
Your jokes are not even funny. No further explanation of atheist cartoons is necessary. QED.
@@jos.petkus509 living under military occupation is not a joke, and there is absolutely nothing funny about how Israel is subjecting the Palestinians to conditions like the Warsaw ghetto and the seige of Warsaw.
Nothing was debated here. The fulfillment of prophecy over the millennia confirms the veracity of the Gospel always continuing to speak for itself. Everlasting salvation from sin by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ testifies of His eternal holiness. ο δε πιλατος βουλοbbμενος τω οχλω το ικανον ποιησαι απελυσεν αυτοις τον βαραββαν και παρεδωκεν τον ιησουν φραγελλωσας ινα σταυρωθη Translated flawlessly, the original Biblical text reads: "And so Pilate, willing to content the people, released Barabbas unto them, and delivered Jesus, when he had scourged him, to be crucified" (Mark 15:15). Born of virgin in Bethlehem, the only-begotten Son of God is the Prince of Peace, and the Saviour averred the Hebrew Tanakh consistently as a documented matter of immutable fact. Even the senseless title of this absurd video is completely misleading, and its obviously revisionist psychobabble always was nonessential. Charles Lyell's geological deceptions set the stage for Darwinism, a Satanic fantasy couched in obscurantist jargon. Both the accuracy and clarity of the inerrant King James Bible are unrivalled in any modern language. Solid evidence based on more than 5,000 extant manuscripts established the integrity of the infallible Holy Scriptures that clearly record the death, burial and Resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ long before C. R. Darwin succumbed to his diseases in 1882. No species of plant or animal living anywhere on Earth came from another genus, and Christianity has nothing to do with "religion" inasmuch as it is a personal relationship to the Saviour at its onset. Logic guarantees that any "commitment to a certain kind of dialectic" inevitably results in circular reasoning, and modern geologists describe hell as the molten core of the center of the Earth past, present and future. I never converse with inanimate objects, and rational exegetes worldwide proved that the jailbird "FFreeThinker" website is a ridiculous Trotskyite cyber fraud operated by worthless spambots daily (ever since its unauthorized origin as that illicit nonentity a la mortemain). It often deleted important and truthful comments because such Internet hacker software cannot be formatted to perceive authenticity per se in a realistic context. It was very sad and indeed pathological that the alcoholic Marxist blasphemer "Hitch" deliberately lied about the historiography of the Old and New Testaments for decades, but he also died hopeless and unconscious on 15 December 2011 A. D. at an excellent hospital in Texas after a long illness. No offense is intended since his fatuous "argument" had NO substantial basis in ecclesiology, cosmology, ontology, epistemology, classical literature, archaeological discoveries, unadulterated linguistic derivations, British Common Law, or the scientific method, and anti-Semitic dogmatists without exception hate Genesis through Revelation in any case.
There was no debate here. The fulfillment of prophecy over the millennia confirms the veracity of the Gospel always continuing to speak for itself. The only-begotten Son of God came to seek and to save lost sinners by grace through faith in Him alone. ο δε αποκριθεις ειπεν γεγραπται ουκ επ αρτω μονω ζησεται ανθρωπος αλλ επι παντι ρηματι εκπορευομενω δια στοματος θεου
In perfect English, that authentic Koine Greek text reads: "But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God" (Matt. 4 : 4). The Lord Jesus Christ is the Prince of Peace, and the Saviour averred the Hebrew Tanakh consistently as a documented matter of immutable fact. Academic frauds who reject creationism are witless liars, and none of those narcissistic bores wants their character flaws to be exposed by the chronological accuracy of the inerrant King James Bible that is unrivalled in any modern language. Even the senseless title of this absurd video is completely misleading, and modern geologists describe hell as the molten core of the center of the Earth past, present and future. Solid evidence based on more than 5,000 extant manuscripts established the integrity of the infallible Holy Scriptures long before C. R. Darwin succumbed to his diseases in 1882. No species of plant or animal living anywhere on Earth is descended from another genus, and Christianity has nothing to do with "religion" as it is a personal relationship to the Saviour at its onset. Anti-Semitic dogmatists without exception hate Genesis through Revelation in any case, and Darwinism is a vile racist fairy tale. It was very sad and indeed pathological that the alcoholic Marxist blasphemer "Hitch" not only lied about the historiography of the Old and New Testaments for decades, but he also died hopeless and unconscious on 15 December 2011 A. D. at an outstanding hospital in Texas after a long illness. No offense is intended since his fatuous "argument" had NO substantial basis in ecclesiology, cosmology, ontology, epistemology, classical literature, archaeological discoveries, linguistic derivations or the scientific method. I never converse with inanimate objects, and rational exegetes worldwide proved that the jailbird "FFreeThinker" website is a stupid Trotskyite cyber fraud operated by worthless spambots daily (ever since its unauthorized origin as that illicit nonentity a la mortemain). It often deletes important and truthful comments because such Internet hacker software cannot be formatted to perceive authenticity per se in a realistic context. Logic guarantees that any "commitment to a certain kind of dialectic" inevitably results in circular reasoning, and the crackpot fabrication that "Jesus of Nazaeth is a myth" has been summarily dismissed by sane people everywhere.
ευλογητος ο θεος και πατηρ του κυριου ημων ιησου χριστου ο κατα το πολυ αυτου ελεος αναγεννησας ημας εις ελπιδα ζωσαν δι αναστασεως ιησου χριστου εκ νεκρων Translated into the perfect English of the inerrant King James Bible, the ancient Greek reads: "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead" (1Peter 1:3). Salvation is of the LORD by grace through faith alone in the only-begotten Son of God alone.
“The doctrine of eternal punishment is in perfect harmony with the savagery of the men who made the orthodox creeds. It is in harmony with torture, with flaying alive, and with burnings. The men who burned their fellow-men for a moment, believed that God would burn his enemies forever.”
― Robert G. Ingersoll (1833-1899) statesman and orator
ergonomover
Question:
What punishment would be to severe for a Paedophile priest?
So it’s not the punishment of evil that’s the issue here, it’s what is the definition of good and evil.
Gods says because of sin we perceive good and evil often differently to our perfect creator.
“They shall call evil good and good evil”
For example, God would see murdering a defenceless unborn baby as unspeakably evil and deserving of punishment.
A woman may perceive it as her right to abort the unborn life.
But I would ask a pro-choicer if a man deliberately punched you in the stomach and you lost the baby should that man be charged with murder.
I believe most pro-choicers would want him charged with murder!
So they can justify their own evil but not his.
A slightly more intelligent statement from ingersoll. Ergo, are you not getting bored with that book yet?
Hitchens was amazing. I wish I could have sat down for dinner with him.
He (correction) was intelligent but also biased on some subjects.
drewlovelyhell4892
“I wish I could have sat down for dinner with him.”
Make your you bring plenty of wine though🤔
@@stephenireland3816 Way ahead of you! 😁🍷🍷🍷
"On the (bogus) deathbed conversion - I spent my father’s final weeks and days at his bedside and watched him draw his final breath and die, and can assure you that there was no hint of any sort of conversion (as I’m sure you have already guessed). In fact, we barely spoke about religion at all except for joint expressions of frustration at the god botherers who made the rounds in the ICU and other units where dying people could be preyed upon by vulturous Christians." --Hitch's son, Alexander Hitchens
Charles Darwin's daughter similarly had to fight the lie that Darwin doubted his theory or converted on his deathbed.
Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899) had to fight the lie that Thomas Paine had died “howling and terrified”, recanting his assaults on organised religion and the reliability of the Bible. Ingersoll won a bet, Paine died a "blaspheming infidel".
Fake archeologist Ron Wyatt's top collaborator at Durupinar rock formation (claimed to be Noah's Ark) was named David Fasold. He broke with Wyatt and denounced the fraud, then he fell sick. Evangelists came to his deathbed, pleading that he retract his denunciation. Then they said he had a last minute change of heart, denied by Fasold's friend Dr Collins, an actual geologist.
No respect for the dead, so desperate as to lie, to mitigate the message?
When Chris died they left him out on the curb to rot, in a week he smelled worst than his lectures
@@arctic6603 Lectures have odors now, dude, what are you smoking? Yeah, we are all going to die and rot away, it's a fact.
@@arctic6603 - that is a sick comment to make about any human being - least of all CHRISTOPHER Hitchens..... as his mother named him.
With every dumbass quote you post, you only reveal how uninformed you are. There is never any “evidence” of conversion. Conversion happens when you simply believe that Jesus died on the cross to pay for your sins and was resurrected in three days. Boom: you are now “converted” if you sincerely believe it. You’re idiotic mindset of needing proof of every tiny little shit-stain in your life has corrupted your ability to understand what the word “believe” means. It means you believe it, that’s it. Don’t expect rainbows to come flying out of someone’s ass when they finally admit the truth.
The world is a far lesser place without this man in it.
Nope. It’s a nice opinion, but his own teachings would say you move on as there is nothing he said that someone else couldn’t have also created (whether truth or lie).
He was an emotional wreck and did not have a clue concerning the true meaning of life. We fell here from Heaven are are supposed to seek God and to return home to Heaven, not deny that Heaven and God both exist, wow, what a terrible path to take, backwards.
“If we long for our planet to be important, there is something we can do about it. We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the depth of our answers.”
― Carl Sagan, Cosmos
Not you again.
@@jos.petkus509 Yes, there was, is and will be things to debate here, dry your tears.
Produce evidence. In fact, you have nothing at all. No further explanation of atheist cartoons is necessary. QED
No, you are wrong again. You forgot to define your terms. We have all the documented evidence about Count Lyev Nikolayevich Tolstoy that we need. There are no significant questions about the historicity of the Lord Jesus Christ today. This silly anti-Semitic video contradicts the Gospel with malicious intent. No further explanation of your luncheons is necessary. QED.
Your jokes are not even funny. No further explanation of atheist cartoons is necessary. QED.
superb as usual
Such clarity of thought and speech, so knowledgeable and utterly persuasive - such a profound loss to humanity.
Not really and he would have been one of the first to say so more than likely. He for instance in this video says it really doesn’t matter that Socrates existed or not because the thoughts he developed would have been developed even without him. Cannot really claim otherwise for Hitchens.
The man. If I had had just ONE teacher with his brain and communication skills....Oh well...
It depends on the topic though. Very brilliant on some, too biased on others.
I'm an ex member of a religious sect, and while being well known for my sharp memory and intellect among the group, I was called and flown out to the HQ of the founder of the sect to help him remember bible verses during his teaching. His health was declining and I filled that lack for him. Yet he was around 70-75 at the time. The point of this story is being 70 and his memory being in such a decline. Since the gospel stories are recorded around 70 - 100 AD, that would put the authors of gospels at well over 70 years old to write down the story of jesus. This being said im sure you can put the pieces together. lol
No
I think I get it, the gospel stories were either not recorded by eyewitnesses or the eyewitnesses were too old to be reliable.
It seems life expectancy at birth for the people 2000 years ago was about 25 years of age.
Odds are none of the gospel stories were written by eyewitnesses. Hearsay evidence is known to be weak and unreliable.
ευλογητος ο θεος και πατηρ του κυριου ημων ιησου χριστου ο κατα το πολυ αυτου ελεος αναγεννησας ημας εις ελπιδα ζωσαν δι αναστασεως ιησου χριστου εκ νεκρων Translated into the perfect English of the inerrant King James Bible, the ancient Greek reads: "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead" (1Peter 1:3). Salvation is of the LORD by grace through faith alone in the only-begotten Son of God alone.
@@jjpetkusiii5213 Would it be "malicious" to point out that your wonderful King James Version was ordered by a bisexual man? James the First wrote several love-letters to a young courtier named George Villiers, calling him "my wife".
Science informs us that the Earth did not exist "in the beginning", errant from the very beginning is the KJV.
No.
