Ok so for the uphill dirt test there are some things that SCS needs to work on. There will be a big difference between an empty trailer and a loaded trailer. It all has something to do with axle weights. An 8x6 with an empty trailer will perform worse than a 4x2 with an empty trailer because there is less weight in each axle, if one axle starts slipping on the 8x6, the rest will follow because its losing momentum. Load it up and the 8x6 can use all his axles in the right way because there's more pressure on each axle. This is one of the many reasons a lot of company's have liftable axles.
But the 4x2 will experience a torque around the powered axle because of the trailer drag. The 6x4 with diff lock will have its rear axle pushed hard into the ground. Am I wrong? Also, liftable axis aren't powered.
@@herzglass yes liftable axles are not powered however due to the location of the 5th wheel which can be adjusted on some trucks if neccessary the 5th wheel is typically almost perfectly in the middle of the drive axles or in the tri axle right on the middle axle / slightly forward to keep weight on the front steer axle which results in almost equal weights on both axles especially in trucks with walking beam suspension and other such heavy duty suspensions which pivot both axles equally unlike air bags in which they float independitly. so on a airbag truck which would never see this type of situation yes the rear axle could see more weight but in a heavy duty truck like a dump truck or heavy haul truck no the weight would be near equal on both drive axles.
I also really wish they would simulate chassis twist better. The Cascadia in real life has huge amounts of torque twist in lower gears. The Kenworth's I've driven felt a bit more stable with less body roll. But the trucks are definitely too rigid in ATS and ETS. Accelerating at wide open throttle in the game you should see the cab rocking back and forth more between shifting, at least in the lower gears when you're getting the most torque.
In ETS 2 1.4 we can see 4x2 truck jumping when tries to pull 25+ tons by flat road. Contact area is too small for this task. In this video we can see the same: 8x6 has triple contact area + 4 tons extra weight, 6x4 has double contact area + 2 tons extra weight, 4x2 has smallest contact area, length and weight.
The empty trailer is only for better contact with surface. 650 HP / 8 tons = 81.25 HP per ton. Usual car have 100 HP / 1 ton = 100 HP per ton. A truck accelerates and decelerates slower usually.
with the new 8x4 midlift, you get quite a bit of most worlds except shorter turn radius it allows me to get 6 MPG on a 300 gallon tank with heavy hauling as a lucrative option and run almost all loads on just one tank of fuel. coos bay to fort worth is the only one that requires a refuel right now and getting this amazing 1800 mile range is legendary.
@@StudioDaVeed In ATS it really isn't. In ETS there is a difference a for example ability to keep traction on water makes a huge diference on each tire. ;-)
i advise people to watch this video and think of when you see a tractor trailer trying to pull out (give them room) got to think of your serounding's and others around you i seen truckers get hurt by those that dont pay attention so keep in mind they cant turn as good as you can so please give them room :)
i like the ideal of this test and the map is great however i might want to make 1 suggestion.... try using the same truck manufacturer like mack they have all 3 chassis on one truck and would be a better teset since the first truck you have is definatley light then the w900 is so me personally i cant look at that as a propper test, Other wise i think the video is pretty cool!
Tarmac hill test looks right. The only difference was truck mass vs distance. Coefficient of friction doesn’t care about the number of wheels. - Turning circle is a lot less simple. With 10 ton per rear axel the 4x2 will be the same radius all the time. The 6x4 will really try to go in a strait line and the Oshkosh tri-drive is so bad it is 8x8x4 with a rear steer axel. - As a side note a double drive with a lot of weight behind it up a steep incline will lift the front axel of the road and then it doesn’t steer at all :o)
@@YungRolex its an automated manual transmission (still a pure automatic for me). It chooses the best gear to start in based on a whole load of factors. If you wanna start in a lower gear; play the game with the manual transmission setting.
@@SouthEastTrainspotter me 2.and I like ets2 better as well.it's a more realistic drive.the only thing you don't get is when you bin in a truck for 2 days and nights when you get back in a car it feels like a go kart.
Cool video.... would be interesting to see stopping potential, and maybe a "moose" test (quick manure test with a higher centre of gravity, and heavy load to see which is more likely to tip over)
It would be more interesting testing a truck which has all chassis options and something along the line of 400-500 bhp. To my mind comes the Mack Anthem which I believe has all chassis options.
