Honestly, after watching this video, I was dying for more. I kept trying to look for more of this type of alternate history but honestly you're the only one who made one so detailed, which is really frustrating for someone who's a big fan of this specific alternate history topic. Just subscribed!
I like how this one not only focuses on the Nationalist victory but also is focused on a better Chinese defense in the Second Sino-Japanese War, and a Chiang Kai-shek Wang Jingwei United Front at this timeline.
As a Singaporean-Chinese who is: -A Martial artist -A WW2 History nerd -A huge KMT-Supporter Watching this on Chinese New Year, thank you, sir. This is hands-down my favourite Alt-History video of all time! Thank you so much for making my day and kickstarting my 2025! 新年快乐！ 🎆🍾🎉🎊🇹🇼
Wow, this is probably the best alternative history i have seen. It was really good i an really liked the small references you made about how pop culture was progressing, really adds to the senario.
Great video! As a Chinese I can confidently represent most of Chinese people when I say this timeline is way better than our own. Long live the Republic of China! 🇹🇼
The word "Nationalist" is actually a misleading translation,the original Chinese word "Kuo Min" means "civilian" or "people in the state" which has literally nothing to do with nationalism
@@freshnewcungadero Matthew 5:28 - But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 1 John 2:16 - For all that is in the world-the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life-is not from the Father but is from the world.
30:16 In our timeline, there was already a government in Korea once the Japanese surrendered, which was the “People’s Republic of Korea”. In this timeline it’s most likely the same deal, with them declaring independence after Beijing falls to the nationalists. I thought it was a thing to point out since you probably forgot that the PRK existed (I know it existed for only a couple months IRL but with no Soviet invasion it’d probably survive.)
Nah. The KMT and Shang kaichek was very friendly with the korean independence movement in Shanghai. He would support the south korean government insted of the left wing government.
Thanks anyway I hope you will provide content related to Japanese history because Japanese history is interesting, and there are Chinese figures who benefited from Japanese military experience such as Chiang Kai-shek, who was a cadet in Japan.
I have alternate history suggestions that you may like: What if the Chinese nationalist kept Hainan and not loose it to the communist? What if more Dutch or European settlers went to Indonesia? What if the Romans focused more on Africa than Northern Europe? What if the South Korean government was exiled to Jeju after the Korean war? What if Germany was a unified neutral state during the cold war? What if the Republic of Ezo survived? What if Apartheid never happens or it ended earlier? What if Yuri Andropov ruled earlier and lived longer? What if Ross Perot won the 1992 US election? What if Nikita Khruschev ruled until his death in 1971? What if the Sultanate of Zanzibar survived? What if West Papua Remained Dutch? What if the space race was more competitive? What if Covid started in 2010 not 2020? What if the rise of the internet started earlier? What if Brazil Remained an Empire? What if US presidents can have more than three terms? What if Gerald ford became the running mate of Ronald Reagan in 1980? What if Thailand developed like Japan during the Meiji Period? What if the American Indians succeeded in creating their own state (State of Sequoyah) What if The Philippines remained as a commonwealth ten years after the war? What if the New deal also happened in Asia? What if more Japanese settled in Manchuria (like 1-4 million people)? What if the Qing Modernized? What if the Korean Monarchy was restored in 1945 as an neutral entity?
I would love to see a Japan with a New Deal-like series of economic programs. plus a high-income Thailand due to American fears of anti-communism in the cold war in Southeast Asia.
Glad you didnt just have the kuomintang be liberal pacifists after all the wars were over. A lot of people seem to think that they were somehow better than the CCP in terms of non aggression when that is not the case at all.
Also, as for the Japanese successful takeover of HongKong and it's eventual surrender you presume in the video as it happened in reality, should have really not been the case had China been spared from the ultimate damage and large-scale manpower loss in contrast to the real history, I would tend to think that the British would also have a better chance of getting more support from the more democratic China, the one that is essentially an American ally, and there could have been much more military support coming from the North, that is, KMT led China, and I presume that HongKong would never have even been fallen to the Japanese! That is my take.
What I think would’ve happened with Mongolia was that after lee tent-hui took office Mongolia would become independent through peaceful protests and voting to become independent because at that time china became a full fledged democracy
That would definitely be in the realm of possibility. On the other hand, I'd imagine that there would be a large Chinese population in Mongolia province by the 1990s, so it may stymie efforts for independence. Regardless though, an opportunity for independence would definitely open up after the end of the Chiang family's rule over China. Thanks for your comment! Cheers, Alrighty
@@TheAlrightyOne also you left out another thing Malaysia and Indonesia would’ve joined the Chinese sphere of influence because they became independent after ww2 and didn’t really have any foreign support but china probably would’ve helped them because they also suffered from what the Colonialist did as well
@@ripspeakerknockerz That's a valid point. When I was doing my research for this video they were never mentioned. So that's why they were excluded. My bad. You're definitely correct that Malaysia and Indonesia would be firm allies with China.
@@TheAlrightyOneI don't know about you, but I think that this alternative Czechoslovakia could, in this alternative timeline, be technically the same as West Germany and not as modern and progressive as West Germany, to whom I heard that West Germany would not be West Germany thanks to the Marshall Plan thanks to investments the USA and the fight against communism, because it had communist neighbors, it is so possible that Czechoslovakia would be the same as West Germany
Great video, my one critique is I cannot see China getting Manchuria, even doing better in this timeline and even if they manage to get Beijing in March, the soviets would then invade earlier to gurentee territory in Asia given their harsh relations with the nationalists in this timeline, putting Manchuria and Mongolia under Soviet Control. The soviets would do everything in their power to stop a hostile power on their boarder and if that means invading Japan earlier that’s what I’d belive they’d do
We can only speculate about this because Stalins views on China were very complicated and we don’t really know what he wanted. He supported both of them so it would be very difficult to say what he’d do in another timeline
My fan fiction version of the Mongolian war has ended in ceasefire. As the green sea region states aid the Soviet Union and allow to keep outer Mongolia.
Yes. That would make sense in how Mongolia stays independent in that fan fiction story. Green sea region republics helped Mongolians and exiled communist Chinese. The USSR would allow communist Chinese into outer Manchuria. It would create an urban belt corridor. Between Russia 🇨🇳 and China 🇹🇼
What is China's relationship with the Indian subcontinent like in this alternate timeline? Also greatly enjoyed the in-depth analysis of how the timeline diverges from that of our timeline.
Well, it would be much better for starters. I'd imagine that in exchange for his cooperation with the Republic of China, the Dalai Lama would convince President Chiang to accept the McMahon Line, already greatly lessening tensions. Secondly, with Chiang in strong support of religious institutions (Methodism and Daoism in the cities, folk religion in the countryside, Islam in Xinjiang, and Buddhism in Tibet) the Dalai Lama remains on excellent terms with the Chinese government. This means no Tibetan Uprising and no exile in India for the Dalai Lama. This removes another point of contention. All in all, I think Jawaharlal Nehru and Chiang would get along fairly well, as both sought to forge their own paths for their nations in the new world shaped by the Cold War.
As for Pakistan, Nepal, and Bhutan, I'd say that these would be largely the same as India. During the Bangladeshi War of Independence, I can imagine China staying completely neutral to avoid angering the Indians or Pakistanis. Sri Lanka and the Maldives wouldn't really be of importance to China until trading relationships developed later in the 1960s or 1970s. But I can imagine China being on good terms with South Asia as a whole. Although one issue might be Sikkim. Distantly related to the Chinese, I can imagine the Sikkimese Royal Government forging closer ties to China instead of India in this timeline, against the will of the Sikkimese people of course. Maybe in 1975, Sikkim joins China instead, deciding that China is the best option to preserving the King's power, similar to the system of the Dalai Lama, where the King would become "governor" of Sikkim Province but retain his power.
