God is Love. Before He brought forth His Son, He was Love. It is because He is Love, that He brought forth is only begotten Son. And He manifested His Love to us by giving us His Son.
Yes so true that because of God's love he brought forth a Son, the ultimate fruit of his Love even making his love even more manifest that he gave us his only begotten.. the Trinity removes God's love by saying three co eternal beings existed by no choice of their own ... Love is a choice
God's love is part of His character which doesn't change. He through His only begotten Son freely gives us this love which becomes part of our character.
What a nonsense. As if God cannot be love unless he can express it. It’s His character, His nature. It’s like saying that a cobra isn’t a venomous snake unless it bites someone. It’s just man made very faulty “logic”. But we see this a lot, the trinity god is a god that can’t. My God is a God that can! 🙏🏽
Very true. Unfortunately so many people bring God down to "our level" and that is what Ty does when he asks his students about how many it takes to be love. His students are being led to answer that question without taking the divine nature of God into consideration.
This was great. The two of you together, bouncing ideas off each other, is a great format. You should do it more often. In my opinion. - “An implication of an implication” lol, that was gold Andy! And completely true. 😂
We were able to be in the same location at the same time so it worked out. We were able to be sitting right across from each other which is far better than doing these things through technology. I do agree though that it worked really good.
Just what trinitarians needed: yet another angle of clever conjecture to prop up something Jesus NEVER TAUGHT or even MENTIONED! Nevermind "it is written..." - we are now so supremely bright that we can drop back and fill in all the BLANKS in the Bible.
If I say Threesome we automatically think of an unfaithful marriage which we all know brings trouble . So how can we bend our minds to believe John 3:16 involves three.
@@andrewwhitehurst5001 Yes Sir looking forward to it; you can also mention Abraham threesome which a third person came into the equation which also brought trouble which exist between two nations
THATS like if a tree fell in the forest and nobody was there,would it make a noise.Let me make a note,that's the first question I'll ask God when I see Him.
@@lucianacleaningservices2229 Agreed. According to the rule of Ty Gibson, he should then argue that Adam should have been given 2 wives. It seems that his triad god must have made a mistake.
Scripture says love is the bond of perfection,in other words love holds everything together.Gods singular love holds everything together, including the Son and Holy spirit,the word.Good to see you two.
Great work showing Ty Gibson's statements come from the Catholic apologists. Ty Gibson has referred to the Catholic Church as "the church", saying things like, "This thinking was developed in the church during the 3rd and 4th century".
I think sometimes bias makes people not hear what is actually being said. Catholics have breakfast in the morning. So is breakfast suddenly a devilish practice? Of course not. Catholics also have truth in their doctrines. But where they are wrong, they are terribly wrong. But God will save his people from every church by the revelation of the truth.
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Praise Yah! Excellent presentation gentleman. We are grateful to The Father for using you to bring this truth to the people. Nader Mansour also did an excellent presentation on this but this is the first one where you tied it into the history of Catholic pagan philosophy and mysticism. An SDA pastor who was trying to teach on the Triniity he believes in was greatly offended when I asked which " church fathers" he was referring to with his teaching and he wouldnt name them and said it didnt matter. What an sad abomination it is that these men are being taught philosophy and mysticism in the cemeteries...oops...seminaries of supposed higher learning and then the sleeping virgins will have no oil in there lamps if they remain in these fallen churches. Truly Babylon is fallen, is fallen! Come out of her my people lest you share in her plagues😢😢
Amen, Brothers! So many great comments already - a different tack - The worst thing that can happen in a relationship is triangulation - ask a therapist. (Yes, that’s a human failure but aren’t we made in the image of God?) If 3 is so perfect why wasn’t marriage given between 3 humans or why didn’t God create Adam , Eve and some other creature to make 3 and have marriage be with 3? Absurd, yes but it does make the point.
