This video repeatedly refers to the house at 244 Compo Road as being small or a "cottage". If you check photos of the so-called "cottage" at 244 Compo Road such as at 0:33 and 04:24 in this film you see that the residence is really a large, 3 story house, having 2 full floors plus third story attic rooms and has dozens of windows. Fitzgeralds used to host many guests there. It may not be as large as some estates in the region but is still a large house and not a "bungalow" or "cottage" no matter how often this video tries to give it those names. The THIRD Story windows in the attic rooms are indeed small. as someone has noted, and rooms would be cramped under the sloped ceilings. The Second story rooms do not have this issue. At 15:20 we see the video's creators in the house, which the caption states is the "Upstairs Bedroom Fitzgerlad House." This clearly shows there is ample headroom in the second floor and there is nothing "cramped" about it. The house is over a half mile from the Lewis mansion, not near it, although some of Lewis' extended property is adjacent to the FSF house. It resides on over an acre of land. If you have any factual information, please update us.
The Great Gatsby is a story of creative fiction made up of the imagination of its author according to his experiences in life and just made up stories.
Sometimes that is done because of ownership of a work, to alter the work so it is different from the c0pyr1ghted version.You can read the scraps of letters and picture captions to see what was being "talked" about. The transcript just says "Music" so there may have been very little narration till we get to "bucket" and the sound is back. During the credits Sam Waterston reads from the ending of the book, but the video stops with the last line of the book. In the transcript there is some back and forth obviously with Scottie's daughter Bobbie about her parents and how they were at their best when young. Worth opening the transcript to read what she says.
This is fascinating. Having done some detective work on a classic of popular literature myself, I remember the awe I felt when recognition locked into place: when I could finally match real-life names and events to their fictional counterparts. Sam Waterston's words ("a literary experience that makes your hair stand on end") are an accurate description of that moment. Thanks for sharing the film!
A rebuttal video reveals that Fred Lewis, this video’s candidate for Gatsby, was in California in 1920 so unknown to Fitzgerald. Judge for yourself by searching TH-cam for “Phantom Gatsby, a Recluse”
Fiction is FICTION!!! NOT BIOGRAPHY!!! Scott had a right to make his characters any damn way he wanted them to be. It was HIS BOOK. As writers of fiction we ALL dream up characters that are amalgams of our own qualities and those of others plus a lot of stuff we just make up. That's what art is. Stuff we MAKE UP!! There doesn't have to be a "model" for gods sake. Settings, in literature, are more often taken literally from real places and the Lewis estate and the goings on there do appear to have been the inspiration for Gatsby's house and parties. But Gatsby himself was Scott's creation, not a real person. Gatsby was a literary character that evolved from Scott's own hopes and dreams and experiences and made into an enduring literary character through the writer's art. That's what writers do. He wasn't a real person and doesn't have to be, any more than Rick Blaine or Huck Finn or James Bond or Captain Ahab or Scarlett Ohara or Rhett Butler or Scout or Nancy Drew or Popeye have to be real people. Get a grip. . This is a lot of people who aren't writers and aren't creative (with the exception of Waterston) trying to understand and explain those who are. It's futile. They'll never get it. . It's enough that they appreciate one of the finest literary talents of the twentieth century and work to shed some light on his life and times and in that respect, this is quite interesting. Nice to see pictures of those actual houses in Westport.
Although Scott and Zelda will always be mysterious to me since I could never meet them, hear them speak, spend time, this film did add just one more sweet thing to know about this fascinating couple and this superb and elegant, great writer of North America.
When candidates are chosen as models for a Fitzgerald character one must remember that contrary to Hemingway's critique Fitzgerald's characters were almost always composites.
Yes, and I can imagine him imagining himself in that mansion, wondering what would it have taken for him to be motivated for such wealth, and his own passion unfolding before his eyes into this story.
Just generally, Fitzgerald always had a terrible sense of geography. While the Westport theory makes perfect sense he likely jumbles a lot of different places together in his mind.
Wait…why do they keep talking about making a documentary IN a documentary? Is this a documentary ABOUT a documentary???? If so, why not title it so: “Warning: This is not about F. Scott Fitzgerald, this is a documentary about making a documentary about Fitzgerald”. That way we don’t have to waste our time with this bizarre effort.