@@TheAlrightyOneSounds fascinating. Thanks for taking the time to explain how things will be like in this alternate timeline. I understand you've likely got a full plate, and I am curious if you plan on doing an alternate timeline in which the Indian subcontinent was not partitioned after the end of British rule sometime down the line.
@@garfieldstephensonwu142 No problem. I don't plan on doing a standalone non-partitioned India what if. My next what if, coming ASAP, is set in Europe. However, in the one after that, keep an eye out for an unpartitioned South Asia in the background. It will get its time in the next story.
I doubt Chiang would implement the “Great leap forward” as he defintely knew it would be disastrous. He would implement industrial plans but would not do it this way.
I just chose that name for the sake of familiarity. Immediately after I say it's called the great leap forward I mention that the backbone of the plan is foreign investments. He doesn't have farmers making steel in their backyards. It's a totally different beast from Mao's Great Leap Forward.
Sikkim, a state within India, would like likely remain a(n independent) kingdom, as part of the reason India had the kingdom as a client state was as an immediate buffer with the communists on the border.
That's definitely something I'd look into doing in the future. I currently have a schedule of different videos coming up that I'm working on. For the time being, if you wanted Philippines related content, check out my "What if the Spanish-American War Never Happened?" video. Cheers, Alrighty
@@TheAlrightyOneHey. It's me. I change my mind about the future what if about the Philippines. So instead of Philippine-American what if timeline, how about "What if the Philippine Revolution of 1896 succeeded?" alternate history? The thing that the Philippine Revolution of 1896 was a failure despite the Philippines gained independence because of some reasons rivalry factions within the revolutionary army, incompetent politicians, corruption and worse, self interests for power rather than fight for independence and national unity. The biggest reason the revolution failed because the new established government that would become the first Republic of the Philippines under Emilio Aguinaldo as the first President that would be the betrayal and execution of Andres Bonifacio, a poor uneducated man who founded the revolutionary organization known as "Katipunan" that started the revolution in the first place. While Aguinaldo has numerous victories in battle during the revolution, Bonifacio suffered heavy losses which is why the revolutionaries chose Aguinaldo to be elected as President of the new government due of his high popularity during the Tejeros Convention(the first unofficial election in the Philippines). Bonifacio would elected as Director of Interior(which was a predecessor of DILG(Department of Interior & Local Government) Secretary today) but a lawyer of Magdalo faction named Daniel Tirona rejected Bonifacio to his position. Bonifacio(who sided with rival Magdiwang faction) was furious and demanded an apology but Tirona refused which he pulls out a revolver to threaten him to kill but his subordinates managed to calm him down before he told everyone that the election was sham. Bonifacio would form his own government away from the new government with his own allies but the new government knew this and they sent their forces to captured Bonifacio. Bonifacio and his brother Procopio were arrested and charge for treason. Aguinaldo originally plan to sent them to exile but the cabinet convince him to change to sentence in death. So Bonifacio and his brother were executed in Mt. Tala by the government soldiers Bonifacio's death marked the beginning of the end of independence for Philippines and lead into a darker consequences for Aguinaldo and his government despite the nation declared the independence in June 12, 1898. His government would lose to the superior United States of America in Philippine-American War as the nation would under US for some years until it declared their independence in 1946 after WW2. While the Philippines received ups & downs, it face numerous struggles as corruption, self interests and greed would consume the government and the public still felt to this day. Some modern Filipinos and historians believe all of its problems were started when Aguinaldo ordered the execution of Bonifacio while others believe the incompetent and dictatorial rule under Aguinaldo led their loss by the Americans during the Philippine-American War. So imagine things could have gone differently if the Philippines Revolution of 1896 succeeded. I think the discovery of the revolutionary plot by the Spanish soldiers which led the arrest of many members of Katipunan due of one of the Katipunan members made a mistake and accidentally exposed to a Spanish friar. This led Bonifacio and the Katipunan launched an attack to a fort prematurely which it became a battlefield that would become a place today as "Pinaglabanan". Bonifacio and the Katipunan would lose the battle as Dr. Jose Rizal, the national hero of the Philippineswho was exiled in Dapitan, predicted that the revolution will fail due of lack of weapons and Spanish weapon superiority and sadly, he was right. It is because of an idiot Katipunan member's blunder that the revolutionary plot was exposed by the Spanish. But imagine this would never happen, the revolution might succeeded.
I was wondering if you can do an alt-hist discussion video on like the Lebanese Civil War such as what if the Lebanese Front made a decisive victory? 🌲🇱🇧🌲
I have an intresting thought you can do this down the line if you want to do this what if but I would like to see a what if Russia's provesional goverment or what if the Tsar of Russia was stil in power I know the scenarios are unlikely but would like to see it
I certainly have some thoughts about the Second Sino-Japanese war section. For example the flooding of the Yellow river did serve its purpose even as it was at a horrific human cost, because the flooding did force the Japanese advance to slow down for around a month/months buying valuable time for the Chinese side to move its capital to Chongqing, as well as forcing the Japanese to assault the city of Wuhan not from the flatter northern side, but instead the more mountainous/rugged eastern side. Additionally even with a much better position and without the Communist enemy, the biggest problem for the Chinese Nationalists was the lack of equipment with the logistics of transporting goods being bottlenecked by the ability to transport goods via the Burma Road following the Japanese occupation of French Indochina, and unless the Chinese Burma army somehow is able to help the British forces in Burma hold onto northern Burma around Myitkyina, the Chinese no matter how competent their leadership wouldn't be able to do much until Burma and its logistic route was liberated. Part of the reason for Ichi-Go being successful was simply the fact, that the best Chinese forces were still tied down in Burma trying to reopen a land connection to British India where supplies for China were literally sitting around because the few transport planes allocated to the hump weren't able to transport their goods fast enough over the Himalayas. Additionally I feel there was a distinct lack as to how the KMT party rule and administration would've differed compared to otl Taiwan, because the sheer scale of China compared to Taiwan is just so astronomically huge. However, overall this is an excellent alternate history video with a lot of great effort put in, and I enjoyed it very much.
Realsitically the Chinese would not be able to fight the Soviets on an even footing. While the M4 sherman is a good match for the T-34, the T-44 was already built in large numbers (over 1800) by this point and out classes the sherman in all aspects (speed, armour, firepower, reliability, etc), Adtionally there were already over 700 T-54 tanks by 1950 which outclasses the equipment of even America let alone China in 1950. Furthermore there is also the soviet heavy tanks 2300 IS-3s (whose armour was still hard to deal with in the 1960s let alone 50s), aswell as 250 IS-4. And the aircraft situation would be even more in the soviet's favour. Adtionally the Soviets would have more experiance fighting a mechanised enemy directly and indirreclty due to ww2 (the Americans had less experiance and would be giving that 2nd hand to the Chinese).