“Perhaps I'm old and tired, but I always think that the chances of finding out what really is going on are so absurdly remote that the only thing to do is to say hang the sense of it and just keep yourself occupied.” ― Douglas Adams
Nothing was debated here. Everlasting salvation from sin by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ testifies of His eternal holiness. τις ημας χωρισει απο της αγαπης του χριστου θλιψις η στενοχωρια η διωγμος η λιμος η γυμνοτης η κινδυνος η μαχαιρα Translated into the perfect English of the inerrant King James Bible, that ancient Koine Greek text reads: "Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?" (Romans 8 : 35). The only-begotten Son of God is the Prince of Peace, and the Saviour averred the Hebrew Tanakh consistently. Intelligent minds want to know what happened after He arose from the dead almost two millennia ago. Modern geologists describe hell as the molten core of the center of the Earth, and the historicity of Noah's Flood is well beyond legitimate dispute. Charles Lyell's geological deception set the stage for Darwinism, a Satanic fantasy couched in obscurantist jargon. Even the senseless title of this absurd video is completely misleading, and solid evidence based on more than 5,000 extant MSS established the integrity of the infallible Holy Scriptures long before C. R. Darwin succumbed to his diseases in 1882. No species of plant or animal living anywhere on Earth came from another genus, and Christianity has nothing to do with "religion" as it is a personal relationship to the Saviour at its onset I never converse with inanimate objects, and rational exegetes worldwide proved that the jailbird "FFreeThinker" website is a stupid Marxist cyber fraud operated by worthless spambots daily (ever since its unauthorized origin as that illicit nonentity a la mortemain). It often deletes important and truthful comments because such Internet hacker software cannot be formatted to perceive substantive facts in a realistic context. The alcoholic Trotskyite blasphemer "Hitch" deliberately lied about the historiography of the Old and New Testaments for decades, but he also died hopeless and unconscious on 15 December 2011 A.D. at a cancer treatment facility in Texas after a long illness. No offense is since his fatuous "argument" had NO legitimate basis in ecclesiology, cosmology, ontology, epistemology, classical literature, archaeological discoveries, British Common Law, the scientific method, advanced prophetic eschatology or unadulterated linguistic derivations. Anti-Semitic dogmatists without exception hate Genesis through Revelation in any case, and Darwinism is a vile racist fairy tale. Logic guarantees that any "commitment to a certain kind of dialectic" inevitably results in circular reasoning, and it is very sad that amoral hypocrites along with their fellow illiterate narcissists pretending to think for themselves cannot understand how fanatical skepticism fails at everything when they copy and paste their baseless libels against Christians and Jews on pointless blogs controlled by depraved militants who receive venal contributions from senile totalitarian fools.
An honest reflection
Not any more................................falundafa
@@jjpetkusiii what's it like being insane?
@@Jeff-66well of you read all that incoherent rant you must have a pretty good idea
A phenomenal speaker and an even greater mind, who took on the biggest concepts and ideas with rigour and who never backed down from an intellectual challenge.
I wish he was still with us.
Your statement is a bit disrespectful to him and his beliefs. Wishing someone to still be with us who naturally died is something Chris would criticize as the moaning and stupidity of the theist (at least if he was consistent).
@@tjones5719 I don't agree. I am not pining for someone who made his presence in antiquity, rather someone who was in his prime not very long ago and who died far too young, but that of course is a matter of opinion.
@@crispybits3765 “I am not pining for someone”. Nice lie as you said “I wish he was still with us.”
And then you double down on something Chris again would be against “who died far too young” sorry that’s life and people die at many different ages, lamenting that is respectful to Chris’s legacy.
@@tjones5719 You seem intent on an argument, based on what you think is your superior understanding of what Hitch was about.
For a start, Christopher, not "Chris", (which you really should know is a shorthand that he absolutely detested) could be quite sentimental himself.
Do some research and see how he reflected mournfully about the people who he respected and whose passing he regarded as being far too early. I will help out and name a few; Leon Trotsky, George Orwell, Peter Sedgwick, Salvador Allende and Paul Foot, just for starters. Are you suggesting that Hitch would not have liked to see these people live longer? Could I also stray into slightly cruder territory and suggest that he would not have wanted his Mother to live longer than she did?
None of this contradicts antitheist beliefs. Quite the opposite, as it is the desire to retain the one life we have and make as much of it as we possibly can.
@@crispybits3765 “You seem intent on an argument based on what you think is your superior understanding of what Hitch was about.” Nice strawman as the issue is you have lied. Once you can acknowledge that we can proceed with the rest.
“For a start…possibly can.”
"Simply because a man dies for something doesn't mean it is true" - Oscar Wilde
Also - look up Apollonious of Tyrana, the twin of Jesus of Nazareth, who preached the same messages, performed miracles, had disciples, was better known, in the same time period. Fascinating comparison of the two men in Bart Erhman's book.
Religion is the biggest obstacle of human progress. The World is waking up to idiocracy of this method of Slavery.
This video is stupid. He really thinks that those who spend their entire lives hating Jesus are going to be honest about their archeological findings. Man hates God and Jesus proved it, and this incessant rambling demanding evidence is just proof. His knowledge of the Bible is also very weak; he constantly misquotes people and uses religion as a scapegoat to disprove God. Jesus literally came down to prove that religious people have no idea who God is, but once again, Hitchens would know this if he actually understood it.
Actually, the Catholic Church gave us modern science. Nowadays, it is the largest charity, it has the largest healthcare system, and has the largest private school system.
@@truecatholic8692 they control science. They didn’t give us anything’s you’re an idiot if you think the Church is beneficial to humanity in any way.
@@truecatholic8692
Really?
Tell me why catholic church silenced Gallileo
@@Kamisama77 "Neither, the Catholic Church had approved Copernicus in the previous century when he first put forward the heliocentric model. The only thing that the Catholic Church was telling Galileo was that until he could PROVE it, he could only teach his theory as a theory!
The telescope he had developed was not powerful enough to prove it, and his theory would remain a theory for another century or more until they could actually prove it.
The Catholic Church has always been at the forefront of science, and in fact modern science is a result of the Catholic faith, which is why modern science only developed in Catholicism.
For more details, pick up How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization by Thomas E. Woods, Jr."
God to Adam: 'Do not eat of this luscious fruit I'm dangling before your eyes - disobey me and you will die.'
Adam to God: 'Okay but if I cannot eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, how do I know if disobedience is good or evil?'
God to Adam: 'Trust with all your heart, lean not on your own understanding. Don't question Authority, don't think for yourself.'
Adam to God: 'Whatever, will you at least tell me what is "die" and death, is it good or evil - oh right, you prefer to punish me (and all my descendants) for lacking knowledge that you withheld.'
Makes perfect sense for a religion in need of a scapegoat.
No
@@jos.petkus509 "No", you cannot think for yourself? No, you cannot question Authority? What a shame, we'll do it for you.
Produce evidence. In fact, you have nothing at all. No further explanation of atheist cartoons is necessary, QED.
@@jos.petkus509 Evidence of what? Where is your evidence? The bible is not evidence that the bible is true, circular reasoning is a fallacy. In fact, I have thousands of data points that tend to refute religion. Sad day for you.
No, you are wrong again. You forgot to define your terms. We have all the documented evidence about Count Lyev Nikolayevich Tolstoy that we need. There are no significant questions about the historicity of the Lord Jesus Christ today. This silly anti-Semitic video contradicts the Gospel with malicious intent. No further explanation of your luncheons is necessary. QED.
"Infinite punishment is infinite cruelty, endless injustice, immortal meanness. To worship an eternal gaoler hardens, debases, and pollutes even the vilest soul. While there is one sad and breaking heart in the universe, no good being can be perfectly happy."
--Colonel Robert Ingersoll, statesman and orator
When the Hitch wakes up and is sent back to sleep that will be his eternal punishment but not before wailing and gnashing of teeth.
@@solb101 Coercion must be the weakest and lamest argument in favor of the existence of God or gods.
What part of Hitchens will wake up now that the atoms of his body have redispersed to universe from which they came?
Yep and no-one need to suffer eternal punishment for evil deeds because God payed the price for our evil deeds when he died on the cross physically.
@@stephenireland3816 Unfortunately Hitchens did not want that forgiveness.
@jounisuninen
If hitch was self-righteousness he wouldn’t have seen a need to be forgiven.
Amen.
Well that would make sense with the religion this person espouses.
sarcasmo57
Or “Thank God I’m an atheist”
RIP. What a scintillating mind.
@lippypongstockings8356
“What a scintillating mind.”
A pickled mind would be more accurate. Hitch hit the bottle hard.
@@stephenireland3816 And yet still remained the brightest person in the room.
lippypongstockings8356
God’s word says much knowledge can puff up ie. Pride!
If knowledge was required to know and find God then Hitch would’ve been first to find God.
But God made a simple way of contact for everyone.
God didn’t just want a relationship with smart people it appears.
Just a little knowledge and a little faith is required to receive what Jesus has already done for us all.
"God did not create man in his own image. Evidently, it was quite the other way about, which is the painless explanation for the profusion of gods and religions, and the fratricide both between and among faiths, that we see all about us and that has so retarded the development of civilization."
- Christopher Hitchens (God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything)
Well certainly the gods man creates are not good!
So I mostly agree with you and Hitch as a bible believer.
@@stephenireland3816 "Well certainly the gods man creates are not good! " Spot on 😎
Also Hitchens creates gods who are cruel, evil etc. and then he attacks these straw men he builds. He obviously never even wanted to meet Jesus Christ, let alone learn to know Him.
i love his vocal delivery, how he rushes up to one word, and then delivers it as an almost afterthought, like "intelligence"
He’s a skilled speaker for sure. It’s kind of like a magician, getting peoples attention on one thing and looking past sometimes the failings of his argument.
@derek giesbrecht
If you watch this on mute it’s hilarious. Lots of emotional arm waving by Hitch.
That particular style of his irritates the crap out of me. It's as if his mind has already moved on to the next line while his voice is still busy with the last one.
@@grantm6514 Good description, but i like it, not as boring as a lot of speakers, i guess myself included. So, i can't really describe why i like it, or than its unique, and sounds a bit snobbish. Of course, i like Gilbert Gottfried too, and Truman Capote, and Bill Burr, it's distinctive
brilliant
Some things Hitchens says are brilliant but he was a bit too indoctrinated to be brilliant on the topic of theist religion.
@@tjones5719 Would you be so kind as to provide examples of Hitchens' supposed indoctrination? Can we agree with the Oxford Learner's dictionary that indoctrination is "the act or process of forcing somebody to accept a particular belief or set of beliefs and not allowing them to consider any others" ? Please give examples of what beliefs Hitchens forcefully teaches and how he disallows other ideas from being considered.
It seems to me that debates such as in this clip are examples of Hitchens considering the ideas of his opponent, Dinesh DeSouza.
@@ergonomover “Can we agree with the Oxford Learner's dictionary that indoctrination is "the act or process of forcing somebody to accept a particular belief or set of beliefs and not allowing them to consider any others"”
First we should agree on the working definition of indoctrinated.
Second no we won’t use your cherry picked definition seeing I am the one who used the word.
Merriam Webster defines indoctrinate as either
“to imbue with a usually partisan or sectarian opinion, point of view, or principle”
Or
“to instruct especially in fundamentals or rudiments”
And so my use of the word is consistent with the first definition listed. Can you agree to that or will you continue cherry picking and ignoring full meanings of words…it’s up to you.
@@tjones5719 Nice to see that you now accept Webster after you ignorantly denied their definition of atheism: a lack of belief. Like I've done before for "atheism" and "to lie", I can give several dictionary definitions of indoctrination, such as "the process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically." (Oxford Languages dictionary), but let's go with Webster's "to imbue with a usually partisan... opinion". Webster defines partisan as "a firm adherent to a party, faction, cause, or person;" Hitchens is on record as a defender of logic, reason and scientific inquiry. Please explain how that prevents him from saying brilliant things about religion. So far, you haven't provided the slightest example or explanation.
His bestseller book "God is not Great" is evidence that many people find some of his pronouncements on religion rather brilliant. And please avoid projecting your love of cherry-picked definitions upon me. Only by cherry-picking hard could you hope to separate intent to deceive from the verb "to lie", and I think you may have learned that by now. If so, good job!