@Jebb34 - You seem fully prepared to live in a world where NOTHING is quite what it appears to be? Is this laziness or fatigue or…ignorance? You’ll excuse me for INSISTING that products be exactly what they claim to be otherwise… there are consequences. Imagine that: Consequences for lies and deception? What a novelty! Trump seems to have made lying and distortion part of American culture. You may of have signed up for this…your tongue sticking out like a happy dog…spittle flying about. As for me: If you claim to have a documentary, SHOW THE DOCUMENTARY. If this is mere advertising for their personal egos (the hell with Fitzgerald?) then I will move along.
The description of Gatsbys mansion is dead on with Beacon Towers in Sans Pointe Long Island as well as geography of two peninsulas jutting out as East and West Egg.
The Gatsby story is a reimagined and fictionalized rendition of Scott's real life rejection by the wealthy Ginevra King, when he was younger. He never quite got over her and of course, she became Daisy and Scott became Gatsby in his story, which he set at a grand estate like the one he'd seen in Westport. It's that simple.
It’s fun to speculate about these things. In the end though, I wonder if it’s unkind of us to go over their personal lives with microscopes like they are just carcasses now and cannot feel it or be hurt by it. It’s important to remember in the end we are trying to understand ourselves, and because we have the luxury of this couple’s life together being exposed by the endless curiosity they aroused with their success or fame or beauty or greatness, and perhaps that they even sought after, and we are still enshrouded by the entitled privacy of being alive, we feel eager to grab the chance at self knowledge, because we can do it without exposing ourselves, only them.
Well, it's art, so, obviously no one has to explain it. It's like having a documentary about the Mona Lisa or the Scream. It is what it is to the viewer/transcends many levels. But I think its valid to discuss the macrocosm, of Fitzgerald's view and of American society. Then, on another level, we can all feel what we feel, relating to the individuals in the stories.
I agree with the documentary that Westport inspired much of Gatsby, though more of Beautiful and the Damned, especially the proximity of the millionaire and their cottage. But I think when he moved to Great Neck, he was inspired by Beacon Towers in his description of Gatsbys mansion.
Please check old photos of the Fitzgeralds' so-called "cottage" at 244 Compo Road such as the photo at 0.33 in this film. The residence is really a large , 2 story, house, with 2 dozen windows and a portico which the Fitzgeralds used to host many guests. It may not be as large as some estates in the region but is still a large house and not a "bungalow" or "cottage" no matter how often this video tries to give it those names.
@@brianwrynn3109 I think it's ``small,'' because so many of the second-story windows seem cramped; I'm sure the ceilings were low, making the whole level uncomfortable and surely nobility would consider it uninhabitable. That's the kind of floor you give to the servants. No one wants to sleep under steeply sloping ceilings.
The THIRD Story windows in the attic rooms are indeed small and room space wouid be cramped under the sloped ceilings. (See photo at 04:24) The Second story rooms do not have this issue. This is a large THREE story house (counting attic rooms), with 2 dozen windows and many rooms which the Fitzgeralds used to host numerous guests. It is over a half mile from the Lewis mansion, not near it, although some of Lewis' property is adjacent to the FSF house. If you have any factual information please update us. [ Note: TH-cam has given me a new ID for sone reason. It should be @brianwrynn3109 as before]
At 15:20 we see the video's creators in the second floor bedroom of the "Upstairs Bedroom Fitzgerlad House" This clearly shows there is ample headroom in the second floor bedroom and there is nothing "cramped" about it.@@quickchris10
Well the premise seems to argue different points. Bruccoli would have thought Westport insignificant because its not part of Fitzgerald's formative years. But it is significant, if you're wanting a complete picture of Americana, because the '20's was such a pivotal time.
Good, you saw that too. "Please check old photos of the Fitzgeralds' so-called "cottage" at 244 Compo Road such as the photo at 0.33 in this film. The residence is really a large , 2 story, house, with 2 dozen windows and a portico which the Fitzgeralds used to house many guests. It may not be as large as some estates in the region but is still a large house and not a "bungalow" or "cottage" no matter how often this video tries to give it those names.
fancy this taking so long to show up? West Egg West Port. Local historians good for you all. A great story of a story. Now, what was the real story of this Mr Lewis? The atmosphere Mr McKaig iwrites of.?
No doubt Scott used the Lewis estate and mansion in Westport as his model for the Gatsby home. The rest is a STORY folks. It's FICTION. He never met Lewis. He invented Gatsby because that's what writers do - they CREATE characters.