Adtionally the soviets had successly tested their own nuclear bomb in 1949 and would be unafraid to use more against Chinese cities unless America intervened (which they you have them say they will not). So in all likelyhood the soviet counter attack should atleast forcd the Chinese into retreat if not crush it entirely, followed by a nuclear bombing of a northern Chinese city. And the Chinese being forced to let Mongolia be 'independant' (and possibly loose other territory too like inner Mongolia)
You make many good points. I based the Soviet response to the Mongolian War off of their initial response during the early days of the Korean War. After the tide began to turn against North Korea, Stalin grew increasingly apathetic regarding the entire situation, stating (in our timeline) "So be it. Let the Americans be our neighbors." So I based the outcome of the Mongolian War off the possibility of Stalin having a similar attitude, but without Mao to come in and save North Korea (or another Communist ally to save Mongolia in this timeline). I also moved the 1953 East German uprising to 1950 in this timeline, with the more important East Germany drawing attention away from Mongolia. Lastly, in regards to the use of nuclear weapons, I'd say the other nations of the UN security council would have warned the USSR against using nuclear weapons. Although I didn't mention this in the video itself and should have included it. All in all, you are right in saying that the USSR would most likely have won the conflict, but I had them lose for the purposes of the what if as realistically as I knew how. Thanks so much for your comment! Best, Alrighty
@@TheAlrightyOneI don't know about you, but I think that this alternative Czechoslovakia could, in this alternative timeline, be technically the same as West Germany and not as modern and progressive as West Germany, to whom I heard that West Germany would not be West Germany thanks to the Marshall Plan thanks to investments the USA and the fight against communism, because it had communist neighbors, it is so possible that Czechoslovakia would be the same as West Germany
U have to understand millions also died European opium as well but thank you brother for explaining i think all rulers are good and evil he also did alot of good as well we have to continue to understand histroy.
That's one I've thought about doing numerous times. The reason why I've not yet done it is because I don't like to do common what ifs if I don't yet have a way to put my own unique spin on it. So if I find a way to make it into a unique story, I might consider doing it. But regardless, there are a lot of what ifs ahead of it in the queue, so it'll be a while regardless. :) Cheers, Alrighty
Dang I didn't know that this video was long White sun in the sky😂 The monarch of Vietnam still exist. The Kingdom of Cambodia was never overthrown by a mashal. Laos was never been a war with a communist rebel
I'm not sure when this would be made (I have a busy schedule with my what ifs right now) but this is a fascinating suggestion. I think I would definitely want to explore this idea in the future. Thanks for your comment! Cheers, Alrighty
Well in this timeline, I think it is a slightly different issue. So, as you might have heard in the video, the Battle of Shanghai lasting longer allowed Wang Jingwei to evacuate Nanjing, avoiding the infamous massacre. So arguably the most infamous Japanese war crime in China is avoided. Most of Japan's war crimes are committed in Manchukuo. Because Empress Xianyu isn't as much of a puppet as Puyi, but instead an ally acting in cooperation with Japan, the Chinese blame the Manchukuo government more than Japan, although Japan is still blamed for what happened. Because Manchukuo is seen as the main war criminal state, Japan is more willing to denounce their role as an "accomplice" to a "rogue state" that the Japanese government made the "mistake of trusting".
Probably one of Bao Dai's sons, Bao Long or Bao Thang. However, if we want to make it interesting, we could instead have the Chinese back a restoration of Emperor Duy Tan's bloodline due to their popularity with the Vietnamese people, in which case the current emperor would be Bao Ngoc.
I think East Turkestan would stand the best chance to remain independent. However, I did a lot of research and learned that the Guomindang had a lot of support among some sections of the Uyghur population of Xinjiang. With a well equipped, battle-hardened army and a pro-Nationalist government already controlling parts of Xinjiang, it seemed like Nationalist Chinese control of Xinjiang (or more likely in this timeline Sinkiang) province was the most realistic scenario. But in a timeline where Chiang Kai-Shek's regime only wins the Civil War in the late 1940s, I too think that East Turkestan would retain its independence. As for Tibet, The Tibetan Army had been left to deteriorate since the 1930s, and regardless of which Chinese army marched on Tibet, their loss was most likely inevitable. For Tibet to succeed, their Point of Divergence would have to be closer to 1911 than 1924.
Wonder what the effects on global politics would have been...Would the soviets double down on Africa and south America? How would Europe deal with such a huge competitor? Etc, etc...
Without a communist China, the global balance of power would definitely tilt more towards Western liberal democracies and dictatorships. The Soviet Union would definitely double down in Africa and South America. But I think without conflicts in Asia, the United States would be able to focus on Latin America and Africa just as much as the Soviets. So we'd probably see no Communist victories/insurgencies in Central and South America and fewer Communist victories in Africa.
@@TheAlrightyOne An other thing to take into account would be what would happen to all the white russians in China, something tells me the soviets would be more than worried to see them ruminating in Harbin and Shanghai...
@@jamesgarner327 I think eventually they would be granted citizenship by the Chiang regime. If the resources were available, perhaps eventually Russians in China would be a protected minority, and the government would work to ensure that white Russian success in China is widely disseminated in propaganda, sort of similar to Cuban-Americans in our timeline. Regardless, after the end of the Mongolian War, I'm certain that the peace treaty between the ROC and USSR would include a provision that while White Russians could serve in the Chinese military, the ROC would be prohibited from aiding white Russian ultranationalist groups seeking to destroy the USSR.
I'd say it would be Chiang Kai-Shek's picture until the mid to late 2000s, when it would be replaced with one of Sun Yat-Sen amidst a national reckoning on Chiang's legacy and human rights violations. Of course, the KMT would protest this action and probably have the portrait relocated to somewhere in Nanjing, maybe the Chiang Kai-Shek Presidential Library.
@@TheAlrightyOnewhere would Sun Fo be in this timeline? as the son of Sun Yat-sen I think he'd have some role in the ROC government after a successful unification, unless he could aswell live a life of luxury enjoying the product of his father's wishes in some estate in Taipei or HK or anywhere in modernized east china because he isn't really exiled in this universe or something
@@legob1230 I think Sun Fo would be kept away from the highest levels of power in the ROC, as Chiang Kai-shek would want to ensure he would be succeeded by his own heir, and Sun Fo being high up in the government may cause an issue with this. At the same time though, as the son of Sun Yat-sen, Chiang would want to ensure Sun Fo's happiness, not only to be used as a propaganda figure but also to keep him as a political ally. I can imagine that Sun Fo would be appointed the governor of China's Kwangtung Province, from where both he and his father hailed. Because of how important a province it is, Sun Fo's governorship would afford him real power to make a positive change in his home province, and would thus keep him feeling placated and not sidelined. Even after democratization in the 1980s, Chiang's efforts to keep Sun Fo a strong ally would most likely result in the Sun family establishing a deeply entrenched political dynasty in Kwangtung Province, strong enough to even weather actual democratic elections.
I'm not sure how exactly their entertainment industry would look. I'd imagine that it might be stronger as Hong Kong would be incorporated earlier. Perhaps Hong Kong may function as China's own Hollywood and pioneer high quality cinema in the Chinese movie industry.
@@Lucas-lo2vhImagine a movie about the siege of Beijing Made a little More Epic and dragged Out while glorifying the Nationalist Victory More than it actually happened or a movie about Bruce Lee and the Idea of the perfect Chinese Nationalist. Both Sound Like an absolute blast ngl.