God is a personal Being, who always has been the same yesterday, today and forever. and is love, mercy, meekness, longsuffering, truth, gentleness, etc. If God has always been, then his attributes have also always existed. and when He brough forth a son in His express image and in all the brightness and glory of His own person, having the same attributes, now He could express that love that always had been. in like manner Adam was created a personal being in the image of a personal God containing the attributes of his creator before Eve was, who came from Adam, out of Adam, bone of his bone, flesh of his flesh, now that attribute of Love that was in Adam could now be expressed. If we were one of the Apostles of Jesus Christ, and we all walked down to the river, what do you suppose we would have talked about.
So sad. Listening to Ty here and other of his presentations, I feel I'm being sold something. He has a "schtick" he is marketing, yes philosophy and even modern Adventist "Kool aid" mysticism. And yes, these concepts were pushed centuries ago.
Charity is a concept of love that does require "another". AGAPE is a description of divine love which IS self contained. In other words God's love does not depend on another who is lovable in order for Him to be love, ie "God is love"
How would you guys explain these: "We need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds.--Manuscript 66, 1899. and of course, "We are to co-operate with the three highest powers in heaven,--the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, --and these powers will work through us, making us workers together with God.--Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, p. 51. (1905) {Ev 617.3}
@@Whitespike77 a lot of ppl out there misleading us.i loved these guys explanation to us.all 3 God Jesus and the holy Ghost are separate persons.they have the same mindset .characters.but not 3 ppl in one body with 3 heads.God is love and was from the foundation .let us all pray to not be deceived by these other pastors twisting the bible and sop.
We understand the Holy Person to be the omnipresence of the spirit of Christ. It is referred to as a person because it brings the personal presence of Christ to us. He is the only mediator between men and God. On the other hand, notice how Ellen White said "the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person". She didn't say God was three persons. In fact, nowhere would we see any such language by her or any other Adventist in her days. We aren't omnipresent as God is, thus, we have a limited understanding of what his omnipresence is like, but we do know that the Holy Spirit is that very omnipresence and not an actual individual that we will ever meet face to face. We have a few discussions and messages on the subject that compare different statements which can be helpful. Here are a couple of suggestions: The Personhood of the Holy Spirit in Adventism th-cam.com/video/K7qbbvOdk38/w-d-xo.html The Spirit of God - Who or What is the Holy Spirit? th-cam.com/video/PB7IkA7IKL8/w-d-xo.html Blessings.
Your first quote on the HS walking the grounds is not something she wrote. it is something someone thought they heard her say. The following quote applies here: "And now to all who have a desire for truth I would say: Do not give credence to unauthenticated reports as to what Sister White has done or said or written. If you desire to know what the Lord has revealed through her, read her published works. Are there any points of interest concerning which she has not written, do not eagerly catch up and report rumors as to what she has said." 5T 696.1. So this shouldn't be used as a "proof text". With that said, it isn't a complicated subject when taken in the context of other statements such as :"It is not safe to catch the spirit from another. We want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ." 9LtMs, Lt 66, 1894, par. 18 or a published one "The reason why the churches are weak and sickly and ready to die, is that the enemy has brought influences of a discouraging nature to bear upon trembling souls. He has sought to shut Jesus from their view as the Comforter." RH August 26, 1890, par. 10 As to the second quote it is a non trinitarian statement for we certainly do believe the Holy Spirit is a power. It is triunitarians who try to say it isn't a power but a third intelligence
Hi @@S.D.P & @NamelessUsers, Thank you for your answers. I have held the same opinion for a long time. When I debate my brothers in the faith about these quotes, they choose not to see it that way. This makes me have difficulty understanding why God would inspire her to write it in that language. I guess there are always hooks for unbelief.
If you wanted a discussion I would have one with you but you don't want a discussion you want a debate. So even if you were right, you are still wrong. Please take your unholy spirit elsewhere. You don't seek for truth, you take pride in defending a dogma. If you believe you have the truth then create your own channel and present it there. Jesus didn't follow the pharisees around pointing out their error. Quite to the contrary the only time He really engaged them was when they tried to trap him much the way you are trying to trap people here. "He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." 1 John 2:6
Amen Andrew. You deliver a warranted rebuke. The spirit of Chris is one of division and discord. I have recently responded to him after a similar comment of his on another platform. I did say that I did not give up hope for him, and that he may find his way back to the old truth.@@andrewwhitehurst5001
@@paulborg869 prior to Jesus’ existence, were there three living persons of the Heavenly Trio? Or do just two living persons exist for an endless eternity?