Fascinating documentary. The commentary on how Westport changed is very interesting -- how many individuals in the documentary voted for more immigration and no border wall? Hmm
I spent summers in Westport as a child in the 70s and 80s because I had family members who lived there. Things really started changing there in the mid-90s when all of the New Yorkers invaded. Before that, we could go to Longshore Inn and always see quite a few people we knew. When I was last at Longshore in the mid-90s, it had a very different vibe, and we didn't know a single soul there.
I actually had to read this in English class and answer questions in my end year exam! It was such a cheesy book, and waste of my last semester. Lester B Pearson high school Burlington Canada
This video repeatedly refers to the house at 244 Compo Road as being small or a "cottage". If you check photos of the so-called "cottage" at 244 Compo Road such as at 0:33 and 04:24 in this film you see that the residence is really a large, 3 story house, having 2 full floors plus third story attic rooms and has dozens of windows. Fitzgeralds used to host many guests there. It may not be as large as some estates in the region but is still a large house and not a "bungalow" or "cottage" no matter how often this video tries to give it those names. The THIRD Story windows in the attic rooms are indeed small. as someone has noted, and rooms would be cramped under the sloped ceilings. The Second story rooms do not have this issue. At 15:20 we see the video's creators in the house, which the caption states is the "Upstairs Bedroom Fitzgerlad House." This clearly shows there is ample headroom in the second floor and there is nothing "cramped" about it.
The house is over a half mile from the Lewis mansion, not near it, although some of Lewis' extended property is adjacent to the FSF house. It resides on over an acre of land. If you have any factual information, please update us.
You seem to have a point
Yes, but perhaps they are calling it a cottage because it is not an actual mansion.
@@1234cheerful Which means they do not know what the word "Cottage" means
The Great Gatsby is a story of creative fiction made up of the imagination of its author according to his experiences in life and just made up stories.
Totally agree with @patriciajoubert426 that this video keeps trying to stuff their favorite town's landscape into the FSF novel.
What happened to the video's sound from around the 15:59 mark to the 18:41 mark?
Sometimes that is done because of ownership of a work, to alter the work so it is different from the c0pyr1ghted version.You can read the scraps of letters and picture captions to see what was being "talked" about. The transcript just says "Music" so there may have been very little narration till we get to "bucket" and the sound is back. During the credits Sam Waterston reads from the ending of the book, but the video stops with the last line of the book. In the transcript there is some back and forth obviously with Scottie's daughter Bobbie about her parents and how they were at their best when young. Worth opening the transcript to read what she says.
Agreed 💯
This is fascinating. Having done some detective work on a classic of popular literature myself, I remember the awe I felt when recognition locked into place: when I could finally match real-life names and events to their fictional counterparts. Sam Waterston's words ("a literary experience that makes your hair stand on end") are an accurate description of that moment.
Thanks for sharing the film!
In the end it doesn't matter, old sport. Its art.
just watched the 1974 version of the great gatsby for the first time last night. enjoyed it very much. much more than a more recent version
I have always said that Robert Redford was Gatsby! He was perfect in the role.
It's funny how Fitzgerald's biography has more literature, drama and longer stories than all his books combined
I feel he combined locations and characters to write this book.
Shrank the house to a cottage, kept the estate, yeah.
Audio is missing from 15:50-18:43
35:36-35:57
A rebuttal video reveals that Fred Lewis, this video’s candidate for Gatsby, was in California in 1920 so unknown to Fitzgerald. Judge for yourself by searching TH-cam for “Phantom Gatsby, a Recluse”
LEWIS. Fred. Gatsby
Okay. My theory? GATSBY F SCOTT DAISY ZELDA
Thanx will do
Wow, I saw that video & now think that Mr Lewis was not a Gatsby role model
This video has made me really want to see Westport.
This is brilliant. Thank you for sharing ❇️
Fiction is FICTION!!! NOT BIOGRAPHY!!!
Scott had a right to make his characters any damn way he wanted them to be. It was HIS BOOK. As writers of fiction we ALL dream up characters that are amalgams of our own qualities and those of others plus a lot of stuff we just make up. That's what art is. Stuff we MAKE UP!! There doesn't have to be a "model" for gods sake.