Absolutely! The key scientists behind the Chinese nuclear program studied in the United States and Europe throughout the 1930s and 1940s, so their lives wouldn't have changed from the difference in the timelines. Most of them even finished their studies before the Nationalists lost the Civil War, and were teaching and working in scientific establishments throughout Republican China before the Communist takeover. The Chinese Nuclear program in our timeline was formally proposed by Chairman Mao in 1955, but was severely negatively impacted by the Anti-Rightist Campaign and Great Leap Forward. Eventually though, China got the bomb in 1964. In the Nationalist victory timeline, I feel that Chiang Kai-Shek's regime would begin progress on developing atomic bombs sooner, perhaps as part of the military buildup in the late 1940s. Without the Civil War, Anti-Rightist Campaign, or Famine, I'd imagine that China would develop an A-Bomb around the mid-1950s. For the sake of your question, let's have them successfully detonating an A-Bomb in rural Mongolia around 1954, perhaps timed with National Day celebrations. I'd imagine that China would eventually develop true thermonuclear H-Bombs later on, perhaps around the late 1960s or early 1970s. Fun fact: The Nationalist dictatorship in Taiwan was on the verge of developing nuclear weapons in the 1980s. By 1987, Taiwan was on track to build a working atomic bomb by 1988 or 1989. The main driving force behind the project was 89-year old former first lady Soong Mei-Ling. However, the United States pressured the Nationalist regime to halt its program.
I think so. Without the Cultural Revolution, China would have established a space program in the 1950s and put a satellite into orbit by the early 1960s, ten years earlier than our timeline. I would imagine China would have sent a human being into space by the 1980s or 1990s.
It's very possible that it might have occurred, but thanks to China's strong tradition of press freedom since the end of one-party rule, word of the virus spread faster than the virus itself. Thanks to the valiant efforts of Dr. Li Wenliang, the Republic of China established a quarantine zone around Wuhan just before Chinese New Year's celebrations, and COVID-19 was more than likely limited to just Wuhan and surrounding cities.
It's impossible for U.S.-China relations to remain this good at a time when China is becoming the world's top economic superpower. It's impossible for the country to become a democracy so easily, and certainly not a multi-party democracy (so even more democratic than Japan).
In this timeline, the Empire of Vietnam under Emperor Bao Dai survives. It's as weak as in our timeline, but is covertly backed by the Chinese government. It's not overt, especially considering the history between China and Vietnam, but covertly there are multiple Chinese Black Ops teams stationed across Vietnam in this timeline keeping the peace and surprising Communist rebellions, at least through the 50s and 60s. By the 70s Bao Dai was able to stabilize his government and security forces enough to allow Chiang Kai-Shek's forces to withdraw from Vietnam. By the 2000s I can see Vietnam as a parliamentary democracy, and I'd imagine that when the truth of the extent of Chinese involvement in post-WWII Vietnam came to light in declassified documents in the 2010s, it would badly damage the two nations' diplomatic relationships.
@@TheAlrightyOne So with NO Communist China meant Viet Minh doesn’t exist anymore? Who succeeded Bao Dai when he died and is Vietnam’s capital, in your timeline, is Hue?
@@TheAlrightyOnei don't think that the diplomatic relationship would be damaged that much because the government likely knows what happened. It's the Public Support that would have diminished. This however would probably lead to Opposition Support rising and in the worst Case scenario another Chinese Intervention.
On May 10th, 1973, Bruce Lee would collapse during the filming of "White Sun Rising" a fictionalized Kung Fu action retelling of Sun Yat-sen's life. Lee would be rushed to Nanjing Central Hospital, where he would be diagnosed with a cranial edema caused by fluid collecting in the skull and increasing cranial pressure. Lee, never one to let negative developments get in the way of his career, would attempt to leave the hospital and continue filming. However, on the advice of his doctor's, the Nanjing Municipal Government, in consultation with the Nationalist Dictatorship, would forcibly confine Lee to Nanjing Central Hospital where he would be sedated, subjected to osmotic therapy, and finally undergo surgery to relieve the cranial pressure which was building in his brain (and eventually, combined with a powerful allergic reaction to a certain medicine, killed him in our timeline.) On July 25th, 1973, after months of virtual imprisonment and heavy sedation, Lee would be discharged from Nanjing Central for home recovery. White Sun Rising would resume filming much later in 1975, and go on to become the highest grossing film in the history of Chinese cinema, foreign or domestic. Lee would receive an official apology for his confinement in 1998, with the Chinese government justifying its actions by stating that due to his valuable status as the embodiment of the nation and a propaganda figure, they had a duty to ensure his survival. The matter was later settled for an undisclosed sum. Lee would still be alive today, and would remain a titan of Kung Fu cinema, although these days it would be from the director's chair. When not directing several movies a year, Lee would focus on philanthropic efforts for the Chinese-American community and spending time with him family.
@@TheAlrightyOne Brandon Lee would embody Asian American pop culture. And maybe in the Crow movie set, someone actually checks the revolver and made some safety checks and thus Brandon never died from his bullet wounds. Instead marries his fiancée in Ensanada, Baja California, USA. And would become the well known Asian American actor in Hollywood. His daughter or son would star in Cobra Kai. And actually help out in martial arts behind the scenes. The Lee family would live on. Very well. Regardless of USA China relations, Bruce and Brandon Lee would act as cultural bridge between East and west.
Honestly, after watching this video, I was dying for more. I kept trying to look for more of this type of alternate history but honestly you're the only one who made one so detailed, which is really frustrating for someone who's a big fan of this specific alternate history topic. Just subscribed!
Keep on going with the alternative history videos. I love them!
I like how this one not only focuses on the Nationalist victory but also is focused on a better Chinese defense in the Second Sino-Japanese War, and a Chiang Kai-shek Wang Jingwei United Front at this timeline.
Not gonna lie though, I burst into laughter seeing Three Principles Hao.
Another minor thing but it should be known, upon researching. Ma Zhanshan was a Hui Muslim, not Manchu.
@@hachsstuff From what I found while researching, he was both. A Manchu Muslim.
@@TheAlrightyOne I see
@@TheAlrightyOne Does General Ma get Manchuria to prosper similarly to the systems of Yunnan and Shanxi governors Long Yun and Yan Xishan?
I love this video. This is by far one of the best Alternate History videos I watched.
This sat in my watch later playlist for a while. Glad I actually watched it.
As a Singaporean-Chinese who is:
-A Martial artist
-A WW2 History nerd
-A huge KMT-Supporter
Watching this on Chinese New Year, thank you, sir. This is hands-down my favourite Alt-History video of all time! Thank you so much for making my day and kickstarting my 2025!
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This is the only nationalist china scenario that i personally like, Unlike other Alt historian youtubers covering it.
Yup, this focuses much more on Wang Jingwei if he chose to be on the lesser evil side rather than being a collaborator and a stooge of the Japs.
Wow, this is probably the best alternative history i have seen. It was really good i an really liked the small references you made about how pop culture was progressing, really adds to the senario.
@@NineNoRouge Thank you! I'm glad you liked it!
This video was amazing sad that you are so underrated keep up with the good work
This channel is underrated. You need more views.
Now this was an awsome video, keep up the great work
This is a genuinely amazing channel so glad i found it also do u love wang ming he always becomes the leader of the ccp
Great video! As a Chinese I can confidently represent most of Chinese people when I say this timeline is way better than our own.
Long live the Republic of China! 🇹🇼
Yessir!!! Been waiting for this!
The word "Nationalist" is actually a misleading translation,the original Chinese word "Kuo Min" means "civilian" or "people in the state" which has literally nothing to do with nationalism
They are nationals, so
Kou min means people country
I ship the Republic of China and Republic of Korea so muchhhhhh
Great video! Instant sub!
TF bro I know they're allies but dawg •-•
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I edge to the idea of Nationalist China and Unified Korea together~ 🥖💦
@@freshnewcungadero please don't you mean what I think you mean .-.
