that shows that the pacing is BAD not that it needed more the reason is cause so much is wasted on the pretentiousness of the pointless episodes like any episode on Annette or the vamp boy that simps for her taking up actual time hence nothing actually happened this season that couldn't be skipped
@@kaiber0390It didn't though. It was good and fun, sure, but there's plenty of points in it where things sorta just...happen? Like when they fall through the ground into Alucard's crypt.
but...annette's whole arc was that she was wrong about richter being a coward? yeah she called him useless but immediately after her ancestors and mentor say otherwise and she blames herself more for her friend getting caught then richter. in fact she's even sorry to richter near for what she thought pf him.
Which is cool, but took way too much time like her backstory. In episode 2, we have to sit through almost 15mins of her backstory! We only got like 5mins for Richter and Tera. This is ridiculous
@@makzer8770 he still got the two best fights in the show and they had to establish this new versions backstory now to better establish themes and her character also you'd get complaints about her having no back story for a whole season. it's not just richter's story we're follow a trio here. we're getting a season 2. there will be time for richter to shine.
Didn't know there was hate. That was a great show. Annette escaping was amezingly done. Kids these days need to hate to feel validated and cool. Me i can't wait for next season.
I agree I was surprised that this show was considered very woke. I know fan of shows that have suffered from that type of writing but this show was the furthest from that point it's true they did add a new character but I never felt that they gave her too many Mary Sue moments because they actually gave her just enough screen time and character development to Showcase that she's not always right and that she's just as flawed as the other characters. Meanwhile for Richter I feel like displayed Great Character Arc when it came down to him facing his trauma especially when he got his powers back. The only thing I would have appreciated more out of the series is if the grandfather would have had more screen time or even joined Richter in his Crusade
It was bad compared to the first. Storyline was everywhere, they completely made up a character (which is cool) gave her all kinds of crazy god powers (also cool) made her a black slave who escaped (still cool) beat us over the head with her backstory, made her unlikeable, then gave her the name of Rickters love interest and throw in a random scene where they are just blushing at each other…all of this storyline trash to have Allucard be the one who saves the day because everyone else fails.
Sure, I think Nocturne gets more hate than it deserves, but I think the points are blown out of proportion, not wrong. There’s a lot of poor execution and writing. Just one example, Annette’s former slave-master. He’s the initial motivator for her anger and hate towards vampires, and that hate even leads to her friend dying. The resolution for this was just Annette coincidentally finding him 30 ft away while she was doing something completely different, and the fight only amounts to her almost instantly trapping and killing him.
They had to resolve her character arc quickly so that they could develop her and Richter's romance. See how quickly they reconciled after he came back? From now on it's easy sailing.
@@williampearson6299 I don't think it's that they "reconciled" but that there wasn't time to have a proper one given the urgency of their situation. I feel like it'll definitely come up again as a sore spot, and leaves a lot of ground to cover for further character/relationship development. Annette's lack of personal accountability and lack of external awareness makes sense because of her hyper-fixation on vengeance and retaliation - who wouldn't be in the same position? I definitely agree with how quickly the conflict with Annette vs her former SM seems to have been "resolved" - but it holds a lot more water if you look at it through the lens of the SM as merely a component of the system she's trying to deconstruct and revolutionize. Given Netflix's history with cancellations, I can understand the strange pacing via writing and production constraints/limitations. Especially when you re-visit Castlevania S1 which only had 4 episodes, and establishing that series had significantly less factors to consider in terms of character development and the antagonist plots that it set up. The original series set up C:N with a lot of ground to cover which, what I feel, does leave the viewer unsatisfied - but I think that's a good thing! If you're able to sit through the entire series with interest, and still have the capacity to point out issues or conflicts with it - then I believe it did a good job of leaving the audience wanting more. Initially, I was not under the impression I had written out immediately after finishing C:N S1 - but it did leave me with a LOT to think about and theorize upon.
@@williampearson6299 Tbh if it was written better, that conflict would be something that both people could learn from it. Pretty much any well written couple has external forces that they have to deal with and how they support each other is what should make their bond stronger.
@@aden9160 Where does everyone get a degree in Psychology when it comes to Annette? Seems like they're projecting based on stereotypes. They're not a couple yet. We still need to get to know Annette and Annette is plenty accountable - she's a child raised a slave trying to fight demons. Is she an expert at love and relationships? She's more well adjusted than modern people who can't crawl out of their basement for a live date. And I think we are all a bit careful when it comes to characters like her, she has no room to have flaws like everyone else. From what I've seen of black female characters: Star Trek's Uhura (1960's), New Generation's Guinan (1988), Deep Space Nine's Kassidy Yates (1995), Discovery's Michael Burnham (2017). No one treated them kindly at first. Nerds will gush over Uhura today but Nichelle Nichols got death threats at the time. Annette is a long term strategy. She's not gonna be appreciated by fans now but 30 years down the line, they'll reframe the narrative.
I gave the show a chance but the writing was was giving me a headache. Like that scene when Belmont wanted to make a plan and they all called him a child and a coward made my head hurt so bad😂 Especially since they just got their friend killed in the previous mission you would think a plan would be a good idea next time around.
i allso wish they focused more on the characters then the fight scenes. Don't get me wrong. The fight scenes are cool but There was hardly any time to breathe in between them if felt like characters would talk for 2 minutes, and then there'd be another fight scene.
@@AverageG50 no he wasn't scared until the vampire that killed his mom showed up. Plus that would be dumb foreshadowing. in what world would making a plan be a bad idea?
It doesn't deserve the hate, but it does deserve to be critiqued. A lot of people nowadays are incapable of meeting in the middle. It's either HATE or LOVE something.
yes it deserves critique but alot of so called critque i try to watch amounts to hate..unfortunately..I totally agree with you by the way I just feel like alot of critique videos are made in bad faith..Honestly, the first "critique" i hear is race swap, gayness or whatever...you already lost me
Yeah, While I due agree Annette may have been what caused a lot of this fandom outrage, it wasn’t necessarily because of her character! It was due to the pacing of the show. Giving at least one more episode before she killed her Vampire could’ve given her time to reflect and breathe while Juste helped Richter with learning/ Coupjng with his trauma.
Annette is a symptom of a modern issue that's been going on for the last decade. What I hated about Richter is that he had a panic attack and left his friends to die. That's not what Belmonts do. The setting, the characters. They are far different than the lore.
Her character could have been named Shadynasty and no one would have cared. They gave her the name of Rickters love interest, beat us over the head with her backstory, showed her getting her friend killed, gave her her vengeance against the slave guy that we didn’t know existed until 30 minutes before, all to have her accomplish nothing else and need to be saved like the rest by Allucard.
I've had so much fun with this show and it's themes. My biggest gripe Pacing-wise would have been resolved if they had swapped episode 2 and 3, but other than that, I had a blast I'm very much looking forward to season two and where it goes from here.
It has a pacing problem, but so did the previous series, yet we still loved it. I also think the changes to the source material is a welcome one. It added more substance to the simple "man saves girl from vampire" and it honestly gave vlad a break. And for those saying that the creators of the show hate the source material, I'd say it was inevitable that big changes were going to happen anyway. With how the last show ended, all the changes they made for that one is gonna have lasting effects on any new castlevania series they make. I'm just glad that nocturne is still as good as it is.
Exactly. Not to get all comparative, but my biggest problem with The Last of Us was that it kept so closely to the source material, to the point of copying whole scenes, even when the context of the show didn't support it. And the performances fell into this weird uncanny valley of trying to copy another actor's performance. That wouldn't be as big an issue in Castlevania, but the point is that it's an adaptation with its own story and context. Dracula's arc is done, and he's moved on. Dragging him back would be insulting to the audience and to the previous show. Changes to characters is inevitable because, well, the SNES and PS2 weren't beacons of quality writing. Don't get me wrong, characters served their purpose, and I loved a lot of PS2 games, but modern TV is a different bar to clear.
@@jawadakram3936 Can't speak for them, but maybe they played it at some point and it left an impression. Doesn't seem like it'd tie into any current major Castlevania releases or trends, so it seems unlikely that it's a promotional thing. It genuinely just seems like someone liked the series, wrote some fanfic, and it got published and hit it big. Which happens more often than you'd think. The Witcher games, for example.
It absolutely deserves to be called out for its issues. The fact that Richter is shoved into the background of his own show for six episodes to develop the backstory of another character is just absurd. There are 8 episodes, and five of those are dedicated to Annette's background. And there's more screen time for Edouard's singing than there is development of Richter or Maria's characters. It's a massive issue of pacing, as the events that are tied to the central conflict are ground to a halt for over half, maybe 2/3 the runtime. From a writing perspective, that's just poor form. Gorgeous show with some impressive action, fantastic voice acting. But this should have been a spinoff or have these backstories interspersed throughout a second season, not dominate the introduction to the story of the Belmont widely considered to be the favourite amongst fans. It's very out of touch.
The pacing is absolutely my big problem so far(followed by “still needs more Castlevania music” but that’s on Konami apparently). Just giving the plot and characters some time to breathe would have helped a lot. Honestly it was quite more nuanced than I was expecting too. And while I still don’t really dig how much of Castlevania’s wild menagerie is flattened into the Night Creatures thing I am intrigued by the rebellion taking place with Edouard. (actually the biggest problem is that Juste doesn’t have a blue outline and the music quality doesn’t turn crunchy as hell whenever he’s onscreen and also his shack isn’t an eyebleedingly oversaturated eyesore SO MUCH FOR ACCURATE ADAPTATIONS)
Okay I want to make a minor correction here, before I finish this video; Annette didn't exactly blame Richter for her friend's death. Sure, she took her anger and grief out on him, but again Annette blamed herself. (Okay going to spoiler territory here, so you have been warned) Annette did accuse him of being a coward, but can you really blame Richter of being traumatized after what happened to his mother?
Yeah at no point did Annette blame Richter for her friend's death. She did blame him for running away and called him a coward. It wasn't spelled out but I think she was just projecting her own faults onto Richter at that point. Both of them had major trauma in their lives and was suddenly out of the blue confronted with their personal demons. They both failed in dealing with their demons but in different ways.
I can't blame Richter for being traumatized, but I can also understand why Annette wouldn't exactly be sympathetic about it. She had to watch a vampire kill her mother in front of her too, but she didn't get to run away afterwards and take a boat back to France where she had an adoptive family waiting. She had to get up the next morning to work on the plantation run by her mother's killer, at least until she escaped and trained to hunt down him down in revenge. After going through all that, of course she's going to look at Richter running away screaming from his mother's killer the instant he appears, which also happens to ruin her rescue/mercy killing plan by the way, and think he's a coward. Not saying it's right, but it is understandable.
I usually dont like changes to source material but that is when the source material is detailed and developed. Castlevania games work without a complex lore. The first Castlevania series is its own thing and I loved it. I love nocturne as well because I think it is a very cool story
I don’t even care about the game lore, Isaac was a great character in the first show but Nocturne was really dissapointing. Saying only hardcore fans or racists dislike it is ignoring its terrible writing, pacing, dialogue and sometimes even common sense. How is Annette calling Richter useless (tbh he really is portrayed as such during this season) when she was gonna kill her friend instead of freeing him and then just leaves? He’s in a metal cage and she’s a metalbender for crying out loud 🤦🏻
Annettes ' motivation was to correct her mistake of letting her (very literal) only friend die. He gave her the choice of freedom, when he was human and she wanted to do the same. When she got there, she realized that killing him wasn't actually what he wanted, and it wasn't seen as freedom to him to be dead instead of his once human self. At least, that's what I got from it
I agree with your points. I feel people are just hating this show for raceswaps, gay vampires, when in fact the show is much more than just that. Annette and Olrox were none character in the game and in this show they get more of a unique personal story. There is a lot they can go with the characters obviously they had this in mind when they developed the show. Ricther is much younger than Trevor so he can grow a lot just like all other characters. And people say he wasn´t a badass come on! Did you see the last episode? Its just him being OP. So I am generally just sad people can appreciate when a show tries to be more than just a simple source material. I feel like people want to see Dracula be the main antagonist in every season and series, it would be so dull and repetitive. Give the show a chance folks! Otherwise we will just continue to get the same repetitive stuff.
@@yinyanimations151 he suprassed his childhood trauma after realising that otherwise his friends would die and he would end up like Juste. Sad and lonely
I hate it because of the flase promises of nocture being rondo of blood and SotN in anime but were is shaft as main villain, were is death and heavy references to chaos entity whom avatar dracula is and were is dracula as chaos will would influence him...... Show with name castlevania and those claims 8/10 with those 3/10 and if you haven't completed 10 castlevania games your oppinion doesn't matter.
@@yinyanimations151 He realised where his strength came from: Fraternity. Hence the headband. If you look, all 3 of the main character trio represent liberty, egality and fraternity.
@@johannessimola1615It's a continuation of the previous show. Dracula's arc is done, and bringing him back would be like bringing Palpatine back. These aren't the games, they're an adaptation.
My only major critique with the show is that I wish there was more of it. I wish season 1 has a couple more episodes to round it out and I wish season 2 was here already!
I didn't like the first 4 episodes, I pushed on through and actually ended up enjoying it. It was a little cheesy and extra, especially that one episode freak out Richter had, which felt forced to get to the power up moment. The general story changes and padding work imo. The revolutionary narrative is a little desperate and Saturday morning cartoonish, but it doesn't seem to be the core focus after episode 4. I kind of wish Richter fought Drolta - but the Alucard ex Machina was a serviceable entrance for that character. I'm interested to see where they're going with this whole Sekmet horcrux thing. What they did with Olrox is great - Although wild that they had the audacity to make an Aztec god get willingly butt fucked by a Spanish crusader, but don't think to hard about the history of it I guess. 😂 Overall I'm pretty excited for season 2. Maybe the writing will clean up a bit and shake off some of the early season cringe as we get into the bigger spectacle. Solid 6.5/10. Not great, but it's shounen, you can get into it if you like the vibe.
U calling castlevania shounen is like those ppl who call avatar the last airbender anime and who said mizrak was a Spanish Conquistador? I think your interpretation of the French revolution plot is super surface level and literal. Just bcuz u don't see revolution meetings on screen doesn't mean they stopped focusing on it. Clearly freedom is important theme and the show and that's the point of revolution stuff. Also Erzabeth and all her followers still want to crush the revolution so they really never stopped focusing on it😭
@@dekuquan7010 shounen is just animation for young boys. I found out Mizrak means spear in Arabic or something. I assumed since he's uber Christian he's one of those Al Andalas Moor Arabs from North Africa that settled in Spain. However, it was a joke so don't look that depe into it. 😂 I mean, if they don't show it now, how will I know they will continue to show it later it? I'm just using past behaviour to predict future behaviour. Think of this as a preliminary first reaction more than a comprehensive review of Nocturne. There's obviously lots of potential and things to explore still.
Good points. I loved this season. I was excited for Olrox - I don't care about the race swapping of various characters - the theme is revolution. Both the vampires want revolution to regain control of the world, and the humans want revolution to be free from the corrupt church and the monarchy that perpetuates poverty. The fact that most vampires are nobles bleeding the life out of the peasants is a perfect theme. These characters aren't video game characters that always achieve their goals. I like Annette giving us lore regarding magic the western approach by the Abbot industrializing the Night Creature creation while Annette's ability to manipulate metal and earth and then return those elements back to their original state is a great dichotomy. I don't understand the hate. We shouldn't get the video game for the show because that would be boring. We got a cool fight scene once per episode at minimum and got references to the video games (Olrox phantom skull attacks, Maria's familiar summoning, Richter's white headband and blue flame magic, Drolta transformed into the Succubus). They are generally following a plot that involves the characters in Rondo and Symphony but with some elements changed around for the sake of better drama and story.
the "hate" is cause its a bad show and gets CRITICISM for being mediocre, its high animation means little when the plot isn't even worth it, NOTHING happened this season at all til the end, cheap nostalgia bait of alucard and the entire politics of the show is apparent with race swapping Annette so they can shove in a pointless plot on slavery bad they think the audience isn't suppose to critique those things but they can, its not "wrong" to call it out, they Ruined Annette's character, the sister being a revolutionary isn't needed and neither is the "Church bad" messaging that's so painfully obvious agenda pushing again this plot should of been the actual one, Richter going into the castle to rescue the villagers after they've been kidnapped during that moon, including the ACTUAL Annette and running into various things in the castlevania, they didn't "flesh it out" they did the opposite
@@marcusclark1339If you dont like hearing "church bad" castlevania is the wrong series for that to begin with that shit has literally been around since season 1
@@marcusclark1339 yall really cannot take seeing slavery and white supremacy critiqued in any form ever. that was not the plot, the plot was revolution given the time period both the game and the show take place it would take more effort to pretend that slavery didnt exist then it would to acknowledge that it does and integrate it into the themes that already existed and were natural to the plot. the entire theme of all of the castlevania shows is vampires wanting to subjugate human. the doing so through slavery, monarchy and alliance with the church is the natural evolution of the plot in the OG series. they couldnt win through all out war so they used diplomacy and the flaws of mankind...seems like a solid plot to me
They had so much trash storyline that was all over the place, the main character they race swapped is suppose to be nothing more than a love interest and then made her unlikeable with crazy powers so they can be like ooo bLacK BeLmOnt can be a thing now. All this so an established character from a better written Castlevania season can swoop in and save them causing everything up until this point to be meaningless.
@@forever_noir_2155i dunno man its kinda r3tarded to make human society the same level of racist as the real works when you have literal monsters roaming around, usually that enough motive for humans to stick toguether because tribalism gets wider, it makes black people look like weakling lol
The hate on the show is definitely overblown and mostly by some questionable channels that rely on outrage bait content to get views. Nocturne S1 is mostly just setup and the beginning of the overall bigger upcoming story.
it isn't clickbait or outrage to critique a show liking it doesn't mean that its good, liking it for its animation doesn't mean it isn't mediocre which it is
@@marcusclark1339Never said it was, the videos I'm talking about are the channels that dedicate themselves to being hateful with exaggerated thumbnails.
great..we're going to judge on what it is, not what it's ''setting up''..wahhh being 'hateful', it's called negative criticism, get over it..and if someone hates the show, it's their prerogative, grow up
The series is not bad, but it's also not great either, the original Castlevania series had a great introduction for both the main antagonist and the main hero, meanwhile Nocturne's set-up is, meh, not bad but also not good. The problem is that the villains we get in Nocturne are not interesting at all, at least not at the beginning, and the season itself doesn't have many great moments or plot progression. It's essentially the season 3 of the original series, but without the Issac subplot, so there is almost nothing worthwhile in this season. I get the point about adaptations having to be different, but if that is the case then picking Richter as the protagonist for this story doesn't make sense, because his story is so videogamy, characters like Shanoa, or Johnatan and Charlotte would have made better characters to adapt to a series, but they picked Richter because he is the poster boy of Castlevania alongside Simon. This means they wanted the popularity of the character but they also wanted the freedom to do whatever the fuck they wanted with the story, this is a Red Flag, a huge one at that, it means that the writers are perfectly content with manipulating the audience and they don't care much about the original canon. As of now, this series isn't worth a watch, the story is lackluster and it's more setup for seaon 2 than anything else.
it is indeed bad, so much is wasted, ruined every character and shoved in needless plots to push their agenda look up the writer's reaction - narcissism cause they never think they're wrong cause they live in a echo chamber
because they claimed to make anime about rondo of blood and SotN.... were is shaft as main villain and references to chaos and return of death... like have you even beaten 5 castlevania games?
@@johannessimola1615 It is a reimagination. And with the ending of the first Netflixvania, they had to make a different story because the story was already heavily changed.
@@Ninjaananas Well no they didn't as reincarnations of Elizabeth are only thing keeping Dracula from acting chaoses influence and Lisa was one also We had first Castlevania confirmed Leon Belmont came to wallachia in search for Job which was tied to lament of innocence were Elizabeth died before The start and Mathias manipulated Leon so that he would Become Dracula and Leon swore he and his bloodline would hunt the night and his old friend and he came to wallachia in his hunt. As Lisa was still a human she would still die long before start of this story. And still they could have used chaos as The main villain with these game shaft being its high priest.