TRINITARIANS REALLY NEED TO CONSIDER THESE QUESTIONS Ellen White has stated in her writings that the top three beings in heaven were as follows [ 1SP 17.1 ] 1st. God the Father 2nd. Jesus Christ 3rd. Lucifer Therefore, my question is how can a created angel such as Lucifer, have more authority than the eternal God the Holy Spirit? Trinitarians say that "God the Holy Spirit" is included in the Trio, but they misinterpret what Ellen White meant. If he was truly in the Godhead, he should have occupied the number three position in heaven, but he didn't, Lucifer did. Also, where is his throne? God the Father has a throne, and the Christ has a throne in heaven according to the bible, but where is any mention of the Holy Spirit having a throne? In summary, what Trinitarians don't understand is that the Holy Spirit is just the Spirit of God the Father. So, with this in mind, is the Trinity really a Christian doctrine?
if I live in the Bush on my own and don't see another person for 20yrs. Does that mean I don't have love. No, I do have love but I am just not manifesting that love. Am I devoid of love when I am alone,? No, I am just not shearing that love. Ty is so wrong.
You don't find the Trinity in the whole Bible! Matthew 28:19 and John 5:7 you don't find in Hebrew and Greek! In Greek Matthew 28:19 it's just saying "GO"! And John 5:7 is an interpolation at 1400-1500! ( J.N.Loughborough,RH.Nov. 5.1861. And read James and Ellen White," Western Tour" Review and Herald June 6,1871. " We have not as much sympathy with the Unitarians that deny the divinity of Christ,as with Trinitarians who hold that the Son is the eternal Father,and talk so mistily about the three-one God. God Gather is a Person and has a Name - I Am! Jehova. Jesus Christ is a Person and has a Name- Jesus Christ.The holy Spirit has no Name,then it is no Person. It is the Spirit of the Father and from the Son! Read Galatians 4:6!!! And 2 Corinthians 13:13. The fellowship of the holy Spirit is mentioned in one breath with the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God.The holy Spirit is called the Spirit of the Father and the Spirit of the Son.the Spirit of Christ.!!!
Actually No. Check this verse out: Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. (This means no beginning). What can I say, its sort of a language barrier in that our brains buckle at the thought of an endless past, we deal better with an endless future I suppose, but its basically us stumbling at understanding certain terminology. Think of John also, "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was GOD. The moment you get to the word was God - there is no beginning. The son hath life in himself. He is life. Grasping this is not easy. We must pray sincerely ans study more and more and more, until we come into the full image of him who bought us by his precious blood.
@@nkosimoyo2868 In proverbs 8:23 the phrase "from everlasting" is different than "through everlasting". The last phrase means without beginning but the first phrase means a beginning sometime in eternity past. John 1:1 is a powerful verse for sure! I will have a video dealing with it sometime in the near future but in short the verse says "In the beginning was the Word [Jesus], and the Word [Jesus] was with (ho) God [the Father], and the Word was God [missing "ho" so it isn't referencing an individual but a nature so it is saying Jesus has the same nature as the Father]". So the phrase "Word was God" has nothing to do with age but nature.
Ty Gibson? The wretched creedal ideology that drips from his lips reminds one of... 'Beware lest any man spoil you with through philosophy and vain deceit, after the traditions of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.' Col 2:8 The unrighteous selfhood of Ty Gibson reminds one of... 'When they feast on you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds that are without water, carried about by winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out of their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.' Jude 12 - 13
I am as far as the man saying this false position is that if God is not three He cannot be perfect. Gibson took it a lot further than that. He said if God is one then He must be a narcissist, meaning He must be evil.