@@Kori-shimotori344 It’s exactly what it sounds like 😋
@@freshnewcungadero Matthew 5:28 - But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 1 John 2:16 - For all that is in the world-the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life-is not from the Father but is from the world.
30:16 In our timeline, there was already a government in Korea once the Japanese surrendered, which was the “People’s Republic of Korea”. In this timeline it’s most likely the same deal, with them declaring independence after Beijing falls to the nationalists. I thought it was a thing to point out since you probably forgot that the PRK existed (I know it existed for only a couple months IRL but with no Soviet invasion it’d probably survive.)
Nah. The KMT and Shang kaichek was very friendly with the korean independence movement in Shanghai. He would support the south korean government insted of the left wing government.
Thanks anyway I hope you will provide content related to Japanese history because Japanese history is interesting, and there are Chinese figures who benefited from Japanese military experience such as Chiang Kai-shek, who was a cadet in Japan.
Japanese history is indeed interesting, but never forget what happened between December 1937 to January 1938. And also a Laboratory in Manchukuo.
I have alternate history suggestions that you may like:
What if the Chinese nationalist kept Hainan and not loose it to the communist?
What if more Dutch or European settlers went to Indonesia?
What if the Romans focused more on Africa than Northern Europe?
What if the South Korean government was exiled to Jeju after the Korean war?
What if Germany was a unified neutral state during the cold war?
What if the Republic of Ezo survived?
What if Apartheid never happens or it ended earlier?
What if Yuri Andropov ruled earlier and lived longer?
What if Ross Perot won the 1992 US election?
What if Nikita Khruschev ruled until his death in 1971?
What if the Sultanate of Zanzibar survived?
What if West Papua Remained Dutch?
What if the space race was more competitive?
What if Covid started in 2010 not 2020?
What if the rise of the internet started earlier?
What if Brazil Remained an Empire?
What if US presidents can have more than three terms?
What if Gerald ford became the running mate of Ronald Reagan in 1980?
What if Thailand developed like Japan during the Meiji Period?
What if the American Indians succeeded in creating their own state (State of Sequoyah)
What if The Philippines remained as a commonwealth ten years after the war?
What if the New deal also happened in Asia?
What if more Japanese settled in Manchuria (like 1-4 million people)?
What if the Qing Modernized?
What if the Korean Monarchy was restored in 1945 as an neutral entity?
In 2010 theres swine flu so it's just COVID older brother
I would love to see a Japan with a New Deal-like series of economic programs. plus a high-income Thailand due to American fears of anti-communism in the cold war in Southeast Asia.
what if the Nepalese maoists won the Nepalese civil war supported by China?**
Glad you didnt just have the kuomintang be liberal pacifists after all the wars were over. A lot of people seem to think that they were somehow better than the CCP in terms of non aggression when that is not the case at all.
Also, as for the Japanese successful takeover of HongKong and it's eventual surrender you presume in the video as it happened in reality, should have really not been the case had China been spared from the ultimate damage and large-scale manpower loss in contrast to the real history, I would tend to think that the British would also have a better chance of getting more support from the more democratic China, the one that is essentially an American ally, and there could have been much more military support coming from the North, that is, KMT led China, and I presume that HongKong would never have even been fallen to the Japanese! That is my take.
What I think would’ve happened with Mongolia was that after lee tent-hui took office Mongolia would become independent through peaceful protests and voting to become independent because at that time china became a full fledged democracy
That would definitely be in the realm of possibility. On the other hand, I'd imagine that there would be a large Chinese population in Mongolia province by the 1990s, so it may stymie efforts for independence. Regardless though, an opportunity for independence would definitely open up after the end of the Chiang family's rule over China.
Thanks for your comment!
Cheers,
Alrighty
@@TheAlrightyOne also you left out another thing Malaysia and Indonesia would’ve joined the Chinese sphere of influence because they became independent after ww2 and didn’t really have any foreign support but china probably would’ve helped them because they also suffered from what the Colonialist did as well
@@ripspeakerknockerz That's a valid point. When I was doing my research for this video they were never mentioned. So that's why they were excluded. My bad. You're definitely correct that Malaysia and Indonesia would be firm allies with China.
@@TheAlrightyOneI don't know about you, but I think that this alternative Czechoslovakia could, in this alternative timeline, be technically the same as West Germany and not as modern and progressive as West Germany, to whom I heard that West Germany would not be West Germany thanks to the Marshall Plan thanks to investments the USA and the fight against communism, because it had communist neighbors, it is so possible that Czechoslovakia would be the same as West Germany
Great work!
Great video, my one critique is I cannot see China getting Manchuria, even doing better in this timeline and even if they manage to get Beijing in March, the soviets would then invade earlier to gurentee territory in Asia given their harsh relations with the nationalists in this timeline, putting Manchuria and Mongolia under Soviet Control. The soviets would do everything in their power to stop a hostile power on their boarder and if that means invading Japan earlier that’s what I’d belive they’d do
We can only speculate about this because Stalins views on China were very complicated and we don’t really know what he wanted. He supported both of them so it would be very difficult to say what he’d do in another timeline
My fan fiction version of the Mongolian war has ended in ceasefire. As the green sea region states aid the Soviet Union and allow to keep outer Mongolia.
Yes. That would make sense in how Mongolia stays independent in that fan fiction story. Green sea region republics helped Mongolians and exiled communist Chinese. The USSR would allow communist Chinese into outer Manchuria. It would create an urban belt corridor. Between Russia 🇨🇳 and China 🇹🇼
What is China's relationship with the Indian subcontinent like in this alternate timeline? Also greatly enjoyed the in-depth analysis of how the timeline diverges from that of our timeline.
Well, it would be much better for starters. I'd imagine that in exchange for his cooperation with the Republic of China, the Dalai Lama would convince President Chiang to accept the McMahon Line, already greatly lessening tensions.
Secondly, with Chiang in strong support of religious institutions (Methodism and Daoism in the cities, folk religion in the countryside, Islam in Xinjiang, and Buddhism in Tibet) the Dalai Lama remains on excellent terms with the Chinese government. This means no Tibetan Uprising and no exile in India for the Dalai Lama. This removes another point of contention.
All in all, I think Jawaharlal Nehru and Chiang would get along fairly well, as both sought to forge their own paths for their nations in the new world shaped by the Cold War.
As for Pakistan, Nepal, and Bhutan, I'd say that these would be largely the same as India.
During the Bangladeshi War of Independence, I can imagine China staying completely neutral to avoid angering the Indians or Pakistanis.
Sri Lanka and the Maldives wouldn't really be of importance to China until trading relationships developed later in the 1960s or 1970s. But I can imagine China being on good terms with South Asia as a whole. Although one issue might be Sikkim. Distantly related to the Chinese, I can imagine the Sikkimese Royal Government forging closer ties to China instead of India in this timeline, against the will of the Sikkimese people of course. Maybe in 1975, Sikkim joins China instead, deciding that China is the best option to preserving the King's power, similar to the system of the Dalai Lama, where the King would become "governor" of Sikkim Province but retain his power.
@@TheAlrightyOneSounds fascinating. Thanks for taking the time to explain how things will be like in this alternate timeline. I understand you've likely got a full plate, and I am curious if you plan on doing an alternate timeline in which the Indian subcontinent was not partitioned after the end of British rule sometime down the line.
@@garfieldstephensonwu142 No problem.