I loved Nocturne, I loved the French Revolution theme, and I even loved Anette's character. My only gripe (me being Hungarian) was that they consistently mispronounced Erzsebet Bathory's name. It's pronounced Er-Jai-Bet (with a soft J, like in the French name Jaques), not Er-Zeh-Bet, folks!
I just wish we had nocturne be longer. so we could REALLY get to know the characters, their struggles, their aims and goals, etc. I wanted to know MORE of everyone. it's why I love olrox. he has motivations, his story and just his personality. the way he seems so DONE with everyone around him. how he isn't blindly loyal to Erzsebeth, but actually showed uncertain to her. and then also turning against her. the way he acts, not some blood thirsty sadistic monster. he kills when needed to. but doesn't kill blindly with no remorse. he's also shown to care and to have weakness. he was scared of erzsebet and was smart enough to know, he couldn't beat her. Drolta also intrigued me, her modern sort of "dominatrix"/ succubus style of clothing and design intrigued me. she was SO different from the other vampires. and the fact she said she was a priestess of egypt, showed she's pretty old for a vampire. also, the pacing was something I had issues with. not too bad. I still enjoy it. but... some arcs felt too rushed. annette and her slave master. she beats him when on a mission she wasn't even focused on. Or Richer regaining his magic in basically 1 episode. also, I love how it's touching on how the night creatures aren't blind savage monsters. they are people. they do have souls and personalities. they show personalities, conflicts, and just feel alive. (while yes, the original series did do this. but it was nice to see more). one more thing that I love of both Castlevania stories. is that it showed vampires having emotions. they seem so human despite being monsters. they have their ranging personalities. the scene where we see a vampire woman mourning the loss of her vampire husband pulled at my heart strings a bit. Hell, Erszebet dancing with the girl was quite cute, while also not forgetting she's a monster and fully acknowledging. she's just using the girl as a bloodbag and pet. I don't like annette. now, I never played the games. so, it's not cause she was race swapped or changed. it's her personality. the way she blames others when she was at fault. She pushes out her trauma, about her slave master, yet she kinda brushed aside that richter also lost his mother to a vampire. is nocturne absolutely terrible? of course not. is it as bad as so many people keep saying? no. but is it still good and will I still watch it? hell yes.
I believe Abbot and Erzabeth will be a major key plots in each future season here. Season 2: The Dark Priest arc. Abbot’s ideals has turned warped has been fully converted as a dark servant of the night as he transforms into the Dark Priest shaft. The price for the new transformation? A virgin’s blood as he makes night creatures attack “Aljiba😂” to distract Richter thus kidnapping Annette & Maria anyways. Richter panics & searches for Juste as they plan a battle plan and a map (cue Rondo of Blood intro scene). He rescued Maria and teamed up to save Annette. After all the struggles getting to the Dark Priest’s dark church, Richter will face the Dark Priest in the end. Richter will face all the famous pop culture night creatures that he summons (Big Bat, Medusa, Mummy, and Frankenstein) & defeats him but his vengeful spirit lingers still as he said “No I won’t end it like this” (like in the Dracula X Chronicles) and performs a destructive magic around the church. Richter senses danger as he tells Maria and Annette to run as Shaft teleports Richter and posses him in the process leading to the future SOTN season. Season 3: Erzabeth arc as she sends night creatures all around the world (Bloodlines stages) to spread her cult’s influence even more as we’ll get to see other Vampire hunters like John Morris and Eric Lecarde separately battling night creatures and vampires from their jurisdictions. Meanwhile Maria is also battling night creatures as she ran in search for Alucard after being rescued saying Richter hasn’t returned from facing Shaft as they hurry on to Erzabeth’s castle but night creatures blocks their path once more. After saving some parts of the world going to the final stage the 4 heroes was led to Erzabeth’s castle. The heroes battles her and defeats her but it’s too late as she summons a hell version of Castlevania to fulfills the final battle in Bloodlines and also sets up via Dracula’s resurrection in… Season 4: Symphony of the Night as John is exhausted after using the fake cursed whip and Eric helps him & him also to return from their hometowns as Maria and Alucard continues their search for the Shaftwashed Richter. Death appears once more to take Alucard’s sword. The succubus’s sister tricks Alucard by warping the events of Lisa’s burning while telling him lies about the cruelty of humanity. Alucard knows it’s not real as he tries to call his sword and stabs the succubus and he’s snaps back to reality. Finally Alucard and Maria found a Richter but he wasn’t himself as they fight him but Maria tells Alucard she senses something behind Richter try to aim your sword there as they vanish Shaft’s ghost but his malice knows no bound as the castle’s was affected by shaft’s desire for blood lust and desire for true power as the castle becomes inverted as if going to hell itself to find the broken soul of Dracula. The castle is a creature of hell and together with shaft’s magic and lingering malice it controls the spirit of Dracula to remember the cruelty of humanity to confront 3 heroes. Idk let’s see how Netflix will save this bloated show but those key points I said with each season should practically save the show without all the bloat inclusion BS and Agenda backstories. Extra: As for Eduardo as he is a Devil which gives a lot of EXP in the games he will give his life happily to Richter in extension of his feelings to Annette this powering up Richter in the Final Stage: Bloodlines
@@krystofthepolishguytalksan310 I agree with you as our friend has brilliantly figured out how to actually turn the anime to the game plots without ruining either... that is genius as you say
my guy, you should make this a script and ask Konami if they like it too as you figured out just how to turn the anime into a true blend of the game plots and events and still keep on the thread they started. With IGA now in his own company, Konami should hire you to write the next Castlevania game, seriously you got a talent
Thanks for providing a better take on the series. Till now, I have mostly seen negative takes on the series, which are all complaining using the same mute points. For me, I believe the anger is less about the narrative being told, as the first castlevania series also deviated a lot. Rather, I think people are getting triggered by seing homoerotic and non-white stories as centerpieces to the story. Isaac from the first series, who was also raceswapped from a castlevania game, had a lot less controversy surrounding him, as his story could be delegated to a sidestory. Being bi-sexual and mostly into men myself, this reaction genuinly scares me. So thanks for showing me, that reasonable people exist.
I dont mind if writter took liberty to make a completely new adaptation. But the show is just bad even as a new makeover of Castlevania. The thing is Isaac is done right. He had a good writting. Annette? Not so much. They girlboss her too hard and made Richter like a side character. She's too arrogant, thinks she's always right and a Mary Sue. Hell, the whole writting is just bad. Bad pacing, bad dialogue, bad character chemistry. It has no continuity from previous Castlevania (eg; Richter who is a Belmont doesnt know what a nightcreature is? Riddiculous. The previous serious had Dracula gathering all the strongest Dracula but Erzsebet is nowhere in the prequel. Theres more but I wont flood it here). Watching it was a headache, I can only stomach till ep6.
I have to ask, in a show about vampire hunting, why do i have to sit through a lecture of Haitian slavery to get to the vampire hunting? Why do I, a black man, need to see non-white stories in a show set in white Europe, based on a game from Japan?
Yeah Wheel of Time, Rings of Power, and Willow were made by people who hate the source material, this may not be what everyone wanted it to be but it was definately made by people who understand and respect the source material. Richter has a moment of weakness so he can rise above it and only one character barades him for it and she later on grows as a charachter as well. They weren't "shitting on the one man to make the women look good" they were just giving everyone things to grow from, they were all badass as they were supposed to be though.
Part of the more negative reactions came as a result of how the previous series had a lot of added details that made it still have the source materials' feel. Meanwhile, Annette being a completely different character makes it have a similar feel to Megaman Fully Charged's Wily as "nobody would take issue if this character just had a different name". Made even more blatant because another kidnapped maiden from Rondo Of Blood, Tera, was given a closer design and role to the Annette of Dracula X Chronicles so I genuinely feel like Nocturne!Annette was given that name just because she's Richter's love interest.
@@Peasham not to this extent, given they still started out with their original motivations of stopping Dracula. Now that the background details that originally caused Dracula to be revived are instead the main focus (which is fair), the character motivations already start out very different on top of marketing screwing up before the show's even out by accidentally calling Richter Trevor's son, a detail that is true in neither continuity.
objectively not bad show has potential but doesnt get executed properly. For example Annette interesting idea what they did to her but she comes of as unlijeablw to mc also their romance doesnt feel natrual. So liberties arent bad but execution very shit. One example of the opposite one peice alot of liberties but nicely done.
i really enjoyed the show, istg people are finding things to nitpick about it as if the OG show didn't have the exact same problems w dialogue and shitty pacing.
Maybe people get the impression that the creators are ashame of the franchise because. 1 that is really common in Hollywood 2 Nocturne in particular change so much and it make even less references to the games, even if it was with monsters designs or music, but there Is barely any of that. Could be said that those changes are for the better and how the original story was paper thin, but at some point it will just feel like is a different IP with castlevania names slap on them. Like how Annette is so different to the point were why is that her name. Because is going to get with Richter? Is that the only linking tissue?
The changes are for the better. Mainstream audiences don't understand the video game lore. Gamers are a bit intense hence why Henry Cavill's Injustice Superman didn't translate very well
The show has the potential to be superior to the first for me. I loved how complicated the characters are, flaws and all. I could understand how and why the characters made the choices they would make. Even if they were mistakes. I also kept their ages in mind when watching the show. Eduard has the potential of becoming my favorite character depending on how the story unfolds.
Count Olrox (オルロック, Orurokku?, lit. "Orlok") is a boss in Castlevania: Symphony of the Night. He rules the upper part of Dracula's castle. He has two forms: a normal vampire wearing a sumptuous armored suit and a giant reptile-like humanoid who can spew fireballs. Was actually a main character of the game same with the Succubus this guy didn't do his research or play the games. an I agree.
no it hasn't as none of the main villains of rondo of the blood or SotN main villains are there and not giving chaos references which were in SotN is shit in castlevania game lore standards.
@@johannessimola1615 Wrong again Count Olrox (オルロック, Orurokku?, lit. "Orlok") is a boss in Castlevania: Symphony of the Night The Succubus is as well she Just not a white red head.
@@shadowdouglas450 a boss yeah but not being around The term major boss and reverse draculas Castle they weren't there. As such giving them any role before shaft is a joke like making a named side character a role Ps how many Castlevania games have you 100%?
@@johannessimola1615 don't care. I'll be enjoying season two. While you keep crying and thinking you're witty by copy and pasting veiled Shaft comments on as many threads you can. You can't even be original with your own thoughts.
Pretty much the anime giving dracula a happy ending with lisa screwed everything up. Annette was Richters gf and got kidnapped by Shaft, along with Maria who is supposed to be her sister. They were taken to dracula’s castle after he was brough back to life by a cult. So richter met maria too soon and in the wrong circumstances, annette is a completely rewritten and re raced character. Richter destroys dracula and saves the day, but then shaft’s ghost possesses richter 10 years later and richter goes back to draculas castle so Alucard then shows up to free him with grown Maria’s help. Then Dracula shows up after richter is freed and alucard destroys him. The anime totally did not go along with the established lore as the first castlevania did.
You do realize Annette doesn’t have a character in the game… right? And Maria isn’t Annette’s sister, in the game she was a relative of the Belmont clan which is why she can do magic, which is transferred to the show. Did you even watch the video? Or did you go straight to the coments to complain, since it sure feels like it considering he addressed these points of Dracula coming back, which worked for the games but for a long standing show not so much. Also, the games didn’t have much story in the first place till symphony honestly
@@10human7 Annette was 100% in Rondo but go ahead and defend this garbage. Drac coming back repeatedly is the whole reason the Belmont clan does what they do. Netflix Castlevania was not written for longtime fans of the games, it was written for casual anime enjoyers
@@NormalSauce57 of course it wasn't. The whole reason for animating a series is to give it a broader fan-base. Only passionprojects by smaller studios or fan-made stuff could ever get close to what you are expecting.
@@Curioushelvetic 1st netflix Castlevania largely adhered to events of the time of castlevania 3 and curse of darkness. The only thing they screwed up on was removing Grant as a character. They just did whatever they wanted with nocturne. And what they did to night creatures this go around is laughable
Agreed. I liked that they had him remember his love for his son….which made the episode “for love” have numerous layers. Later though he should’ve lost that humanity to give him a more evil villain change.
My introduction of Castlevania as a whole is through the first Castlevania series. I enjoyed the entire show (even though season 3 was really slow and kinda pointless in some places). I had no idea of the somewhat complicated lore (or lack of) from the video games. So when I saw that Nocturne would be taking place in France during the French Revolution in France, I immediately thought of Paris because, historically speaking, there would be so much death in the streets and corpses piled up, that it’d be perfect for aristocratic vampires to prey on people. I also thought that the head vampire person would be someone like Marie Antoinette or something. I was pretty disappointed that it took place in the middle of a (mostly empty) town in nowhere France. The two characters I hated the most were Édouard and Annette, not because they were race swapped or anything, but because they’re just terrible characters overall. Annette’s character should’ve been its own independent character because she has a very interesting backstory, but her interactions with Richter and the rest of the gang felt way too comfortable for someone who just got done purging an island full of rich people. Like Trevor and Alucard didn’t really trust each other until like halfway through the show, even Supra didn’t fully trust Alucard until a few episodes later. She also is very self centered. Édouard is, in my opinion, a pointless character. I really hate his singing in every episode. I think the concept of a night creature being able to resist their masters commands is interesting, but only if it was ever mentioned between the two shows that sometimes the creation of night creatures can create some dis functional ones. Otherwise than that, I didn’t see the point of holding Édouard in a cell for multiple days if they weren’t going to study him or something, because you might as well just kill him. I like the gay Aztec vampire because he’s like the cringey gay fan fic character, it’s so bad and stupid that it’s actually kinda funny. The story is slow and rather repetitive with the only good/awesome part is when Richter reawakens his magic and they play the bloodlines song. The plot between Maria and the priest is really stupid because Maria just says the same thing, like she’s Lennin at a communist rally in St. Petersburg, and I still don’t understand why the priest attacked Richter and Marie at their home with night creatures if the priest loved his daughter. Also, why wouldn’t the vampires know where Richter and the gang live? They were able to find him at a pond, so why not at a house outside of town? Another small gripe that doesn’t add to the plot but I felt I should mention is the potentially forced love relationship between Richter and Annette. I felt more romantic interest between Richter and that one revolutionary girl that lasted for a minute than between Richter and Annette throughout the whole season. Up until that point, I thought Annette loved Édouard. I only learned that Annette was race swapped and was Richters romantic partner in the video games after I watched Nocturne. This season wasn’t terrible, but it’s heavily flawed. I would have to say that all the ideas were good, but it was executed poorly.
Why should Annette be uncomfortable with Ritcher?? She spent a lot of time in search for him and met him fighting night creatures. Then they had a discussion about the political climate in France and their region along with the presence of vampires. (Which they all collectively hate). Eduard was a decent character, but I also hated his singing lol. Alucard couldn’t trust any Belmont because Belmonts hunt his kind- vampires. And Belmonts would subconsciously be wary of vampires.
its just a bad show no matter how he slices it its fine to hate annette cause of race swap that doesn't make you "bad" for that especially when it roots to why she's so terrible, its just cheap tokenism to preach slavery bad in a plot that doesn't need it and her to downplay everything as "not as bad as my past" cause Oppression Olympics of the writer's, thats just high agenda pushing and as a result it ruins the rest of the story, time wasted to preach to the audience can't be ignored same to Church bad message cause easy target, imagine them trying that to any other religion, they wouldn't dare, its tiring even his Reawakening is bad cause they waste it pointlessly and makes no sense, they DIDN'T EARN THE REAWAKENING and ruin it by him talking "i was gonna say something epic but FUCK IT" is so marvel humor and its just horrendous
@@marcusclark1339I don't think you paid attention to this video much. It feels like you're ignoring the French revolution theme to try and rant about your own political views that are in opposition to your perception of the show's political views. If you don't like the show, that's fine, I just don't think your review is coming from a very genuine place.
i liked the show, i saw no problem with the new characters, don't know why people are saying this season is woke or something, i prefer variety in the characters.
I liked the show but I have never played a Castlevania game so I'm fresh to the world of Castlevania but my opinion is I love it and I'm gonna ignore the hate towards Nocturne. Castlevania was a good show I loved Trevor and Sypha their relationship made me laugh so much and the fight scenes in both are pretty good
@Mkj119 L opinion. Let the guy enjoy what he enjoys. And also Just because the creators didn't make the exact one to one remake you were hoping for doesn't mean it's not a good series. It's a bit flawed, and It's not what you were expecting. Just enjoy that castlevania as a series is finally getting the hype it deserves
Totally with you on this. There's two reasons I've seen people rag on this show: 1 ) it's not exactly like Rondo of Blood 2) Secondary characters being different-coloured. I'm in a weird camp where I think Nocturne might be actually the better series. It's missing a bit of Warren Ellis's snarky humor but it's also missing all of his worst excesses as a writer - anyone saying Nocturne 'drags' must be forgetting how much frigging time the first series burned on waffly navel-gazing philosophical monologues and character arcs going around in circles. Nocturne feels fast-paced to me by comparison, and the tight focus on a handful of heroes who are REALLY NOT WINNING gives it a real feel of, heh, stakes, in a way that feels more personal than Dracula's mostly-offscreen genocidal war. Our guys are losing people every time they clash with their enemies, they're baddasses but not invulnerable superheroes, they're fighting a war and it's an ugly war where they could sacrifice everything and still lose. The grief and tragedy hit hard. As for Richter, keeping in mind that this is very likely as you've pointed out, more like a prologue setting up its version of Rondo. I love how very different he was to our man Trevor and I love that they're showing him growing INTO the hot-blooded unstoppable shonen hero from the games that he clearly wants to be. He doesn't have to start there. It's boring as fuck if he does. Character development is a thing. Trevor got plenty. I think people should just relax and give it time. I'm wondering if the peopl who have such a problem with Annette and Olrox had the same problem with Isaac, since they did the same thing with him. What are they defending? Game Annette's entire character was "Richter's girlfriend. Maria's sister. Blonde." They have changed 2/3 of those things, she's clearly still Richter's eventual love interest, and since they shuffled the familial relations a bit so Richter is a (distant) blood relative to Maria, it's PROBABLY for the best that Maria not be Annette's sister. Making her a capable combatant allows them to involve her in the action and not keep her as a sidelined damsel, all the characters can fight. Oh, and she's black, and I guess people are mad about that for totally not racist reasons. Look, I'll believe them when they complain just as loudly about Tera being Maria's mother, blonde, and clearly a Sypha descendant instead of a noncombatant black-haired village nun, that's just as big a change. Game Olrox was just a bald vampire buddy of Dracula's who turns into a weird lizard monster. That's it. Sure, it's weird seeing him with HAIR (beautiful, beautiful hair...) but I think taking the original mistranslation of "Orlok" as inspiration to make a baddass mesoamerican vampire antihero out of a dude who was really just a nifty boss fight is pretty cool. To me he's the most interesting character on the show. Really I don't see any difference between Olrox and Annette and Isaac. They took thinly-sketched or nonexistant game characters and made them infinitely richer and more interesting people. I don't think there's a comparison between Game Isaac and Show Isaac in terms of depth and there's even less with Annette because - WHAT character - and sure she got turned into a vampire in one story ending in the games, BUT they've clearly just given that story to a different character...for now. This is also just SEASON ONE. Remember the first Season One? It was decent, but nowhere near as good as Season 2. Nocturne feels more focused, there's no random tangents like the extended goat-fucking joke or the whole Sumi/Taka plotline, or the fact that Carmilla and Isaac's storylines are total sidequests and they never even meet the protagonists, or (even as a game fan I'll acknowledge this) the Final Final Boss coming out of freaking NOWHERE if you aren't already fan of the games. I loved the first show, Trevor/Sypha/Alucard were amazing, Dracula was amazing, the action and dialogue were a lot of fun, but taking off rose-coloured glasses, it had its flaws, and Nocturne fixes a lot of them, and that's a good thing. I guess I'm saying that I wish people would chill out and give things a chance. I love the games, I loved both shows, and I'm excited that we are getting more epic Castlevania stories in 2023.
I agree. It has its flaws, but some arcs were done pretty well. It's also much more ambitious than the previous seasons for better or for worse, but I personally like it.
