Joni Mitchell breaks up with David Crosby in the most brutal (and classic) way
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- David Crosby discovered Canadian Joni Mitchell, brought her to California, helped her get a record deal and produced her first album. While also falling in love with the singer/songwriter. But when it was time to break up with him, she found a unique way to let him know. This video talks about that experience and how Crosby dealt with those circumstances.
Correction: Woodstock, Aug '69, not July '69. Forgive me.
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Did Crosby deserve it? For more details on this story, check out this very cool article by FAROUT Magazine on the short-lived relationship.
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When you cheat on a woman multiple times and get caught (all the while thinking you won't get caught), you should count yourself lucky that all she did was write a song and sing it to you twice. Hubris.
Brilliant
Yup. He cheated on a beautiful women multiple times, how stupid was he?
Yes and he was still talking about it decades later as if that's all that counted.
every addict in the world, “ YEA, but I was high !!!!”
I like to think, in an alternate timeline, they never broke up, he treated her well, & they continued making beautiful music together. Regardless, thankful for both their contributions.
Grew up with these folks. Hard getting old, watching them leave. Miss those days so badly.
So so very true....
Much harder still watching them get so out of shape.
Simpler times.....
Indeed
Yea, I know. It's really hard when your are one of them...jt
This misses a few essential points. Firstly, that Joni and Nash stayed together two years after meeting and loved each other very much, and that there was a CSN before there was a CSNY. And finally, Joni has fully recovered from her brain aneurysm.
Joni is still pretty impaired unfortunately. That live appearance at the Newport Folk Festival was pretty painful to watch as she needed so much help. It reminded me of Brian Wilson on tour last year when he was struggling with health issues. Hopefully, she gets better next year.
An amzing recovery, considering she was lying unconscious on her kitchen floor for what, two or three days? Wow.
@@TheaKelley Yes, I agree. I hope that she can continue to improve and that Brian Wilson can overcome his issues as well.
It was about Crisby and Mitchell not Nash and Mitchell.
The first gig was CSNY.
@@ascoop22 , nope, CSN first formed in 1968, made their first album, and then Young joined. Graham wasn’t happy about it feeling that Neil would take away from their vocal harmonies.
Being 69 years old, I'm so glad I lived thru that time. It was definitely the greatest time for music.
Seventies were better. Better musicians, better sound systems, and bands played in tune. Woodstock was a happening where nobody knew how to tunafish, much less guitars.
@@FrankHerrera-qr1mh I;m confused by your statement. Joni and CSN&Y we still gong strong in the 70's, What's your point?
@alisonlambert1429 My point? The sixties were mentioned, and the 60s were overrated. lots of good music, but damn, there was a lot of equally horrendous rip-off groups. Live performances were crappy. And folk rock was not my cup of tea. I lived through it, and I prefer the 70s. The good ones made it through. All the crap was flushed. I'll take GFR (still not in rock hall of fame, but Madonna is), CCR, Doobies, Eagles, Chicago, Elton, Edgar Winter, and for soft: James T, Carol King and Carly S. Then you had Urban Cowboy and all those great country singers and finish the party with K.C, Commodores, Earth Wind & Fire. Just a better decade. That's all.
@@FrankHerrera-qr1mh in your opinion.
@@sexilexi1461 Everything on here is opinions. Some just do it using FAKE names
Just a little clarification. They didn't form Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young. They formed Crosby, Stills & Nash in 1968. They released their debut album "Crosby, Stills & Nash" in May of 1969. After the release of the album they realized they needed another player for touring. They reached out to Eric Clapton, he said no. Stills and Nash traveled to England to recruit Steve Winwood. He turned them down. Neil Young was suggested by Ahmet Ertegun, president of Atlantic records. Stills and Young had been band mates in Buffalo Springfield. Neil had already established a solo career and had relasesed two LP's "Neil Young" in November 1968 and "Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere" in May 1969. Neil joined the band early in 1969 and their first album as Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, "Deja Vu" was released in March of 1970. Simultaneously while recording "Deja Vu" Neil young was also recordng his third album "After the Gold Rush" released in "September 1970" Jimi Hendrix referred to CSN as “trippy Western sky music”.
Of course Neil had played with Stills with Buffalo Springfield.
@@neilhopwoodsjugband A given.
What blows my mind is that they all landed in the same area, we’re all friends and through it Crosby, Stills meet Nash who heard their sound and left one of the most popular bands at that time to join them because he knew how powerful it would become! Meeting Joni and living with her helped Nash become a deeper songwriter! And staying friends for life after everything that happened is amazing! CSN are awesome add Young and it was magical! But Joni Mitchell blows them all away! That much talent in one person is scary!
@@loucal1227 i once rented a back house from a record producer. Many famous and talented people passed through on the way to his studio. One night he had a get-together at his house and invited me to join the fun. Everyone from Laurel Canyon made an appearance except Joni. I spoke to a person who was working with her on “Wild Things Run Fast.” He told me that the problems everyone had with her is that she was completely nocturnal, and was very insistent on doing things her own way, so that people would get summoned to work at all hours of the night. He said that Graham Nash didn’t like her working like that because he wanted a more traditional way of life. I don’t know how much of what he told me is true, but I kind of believe it for the most part.
@@sexilexi1461 I would certainly believe what he said because she would hear someone say something and inspiration would hit! Her and Nash went shopping after getting breakfast and she bought a cheap vase! When they returned home he said to her; ill light the fire you place flowers in the vase and she said to him I think you have a song there, and he wrote that song in an hour while they sat by the piano in her house! Not only did she get hit with inspiration but those around her did too! Although I personally think Nash was awesome all on his own he said just living with her you couldn’t help but get better because she was always creating!