@@ergonomover
“Nice to see that you now accept Webster after you ignorantly denied their definition of atheism: a lack of belief.” Nice lie. You never seem to be able to state facts correctly. I even supported the use of Webster’s for a lie which supported my contention that intent was not required.
And again a lie because the definition of atheism you gave from Webster’s was “1a: a lack of belief or a strong disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods" (Merriam Webster dictionary).” You provided this on October 8. So you even tried to change the definition.
You see I didn’t deny the Webster definition for atheism, I simply was able to point out that you didn’t lack belief but rather believed a god doesn’t exist as captured here by me “Ergonomover lies that he only lacks belief in god. He refused to respond to the posting of I think around 8 quotes he has endorsed by posting in this comment section, all of which say god doesn’t exist. I don’t know anyone who posts that many quotes about things he supposedly doesn’t believe.”
“Like I've done before for "atheism" and "to lie", I can give several dictionary definitions of indoctrination”. And as we noted with “lie” your selected definition sources all supported my view. You really think after all this time I would forget that.
“…such as "the process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically." (Oxford Languages dictionary), but let's go with Webster's "to imbue with a usually partisan... opinion"”. Nice cherry pick again. The definition is “to imbue with a usually partisan or sectarian opinion, point of view, or principle”. Note how it says “or” sectarian yet you lie and act as if it only says “partisan.” And sectarian can mean “of, relating to, or characteristic of a sect or sectarian” Or “limited in character or scope”
“Webster defines partisan as "a firm adherent to a party, faction, cause, or person;" and this is only given by you due to your cherry pick.
“Hitchens is on record as a defender of logic, reason and scientific inquiry.” Nice unsupported claim when it comes to god, you provide no evidence.
“Please explain how that prevents him from saying brilliant things about religion.” Nice strawman. I didn’t say anything about use logic reason and scientific inquiry is his indoctrination. Sorry but you are getting more illogical.
“So far, you haven't provided the slightest example or explanation.” Because we are trying to get you to stick to what I said and actually agree to the definition.
“His bestseller book "God is not Great" is evidence that many people find some of his pronouncements on religion rather brilliant.” Nice red herring that has nothing to do with my statement and it’s also an argument ad populum.
“And please avoid projecting your love of cherry-picked definitions upon me.” No worries, you cherry picked all on your own.
“Only by cherry-picking hard could you hope to separate intent to deceive from the verb "to lie", and I think you may have learned that by now. If so, good job!” Nice projection and lie. In the end every source of definition for lie you have agreed with me that intent was not necessary. So you were the only one who failed to learn the lesson.
I truly miss Hitch. What astounding brilliance that man had.
How does that matter to Socrates now? Atheism has always been irrelevant to the scientific method and the historiography of the infallible Holy Scriptures regardless of language. No further explanation is necessary. QED.
No.
Not you again.
@@jos.petkus509 Who else?
hes was a legend
From what I understand of Socrates was you may ask me a question but my answer to that question will beget further questions. And I understand this to mean that, a question asked should not be taken as gospel and leave it at that! Keep asking questions.
+atomant451 Excellent points and very timely. The Lord Jesus Christ is the Prince of Peace, and the Saviour also averred the Hebrew Tanakh. επερωτηθεις δε υπο των φαρισαιων ποτε ερχεται η βασιλεια του θεου απεκριθη αυτοις και ειπεν ουκ ερχεται η βασιλεια του θεου μετα παρατηρησεως In the inerrant King James Bible, the ancient Greek reads: "And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation" (Luke 17:20). Charles Lyell’s geological deceptions set the stage for Darwinism, a Satanic fantasy in obscurantist language. Salvation through faith alone in the only-begotten Son of God testifies of His holiness, and it is always a miracle of grace. Sadly, the professional Antichrist liar "Hitch" knew that he was a hell-bound sodomite according to both the Old and New Testaments in their original languages before he left Balliol College at Oxford to write for "International Socialism." Although his ridiculous atheist psychobabble is altogether immaterial to ecclesiology, philosophy, linguistics, historiography, exegesis, and the scientific method, his bizarre anti-Semitic misogyny still appalls me.
jjpetkusiii copy and paste the same reply 1000 times it still does not stop the fact that the bible is made up hogwash and the God portrayed in the old testament is a wicked, selfish, murderous, and immature child.
Religion is a mental illness and you need psychological help. You poor poor man.
Socrates believed that every "person" is able to reason, think, etc when asked the right questions.
+I. V. d M. Yes, the heathen idolater Socrates was wrong about his "think" fallacy as history has proven many times over. I couldn't disagree with the late C. E. Hitchens more. The Lord Jesus Christ said, "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female" (Mark 10: 6). Eternal salvation from sin by grace through faith solely in Him testifies of His holiness, and Christianity has nothing to do with "religion" because it is a personal relationship to the Saviour. The only-begotten Son of God is the Prince of Peace, and He also averred the Hebrew Tanakh. Simply put, atheism is the pathological denial of Almighty God, and modern geologists describe hell as the molten core of the center of the Earth. The historicity of Noah's Flood is well beyond legitimate dispute, and Darwinism is a vile anti-Semitic fairy tale. Even the term "theory" of evolution" is a scientific misnomer because Darwin's racist hypotheses cannot be proven by observation. Of course, since they have never been proven they are inherently false, and Hitchens wrote turgid Marxist prose. Sadly, the Trotskyite blasphemer "Hitch" became a professional Antichrist liar, and his fellow sodomites called him "Hitch the bitch." As a matter of fact, he died of metastasized cancer years ago, and his atheist followers are unaware that his ridiculous and immoral claims have NO substantial basis in historiography, linguistics, philosophy, ecclesiology, classical literature or the scientific method. Solid evidence based on more than 5, 000 extant MSS established the integrity of the inerrant King James Bible long before C. R. Darwin died in 1882, and this stupid video still mutters incoherently for itself. Its gauche revisionism and bizarre misogyny continue to appall me.
The “inerrant King James bible” was commissioned by King James I--a self-admitted and flagrant homosexual.
Sir Walter Raleigh, a friend of James’ court, once observed that “We had King Elizabeth and now we have Queen James."
Jesus never instructed not preparing for tomorrow, he said to put God before all those things.
Hitchens once again contorting words.
It is a larger error by Hitchens.
Jesus did not say "Take therefore no thought for the morrow" Matt 6 :34? (KJV)
What is your -contorted- interpretation based upon?
@@ergonomover unless I am missing a transition, Matthew 6 is Jesus talking primarily.
@@ergonomover yes, that is what he says but it’s not black or white as Hitchens tries to point out. Meaning, just because Jesus taught to not worry about tomorrow doesn’t mean we don’t prepare, work, save, etc. Black or white meaning it’s not either I’ll choose to not worry about what tomorrow brings therefore I will pretend life doesn’t happen or that tomorrow won’t come or I’ll choose to acknowledge that but simultaneously worry myself sick. What Jesus is saying is there will be worries associated with tomorrow but don’t worry about them meaning don’t be anxious. And it’s all clear when you read the verse before it you see that he wants us to acknowledge him first and seek first the kingdom. If you do that then even when the worries of tomorrow come you’ll have peace and know what to do. Guidance and direction. The kingdom of heaven he’s referring to is not heaven the place but rather a deep meaningful relationship with him while here on earth via the Holy Spirit that fills you when you are born again.
Trolling Jones
“It is a larger error by Hitchens.”
No it’s a lie by Hitch by deliberately taking something said out of context.
Something you also do regularly.
I completely disagree with him and side 100% with John Lennox but I would love to see endless debates between them and they are both extremely intelligent and thought provoking.
"We keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality."
The colonial era justification of genocide of native peoples by various denominations of Christianity shows the true face of "morality" pushed by the Christian church. That is all about power and control. True morality does not need religion, primatologist Frans de Waal brilliantly showed this in his studies.
Nothing was debated here. The fulfillment of prophecy over the millennia confirms the veracity of the Gospel always continuing to speak for itself. Everlasting salvation from sin by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ testifies of His eternal holiness. ο δε πιλατος βουλοbbμενος τω οχλω το ικανον ποιησαι απελυσεν αυτοις τον βαραββαν και παρεδωκεν τον ιησουν φραγελλωσας ινα σταυρωθη Translated flawlessly, the original Biblical text reads: "And so Pilate, willing to content the people, released Barabbas unto them, and delivered Jesus, when he had scourged him, to be crucified" (Mark 15:15). Born of virgin in Bethlehem, the only-begotten Son of God is the Prince of Peace, and the Saviour averred the Hebrew Tanakh consistently as a documented matter of immutable fact. Even the senseless title of this absurd video is completely misleading, and its obviously revisionist psychobabble always was nonessential. Charles Lyell's geological deceptions set the stage for Darwinism, a Satanic fantasy couched in obscurantist jargon. Both the accuracy and clarity of the inerrant King James Bible are unrivalled in any modern language. Solid evidence based on more than 5,000 extant manuscripts established the integrity of the infallible Holy Scriptures that clearly record the death, burial and Resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ long before C. R. Darwin succumbed to his diseases in 1882. No species of plant or animal living anywhere on Earth came from another genus, and Christianity has nothing to do with "religion" inasmuch as it is a personal relationship to the Saviour at its onset. Logic guarantees that any "commitment to a certain kind of dialectic" inevitably results in circular reasoning, and modern geologists describe hell as the molten core of the center of the Earth past, present and future. I never converse with inanimate objects, and rational exegetes worldwide proved that the jailbird "FFreeThinker" website is a ridiculous Trotskyite cyber fraud operated by worthless spambots daily (ever since its unauthorized origin as that illicit nonentity a la mortemain). It often deleted important and truthful comments because such Internet hacker software cannot be formatted to perceive authenticity per se in a realistic context. It was very sad and indeed pathological that the alcoholic Marxist blasphemer "Hitch" deliberately lied about the historiography of the Old and New Testaments for decades, but he also died hopeless and unconscious on 15 December 2011 A. D. at an excellent hospital in Texas after a long illness. No offense is intended since his fatuous "argument" had NO substantial basis in ecclesiology, cosmology, ontology, epistemology, classical literature, archaeological discoveries, unadulterated linguistic derivations, British Common Law, or the scientific method, and anti-Semitic dogmatists without exception hate Genesis through Revelation in any case.
Nice try, Alex.
There was no debate here. "Hitch" tried to amuse uneducated atheists only to sell them his ridiculous books. μη θαυμασης οτι ειπον σοι δει υμας γεννηθηναι ανωθεν Translated flawlessly into the inerrant King James Bible, those words of the Lord Jesus Christ read: "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again" (John 3 : 7). Everlasting salvation from sin by grace through faith in Him testifies of His holiness, and the fulfillment of prophecy confirms the veracity of the Gospel that speaks for itself. Intelligent minds want to know what happened after the Saviour arose from the dead almost two millennia ago. Born of a virgin in Bethlehem, the only-begotten Son of God is the Prince of Peace, and the Lord Jesus Christ averred the Hebrew Tanakh consistently as a documented matter of immutable fact. Solid evidence based on more than 5,000 extant manuscripts established the integrity of the infallible Holy Scriptures long before C. R. Darwin succumbed to his various diseases in 1882. Even the senseless title of this absurd video is completely misleading, and modern geologists describe hell as the molten core of the center of the Earth past, present and future. No species of plant or animal living anywhere on Earth came from another genus, and Christianity has nothing to do with "religion" as it is a personal relationship to the Saviour at its onset. I never converse with inanimate objects, and rational exegetes worldwide proved that the jailbird "FFreeThinker" website is a stupid Marxist cyber fraud operated by worthless spambots daily (ever since its unauthorized origin as that illicit nonentity a la mortemain). It often deletes important and truthful comments because such Internet hacker software cannot be formatted to perceive authenticity per se in a realistic context. It was very sad and indeed pathological that the alcoholic Trotskyite blasphemer "Hitch" deliberately lied about the historiography of the Old and New Testaments for decades, but he also died hopeless and unconscious on 15 December 2011 A.D. at an outstanding hospital in Texas after a long illness. Logic guarantees that any "commitment to a certain kind of dialectic" inevitably results in circular reasoning, and that is what amoral hypocrites who plagiarize ungodly charlatans along with their fellow illiterate narcissists pretending to think for themselves cannot understand. Nothing about them pertains to ecclesiology, ontology, cosmology, epistemology, love, common sense, archaeological discoveries, linguistic derivations, classical literature, the scientific method, British Common Law, advanced prophetic eschatology or the Lord God omnipotent whenever they copy and paste their baseless libels against Christians and Jews on pointless blogs controlled by depraved militants who receive venal contributions from senile totalitarian fools.