You're misunderstanding them. It's not 'hate', it's just that they are very passionate about the franchise and they just wanted a more faithful adaptation of Rondo of Blood. While I disagree with some of the major criticisms they have, I do understand where they're coming from. Writing it off as just hate for the sake of hate isn't helpful to anyone.
@@BradLad56I will say some of them for sure but A LOT just want to hate media involving anything WOKE which doesn't mean anything more then anything they feel uncomfortable with. Hey maybe I'm wrong but it certainly feels like we are in that age of outrage.
How are people hateful? Are they hateful for pointing out the many flaws in this series..? Why are you rejecting their opinions to prop up your own? Just curious.
@@lpk6372 Woke is the insertion of moderns day elements while sacrificing writing, storyline, plotlines, and character development. Woke is used to sum it up, because those added elements will be used to attack and dismiss any legitimate criticism of an I.P.
You can’t deny that the original Castlevania series was just leagues above Nocturne. In the first 5 minutes we met Lisa and Dracula and was immediately drawn in by their charm and wit. Nocturne just didn’t have that in season one. It feels like Castlevania original made me care about it more in 4 episodes than Nocturne did in 8. That’s a problem. Perhaps they should have stretched and divided Season 1 across two seasons so we could have more character interaction? Unfortunately, Warren Ellis was obviously the architect behind the original’s success and his absence in Nocturne is glaring.
Funny... because i remember a lot a people saying that the first season of the first series was too short and didn't give much. It had moments, like Dracula and Lisa's moment, but the first season was really short, but it was something new, and people were prepared to wait. The first series only really came in itself on the second season.
Your criticism is flawed because this is geared towards a female audience, nerds consistently have issues when properties lean towards relationships and romance. They say it's lowers the property but GIRLS have different interests. Ever watch Buffy The Vampire Slayer or Twilight or Star Wars Prequels. Nerds hated the prequels because they focused on Anakin and Padme's romance. To be fair, George Lucas SUCKS at writing romance. Guys prefer season long episode preparing for a fight like in Dragonball Z, why isn't that considered terrible?
@@williampearson6299 you really fished a lot out of my five word sentence. A lot of projection. Geared towards girls…. When the overall majority of fans are male…. Yep that’s smart.🤪
@@80sMoviesRule1 Precisely. Companies have been making an effort to gain female viewership in animation, and engagement in video games. We are moving towards the Metaverse, right? They need everyone logged inside the matrix - especially women
@@80sMoviesRule1 William here is a prime example of somebody that is in love with the smell of their own farts. Been reading through the comments on this video, and Ol' Willie here has copy/pasted this exact comment at least 4 times prior as a response to other commenters, not to mention the pretty whiny retorts lil' Willie has made.
If your not gonna focus on the French Revolution don't have that setting in your story. The French Revolution was hell. The show make it seem like a mild annoyance 😂
Everyone hates on this show, but if I had never seen it, I would have never watched the og show because i thought nocturne was so good. I gave the og a chance
I think nerds trash it because they're uncomfortable with confronting their own history. They only like to embrace the heroic history, not the time they were the villains. Even though, vampires are the villains, it's got nothing to do with race or "woke".
@@spinosaurusstriker I understand that, but it’s based on a video game, it needs something to fill it out as a show, unless it already has a complex story like God of War. But hey, to each their own
@@spinosaurusstrikeryou people got to get over this. The thing about designs, is that they're going to change. Tons of content gets alternated from their previous sources, I'm sorry
even Castlevania lore isnt conststent, some have trevor be the son of alucard, some have maria being a child in SoN, some even have dracula be gabriel belmont and the father of alucard. revisions and adaptions is a big part of Castlevania.
genuine question; I haven't played the games, but after the first show I got interested in the story/lore. From what I gather and what my brother (who has played the games) has told me, Dracula placing a curse or curses on the Belmont family and being revived various times seems to be, in general, the central evil the heroes fight against. If you change that you change the story in a big way. I can understand if you say that it would get boring him being the bad guy all the time (though I think the show can get away with maybe 2 or 3), but wouldn't that mean that a faithful adaptation (not necessarily one to one) just isn't possible? With the exception of the first time, obviously. It's like if you said "I don't think people wanna watch a blue hedgehog run around leaving a blue trail everywhere he goes" when talking about a sonic adaptation. If that were true (it obviously isn't) I could understand why people would think that, but wouldn't that mean that a faithful sonic adaptation isn't possible? That comparison might not be the best, but you get what I'm trying to say.
Dracula had a master plan of hating god yet his former best friend Leon Belmont swore to his clan will fight him. Dracula comes back 100 year later that's went he met Alucard's mother and that's where the first series of the show picks up on. Yet in the games Dracula is a puppet of cultists and the castle itself. As it is shown he and Death are tied together and each time they're brought back they're weakened. There's a whole subplot that Dracula hates being brought back which is first shown in Rondo of Blood. After SotN, there's other hunters than the Belmonts since Richter is the "last one" until 1999. The WHOLE point is that Dracula MUST comeback
Internet doesnt know the difference between hate and critic. The one who call it woke exist, but there are others who dont agree with the story telling quality. And guess what? Even them doesnt hate the show. It's not from hate that castlevania nocturne struggle with, it's the absence of nuance and the propention of people to either put you on extreme right or extreme left from a commentary on a show that, lets be frank, is neither.
Was Nocturne as great as the first one? Not 100% but Nocturnes been a fun ride, though I admit 2-4 more episodes add a lil more spice like more character development for Richter and how he and Maria first met (though it might be seen in Season 2, who knows). It doesn't deserve the hate and those who call it w0ke are friggin weird, man. It's at least an 8/10 on my end.
it was bad, liking it for its animation doesn't mean it was good it doesn't need more episodes, that just means it WASTED the time it actually had on storylines that weren't needed the cheap slavery inclusion, race swap annette's character, church bad messaging and revolution ALL COULD OF BEEN CUT to focus on the ACTUAL plot - FIGHTING VAMPIRES how that became secondary shows how bad the show is and never downplay a story actually being agenda pushing, if they can preach about it then u CAN TALK ABOUT IT
it was a bad show literally nothing happened the whole season that couldn't be skipped changing Annette ruined her entire character to shove in a pointless subplot of slavery church bad messaging cause its easy for media to smear the church, its neither new nor interesting Maria revolutionary is pointless and Richter's "awakening" was unearned and wasted the moment he started talking
Finally a review that says the show isn't perfect but was pretty good, I'm kind of sick of everyone just giving it a complete praise or complete hate. Pretty much have the same criticisms as you do, except I also think that some of the writing wasn't the best at times, and Richter's voice actor I thought just didn't sound right at times, but at other times was great so kind of a wash there. The show's action and overall plot I thought was pretty good and the ending was great, just a couple middle episodes that I really didn't care for as much. Also I feel that richter kind of got his magic powers out of nowhere, I understand it was supposed to symbolize overcoming trauma but going from 0 to 100 in a story moment is just never something I really like, it's just too convenient.
My only gripes with the show was how they did their investigations at the wrong time of day. When Maria's mom said it was time to wait, Annette said no, and it was time for action or whatever. I said to my brother, "It is sunset, it is literally the time to wait because if you go now it will be nighttime." What happens? It's nighttime when they get to the mansion. Why are there 4 of them? Then when they go to investigate the church they open their secret passageway in the middle of the day. Nobody saw this and said, "That's weird." How long were they down there? Not sure, but when they leave the sun is still out. Even if it was only 1 hour, half the town must have known about this secret passage. That's the one to do in the middle of the night. Assuming your secret passage door doesn't wake up the neighborhood. Aside from that, I liked it. I especially liked when Richter said, "I'm the stupid one, so why am I the only person in the room wondering why we don't have a plan?" It's not gonna go well when the stupid one is the smartest person in the bunch. It wasn't even like he was secretly smart or something. Trevor was a savant. Richter's a himbo.
I will say I do like this season a lot And I'm shocked that is getting so much hate however I do recognize It does have some flaws And I think the biggest flaw is that the writing just isn't as strong as the previous season since Warren Ellis it's not on the helm of this series so even character funny banter isn't as strong as the previous season. I still think it's good enough but there is room for improvement.
MangaKamen also makes a well-thought review of what´s severely lacking with Nocturne. Not being 100% based on Rondo of Blood or the race swaps are the least of this show´s problems. It´s just that most detractors tend to pick those two arguments because they are the easiest to use.
The pacing issues with the first half of this season did put me off for a while, but then I remembered that when I look back at S1 and S2 of the first Castlevania series, it was clearly a flaw I could overlook, especially with how the latter half of Nocturne went. I'm also a sucker for when fantasy worldbuilding in a real historical setting incorporates a global approach to magic and mythology, so seeing Haitian vodou and Olrox's feathered serpent transformation completely won me over.
Weird to think that Simon must have just been fighting Vampires since there hasn't been any night creatures since Trevor's days. Ah well, if they ever did decide to circle back and take on Simon they could come up with something interesting. Wonder if Juste will talk about his grandpa!
Oh, I know who I'd want Simon to fight. The beast people - maybe even Cornell closer to the Lords of Shadows version. They were mentioned earlier by Carmilla so I'm sure they could cause some good trouble.
is said in the series that before the forgemasters, nightcreatures were created with magic and other things. so its possible that simon could actually encounter some of then if he's someday getting his arc adapted
@@cauabertoldo7692 i suppose that line that said no one had seen one for 300 years could have been a bit of a hyperbole. or was that there hasn't been a forgemaster in 300 years? i don't remember, guess i'll have to watch each episode a third time.
Hate? This series is fantastic and with much more believable and fascinating characters. Furthermore, it is devoid of those comic skits present in the previous seasons and which had nothing to do with Castlevania. It is a more adult, mature and also better drawn series.
This series didn't work for me because of the world building. While I was at first fascinated by the setting being during the French Revolution, it was terribly executed. All the Vampires are aristocrats and somehow MOST of the citizens know exactly where all they all are - practically on the otherside of town. These were the years of Maximilien Robespierre who drove mass executions by guillotine against anyone even hinting support for the old rule of law. Those vampire havens would have been raided, overrun, and cinders within weeks. French revolution + mass hysteria vampires would bring = vampire's plot and story line never getting off the ground given the historcal context
Loved Nocturne. I’m sorry but the hate seems so childish to me and there so many people making pointless videos convincing others to hate it . Keep hating call cause we getting a season 2 and I’m here for it.
It’s not childish to point out the show has flaws, is way too bloated with plot/character building that doesn’t go anywhere, because it’s a measly 8 episode season. There are legitimate grievances with the show that indicate it’s not as good as the OG series. Just because your fee-fees don’t like what people are saying doesn’t make them wrong.
@@greyknight627 okay let me rephrase myself I’ve seen nothing but childish arguments. Like this one. The character building was great and gave focus to the whole crew unlike the oh series that just focused really on 3 characters. The OG shows have short seasons too so again just pointless reason honestly I said what I said. 🤷🏾♂️ I’m not mad tho we getting a season 2 to explore there characters more so is fine by me.
@@greyknight627 Your criticism is flawed because this is geared towards a female audience, nerds consistently have issues when properties lean towards relationships and romance. They say it's lowers the property but GIRLS have different interests. Ever watch Buffy The Vampire Slayer or Twilight or Star Wars Prequels. Nerds hated the prequels because they focused on Anakin and Padme's romance. To be fair, George Lucas SUCKS at writing romance. Guys prefer season long episode preparing for a fight like in Dragonball Z, why isn't that considered terrible?
My biggest criticism against Nocture is that there are way too many coincidences piled on the other. It felt too convenient that Richter went into a tavern with Juste in it AND a vampire attacks out of the blue. Eduard “somehow” has his sentience as a night creature. Orlox just so happens to be in Europe. And many more.
I agree with Eduard somehow sentience but juste told richter he was always close by so richter running into him once in like how many years isn’t that far out, also the vampires were actively looking for richter and followed him there so no a coincidence. Lastly Orlox literally is said to be there because to meet the vampire messiah he didn’t just happen to be in Europe.
The abbot isn't a real forgemaster. Isaac and Hector knew what they were doing, while this guy just bought a machine and its instruction manual from some random demon.
It absolutely deserves all of the hate. The core fan base, ya know the people that grew up playing Castlevania want more accurate adaptations of the IP we grew up with. Not these awful shows where they cherry pick events from different games to "make their own story". The dialog is horrible as is the injection of various forms of politics and the unneeded disingenuous race swapping of characters is also horrible. If they absolutely have to take creative liberties at least go the extra mile and make the affirmative action characters original characters. Not my Castlevania.
Issue with that, is that the original series as well wasn't faithful with the source material and that show has MANY fans and made Castlevania much bigger. So, when Nocturne was announced, literally everyone knew that this show wouldn't be extremely faithful to Rondo of Blood and would tell its own story just like what the original show did.
its a bad show with bad characterization caused by writers thinking they push any hamfisted agenda with no pushback, race swapping Annette ruined her character cause it was done to INCENTIVIZE making it about slavery which shows the real point, the writer's wanted to shove in story about that and used Annette to do it, making her entire plot separate from the main one same to revolution and Church bad messaging, what does any of that have to do with why we're here, to watch vampires fight vampire hunters, that's why its terrible, its done for cheap agenda pushing and tokenism so they can get praise by media for "inclusion and diversity" by making them one note its just a bad show once u actually think about it
@@marcusclark1339In the original games, Annette was mostly just a plot point, so any added characterization is welcome. So, I don't believe in this fake swap outrage. I agree they should have handled Annette's character arc better, but black characters simply just existing isn't "woke", and people definitely need to go outside
@@june2613 For real. It's a series about revolution and which ethnic group has needed the most freedom from oppression? Those European peasants think they have it bad, whereas in Haiti people were literally being dismembered in the streets by the Spanish.
@@marcusclark1339 again when I say pointless arguments this is what I mean. The changes made to characters made actual historical sense. Annette got more development then the game with an amazing backstory but you probably couldn’t see past the color right? People acting like Castlevania had the deepest story which it didn’t not a bad story but was never that deep the show really does a great job at flushing everything out just like the last series. It’s not a bad show you’re just mad lol keep crying about it buddy lol I can’t wait to see my mixed Belmonts 😈
Don't worry, you're the main percentage. As someone who loves Symphony of The Night and Rondo of Blood, it's mostly just loud hardcore fans or outrage baiting youtubers that are making a big deal about it. Most people are just enjoying it for what it is, most of the hardcore game fans aren't really against it either, they just have criticisms that they hope are improved which is okay.
That's kind of the problem though... the story is good but it doesn't feel like a Castlevania story. Belmonts have always fought all sorts of vampires, but almost every main playable Belmont has fought Dracula, and/or Death, I just don't see how they'll reintroduce either of them. I loved the first series but the way it ended off didn't leave much room for compelling future stories. I dunno, maybe I just don't like the way they handled certain characters and maybe I just don't see the new generation of vampires as much of a threat compared to the last one. I dunno I may not like the show but that could just be it not being for me If people like it, who am I to say they shouldn't
@@faintduch6630I can agree on that, Dracula has no reason to be evil. But death could come back, based on the way they portrayed it death in that show was just a being that ate death, not actually death. But as someone who has played the games there's only so much you can do when adapting games with simpler stories and formulas.
I would love a Castlevania animation with Simon Belmont as protagonist, but that animation would be probably a 2 hours or less lenght animation movie, not a series part.
The problem is the writing is still bad. If you made a shoe about richter going through the castle fighting various popular monsters, confronting shaft, death, and dracula it would've probably been better than what we have right now. I never expect a perfect adaptation, however I don't like diverging from source material to make an inferior product. If you diverge, then you have to make it better
I think people need to let a property have room to grow. The first Castlevania did its job with the world building. But we always want new audiences. Gaming industry is pretty male dominated, and women like relationships and romance. Nocturne was written differently like it had a female CORE audience in mind. That's why nerds are complaining, they don't like that at all, they prefer mission and action. A single day in Dragonball Z dragged on an the entire Winter season anticipating and prepping for a fight. Girls are not sticking around for that unless it's about a romance.
I found it weird that Annette was race swapped and then written with every trope and stereotype 🙄. I’m black and I hated the black character so much because she was written so badly.
@@Epiphanystone My wife is black and she loves Annette. She thinks that this is how they should make Vixen on DC. And it's weird how your icon is of a white person when you harbour such hate for a black character too. Kind of gives off the impression of self hate.
It is all because there are still people who wanted Dracula to be tortured for Eternity in Castlevania. And, because Richter’s enemy isn’t him but rather Bathory and Orlox, that makes the show unlikable. BS.
Bathory was never Richter's foe, though. She and Drolta were shoehorned in for whatever reason, when they should have been saved for a potential Bloodlines series.
The hate I saw online mostly revolves around the race changes, especially for anette. Which is utterly bullsh*t to me. Sure her race is changed, but it's also explained and fits in the narrative and world. It's interesting to see hatian revolutionist work alongside french revolutionist. Sure her character could've been handled better, but it's nowhere near as bad as the hater seems to think. It's honestly terrifying to see people just being openly racist towards the show, and masks it as a "insult towards the source material". Imo the changes adds a lot to the world building, like orlox being an aztec. I mean we already saw supernatural beings and cultures in europe in the first one, now it we also know that there's still a lot of things that we hasn't know yet. Personally I like nocturne more because of their uses of music, it feels more dramatic and iconic. Although I still think the dialogue is on the edgier side like the first one, I mean they use the word fu*k too often that it becomes annoying. Like listening a teenager discovering curse words and now adds it to every conversation. As for the characters I like them, they feel human, except for ersebet. I don't really like ersebet, she has this way of talking that just feels like it came out of a playstation 1 castlevania game.
Oh trust me, Annette being handled more accurately would've made her INFINITELY worse, as in, a non-character, so it is absolutely racism, especially when they pretend to be fans of the original series.
@@Peasham That's bullshit. You don't know Annette was supposed to bring back Carmilla which would have been the ultimate test for Richter can he SAVE HER since Leon was unable to save Sara from a simular situation. You've could have been eating so much better
@@ExeErdna Carmilla? Leon? Huh?? No, having Annette have zero personality and having her be essentially a mcguffin Richter has to save as she does and says nothing wouldn't, in fact, be me eating better. Turning a non-character into a character is a good thing, in fact.
The people who say the writing is bad I think mean 1 of two things. Either the dialogue is bad or the narrative of the story is bad. I'm in the opposite boat to both of these thoughts actually. The dialogue of the young cast is written true to each's character. I like that Maria comes off whiny, Richter sounds unsure of ideas presented, Anette is impulsive and emotional. Why? Because those are faults in the characters that we can see them start to grow out of by the end of the season. They're also all pretty damn young compared to our previous cast, so things like obnoxious amounts of swearing just come with the territory at times. To the latter argument to those who don't like the story and how it deviates from the game or how "slavery is bad" is so obvious it hurts I'd like to make a few other observations. As someone who hasn't played any of the games the story holds it own and kept me interested due to introducing many villians. You have the messiah and her right hand, the slave owner, the french marquee, Olrox, the abbot and Mizrit, and the bounty hunter vamp leader. From what I've heard people describe in simple terms about a true game adaptation the story would be SO linear I can't imagine how it would be interesting. I was hooked episode to episode because I didn't know what fight I was going to see or who might be making a final appearance. As for "slavery is bad, duh" I appreciate that they are approaching the idea in parallel with the supernatural, not just the vampires and humans, but the night creatures as well. The most compelling character and hero of the first castlevania series for me was Isaac. His arc was more intriguing and unpredictable than any other character because he was at odds with his own perception of the world throughout the story. When he first spoke to the fly night creature it began raising so many questions about something else I'd argue is a unique spotlight in the series, the forgemasters. This season we get even deeper exploring the consequences of inhabiting the dead with souls from hell, but we get more of a twist in that the forgemaster conducting the magic is a man of god. Or perhaps the machine being used was passed down by a former forgemaster(follower of Isaac perhaps) that wanted to do away with the shackles of servitude of hellspawn and grant them true freedom. While the connection shard between Ed and Annette has meaning I don't believe it is the reason for his consciousness being retained. Traditional slavery is depicted as a reminder of the period, but we also get to glimpse at modern slavery as the aristocrats have brokered a piece with the vampires and subjugate the lower/middle class to the worst consequences of that deal. With the supernatural night creatures beginning to break their shackles for the first time in the series we see the black/white lines of slavery start to be blurred. Is it slavery if they don't even know they're slaves? Is it slavery if they've been condemned to hell? (I'm thinking this to be alluding more to modern prison systems) That's just a one narrative subplot though. We also have ancient god feuds, war vs. peace, sun vs. night. And don't get me started on Olrox. This vampire has more to him than any standalone vampire from the first four seasons. The show doesn't do some things as good as the first season, but that's fine because for me it does other things much better.