" I don't get along very well with her anymore but I will always love her."
How many of us can say the same thing about people we've known and loved in our lives? I'm going to guess virtually everyone.
Joni Mitchell loved every one of those musicians from that era. She was in love with Graham Nash, and she broke James Taylor’s heart when he was taking her home to meet his family and she didn’t show up for their flight.
The 'background' photos in this clip are amazing. Peter Tork, Mama Cass, David Geffen, and more. Great story too!
Thank you. The photo I liked as well, was the one of a young Bonnie Raitt, Maria Muldaur and Linda Ronstadt... just hanging out together.
I Totally agree.., and the Background story is supported by the amazing photos. "Tumultuous" is acceptable to some degree, when the aptitude, sustain, and effects of passion are all at MAX
Jackson Brown. Steve Miller.
Laurel Canyon must have been to modern folk and rock music, like Florence was to the renaissance in visual arts. The singers and songwriters that populated that area in that era were truly magical. The music and harmonies that flowed, are timeless.
Yes ,it was along with San Francisco and London a big part of the Aquarian Renaissance.
And later infamous! ...
The Wonderland murders, also known as the Four on the Floor Murders or the Laurel Canyon Murders, are four unsolved murders that occurred in Los Angeles, California, United States, on July 1, 1981.
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@@rft2001 -- had never heard the term, Aquarian Renaissance before. ❤️
I like it. Don't forget Greenwich Village, though I myself am partial to the history of Haight-Ashbury. Peace. ✌️🙏
@@Xaxtarr_Neonraven Oh yes, how could I forget to mention Greenwich Village. I'm partial to The Haight as well. Thanks for pointing that out. I'm glad that you like that term. Peace to you also.
I watched the Laurel Canyon documentary and I have to say it seemed like a little slice of heaven fell to earth for a moment in time. It was cheap, beautiful, and filled with some of the most talented and beautiful people of the time. Every body was tripping and screwing and making great music. Everybody wandered freely in and out of each other’s houses etc. then the Manson murders ended the innocence of the era followed by hard drugs, money and egos. Nothing good lasts forever. My favorite part of the doc was when someone brought Eric Clapton up there and he was just sitting mesmerized by this awesome beautiful girl playing this guitar in some exotic tuning he’d never heard of and singing like a bird all while sitting with some of the hippest cats in the music business in a veritable garden of eden. That girl was Joni Mitchell.
I'd known David Crosby since we were kids preforming in the North Beach coffee houses. "David Crosby had one of the sweetest voices any of us ever heard - even people who did not want to talk to David wanted to sing with him." That's the best thing I ever said about David Crosby. RIP Brother....jt
I lived in North Beach 45 years. I met him in SF, we were looking at Gibson guitars, just the two of us. I was at Woodstock and standing behind Stephen Stills on the stage when they played. Paul Kantner was my neighbor and friend.
😮
Graham Nash wrote "Our House" recorded on the CSN album Déjà Vu (1970) describing domestic bliss living with Joni Mitchell, and I imagine that that must have been a difficult song for David Crosby to perform.
David had no problem at all with Graham’s involvement with Joni. He was well into his “no strings attached” style open relationships and shunned possessiveness. And Graham was one of his best friends at the time and wouldn’t let this stand in the way.
I can't imagine Crosby even dreaming of singing such drivel, to be honest.
Actually, he found that entire album difficult to record, because he had just lost his girlfriend at the time in a car accident. So none of that other stuff would have mattered at the time.
That entire song seems delusional. He was an addict and serial philanderer. Some might go so far to say he was a narcissist, which is often the case when you get into drug dependence and serial fcking women (or men).
@@pauldavidmartin8062 It's actually a tremendous piece of songwriting. If you could write a few of these, you wouldn't have to work anymore.
These were the best times for musicians, incredible lyrics and great talent . We’ll never see it again.
Never is so true!
Incredible times.
Absolutely
Spot on sir, of course. My thoughts circle to what will happen when all of the great ones are gone, and we who appreciate them, and drawn to tears with the beauty of their compositions, are also gone. Will future generations play Joni or the Beatles or the Who the way classical music is enjoyed by many as a genre? Will they understand punk music? Will the combined elements of fusion be appreciated? Will the greatness and longevity of Neil Young be understood? We will never know. I hope some may find it. I love Floyd, and if they keep playing DSOM on the radio, I guess it will just keep selling. But they're not better than all the other greats, but life's not fair. It shouldn't be decided by profit.....
Agreed
Well, better to hear lyrics anyway
I followed Crosby on Twitter and he often comes off like a real jerk. It was SO good to hear him give Joni her due. He didn't say FEMALE singer/songwriter, but greatest one of his time. That is so true. She's incredible. I found out through this video that Crosby died. How did I miss that?
Who on Twitter does not come off like a real jerk? Among all of the twits on Twitter, I dug Crosby's posts the most.
@@rft2001 Yeah, true. On one post, i remember some guy, somehow got him to listen to the guy's music. He eviscerated him. This was after the guy had told him how important he was to him. It was really unkind.
@@peterc6156 Yeah, that was a little harsh. The thing that everyone has to remember about Croz is that he was brutally honest. In this modern society, we (especially millennials) expect everyone to be faux nice. I respect Croz for telling it like he saw it and being authentic. I'd rather have an authentic grouch than a backstabbing person who is nice to my face.