“There are three living Persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers-The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit-Those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ.”-Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, 63. (Evangelism, 615. “Those who have been baptized can claim the help of the three great Worthies in heaven,-the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.”-Sermons and Talks, Vol. 1, 366. It seemed that Ellen White believed in three Persons.
The HS is a power and that quote is a good one showing just that. The next one you quote there is not actually a quote but someone's opinion of what they THOUGHT they heard her say. It is not one of her published works
@@andrewwhitehurst5001 The Holy Spirit has a personality, else He could not bear witness to our spirits and with our spirits that we are the children of God. He must also be a divine person, else He could not search out the secrets which lie hidden in the mind of God. “For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? Even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.” Manuscript 20, 1906. Personality of the Holy Spirit.-We need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds.-Manuscript 66, 1899. (From a talk to the students at the Avondale School.) {Ev 616.5} The Holy Spirit is clearly a divine Person. Act 8-29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot. Act 10-19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee. Act 13-2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
There is the idea of yin and yang along a similar line of thought - there must be evil in order to have good and they "balance" or "perfect" each other in one. But in this case it is two and not three separate entities. I ask - did there have to exist evil at all to have a perfect one? Ans: No. The presence of evil did not have to exist in order for good to exist. So God being good, it follows that evil did not need to exist in His perfect universe in order to "perfect" God any further. So Satan or evil did not need to come about in order for love and goodness to be fully and perfectly existent. God IS and God's name is I AM. He is complete as ONE single entity. Would God have had to "pre-ordain" "giving up His Son" if sin/evil had never come into existence? Did God "pre-ordain" evil then? Since God is good, then how/why could sin ever come to be in the first place? This verse is telling something but is hard to understand: Isa_45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. In the end of the conflict between good and evil, there will once again be all things united in ONE. Even the evil confesses that God is just and good in all that He does and is. It is hard to explain but must be believed by faith as the truth. Is the existence of goodness and only good then a matter of choice and only based on free choice? If all of creation eventually decides that only good should exist, then God will ultimately destroy the darkness that He created or separated out/apart from Himself in the first place. Rev 21:7, 8 All that will remain is pure light. Rev 21:23, 27 and Rev 22:5
@@qztip I think within your statement lies the answer: the best they can do is read implications into verses to get 3 gods but there are many verses that explicitly state there is one
I [Ellen White] am instructed to warn our brethren and sisters not to discuss the nature of our God. Many of the curious who attempted to open the ark of the testament, to see what was inside, were punished for their presumption. We are not to say that the Lord God of heaven is in a leaf, or in a tree; for He is not there. He sitteth upon His throne in the heavens. {4MR 57.3}
@@andrewwhitehurst5001 One evangelist said: "You cannot find Christ in theology, but there's theology in Christ." in beholding the life of the son of God from his incarnation to his death and resurrection, what beauty, what wonder fills the soul.
THE ONENESS/TRINITARIAN DOCTRINE EXPLAINED AT LAST : YHWH, the Most High God, planned and prophesied for Himself to send Himself to Earth as his own Son: agreeing with Himself, He volunteered Himself to His self to offer Himself in obedience to His self. Then He impregnated a woman with Himself, in order to become His Son - who was really just Himself - who prayed to Himself and begged Himself not to let this happen to Himself, before finally forsaking Himself and obeying Himself unto death to prove His loyalty to Himself. While dead, He resurrected Himself so that He could return to Himself to sit at His own right hand, and to serve as a mediator between mankind and Himself. With Satan's forces defeated, in the end, He turns His kingdom back over to Himself, ruling alongside His self forever.