Americans are triggered over their own history. I wonder what the rest of the world thinks. Should we just erase this part of history from stories everytime a show or movie is set here?
There's reason why people are mad that Richard is not as powerful because he is the end of the Belmont. The reason why he's in smash. Many other stuff he's the little inn and the most powerful is of the Belmont. The story reason to why that isThe Dracula saw the Belmont's getting stronger each and every time and Richter was so strong that he got corrupt. It was used to resurrect Dracula But this result in him being cursed and the Belmont's for centuries can't use the whip. And this resulted in other people rising up the fight against Dracula in their place. It's also result in Alucard looking into other people who can use the whip that are Blood related to the Belmont. Which he succeeded in but unfortunately for them that bloodline can use it but it ends up killing them if they use the web too much. Result in the main MC from bloodline dying His son release Richter spirit. And destroys the curse that prevents the bell mouse from using it and Richter's spirit says thank you for releasing Him and frame his family from his curse after You defeat him and the Diaz game. It's result centuries later to a new bell mock the pop out to help fight against Dracula the last of them which is the end of the story. But hes not as powerful as Richter unfortunately. I say it again right this supposed to be really goddamn powerful because he represents the end of them. Seriously you just took a straightforward story and I don't know you can act stuff in it but you couldn't as captive as it is by adding more towards it. But what get me mad is they d powered the vampire killer to all hell like that thing should murdering Every night creature Every night creature should fear it which is a thing of the games but some powerful beings are just like it or vampires be like oh anyway. Seriously what if sonic 3 did that too which is do sonic adventure 2 which is my favorite game and story. Imagine someone's Taking a straightforward story which easily could be made into a movie Does it really doesn't need any changes how you don't even need to change the music because every music in that game fits the story you don't need no modern day dumb music plan. Shadow versus the Bio Lizard Which support me is playing. And the entire lyrics of that song is shadow and when he's going to. Hell each care to theme song Represents the theme of the game which is live and learn. Sonic it doesn't matter which I love that song. I'm a status as a scenario I hope it doesn't happen imagine if the The black lady from the second movie comes out of nowhere and tells shadow he's a grip off his ass and save the world because what he went through is as what black people go. While on the ark Or something along those lines. And you know they would probably do something like that. Hell or even change the music of each senorial to some modern day slang that you hear on a radio or in kids Parties.
I loved the OG Castlevania show, I HATED Nocturne. It wasn’t just because they got stuff “wrong,” they made a mess of everything (pulling from drastically disjointed games, putting in WAY too much plot for too many different characters, not nearly enough action, and fundamentally changing many characters to be unrecognizable from their VG counterparts). The OG series was clearly developed with honoring the game franchise it came from. Nocturne was anything but that. It was bloated, confusing, and a pale shadow of its predecessor. For example, putting it into the backdrop of the French Revolution may look like it made sense, but it does NOTHING for the narrative. It was a waste, unimportant, and had 0 impact on the show other than its mentioned. You could remove it and nothing would be lost. Also, Orlox WAS a Castlevania character and did show up in Symphony of the Night, Moonlight Rhapsody, and in the 2037 era game.
I have absolutely no problem admitting the faults of this show. Zero backstory on Maria or showcase of how or why she got her powers? Sure. While I wouldn't call it plot convenience considering Olrox isn't a generic villain, it not yet being explained why he didn't kill Richter as a kid? Absolutely. I could go on, but I won't, because the writers won't get to hear any actual constructive criticism due to believers in a certain ideology attempting to dominate discourse surrounding the series, and they ain't in the business of caring about art, we know this, the writers know this, yet they're drowning out all the actual criticism, so I can only hope the writers figure out their failings on their own, as these people certainly aren't helping.
Yes, it does deserve the hate. It's a damn mess. I'm fine with creators taking liberties with established characters and lore but I'll call it out when they completely miss the mark. Castlevania seasons 1 and 2 were good, seasons 3 and 4; wtf but still watchable, and Noctourne is more wtf, a heavy dose of cringe, and barely watchable, for me at least.
The female protagonist is insufferable, the story is all over the place, I don't care about any of the characters due to poor development, the story creator shoehorns a sociopolitical agenda that's been shoved down our throats by the current establishment and legacy media for 7 years straight, and the sad part is that inspiration could have been pulled from just about any, B-rated isekai anime to end up with better characters and plot.
Finally! Some INTELLECTUAL discourse on this show. I’m so tired of people complaining about Annette, Complaining that the show is too “political”, or just crying about “bad writing” (even though the show is cleverly constructed). You get a thumbs up for not being a mushed brain crybaby!
Hehe I guess I am one of the mushed brain crybaby😅 but I genuinely want to know which parts were good writing? (Sometimes I have trouble looking at the bigger picture). I think the show is good: animations is stellar and characters are really interesting! I just thought the story was all over the place (attempting to cram everyone’s character developments in 8 episodes). Or that the only way the story progressed was because of outside coincidental forces (Olrox revealing himself when they went to find Eduord, Juste Belmont just happened to be in the town Ritcher ran off to, or the vampire hunters passing by the seemingly nowhere town) rather than a character doing something outside of their own accord (like how the gang went to the island to see what was popping). I suppose there was no driven force and more reaction? I dunno, I guess I wish I had seen an amalgamation of the two. But what do you think?
No, you are not proud of that crowd pal, your points are actually pretty interesting and valid, your comment is actually the first one i see addressing these points.@@borahtae
At first watched I loved Nocturne and couldn't understand the hate but after seeing the reviews I understand the criticism. I still love it but I see the flaws and the plot holes like the priest sides with the vampires to protect the church. He helps them by providing them with night creatures but if he's a forge master with magic. Why can't he create a night creature army to protect the church from the revolutionaries and the vampires. And the group dynamics aren't properly set up and developed Edword dies after we just met him an episode later. So we don't feel anything for him because we barely know him. And we don't see how they become proper friends and develop a group dynamic.They just get along easily and with no conflict. Even the thing with Richter running away they get over very soon. We don't fully explore the different personalities and see how they work together.
I think people need to let a property have room to grow. The first Castlevania did its job with the world building. But we always want new audiences. Gaming industry is pretty male dominated, and women like relationships and romance. Nocturne was written differently like it had a female CORE audience in mind. That's why nerds are complaining, they don't like that at all, they prefer mission and action.
I couldn't agree more. It's gonna get very old super fast if they keep recycling Dracula as the main bad. They already established in Season 3 and 4 that Dracula accepted his peace. Also, his ending at Season 4 really cemented the fact that he's happy now that he's been given the 2nd chance at life. The story shouldn't revolve around him too much especially there are more sinister characters out there in the Netflix narrative that make Dracula look like an Anti-hero at best. If we compare the Dracula in the games, he's just a one-note villain that keeps losing. It's not gonna be very sustainable especially if they keep bringing him back every damn season just to frickin lose.
Most of the hate I'm seeing revolves around Richter running away after seeing Olrox as if this was "netflix pulling down a male character" when literally in the next episode Richter has one of the most powerful eucatastrophe moment where he accepts who he is and assumes his role as a protector. But oh well thank fuck the haters are just a loud monitory. Keep yapping.
Film adaptations of video games has always been shit. Happened with Resident Evil, Silent Hill, etc. There's enough in the original games to create a story that is faithful to the characters in those games. "Translating the game into a new medium" is such an excuse. The show reads like a writer inserting their fanfic into the Castlevania universe at least for the first series. Nocturne looks like someone really wanted to make an original script, failed, but was hired as a writer for this and inserted it into the story. Nocturne doesn't deserve to associated with Rondo of Blood. What a waste.
I am not a lore purist when it comes to Castlevania(I don't know much lore anyways to be a purist), but what I hate about Nocturne is its forced political undertones. It's not belmonts/allies killing vampires, it is allies breaking the system that just happens to involve vampires. Vampires are just the collateral enemies and not the central antagonist.
@victorfarias8086 usually when you hear people parroting they have issues with "the political undertones" they're usually listening to what some red pill reviewers told them.
What forced political undertones? You mean undertones that most shows have? Game of thrones has political undertones, walking dead has political undertones. Just because this undertone is something you uncomfortable with because it deals with a black character shows your true mindset
Historically the french revolution was a period of extreme violence and bloodlust, specially from the side of the revolutionary army. They decapitated anyone who thought different, because they were religious fanatics of their ideology. The period was even called The terror by the revolutionary leader, Maximilien Robespierre.They were more of vampires than the noblemen from their times. The show is more concerned in virtue signaling than telling a good story, that's the problem. If you are going to use a period of time to tell your story, you better know it good to use it's themes with intelligence. Also, no hero runs from their enemies and leaves his friends alone.
@@hunterblane610 because it uses history in convenience of today's political agendas. It also uses the 'christian bad' narrative to the absurd point of make the priest an ally of demons. That's throwing logic through the window, as he allies with them to fight the revolutionary human army, but the vampires are directly enemies of God and even more powerful. Also, Anette 's character, the most chaotic and bad of them all, never takes accountability of her actions because of her slavery narrative. And Richter is a coward, because a true hero never abandons his allies. This goes further in having no respect for the source material, as he is brave and faces every danger with no hesitation in the game. You can call it character development, but that is not the character of Richter or any real hero in the first place.
It's defensive behavior. Anytime nerds are confronted with a black girl i think it makes them defensive because they can never actually be victims of them. Black women have the least power in America and simultaneously have the best heroes journey from slavery. They can't beat that.
And the weird Rkelly night creature really ruined the vibe of each scene he appeared in.. shoulda completely removed his whole character after he died as a human
Like... This is way more interesting as a show than the source material. In Richter's game, Anette gets kidnapped because Dracula wants a new waifu. They're just mad that she doesn't look like their 600$ statue of vampire Anette wearing nothing but leather straps.
No actual hate on Nocturne, but I'm ashamed that we might not even get a symphony of the night with my boi alucard if he already meets them at least 5 or 4 years too early. That gives him time to explore the castle as he's by himself against demons that would come back instantly once you leave the room, but here's the thing, he does not meet Richter until he becomes evil and influenced by Shaft's dark magic, tricking himself that he's the 'lord of the castle.' with a sweet old boss fight in the end that either gets alucard to kill richter or to see the true villain and then defeat dracula once again with the crissagirim. Also, I really wished that richter could have access to his own subweapons and their super moves like, hydrostorm or grand cross, even the time stopper would've been great He also doesn't know who Maria is when he meets her as she was shown to be by herself to look for Richter, there's ton of potential that was stored and already completed that, all the show had to do as to follow the roles of the story, then it was great to add the drama in between to keep character's story arcs together. It is what it is, Juste showing up was a nice appearance, I was about to have a heart attack thinking that they introduced Julius way too early instead in that other last episode until I knew I misheard it lol, but he was still a good kind of motivation bell that shows once he failed his mission, in the games, there was always until maybe sotn that they introduced multiple endings after that, so with this time, he failed Lidia who was his love interest and practically the objective of the game, that she either died or turned into a vampire and then he was forced to kill her. I just hope that in 2nd season they might be able to properly make this all work even if we do not get exactly what we want with Richter, at least him and Maria looked and acted accurately like their video game counterparts, but that's not alone to solo the entire show. Perhaps one day in the future, there may be a Simon belmont anime, who is also known as one of the most iconic Nintendo characters, even in smash bros. Maybe one day, even introduce Johnathan and Charlotte from castlevania: portrait of ruin as well as castlevania: bloodlines with his father who had the whip before him. Even better, they can try well enough to get aria of sorrow and dawn of sorrow with alucard who changes his appearance, introducing Soma Cruz, the reincarnation spanish japanese anime boy that travels abroad to castlevania. glad i was able to get this off my chest.
@@jackandrews4739 You know, season 4 of the original Netflix Castlevania series? Where Dracula's revived and very much not a bad guy anymore? And yeah he makes a huge ass magic blue fire cross lol, they adapted the attack to magic, which was already established in the show.
@intellectual_6936 You say that as if there weren't gay people in those times. And it's def not the first show/movie showing gay vampires. The slavery thing, sure they didn't have to add that, but it wasn't focused on that all the time. Sucks that's all you got from the series
Annette is problem of the show , the first half should be about Richer and Maria and second half should be about alucard , Maria and richter . One more thing, they do get a lot lore and fluff of rondo of blood from comics and cd , novel , which the show dumps most of them into toilet to make room for the New Annette , which is the we hate it most.
Annette is the best of the show. Americans are just triggered over their own history and want to project onto black Americans their own embarrassment. The plantation owners are vampires in this universe so Annette isn't making this a black lives matter situation. It's demons vs humans.
If Castlevania OG was like…a 10, then Nocturne is at LEAST an 8. But. This is season ONE. I’m sure it’ll beef up with time and additional episodes. It’s good, man.
Regardless of all its critiquie and or praise the main problem commes from the fact that you as a viewer ask yourself all the time, why, why why! There are so many things characters do and say that arent consistent, makes no sense in regard of what is established, lead to nothing, feels forced. Anette and Eduard randomly showing up at the perfect time, Anett having knoweldge about night creatures while neither Richard or his uncle have. The Knight dude suddently having change of heart when the priest tries to sacrifice Maria. (There are no scenes that build up to this, all he have had are some random sex sceene who came out of nowhere with talk that didnt lead anywhere). Why does no one in the church raise the alarm when the Necronomicon is stolen. Why does Richard whip and sword randomly disapear in some cutsceenes. Why does the whip sometimes kill vampires while other times it doesnt harm them. Why does Richard assume his family is safe after leaving them in the dungeon. Why is no one angry with him when he commes back. Why is Richard and Anette having a moment? Why is Anette litteraly the main character. Why does Anette lead the group in every sceene instead of Richard. Why does she get a longer back story than the main character and everyone else combined. Why does every cry all the time? Why does Richard not getting instantly killed aftee getting caught by a random group of vampires? Why does Richard who doesnt know if his family and friends are alive after leaving them for dead, awaken his magic, by thinking about how he needs to protect them?
Characters showing up at the perfect time is a staple of media, Annette was trained by a psychic who could see the future, Mizrak is repedeatly shown to be a true believer in God morals included, morals Emmanuel has completely abandoned, there is no sex scene, no one at the church noticed that the Necronomicon was stolen, we see Richter's whip being taken and him throwing his sword, this whip is not the Morningstar and acts the same as Trevor's whip at the start of the original series, Richter literally gets over his trauma via the guilt of not being there to protect his family, they're not angry at him because they're well aware that it was a trauma response, Annette doesn't get half the screentime of Richter. So bascially, watch the series.
im a huge castlevania fan bc of the netflix show so when i finished watching nocturne and went on youtube to see so much hate it saddened me because i enjoyed it so much :'( im glad people here also liked it too! i think the animation itself is already beautiful and the story is so unique and i love having something like this to watch because there aren't many action packed vampire shows like this out there. anyways! loved it, OBSESSED WITH ALUCARD and i can't wait to see season 2
Wish they had 2 more episodes to pace things out better
that shows that the pacing is BAD not that it needed more
the reason is cause so much is wasted on the pretentiousness of the pointless episodes like any episode on Annette or the vamp boy that simps for her taking up actual time hence
nothing actually happened this season that couldn't be skipped
Yeah that ain't it chief, og season 1 had 4 episodes and did everything right
this is literally my only complaint. too much in too little episodes
I know right? Ten episodes is the best way to help develop things naturally without it feeling rushed or dragged out.
@@kaiber0390It didn't though. It was good and fun, sure, but there's plenty of points in it where things sorta just...happen? Like when they fall through the ground into Alucard's crypt.
but...annette's whole arc was that she was wrong about richter being a coward? yeah she called him useless but immediately after her ancestors and mentor say otherwise and she blames herself more for her friend getting caught then richter.
in fact she's even sorry to richter near for what she thought pf him.
Still we saw way more Annette than Richter Belmont 💀
At this point poor Belmont is a side character.
Yeah i like how they made it clear she was in the wrong and needed to let go of some of her anger instead of using it as a shield to be a twit
Which is cool, but took way too much time like her backstory. In episode 2, we have to sit through almost 15mins of her backstory! We only got like 5mins for Richter and Tera. This is ridiculous
@@makzer8770 he still got the two best fights in the show and they had to establish this new versions backstory now to better establish themes and her character also you'd get complaints about her having no back story for a whole season.
it's not just richter's story we're follow a trio here.
we're getting a season 2. there will be time for richter to shine.
@@luispalao7418 her backstory was so good I would watch 2 episodes of it, not really a problem
Didn't know there was hate. That was a great show. Annette escaping was amezingly done. Kids these days need to hate to feel validated and cool. Me i can't wait for next season.
I agree I was surprised that this show was considered very woke. I know fan of shows that have suffered from that type of writing but this show was the furthest from that point it's true they did add a new character but I never felt that they gave her too many Mary Sue moments because they actually gave her just enough screen time and character development to Showcase that she's not always right and that she's just as flawed as the other characters. Meanwhile for Richter I feel like displayed Great Character Arc when it came down to him facing his trauma especially when he got his powers back. The only thing I would have appreciated more out of the series is if the grandfather would have had more screen time or even joined Richter in his Crusade
It was bad compared to the first. Storyline was everywhere, they completely made up a character (which is cool) gave her all kinds of crazy god powers (also cool) made her a black slave who escaped (still cool) beat us over the head with her backstory, made her unlikeable, then gave her the name of Rickters love interest and throw in a random scene where they are just blushing at each other…all of this storyline trash to have Allucard be the one who saves the day because everyone else fails.
Have you ever tought that maybe people genuinely can not like things you do?
@spinosaurusstriker there is a key difference between not liking something and actively hating on something.
@@juangooseman They hate to see women and black people having importance.
Sure, I think Nocturne gets more hate than it deserves, but I think the points are blown out of proportion, not wrong. There’s a lot of poor execution and writing. Just one example, Annette’s former slave-master. He’s the initial motivator for her anger and hate towards vampires, and that hate even leads to her friend dying. The resolution for this was just Annette coincidentally finding him 30 ft away while she was doing something completely different, and the fight only amounts to her almost instantly trapping and killing him.
They had to resolve her character arc quickly so that they could develop her and Richter's romance. See how quickly they reconciled after he came back? From now on it's easy sailing.
@@williampearson6299 I don't think it's that they "reconciled" but that there wasn't time to have a proper one given the urgency of their situation. I feel like it'll definitely come up again as a sore spot, and leaves a lot of ground to cover for further character/relationship development. Annette's lack of personal accountability and lack of external awareness makes sense because of her hyper-fixation on vengeance and retaliation - who wouldn't be in the same position?
I definitely agree with how quickly the conflict with Annette vs her former SM seems to have been "resolved" - but it holds a lot more water if you look at it through the lens of the SM as merely a component of the system she's trying to deconstruct and revolutionize. Given Netflix's history with cancellations, I can understand the strange pacing via writing and production constraints/limitations.
Especially when you re-visit Castlevania S1 which only had 4 episodes, and establishing that series had significantly less factors to consider in terms of character development and the antagonist plots that it set up. The original series set up C:N with a lot of ground to cover which, what I feel, does leave the viewer unsatisfied - but I think that's a good thing! If you're able to sit through the entire series with interest, and still have the capacity to point out issues or conflicts with it - then I believe it did a good job of leaving the audience wanting more.
Initially, I was not under the impression I had written out immediately after finishing C:N S1 - but it did leave me with a LOT to think about and theorize upon.
@@williampearson6299 Tbh if it was written better, that conflict would be something that both people could learn from it. Pretty much any well written couple has external forces that they have to deal with and how they support each other is what should make their bond stronger.