@@rft2001 It wasn't that he was so harsh, but that he did it in such a public forum. I'm an artist. I can handle constructive criticism. I'm 100% with you on someone who's an authentic grouch. Crosby should probably have had a better sense of who he actually is and maybe been a little kinder. There are ways of being brutally honest, but kind. Either way, Crosby is a legend, but I really appreciate how he put Joni in her rightful spot.
@@peterc6156 Yeah, I agree. It was not kind and I am sure that David would not want to be remembered for that mistake. Being more diplomatic would have helped David in many situations that he got himself into.
Fifty years back, when I was young and carless, I skipped ahead of an old woman waiting to be served at a deli. She cracked me on the head with her cane and said, "You gotta be tough when you're old" Truer words more now than ever. When all your friends are gone, just memories, like an old song.
And now you're old and in the way and still careless of course
Joni Mitchell has got me through some of the worst times in my life with her beautiful voice and wonderful words. My favourites are all her earlier albums, made when I was just a child. I was introduced to her in my twenties (I’m 57 now) and her music is the enduring love of my life, and her songs play in my head and on my lips when I am happy, too.
I’m so glad she is recovered from her aneurysm - I will be devastated when her time to leave comes.
I am 57 or so and I remember listening to Joni on the radio.....everytime I hear her it takes me back
We are all human, as is Joni. Without her nicotine addiction and the obvious ravages of smoking, I am sure she'd still be performing. Hate is a strong word, but selfishly, and as you also indicate, life will be less without her someday. I so hate cigarettes.
❤❤❤ so everlasting, so divine & magic!
Whispers of summer lawns ❤
I am 76, and grew up with Joni's music. But for me her best work began after she dropped her singing voice an octave. She says that of all her work, most of it could have been done by someone else (debatable!!). But 'Hejira' could only have been hers. I agree. it is without doubt her best work, and if you haven't listened to it, and the several albums of the years following it, then I urge you to do so. I would say that her collaboration with Jaco Pastorius on Hejira and the albums of that time - they were lovers too - is a musical high point of the kind that only comes once every century. I feel honored to have grown up with her work, and still listen to it actively, and frequently.
We are so privileged to have lived alongside these wonderful people. Their music is such a gift.Thank you and RIP David Crosby. ☘
Thought I'd write a comment, but couldn't match that short, beautiful homage.
Yes, we've lost one of our greats. x
They're not Gods...They're ordinary people who just make music like everyone else who perform their jobs like everyone else..why people hold these these musicians on a pedestal is beyond my comprehension
Why are we privileged? They’re just underwear stainers like the rest of us. Like, seriously … let’s stop with the hero worship crap, yeah?
Crosby was ANYTHING but wonderful…
Hats off to Crosby for stating a fundamental truth. It is hard to think of a better songwriter, musician and singer than Joni Mitchell. She was also second to none as a performer. Heads and shoulders above Dylan as a poet, in my own view. I still worship her music. She's also tough as nails, more power to her for that.
Joni's album "Blue" got me thru the toughest period of my life up to that time - when I joined the Navy at 17, in 1970. First time on my own, away from home - strange places - even stranger strangers. Her musical chronicle of transiting dark times of the soul gave me the perspective and hope I lacked, and needed desperately. I never met her, but saw her live a number of times - my favorite being at Phila. Academy of Music. When I moved to LA in '75, I did my own Canyon discovery thing in Sierra Madre, Topanga, and Bell - and those were some sweet, amazing times. I wholeheartedly agree with Crosby's (RIP) assessment of her, in every way - check out her live performance of "Woodstock" (live In-Studio 1970) - I can't think of anyone else in my lifetime who could write and perform like that. As for brutal, I'll go with her "The Magdalene Laundries". And giving credit where due - Bob Dylan owns that category for me; see "Positively 4th Street", and "Just Like A Woman". Thank You, Joni Mitchell - love you always.
I m with you 🤗
Joni and Joan…the songs of my life. I’m 77 now. I cried when David died. The duets he sang with you re burned. Into my soul. Yours are my hymns. I love you for what you have shared with us. Thank you beyond words. 🙏🏼
Crosby was a terrible human being. But! Since “TH-cam Pravda” does not allow free speech, i will say R.I.P. David Crosby FDP
@@RjBenjamin353 Two questions: why do you say that and how old are you?
@@RjBenjamin353 How dare you speak so ill of someone who just passed. David was a great man who had some rough edges but who stood up for creating positive change in the world, fierce honesty, authenticity and gave the music world so much. He not only was in two of the greatest bands of all time but he also introduced west coast bands and The Beatles to eastern music that basically started psychedelic music and then went on to basically found the acid folk movement.
You would be better served to learn some tact, manners and grace.
@@rft2001 Ask Graham Nash
@@RjBenjamin353 Yeah, Graham was bitter but may be over it now. David's brutal honesty and lack of a filter could result in some harsh statements but at least he was real. I'll let you know if Graham mentions it when I see him in a few months. Stephen and Neil forgave David.
Thank you for this beautiful tribute. It’s heart-breaking when a member of a cherished band dies, because you know they’ll never sing together as a band ever again. CSN&Y had the most exquisitely beautiful harmonies. They transported you to an intimately sacred space in time where it felt safe and where there was beauty & love.
Hello Therese
How are you doing today?
I have always loved Joni and her music and paintings!!
The Mingus album features both! One of my favorites..
Carole King was right up there as well!
I recently saw Jim Messina of Loggins & Messina perform. He was a member of the Laurel Canyon scene, guitar player, songwriter, producer. Jim kindly came back on stage after the show for Q&A and was asked who was the most talented person you've worked with and he said Joni Mitchell who he said showed up 19 or so with David Crosby to work on her first album with 19 or so amazing songs...
David is brilliantly gracious about the whole thing. Respect.