@@jjpetkusiii Logic guarantees that any "commitment to a certain kind of dialectic" inevitably results in circular reasoning
There you are, you said it yourself.
And btw the violent atrocities perpetrated against Catholics (inevitably, almost always Irish) and native peoples in developing countries was so, so often carried out by Protestants who believed that the King James Bible - a text that did not even exist before 1611 - made them by moral default superior to other Christians, Muslims, Jews and Hindus, all of whom had sacred texts going back thousands of years. Check it out - there is this thing called history which gives the lie to so much of your deluded ramblings.
And Christopher Hitchens was not antisemitic - he was himself half-Jewish. You, on the other hand, sound like a klansman.
Legend. thanks for telling the truth. love & respect.
"Hitch" stopped changing his shirts on 15 December 2011 A. D., but this silly anti-Semitic video still contradicts the Gospel with malicious intent. No further explanation of atheist cartoons is necessary. QED.
Except that it’s false
@@jos.petkus509 He was part Jewish himself Einstein....
@@HawklordLI Judaism is a practice.. Not a bloodline...
@@History_MadeMe_Catholic
Jewish is also considered a culture. Many people consider themselves Jewish, but are atheists.
I've found Barbara Thiering's book, _Jesus the Man_ , and her documentary about the so-called miracles believed by the Church, to be very plausible. She interprets the Dead Sea Scrolls, explaining the meaning behind the "virgin birth", what "angels" were, and so on. As for Christopher Hitchens, he makes some valid points here. He left the world too early. A true intellectual.
Why do you find the book and documentary plausible?
@@tjones5719Why should anybody not find it plausible?
Have *you* read it?
If so, why do you think that somebody should not find it plausible and if not the same question applies but more emphatically.
@@John_Lyle “Why should anybody not find it plausible? Have you read it? If so, why do you think that somebody should not find it plausible and if not the same question applies but more emphatically.” Nice strawman as I said nothing about someone not finding it plausible. You really are desperate, negative and contrarian for no reason.
I do find it interesting by your strawman that you are defending Jesus and Christian miracles.
@@tjones5719 You were the one who questioned the plausibility of the opus, so what reason do you have?
And where did you pull the lie about me defending Christianity from? You are the one who routinely defends the Christian religion while ignoring criticism of all other religions. That is why I know that your claim to be "not a Theist" is a lie, yoour actions in defence of the Christian religion speak louder than your weasel words claiming to be "not a Theist"
@@John_Lyle “You were the one who questioned the plausibility of the opus”. Nice strawman but again you make up something I didn’t say. You are so desperate.
And this part becomes a non sequitur as it is based on your strawman “so…have?”
“And where did you pull the lie about me defending Christianity from?” Nice feigning confusion but it was right in your post that I quoted.
And then you trot out your lies and failures that just show your indoctrination. These have already been refuted “You are…a Theist”.”
“I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children;
Disappointed with the prolific amount of religious sheeple in the comments
I agree. There is no problem with the inerrant King James Bible in Modern English today; nor is there any legitimate "controversy" about its infallibility in the lingua franca of our contemporary world except in the corrupt minds and foul mouths of liars, deceivers, heretics, apostates, illiterate plagiarists, simple-minded fools and obnoxious atheists. Salvation is of the LORD by grace through faith alone in the only-begotten Son of God alone regardless of language today. The Lord Jesus Christ said, "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again" (John 3:7).
***** Amen! τις ημας χωρισει απο της αγαπης του χριστου θλιψις η στενοχωρια η διωγμος η λιμος η γυμνοτης η κινδυνος η μαχαιρα "Translated into the perfect English of the infallible King James Bible, that ancient Koine Greek text reads: Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?" (Romans 8:35). Only the Lord Jesus Christ saves lost sinners by grace through faith alone in Him, the only-begotten Son of God, alone.
EtScripturaeSanctae Dear +Oldtinear you need serious professional Help!!
Charles Hopkins So, if I disagree with your views on religion I 'need serious professional Help', do I? That's an improvement - most Christians on this thread say that people who disagree with their views on religion need burning!
***** He almost certainly has more than three sock accounts - the silliest, emptiest, repetitive drivel from any of them gets 9 or ten thumbs up. All the counter opinions show none, because of thumbing down.
What a great snippet. Nobody beats the Hitch. He makes is simple with that eloquent voice.
No.
Why does a snippet matter to Socrates now? Atheism has always been irrelevant to the scientific method and the historiography of the infallible Holy Scriptures regardless of language. No further explanation is necessary. QED.
Not you again.
No.
No question about the historicity of the Lord Jesus Christ has ever been proven. This silly video contradicts the Gospel with malicious intent. No further explanation is necessary. QED.
missed so much
"We're going to the desert?! What, there aren't enough graves in Egypt?"
this is the great gift of enlightenment thinking… the scientific method and the dispassionate rationale analysis, stripped of dogma , fantasy, delusion and superstition (the bed fellows of illiteracy and misguided belief)
"Hitch" stopped changing his shirts on 15 December 2011 A. D., but this silly anti-Semitic video still contradicts the Gospel with malicious intent. No further explanation of atheist cartoons is necessary. QED.
Actually, the Catholic Church gave us modern science.
Ha!! It requires faith to believe in the theory of evolution. So much for the scientific method and dispassionate rational analysis. You can't reproduce a crossover in species in the lab. Lots of things you can't reproduce in the lab that the theory claims is true. I would add that I believe that atheistic thinking has placed an unintended bias into science. It doesn't consider religious teachings at all as possibly being true. It "assumes" (ass u me) all religious teachings are myth. How scientific!
"The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference." --biologist Richard Dawkins
"Hitch" stopped changing his shirts on 15 December 2011 A. D., but this silly anti-Semitic video still contradicts the Gospel with malicious intent. No further explanation of atheist cartoons is necessary. QED.
@@jos.petkus509 Who did Hitch intend to harm? Ridding people of delusions is helping them.
@@ergonomover I guess it's like when you tell kids that Santa isn't real, there's some sadness for the loss of the magic. And Santa doesn't give eternal life!
@@cj1000 If a better explanation of the universe than big bang and evolution could be demonstrated, I might find it saddening and frustrating to have been in the wrong so long. But then I'd drag myself off the floor and move along, maybe happy to be on the right track again.
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The only real question is.
Do you love?
"And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them."
Consider that, "Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof." is simply another way to say, 'be mindful of the moment you are in"
It is God telling us He loves us and will sustain us.
Perfection is not required, only to love.
Those who do, will not leave things undone.
And if that is the real question “Do you love?” Many atheists and theists can lay claim to that and the religion side of theism doesn’t loom as large.
@@tjones5719 Religion never saved anyone.
"He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God."
@@danschoenharl3856 “religion never saved anyone” so give up talking about this god being and just love. That’s all according to you that needs to be done.
@@tjones5719 "We love Him because He first loved us."
Feel free to make your own choice.
@@danschoenharl3856 I know I am free to make my own choice, the item you brought into this discussion is that you really didn’t need to believe in a god, didn’t need to follow a bunch of rules but rather just love. I am trying to explore that with you.
"To 'choose' dogma and faith over doubt and experience is to throw out the ripening vintage and to reach greedily for the Kool-Aid."
- Christopher Hitchens (God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything)
I would be careful of over-quoting Christopher Hitchens until it begins to resemble scripture.
@@maskedmarvyl4774 I would go on carefully countering religious spam by user jjepkusiii (who slanders Hitchens) with quotes by the man no longer around to defend himself.
If it looks like scripture to you, perhaps it is because the man was gifted, and his message profound.
I think Hitchens was a successful but very dysfunctional person. That means his thoughts were dysfunctional, hence his drinking and smoking and who knows what else. You're quoting someone I don't have much respect for.
@@donpetty7584 Hitchens was manifesting his atheism rather obsessively. In fact I got the impression that he tried to convince himself more that anyone else.
“I do think people struggle when they can’t find meaning. But that doesn’t mean there IS meaning.” -Some Nihilist Somewhere
"Forget Jesus, the stars died so you could be here today" - Lawrence Krauss.
Steve27775 Unlike Lawrence Krauss and you, I can read Koine Greek, and the AV1611 translators were right about the inerrant King James Bible. Neither ignorance of the Old and New Testaments nor closet Satanism ever saved anyone. ειπεν δε ο φιλιππος ει πιστευεις εξ ολης της καρδιας εξεστιν αποκριθεις δε ειπεν πιστευω τον υιον του θεου ειναι τον ιησουν χριστον In perfect English, that ancient text reads: "And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God" (Acts 8:37). Darwinism is an anti-Semitic fairy tale.
Hmm.
Mendacious Knave "Reverend Veritas" The historicity of Noah's Flood has always been well beyond any legitimate geological or biological dispute. "The wicked shall be turned into hell, and the nations that forget God" (Psalms 9:17). All of your anti-Semitic misconstructions of the inerrant King James Bible have been refuted many times over, and you are obviously illiterate in Biblical Hebrew and Koine Greek, plagiarist. Stop lying about Jews, Christians, the Lord Jesus Christ and the physical sciences in your delusional remarks over the Internet, you corrupt imbecile.
***** ωσπερ γαρ ησαν εν ταις ημεραις ταις προ του κατακλυσμου τρωγοντες και πινοντες γαμουντες και εκγαμιζοντες αχρι ης ημερας εισηλθεν νωε εις την κιβωτον Translated into perfect English, those ancient Koine Greek words of the Lord Jesus Christ read: "For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark" (Matt' 24:38). The foolish disciples of the late Christopher Hitchens are frankly blind to the Trotskyite delusions behind his irrational hatred of the inerrant King James Bible.
jjpetkusiii Given that the KJV was revised 4 times, which one is the only divinely-inspired, inerrant one? The first one? Or the last one? Also, 'Thou shalt not kill' is a mistranslation because the original Hebrew word related to murder specifically, not all killing. And God didn't speak in Old English, so it's no more authentic than 'Do not murder'.
Too bad Christopher never saw "Caesar's Messiah." I would have loved to have heard his take on the thesis.
We humans tend to make God in our own image. If we would react in a certain way, we assume God would think and act in a similar way.
Isaiah 55:8,9 KJV 📖❤️ For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways, saith the Lord.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts.
“Mental slavery is mental death, and every man who has given up his intellectual freedom is the living coffin of his dead soul. In this sense, every church is a cemetery and every creed an epitaph.”
― Robert G. Ingersoll, (1833-1899) The Complete Works of Robert G. Ingersoll
Not you again.
@@jos.petkus509 Yes, me. Will you continue spamming like a mental slave?
Is that the only book you read ergo?
My opinion of your quote is it's a very negative thought distortion. Christians have been liberated from death and the fear of it through the cross of Christ. In Christ there is true freedom from the passions of our fallen nature. "Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed through the renewing of your mind". The mind is the "heart" of a human being. Feed it good thoughts and it reaps good behavior. Feed it bad thoughts or distorted thoughts and we reap the same behavior. That is true whether you are a Christian, an agnostic, or an atheist.
There have been a number of so called Christians or Christian entities that have committed murders etc. That is against God's nature. But committing such acts are also true of atheists. Hitler, Mussolini, Putin, and a host of others come to mind. I'd have to say that most murderers and rapists don't believe in God. Do you think that's a fair assessment? But, you don't see me ranting about such atheists.