@@aden9160 Where does everyone get a degree in Psychology when it comes to Annette? Seems like they're projecting based on stereotypes. They're not a couple yet. We still need to get to know Annette and Annette is plenty accountable - she's a child raised a slave trying to fight demons. Is she an expert at love and relationships? She's more well adjusted than modern people who can't crawl out of their basement for a live date. And I think we are all a bit careful when it comes to characters like her, she has no room to have flaws like everyone else.
From what I've seen of black female characters: Star Trek's Uhura (1960's), New Generation's Guinan (1988), Deep Space Nine's Kassidy Yates (1995), Discovery's Michael Burnham (2017). No one treated them kindly at first. Nerds will gush over Uhura today but Nichelle Nichols got death threats at the time. Annette is a long term strategy. She's not gonna be appreciated by fans now but 30 years down the line, they'll reframe the narrative.
No, they'll have absolutely no idea who she is in 30 years cause the show is terrible.
Mary Sue times infinity equals Wokevania. Stereotype my ass 😂😂
I gave the show a chance but the writing was was giving me a headache. Like that scene when Belmont wanted to make a plan and they all called him a child and a coward made my head hurt so bad😂 Especially since they just got their friend killed in the previous mission you would think a plan would be a good idea next time around.
i allso wish they focused more on the characters then the fight scenes. Don't get me wrong. The fight scenes are cool but There was hardly any time to breathe in between them if felt like characters would talk for 2 minutes, and then there'd be another fight scene.
You clearly don't understand what bad writing is thsts called foreshadowing because later on we see that he actually was scared
@@AverageG50 no he wasn't scared until the vampire that killed his mom showed up. Plus that would be dumb foreshadowing. in what world would making a plan be a bad idea?
@@AverageG50 You forget he had an entire scene of him killing vampires "Yelling, who's next?"😂 up until that one vampire slowed up
You do know that characters being flawed is not the same thing as bad writing.......right?
It doesn't deserve the hate, but it does deserve to be critiqued. A lot of people nowadays are incapable of meeting in the middle. It's either HATE or LOVE something.
yes it deserves critique but alot of so called critque i try to watch amounts to hate..unfortunately..I totally agree with you by the way I just feel like alot of critique videos are made in bad faith..Honestly, the first "critique" i hear is race swap, gayness or whatever...you already lost me
Yeah, While I due agree Annette may have been what caused a lot of this fandom outrage, it wasn’t necessarily because of her character! It was due to the pacing of the show.
Giving at least one more episode before she killed her Vampire could’ve given her time to reflect and breathe while Juste helped Richter with learning/ Coupjng with his trauma.
I think Annette and Richter would benefit greatly if there was more episodes
Annette is a symptom of a modern issue that's been going on for the last decade. What I hated about Richter is that he had a panic attack and left his friends to die. That's not what Belmonts do. The setting, the characters. They are far different than the lore.
Her character could have been named Shadynasty and no one would have cared. They gave her the name of Rickters love interest, beat us over the head with her backstory, showed her getting her friend killed, gave her her vengeance against the slave guy that we didn’t know existed until 30 minutes before, all to have her accomplish nothing else and need to be saved like the rest by Allucard.
@@garrettnobles8956 they had to give her Annette name because otherwise they couldn't make her important.
@@caprice28 exactly and that’s annoying. She could have just been a powerful part of the gang but no they make her important by giving her that name.
I've had so much fun with this show and it's themes. My biggest gripe Pacing-wise would have been resolved if they had swapped episode 2 and 3, but other than that, I had a blast
I'm very much looking forward to season two and where it goes from here.
Nice mental illness
shows a person who isn't a true fan of the series.
@@johannessimola1615 cool, an elitist Gate-keeper
@@johannessimola1615Go back to eltingville nerd
@@johannessimola1615 bruh castlevania is borderline dead y'all shouldn't be complaining
It has a pacing problem, but so did the previous series, yet we still loved it. I also think the changes to the source material is a welcome one. It added more substance to the simple "man saves girl from vampire" and it honestly gave vlad a break. And for those saying that the creators of the show hate the source material, I'd say it was inevitable that big changes were going to happen anyway. With how the last show ended, all the changes they made for that one is gonna have lasting effects on any new castlevania series they make. I'm just glad that nocturne is still as good as it is.
Exactly. Not to get all comparative, but my biggest problem with The Last of Us was that it kept so closely to the source material, to the point of copying whole scenes, even when the context of the show didn't support it. And the performances fell into this weird uncanny valley of trying to copy another actor's performance. That wouldn't be as big an issue in Castlevania, but the point is that it's an adaptation with its own story and context. Dracula's arc is done, and he's moved on. Dragging him back would be insulting to the audience and to the previous show. Changes to characters is inevitable because, well, the SNES and PS2 weren't beacons of quality writing. Don't get me wrong, characters served their purpose, and I loved a lot of PS2 games, but modern TV is a different bar to clear.
Minus the fact that it's not good.
@@callumjohnston858true but why them make a castlevania adaptation?
@@jawadakram3936 Can't speak for them, but maybe they played it at some point and it left an impression. Doesn't seem like it'd tie into any current major Castlevania releases or trends, so it seems unlikely that it's a promotional thing. It genuinely just seems like someone liked the series, wrote some fanfic, and it got published and hit it big. Which happens more often than you'd think. The Witcher games, for example.
It absolutely deserves to be called out for its issues. The fact that Richter is shoved into the background of his own show for six episodes to develop the backstory of another character is just absurd. There are 8 episodes, and five of those are dedicated to Annette's background. And there's more screen time for Edouard's singing than there is development of Richter or Maria's characters. It's a massive issue of pacing, as the events that are tied to the central conflict are ground to a halt for over half, maybe 2/3 the runtime. From a writing perspective, that's just poor form.
Gorgeous show with some impressive action, fantastic voice acting. But this should have been a spinoff or have these backstories interspersed throughout a second season, not dominate the introduction to the story of the Belmont widely considered to be the favourite amongst fans. It's very out of touch.
The pacing is absolutely my big problem so far(followed by “still needs more Castlevania music” but that’s on Konami apparently). Just giving the plot and characters some time to breathe would have helped a lot.
Honestly it was quite more nuanced than I was expecting too. And while I still don’t really dig how much of Castlevania’s wild menagerie is flattened into the Night Creatures thing I am intrigued by the rebellion taking place with Edouard.
(actually the biggest problem is that Juste doesn’t have a blue outline and the music quality doesn’t turn crunchy as hell whenever he’s onscreen and also his shack isn’t an eyebleedingly oversaturated eyesore SO MUCH FOR ACCURATE ADAPTATIONS)
I mean tbf night creatures are a decent solution to the problem of including so many unhinged designs that wouldn't make sense otherwise
Okay I want to make a minor correction here, before I finish this video; Annette didn't exactly blame Richter for her friend's death. Sure, she took her anger and grief out on him, but again Annette blamed herself. (Okay going to spoiler territory here, so you have been warned) Annette did accuse him of being a coward, but can you really blame Richter of being traumatized after what happened to his mother?
she blamed him
Yeah at no point did Annette blame Richter for her friend's death. She did blame him for running away and called him a coward. It wasn't spelled out but I think she was just projecting her own faults onto Richter at that point. Both of them had major trauma in their lives and was suddenly out of the blue confronted with their personal demons. They both failed in dealing with their demons but in different ways.
@@marcusclark1339no she didn't lmao
@@BaronOfHell666 So, then explain why Richter is the only one who apologizes and Non-Annette just sort of accepts it while randomly blushing?
I can't blame Richter for being traumatized, but I can also understand why Annette wouldn't exactly be sympathetic about it. She had to watch a vampire kill her mother in front of her too, but she didn't get to run away afterwards and take a boat back to France where she had an adoptive family waiting. She had to get up the next morning to work on the plantation run by her mother's killer, at least until she escaped and trained to hunt down him down in revenge. After going through all that, of course she's going to look at Richter running away screaming from his mother's killer the instant he appears, which also happens to ruin her rescue/mercy killing plan by the way, and think he's a coward. Not saying it's right, but it is understandable.
I usually dont like changes to source material but that is when the source material is detailed and developed. Castlevania games work without a complex lore. The first Castlevania series is its own thing and I loved it. I love nocturne as well because I think it is a very cool story
I don’t even care about the game lore, Isaac was a great character in the first show but Nocturne was really dissapointing. Saying only hardcore fans or racists dislike it is ignoring its terrible writing, pacing, dialogue and sometimes even common sense. How is Annette calling Richter useless (tbh he really is portrayed as such during this season) when she was gonna kill her friend instead of freeing him and then just leaves? He’s in a metal cage and she’s a metalbender for crying out loud 🤦🏻
Annettes ' motivation was to correct her mistake of letting her (very literal) only friend die. He gave her the choice of freedom, when he was human and she wanted to do the same.
When she got there, she realized that killing him wasn't actually what he wanted, and it wasn't seen as freedom to him to be dead instead of his once human self.
At least, that's what I got from it
@@rainbowdragon2uthat's because you use context clues and don't have to bashed in the head with an obvious point
My god it's as if you hadn't watched the video
I agree with your points. I feel people are just hating this show for raceswaps, gay vampires, when in fact the show is much more than just that. Annette and Olrox were none character in the game and in this show they get more of a unique personal story. There is a lot they can go with the characters obviously they had this in mind when they developed the show. Ricther is much younger than Trevor so he can grow a lot just like all other characters. And people say he wasn´t a badass come on! Did you see the last episode? Its just him being OP. So I am generally just sad people can appreciate when a show tries to be more than just a simple source material. I feel like people want to see Dracula be the main antagonist in every season and series, it would be so dull and repetitive. Give the show a chance folks! Otherwise we will just continue to get the same repetitive stuff.
What did he do to earn his magic again? He didn't do Anything at all so regaining his magic was unearned.
@@yinyanimations151 he suprassed his childhood trauma after realising that otherwise his friends would die and he would end up like Juste. Sad and lonely
I hate it because of the flase promises of nocture being rondo of blood and SotN in anime but were is shaft as main villain, were is death and heavy references to chaos entity whom avatar dracula is and were is dracula as chaos will would influence him...... Show with name castlevania and those claims 8/10 with those 3/10 and if you haven't completed 10 castlevania games your oppinion doesn't matter.
@@yinyanimations151 He realised where his strength came from: Fraternity. Hence the headband. If you look, all 3 of the main character trio represent liberty, egality and fraternity.
@@johannessimola1615It's a continuation of the previous show. Dracula's arc is done, and bringing him back would be like bringing Palpatine back. These aren't the games, they're an adaptation.
My only major critique with the show is that I wish there was more of it. I wish season 1 has a couple more episodes to round it out and I wish season 2 was here already!
Thank you! 8 episodes was so short. Damn it at least give me 12 or 16 lol.
I didn't like the first 4 episodes, I pushed on through and actually ended up enjoying it. It was a little cheesy and extra, especially that one episode freak out Richter had, which felt forced to get to the power up moment. The general story changes and padding work imo.
The revolutionary narrative is a little desperate and Saturday morning cartoonish, but it doesn't seem to be the core focus after episode 4. I kind of wish Richter fought Drolta - but the Alucard ex Machina was a serviceable entrance for that character. I'm interested to see where they're going with this whole Sekmet horcrux thing. What they did with Olrox is great - Although wild that they had the audacity to make an Aztec god get willingly butt fucked by a Spanish crusader, but don't think to hard about the history of it I guess. 😂
Overall I'm pretty excited for season 2. Maybe the writing will clean up a bit and shake off some of the early season cringe as we get into the bigger spectacle.
Solid 6.5/10. Not great, but it's shounen, you can get into it if you like the vibe.
Funny you say that cause I remember reading a Richter analyze article and it mentions that Richter feels like a Shonun protagonist.
Same here, I barely got through this
Somehow I don't think the crusader was top >.>
U calling castlevania shounen is like those ppl who call avatar the last airbender anime and who said mizrak was a Spanish Conquistador?
I think your interpretation of the French revolution plot is super surface level and literal. Just bcuz u don't see revolution meetings on screen doesn't mean they stopped focusing on it. Clearly freedom is important theme and the show and that's the point of revolution stuff. Also Erzabeth and all her followers still want to crush the revolution so they really never stopped focusing on it😭
@@dekuquan7010 shounen is just animation for young boys. I found out Mizrak means spear in Arabic or something. I assumed since he's uber Christian he's one of those Al Andalas Moor Arabs from North Africa that settled in Spain. However, it was a joke so don't look that depe into it. 😂
I mean, if they don't show it now, how will I know they will continue to show it later it? I'm just using past behaviour to predict future behaviour.
Think of this as a preliminary first reaction more than a comprehensive review of Nocturne. There's obviously lots of potential and things to explore still.
Good points.
I loved this season. I was excited for Olrox - I don't care about the race swapping of various characters - the theme is revolution. Both the vampires want revolution to regain control of the world, and the humans want revolution to be free from the corrupt church and the monarchy that perpetuates poverty. The fact that most vampires are nobles bleeding the life out of the peasants is a perfect theme.
These characters aren't video game characters that always achieve their goals. I like Annette giving us lore regarding magic the western approach by the Abbot industrializing the Night Creature creation while Annette's ability to manipulate metal and earth and then return those elements back to their original state is a great dichotomy.
I don't understand the hate. We shouldn't get the video game for the show because that would be boring. We got a cool fight scene once per episode at minimum and got references to the video games (Olrox phantom skull attacks, Maria's familiar summoning, Richter's white headband and blue flame magic, Drolta transformed into the Succubus). They are generally following a plot that involves the characters in Rondo and Symphony but with some elements changed around for the sake of better drama and story.
the "hate" is cause its a bad show and gets CRITICISM for being mediocre, its high animation means little when the plot isn't even worth it, NOTHING happened this season at all til the end, cheap nostalgia bait of alucard and the entire politics of the show is apparent with race swapping Annette so they can shove in a pointless plot on slavery bad
they think the audience isn't suppose to critique those things but they can, its not "wrong" to call it out, they Ruined Annette's character, the sister being a revolutionary isn't needed and neither is the "Church bad" messaging that's so painfully obvious agenda pushing again
this plot should of been the actual one, Richter going into the castle to rescue the villagers after they've been kidnapped during that moon, including the ACTUAL Annette and running into various things in the castlevania, they didn't "flesh it out" they did the opposite
@@marcusclark1339If you dont like hearing "church bad" castlevania is the wrong series for that to begin with that shit has literally been around since season 1
@@marcusclark1339 yall really cannot take seeing slavery and white supremacy critiqued in any form ever. that was not the plot, the plot was revolution given the time period both the game and the show take place it would take more effort to pretend that slavery didnt exist then it would to acknowledge that it does and integrate it into the themes that already existed and were natural to the plot. the entire theme of all of the castlevania shows is vampires wanting to subjugate human. the doing so through slavery, monarchy and alliance with the church is the natural evolution of the plot in the OG series. they couldnt win through all out war so they used diplomacy and the flaws of mankind...seems like a solid plot to me
They had so much trash storyline that was all over the place, the main character they race swapped is suppose to be nothing more than a love interest and then made her unlikeable with crazy powers so they can be like ooo bLacK BeLmOnt can be a thing now. All this so an established character from a better written Castlevania season can swoop in and save them causing everything up until this point to be meaningless.
@@forever_noir_2155i dunno man its kinda r3tarded to make human society the same level of racist as the real works when you have literal monsters roaming around, usually that enough motive for humans to stick toguether because tribalism gets wider, it makes black people look like weakling lol
The hate on the show is definitely overblown and mostly by some questionable channels that rely on outrage bait content to get views. Nocturne S1 is mostly just setup and the beginning of the overall bigger upcoming story.
it isn't clickbait or outrage to critique a show
liking it doesn't mean that its good, liking it for its animation doesn't mean it isn't mediocre which it is
@@marcusclark1339Never said it was, the videos I'm talking about are the channels that dedicate themselves to being hateful with exaggerated thumbnails.
great..we're going to judge on what it is, not what it's ''setting up''..wahhh being 'hateful', it's called negative criticism, get over it..and if someone hates the show, it's their prerogative, grow up
The series is not bad, but it's also not great either, the original Castlevania series had a great introduction for both the main antagonist and the main hero, meanwhile Nocturne's set-up is, meh, not bad but also not good.
The problem is that the villains we get in Nocturne are not interesting at all, at least not at the beginning, and the season itself doesn't have many great moments or plot progression.
It's essentially the season 3 of the original series, but without the Issac subplot, so there is almost nothing worthwhile in this season.
I get the point about adaptations having to be different, but if that is the case then picking Richter as the protagonist for this story doesn't make sense, because his story is so videogamy, characters like Shanoa, or Johnatan and Charlotte would have made better characters to adapt to a series, but they picked Richter because he is the poster boy of Castlevania alongside Simon. This means they wanted the popularity of the character but they also wanted the freedom to do whatever the fuck they wanted with the story, this is a Red Flag, a huge one at that, it means that the writers are perfectly content with manipulating the audience and they don't care much about the original canon.
As of now, this series isn't worth a watch, the story is lackluster and it's more setup for seaon 2 than anything else.
it is indeed bad, so much is wasted, ruined every character and shoved in needless plots to push their agenda
look up the writer's reaction - narcissism cause they never think they're wrong cause they live in a echo chamber
I agree with a lot of your points, and I don't think the show deserves all the hate it's getting.
because they claimed to make anime about rondo of blood and SotN.... were is shaft as main villain and references to chaos and return of death... like have you even beaten 5 castlevania games?
@@johannessimola1615
It is a reimagination. And with the ending of the first Netflixvania, they had to make a different story because the story was already heavily changed.
@@Ninjaananas Well no they didn't as reincarnations of Elizabeth are only thing keeping Dracula from acting chaoses influence and Lisa was one also We had first Castlevania confirmed Leon Belmont came to wallachia in search for Job which was tied to lament of innocence were Elizabeth died before The start and Mathias manipulated Leon so that he would Become Dracula and Leon swore he and his bloodline would hunt the night and his old friend and he came to wallachia in his hunt.
As Lisa was still a human she would still die long before start of this story.
And still they could have used chaos as The main villain with these game shaft being its high priest.
I loved Nocturne, I loved the French Revolution theme, and I even loved Anette's character. My only gripe (me being Hungarian) was that they consistently mispronounced Erzsebet Bathory's name. It's pronounced Er-Jai-Bet (with a soft J, like in the French name Jaques), not Er-Zeh-Bet, folks!
Na they pronounce it right
@@treyrobertson7187 I AM Hungarian. I know the correct pronounciation
I just wish we had nocturne be longer. so we could REALLY get to know the characters, their struggles, their aims and goals, etc. I wanted to know MORE of everyone.
it's why I love olrox. he has motivations, his story and just his personality. the way he seems so DONE with everyone around him. how he isn't blindly loyal to Erzsebeth, but actually showed uncertain to her. and then also turning against her. the way he acts, not some blood thirsty sadistic monster. he kills when needed to. but doesn't kill blindly with no remorse. he's also shown to care and to have weakness. he was scared of erzsebet and was smart enough to know, he couldn't beat her.
Drolta also intrigued me, her modern sort of "dominatrix"/ succubus style of clothing and design intrigued me. she was SO different from the other vampires. and the fact she said she was a priestess of egypt, showed she's pretty old for a vampire.
also, the pacing was something I had issues with. not too bad. I still enjoy it. but... some arcs felt too rushed. annette and her slave master. she beats him when on a mission she wasn't even focused on. Or Richer regaining his magic in basically 1 episode.
also, I love how it's touching on how the night creatures aren't blind savage monsters. they are people. they do have souls and personalities. they show personalities, conflicts, and just feel alive. (while yes, the original series did do this. but it was nice to see more).
one more thing that I love of both Castlevania stories. is that it showed vampires having emotions. they seem so human despite being monsters. they have their ranging personalities. the scene where we see a vampire woman mourning the loss of her vampire husband pulled at my heart strings a bit. Hell, Erszebet dancing with the girl was quite cute, while also not forgetting she's a monster and fully acknowledging. she's just using the girl as a bloodbag and pet.