I don't plan on doing a standalone non-partitioned India what if. My next what if, coming ASAP, is set in Europe. However, in the one after that, keep an eye out for an unpartitioned South Asia in the background. It will get its time in the next story.
And I will delve a little into the society and politics of this unpartitioned state.
Best,
Alrighty
I doubt Chiang would implement the “Great leap forward” as he defintely knew it would be disastrous. He would implement industrial plans but would not do it this way.
I just chose that name for the sake of familiarity. Immediately after I say it's called the great leap forward I mention that the backbone of the plan is foreign investments. He doesn't have farmers making steel in their backyards. It's a totally different beast from Mao's Great Leap Forward.
Sikkim, a state within India, would like likely remain a(n independent) kingdom, as part of the reason India had the kingdom as a client state was as an immediate buffer with the communists on the border.
There was an alliance between Chiang Kai-shek and the Japanese generals who were recruited as military advisors to fight against The CCP.
Please do in the future about "What if the Philippines won the Philippine-American War(1899-1902)?".
That's definitely something I'd look into doing in the future. I currently have a schedule of different videos coming up that I'm working on. For the time being, if you wanted Philippines related content, check out my "What if the Spanish-American War Never Happened?" video.
Cheers,
Alrighty
@@TheAlrightyOneHey. It's me. I change my mind about the future what if about the Philippines. So instead of Philippine-American what if timeline, how about "What if the Philippine Revolution of 1896 succeeded?" alternate history? The thing that the Philippine Revolution of 1896 was a failure despite the Philippines gained independence because of some reasons rivalry factions within the revolutionary army, incompetent politicians, corruption and worse, self interests for power rather than fight for independence and national unity. The biggest reason the revolution failed because the new established government that would become the first Republic of the Philippines under Emilio Aguinaldo as the first President that would be the betrayal and execution of Andres Bonifacio, a poor uneducated man who founded the revolutionary organization known as "Katipunan" that started the revolution in the first place. While Aguinaldo has numerous victories in battle during the revolution, Bonifacio suffered heavy losses which is why the revolutionaries chose Aguinaldo to be elected as President of the new government due of his high popularity during the Tejeros Convention(the first unofficial election in the Philippines). Bonifacio would elected as Director of Interior(which was a predecessor of DILG(Department of Interior & Local Government) Secretary today) but a lawyer of Magdalo faction named Daniel Tirona rejected Bonifacio to his position. Bonifacio(who sided with rival Magdiwang faction) was furious and demanded an apology but Tirona refused which he pulls out a revolver to threaten him to kill but his subordinates managed to calm him down before he told everyone that the election was sham. Bonifacio would form his own government away from the new government with his own allies but the new government knew this and they sent their forces to captured Bonifacio. Bonifacio and his brother Procopio were arrested and charge for treason. Aguinaldo originally plan to sent them to exile but the cabinet convince him to change to sentence in death. So Bonifacio and his brother were executed in Mt. Tala by the government soldiers Bonifacio's death marked the beginning of the end of independence for Philippines and lead into a darker consequences for Aguinaldo and his government despite the nation declared the independence in June 12, 1898. His government would lose to the superior United States of America in Philippine-American War as the nation would under US for some years until it declared their independence in 1946 after WW2. While the Philippines received ups & downs, it face numerous struggles as corruption, self interests and greed would consume the government and the public still felt to this day. Some modern Filipinos and historians believe all of its problems were started when Aguinaldo ordered the execution of Bonifacio while others believe the incompetent and dictatorial rule under Aguinaldo led their loss by the Americans during the Philippine-American War. So imagine things could have gone differently if the Philippines Revolution of 1896 succeeded. I think the discovery of the revolutionary plot by the Spanish soldiers which led the arrest of many members of Katipunan due of one of the Katipunan members made a mistake and accidentally exposed to a Spanish friar. This led Bonifacio and the Katipunan launched an attack to a fort prematurely which it became a battlefield that would become a place today as "Pinaglabanan". Bonifacio and the Katipunan would lose the battle as Dr. Jose Rizal, the national hero of the Philippineswho was exiled in Dapitan, predicted that the revolution will fail due of lack of weapons and Spanish weapon superiority and sadly, he was right. It is because of an idiot Katipunan member's blunder that the revolutionary plot was exposed by the Spanish. But imagine this would never happen, the revolution might succeeded.
I guess would the POD start if Antonio Luna was never assassinated?
I was wondering if you can do an alt-hist discussion video on like the Lebanese Civil War such as what if the Lebanese Front made a decisive victory? 🌲🇱🇧🌲
I've taken your suggestions into account! Expect a video on this eventually!
53:01 LMAO
As Uncle Roger said, "Haiyaa, why you get capture while eating Egg Fry Rice. You are failure, like your father"
I heard this in his voice so clearly. I'm 100% certain in this timeline we'd get a video of Uncle Roger reacting to a Mongolian War documentary.
I have an intresting thought you can do this down the line if you want to do this what if but I would like to see a what if Russia's provesional goverment or what if the Tsar of Russia was stil in power I know the scenarios are unlikely but would like to see it
I always ask myself this question.
Alternate History Portion Begins at 7:00
(Unrelated) who is the greatest Filipino president that is not Ramon Magsaysay?
@@Literallynoncamble Honestly, I don't really know who I'd rank second.
@@TheAlrightyOne How about Manuel L. Quezon.
@@Literallynoncamble I think that's who'd probably earn the title.
I certainly have some thoughts about the Second Sino-Japanese war section. For example the flooding of the Yellow river did serve its purpose even as it was at a horrific human cost, because the flooding did force the Japanese advance to slow down for around a month/months buying valuable time for the Chinese side to move its capital to Chongqing, as well as forcing the Japanese to assault the city of Wuhan not from the flatter northern side, but instead the more mountainous/rugged eastern side. Additionally even with a much better position and without the Communist enemy, the biggest problem for the Chinese Nationalists was the lack of equipment with the logistics of transporting goods being bottlenecked by the ability to transport goods via the Burma Road following the Japanese occupation of French Indochina, and unless the Chinese Burma army somehow is able to help the British forces in Burma hold onto northern Burma around Myitkyina, the Chinese no matter how competent their leadership wouldn't be able to do much until Burma and its logistic route was liberated. Part of the reason for Ichi-Go being successful was simply the fact, that the best Chinese forces were still tied down in Burma trying to reopen a land connection to British India where supplies for China were literally sitting around because the few transport planes allocated to the hump weren't able to transport their goods fast enough over the Himalayas.
Additionally I feel there was a distinct lack as to how the KMT party rule and administration would've differed compared to otl Taiwan, because the sheer scale of China compared to Taiwan is just so astronomically huge.
However, overall this is an excellent alternate history video with a lot of great effort put in, and I enjoyed it very much.
Realsitically the Chinese would not be able to fight the Soviets on an even footing. While the M4 sherman is a good match for the T-34, the T-44 was already built in large numbers (over 1800) by this point and out classes the sherman in all aspects (speed, armour, firepower, reliability, etc), Adtionally there were already over 700 T-54 tanks by 1950 which outclasses the equipment of even America let alone China in 1950. Furthermore there is also the soviet heavy tanks 2300 IS-3s (whose armour was still hard to deal with in the 1960s let alone 50s), aswell as 250 IS-4.
And the aircraft situation would be even more in the soviet's favour.
Adtionally the Soviets would have more experiance fighting a mechanised enemy directly and indirreclty due to ww2 (the Americans had less experiance and would be giving that 2nd hand to the Chinese).