Glad he recognizes she’s the greatest songwriter of all time. Period.
Of all time? You must be joking right? Have you listened to other singer/song writers? Joni was talented but the greatest? Nope.
That's like saying Bob Ross was the greatest painter of all time.
All. Time.
Oh damn you look like BTK
It was very big of David to acknowledge his deep respect for Joni’s superior talent. That’s huge!
RIP my Idol David...🙏🙏🙏
Your songs (CSN&Y) had been part
of me since my teenage....you're always be remembered....😥♥️
Love Guinevere song David wrote. Especially how he tuned his guitar for it.
Ask Joni, and NO, Crosby didn't "discover" her. She was doing quite well on her own, thank you.
No not really. Didnt you listen? He introduced her to influential people and got her a record deal. It might have taken her years to reach that point otherwise. That is plainly what was meant. Yes she had a small audience and small following. At a young age and in that time, getting a record deal and broad exposure was enormously important.
@@granthurlburt4062 - You might want to look at a dictionary, and find the definition of "discover."
will always remember David the voice the harmony rip yr magnificent
Yeah, there was no one ever like Croz. He was completely unique.
He was a complete douche bag
@@brianwilson8983 What is your problem man? Do you have any idea of how important Crosby was? Sounds like you are mirroring. Only a complete douche bag (you have such a couth way with the English language) would write such a nasty thing about a true rock legend, especially right after they died. You must be a real sicko.
I would not call it brutal. It was graceful, elegant. And more than he deserved. But at least we got Midway out of such grace.
I saw Crosby's 2019 movie directed by Cameron Crowe. Crosby said "No one who ever made music with me will speak to me". The Question Mr Crowe left out of the 2 hour movie was to ask Crosby "WHY?" He did not. Crosby said he was able to help Joni after her long illness. He seemed to have made restitution.
I was around when these people were young and virile, bought many of their albums as original releases. I could never imagine how unsettling it would feel to see them growing old and passing away, one after another.
Yes, it is going to be very hard as more pass away. Losing Paul Kantner and Marty Balin was hard for me but David is at the heart of my love for music. I was too young when those albums came out but these guys were like sages to younger people like myself growing up in the late 70's and 80's. They showed us what authenticity was in an era where MTV posers ruled the airwaves.
@@JenSell1626 Look, I'm not trying to rank musicians and artists but anyone with any modicum of taste and knowledge that the MTV era was cheesy and commercial in comparison to the 60's music. That is pretty much widely accepted. The Beatles, Dylan, Hendrix, Beach Boys, Cream, etc. pretty much defined rock music. I really don't think that you can make a similar point about 80's music. There are some wonderful 80's artists though, such as David Sylvian, Everything But The Girl, The Style Council, Sade, The Smiths, Tears For Fears and the later, more mature work of George Michael.
@@JenSell1626 Wow, what got your panties in a twist? I guess you want me to apologize for having intellect and taste. Yes, the music of the sixties started off as more pop-oriented but it grew to be an art form as psychedelic rock progressive rock folk rock all took things in a much more complex direction. Do you want to debate that point? I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with pop music. I really don't care if you or anyone else thinks I'm smart. I'm just laying it out as I see it, being authentic. So cool it and then maybe we can converse.
@@JenSell1626 I do just have a couple more things to say. We were talking about the loss of our favorite artists and how it affects us. You were the one who came in to the conversation and got angry over some little comment that I made about MTV.
The second point that I want to make is that I was referring these artists being the greatest only in terms of the rock era. I love diverse music and listen to everything from Louis Armstrong to Howlin Wolf to Woody Guthrie to Sinatra to Jobim to Miles to Stevie to Brubeck all the way up to more modern rock like metal, psych, prog, indie and even disco and electronica. So yes, we can all appreciate different musical styles and that is great, but my point is that in terms of the creation of serious rock music (as opposed to the earlier rock and roll) and the album format, The Beatles, Dylan (and arguably the Beach Boys and Moody Blues) are the most important artists while artists such as The Pink Floyd, Traffic, King Crimson, CSNY, etc further refined the concept of serious rock music.
Amen.
He’s right about Joni being the greatest singer songwriter of our time. She’s the best. It hard to decide between Blue and Hejira. I think Hejira because it’s more mature.
When I think about who I’d want to live forever, she’s at the top of my list.
Before she knew any of them she was married to a folk singer named Chuck Mitchell. He was a good friend of my parents, a good person, and a really good singer songwriter in his own right. Hence the Mitchell of joni Mitchell.
was he the father of Little Green?????
@@liz-iy6zm YES ❤
RIP David, just days ago it seems. This video is how I found out. Joni is pretty much singular as a creative musician.
I’d like to hear Joni’s side of the story. David had many difficult relationships with many people
Yeah. She had to have been pretty resentful to do it that way.
@@tnijoo5109 it's what happens when they cheat on you with numerous other women.
@@rottierumbles9451 To call what was going on publicly at that time "cheating" is really a misuse of language.
@@joeyfotofr nope he was cheating on her, a proper use of language in this instance.
@@rottierumbles9451 I knew David before that in North Beach and in LA. where we all lived. Mike Clark the Byrds' drummer was a life-long friend. That is not an correct description of what life was like in our community. May describe life in Iowa... not Laurel Cañon. Too simplistic.
Neil Young didn’t join CSN until after the first album when they needed extra musicians in order to tour. This was because Steven Stills had played almost all of the instruments on the album - except drums. Steven Stills brought up Neil Young because of their relationship in Buffalo Springfield. Only after Graham Nash met Young and okayed the addition did he join CSN.