I have attended several very good churches made up of very good people. I wonder if Mr Ingersoll ever attended any or if he just wanted to rant about churches/Christians and paint a wide swath of with a paintbrush of a conspiracy theory which is untrue with no basis in fact? Do you not see the cognitive distortion in his statement? A major one is "all or nothing" thinking, also called "black or white" thinking. It's either all good or all bad. Another distortion I see in his statement is "Jumping to Conclusions", both "Mind Reading" and "Fortune-telling". A third looks like "Overgeneralization". Do you see what I am saying? This is true freedom to think rationally. I think Mr Ingersoll has gone to the mind graveyard, not us Christians.
share.upmc.com/2021/05/cognitive-distortions/
I'd suggest reading that article. it's non-religious, yet hits home about the distorted thinking I see in Mr. Ingersoll's, and perhaps your, thinking.
Gods word says each man is a slave to sin and that Jesus/God set all the captives free!
Unfortunately many don’t realise they are slaves.
_"The amazing thing is that every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand. It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics:_
_You are all stardust._
_You couldn’t be here if stars hadn’t exploded, because the elements - the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution - weren’t created at the beginning of time. They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars, and the only way they could get into your body is if those stars were kind enough to explode. So, forget Jesus. The stars died so that you could be here today._ *Lawrence Krauss*
No.
No.
No.
That was just more of your atheist nonsense. Stop spamming. Yours were insignificant assertions. No further explanation is necessary. QED.
No.
A shame that, when it comes to the existence of the historical Jesus, Hitchens has not considered Josephus, Suetonious and Tacitus.
It’s confirmation bias so not unexpected.
@John Youdell you do confirm that there are references. That’s at least good.
@@tjones5719The "Josephus" references were both written by Christians long after Josephus had died, and no Christian apologist before Eusebius was aware of its existence, with Origen admitting that neither Josephus nor Justus (of Tiberias) acknowledged Jesus of Nazareth as Messiah. Likewise no Christian apologists were aware of the "Tacitus" entry which makes an error that Tacitus would never have made. It also only mentions the existence of Christians and their belief s, it does not verify the accuracy of those beliefs any more than a report of the Mountain Meadows massacre would confirm the existence of the Angel Moronic or the truth of the Moron religion.
Suetonius on the other hand specifically mentioned the followers of "Chrestus" which is not the same word as "Christ" and his recounting of the actions of "Chrestus" do not match the biblical claims for Jesus.
You are literally clutching at straws.
@@John_Lyle “You are literally clutching at straws.” Nice lie and projection.
1) You don’t use the word literally correctly because the concept of clutching at straws is figurative.
2) I said “you do confirm that there are references” to Youdell which is accurate based on his post.
3) None of your statements have evidence.
4) None of your statements denies there are references, just whether you would place much weight on them or not.
5) I did not take a position on my belief or disbelief of this information, I simply said that he confirmed there were references which was good.
You really don’t get logic and evidence.
@@tjones5719 There are *Forged* references, and the copy of Josephus that Origen -"found" The Testimonium Flavianum in is the copy that he inherited from Origen, author of the work "Contra Celsum" in which Origen admitted that Josephus made no reference to Jesus or Nazareth, and that Josephus did not recognise Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah.
The main reason that Josephus did not recognise Jesus of Nazareth as Messiah is that Josephus had cited someone else to fill that position, his candidate being his patron, the Roman emperor Vespasian (Titus Flavius Vespasianus)
The Josephus entries were widely accepted as forgeries even by Church authorities until the early 20th century and then a surge of evangelical pressure brought on by the belief that the world was to end sometime around 1914 (an idea popular among many Christian cults of the late nineteenth century) led to the world's first secular nation becoming a hotbed of dogmatic religious fervour and the revival of many pseudepigraphies as "the gospel truth". I suggest you read Dr Paul Hopper's linguistic analysis of the Testimonium Flavianum in which he shows it to be a fabrication by someone like Eusebius. The writing style is totally inconsistent with Josephus but matches Eusebius to a tee.
Forgery and pseudepigraphy has always been a hallmark of Christianity and even six of the thirteen epistles of Saint Paul were written by different authors than the main batch of seven "genuine" letters, and Ironically one of the fakes warns the reader to be careful because of the possibility of pseudepigraphy. (an early example of psychological projection perhaps)
Although I disagree at times or am not sure hes fanrastic I cant stop listening when I see him.
Unfortunately it’s like an accident - people gawk hoping for people to be all right but unfortunately also want to see the result of the violence.
Thank You Chris!
Christopher
Thank you Christ!
+TheNthMouse You accuse Hitch of 'distorting facts and making up shit'
Please give some examples, otherwise what you assert without evidence can be dismissed the same way.
No, you have no evidence at all. Believe the Gospel today. You lied to yourself again. QED.
The fact is he prefers the existential probability of Socrates to Jesus. There is no rationale for such position and for a man that does not believe in God, this position is totally irrelevant. I think the prominent message of Socrates is, that you follow, whatever your community prescribes, because this obeyance is the basis for civilization. Its negation equals to depravity.
Atheism has always been irrelevant to the existence of Socrates and the historiography of the infallible Holy Scriptures regardless of language. No further explanation is required. QED.
many people here comment on the intellect of Hitchens. I don't think that it is his best feature. His best feature is his speech - a speech that can mirror this bright mind.
He was a good speaker but the content sometimes (when generally false) overshadowed the technique. And because his style is a bit arrogant, I wouldn’t put him as a great speaker as in my opinion, you need to not turn off some listeners to be great.
Hitchens was one of the greatest thinkers, contrarians and skeptics in human history...
...and he actually existed, unlike fictional Jesus.
@@FlandiddlyandersFRS “Hitchens was one of the greatest thinkers, contrarians and skeptics in human history”. Again you state this as fact, so please point out the hundreds of thinkers from even the 19th and 20th centuries you evaluated and on what basis.
@@tjones5719 What evidence do you have for your claim?
@@FlandiddlyandersFRS “What evidence do you have for your claim?” Nice trying to shift your burden of proof, but I stated that “in my opinion” so I didn’t make a claim I needed evidence for because I acknowledged, by stating it was an opinion, that others may have other opinions.
His spirit lives on in the power of his written and spoken words. He'd probably call it his legacy, which is fine.
According to him, he has no spirit so don’t be disrespectful to the man’s beliefs.
@@tjones5719 Yeah, legacy.
You mean Jesus?
@@nobbynoris Nope.
Trolling Jones
“According to him, he has no spirit so don’t be disrespectful to the man’s beliefs.”
Nice taking them out of context.
You know perfectly well they were talking about Hitch’s body of work living on not anything to do with Hitch having a spirit.
So you were trolling or just joking!
Which one it’s it Jones?
Knowing you as well I do I will go with trolling.
Left that cult in my teens.
Took me so much longer, I'm almost embarrassed and ashamed, but mostly angry because I was held in thrall because so many people I respected believed. It's just an inertia of numbers. Sad.
@@cj1000 At least you got out. Better late than never.
Bob Tomlin
“Left that cult in my teens.”
Great!
Know you’re free to accept Jesus!
I was once in the Mormon cult myself.
“Many shall come in my name(Jesus) a deceive many”
@@cj1000
Mass Formation Psychosis ... it wasn't your fault, enjoy your freedom!
Socrates ~ Which one of us is me?
The last one standing presumably?
This is a man w/o rhe ability to view the truth of Jesus Christ and His truth.
He had questions and perhaps a bit of bias to ignore what wasn’t proven (and yes that is the wrong standard but many people make that mistake - heck doubting Thomas per the Christian Bible made that mistake and it was fine).
"I have met some highly intelligent believers, but history has no record to say that [s]he knew or understood the mind of god. Yet this is precisely the qualification which the godly must claim-so modestly and so humbly-to possess. It is time to withdraw our 'respect' from such fantastic claims, all of them aimed at the exertion of power over other humans in the real and material world."
- Christopher Hitchens (The Portable Atheist: Essential Readings for the Nonbeliever)
In a nutshell. 👍
Yes, the scripture states that we have the mind of Christ. In some respects that is true, such as when God speaks to us from His Word. But, I've found that He is largely silent much of the time. Then we have scriptural teachings to falls back on, but we have to be very careful how such teachings are interpreted. The Resurrection of Christ is also a fantastic claim, as is that Christ's death was to pay for the redemption of those that chose to believe in Him. The New Testament is full of what Mr. Hitchens would call "fantastic claims". And I agree, they are shocking, difficult to believe or fathom. But God gives grace and faith to believe and trust in them. Without such grace man is incapable of believing them in his own strength.
I think reading the biographies of Hudson Taylor, Dawson Trotman and Billy Graham would take variance with Hitchens' claim that there is no record that these folks understood the mind of God. On the contrary, I think God used them to bring great multitudes into His Kingdom. Trotman's and Graham's organizations live on today. These organizations' motives are to bring the Good News of the Gospel of Christ to as many as possible.
If you want to speak of the exertion of power over other humans in the real and material world, why don't we discuss the corporate world and the corruption there? I've experienced this first hand as an accountant, also with the legal system as an expert witness in a lawsuit. I had to leave a job because of the corruption of the people I was working for. Do you realize the harm, both professionally and financially, such corruption causes?
Does Hitchens speak about such corruption or is he just about religion?
@@FlandiddlyandersFRS Like Hitchens dark mind.
@@jounisuninen Hitchens was a shining light for humanity.
The truth he spoke obviously hurts.
"Religion is poison because it asks us to give up our most precious faculty, which is that of reason, and to believe things without evidence. It then asks us to respect this, which it calls faith."
--Christopher Hitchens
Not all religions advocate for this.
@@peterrosqvist2480 One that does would be one too many.
@@ergonomover Good point
Hitching
Hitches and
Legend. Society misses their great voice
No, not society. Some ardent followers sure, but not society. He had a lot of good insights (too biased on this topic) but we move on and shouldn’t be revered as all that special - his whole worldview would agree.
@@tjones5719 society as a whole has been, and still is, suppressed by religion (in any shape or form). Albeit being less than ever, by battling these religious institution, who claim all power and knowledge over (its) society, I think Hitchens is surely missed standing op for said society. If let loose...back to the stoneage.
@@___fokker___974 “society as a whole has been, and still is, suppressed by religion (in any shape or form).” Society as a whole has been suppressed by governments, class systems, wealth, discrimination, etc. You seem to not understand this is not a religion thing it is a human thing. And besides, why would Hitchens atheist religion get a pass if you want to naively focus only on religion…it shouldn’t.
“Albeit being less than ever, by battling these religious institution, who claim all power and knowledge over (its) society”. Here is the key, humanity has shown that one form of suppression gets replaced by another even if one can be gone. Todays society is which liberal or conservatives camp do you sit, those ideologies are rising as the form of oppression and those ideologies are ones that Hitchens fully helped create. So again why should he get a pass when he participated in the suppression or advanced of a new type of suppression.
“I think Hitchens is surely missed standing op for said society. If let loose...back to the stoneage.” Except he has been a culprit of he very things you seem to not like.
Now I take Hitchens as an intelligent man, but you don’t seem to be able to see what his actions and ideologies have done and how they have continued forward in pretty divisive ways. I choose to question, you choose to follow.
___FOKKER___
“Legend. Society misses their great voice
@@stephenireland3816 Religion is known as a non-state-actor, with all the power, and more (mental/emotional - god sees all - what you think/dream etc) of a real state. You have not heard of systematical suppression and power abuse by the church, of people in general (also called society - people who live in your ''vicinity''.) People like Hitchens, with their arguments, negate that power and its abuse. You`re welcome. Also; google is your friend. Also; I know what you did there.
I can certainly buy that Jesus was based on a real person who was a wondering messianic rabbi. Mark was the first written book of the Gospel and it doesn’t have any immaculate conception, virgin birth, or nativity. When we first meet Jesus he’s an adult getting baptized by John. It’s certainly believable that Jesus joined John’s group and became the leader of John’s followers after John’s death. The whole nativity story was an invention by later gospel writers to make Jesus more god like.