Adtionally the soviets had successly tested their own nuclear bomb in 1949 and would be unafraid to use more against Chinese cities unless America intervened (which they you have them say they will not).
So in all likelyhood the soviet counter attack should atleast forcd the Chinese into retreat if not crush it entirely, followed by a nuclear bombing of a northern Chinese city. And the Chinese being forced to let Mongolia be 'independant' (and possibly loose other territory too like inner Mongolia)
You make many good points. I based the Soviet response to the Mongolian War off of their initial response during the early days of the Korean War. After the tide began to turn against North Korea, Stalin grew increasingly apathetic regarding the entire situation, stating (in our timeline) "So be it. Let the Americans be our neighbors." So I based the outcome of the Mongolian War off the possibility of Stalin having a similar attitude, but without Mao to come in and save North Korea (or another Communist ally to save Mongolia in this timeline). I also moved the 1953 East German uprising to 1950 in this timeline, with the more important East Germany drawing attention away from Mongolia. Lastly, in regards to the use of nuclear weapons, I'd say the other nations of the UN security council would have warned the USSR against using nuclear weapons. Although I didn't mention this in the video itself and should have included it.
All in all, you are right in saying that the USSR would most likely have won the conflict, but I had them lose for the purposes of the what if as realistically as I knew how.
Thanks so much for your comment!
Best,
Alrighty
@@TheAlrightyOneI don't know about you, but I think that this alternative Czechoslovakia could, in this alternative timeline, be technically the same as West Germany and not as modern and progressive as West Germany, to whom I heard that West Germany would not be West Germany thanks to the Marshall Plan thanks to investments the USA and the fight against communism, because it had communist neighbors, it is so possible that Czechoslovakia would be the same as West Germany
U have to understand millions also died European opium as well but thank you brother for explaining i think all rulers are good and evil he also did alot of good as well we have to continue to understand histroy.
Can u make a video about what if the Russian republic remain in power
That's one I've thought about doing numerous times. The reason why I've not yet done it is because I don't like to do common what ifs if I don't yet have a way to put my own unique spin on it. So if I find a way to make it into a unique story, I might consider doing it. But regardless, there are a lot of what ifs ahead of it in the queue, so it'll be a while regardless. :)
Cheers,
Alrighty
Dang I didn't know that this video was long
White sun in the sky😂
The monarch of Vietnam still exist. The Kingdom of Cambodia was never overthrown by a mashal. Laos was never been a war with a communist rebel
What if Nigeria somehow became a wealthy industrial power
I'm not sure when this would be made (I have a busy schedule with my what ifs right now) but this is a fascinating suggestion. I think I would definitely want to explore this idea in the future. Thanks for your comment!
Cheers,
Alrighty
Nice bro
Just a heads up: I never forgot this suggestion and have been actively working on it. Expect it early next year!
Very late reply, and you may have already seen it, but my Nigeria video was officially released!
Like how they put bruce lee in there
3 principles hao for the win!!!!
The best ending
That's what I was going for! Glad you enjoyed it!
Did japan denounce thier crimes in this timeline?
Well in this timeline, I think it is a slightly different issue. So, as you might have heard in the video, the Battle of Shanghai lasting longer allowed Wang Jingwei to evacuate Nanjing, avoiding the infamous massacre. So arguably the most infamous Japanese war crime in China is avoided. Most of Japan's war crimes are committed in Manchukuo. Because Empress Xianyu isn't as much of a puppet as Puyi, but instead an ally acting in cooperation with Japan, the Chinese blame the Manchukuo government more than Japan, although Japan is still blamed for what happened.
Because Manchukuo is seen as the main war criminal state, Japan is more willing to denounce their role as an "accomplice" to a "rogue state" that the Japanese government made the "mistake of trusting".
👌,thanks
Who become 2nd president of Korea after Kim gu
@@mingdynasty3198 I'd say the 2nd President would be Yo Un-Hyung.
How about the Japan invasion of Southeast Asia.Did it failed?
Please make a video where the Bruneian Empire survived and rapidly modernized like Meiji Japan.
Who will be the current emperor of Vietnam in this timeline
Probably one of Bao Dai's sons, Bao Long or Bao Thang. However, if we want to make it interesting, we could instead have the Chinese back a restoration of Emperor Duy Tan's bloodline due to their popularity with the Vietnamese people, in which case the current emperor would be Bao Ngoc.
This just makes real life China more depressing
I still think East Turkestan and Tibet would be independent nations in my view.
I think East Turkestan would stand the best chance to remain independent. However, I did a lot of research and learned that the Guomindang had a lot of support among some sections of the Uyghur population of Xinjiang. With a well equipped, battle-hardened army and a pro-Nationalist government already controlling parts of Xinjiang, it seemed like Nationalist Chinese control of Xinjiang (or more likely in this timeline Sinkiang) province was the most realistic scenario. But in a timeline where Chiang Kai-Shek's regime only wins the Civil War in the late 1940s, I too think that East Turkestan would retain its independence.
As for Tibet, The Tibetan Army had been left to deteriorate since the 1930s, and regardless of which Chinese army marched on Tibet, their loss was most likely inevitable. For Tibet to succeed, their Point of Divergence would have to be closer to 1911 than 1924.
Very unlikely. The kuomintang were not isolationists and there is no way east turkestan and tibet can stand up militarily against the chinese.
Wonder what the effects on global politics would have been...Would the soviets double down on Africa and south America? How would Europe deal with such a huge competitor? Etc, etc...
Without a communist China, the global balance of power would definitely tilt more towards Western liberal democracies and dictatorships. The Soviet Union would definitely double down in Africa and South America. But I think without conflicts in Asia, the United States would be able to focus on Latin America and Africa just as much as the Soviets. So we'd probably see no Communist victories/insurgencies in Central and South America and fewer Communist victories in Africa.
As for Europe, I'm not sure what their relationship will be with China in this timeline. Most likely more or less the same as in this timeline's.
@@TheAlrightyOne An other thing to take into account would be what would happen to all the white russians in China, something tells me the soviets would be more than worried to see them ruminating in Harbin and Shanghai...
@@jamesgarner327 I think eventually they would be granted citizenship by the Chiang regime. If the resources were available, perhaps eventually Russians in China would be a protected minority, and the government would work to ensure that white Russian success in China is widely disseminated in propaganda, sort of similar to Cuban-Americans in our timeline.
Regardless, after the end of the Mongolian War, I'm certain that the peace treaty between the ROC and USSR would include a provision that while White Russians could serve in the Chinese military, the ROC would be prohibited from aiding white Russian ultranationalist groups seeking to destroy the USSR.
Whose picture is in tiananmen square in this timeline
I'd say it would be Chiang Kai-Shek's picture until the mid to late 2000s, when it would be replaced with one of Sun Yat-Sen amidst a national reckoning on Chiang's legacy and human rights violations. Of course, the KMT would protest this action and probably have the portrait relocated to somewhere in Nanjing, maybe the Chiang Kai-Shek Presidential Library.
@@TheAlrightyOnewhere would Sun Fo be in this timeline? as the son of Sun Yat-sen I think he'd have some role in the ROC government after a successful unification, unless he could aswell live a life of luxury enjoying the product of his father's wishes in some estate in Taipei or HK or anywhere in modernized east china because he isn't really exiled in this universe or something
@@legob1230 I think Sun Fo would be kept away from the highest levels of power in the ROC, as Chiang Kai-shek would want to ensure he would be succeeded by his own heir, and Sun Fo being high up in the government may cause an issue with this.