Neil Young was asked to join CSN because both John Sebastian and Steve Winwood had declined.
I heard Crosby say once that someone asked why were they bringing Young into the group at the time when they already had a good guitarist in Stills . And Stills responded “ have you ever heard Neil and us play together ? It’s really magic .” And then Neil was asked to join the band
David Crosby once said I don't care if there's 99 of us we get chance add Neil young we do it & dont take him for granted
@@56dinosaur Interesting. I'm contemplating Winwood singing with CSN. Interesting.
Neil didn't want to contribute any good songs to CSNY ('cause he's usually a selfish pr--k) but for "Helpless" though the only great songwriter to be in the band. Steve is very skilled and a great songwriter (Hand Upside Down, Rock and Roll Woman, 4 and 20) but after Buf Springfield and he was not so good. I think he probably wrote some of his good contributions to CSN before CSN even started. After two good records, CSN was in trouble as far as songs. Neil's career soared though his work was not so accessible at times. Neil only OK'd playing with CSN if they allowed Young's name IN. They knew they needed help and gave in. 4 way Street demonstrates some of Neil's good songs.
David Crosby is a great man and amazing songwriter. I photographed him in January 2017. He was polite, friendly and warm and engaging. All of these comments attacking David Crosby are insensitive and cruel. It is easy to judge others when you haven't walked a mile in their shoes. A pathetic lack of respect for these artists and their privacy and frankly is cheap gossip and none of our business in my opinion. RIP David Crosby. You are missed.
Love Joni Have so much gratitude for his statement about her , so sincere and humble even though I agree for the most part, David and his other legendary bandmates weren't to shabby themselves , it's so incredible that all these artist were and are fortunate enough to have cross paths . He passed a few days after my favorite guitarist of all time Jeff Beck and a few weeks after the one and only Christine McVie it has been such a sad and difficult time in music history but a reminder of what these wonderful artist contributed to the world and for everyone to keep on keeping on with our own journey in music and in life bc this is the age of one of the most spectacular generations of musicians to start to transcend to the next phases and dimensions of all existence ,we will continue to have to say goodbye to these legends and just learn to appreciate what we once had and will always have recorded in the history of the art and
universal language of music. what would life be without it ? !!!
I was going to comment here, but, yours was a more eloquent and expressive ode than what I could have written! Well said, mate!! 👏👍🙏
WOW,,,, very well said. Even brought tears to my eyes!!!
Thanks for your kind replies !
John
Randy Bachman too...🙏😢so many, and alll are getting to that age. We re just blessed to have shared the time on the planet w all of them.
When I saw Joni Mitchell with Van Morrison and Bob Dylan, she really stole the show! It was so lovely to see the three of them sing “My Back Pages” together.
“Ah, but I was so much older then, I’m younger than that now…”
I was picking people out of all the photos...damn, I'm getting old!
1-23-1950; CSNY, aboard a Navy ship, when the Band put out those first 2 or 3 albums................... PRICELESS, and Helpless !
So are all those people
Aren’t we all!
lol.... If it's any consolation, getting old is a temporary condition. 😇
@@acousticshadow4032 - Which, unfortunately, leads to a permanent one..
I always thought someone should write a book or make a movie about that time and it should be called Both Sides Now. Joni Mitchell and Judy Collins were both integral parts of the music scene in the late 1960s and early 1970s, both did popular versions of the title song and both were romantically linked to CSN at some point, Joni with David Crosby and Graham Nash and Judy with Stephen Stills. Stills reportedly wrote the song Suite: Judy Blue Eyes about Collins and supposedly Graham Nash was part of the inspiration for Mitchell's brilliant but sad A Case of You. What a time that was, we'll never see anything like that again.
We won't. We had our turn but hopefully our grandchildren will have a chance to feel that joy and liberation again, as a nation. Many people who are not bound by trends are probably doing it right now... The beat of the Movable Feast goes on....jt
We need that now😅
Loved Joni' s music. " hey Blue" says it all about Nash, especially the line about "... Acid booze and ass, needles guns and grass..lots of laughs... Lots of laughs..." Says it all. It was a cathartic lyric for Joni.
Yeah David you said it perfectly: "I don't get along with her that well anymore but I do love her with my whole heart for what she gave us"
Joni was a genius! Plain and simple! Thank you Joni! You gave us so much music!
She is not dead. David is.
@@donofon1014 Joey never stated that she was dead. He only stated that the music that Joni produced was in the past, which is correct.
Was ?
Let's be real. Joni's husky, sweet, up-and-down and too-high-around vocals are annoying to me. Her best songs are folk and country-twinged, i.e. her best songs are Urge for Going, The Circle Game and she loses me with her blues and jazz songs. Except I sort of like "River". It took Neil Young 30 more years of recording to produce annoying music. And "For Free" is a fantastically great song but not sure of the genre. Love 8 or so songs and hate the rest.
@@oppothumbs1 you over worry about categories, Bing Crosby; :St Louis Blues and Buddy Can you Spare a Dime.. are not Crooner "standards:" Just some of his best work.
Thanx for this. Cool how David still loved Joni "with all his heart" after all these years. Truly a wonderful man with a big heart. Missing you already Croz (as I'm sure many are). but you'll always be right here with me on my journey. Thx for all the great memories. ✌️
No he said he loved her music and that the two were never close after their breakup.
@@jeffforsythe9514 I don't believe that knowing the kind of person he was. David became much more loving and forgiving than he was in his younger years Imo. I think he got over himself in other words. Seemed to me that he had a lot of regrets about the careless way he used to treat people. Joni was perhaps the most important example of this.