The turning radius test isn't exactly fair because the T680 is a set back front axle configuration where the W900 is a set forward front axle. Both truck with the same rear axle configuration the T680 would still turn tighter
@@sambosomethin7844 he cheated the 8x6 up the asphalt hill using the handbreak bug, basically when you apply the handbreak and full throttle away but the truck doesnt move because its on a hill ect it keeps randomly jumping forward like seen in this video
It doesn't work to have 3 axles pulling if the weight is divided between them, you need to have weight on them to make a difference, the weight makes pulling better
Good video but I still don't know if I like the tradeoff between my 8x6's monster traction vs the maneuverability of a 6x4 =/ The 8x6 has made me have to give up on a few parking jobs, because I just am not skilled enough to really weasel it into extremely tight situations (at least in so far as the stock game has to offer).
@PC_Modder Nothing to do with digging in, that's just a side effect in real life making things even worse. Just pointing out the physics do not match with real life, a truck would move backwards with that slope and spinning tires. It needs all the traction it can get to move forward, but with an empty trailer you have no axle pressure to help generate that traction. Which is simulated in the game by the way, an empty truck will have slipping tires on wet roads whereas a loaded one won't.
Ok so for the uphill dirt test there are some things that SCS needs to work on. There will be a big difference between an empty trailer and a loaded trailer. It all has something to do with axle weights. An 8x6 with an empty trailer will perform worse than a 4x2 with an empty trailer because there is less weight in each axle, if one axle starts slipping on the 8x6, the rest will follow because its losing momentum. Load it up and the 8x6 can use all his axles in the right way because there's more pressure on each axle. This is one of the many reasons a lot of company's have liftable axles.
But the 4x2 will experience a torque around the powered axle because of the trailer drag. The 6x4 with diff lock will have its rear axle pushed hard into the ground. Am I wrong?
Also, liftable axis aren't powered.
@@herzglass yes liftable axles are not powered however due to the location of the 5th wheel which can be adjusted on some trucks if neccessary the 5th wheel is typically almost perfectly in the middle of the drive axles or in the tri axle right on the middle axle / slightly forward to keep weight on the front steer axle which results in almost equal weights on both axles especially in trucks with walking beam suspension and other such heavy duty suspensions which pivot both axles equally unlike air bags in which they float independitly. so on a airbag truck which would never see this type of situation yes the rear axle could see more weight but in a heavy duty truck like a dump truck or heavy haul truck no the weight would be near equal on both drive axles.
@@21babydew Thank you for your elaboration.
It's beyond doubt the physics in the game need some tweeking.
Nice testing map btw!
Where can I find it?
Mod websites i guess
The 8x6 with the one axle trailer is so overkill and I love it.
Professional powerlifter transporting empty bag better than school-boy)))
'Yeah just put the first 6 pallets in sideways double-double-double and single-double-single the rest of the way back'
1:30 I think this gate is taken from an older SCS game called Trucks&Trailers.
Someone have tested in ETS2 that automatic transmission is not good at hill climbing.
//edit: wrong reply. lol
@@pqhkr2002 hmmm maybe this sometime my truck suddenly stuck ..is it bug?
@@faydulaksono Maybe.
I thought it was from the secret track in Arizona?
@@Bremend yes, you thought right xd
It doesn't matter how many wheels you have, SCS have a lot of work to do with grip, traction and downhill inertia, physics need to be improved
Yea they need to transfer the game to a new engine even if that takes years, it will be worth it
yes cos driving a truck and load weighing 34 tonnes up a 45% incline happens in the real world. /sarcasm
Agreed
I also really wish they would simulate chassis twist better. The Cascadia in real life has huge amounts of torque twist in lower gears. The Kenworth's I've driven felt a bit more stable with less body roll. But the trucks are definitely too rigid in ATS and ETS. Accelerating at wide open throttle in the game you should see the cab rocking back and forth more between shifting, at least in the lower gears when you're getting the most torque.
@@Ward413 completely agree! That was what I love the most about driving trucks in real life, feeling the torque twisting and squatting the cab
Would be interesting to see if the new "Heavy Duty" tires make any difference.
It's no difference, they dont have an actual stats like in ets so it's just for cosmetic/look
heavy duty tires? you mean the offroad tires right?
Great tests! Glad to see the chassis options actually do make a difference on the truck's performance. Thanks for the vid!
In ETS 2 1.4 we can see 4x2 truck jumping when tries to pull 25+ tons by flat road. Contact area is too small for this task. In this video we can see the same: 8x6 has triple contact area + 4 tons extra weight, 6x4 has double contact area + 2 tons extra weight, 4x2 has smallest contact area, length and weight.
I've barely heard of this game and I was suggested it on TH-cam. And yet I find myself watching it entirely. Nice job editing!