Settings, in literature, are more often taken literally from real places and the Lewis estate and the goings on there do appear to have been the inspiration for Gatsby's house and parties. But Gatsby himself was Scott's creation, not a real person. Gatsby was a literary character that evolved from Scott's own hopes and dreams and experiences and made into an enduring literary character through the writer's art. That's what writers do. He wasn't a real person and doesn't have to be, any more than Rick Blaine or Huck Finn or James Bond or Captain Ahab or Scarlett Ohara or Rhett Butler or Scout or Nancy Drew or Popeye have to be real people. Get a grip. . This is a lot of people who aren't writers and aren't creative (with the exception of Waterston) trying to understand and explain those who are. It's futile. They'll never get it. . It's enough that they appreciate one of the finest literary talents of the twentieth century and work to shed some light on his life and times and in that respect, this is quite interesting. Nice to see pictures of those actual houses in Westport.
Yankees got to butt heads….
Although Scott and Zelda will always be mysterious to me since I could never meet them, hear them speak, spend time, this film did add just one more sweet thing to know about this fascinating couple and this superb and elegant, great writer of North America.
🚫 No sound beginning at 15:54 🚫
I was enjoying it till then .it was a waste after
My god I thought something happened to my audio 😂
It's seems to me that Fitzgerald used his own imagination to create image of Gatsby Together with Zelda in their's happiest time😊
Seems he stole Zelda’s work then had her put in the mad house!
Remarkable documentary 🌟
I have always loved The Great Gatsby 👏🤩🎉💗💕
Someone should form a group or something to talk about the bill; like overall themes or something
It would have been a good docu until the sound cut out. smh...
Please tel me YYYY thr isn't Nooo Sound ❓
When candidates are chosen as models for a Fitzgerald character one must remember that contrary to Hemingway's critique Fitzgerald's characters were almost always composites.
He probably blended all his experiences into his novels.
Yes, and I can imagine him imagining himself in that mansion, wondering what would it have taken for him to be motivated for such wealth, and his own passion unfolding before his eyes into this story.
Just generally, Fitzgerald always had a terrible sense of geography. While the Westport theory makes perfect sense he likely jumbles a lot of different places together in his mind.
if only they hadn't muted the part describing how the Fitzgerald'sgot together.... frustrating!
They met at a dance 1 night. At least that's the most popular story. There's another story that they met at someone's house.
I think in reality it was a dating app.
Wait…why do they keep talking about making a documentary IN a documentary? Is this a documentary ABOUT a documentary???? If so, why not title it so: “Warning: This is not about F. Scott Fitzgerald, this is a documentary about making a documentary about Fitzgerald”. That way we don’t have to waste our time with this bizarre effort.
Maybe it's a reenactment of an intended documentary.
@Jebb34 - You seem fully prepared to live in a world where NOTHING is quite what it appears to be? Is this laziness or fatigue or…ignorance? You’ll excuse me for INSISTING that products be exactly what they claim to be otherwise… there are consequences.
Imagine that: Consequences for lies and deception? What a novelty!
Trump seems to have made lying and distortion part of American culture. You may of have signed up for this…your tongue sticking out like a happy dog…spittle flying about. As for me: If you claim to have a documentary, SHOW THE DOCUMENTARY. If this is mere advertising for their personal egos (the hell with Fitzgerald?) then I will move along.
Well said.
Thank you.
🎉 Thank You
The description of Gatsbys mansion is dead on with Beacon Towers in Sans Pointe Long Island as well as geography of two peninsulas jutting out as East and West Egg.
The Gatsby story is a reimagined and fictionalized rendition of Scott's real life rejection by the wealthy Ginevra King, when he was younger. He never quite got over her and of course, she became Daisy and Scott became Gatsby in his story, which he set at a grand estate like the one he'd seen in Westport. It's that simple.
True, but Zelda also rejected him until he got rich.
It’s fun to speculate about these things. In the end though, I wonder if it’s unkind of us to go over their personal lives with microscopes like they are just carcasses now and cannot feel it or be hurt by it. It’s important to remember in the end we are trying to understand ourselves, and because we have the luxury of this couple’s life together being exposed by the endless curiosity they aroused with their success or fame or beauty or greatness, and perhaps that they even sought after, and we are still enshrouded by the entitled privacy of being alive, we feel eager to grab the chance at self knowledge, because we can do it without exposing ourselves, only them.