*Well, if on the one hand, we are oppressed by greatest mystery of creation. On the other hand, we are oppressed by the absolute certainty of our limited reason. (LunyBunny, May. 15, 2019)*
*What separates me from most so-called atheists is a feeling of utter humility toward the unattainable secrets of the harmony of the cosmos. (Albert Einstein to Joseph Lewis, Apr. 18, 1953)
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@Tim H We already knew that you always were full of "bitter, meaningless shit talk...feel better now princess?" I couldn't disagree with the late Christopher Hitchens more. I never converse with inanimate objects, and brainless atheist spam bots are malicious cyber frauds by definition.
@EtScripturaeSanctae ... *The theory that disturbs me the most about the Bible's path to salvation...* Two lives... A 90 year old woman who has spent her entire life with love for all... She has been there for all of her relatives and neighbors and even strangers in their times of need, never turning them away from her door. And she has done this her entire life.
Then... There is a horrible man. He has abused everyone around him, his entire life. He has not cared for another soul, in any way... ever! He has brutally abused his children and others. He has done unspeakable things to little girls and babies and he has beat one of his wives to death on one of his drunken binges!
According to the King James Bible and the word of God... If the old woman never accepted Jesus into her life, but at the last minute of the horrible man's life, he did give his life to God and accepted Jesus as the son of God, etc... The lady would spend eternity in hell, while the horrible man gets to spend his eternity next to God in paradise!
*Does this seem fair to you? Is this the "grace" of a loving God?*
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@boggymark1 ... Salvation is anything but free... one must die to collect!
@Thelo Sam ... Care to take a crack at my earlier post in this very same post? It starts... "The theory that bothers me the most..." I'd like to get a sincere answer from someone if possible.
Thanks.
@boggymark1 ... Care to take a crack at my earlier post in this very same post? It starts... "The theory that bothers me the most..." I'd like to get a sincere answer from someone if possible.
Thanks.
Asked whether or not he believed in God he said:
_“Your question is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations”_
― Albert Einstein―
γενομενης δε της φωνης ταυτης συνηλθεν το πληθος και συνεχυθη οτι ηκουον εις εκαστος τη ιδια διαλεκτω λαλουντων αυτων Translated into the perfect English of the inerrant King James Bible, that ancient Koine Greek text reads: "Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language" (Acts 2:6). Paul Garner agrees with the Lord Jesus Christ and the infallible Holy Scriptures, and he also exposed the intellectual bankruptcy of the racist Darwinian death cult. Modern geologists describe hell as the molten core of the center of the Earth--a furnace of fire that awaits all the unregenerate.
@@AdjustingLight You lied again, imbecile. The straightforward English sentence "I never converse with inanimate objects, and brainless atheist spam bots are malicious cyber frauds by definition" means exactly what it meant three hours ago. What is your native language?
@boggymark1 Your excellent points speak volumes. Salvation from sin by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ alone testifies of His holiness, and it is always a an outpouring of grace. και ηκουσα του αγγελου των υδατων λεγοντος δικαιος κυριε ει ο ων και ο ην και ο εσομενος οτι ταυτα εκρινας Translated flawlessly into the perfect English of the inerrant King James Bible, that ancient Koine Greek text reads: "And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be,because thou hast judged thus" (Rev. 16:5). Sadly, the late C. E. Hitchens became a professional Antichrist liar, and he knew that he was a hell-bound sodomite according to both the Old and New Testaments in their original languages before he left Balliol College at Oxford to write for "International Socialism." Absolutely no credible forensic evidence validated his atheist delusions and bizarre anti-Semitic mythology.
jjpetkusiii your creator couldn’t have another kid? Any reason why not? Didn’t he create the entire world? In any case, coming back after three days and becoming king of the world is hardly a sacrifice. Sounds more like a sweet deal.
@@8698gil WRONG AGAIIN, CYBER FRAUD. You already proved that you were born stupid.
Absolutely fantastic
If you want to be indoctrinated with atheist beliefs, sure. But if you even listen to his argument, he talks about not having proof about the theist perspective but then goes on to state that he knows there was no census, knows who was the ruler at that exact time, etc. This shows tremendous inconsistency because he doesn’t know those things, he didn’t live at that time which is almost the only thing that would allow Hitchens to know those things. Essentially he tears down one set of what he believes to be false beliefs with smoke and mirrors to hide his own set of false beliefs.
@@tjones5719 Since Webster defines atheism first and foremost as a lack of belief, would you be so kind as to give examples of Hitchen's "atheist beliefs"?
“Since Webster defines atheism first and foremost as a lack of belief”. Nice cherry pick and lie. Webster’s first definition (not foremost) is “a lack of belief or a strong disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods.” And that second one (disbelief) is believing a god doesn’t exist, same as you.
“would you be so kind as to give examples of Hitchen's "atheist beliefs"?” And nice feigned ignorance. I actually gave an example right in my post.
And you even commit a bit of a strawman because where did I say Hitchens had atheist beliefs…I didn’t. I simply said he would be stating atheistic beliefs. It’s like if you quoted things from the Bible, that’s not you having theist beliefs.
@@tjones5719 You agree Webster's first definition of atheism is a lack of belief, that is good. You've come a long way! Foremost is defined by Webster as "of first rank or position", obviously "lack of belief" is given first position by Webster and is thus the foremost definition - by definition. Maybe you made another illiterate mistake - I didn't intend to deceive or get anything wrong. If someone lied, it was you. Lies are still NOT nice. Fake accusations are very impolite (to say the least), and you know it.
You wrote of Hitchen's supposed "tremendous inconsistency" - is that the 'atheist doctrine' he is imbuing? Are you sure "inconsistency" is purely an atheist thing? One quick check on theist Stephen Ireland's tremendous inconsistencies doesn't totally refute your point?
You have called this video an "atheist indoctrination video" and your OP here starts with "If you want to be indoctrinated with atheist beliefs" - so who besides Hitchens was supposedly indoctrinating those atheist beliefs? Please try to concentrate.
Hitchens said "J.C. of Nazareth was well-know to be of Nazareth", not that he knew it, but that it is "well-known". The same goes for the bible claim of the census and of Quirinus as governor of Syria, it is well-known that there is no historical evidence for the census and that Quirinus was governor of Syria only after 4 AD, not during the time of Jesus' life. It seems the only "tremendous inconsistencies" are the ones found in the bible.
Maybe doing a little research before saying people lied might help your case.
Your stated position (on belief in god or gods) of "still exploring" should motivate you to do so, and to be a little more polite, acting in good faith.
I think your failed example fails to qualify as a uniquely "atheist belief", care to try again? What are those "atheist beliefs" being "indoctrinated" in this video?
If you accept Webster's first definition of atheism being a lack of belief, isn't the term "atheist belief" an oxymoron?
@@ergonomover “You agree Webster's first definition of atheism is a lack of belief, that is good.” No that is a lie and shows how desperate you are. I gave evidence that it is not the first definition, you cherry picked from the first listed definition. You hiding behind this lie shows you already failed.
“You've come a long way!” I’m still pointing out your lies with support, and that’s what I’ve done from the beginning.
“Foremost is defined by Webster as "of first rank or position", obviously "lack of belief" is given first position by Webster and is thus the foremost definition - by definition.” Again a lie because it is not the full definition that is listed first and your use of foremost doesn’t mean “first” because you said “first and foremost” which now you are claiming is you saying “first and first” but you aren’t as that is repetitive. You instead meant the foremost in terms of a different definition like rank or importance and it is not.
“Maybe you made another illiterate mistake - I didn't intend to deceive or get anything wrong. If someone lied, it was you.” A lie doesn’t require intent as we have shown many times. So you did lie.
“Lies are still NOT nice.” I have not said that lies are nice.
“Fake accusations are very impolite (to say the least), and you know it.” Nice lie again. You have no idea what I do or do not agree to in this case.
“You wrote of Hitchen's supposed "tremendous inconsistency" - is that the 'atheist doctrine' he is imbuing? Are you sure "inconsistency" is purely an atheist thing?” You are strawmanning again as I said nothing about those being the atheist beliefs I mentioned earlier.
“One quick check on theist Stephen Ireland's tremendous inconsistencies doesn't totally refute your point?” More from your strawman which makes this conclusion you are trying to make is a non sequitur - cannot base valid conclusion off of a logical fallacy.
“You have called this video an "atheist indoctrination video" and your OP here starts with "If you want to be indoctrinated with atheist beliefs" - so who besides Hitchens was supposedly indoctrinating those atheist beliefs? “. Now you move the goal posts. Before you said it was “Hitchens atheist beliefs” but now you’ve changed it to Hitchens not necessarily having those atheist beliefs but conveying them. You cannot keep your story straight.
“Please try to concentrate.” Nice projection of your flaw as you are tripping all over yourself. Three different logical fallacies, continued lies and cherry pick of the definition while ignoring evidence. That’s all you.
“Hitchens said "J.C. of Nazareth was well-know to be of Nazareth", not that he knew it, but that it is "well-known". The same goes for the bible claim of the census and of Quirinus as governor of Syria, it is well-known that there is no historical evidence for the census and that Quirinus was governor of Syria only after 4 AD, not during the time of Jesus' life.” Except he didn’t say it was “well known” he said “we know” which is what I said and is wrong.
“It seems the only "tremendous inconsistencies" are the ones found in the bible.” Now you commit a Tu Quoque fallacy while not being able to refute Hitchens inconsistency. That’s your fourth different logical fallacy.
“Maybe doing a little research before saying people lied might help your case.” I’m doing fine given how you had to use the logical fallacies and lies while avoiding evidence. So you should take your advice.
“Your stated position (on belief in god or gods) of "still exploring" should motivate you to do so, and to be a little more polite, acting in good faith.” As I have said, it is the other person who is impolite not me. And I do explore that’s part of why I can navigate both atheist and theist talking points.
“I think your failed example fails to qualify as a uniquely "atheist belief", care to try again?” Incorrect and you haven’t even tried to address the example - the actual example without your logical fallacies and lies.
“What are those "atheist beliefs" being "indoctrinated" in this video?” I gave an example and you still are too scared to address it.
“If you accept Webster's first definition of atheism being a lack of belief, isn't the term "atheist belief" an oxymoron?” Nice lie but that’s not the first definition as the evidence you have avoided showed.
I imagine the Roman-occupied Jews, at the beginning of the prior millennium, were tired of having every one of their deliverers slaughtered by roman soldiers, even before he even had time to train and raise an army, so they invented one who could not be killed, could not be found, a magical being suspiciously descended from kings AND the maker of all things, whose every life event was copied from the many successful religious myths of the past, whose only command was follow me (into battle against the occupiers). All of the stories of the death and resurrection are from successful historical myths from other religions and faiths, and can not possibly represent an actual person, because the copyright infringement is total and complete - there is nothing else in the story of Yeshua that isn't copied and pasted from prior successful religious grift.
Many actually say that it is not a concoction of the Jews but of the Romans. The idea being that you don’t want the oppressed Jews to give up, so you give them hope in a figure that is designed to give hope.
All of it is speculation though.
“Our civilization is not Christian. It does not come from the skies. It is not a result of "inspiration." It is the child of invention, of discovery, of applied knowledge -- that is to say, of science. When man becomes great and grand enough to admit that all have equal rights; when thought is untrammeled; when worship shall consist in doing useful things; when religion means the discharge of obligations to our fellow-men, then, and not until then, will the world be civilized.”
― Robert G. Ingersoll (1833-1899) civil war veteran, statesman and orator
Your jokes are not even funny. No further explanation of atheist cartoons is necessary. QED.
@@jos.petkus509 Colonel Ingersoll was not joking, there are no cartoons here, you've demonstrated nothing but gullibility, are you ill?
Nonsense.
@@jos.petkus509 Yes, everything you post looks like gibberish.
@ergonomover
You sure do like quoting a lot of Philosophy.