When a loaded truck is faster than your car at a 0-100
lmao
The empty trailer is only for better contact with surface. 650 HP / 8 tons = 81.25 HP per ton. Usual car have 100 HP / 1 ton = 100 HP per ton. A truck accelerates and decelerates slower usually.
with the new 8x4 midlift, you get quite a bit of most worlds except shorter turn radius
it allows me to get 6 MPG on a 300 gallon tank with heavy hauling as a lucrative option and run almost all loads on just one tank of fuel.
coos bay to fort worth is the only one that requires a refuel right now and getting this amazing 1800 mile range is legendary.
That moment, when a truck does a 0-60 sprint faster than your car
TGM: Compares all chassis
Me who plays v1.0.0: Interesting.
Should’ve had diff lock on the dirt traction test
Yes you did it! Kenworth w900!😄😄😄😲😲
I understand why there was another truck for the 4x2 test but the automatic transmission really sucks for uphill testing 😂.
awesome video, nice comparison
Nice Job, very cool test!
awesome video, now i can see that is really a difference between them ...thanks a lot
That's good idea. Make more videos like this!
in that last test say goodbye to the clutch
nice little video, only problem is runnin a 7spd pickup transmission, you'd get better stats with an 18 speed using the granny gears
make a tire comparasion, off-road vs normal
My understanding is there is no difference in tire manufacturer or styles modeled in.
Pure looks.
@@StudioDaVeed In ATS it really isn't. In ETS there is a difference a for example ability to keep traction on water makes a huge diference on each tire. ;-)
@@lexik223
Ok, cool...odd they build the sister sims so differently....
@@lexik223 Only tire in ATS that is different is the heavy duty tire. It has a different roll resistance and wet grip.
@@flareside259 Really? Didn't know that, thanks :-)
My simulator clutch just had a heart attack on that incline.
TY
I had looking for this kind of comparation
Why did you test it with a 7 speed?
An 18 speed would've made more sense, that's why it exists
i advise people to watch this video and think of when you see a tractor trailer trying to pull out (give them room) got to think of your serounding's and others around you i seen truckers get hurt by those that dont pay attention so keep in mind they cant turn as good as you can so please give them room :)
SCS, the best truck simulators!
the 8x6 had more potential uphill. Impressive
Well, technically it's a fully AWD cart with just a pair of steer non-drive wheels))
Great video man. Thanks
Great video TGM :)
You should test it with Volvo. It has 8x6, 6x4, 4x2.
Volvo has 8x4 not 8x6
@@fabyanraiferlangga5978 ok.
in the traction test 8x6 didnt have enough torque so it could go even further :) id like to see some cornering tests between these trucks
Very interesting. Great video.
Incredible video!
you should test with 18 gears transmission
Someone have tested in ETS2 that automatic transmission is not good at hill climbing.
Great presentation!
i like the ideal of this test and the map is great however i might want to make 1 suggestion.... try using the same truck manufacturer like mack they have all 3 chassis on one truck and would be a better teset since the first truck you have is definatley light then the w900 is so me personally i cant look at that as a propper test, Other wise i think the video is pretty cool!
Tarmac hill test looks right. The only difference was truck mass vs distance. Coefficient of friction doesn’t care about the number of wheels. - Turning circle is a lot less simple. With 10 ton per rear axel the 4x2 will be the same radius all the time. The 6x4 will really try to go in a strait line and the Oshkosh tri-drive is so bad it is 8x8x4 with a rear steer axel. - As a side note a double drive with a lot of weight behind it up a steep incline will lift the front axel of the road and then it doesn’t steer at all :o)
when u fail to lock the dif on dirt roads lol
Good job 👌
very cool your video! would pass the link to download this map?
Played for years. Should not like it. But... I love this game.
This vid made me love it more... no idea why, on both counts 🤣
Why did the 6*4 start in 2nd gear?
No reason to start in lower gears if you can handle higher gear starts.
@@YungRolex its an automated manual transmission (still a pure automatic for me). It chooses the best gear to start in based on a whole load of factors. If you wanna start in a lower gear; play the game with the manual transmission setting.
Awesome!
Poor ETS2!😭
@Herr Hoffmann Hey, What's Your Favourite New Update For 1.41?🤔
@Herr Hoffmann And I Love Drivers/Trucks/Trailers Visible On The Road With CB Radio And Real Sound Motor Engine Trucks With Update Turbo Sound.
@Herr Hoffmann ets2 pisses all over ats.
@@winfield347 Yes but both games are good i own both i like ets2 more
@@SouthEastTrainspotter me 2.and I like ets2 better as well.it's a more realistic drive.the only thing you don't get is when you bin in a truck for 2 days and nights when you get back in a car it feels like a go kart.