At the same time though, as the son of Sun Yat-sen, Chiang would want to ensure Sun Fo's happiness, not only to be used as a propaganda figure but also to keep him as a political ally. I can imagine that Sun Fo would be appointed the governor of China's Kwangtung Province, from where both he and his father hailed. Because of how important a province it is, Sun Fo's governorship would afford him real power to make a positive change in his home province, and would thus keep him feeling placated and not sidelined.
Even after democratization in the 1980s, Chiang's efforts to keep Sun Fo a strong ally would most likely result in the Sun family establishing a deeply entrenched political dynasty in Kwangtung Province, strong enough to even weather actual democratic elections.
I wanna know how china’s entertainment industry be like movies and tv in this new timeline they known for producing low quality cinema
I'm not sure how exactly their entertainment industry would look. I'd imagine that it might be stronger as Hong Kong would be incorporated earlier. Perhaps Hong Kong may function as China's own Hollywood and pioneer high quality cinema in the Chinese movie industry.
@@TheAlrightyOnecool as frick not gona lie
@@TheAlrightyOneimagine all the movies about the epic battles they had
@@Lucas-lo2vhImagine a movie about the siege of Beijing Made a little More Epic and dragged Out while glorifying the Nationalist Victory More than it actually happened or a movie about Bruce Lee and the Idea of the perfect Chinese Nationalist. Both Sound Like an absolute blast ngl.
Did British able to defend Hong Kong successfully with nationalist help
No, the nationalists still lost the coast so they couldn’t help defend hond kong
Hey would the Nationalist have nukes like china in our timeline
Absolutely! The key scientists behind the Chinese nuclear program studied in the United States and Europe throughout the 1930s and 1940s, so their lives wouldn't have changed from the difference in the timelines. Most of them even finished their studies before the Nationalists lost the Civil War, and were teaching and working in scientific establishments throughout Republican China before the Communist takeover. The Chinese Nuclear program in our timeline was formally proposed by Chairman Mao in 1955, but was severely negatively impacted by the Anti-Rightist Campaign and Great Leap Forward. Eventually though, China got the bomb in 1964.
In the Nationalist victory timeline, I feel that Chiang Kai-Shek's regime would begin progress on developing atomic bombs sooner, perhaps as part of the military buildup in the late 1940s. Without the Civil War, Anti-Rightist Campaign, or Famine, I'd imagine that China would develop an A-Bomb around the mid-1950s. For the sake of your question, let's have them successfully detonating an A-Bomb in rural Mongolia around 1954, perhaps timed with National Day celebrations. I'd imagine that China would eventually develop true thermonuclear H-Bombs later on, perhaps around the late 1960s or early 1970s.
Fun fact: The Nationalist dictatorship in Taiwan was on the verge of developing nuclear weapons in the 1980s. By 1987, Taiwan was on track to build a working atomic bomb by 1988 or 1989. The main driving force behind the project was 89-year old former first lady Soong Mei-Ling. However, the United States pressured the Nationalist regime to halt its program.
Would this china focus on a space program
I think so. Without the Cultural Revolution, China would have established a space program in the 1950s and put a satellite into orbit by the early 1960s, ten years earlier than our timeline. I would imagine China would have sent a human being into space by the 1980s or 1990s.
Does COVID-19 exist in this alternate timeline?
It's very possible that it might have occurred, but thanks to China's strong tradition of press freedom since the end of one-party rule, word of the virus spread faster than the virus itself. Thanks to the valiant efforts of Dr. Li Wenliang, the Republic of China established a quarantine zone around Wuhan just before Chinese New Year's celebrations, and COVID-19 was more than likely limited to just Wuhan and surrounding cities.
@@TheAlrightyOneso in this timeline i would not have lost my grandma
What would happen to India?
It's impossible for U.S.-China relations to remain this good at a time when China is becoming the world's top economic superpower. It's impossible for the country to become a democracy so easily, and certainly not a multi-party democracy (so even more democratic than Japan).
Which means there will be a Sino-American split in this timeline.
I might imagine what if Sino-Vietnamese War (fought between North Vietnam and Nationalist China) turned out.
In this timeline, the Empire of Vietnam under Emperor Bao Dai survives. It's as weak as in our timeline, but is covertly backed by the Chinese government. It's not overt, especially considering the history between China and Vietnam, but covertly there are multiple Chinese Black Ops teams stationed across Vietnam in this timeline keeping the peace and surprising Communist rebellions, at least through the 50s and 60s. By the 70s Bao Dai was able to stabilize his government and security forces enough to allow Chiang Kai-Shek's forces to withdraw from Vietnam. By the 2000s I can see Vietnam as a parliamentary democracy, and I'd imagine that when the truth of the extent of Chinese involvement in post-WWII Vietnam came to light in declassified documents in the 2010s, it would badly damage the two nations' diplomatic relationships.
@@TheAlrightyOne So with NO Communist China meant Viet Minh doesn’t exist anymore? Who succeeded Bao Dai when he died and is Vietnam’s capital, in your timeline, is Hue?
@@pauljudielaugusto1061 Bao Dai was succeeded by his son, Bao Long, and the capital would be Saigon.
@@TheAlrightyOnei don't think that the diplomatic relationship would be damaged that much because the government likely knows what happened. It's the Public Support that would have diminished. This however would probably lead to Opposition Support rising and in the worst Case scenario another Chinese Intervention.
Does Bruce Lee die later in this timeline?
On May 10th, 1973, Bruce Lee would collapse during the filming of "White Sun Rising" a fictionalized Kung Fu action retelling of Sun Yat-sen's life. Lee would be rushed to Nanjing Central Hospital, where he would be diagnosed with a cranial edema caused by fluid collecting in the skull and increasing cranial pressure. Lee, never one to let negative developments get in the way of his career, would attempt to leave the hospital and continue filming. However, on the advice of his doctor's, the Nanjing Municipal Government, in consultation with the Nationalist Dictatorship, would forcibly confine Lee to Nanjing Central Hospital where he would be sedated, subjected to osmotic therapy, and finally undergo surgery to relieve the cranial pressure which was building in his brain (and eventually, combined with a powerful allergic reaction to a certain medicine, killed him in our timeline.) On July 25th, 1973, after months of virtual imprisonment and heavy sedation, Lee would be discharged from Nanjing Central for home recovery. White Sun Rising would resume filming much later in 1975, and go on to become the highest grossing film in the history of Chinese cinema, foreign or domestic. Lee would receive an official apology for his confinement in 1998, with the Chinese government justifying its actions by stating that due to his valuable status as the embodiment of the nation and a propaganda figure, they had a duty to ensure his survival. The matter was later settled for an undisclosed sum. Lee would still be alive today, and would remain a titan of Kung Fu cinema, although these days it would be from the director's chair. When not directing several movies a year, Lee would focus on philanthropic efforts for the Chinese-American community and spending time with him family.
@@TheAlrightyOne Brandon Lee would embody Asian American pop culture. And maybe in the Crow movie set, someone actually checks the revolver and made some safety checks and thus Brandon never died from his bullet wounds. Instead marries his fiancée in Ensanada, Baja California, USA. And would become the well known Asian American actor in Hollywood. His daughter or son would star in Cobra Kai. And actually help out in martial arts behind the scenes. The Lee family would live on. Very well. Regardless of USA China relations, Bruce and Brandon Lee would act as cultural bridge between East and west.
Did Tiananmen Square massacre happen?
No it did not.