Well, yeah, but he said the same thing about Judy Collins.
I’m sure he loved both of them with all his heart. 😁
Great video, very interesting to see all the connections between all those super talented people. Joni Mitchell is without doubt, a musical goddess.
As an FM DJ in LA since the late 1960s, I sort of grew up with them over the years, although not personal friends. Met them a few times, usually involving concerts or recording. Still love them all.
Blue is a great album. I am lucky to have grown up with this music, and to have had a music radio career. I have to give a shout out to an old friend who is missed….Gene Shay, a founder of the Phila Folksong Society.
I think Court and Spark is even better.
Watching Joni Mitchell at age 80 perform Both Sides Now at the 2024 Grammy Awards was so moving. A brilliant song , hope the modern day performers at the show took note of this masterpiece of a song and step up their game.
So well made, thank you so much for your work!
when you are little... the time from one Christmas morning to the next is like one quarter, fifth sixth of remembered life. Now the time between those are only one 60th or 70th ??
Just to keep things accurate: Niel Young was not an original member of Crosby, Still & Nash and Woodstock was in August of of 1969, not July.
July
Actually, Young was onstage with CSN at Woodstock, but asked to not be included in the movie.
Crosby wasn't her first. She was married to Chuck Mitchell in Detroit in June 1965. Chuck sang at my parents wedding in January '65.
I was at a Graham Nash concert some years ago and he was still going on about Joni Mitchell breaking his heart so she could establish her own career. He said Crosby told him he had a friend he thought Graham should meet and it was true love when he met her. Funny thing, is my 1st love and I had split after a bad motorcycle accident at the same time his album Songs for Beginners came out and I would always get sad listening to it. Turned out those sad songs were about Joni dumping him.
The monster dumperoo
I don’t think there will ever be another singer/songwriter like Joni. She truly is the best.
And a sensitive woman too
@@elisabettabubola4927 You would have to be sensitive to write the beautiful lyrics and melodies she has written for sure.
There's already been a shitload.
She's the grand dame of "shoegaze" music I suppose.
But nobody else in the history of recorded music has carried and shared the weight of musical and lyrical riches that Bob Dylan has. And considering the state of popular music today, no one else is going to come close.
@@elisabettabubola4927 She turns that on and off.
What an era! When I moved to SF in the 80's, that vibe still hung in the air. Just everywhere, parks, the old victorian apts, the cafes, you could just imagine the scene. WOW! That would have been such an awesome time to be alive.
I think you must be young as I was there Right after Haight Ashbury was dead & it was SO vacant, just a few street junkies still hanging on, & none of the former beauty,glory & life that was SF.
@@MizzAugust7 I think it comes and goes in waves. I visited as a kid in the late 60's, early 70's, and I moved back in the 80's. It was sort of like tidal waves of different groups. I had a good time while I was there.
But I knew many older people that were there, and they had stories to tell and plenty of memorabilia. There were still cool little shops and whatnot, book stores, cafes. I had a blast exploring the place.
Well, and too, my great grandparents, and grandmother, mother were from there. SO I was checking out how and where they may have lived and walked.
At some point I left, and when I came back it wasn't even like the same place. But I still have fond memories of the time I was there.
The hippy thing lasted just for a few months and then everyone for some reason put on their ties and went bask to the office and now look at the mess we are in, but not me. I have been a Falun Dafa practitioner for 18 years.
@@jeffforsythe9514 Oh wow! That's cool! I had to look that up 😎 Good path, improving the world, thank you for your service. I was in tickets, so no suit and tie, I worked from home before it was cool. I was offered a slot teaching at Esalon, but I had responsibilities, so I turned it down. I wonder where that path would have led. LOL
I suspect there's been many tidal waves of change since then, but yes, the mess that city is in is a shame. My family helped build that city.
Portland is looking at the same fate, as well as Seattle. It's too bad. When you look at the reasons WHY, as well as who is responsible for the mess, add on the fact that a handful of cities are ruining entire STATES.... Should be crimina charges pressed, yet the problems are the ones making the laws!
✨🕊 be well, stay peaceful and prosperous✨
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I had no idea this song was about David Crosby . WOW . And its always been my favorite song , but I first heard it sung by Bonnie Raitt in the 1970 s . never even knew Joni wrote it until years later ! I must confess that Bonnies rendition is and always will be the perfect fit for this song . Bonnie has lived it a few times, I can hear it in her vocals , she owns it . imo) 🙏🏼RIP David Crosby . He was the one who brought Joni to the rest of us , I feel . 🤩🕺🙌🏻🫶🏼🙏🏼👏🏼🥰
It's hard losing the best of the best but we can be thankful for recordings as those will go on and on.
I think Song To A Seagull is one of the greatest debut albums ever. I agree with David's comment on where Joni stands, given her command of language, story telling, musicianship and vocals. But to announce a break up in front of everyone sucks.
I hadn't considered her as one of the greatest singer-songwriters. I think Dylan is a better songwriter, but when you reach the level of Joni Mitchell, it's largely a matter of taste. I wouldn't want to speculate about the reason for her public breakup announcement. Perhaps it was earned.
Yeah, and to get repeatedly cheated on while everyone knows it sucks more. Crosby deserved it. Twice.
Thanks for the background Info! Rest in Peace David 🙏✨️
This was a fantastic listen thank you
I believe Woodstock was in August of '69, not July. @ 3:05
I also wanted to say that David lived a long life for what he lived through 🙏 🙏
You have a great voice for those kind of video content , long live your channel !