Cool video.... would be interesting to see stopping potential, and maybe a "moose" test (quick manure test with a higher centre of gravity, and heavy load to see which is more likely to tip over)
Would be nice to do a turning radius video with the HCT Trailer versions in ETS 2.
i can smell the clutch from here
NIce testing
i like all of them
Every time a video comes up on this game I wish had a PC that could handle it. My laptop can barely run it on the lowest graphics.
test track download?
Great video here
awesome. thx
How do you get the camera to stay still when the truck turns at 5:50?
Developer mode
@@dukeninja7481 In the Developer Console? Do you know the command for it?
@@LooZoo I think hes using the freecam by 0
I don't think so because the truck stays in the center
@@LooZoo hes just using the controls to keep it in centre, look carefully its not perfect
Where the differentials locked on the 6x4 chassis?
Also Auto and manual make a big difference; and dont forget the driver
Sorry but SCS has some work to do
nice video
спасибо! более чем наглядный тест
Nice
It would be more interesting testing a truck which has all chassis options and something along the line of 400-500 bhp. To my mind comes the Mack Anthem which I believe has all chassis options.
Perfect 🤩
where can i find the map?
The traction test was not traction but power. If you used a proper transmission you would have gone further with all of them.
Haha cool. Need 2 test 8x6 soon. Been driving 8x4 many days. Hahahaha.
perfect!
The more wheels, the less weight per axle.
4x2 is best if you don't really carry loads.
The turning radius test isn't exactly fair because the T680 is a set back front axle configuration where the W900 is a set forward front axle. Both truck with the same rear axle configuration the T680 would still turn tighter
how do you get this map or maps? the straightaway and hills look fun to play with.
This is a custom map i made for testing
To honest I forget 4x2 excited I never see it in ATS
8x6 may not be the fastest or most maneuverable, but it'll get you up a mountain.
so would the 6x4 or 4x2. Mountains arent that steep
@@sambosomethin7844 he cheated the 8x6 up the asphalt hill using the handbreak bug, basically when you apply the handbreak and full throttle away but the truck doesnt move because its on a hill ect it keeps randomly jumping forward like seen in this video
I know the chassis are good but both Peterbilt and Kenworth need their C 15 Caterpillar 720 motor
It doesn't work to have 3 axles pulling if the weight is divided between them, you need to have weight on them to make a difference, the weight makes pulling better
Nice videos man! By the way, I don't like the way the engines sounds, so what are the best mods for sound?
another comment for re-doing the test using an 18 speed for the hill climbs and locking in 1 gear instead of shifting
Good morning . Where is this road to test my trucks please.cdlt
you've used wrong transmission, btw irl its impossible for Allison to handle 600hp engine anyways.
Ooo 8x6 is slower. Surprised.. This wouldve been a nice update for the logging dlc
guess why... it's heavier lol.
4x2 Kenworth w900 that I vote
...was these trucks full stock??
What map are you using
The volvo vnl have all chassis type
Correct, but only 8x4 no 8x6
@@TGMStefa its true..
Darn I wanted an 8x6 for the Volvo :c
Awesome!
Canwe get this for ETS2 also?
Now we just need a testing map for ets2 that works with the new 1.40 update...
😆 A tridem doesn't look right pulling a 28 foot pup trailer. I hope you also locked your power dividers when you did the dirt road hill climb.
Where is this track located
It helps to turn if u lift u the axle
Good video but I still don't know if I like the tradeoff between my 8x6's monster traction vs the maneuverability of a 6x4 =/ The 8x6 has made me have to give up on a few parking jobs, because I just am not skilled enough to really weasel it into extremely tight situations (at least in so far as the stock game has to offer).
You should have tested 6x2 too. it has tighter cornering than 6x4, because the pushing axle is closer to the front axle.
I know four by two trucks are actually the best in ATS
hey tgm, we can download the map?
I apologize for my ignorance, but 6x4 means 6 wheels 4 drive wheels (rear e middle wheels)?
Correct
What grapics card?
How do I download this map for or Euro truck simulator?
where can i get these mods?
But did you use diff lock?
Yes i did in uphill test
@@TGMStefa awesome great video man thanks for reply
Am I the only one that didn't know an 8x6 existed in game
It was just released recently
In real life, the truck would stop going uphill as soon as the tires start spinning.
@PC_Modder Nothing to do with digging in, that's just a side effect in real life making things even worse. Just pointing out the physics do not match with real life, a truck would move backwards with that slope and spinning tires. It needs all the traction it can get to move forward, but with an empty trailer you have no axle pressure to help generate that traction. Which is simulated in the game by the way, an empty truck will have slipping tires on wet roads whereas a loaded one won't.
where can i get this map
Should use VOLVO VML because it have all configurations
It doesn't have 8x6,only 8x4 midlift
They need to rework the t680 and 579