I don't like annette. now, I never played the games. so, it's not cause she was race swapped or changed. it's her personality. the way she blames others when she was at fault. She pushes out her trauma, about her slave master, yet she kinda brushed aside that richter also lost his mother to a vampire.
is nocturne absolutely terrible? of course not. is it as bad as so many people keep saying? no. but is it still good and will I still watch it? hell yes.
I believe Abbot and Erzabeth will be a major key plots in each future season here.
Season 2: The Dark Priest arc. Abbot’s ideals has turned warped has been fully converted as a dark servant of the night as he transforms into the Dark Priest shaft. The price for the new transformation? A virgin’s blood as he makes night creatures attack “Aljiba😂” to distract Richter thus kidnapping Annette & Maria anyways. Richter panics & searches for Juste as they plan a battle plan and a map (cue Rondo of Blood intro scene). He rescued Maria and teamed up to save Annette. After all the struggles getting to the Dark Priest’s dark church, Richter will face the Dark Priest in the end. Richter will face all the famous pop culture night creatures that he summons (Big Bat, Medusa, Mummy, and Frankenstein) & defeats him but his vengeful spirit lingers still as he said “No I won’t end it like this” (like in the Dracula X Chronicles) and performs a destructive magic around the church. Richter senses danger as he tells Maria and Annette to run as Shaft teleports Richter and posses him in the process leading to the future SOTN season.
Season 3: Erzabeth arc as she sends night creatures all around the world (Bloodlines stages) to spread her cult’s influence even more as we’ll get to see other Vampire hunters like John Morris and Eric Lecarde separately battling night creatures and vampires from their jurisdictions. Meanwhile Maria is also battling night creatures as she ran in search for Alucard after being rescued saying Richter hasn’t returned from facing Shaft as they hurry on to Erzabeth’s castle but night creatures blocks their path once more. After saving some parts of the world going to the final stage the 4 heroes was led to Erzabeth’s castle. The heroes battles her and defeats her but it’s too late as she summons a hell version of Castlevania to fulfills the final battle in Bloodlines and also sets up via Dracula’s resurrection in…
Season 4: Symphony of the Night as John is exhausted after using the fake cursed whip and Eric helps him & him also to return from their hometowns as Maria and Alucard continues their search for the Shaftwashed Richter. Death appears once more to take Alucard’s sword. The succubus’s sister tricks Alucard by warping the events of Lisa’s burning while telling him lies about the cruelty of humanity. Alucard knows it’s not real as he tries to call his sword and stabs the succubus and he’s snaps back to reality. Finally Alucard and Maria found a Richter but he wasn’t himself as they fight him but Maria tells Alucard she senses something behind Richter try to aim your sword there as they vanish Shaft’s ghost but his malice knows no bound as the castle’s was affected by shaft’s desire for blood lust and desire for true power as the castle becomes inverted as if going to hell itself to find the broken soul of Dracula. The castle is a creature of hell and together with shaft’s magic and lingering malice it controls the spirit of Dracula to remember the cruelty of humanity to confront 3 heroes.
Idk let’s see how Netflix will save this bloated show but those key points I said with each season should practically save the show without all the bloat inclusion BS and Agenda backstories.
Extra: As for Eduardo as he is a Devil which gives a lot of EXP in the games he will give his life happily to Richter in extension of his feelings to Annette this powering up Richter in the Final Stage: Bloodlines
I actually think the abbot might get a redemption scene.
Your idea sounds awesome but I doubt Netflix is smart as you sir.
@@krystofthepolishguytalksan310 I agree with you as our friend has brilliantly figured out how to actually turn the anime to the game plots without ruining either... that is genius as you say
my guy, you should make this a script and ask Konami if they like it too as you figured out just how to turn the anime into a true blend of the game plots and events and still keep on the thread they started. With IGA now in his own company, Konami should hire you to write the next Castlevania game, seriously you got a talent
Thanks for providing a better take on the series. Till now, I have mostly seen negative takes on the series, which are all complaining using the same mute points. For me, I believe the anger is less about the narrative being told, as the first castlevania series also deviated a lot. Rather, I think people are getting triggered by seing homoerotic and non-white stories as centerpieces to the story. Isaac from the first series, who was also raceswapped from a castlevania game, had a lot less controversy surrounding him, as his story could be delegated to a sidestory. Being bi-sexual and mostly into men myself, this reaction genuinly scares me. So thanks for showing me, that reasonable people exist.
I dont mind if writter took liberty to make a completely new adaptation. But the show is just bad even as a new makeover of Castlevania. The thing is Isaac is done right. He had a good writting. Annette? Not so much. They girlboss her too hard and made Richter like a side character. She's too arrogant, thinks she's always right and a Mary Sue. Hell, the whole writting is just bad. Bad pacing, bad dialogue, bad character chemistry. It has no continuity from previous Castlevania (eg; Richter who is a Belmont doesnt know what a nightcreature is? Riddiculous. The previous serious had Dracula gathering all the strongest Dracula but Erzsebet is nowhere in the prequel. Theres more but I wont flood it here). Watching it was a headache, I can only stomach till ep6.
Nerds are babies
I have to ask, in a show about vampire hunting, why do i have to sit through a lecture of Haitian slavery to get to the vampire hunting? Why do I, a black man, need to see non-white stories in a show set in white Europe, based on a game from Japan?
@@luliu4572 Because the writers want you to, so you can be impressed with their virtue siginaling.
@@luliu4572just consume product.
Yeah Wheel of Time, Rings of Power, and Willow were made by people who hate the source material, this may not be what everyone wanted it to be but it was definately made by people who understand and respect the source material. Richter has a moment of weakness so he can rise above it and only one character barades him for it and she later on grows as a charachter as well. They weren't "shitting on the one man to make the women look good" they were just giving everyone things to grow from, they were all badass as they were supposed to be though.
Perfectly said they seem to be using that he pretty young and had room to grow.
The source material is bad
They called him a coward for wanting to have a plan to invade what essentially was the enemy Castle
@@tigeruntamed6036 And they apologized afterwards
@@trashboat5388 Yes but why so ignorant in your arrogance in the first place
Part of the more negative reactions came as a result of how the previous series had a lot of added details that made it still have the source materials' feel. Meanwhile, Annette being a completely different character makes it have a similar feel to Megaman Fully Charged's Wily as "nobody would take issue if this character just had a different name". Made even more blatant because another kidnapped maiden from Rondo Of Blood, Tera, was given a closer design and role to the Annette of Dracula X Chronicles so I genuinely feel like Nocturne!Annette was given that name just because she's Richter's love interest.
It is hilarious to me that you're implying that the first season didn't likewise completely change all the characters.
@@Peasham not to this extent, given they still started out with their original motivations of stopping Dracula. Now that the background details that originally caused Dracula to be revived are instead the main focus (which is fair), the character motivations already start out very different on top of marketing screwing up before the show's even out by accidentally calling Richter Trevor's son, a detail that is true in neither continuity.
@@jvts8916 So every other massive difference is fine because they were fighting dracula?
objectively not bad show has potential but doesnt get executed properly. For example Annette interesting idea what they did to her but she comes of as unlijeablw to mc also their romance doesnt feel natrual. So liberties arent bad but execution very shit. One example of the opposite one peice alot of liberties but nicely done.
i really enjoyed the show, istg people are finding things to nitpick about it as if the OG show didn't have the exact same problems w dialogue and shitty pacing.
Noooo 😂
So after looking up what the actual mean of nitpicking, this goes completely against it cause these are minor problems.
Maybe people get the impression that the creators are ashame of the franchise because.
1 that is really common in Hollywood
2 Nocturne in particular change so much and it make even less references to the games, even if it was with monsters designs or music, but there Is barely any of that.
Could be said that those changes are for the better and how the original story was paper thin, but at some point it will just feel like is a different IP with castlevania names slap on them. Like how Annette is so different to the point were why is that her name. Because is going to get with Richter? Is that the only linking tissue?
The changes are for the better. Mainstream audiences don't understand the video game lore. Gamers are a bit intense hence why Henry Cavill's Injustice Superman didn't translate very well
The show has the potential to be superior to the first for me. I loved how complicated the characters are, flaws and all. I could understand how and why the characters made the choices they would make. Even if they were mistakes. I also kept their ages in mind when watching the show. Eduard has the potential of becoming my favorite character depending on how the story unfolds.
Count Olrox (オルロック, Orurokku?, lit. "Orlok") is a boss in Castlevania: Symphony of the Night. He rules the upper part of Dracula's castle. He has two forms: a normal vampire wearing a sumptuous armored suit and a giant reptile-like humanoid who can spew fireballs. Was actually a main character of the game same with the Succubus this guy didn't do his research or play the games. an I agree.
no it hasn't as none of the main villains of rondo of the blood or SotN main villains are there and not giving chaos references which were in SotN is shit in castlevania game lore standards.
@@johannessimola1615 Wrong again Count Olrox (オルロック, Orurokku?, lit. "Orlok") is a boss in Castlevania: Symphony of the Night The Succubus is as well she Just not a white red head.
@@shadowdouglas450 a boss yeah but not being around The term major boss and reverse draculas Castle they weren't there.
As such giving them any role before shaft is a joke like making a named side character a role
Ps how many Castlevania games have you 100%?
@@johannessimola1615 don't care. I'll be enjoying season two. While you keep crying and thinking you're witty by copy and pasting veiled Shaft comments on as many threads you can. You can't even be original with your own thoughts.
Pretty much the anime giving dracula a happy ending with lisa screwed everything up. Annette was Richters gf and got kidnapped by Shaft, along with Maria who is supposed to be her sister. They were taken to dracula’s castle after he was brough back to life by a cult. So richter met maria too soon and in the wrong circumstances, annette is a completely rewritten and re raced character. Richter destroys dracula and saves the day, but then shaft’s ghost possesses richter 10 years later and richter goes back to draculas castle so Alucard then shows up to free him with grown Maria’s help. Then Dracula shows up after richter is freed and alucard destroys him. The anime totally did not go along with the established lore as the first castlevania did.
You do realize Annette doesn’t have a character in the game… right? And Maria isn’t Annette’s sister, in the game she was a relative of the Belmont clan which is why she can do magic, which is transferred to the show.
Did you even watch the video? Or did you go straight to the coments to complain, since it sure feels like it considering he addressed these points of Dracula coming back, which worked for the games but for a long standing show not so much. Also, the games didn’t have much story in the first place till symphony honestly
@@10human7 Annette was 100% in Rondo but go ahead and defend this garbage. Drac coming back repeatedly is the whole reason the Belmont clan does what they do. Netflix Castlevania was not written for longtime fans of the games, it was written for casual anime enjoyers
@@NormalSauce57 of course it wasn't. The whole reason for animating a series is to give it a broader fan-base. Only passionprojects by smaller studios or fan-made stuff could ever get close to what you are expecting.
@@Curioushelvetic 1st netflix Castlevania largely adhered to events of the time of castlevania 3 and curse of darkness. The only thing they screwed up on was removing Grant as a character. They just did whatever they wanted with nocturne. And what they did to night creatures this go around is laughable
Agreed. I liked that they had him remember his love for his son….which made the episode “for love” have numerous layers. Later though he should’ve lost that humanity to give him a more evil villain change.
My introduction of Castlevania as a whole is through the first Castlevania series. I enjoyed the entire show (even though season 3 was really slow and kinda pointless in some places). I had no idea of the somewhat complicated lore (or lack of) from the video games. So when I saw that Nocturne would be taking place in France during the French Revolution in France, I immediately thought of Paris because, historically speaking, there would be so much death in the streets and corpses piled up, that it’d be perfect for aristocratic vampires to prey on people. I also thought that the head vampire person would be someone like Marie Antoinette or something. I was pretty disappointed that it took place in the middle of a (mostly empty) town in nowhere France.
The two characters I hated the most were Édouard and Annette, not because they were race swapped or anything, but because they’re just terrible characters overall. Annette’s character should’ve been its own independent character because she has a very interesting backstory, but her interactions with Richter and the rest of the gang felt way too comfortable for someone who just got done purging an island full of rich people. Like Trevor and Alucard didn’t really trust each other until like halfway through the show, even Supra didn’t fully trust Alucard until a few episodes later. She also is very self centered. Édouard is, in my opinion, a pointless character. I really hate his singing in every episode. I think the concept of a night creature being able to resist their masters commands is interesting, but only if it was ever mentioned between the two shows that sometimes the creation of night creatures can create some dis functional ones. Otherwise than that, I didn’t see the point of holding Édouard in a cell for multiple days if they weren’t going to study him or something, because you might as well just kill him. I like the gay Aztec vampire because he’s like the cringey gay fan fic character, it’s so bad and stupid that it’s actually kinda funny.
The story is slow and rather repetitive with the only good/awesome part is when Richter reawakens his magic and they play the bloodlines song. The plot between Maria and the priest is really stupid because Maria just says the same thing, like she’s Lennin at a communist rally in St. Petersburg, and I still don’t understand why the priest attacked Richter and Marie at their home with night creatures if the priest loved his daughter. Also, why wouldn’t the vampires know where Richter and the gang live? They were able to find him at a pond, so why not at a house outside of town? Another small gripe that doesn’t add to the plot but I felt I should mention is the potentially forced love relationship between Richter and Annette. I felt more romantic interest between Richter and that one revolutionary girl that lasted for a minute than between Richter and Annette throughout the whole season. Up until that point, I thought Annette loved Édouard. I only learned that Annette was race swapped and was Richters romantic partner in the video games after I watched Nocturne.
This season wasn’t terrible, but it’s heavily flawed. I would have to say that all the ideas were good, but it was executed poorly.
Why should Annette be uncomfortable with Ritcher??
She spent a lot of time in search for him and met him fighting night creatures.
Then they had a discussion about the political climate in France and their region along with the presence of vampires. (Which they all collectively hate).
Eduard was a decent character, but I also hated his singing lol.
Alucard couldn’t trust any Belmont because Belmonts hunt his kind- vampires. And Belmonts would subconsciously be wary of vampires.
@@Quick_silver007bro why you using all this logic and reason 😮
Éd’s singing is probably the only thing you and Erzsebet agree on. Of course Olrox of all peeps knows what the lyrics are implying
its just a bad show no matter how he slices it
its fine to hate annette cause of race swap that doesn't make you "bad" for that especially when it roots to why she's so terrible, its just cheap tokenism to preach slavery bad in a plot that doesn't need it and her to downplay everything as "not as bad as my past" cause Oppression Olympics of the writer's, thats just high agenda pushing
and as a result it ruins the rest of the story, time wasted to preach to the audience can't be ignored
same to Church bad message cause easy target, imagine them trying that to any other religion, they wouldn't dare, its tiring
even his Reawakening is bad cause they waste it pointlessly and makes no sense, they DIDN'T EARN THE REAWAKENING and ruin it by him talking "i was gonna say something epic but FUCK IT" is so marvel humor and its just horrendous
@@marcusclark1339I don't think you paid attention to this video much. It feels like you're ignoring the French revolution theme to try and rant about your own political views that are in opposition to your perception of the show's political views. If you don't like the show, that's fine, I just don't think your review is coming from a very genuine place.
i liked the show, i saw no problem with the new characters, don't know why people are saying this season is woke or something, i prefer variety in the characters.
Because it has slavery in it. Americans are uncomfortable with their own history, ironic since they wrote it.
its shit as they brake cannon of rondo of tghe blood and SotN while claiming the show is based on them.
@@williampearson6299don't forget all the LGBTQ bullshit lmao
@@williampearson6299certain Americans are uncomfortable, that's why they're trying to ban or waterdown slavery in some schools
@@johannessimola1615”based on” doesn’t mean it’s gonna be a direct one-to-one copy. They’re not even in the same canon
I liked the show but I have never played a Castlevania game so I'm fresh to the world of Castlevania but my opinion is I love it and I'm gonna ignore the hate towards Nocturne. Castlevania was a good show I loved Trevor and Sypha their relationship made me laugh so much and the fight scenes in both are pretty good
So that means you pretty much have no say since you dont know anything about the series
thats a good mentality tbh. just cause others hate something doesnt mean you cant like it.
@Mkj119 L opinion. Let the guy enjoy what he enjoys. And also Just because the creators didn't make the exact one to one remake you were hoping for doesn't mean it's not a good series. It's a bit flawed, and It's not what you were expecting. Just enjoy that castlevania as a series is finally getting the hype it deserves
Totally with you on this. There's two reasons I've seen people rag on this show: 1 ) it's not exactly like Rondo of Blood 2) Secondary characters being different-coloured.
I'm in a weird camp where I think Nocturne might be actually the better series. It's missing a bit of Warren Ellis's snarky humor but it's also missing all of his worst excesses as a writer - anyone saying Nocturne 'drags' must be forgetting how much frigging time the first series burned on waffly navel-gazing philosophical monologues and character arcs going around in circles.
Nocturne feels fast-paced to me by comparison, and the tight focus on a handful of heroes who are REALLY NOT WINNING gives it a real feel of, heh, stakes, in a way that feels more personal than Dracula's mostly-offscreen genocidal war. Our guys are losing people every time they clash with their enemies, they're baddasses but not invulnerable superheroes, they're fighting a war and it's an ugly war where they could sacrifice everything and still lose. The grief and tragedy hit hard.
As for Richter, keeping in mind that this is very likely as you've pointed out, more like a prologue setting up its version of Rondo. I love how very different he was to our man Trevor and I love that they're showing him growing INTO the hot-blooded unstoppable shonen hero from the games that he clearly wants to be. He doesn't have to start there. It's boring as fuck if he does. Character development is a thing. Trevor got plenty. I think people should just relax and give it time.
I'm wondering if the peopl who have such a problem with Annette and Olrox had the same problem with Isaac, since they did the same thing with him. What are they defending? Game Annette's entire character was "Richter's girlfriend. Maria's sister. Blonde." They have changed 2/3 of those things, she's clearly still Richter's eventual love interest, and since they shuffled the familial relations a bit so Richter is a (distant) blood relative to Maria, it's PROBABLY for the best that Maria not be Annette's sister. Making her a capable combatant allows them to involve her in the action and not keep her as a sidelined damsel, all the characters can fight.
Oh, and she's black, and I guess people are mad about that for totally not racist reasons. Look, I'll believe them when they complain just as loudly about Tera being Maria's mother, blonde, and clearly a Sypha descendant instead of a noncombatant black-haired village nun, that's just as big a change.
Game Olrox was just a bald vampire buddy of Dracula's who turns into a weird lizard monster. That's it. Sure, it's weird seeing him with HAIR (beautiful, beautiful hair...) but I think taking the original mistranslation of "Orlok" as inspiration to make a baddass mesoamerican vampire antihero out of a dude who was really just a nifty boss fight is pretty cool. To me he's the most interesting character on the show.
Really I don't see any difference between Olrox and Annette and Isaac. They took thinly-sketched or nonexistant game characters and made them infinitely richer and more interesting people. I don't think there's a comparison between Game Isaac and Show Isaac in terms of depth and there's even less with Annette because - WHAT character - and sure she got turned into a vampire in one story ending in the games, BUT they've clearly just given that story to a different character...for now.
This is also just SEASON ONE. Remember the first Season One? It was decent, but nowhere near as good as Season 2. Nocturne feels more focused, there's no random tangents like the extended goat-fucking joke or the whole Sumi/Taka plotline, or the fact that Carmilla and Isaac's storylines are total sidequests and they never even meet the protagonists, or (even as a game fan I'll acknowledge this) the Final Final Boss coming out of freaking NOWHERE if you aren't already fan of the games. I loved the first show, Trevor/Sypha/Alucard were amazing, Dracula was amazing, the action and dialogue were a lot of fun, but taking off rose-coloured glasses, it had its flaws, and Nocturne fixes a lot of them, and that's a good thing.
I guess I'm saying that I wish people would chill out and give things a chance. I love the games, I loved both shows, and I'm excited that we are getting more epic Castlevania stories in 2023.
I agree. It has its flaws, but some arcs were done pretty well. It's also much more ambitious than the previous seasons for better or for worse, but I personally like it.
The show is Awesome. People are hateful Theses days…
You're misunderstanding them. It's not 'hate', it's just that they are very passionate about the franchise and they just wanted a more faithful adaptation of Rondo of Blood. While I disagree with some of the major criticisms they have, I do understand where they're coming from. Writing it off as just hate for the sake of hate isn't helpful to anyone.