There was no debate here. The only-begotten Son of God is the Prince of Peace, and the Saviour averred the Hebrew Tanakh. λεγω δε υμιν οτι πολλοι απο ανατολων και δυσμων ηξουσιν και ανακλιθησονται μετα αβρααμ και ισαακ και ιακωβ εν τη βασιλεια των ουρανων Translated into the infallible King James Bible, those ancient Koine Greek words of the Lord Jesus Christ read: "And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven" (Matt. 8 : 11). Eternal salvation from sin by grace through faith in Him alone testifies of His holiness. Intelligent minds want to know what happened after the Saviour arose from the dead almost two millennia ago. Darwinism is a vile anti-Semitic fairy tale, and Rome is still the Mother of Harlots and Abominations according to Revelation 17 and 18 in any ancient or modern language. The historicity of Noah’s Flood is well beyond any legitimate biological or geological dispute. Solid evidence based on more than 5,000 extant manuscripts established the integrity of the Holy Scriptures long before C. R. Darwin succumbed to his various diseases in 1882.
"Hitch" lied. but he died. Academic frauds who reject creationism are narcissistic liars and witless bores, and none of the revisionist fools holding tenure at a university wants those character flaws to be exposed by the chronological accuracy of the inerrant King James Bible in Modern English--especially since they are totally illiterate in the original languages of the Old and New Testaments. παρακαλω δε υμας αδελφοι σκοπειν τους τας διχοστασιας και τα σκανδαλα παρα την διδαχην ην υμεις εμαθετε ποιουντας και εκκλινατε απ αυτων Translated into the international language of the world today, that Koine Greek text reads: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them" (Romans 16 : 17). Even the senseless title of this absurd video is completely misleading, and modern geologists describe hell as the molten core of the center of the Earth past, present and future. No species of plant or animal came from another genus living anywhere on Earth, and Christianity has nothing to do with "religiion" as it is a personal relationship to the Saviour at its onset. I never converse with inanimate objects, and rational exegetes worldwide proved that the jailbird "FFreeThinker" website is a gauche Marxist cyber fraud operated by worthless spambots daily (ever since its unauthorized origin as that illicit nonentity a la mortemain). It often deletes important and truthful comments because such Internet hacker software cannot be formatted to perceive substantive facts in a realistic context.
While I won't argue with the fact that Hitchens is very articulate, I wonder what he has to say about all of the Near Death Experiences. Thousands and thousands of people have had experiences for which there is no rational or physiological explanation. In addition (maybe he's covered this in his books, I don't know), whatever you may think of Socrates, it's pretty certain that Peter and Paul lived. What made Paul change from oppressor to apostle? Why did Peter go from being a fisherman to a preacher that was willing to be persecuted and ultimately crucified. for his testimony of Jesus? What was in it for him? What did he or Paul (who apparently was beheaded) gain from their undertaking? If Hitchens addressed these issues, I'd be interested in hearing his explanation.
You need to do research because there is plenty of rational and physiological explanations for near death experiences.
. @tjones5719 . That's quite an assumption you've made: that I "need to do research." Obviously, you don't know me. You don't know what research I've done and what I haven't done. The truth is, I've investigated these NDE's much of my adult life, and while I grant you that there are rational and physiological explanations for many of these experiences, including downright lying and hallucinations, it is also true that there are some which do, in fact, defy rational and physiological explanations; incidents, for example, where the eyes and ears are blocked, there is no brain activity, etc, and things were recounted that one could not know without having been outside the body observing, including other locations long distances away.
@@Fairfacts “That's quite an assumption you've made: that I "need to do research."” No, not an assumption, it’s based on the evidence in what you said.
“Obviously, you don't know me.” You’re deflecting, I know you through what you said.
“You don't know what research I've done and what I haven't done.” You’re deflecting again because what you stated indicates what research you haven’t done.
“The truth is, I've investigated these NDE's much of my adult life, and while I grant you that there are rational and physiological explanations for many of these experiences, including downright lying and hallucinations, it is also true that there are some which do, in fact, defy rational and physiological explanations; incidents, for example, where the eyes and ears are blocked, there is no brain activity, etc, and things were recounted that one could not know without having been outside the body observing, including other locations long distances away.” And your evidence of this statement would be? You see you are talking anecdotally and have also subtly backed off the claim of thousands and thousands making my statement more supported. So where is your evidence?
@@tjones5719 I don't think that there's any argument that you don't know me. I guess you expect me to recount the number of books and videos that I've read or watched.I suppose it started with “Life After Life,” by Raymond Moody back in 1975. There have been hundreds since then, including some of the best, “There Is No Death,” by Sarah Menet, (who I personally interrogated in 2013), “I Stand All Amazed,” by Elane Durham, and “God and the Afterlife: The Groundbreaking New Evidence of Near Death Experiences,” by Jeffrey Long, MD. My own secretary told me of her own experience I trusted and believed her. If you can explain this incident from the Reader’s Digest, August 2003, “After Life: A Scientific Basis for the Soul,” I would be interested in your explanation. IN THE SUMMER 1991, Pam Reynolds learned she had a life-threatening bulge in an artery in her brain. Neurosurgeon Robert Spetzler, Director of the Barrow Neurological Institute in Phoenix, told the 35-year-old Atlanta mother of three that in order to operate he would have to stop her heart. During that time her brain function would cease. By all clinical measures, she would be dead for up to an hour.
While Reynolds was under anesthesia, leads from a machine that emitted a clicking sound were plugged into her ears to gauge her brainstem function (the brainstem plays a part in controlling hearing as well as other involuntary activities). Additional instruments tracked her heartbeat, breathing, temperature and other vital signs. Her limbs were restrained; her eyes were lubricated and then taped shut.
As Spetzler powered up the surgical saw to open the patient’s skull, something occurred that never registered on any of the sophisticated monitoring devices. Reynolds felt herself “pop” out of her body. From a vantage point just above Spetzler’s shoulders, she looked down on the operation. She “saw” Spetzler holding something that resembled an electric toothbrush. A female voice complained that the patient’s blood vessels were too small. It appeared to Reynolds that they were about to operate on her groin.
That couldn’t be right, she thought. This is brain surgery. Reynolds then assumed that whatever they were doing inside her skull had triggered a hallucination.
But even though her eyes and ears were effectively sealed shut, what she perceived was actually happening. The surgical saw did resemble an electric toothbrush. Surgeons were, indeed, working on her groin; Catheters had to be threaded up to her heart to connect to a heartlung machine.
Spetzler gave the order to bring Reynolds to “standstill” - draining the blood from her body. By every reading of every instrument, life left Reynolds’s body. And she found herself traveling down a tunnel toward a light. At its end, she saw her long-dead grandmother, relatives and friends. Time seemed to stop. Then an uncle led her back to her body and instructed her to return. It felt like plunging into a pool of ice water. After she came to, Reynolds told Spetzler all that she’d seen and experienced.
“You are way out of my area of expertise, “ Spetzler said. And twelve years later, he still doesn’t know what to make of it. Reality or Illusion?
Today, medical advances have allowed doctors to resuscitate people who in earlier times would have been irretrievably dead. In effect, medical intervention has pushed back the boundaries of what we call death. Nobody anticipated the number of patients who would come back with tales like Pam Reynolds’s - tales of out-of-body experiences, travels down tunnels and encounters with angels or deceased loved ones. This phenomenon has been labeled near-death experience (NDE).
At first, virtually all doctors dismissed such reports. The conventional medical explanation was hallucination, brought on by changes in the dying brain. Yet there was a problem with this interpretation. Such hallucinations could only occur if the brain maintained some function. Once flatlined, the brain would be roughly analogous to a computer with its power source unplugged and its circuits detached. It couldn’t hallucinate; it couldn’t do anything at all.
That apparent paradox - that perceptions occur during NDEs when there is no functioning brain through which to perceive them - has scientists, theologians and ordinary folks groping for answers. Such experiences should simply not happen if currently accepted scientific theories about life, death and consciousness are accurate. The NDE, some argue, should move science to make room for the possibility of a soul.
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I wanted to hear their stories, so I attended one of the support-group meetings. Dozens of ordinary-looking, mostly middle-aged men and women gatherd to share experiences about what, for many of them, was a life-altering spiritual journey.
Robert Milham says his heart stopped during a heart attack: “The pain was gone. I was suspended over my body. I was looking at myself lying on the Gurney and they were putting paddles on me.” After a life of selfishness, he says his brush with death made him a more giving person.
Soft-spoken technology entrepreneur Ken Amick tells of an NDE after an allergic reaction during which he reports he stopped breathing and turned blue. “I could see in color. I could hear. I could feel emotions like fear, like relief.” He pauses, as if experiencing it again. “So, what’s that blue thing lying on the table? That’s me. I know that’s me. It scares me to look at it. But it’s not really me, it’s just my body.”
These folks do not offer medical documentation that they were clinically dead, but that is somewhat beside the point. It is the near-death experience and what it means that fascinates them. Rommer says that these people find comfort in knowing they’re not alone and not crazy. Their stories may sound bizarre, but they’re not all that unusual. They echo the tales of NDEs told by people around the globe. New Evidence, New Theories
While most medical researchers wouldn’t be caught dead uttering the word soul, some find the idea that NDEs are triggered by the failing brain to be inadequate. They speculate that NDEs may be evidence, not of an afterlife, but of something just as stunning; Consciousness does not reside solely in the brain.
In a study published in December 2001 in the British medical journal The Lancet, Dutch cardiologist Pim van Lommel recounts the NDE of a clinically dead, 44-year-old cardiac-arrest victim. He was rushed by ambulance to a hospital where doctors restarted his heart with defibrillators. A nurse removed the man’s dentures so a breathing tube could be inserted in his throat. Once stable, the man was moved to intensive care.
A week later, the man saw the nurse who had removed his false teeth and recognized her - though during their only prior encounter, his condition had ranged from coma to clinical death. “You took my dentures out of my mouth,” he told the nurse, and went on to describe other details he claimed his disembodied self had viewed.
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@@Fairfacts “I don’t think that there’s any argument that you don’t know me.” Nice lie but your words let me know you.
You’ve given somewhere between five and ten anecdotal stories. No studies just stories. This doesn’t come up with the thousands and thousands you originally claimed. This doesn’t have anyone who as you claimed observed from locations long distances away. And even the stories you give appear explainable like the last man who knew the nurse had taken out his dentures, you admitted that he was between coma and clinical death, well the observation he appears to have could have been when he was in more of a coma state - and coma patients do say at times they realize what is happening around them. This could be the case for all these cases that the moment of the NDE was when there was still brain activity as these weren’t really studies with controls - I mean how could they be as there is no way to tabulate when the person supposedly had the NDE and what equipments were reading at exactly that moment. You’ve made this too easy to reasonably refute.
There was no debate here. "Hitch" tried to amuse uneducated atheists only to sell them his ridiculous books. μη θαυμασης οτι ειπον σοι δει υμας γεννηθηναι ανωθεν Translated flawlessly into the inerrant King James Bible, those words of the Lord Jesus Christ read: "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again" (John 3 : 7). Everlasting salvation from sin by grace through faith in Him testifies of His holiness, and the fulfillment of prophecy confirms the veracity of the Gospel that speaks for itself. Intelligent minds want to know what happened after the Saviour arose from the dead almost two millennia ago. Born of a virgin in Bethlehem, the only-begotten Son of God is the Prince of Peace, and the Lord Jesus Christ averred the Hebrew Tanakh consistently as a documented matter of immutable fact. Solid evidence based on more than 5,000 extant manuscripts established the integrity of the infallible Holy Scriptures long before C. R. Darwin succumbed to his various diseases in 1882. Even the senseless title of this absurd video is completely misleading, and modern geologists describe hell as the molten core of the center of the Earth past, present and future. No species of plant or animal living anywhere on Earth came from another genus, and Christianity has nothing to do with "religion" as it is a personal relationship to the Saviour at its onset. I never converse with inanimate objects, and rational exegetes worldwide proved that the jailbird "FFreeThinker" website is a stupid Marxist cyber fraud operated by worthless spambots daily (ever since its unauthorized origin as that illicit nonentity a la mortemain). It often deletes important and truthful comments because such Internet hacker software cannot be formatted to perceive authenticity per se in a realistic context. It was very sad and indeed pathological that the alcoholic Trotskyite blasphemer "Hitch" deliberately lied about the historiography of the Old and New Testaments for decades, but he also died hopeless and unconscious on 15 December 2011 A.D. at an outstanding hospital in Texas after a long illness. Logic guarantees that any "commitment to a certain kind of dialectic" inevitably results in circular reasoning, and that is what amoral hypocrites who plagiarize ungodly charlatans along with their fellow illiterate narcissists pretending to think for themselves cannot understand. Nothing about them pertains to ecclesiology, ontology, cosmology, epistemology, love, common sense, archaeological discoveries, linguistic derivations, classical literature, the scientific method, British Common Law, advanced prophetic eschatology or the Lord God omnipotent whenever they copy and paste their baseless libels against Christians and Jews on pointless blogs controlled by depraved militants who receive venal contributions from senile totalitarian fools.