Fabulous, thank you. ❤❤❤❤NSW AUSTRALIA 🌸🌺💝
man...time don't fly, it leap's and bound's....were does the time go?? Joni's words/music helped me see by listening...she is a genus hope to see her on tour soon
Why does it feel like time moves faster the older I get? Kind of scary and sad.
Reminds me of the beautiful Fairport Convention song sung by Sandy Denny Who Knows Where The Time Goes....... 🕰
@@cuda426hemi Oh yeah, those early Fairport albums are amazing.
@@sstills951 My theory is that it's like a record, that each revolution/circle gets a bit smaller as you get closer to the end. When you're 5 years old, a year represents 20% of your life; when you're 25 it's 4% of your life; when you're 50 it's 2% of your life; and so on. That's why if feels like time moves faster as we get older. We know that outside of leap days and leap seconds, every year is the same length of time. It's our perception that changes.
@@cuda426hemi Gorgeous song. Judy Collins and Nina Simone both covered it.
Terrific photos and video clips, well organized- love that b/w
My heart is so much a part of David and SN&Y . I’m old now but my sons even appreciate the unforgettable feelings and songs of the Four guys that changes The Hippie Revolution!👍✅
There are definitely some accusations in the metaphor of "That Song About the Midway", but the main point centers around wonderment and insight into a person who is still interesting to her even as she leaves him and there's also a lot of genuine sadness in the writing. The song ends with Joni envious of the free joy and fast life of the person described in the song, writing, "I envy you the valley that you've found", longing for that reprieve as she broods on her approaching middle age and no longer keeping up with such a fast and fun life. Not a kind song, but also, not an unmitigated jab. The song stands up well outside of the context of that breakup that informs the metaphors. For a comparison of a much weaker folk songwriter doing somewhat the same song stunt with a breakup, see Joan Baez's "Love Song To A Stranger" referencing Bob Dylan and "Love Song for a stranger Part 2" trying to somehow bring obligatory song and poetry to their horrendous breakup. Interesting, but the second song is nowhere near as strong read as pure poetry,minus the context.
Look at the picture at 5:46. Am I nuts or is that John Kay of Steppenwolf way down on the end? By the way, I grew up on Joni's music and I still love it today.
RIP David. You will be missed forever.
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How are you doing today?
Thanks so much for the excellent content.
Rest your Soul in Peace
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David Crosby
Free spirited musicians performers falling in and out of love easily:. Don’t forget it was the times And Joni also cherished her own freedom and the possibility of the ‘new ‘ in life and love!! She didn’t want to be tied down by any relationship at all!!! Her lyrics reinforce this over and over.
Just Like a Woman!?
Back then, in late 60's, many friends and musicians formed communes. They all shared everything, in every way. People were into peace, free love, and tolerance and hope. Everyone embraced joy and loving each other in groups. It was a great time in history.
Thank you for your comment, what a beautiful way to wake up. I think I will listen to Blue today and remember the way everything used to be.
You’re right. CSNY actually thought they could change the world with the music of Woodstock.
Yes we did and half of us have passed along and the rest of us still love each other. ❤
@@robertacolarette1594..the Boomer generation thought they could change the world. They did, in many ways -- environmental awareness, gender equality, civil rights, reproductive freedom. These are some issues that society embraced and have remained somewhat steadfast. Many other concepts slipped away, unfortunately.. not much peace anymore, gun proliferation, wars, not really much love or brotherhood currently, and overpopulation has impacted almost every part of a great quality of life. I guess things come in phases. Some persists and others fade away.
So we carry on as best we can, hoping.
@@blairsterling6141 🤣🤣😂😂😆
Joni Mitchell is truly a major part of the soundtrack of my life along with Crosby stills and Nash
I've never thought of Midway as a breakup song. Now my mind's eye will forever be tainted by knowing David Crosby was (allegedly) the guy who 'stood out like a ruby in a black man's ear' and 'wearing wings' and could 'fly just like an eagle doing it's hunting from the sky'. All credit to David for engineering Song To A Seagull, but I absolutely don't want him connected in That Song About The Midway...
Rest assured. The only person who thinks it's about him is Crosby. She wrote the song about Leonard Cohen, as well as "Coyote". It's a great song for sure!
The Rock & Roll Professor needs some historical schooling about dates and who was where!
She is, in the abstract, far better than the whole of CSNY combined. Musically, she has explored very little territory --except her jazz period which is dubious as the real "jazz" was provided by TOP musicians . And as poet she has produced a few good titles and not more . . . Bob has a Nobel!
As a troubadour poet, Dylan is incomparable. His chronicle of much more than one generation (and to my life personally) well deserved the big prize, just imagine what he might have done if he could sing. It was generous of David to compare Joni to Dylan so favorably, but they are two very different major singer-songwriters - they deserve to be praised on their own terms. The comparison is much less interesting than both of them are, individually.
CSYN were way better than her, I never bought anything by her and avoided listening to her stuff.
You know what he can do with that Nobel! Bob was good, in his early days, and then, so-so. How many top albums did Joni have? She was great, until she lost it in jazz.
The music...the voice...the art...the uncopyable unique one of a kind style...what a gal...🖖
Thank you! Ralph, That was a wonderful and interesting time to be alive to experience the talent that made us dream. Many thankfully are still with us, many still working to keep that flame alive from the spirit of the late 60s and early 70s. 8 track tapes, vinyl records, AM radio, Wolf Man Jack screaming with "50, 000 Watts of Boss Soul Power" with his power tower just over the border in Mexico to escape the clutches of the FCC. It was awesome! Thanks again for the story, it was a fun story. A lot better than the TV I have grown to detest.