@@BradLad56I will say some of them for sure but A LOT just want to hate media involving anything WOKE which doesn't mean anything more then anything they feel uncomfortable with. Hey maybe I'm wrong but it certainly feels like we are in that age of outrage.
How are people hateful? Are they hateful for pointing out the many flaws in this series..? Why are you rejecting their opinions to prop up your own? Just curious.
@lpk6372 Yeah, I don't mind fair critcism, but I've seen lots of people throw that word around so carlessly.
@@lpk6372 Woke is the insertion of moderns day elements while sacrificing writing, storyline, plotlines, and character development. Woke is used to sum it up, because those added elements will be used to attack and dismiss any legitimate criticism of an I.P.
You can’t deny that the original Castlevania series was just leagues above Nocturne. In the first 5 minutes we met Lisa and Dracula and was immediately drawn in by their charm and wit. Nocturne just didn’t have that in season one. It feels like Castlevania original made me care about it more in 4 episodes than Nocturne did in 8. That’s a problem. Perhaps they should have stretched and divided Season 1 across two seasons so we could have more character interaction? Unfortunately, Warren Ellis was obviously the architect behind the original’s success and his absence in Nocturne is glaring.
Funny... because i remember a lot a people saying that the first season of the first series was too short and didn't give much.
It had moments, like Dracula and Lisa's moment, but the first season was really short, but it was something new, and people were prepared to wait.
The first series only really came in itself on the second season.
The only complaint i have is how he got his super magic back, the rest is pretty good
Not hate but definitely criticism.
Your criticism is flawed because this is geared towards a female audience, nerds consistently have issues when properties lean towards relationships and romance. They say it's lowers the property but GIRLS have different interests. Ever watch Buffy The Vampire Slayer or Twilight or Star Wars Prequels. Nerds hated the prequels because they focused on Anakin and Padme's romance. To be fair, George Lucas SUCKS at writing romance. Guys prefer season long episode preparing for a fight like in Dragonball Z, why isn't that considered terrible?
@@williampearson6299 you really fished a lot out of my five word sentence. A lot of projection. Geared towards girls…. When the overall majority of fans are male…. Yep that’s smart.🤪
@@80sMoviesRule1 Precisely. Companies have been making an effort to gain female viewership in animation, and engagement in video games. We are moving towards the Metaverse, right? They need everyone logged inside the matrix - especially women
@@80sMoviesRule1 William here is a prime example of somebody that is in love with the smell of their own farts. Been reading through the comments on this video, and Ol' Willie here has copy/pasted this exact comment at least 4 times prior as a response to other commenters, not to mention the pretty whiny retorts lil' Willie has made.
If your not gonna focus on the French Revolution don't have that setting in your story. The French Revolution was hell. The show make it seem like a mild annoyance 😂
It's not a documentary...LOL! People find the dumbest things to complain about.
Everyone hates on this show, but if I had never seen it, I would have never watched the og show because i thought nocturne was so good. I gave the og a chance
I think nerds trash it because they're uncomfortable with confronting their own history. They only like to embrace the heroic history, not the time they were the villains. Even though, vampires are the villains, it's got nothing to do with race or "woke".
I don’t understand the hate. Its a quality show. I like the story and the music and visuals. Its only going to get better
Maybe thats enough for you but some people just don't like many changes to something they already have a partual knowelge about it.
@@spinosaurusstriker I understand that, but it’s based on a video game, it needs something to fill it out as a show, unless it already has a complex story like God of War. But hey, to each their own
@@spinosaurusstrikeryou people got to get over this. The thing about designs, is that they're going to change. Tons of content gets alternated from their previous sources, I'm sorry
Nah the writing and characters are hot garbage. I can sum up every character in a single sentence thats how one note they all are.
I'd love a new game done in the style of the games.
I loved Nocturne but I've only played Lords Of Shadow so I probably didn't find it blasphemous.
A new game in the style of the games?
I'm going to assume you ment in the style of the show?
Play the games you'll probably enjoy at least half of them.
That's how brain dead you people who like this show are
even Castlevania lore isnt conststent, some have trevor be the son of alucard, some have maria being a child in SoN, some even have dracula be gabriel belmont and the father of alucard. revisions and adaptions is a big part of Castlevania.
@@Xxxkiller101 those games weren't made by the same companies.
genuine question; I haven't played the games, but after the first show I got interested in the story/lore. From what I gather and what my brother (who has played the games) has told me, Dracula placing a curse or curses on the Belmont family and being revived various times seems to be, in general, the central evil the heroes fight against. If you change that you change the story in a big way. I can understand if you say that it would get boring him being the bad guy all the time (though I think the show can get away with maybe 2 or 3), but wouldn't that mean that a faithful adaptation (not necessarily one to one) just isn't possible? With the exception of the first time, obviously. It's like if you said "I don't think people wanna watch a blue hedgehog run around leaving a blue trail everywhere he goes" when talking about a sonic adaptation. If that were true (it obviously isn't) I could understand why people would think that, but wouldn't that mean that a faithful sonic adaptation isn't possible? That comparison might not be the best, but you get what I'm trying to say.
Dracula had a master plan of hating god yet his former best friend Leon Belmont swore to his clan will fight him. Dracula comes back 100 year later that's went he met Alucard's mother and that's where the first series of the show picks up on. Yet in the games Dracula is a puppet of cultists and the castle itself. As it is shown he and Death are tied together and each time they're brought back they're weakened. There's a whole subplot that Dracula hates being brought back which is first shown in Rondo of Blood. After SotN, there's other hunters than the Belmonts since Richter is the "last one" until 1999. The WHOLE point is that Dracula MUST comeback
@@ExeErdna so the threat of dracula coming back is essential to the story. maybe they'll implement that in later seasons of nocturne. i hope.
@@Sporadic_Order Since Dracula's power is outright exploited by humans
Internet doesnt know the difference between hate and critic. The one who call it woke exist, but there are others who dont agree with the story telling quality. And guess what? Even them doesnt hate the show. It's not from hate that castlevania nocturne struggle with, it's the absence of nuance and the propention of people to either put you on extreme right or extreme left from a commentary on a show that, lets be frank, is neither.
There’s people like myself who laugh at the series too.
@@AdrianFahrenheitTepes And you have all the right for doing so
Was Nocturne as great as the first one?
Not 100% but Nocturnes been a fun ride, though I admit 2-4 more episodes add a lil more spice like more character development for Richter and how he and Maria first met (though it might be seen in Season 2, who knows).
It doesn't deserve the hate and those who call it w0ke are friggin weird, man.
It's at least an 8/10 on my end.
it was bad, liking it for its animation doesn't mean it was good
it doesn't need more episodes, that just means it WASTED the time it actually had on storylines that weren't needed
the cheap slavery inclusion, race swap annette's character, church bad messaging and revolution ALL COULD OF BEEN CUT to focus on the ACTUAL plot - FIGHTING VAMPIRES
how that became secondary shows how bad the show is
and never downplay a story actually being agenda pushing, if they can preach about it then u CAN TALK ABOUT IT
Nocturne's first season was better than the first season of the original.
i've never even seen the show got hate, it was awesome, i thought it was well recieved.
it was a bad show
literally nothing happened the whole season that couldn't be skipped
changing Annette ruined her entire character to shove in a pointless subplot of slavery
church bad messaging cause its easy for media to smear the church, its neither new nor interesting
Maria revolutionary is pointless
and Richter's "awakening" was unearned and wasted the moment he started talking
They call it Wokevania, by the usual TH-camrs that only have content talking about what that hate. The show's success only makes them madder.
@@marcusclark1339 go touch some grass you purist
There are haters, but the reception is really good. The haters are just a very vocal minority.
Finally a review that says the show isn't perfect but was pretty good, I'm kind of sick of everyone just giving it a complete praise or complete hate. Pretty much have the same criticisms as you do, except I also think that some of the writing wasn't the best at times, and Richter's voice actor I thought just didn't sound right at times, but at other times was great so kind of a wash there.
The show's action and overall plot I thought was pretty good and the ending was great, just a couple middle episodes that I really didn't care for as much. Also I feel that richter kind of got his magic powers out of nowhere, I understand it was supposed to symbolize overcoming trauma but going from 0 to 100 in a story moment is just never something I really like, it's just too convenient.
it's not a bad season it has it's flaws
its bad because of the claims of following rondo of the blood and SotN storylines while literally ignoring them all from main villain casts.....
But every media has its flaws.
My only gripes with the show was how they did their investigations at the wrong time of day. When Maria's mom said it was time to wait, Annette said no, and it was time for action or whatever. I said to my brother, "It is sunset, it is literally the time to wait because if you go now it will be nighttime." What happens? It's nighttime when they get to the mansion. Why are there 4 of them? Then when they go to investigate the church they open their secret passageway in the middle of the day. Nobody saw this and said, "That's weird." How long were they down there? Not sure, but when they leave the sun is still out. Even if it was only 1 hour, half the town must have known about this secret passage. That's the one to do in the middle of the night. Assuming your secret passage door doesn't wake up the neighborhood.
Aside from that, I liked it. I especially liked when Richter said, "I'm the stupid one, so why am I the only person in the room wondering why we don't have a plan?" It's not gonna go well when the stupid one is the smartest person in the bunch. It wasn't even like he was secretly smart or something. Trevor was a savant. Richter's a himbo.
I will say I do like this season a lot And I'm shocked that is getting so much hate however I do recognize It does have some flaws And I think the biggest flaw is that the writing just isn't as strong as the previous season since Warren Ellis it's not on the helm of this series so even character funny banter isn't as strong as the previous season.
I still think it's good enough but there is room for improvement.
Finally someone uses their brain to review the series.
there were too many brain dead takes in youtube
MYKZ PLAZE does good reviews. I watch a lot his videos, they're well researchers
MangaKamen also makes a well-thought review of what´s severely lacking with Nocturne. Not being 100% based on Rondo of Blood or the race swaps are the least of this show´s problems.
It´s just that most detractors tend to pick those two arguments because they are the easiest to use.
The pacing issues with the first half of this season did put me off for a while, but then I remembered that when I look back at S1 and S2 of the first Castlevania series, it was clearly a flaw I could overlook, especially with how the latter half of Nocturne went. I'm also a sucker for when fantasy worldbuilding in a real historical setting incorporates a global approach to magic and mythology, so seeing Haitian vodou and Olrox's feathered serpent transformation completely won me over.
Weird to think that Simon must have just been fighting Vampires since there hasn't been any night creatures since Trevor's days. Ah well, if they ever did decide to circle back and take on Simon they could come up with something interesting. Wonder if Juste will talk about his grandpa!
Oh, I know who I'd want Simon to fight. The beast people - maybe even Cornell closer to the Lords of Shadows version. They were mentioned earlier by Carmilla so I'm sure they could cause some good trouble.
is said in the series that before the forgemasters, nightcreatures were created with magic and other things. so its possible that simon could actually encounter some of then if he's someday getting his arc adapted
@@cauabertoldo7692 i suppose that line that said no one had seen one for 300 years could have been a bit of a hyperbole. or was that there hasn't been a forgemaster in 300 years? i don't remember, guess i'll have to watch each episode a third time.
I'm looking forward to season 2 BTW
Hate? This series is fantastic and with much more believable and fascinating characters. Furthermore, it is devoid of those comic skits present in the previous seasons and which had nothing to do with Castlevania. It is a more adult, mature and also better drawn series.
More adult? Dropping f bombs in places not needed is mature?
This series didn't work for me because of the world building. While I was at first fascinated by the setting being during the French Revolution, it was terribly executed. All the Vampires are aristocrats and somehow MOST of the citizens know exactly where all they all are - practically on the otherside of town. These were the years of Maximilien Robespierre who drove mass executions by guillotine against anyone even hinting support for the old rule of law. Those vampire havens would have been raided, overrun, and cinders within weeks. French revolution + mass hysteria vampires would bring = vampire's plot and story line never getting off the ground given the historcal context
Loved Nocturne. I’m sorry but the hate seems so childish to me and there so many people making pointless videos convincing others to hate it . Keep hating call cause we getting a season 2 and I’m here for it.
It’s not childish to point out the show has flaws, is way too bloated with plot/character building that doesn’t go anywhere, because it’s a measly 8 episode season. There are legitimate grievances with the show that indicate it’s not as good as the OG series. Just because your fee-fees don’t like what people are saying doesn’t make them wrong.
@@greyknight627 okay let me rephrase myself I’ve seen nothing but childish arguments. Like this one. The character building was great and gave focus to the whole crew unlike the oh series that just focused really on 3 characters. The OG shows have short seasons too so again just pointless reason honestly I said what I said. 🤷🏾♂️ I’m not mad tho we getting a season 2 to explore there characters more so is fine by me.
@@greyknight627 Your criticism is flawed because this is geared towards a female audience, nerds consistently have issues when properties lean towards relationships and romance. They say it's lowers the property but GIRLS have different interests. Ever watch Buffy The Vampire Slayer or Twilight or Star Wars Prequels. Nerds hated the prequels because they focused on Anakin and Padme's romance. To be fair, George Lucas SUCKS at writing romance. Guys prefer season long episode preparing for a fight like in Dragonball Z, why isn't that considered terrible?
My biggest criticism against Nocture is that there are way too many coincidences piled on the other.
It felt too convenient that Richter went into a tavern with Juste in it AND a vampire attacks out of the blue.
Eduard “somehow” has his sentience as a night creature.
Orlox just so happens to be in Europe.
And many more.
I agree with Eduard somehow sentience but juste told richter he was always close by so richter running into him once in like how many years isn’t that far out, also the vampires were actively looking for richter and followed him there so no a coincidence. Lastly Orlox literally is said to be there because to meet the vampire messiah he didn’t just happen to be in Europe.
The abbot isn't a real forgemaster. Isaac and Hector knew what they were doing, while this guy just bought a machine and its instruction manual from some random demon.
It absolutely deserves all of the hate. The core fan base, ya know the people that grew up playing Castlevania want more accurate adaptations of the IP we grew up with. Not these awful shows where they cherry pick events from different games to "make their own story". The dialog is horrible as is the injection of various forms of politics and the unneeded disingenuous race swapping of characters is also horrible. If they absolutely have to take creative liberties at least go the extra mile and make the affirmative action characters original characters. Not my Castlevania.
Issue with that, is that the original series as well wasn't faithful with the source material and that show has MANY fans and made Castlevania much bigger. So, when Nocturne was announced, literally everyone knew that this show wouldn't be extremely faithful to Rondo of Blood and would tell its own story just like what the original show did.
I would like to disagree, the series DOES deserve the hate but NOT for the reasons everyone is using to give it hate
Let’s be real I think a lot people hate this series mostly because of the colorful cast let’s . I love the cast and characters
its a bad show with bad characterization caused by writers thinking they push any hamfisted agenda with no pushback, race swapping Annette ruined her character cause it was done to INCENTIVIZE making it about slavery which shows the real point, the writer's wanted to shove in story about that and used Annette to do it, making her entire plot separate from the main one
same to revolution and Church bad messaging, what does any of that have to do with why we're here, to watch vampires fight vampire hunters, that's why its terrible, its done for cheap agenda pushing and tokenism so they can get praise by media for "inclusion and diversity" by making them one note
its just a bad show once u actually think about it
@@marcusclark1339In the original games, Annette was mostly just a plot point, so any added characterization is welcome. So, I don't believe in this fake swap outrage. I agree they should have handled Annette's character arc better, but black characters simply just existing isn't "woke", and people definitely need to go outside
@@june2613 For real. It's a series about revolution and which ethnic group has needed the most freedom from oppression? Those European peasants think they have it bad, whereas in Haiti people were literally being dismembered in the streets by the Spanish.
@@marcusclark1339 again when I say pointless arguments this is what I mean. The changes made to characters made actual historical sense. Annette got more development then the game with an amazing backstory but you probably couldn’t see past the color right? People acting like Castlevania had the deepest story which it didn’t not a bad story but was never that deep the show really does a great job at flushing everything out just like the last series. It’s not a bad show you’re just mad lol keep crying about it buddy lol I can’t wait to see my mixed Belmonts 😈
Don't make this about race that's the losers scapegoat
People love to hate. Even the original Castlevania everyone hated Isaac in the beginning now they love him.
This is an absolutly great show. I have no clue about the games, but this is just fun to watch.
Low IQ watcher
Don't worry, you're the main percentage. As someone who loves Symphony of The Night and Rondo of Blood, it's mostly just loud hardcore fans or outrage baiting youtubers that are making a big deal about it. Most people are just enjoying it for what it is, most of the hardcore game fans aren't really against it either, they just have criticisms that they hope are improved which is okay.
That's kind of the problem though... the story is good but it doesn't feel like a Castlevania story. Belmonts have always fought all sorts of vampires, but almost every main playable Belmont has fought Dracula, and/or Death, I just don't see how they'll reintroduce either of them. I loved the first series but the way it ended off didn't leave much room for compelling future stories.
I dunno, maybe I just don't like the way they handled certain characters and maybe I just don't see the new generation of vampires as much of a threat compared to the last one. I dunno
I may not like the show but that could just be it not being for me
If people like it, who am I to say they shouldn't
@@faintduch6630I can agree on that, Dracula has no reason to be evil. But death could come back, based on the way they portrayed it death in that show was just a being that ate death, not actually death. But as someone who has played the games there's only so much you can do when adapting games with simpler stories and formulas.
I would love a Castlevania animation with Simon Belmont as protagonist, but that animation would be probably a 2 hours or less lenght animation movie, not a series part.
Just finished the series and loved. Can't see anything to hate in it.
The problem is the writing is still bad. If you made a shoe about richter going through the castle fighting various popular monsters, confronting shaft, death, and dracula it would've probably been better than what we have right now. I never expect a perfect adaptation, however I don't like diverging from source material to make an inferior product. If you diverge, then you have to make it better
I think people need to let a property have room to grow. The first Castlevania did its job with the world building. But we always want new audiences. Gaming industry is pretty male dominated, and women like relationships and romance. Nocturne was written differently like it had a female CORE audience in mind. That's why nerds are complaining, they don't like that at all, they prefer mission and action. A single day in Dragonball Z dragged on an the entire Winter season anticipating and prepping for a fight. Girls are not sticking around for that unless it's about a romance.
I found it weird that Annette was race swapped and then written with every trope and stereotype 🙄. I’m black and I hated the black character so much because she was written so badly.
She was the best character. Belmont was the worse, almost made the show unwatchable cause of him
@@stevewonder6951 nope not in my opinion.
@@Epiphanystone My wife is black and she loves Annette. She thinks that this is how they should make Vixen on DC. And it's weird how your icon is of a white person when you harbour such hate for a black character too. Kind of gives off the impression of self hate.
@@williampearson6299a White commie talking about racial self hatred is absolutely INSANE
It is all because there are still people who wanted Dracula to be tortured for Eternity in Castlevania.
And, because Richter’s enemy isn’t him but rather Bathory and Orlox, that makes the show unlikable.
BS.
Bathory was never Richter's foe, though. She and Drolta were shoehorned in for whatever reason, when they should have been saved for a potential Bloodlines series.
The hate I saw online mostly revolves around the race changes, especially for anette. Which is utterly bullsh*t to me. Sure her race is changed, but it's also explained and fits in the narrative and world. It's interesting to see hatian revolutionist work alongside french revolutionist. Sure her character could've been handled better, but it's nowhere near as bad as the hater seems to think. It's honestly terrifying to see people just being openly racist towards the show, and masks it as a "insult towards the source material". Imo the changes adds a lot to the world building, like orlox being an aztec. I mean we already saw supernatural beings and cultures in europe in the first one, now it we also know that there's still a lot of things that we hasn't know yet. Personally I like nocturne more because of their uses of music, it feels more dramatic and iconic. Although I still think the dialogue is on the edgier side like the first one, I mean they use the word fu*k too often that it becomes annoying. Like listening a teenager discovering curse words and now adds it to every conversation. As for the characters I like them, they feel human, except for ersebet. I don't really like ersebet, she has this way of talking that just feels like it came out of a playstation 1 castlevania game.