Well, it's art, so, obviously no one has to explain it. It's like having a documentary about the Mona Lisa or the Scream. It is what it is to the viewer/transcends many levels. But I think its valid to discuss the macrocosm, of Fitzgerald's view and of American society. Then, on another level, we can all feel what we feel, relating to the individuals in the stories.
Regrettably no sound for a long time as of Boy meets Girl.
I agree with the documentary that Westport inspired much of Gatsby, though more of Beautiful and the Damned, especially the proximity of the millionaire and their cottage.
But I think when he moved to Great Neck, he was inspired by Beacon Towers in his description of Gatsbys mansion.
Please check old photos of the Fitzgeralds' so-called "cottage" at 244 Compo Road such as the photo at 0.33 in this film. The residence is really a large , 2 story, house, with 2 dozen windows and a portico which the Fitzgeralds used to host many guests. It may not be as large as some estates in the region but is still a large house and not a "bungalow" or "cottage" no matter how often this video tries to give it those names.
@@brianwrynn3109 I think it's ``small,'' because so many of the second-story windows seem cramped; I'm sure the ceilings were low, making the whole level uncomfortable and surely nobility would consider it uninhabitable. That's the kind of floor you give to the servants. No one wants to sleep under steeply sloping ceilings.
The THIRD Story windows in the attic rooms are indeed small and room space wouid be cramped under the sloped ceilings. (See photo at 04:24) The Second story rooms do not have this issue. This is a large THREE story house (counting attic rooms), with 2 dozen windows and many rooms which the Fitzgeralds used to host numerous guests. It is over a half mile from the Lewis mansion, not near it, although some of Lewis' property is adjacent to the FSF house. If you have any factual information please update us. [ Note: TH-cam has given me a new ID for sone reason. It should be @brianwrynn3109 as before]
.]@@quickchris10
At 15:20 we see the video's creators in the second floor bedroom of the "Upstairs Bedroom Fitzgerlad House" This clearly shows there is ample headroom in the second floor bedroom and there is nothing "cramped" about it.@@quickchris10
Great doc!
Well the premise seems to argue different points. Bruccoli would have thought Westport insignificant because its not part of Fitzgerald's formative years. But it is significant, if you're wanting a complete picture of Americana, because the '20's was such a pivotal time.
No sound at halfway pt
I should live in such a "little bungalow".
Good, you saw that too. "Please check old photos of the Fitzgeralds' so-called "cottage" at 244 Compo Road such as the photo at 0.33 in this film. The residence is really a large , 2 story, house, with 2 dozen windows and a portico which the Fitzgeralds used to house many guests. It may not be as large as some estates in the region but is still a large house and not a "bungalow" or "cottage" no matter how often this video tries to give it those names.
LOL 😂
fancy this taking so long to show up? West Egg West Port. Local historians good for you all. A great story of a story. Now, what was the real story of this Mr Lewis? The atmosphere Mr McKaig iwrites of.?
No doubt Scott used the Lewis estate and mansion in Westport as his model for the Gatsby home. The rest is a STORY folks. It's FICTION. He never met Lewis. He invented Gatsby because that's what writers do - they CREATE characters.
I lost sound then picture??/????
This must hace been made in the q980s……?
Fascinating documentary.
The commentary on how Westport changed is very interesting -- how many individuals in the documentary voted for more immigration and no border wall? Hmm
Whaaat?!!😂
@@sylvia810 it's a legitimate question :)
I spent summers in Westport as a child in the 70s and 80s because I had family members who lived there. Things really started changing there in the mid-90s when all of the New Yorkers invaded. Before that, we could go to Longshore Inn and always see quite a few people we knew. When I was last at Longshore in the mid-90s, it had a very different vibe, and we didn't know a single soul there.
Wow. Demographic replacement in real time.@@lisaa.sharpe4227
I actually had to read this in English class and answer questions in my end year exam!
It was such a cheesy book, and waste of my last semester.
Lester B Pearson high school Burlington Canada
How horrifyingly shallow you are.
Well, it was written 100 years ago, and it’s still being used in schools today. Not bad, for a “cheesy” book.
Wow
I Will look at it later🔥👧🔥🔥🔥🔥
ghouls
Who cares, old Man?
Old sport?
me
Who cares? They do. So you don't have to, old sport.
Thanks for the interesting upload, D.C..💖