There is tons of good new classic rock bands now and it never left. The clueless corporate media is what got too big and clueless..Great bands now. Check out Ally Venable, Danielle Nicole, Samantha Fish, Davy Knowles, Amanda Fish. Us young folks got to rock!
Just a small correction. If they, CSN &Y, had first played together at Woodstock in July of 1969, their audience would have been (contented) milk cows. Woodstock's Music and Art Fair was in mid Aug. of 1969.
Trivia Alert: The Woodstock Festival - (where Crosby Stills Nash and Young debuted) was in August of '69, not July
I think the way she did this was done in good taste, if there is such a thing when it comes to something like this. Kudos to her.
On another note, I actually had the pleasure of meeting Joni Mitchell. She was very kind and tipped me well in the restaurant that I was working in at the time. A beautiful lady, she is.
Laura Nyro is the greatest artist in contemporary music in the truest sense of the word, and is probably its most influential songwriter. The depth, intensity, soul, complexity, innovation, and risk taking of her singing and songwriting 1967-70 is unparalleled by an individual. Her 1969 album, New York Tendaberry is the artistic pinnacle of modern songwriting. Nyro " probably influenced more successful songwriters than anyone " Elton John, 2007. See TH-cam for the great Narada Michael Walden discuss Laura and Joni. See other Nyro discussions by Todd Rundgren Alice Cooper, Elton John. Nyro is the only influence Joni ever acknowledged, and Nyro's song Captain for Dark Mornings (1969) is in Joni's top 10, and an obvious influence on Wuthering Heights. The recent mega hit Drivers Licence by Olivia Rodrigo is based on Nyro's You Don't Love Me When I Cry (1969).
Absolutely right about Laura Nyro! She’s unparalleled both in her brilliant songwriting and her incredible voice.
Completely under-rated genius.
100% correct
Superb comment and absolutely right.
@@bonnacon1610 Cheers.
She's a genius. As a person, something much less, not a nice person. Read the biography.
You put a dress on and try half of what she does! She got tossed around like a rag doll. You'd get a mean streak too after being treated like seconds. Men in the music industry are like a pack of dogs.
Its alway good to hear, that someone has put the story correctly and not the fake crap we see power days, thanks FB
She was even kind enough, at her own expense to allow him to perform at her concerts in 2017.
Rip David. It’s going to take me a long time to get over this , if I ever do .
Really interesting. A pity these beautiful people are gone forever. Some of them are still there but they are absent in a way they were then.
Blessing to the world. RIP David. We will always be grateful to God for you.
Good video, and accurate. I've never been the biggest Crosby fan but his interview with Stern was hilarious, and his feelings about Joni, in spite of the fact that they no longer got along before Crosby died, are admirable. I gained new respect for Crosby from watching this video, and you gained a new subscriber.
I know nothing about that era but when I saw David's interview on starz and his brutal honesty it gripped me and I sat down and watched the 2 hour doc. ON EVEN LISTENED TO SOME OF HIS MUSIC, FABU.
@@vfree4579 Cool. I'll have to check that out. Thanks for the heads-up. 👍
I’ve never been a fan of Crosby…and that has never changed. Just because he occasionally break from his shitty treatment of decent people, it didn’t break my disdain. I can separate shitty people from their great music so it doesn’t change my appreciation of it.
Music for me is like THE Time Machine. Not just "a" time machine. I'm just now 64 and though a kid in that era, I was well aware of all that went on since I was born & raised in LA. I am divided anymore as to climbing in to The Time Machine. I've done it so much over the years, but have seen the passing of so many now, and have so many memories of my own, created in those same years. I often find myself just wanting to forget it all. But don't want to either. And I think after we who were there, who keep it all alive within us, when we're gone, so will most of the memories and interest in them, be gone. Perhaps that's just as it should be? I don't honestly know. But I do know for whatever time I have left, thank God for it all. And RIP David Crosby. God bless us all.
At an Indian rug sale in Santa Fe at 8 am, in a parking lot I was flipping through rugs like pages of a book, one struck out as really great, pulled on it and on the other side was Joni Mitchell, puling on it from the long side. It was the day of the Harmonic convergence in August 1987... Harmonic Convergence ! I shouted. Her husband, Larry Klein said, "you're kind'a freakin Joni out". She looked at him with puzzled look.. I blurted out, of course you can have this rug if you want it...She walked past the pile and smiled at me, 'it's too expensive." Turned back, smiled and said, "happy converging." " And I've met an Earth Goddess today". She was really laughing then.
Loved that Joni story!
My wealth is not measured by money but by my music library which has them all. So grateful to have lived through that era. Their music more than enriched, it saved my life.
Me too. Good point😮
So glad to have found your channel🔥
The photo at the 00:14 mark is priceless. Bonnie Raitt, Maria Muldaur, and Linda Ronstadt. Classic.
thanks I thought that was Maria.
0:15 Bonnie Raitt, Maria Muldaur, and Linda Ronstadt?
as writers??? what???
So good to hear about life and the past so much music it's great to hear
Joni - probably the greatest female singer-songwriter in history. Joni - a self-centred artist, whose art was more important than her partners.
I think there are much more artists like her than we think. Especially when they're romantically involved with non celebrities.
And her partners were into themselves so what?
Wrong info and misleading headline. “ Most brutal way “ -- umm , how . . By singing a song ? ? I have 10 other breakup stories that totally blind this . Clickbait.
He simply trying to inform us. Relax.
@@Thatsbannanas-d8c I am relaxed . Go have your glass of warm milk 🥛
I was a little kid and didn't think much about the times and music of the late sixties and early seventies, but I miss the hell out of them now. Especially my first cannibus experience with my 8th grade buddies