Oh trust me, Annette being handled more accurately would've made her INFINITELY worse, as in, a non-character, so it is absolutely racism, especially when they pretend to be fans of the original series.
@@Peasham That's bullshit. You don't know Annette was supposed to bring back Carmilla which would have been the ultimate test for Richter can he SAVE HER since Leon was unable to save Sara from a simular situation. You've could have been eating so much better
@@ExeErdna Carmilla? Leon? Huh?? No, having Annette have zero personality and having her be essentially a mcguffin Richter has to save as she does and says nothing wouldn't, in fact, be me eating better. Turning a non-character into a character is a good thing, in fact.
@@Peasham Your annette is a statement the one people wanted is a character. Trust the material, tourist
@@ExeErdna For the love of god learn how to speak English, what you just said makes absolutely zero sense.
The people who say the writing is bad I think mean 1 of two things. Either the dialogue is bad or the narrative of the story is bad. I'm in the opposite boat to both of these thoughts actually. The dialogue of the young cast is written true to each's character. I like that Maria comes off whiny, Richter sounds unsure of ideas presented, Anette is impulsive and emotional. Why? Because those are faults in the characters that we can see them start to grow out of by the end of the season. They're also all pretty damn young compared to our previous cast, so things like obnoxious amounts of swearing just come with the territory at times. To the latter argument to those who don't like the story and how it deviates from the game or how "slavery is bad" is so obvious it hurts I'd like to make a few other observations. As someone who hasn't played any of the games the story holds it own and kept me interested due to introducing many villians. You have the messiah and her right hand, the slave owner, the french marquee, Olrox, the abbot and Mizrit, and the bounty hunter vamp leader. From what I've heard people describe in simple terms about a true game adaptation the story would be SO linear I can't imagine how it would be interesting. I was hooked episode to episode because I didn't know what fight I was going to see or who might be making a final appearance. As for "slavery is bad, duh" I appreciate that they are approaching the idea in parallel with the supernatural, not just the vampires and humans, but the night creatures as well. The most compelling character and hero of the first castlevania series for me was Isaac. His arc was more intriguing and unpredictable than any other character because he was at odds with his own perception of the world throughout the story. When he first spoke to the fly night creature it began raising so many questions about something else I'd argue is a unique spotlight in the series, the forgemasters. This season we get even deeper exploring the consequences of inhabiting the dead with souls from hell, but we get more of a twist in that the forgemaster conducting the magic is a man of god. Or perhaps the machine being used was passed down by a former forgemaster(follower of Isaac perhaps) that wanted to do away with the shackles of servitude of hellspawn and grant them true freedom. While the connection shard between Ed and Annette has meaning I don't believe it is the reason for his consciousness being retained. Traditional slavery is depicted as a reminder of the period, but we also get to glimpse at modern slavery as the aristocrats have brokered a piece with the vampires and subjugate the lower/middle class to the worst consequences of that deal. With the supernatural night creatures beginning to break their shackles for the first time in the series we see the black/white lines of slavery start to be blurred. Is it slavery if they don't even know they're slaves? Is it slavery if they've been condemned to hell? (I'm thinking this to be alluding more to modern prison systems)
That's just a one narrative subplot though. We also have ancient god feuds, war vs. peace, sun vs. night. And don't get me started on Olrox. This vampire has more to him than any standalone vampire from the first four seasons.
The show doesn't do some things as good as the first season, but that's fine because for me it does other things much better.
Americans are triggered over their own history. I wonder what the rest of the world thinks. Should we just erase this part of history from stories everytime a show or movie is set here?
Nocturne wasn’t perfect by any means but the potential is there for season 2. It just needs more love in the writing department
There's reason why people are mad that Richard is not as powerful because he is the end of the Belmont. The reason why he's in smash. Many other stuff he's the little inn and the most powerful is of the Belmont.
The story reason to why that isThe Dracula saw the Belmont's getting stronger each and every time and Richter was so strong that he got corrupt. It was used to resurrect Dracula But this result in him being cursed and the Belmont's for centuries can't use the whip.
And this resulted in other people rising up the fight against Dracula in their place.
It's also result in Alucard looking into other people who can use the whip that are Blood related to the Belmont.
Which he succeeded in but unfortunately for them that bloodline can use it but it ends up killing them if they use the web too much.
Result in the main MC from bloodline dying His son release Richter spirit. And destroys the curse that prevents the bell mouse from using it and Richter's spirit says thank you for releasing Him and frame his family from his curse after You defeat him and the Diaz game. It's result centuries later to a new bell mock the pop out to help fight against Dracula the last of them which is the end of the story. But hes not as powerful as Richter unfortunately.
I say it again right this supposed to be really goddamn powerful because he represents the end of them. Seriously you just took a straightforward story and I don't know you can act stuff in it but you couldn't as captive as it is by adding more towards it. But what get me mad is they d powered the vampire killer to all hell like that thing should murdering Every night creature Every night creature should fear it which is a thing of the games but some powerful beings are just like it or vampires be like oh anyway.
Seriously what if sonic 3 did that too which is do sonic adventure 2 which is my favorite game and story.
Imagine someone's Taking a straightforward story which easily could be made into a movie Does it really doesn't need any changes how you don't even need to change the music because every music in that game fits the story you don't need no modern day dumb music plan.
Shadow versus the Bio Lizard Which support me is playing. And the entire lyrics of that song is shadow and when he's going to. Hell each care to theme song Represents the theme of the game which is live and learn. Sonic it doesn't matter which I love that song.
I'm a status as a scenario I hope it doesn't happen imagine if the The black lady from the second movie comes out of nowhere and tells shadow he's a grip off his ass and save the world because what he went through is as what black people go. While on the ark Or something along those lines. And you know they would probably do something like that.
Hell or even change the music of each senorial to some modern day slang that you hear on a radio or in kids Parties.
I loved the OG Castlevania show, I HATED Nocturne. It wasn’t just because they got stuff “wrong,” they made a mess of everything (pulling from drastically disjointed games, putting in WAY too much plot for too many different characters, not nearly enough action, and fundamentally changing many characters to be unrecognizable from their VG counterparts). The OG series was clearly developed with honoring the game franchise it came from. Nocturne was anything but that. It was bloated, confusing, and a pale shadow of its predecessor.
For example, putting it into the backdrop of the French Revolution may look like it made sense, but it does NOTHING for the narrative. It was a waste, unimportant, and had 0 impact on the show other than its mentioned. You could remove it and nothing would be lost.
Also, Orlox WAS a Castlevania character and did show up in Symphony of the Night, Moonlight Rhapsody, and in the 2037 era game.
That's your opinion.
@@williampearson6299 A valid one. You, however, have none.
Couldn't have said it better, i don't have issue with criticism towards the show, but a lot of the hate is completely unwarranted and bad faithed
seeing alot of hate from people who don't know history. great points
I have absolutely no problem admitting the faults of this show. Zero backstory on Maria or showcase of how or why she got her powers? Sure. While I wouldn't call it plot convenience considering Olrox isn't a generic villain, it not yet being explained why he didn't kill Richter as a kid? Absolutely. I could go on, but I won't, because the writers won't get to hear any actual constructive criticism due to believers in a certain ideology attempting to dominate discourse surrounding the series, and they ain't in the business of caring about art, we know this, the writers know this, yet they're drowning out all the actual criticism, so I can only hope the writers figure out their failings on their own, as these people certainly aren't helping.
Yes, it does deserve the hate. It's a damn mess. I'm fine with creators taking liberties with established characters and lore but I'll call it out when they completely miss the mark. Castlevania seasons 1 and 2 were good, seasons 3 and 4; wtf but still watchable, and Noctourne is more wtf, a heavy dose of cringe, and barely watchable, for me at least.
At least point out where you found the negatives
Only because Dracula isnt the Belmonts’s punching bag anymore?
But what exactly do you not like about it
Cut out the edge and be cohesive, where is the mess you point to?
The female protagonist is insufferable, the story is all over the place, I don't care about any of the characters due to poor development, the story creator shoehorns a sociopolitical agenda that's been shoved down our throats by the current establishment and legacy media for 7 years straight, and the sad part is that inspiration could have been pulled from just about any, B-rated isekai anime to end up with better characters and plot.
Finally! Some INTELLECTUAL discourse on this show. I’m so tired of people complaining about Annette, Complaining that the show is too “political”, or just crying about “bad writing” (even though the show is cleverly constructed). You get a thumbs up for not being a mushed brain crybaby!
Hehe I guess I am one of the mushed brain crybaby😅 but I genuinely want to know which parts were good writing? (Sometimes I have trouble looking at the bigger picture).
I think the show is good: animations is stellar and characters are really interesting! I just thought the story was all over the place (attempting to cram everyone’s character developments in 8 episodes). Or that the only way the story progressed was because of outside coincidental forces (Olrox revealing himself when they went to find Eduord, Juste Belmont just happened to be in the town Ritcher ran off to, or the vampire hunters passing by the seemingly nowhere town) rather than a character doing something outside of their own accord (like how the gang went to the island to see what was popping). I suppose there was no driven force and more reaction? I dunno, I guess I wish I had seen an amalgamation of the two. But what do you think?
No, you are not proud of that crowd pal, your points are actually pretty interesting and valid, your comment is actually the first one i see addressing these points.@@borahtae
People always hate change. I loved the changes.
At first watched I loved Nocturne and couldn't understand the hate but after seeing the reviews I understand the criticism. I still love it but I see the flaws and the plot holes like the priest sides with the vampires to protect the church. He helps them by providing them with night creatures but if he's a forge master with magic. Why can't he create a night creature army to protect the church from the revolutionaries and the vampires.
And the group dynamics aren't properly set up and developed Edword dies after we just met him an episode later. So we don't feel anything for him because we barely know him. And we don't see how they become proper friends and develop a group dynamic.They just get along easily and with no conflict. Even the thing with Richter running away they get over very soon. We don't fully explore the different personalities and see how they work together.
I think people need to let a property have room to grow. The first Castlevania did its job with the world building. But we always want new audiences. Gaming industry is pretty male dominated, and women like relationships and romance. Nocturne was written differently like it had a female CORE audience in mind. That's why nerds are complaining, they don't like that at all, they prefer mission and action.
I couldn't agree more. It's gonna get very old super fast if they keep recycling Dracula as the main bad. They already established in Season 3 and 4 that Dracula accepted his peace. Also, his ending at Season 4 really cemented the fact that he's happy now that he's been given the 2nd chance at life.
The story shouldn't revolve around him too much especially there are more sinister characters out there in the Netflix narrative that make Dracula look like an Anti-hero at best.
If we compare the Dracula in the games, he's just a one-note villain that keeps losing. It's not gonna be very sustainable especially if they keep bringing him back every damn season just to frickin lose.
I said similar on a hate thread. The entire show would take place in a castle lol…
Most of the hate I'm seeing revolves around Richter running away after seeing Olrox as if this was "netflix pulling down a male character" when literally in the next episode Richter has one of the most powerful eucatastrophe moment where he accepts who he is and assumes his role as a protector. But oh well thank fuck the haters are just a loud monitory. Keep yapping.
Also Nocturne is geared towards women. GIRLS love shipping, there's 3 couples in this show alone whereas there were barely any in the previous series.
The series is really nice
Film adaptations of video games has always been shit. Happened with Resident Evil, Silent Hill, etc. There's enough in the original games to create a story that is faithful to the characters in those games. "Translating the game into a new medium" is such an excuse. The show reads like a writer inserting their fanfic into the Castlevania universe at least for the first series. Nocturne looks like someone really wanted to make an original script, failed, but was hired as a writer for this and inserted it into the story. Nocturne doesn't deserve to associated with Rondo of Blood. What a waste.
I am not a lore purist when it comes to Castlevania(I don't know much lore anyways to be a purist), but what I hate about Nocturne is its forced political undertones. It's not belmonts/allies killing vampires, it is allies breaking the system that just happens to involve vampires. Vampires are just the collateral enemies and not the central antagonist.
Countess Bathory?
Did you truly saw the show?
@victorfarias8086 usually when you hear people parroting they have issues with "the political undertones" they're usually listening to what some red pill reviewers told them.
@@soulassasin001 obviously that is the case of our friend here.
What forced political undertones? You mean undertones that most shows have? Game of thrones has political undertones, walking dead has political undertones. Just because this undertone is something you uncomfortable with because it deals with a black character shows your true mindset
What are the political undertones?
It's better than what people say it is
It doesn't deserve the hate, it deserves to be ignored
Historically the french revolution was a period of extreme violence and bloodlust, specially from the side of the revolutionary army. They decapitated anyone who thought different, because they were religious fanatics of their ideology. The period was even called The terror by the revolutionary leader, Maximilien Robespierre.They were more of vampires than the noblemen from their times. The show is more concerned in virtue signaling than telling a good story, that's the problem. If you are going to use a period of time to tell your story, you better know it good to use it's themes with intelligence. Also, no hero runs from their enemies and leaves his friends alone.
How does the show virtue signal?
He ran because of literal trauma, which he gets over by the end of the series.
@@hunterblane610 because it uses history in convenience of today's political agendas. It also uses the 'christian bad' narrative to the absurd point of make the priest an ally of demons. That's throwing logic through the window, as he allies with them to fight the revolutionary human army, but the vampires are directly enemies of God and even more powerful. Also, Anette 's character, the most chaotic and bad of them all, never takes accountability of her actions because of her slavery narrative.
And Richter is a coward, because a true hero never abandons his allies. This goes further in having no respect for the source material, as he is brave and faces every danger with no hesitation in the game. You can call it character development, but that is not the character of Richter or any real hero in the first place.
Over the last week I noticed a portion of fans were a bit toxic but over all I felt it did well with the mass majority. I loved it.
It's defensive behavior. Anytime nerds are confronted with a black girl i think it makes them defensive because they can never actually be victims of them. Black women have the least power in America and simultaneously have the best heroes journey from slavery. They can't beat that.
And the weird Rkelly night creature really ruined the vibe of each scene he appeared in.. shoulda completely removed his whole character after he died as a human
Like... This is way more interesting as a show than the source material. In Richter's game, Anette gets kidnapped because Dracula wants a new waifu. They're just mad that she doesn't look like their 600$ statue of vampire Anette wearing nothing but leather straps.
No actual hate on Nocturne, but I'm ashamed that we might not even get a symphony of the night with my boi alucard if he already meets them at least 5 or 4 years too early.
That gives him time to explore the castle as he's by himself against demons that would come back instantly once you leave the room, but here's the thing, he does not meet Richter until he becomes evil and influenced by Shaft's dark magic, tricking himself that he's the 'lord of the castle.' with a sweet old boss fight in the end that either gets alucard to kill richter or to see the true villain and then defeat dracula once again with the crissagirim.
Also, I really wished that richter could have access to his own subweapons and their super moves like, hydrostorm or grand cross, even the time stopper would've been great
He also doesn't know who Maria is when he meets her as she was shown to be by herself to look for Richter, there's ton of potential that was stored and already completed that, all the show had to do as to follow the roles of the story, then it was great to add the drama in between to keep character's story arcs together.
It is what it is, Juste showing up was a nice appearance, I was about to have a heart attack thinking that they introduced Julius way too early instead in that other last episode until I knew I misheard it lol, but he was still a good kind of motivation bell that shows once he failed his mission, in the games, there was always until maybe sotn that they introduced multiple endings after that, so with this time, he failed Lidia who was his love interest and practically the objective of the game, that she either died or turned into a vampire and then he was forced to kill her.
I just hope that in 2nd season they might be able to properly make this all work even if we do not get exactly what we want with Richter, at least him and Maria looked and acted accurately like their video game counterparts, but that's not alone to solo the entire show.
Perhaps one day in the future, there may be a Simon belmont anime, who is also known as one of the most iconic Nintendo characters, even in smash bros.
Maybe one day, even introduce Johnathan and Charlotte from castlevania: portrait of ruin as well as castlevania: bloodlines with his father who had the whip before him.
Even better, they can try well enough to get aria of sorrow and dawn of sorrow with alucard who changes his appearance, introducing Soma Cruz, the reincarnation spanish japanese anime boy that travels abroad to castlevania.
glad i was able to get this off my chest.
I mean considering season 4 they can't do symphony, and my guy, Richter does do grand cross lol, in the scene where his magic awakens.
@Peasham season 4? Oh and damn, i guess i didn't notice that
@@jackandrews4739 You know, season 4 of the original Netflix Castlevania series? Where Dracula's revived and very much not a bad guy anymore? And yeah he makes a huge ass magic blue fire cross lol, they adapted the attack to magic, which was already established in the show.
@@Peasham huh neat, but maybe in the next season, we'll get more
Calling the show "woke" for one flashback episode is wild lol
Racists take every opportunity to show how racist they are
Well theres a gay templar, gay vamps, anette’s speech about breaking free from slavery, seems pretty woke to me even without that episode
@@intellectual_69 you have a problem with gays and slavery?
@intellectual_6936 You say that as if there weren't gay people in those times. And it's def not the first show/movie showing gay vampires. The slavery thing, sure they didn't have to add that, but it wasn't focused on that all the time. Sucks that's all you got from the series
The first Castlevania show had a bisexual Alucard, a gay Isaac and two lesbian vampire rulers@@intellectual_69
Im scared for how the DMC cartoon is gonna be
I absolutely LOVED this series
An Count Orlox an the Succubus where in the game this creator did not do his research. An agreed.
Annette is problem of the show , the first half should be about Richer and Maria and second half should be about alucard , Maria and richter . One more thing, they do get a lot lore and fluff of rondo of blood from comics and cd , novel , which the show dumps most of them into toilet to make room for the New Annette , which is the we hate it most.
Annette is the best of the show. Americans are just triggered over their own history and want to project onto black Americans their own embarrassment. The plantation owners are vampires in this universe so Annette isn't making this a black lives matter situation. It's demons vs humans.
If Castlevania OG was like…a 10, then Nocturne is at LEAST an 8. But. This is season ONE. I’m sure it’ll beef up with time and additional episodes. It’s good, man.
Regardless of all its critiquie and or praise the main problem commes from the fact that you as a viewer ask yourself all the time, why, why why! There are so many things characters do and say that arent consistent, makes no sense in regard of what is established, lead to nothing, feels forced.
Anette and Eduard randomly showing up at the perfect time, Anett having knoweldge about night creatures while neither Richard or his uncle have. The Knight dude suddently having change of heart when the priest tries to sacrifice Maria. (There are no scenes that build up to this, all he have had are some random sex sceene who came out of nowhere with talk that didnt lead anywhere).
Why does no one in the church raise the alarm when the Necronomicon is stolen. Why does Richard whip and sword randomly disapear in some cutsceenes. Why does the whip sometimes kill vampires while other times it doesnt harm them.
Why does Richard assume his family is safe after leaving them in the dungeon. Why is no one angry with him when he commes back. Why is Richard and Anette having a moment? Why is Anette litteraly the main character.
Why does Anette lead the group in every sceene instead of Richard. Why does she get a longer back story than the main character and everyone else combined. Why does every cry all the time? Why does Richard not getting instantly killed aftee getting caught by a random group of vampires? Why does Richard who doesnt know if his family and friends are alive after leaving them for dead, awaken his magic, by thinking about how he needs to protect them?
Characters showing up at the perfect time is a staple of media, Annette was trained by a psychic who could see the future, Mizrak is repedeatly shown to be a true believer in God morals included, morals Emmanuel has completely abandoned, there is no sex scene, no one at the church noticed that the Necronomicon was stolen, we see Richter's whip being taken and him throwing his sword, this whip is not the Morningstar and acts the same as Trevor's whip at the start of the original series, Richter literally gets over his trauma via the guilt of not being there to protect his family, they're not angry at him because they're well aware that it was a trauma response, Annette doesn't get half the screentime of Richter.
So bascially, watch the series.
im a huge castlevania fan bc of the netflix show so when i finished watching nocturne and went on youtube to see so much hate it saddened me because i enjoyed it so much :'( im glad people here also liked it too! i think the animation itself is already beautiful and the story is so unique and i love having something like this to watch because there aren't many action packed vampire shows like this out there. anyways! loved it, OBSESSED WITH ALUCARD and i can't wait to see season 2
I like nocturne’s artstyle more . And I only liked the firsg castlevania at season 2