The Holy Spirit is the Comforter, in Christ’s name. He personifies Christ, yet is a distinct personality. Ms93.1893.8 Distinct means "not the same as" "another"
@@ramena3-h3f DA 439 “Your energy and efficiency in the upbuilding of my kingdom, Jesus says, depend upon your receiving of My Spirit.” 13MR 313.3 “The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ; it is His representative.” 14 MR 84.3 - “The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, which is sent to all men to give them sufficiency, that through His grace we might be complete in Him.” Written January 2, 1894, from Melbourne, Australia, to Jacob Christiansen, captain of the mission ship Pitcairn EMs 36-1891 par 42 - “God help us that we may be sanctified through the truth and that sanctification shall have its influence to leaven those that are around us-not the leaven of malice, not the leaven of jealousy, not the leaven of evil surmisings, but it is the leaven of the spirit of Jesus Christ, which is sent down from heaven, called the Holy Ghost, and that Spirit affects the heart and the character.” EA 231.1 “True faith and repose in God are always accompanied by the illuminations of the Holy Spirit, whose temple we are. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, it is His representative. Here is the divine agency that carries conviction to hearts. When the power of His spirit is revealed through the servants of God, we behold divinity flashing through humanity.” AA 49.2 “Christ declared that the divine influence of His Spirit was to be with His followers unto the end. From the Day of Pentecost to the present time, the Comforter has been sent to all who have yielded themselves fully to the Lord and to His service.” RH, January 24, 1882 par. 3 “It is the indwelling of Christ in the soul, the development of his spirit in the life. The Christian experience is a constant effort to conform the human will to the will of Christ, and to form the character according to the divine model.” GCB April 25, 1901, Art. A, par. 16 “We need an abiding Christ. The angels of God are near us to help us in our work. We are co-laborers with God, and we need the Spirit of Christ. Let us walk with Christ, and then we shall always be in connection with heaven. The sweet Spirit of the Saviour will fill our hearts, enabling us to help one another.” RH April 5, 1906, par. 16 “The Holy Spirit, which proceeds from the only begotten Son of God, binds the human agent, body, soul, and spirit, to the perfect, divine-human nature of Christ. This union is represented by the union of the vine and the branches. Finite man is united to the manhood of Christ. Through faith human nature is assimilated with Christ's nature. We are made one with God in Christ.” 25LtMs, Ms 61, 1910, par. 10 “We must have more of the spirit of Jesus Christ. Your standard must be held with a firm grasp and our souls brought under the sanctification of the Holy Spirit of Christ.” RH February 1, 1912, par. 14 “When we welcome the spirit of Christ into our hearts, he gives his grace in large measure. When we reach out for him, he reaches out for us. Never does he refuse the hand that is stretched out for aid.” RH, November 29, 1892 par. 3 “..the holy Spirit is the comforter, as the personal presence of Christ to the soul.” 9T 189.3 “They have one God and one Saviour; and one Spirit-the Spirit of Christ-is to bring unity into their ranks.”
@@ramena3-h3f The reason why the churches are weak and sickly and ready to die, is that the enemy has brought influences of a discouraging nature to bear upon trembling souls. He has sought to shut Jesus from their view as THE Comforter. RH August 26, 1890, par. 10
I think your whole talk is biased and misplaced. The point of God being three persons is there in scripture. You just have to be diligent and study it out. You took an attempt to explain findings and made it the subject of discussion. Thats like replying to the last line of a letter and ignoring the prior 3 pages. The message is that God in the bible shows us that he is 3 persons. "And God said Let US [PLURAL] make man in our own image..." and God made man in his [SINGULAR] own image, in the image of God [PLURAL] made he them. Ty Gibson's strong point is not about love needing 3 persons to be perfect. It is a comment made by study and compilation of scriptures and trying to help fellow believers by painting a picture for them. Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; - This verse is Christ speaking of his being from everlasting. Looking at the sanctuary service you will find that the Holy Spirit also plays a crucial role. And if you deepen your study you will find that Salvation is worked by them 3. And each gives glory to the other, just as we ultimately learn to give God all the glory - while he turns and says Well done thou good and faithfull servant. The question is: Is God one individual supreme being, or is God 3 supreme beings (who are one)? Then from there...we can maybe talk about the 3 persons being necessary for love to be perfect or not.