Quotes from your favourite book provides no factual foundation of any kind. For example
“Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful as a Babel Fish could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.
The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist,'" says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
Douglas Adams H2G2 more fun than the turgid drivel from the 'good' book.
Produce evidence. In fact, you have nothing at all. No further explanation of atheist cartoons is necessary, QED.
@@jos.petkus509 neither do you
H. R. H. Charles, Prince of Wales, Duke of Cornwall, and of Rothesay, etc., has been subjected to scrutiny for decades. He remains a devoted father, grandfather well dressed, and heir apparent to his mother’s throne. "Hitch" stopped changing his shirts on 15 December 2011 A. D., but this silly anti-Semitic video still contradicts the Gospel with malicious intent. No further evidence to explain atheist cartoons is warranted. QED.
@@jos.petkus509 If you mean King Charles III, then that's a case of Noblesse Oblige as he's not yet dead. Your obligation is to assume god exists and construct specious arguments in support of that unprovable start point. This why you see any gospel contradiction as malicious, rather than its true purpose which is to understand rather than just believe. Where's YOUR evidence? (hint: Gospels aren't evidence)
Thank you for your prompt reply. Salvation through faith solely in the Lord Jesus Christ testifies of His holiness, and it is always a miracle of grace. ευλογητος ο θεος και πατηρ του κυριου ημων ιησου χριστου ο κατα το πολυ αυτου ελεος αναγεννησας ημας εις ελπιδα ζωσαν δι αναστασεως ιησου χριστου εκ νεκρων Translated into the perfect English of the inerrant King James Bible, the ancient Greek reads: "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead" (1Peter 1:3). We have all the documented evidence about atheist cartoons that we need. This silly anti-Semitic video contradicts the Gospel with malicious intent. No further explanation is necessary. QED.
Read it for yourself not my words
It's even worse than "taking no thought" or believing without evidence. Christianity asserts that unbelievers will be damned to hell. Often in history that has meant that any questioning of the Bible was heresy, a crime punished with torture or even death.
Christians have often believed that eventually people of other faiths, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Muslims, will be annihilated by God, and the Earth will be handed over to Christians. What is the death toll (in hundreds of millions) of such a belief?
@@SadhuBiochemist no, less than 100 million as the death toll attributed to atheism and atheists in one century exceeded all theist religious death throughout human history.
@@SadhuBiochemist I see another theistic clunker has been posted here. Religion - or lack of it - had nothing to do with 20th-century democide, it was all about power (as was asserted by Prof. emeritus historian Rudolf Rummel). People starved in Russia and China because of Lysenkoism, after Stalin purged his evolutionary scientists. Lysenko was led by magic thinking, he favored old wives' tales for agronomic miracle yields. Lysenko said starving the peasants would make them stronger, and genes don't exist.
Pseudoscience and magic thinking killed millions.
To your question: it seems Christians are at about 2.6 billion, and will lead until 2050, after which Islam will be the biggest religion (if current trends hold). Evangelicals tell me Catholics are not true Christians, people of all other faiths might be counted in the billions either way, about 2/3 of people on the planet. 'Convert or die' used to be imposed at sword-point.
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@ergonomover Without `spin`, and quoting the source, tell us what the `percentage` of all religious clergy of every faith in the world has been convicted of sexual crimes. That will give us an idea of the truth, rather than wishful thinking, on the part of those who want to `turn the knife` in the side of religion.
The first solid--looking result involves Catholic priests, appr. 4% are sex offenders but I'm not sure they were all convicted. Your question is pretty big and a hot-button one.
I don't trust Fox news but one article points to 270 crimes among 3 million public school teachers which means 0.008% of teachers. All faiths you want? That will take some time.
Another often-reported stat is 93% of sex offenders consider themselves religious.
"4%" is found on Public Safety Canada website (among others), you need all sources for all faiths, not asking for too much are you? Surely you do not deny there is a problem, and that religious institutions are favorite hunting grounds for sexual predators.
I think you asked me to re-post your comment that I responded to, perhaps it was this one:
Hypothetical stuff! Most parishioners usually have no idea of what is going on for years until it comes to the attention of authorities. You seem to keep sexual abuse within the framework of Christianity - yet the problem is widespread in other faiths. Are their other Gods and adherents you should be pointing the finger at? Why are you not speaking out about the gangs who prey on youngsters in Care Homes? Some of these complaints have been doing the rounds for years, yet all the authorities seem to have missed them.
@@ergonomover Right thanks for the info. As far as Catholic priests are concerned it is no surprise that they are underlined due to the fact that they are not allowed to marry. This `clergy not allowed to marry` is a Roman Catholic rule and NOT supported by the New Testament. In fact, the RC church claims Apostle Peter as their first Pope - yet Peter (Simon) WAS married. See the gospels Matthew ch 8. vs 14; Mark ch 1. vs 30/31; Luke ch 4 vs 38/39. So RCs do not follow the example of their own `first` Pope!
Will comment further late on - I have an appointment now.
The irony of the catholic priest scandal is the second less cited report by the Boston Globe which had since been kept behind a pay site rather than free news reporting. The further review revealed that the majority of the abuses were not pedophilia (still atrocious but not pedophilia). This was due to the age of the victims being too old for that classification. The second Globe report created a link that people didn’t want to acknowledge, their assertion was that a vast majority of these abusers were gay men who had joined the priesthood to try to deny they were gay. They felt the celibate lifestyle would help them hide the desires but they instead came out in abusive ways. Now most don’t want to promote this storyline because it devices LGBT members in a bad light and the media leaning left doesn’t want that to be the story. So in many ways it wasn’t the religion that caused this (though they deserve tons of blame for covering it up) but rather societal pressures on those LGBT individuals.
As an aside on the cover up, you will find that type of cover up also in a very atheist centered part of society in the US, Hollywood. Pedophilia, sexual abuse of children and women runs pretty rampant in those circles as well but didn’t get the same notoriety until likely the last decade.
Again it all goes to show that it’s not one single idea that brings out this violent nature in people, they find a horrid excuse no matter.
The atheist does not know where he came from, why he is here, or where he is going.
@Nehemiah Scudder ...ur relentless, keep it up 👍...👌
Howard. Actually, the atheist will NEVER know where he/she came from if they `stonewall` the gospel.
One of the reasons man wants to explore outer space is to answer those questions. One thing that makes scientists `sit up` is the intricacy of any area of life that is closely studied. This intricacy cannot be explained by `chance` because chance observed does not present intricacy, beauty, order or continuity. So much in biological and natural life goes far, far, far beyond the possibility of chance. At least, an atheist should `nod` to the possibility of a Higher Power!
@Nehemiah Scudder Now that i did not know; atheists do not believe in science!
@Nehemiah Scudder Which of the ten commandments in the Bible would atheists discount and which would they keep?
@Nehemiah Scudder Do you believe that the Koran, the book of Mormon etc have any value in modern day life?
"I can't speak for myself, so I quote a book that was used to control the dumb masses since it's creation." (Follower 12:21)
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Everything written in this comment section doesn't even make me want to convert to christianity. I just see a bunch of toxicity. :l You guys are terrible at recruiting.
That’s a lot of brainwash. QED.
@Joseph Lisitza What if all that they're "writing" is just a bunch of Christian copy pastas lmao
@Thelo Sam You write QED i.e. Quod Erat Demonstrandum, but have demonstrated nothing. All you've done is make an unsubstantiated assertion.
NO HOPE FOR ALL WHO ENTER HERE
@Nehemiah Scudder you are not very bright and seeing is not believing however believing is seeing
The saddest injustice is that Hitchens has died and Dinesh is still out there spewing his ignorance, hysteria and stupidity. How anyone can still be hoodwinked by religions is beyond me.
You are saying that it’s sad that someone isn’t dead. That’s a bit morbid and fairly hateful. I look at it this way, if what someone says triggers you, the problem is you not them in general.
And there are plenty of atheists along with theists who get hoodwinked as you call it by their respective religions. I mean most atheists come to this channel unable to properly question and see the fallacies in speakers like Hitchens. My point is it’s not a phenomenon exclusive to theists.
While I wonder what Dinesh De Souza's reply to Christopher Hitchens' rock solid presentation was , I have absolutely no desire to spend even 30 seconds to listen to it. This was one of the most brilliant talks I've ever heard on any subject. Hitch had [has] been simply too brilliant to be debated with. I do pity all who tried, but I could have told them what would be their fate long before they even approached a microphone and an audience. If there is such a place like hell [hell, no!], I trust that all of Hitches' debaters would end up there on a single charge: HUBRIS.
Yet note how he says “people of the region were not required to go back to their hometown, that’s never happened” yet via a UK government website, it says “The Romans conducted censuses every five years, calling upon every man and his family to return to his place of birth to be counted in order to keep track of the population.”
You see you fail where Hitchens fails. You let your bias stop you from truly questioning and instead fall to confirmation bias. Hitchens wasn’t a horrible person and was very intelligent, he just let his bias on theism cloud his arguments.
Confirmation bias much?
If you want to be correct, you should listen to the other side.
A youtuber named “Kyle” is often making good arguments against atheism and in favour of Orthodox Christianity.
@@Platypus4321 This is not a valid argument: Christianity vs. Atheism or Creationism vs. Evolution etc. I have heard the other side ad nauseum, and I know the facts, and ignore the other side's fiction. If you think that my views are incorrect, it's your prerogative to thinks so, but I am not ignorant of the so called arguments on the other side. By contrast, it would be good for them, [because we, Atheists are NOT proselytizers] to consider the FACTS we'd presented to them. So thanks for the advice, but I have no need for mythology masquerading as fact.
For a smart man, Hitchens badly misunderstands Christianity. He accepts the translation "take no thought for the morrow" as meaning do not plan or provide. But a better translation into modern English is "don't be anxious about the future." Make reasonable provisions, but don't get tied up in worrying about things you can't control. Very good advice. (But NOT Jesus' central tenet, as Hitchens maintains. Where did Hitchens get the idea that this was Jesus' fundamental message?).
You raise the fundamental problem with religion. Hitchens interprets a passage in an old book one way. you another, and other believers will interpret it yet further ways. And there is NO way to resolve the disagreements: NO evidence, NO test which can be used to show which interpretation has truth on its side. The disagreements will be eternal.
This is one reason for not touching 'revealed truth' in old books with a bargepole. If there is no test which can verify statements, then we have no way of telling whether they are true or not.
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Consider what was lost when the Library in Alexandria was destroyed. All that "pagan" knowledge eradicated, because the Church wished to establish its own infallability. (sp).
Lauren Russell-Pank Indeed. Bertrand Russell points out that there is not a single word in the Bible in praise of intelligence. And Eve's catastrophic sin, significantly, was to eat from the tree of knowledge. Priests prefer ill-educated, unquestioning believers, because they are the most gullible.
Sister CC, well done in exposing this demonic madman called Hitchens. Those that have demons and love Satan follow his irrationality and absorb it like a drug.