Why does 'us' have to be three? “The Sovereign of the universe was not alone in His work of beneficence. He had an associate-a co-worker who could appreciate His purposes, and could share His joy in giving happiness to created beings. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.” John 1:1,2. “Christ, the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father - one in nature, in character, in purpose - the only being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God.” PP p. 34 In this statement, AN associate, A co-worker and then it clearly states who that associate and co-worker is - Chirst, the Word, the only begotten of God.
You say that "God in the Bible shows us that he is 3 persons". You then quote Genesis 1:26 as proof. Read the following: "And I saw that when God said to his Son, Let us make man in our image, Satan was jealous of Jesus. He wished to be consulted concerning the formation of man. He was filled with envy, jealousy and hatred. He wished to be the highest in heaven, next to God, and receive the highest honors. Until this time all heaven was in order, harmony and perfect subjection to the government of God." . 1SG 17.1. So God is actually singular and it is the Father and that is why the next verse is singular therefore Genesis 1:26 doesn't prove a triune god. Proverbs 8:30 is Jesus speaking, correct. But it doesn't say He has always been, quite to the contrary it says He had a beginning. "When there were no depths, I was *brought forth*; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I *brought forth*:" "And if you deepen your study you will find that Salvation is worked by them 3." I have not found a verse saying that but I have found the following verse which speaks of the plan of salvation. Mal 6:13 "and the counsel of peace shall be between them both (literally two)."
God the Father doesn’t require anything to be who he says he is. Ty is pointing to an action not who God is. It actually makes me sick. The Bible tells me God is… God IS love! How dare someone put rules before God… this is truly the spirit of Satan… did God really say? 😳
So sad. Listening to Ty here and other of his presentations, I feel I'm being sold something. He has a "schtick" he is marketing, yes philosophy and even modern Adventist "Kool aid" mysticism. And yes, these concepts were pushed centuries ago.
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God did not need another person to be love. In the same manner, He didn't need us to sin in order to be forgiving, patient, or long-suffering.
The Godhead loved so they created. Yes God wanted more beings to love
Amen sister
God IS love. He doesn't depend on anyone to be who HE IS
well said!
Indeed, these are human philosophies. It brings to mind Matthew 24: 4. " Take heed that no man deceive you."
Unfortunately it seems there are quite a few who are being deceived
“God is love. God is, in himself, in his essence, love.” SpTA06 4.1
simple, to the point and clear
God is Love.
Before He brought forth His Son, He was Love.
It is because He is Love, that He brought forth is only begotten Son.
And He manifested His Love to us by giving us His Son.
Amen
Yes so true that because of God's love he brought forth a Son, the ultimate fruit of his Love even making his love even more manifest that he gave us his only begotten.. the Trinity removes God's love by saying three co eternal beings existed by no choice of their own ... Love is a choice
When I listen to Ty Gibson talk about this all I hear is babel
Babel/Babylon
@@peterwilliams843 starting with the words he uses in the video like the word rituals 😅😅😅
@@andrewwhitehurst5001 totally not a bible way 🤣
Amen. Very well presented. Makes absolute sense. Thank you so much
Amen & Amen! Praise the Lord for this beautiful truth!
What a nice rcc explanation by TY. THEY ARE AMONG US.
God's love is part of His character which doesn't change. He through His only begotten Son freely gives us this love which becomes part of our character.
very true
Yes AMEN! Paul describes that thought well when he exclaims SHALL WE SIN THAT GRACE MAY ABOUND?!
Amen Brothers! there is a confusion between, existence and expression of love. God bless.
That was something I wanted to delve into also but just didn't have time.
What a nonsense. As if God cannot be love unless he can express it. It’s His character, His nature. It’s like saying that a cobra isn’t a venomous snake unless it bites someone. It’s just man made very faulty “logic”. But we see this a lot, the trinity god is a god that can’t. My God is a God that can! 🙏🏽
Very true. Unfortunately so many people bring God down to "our level" and that is what Ty does when he asks his students about how many it takes to be love. His students are being led to answer that question without taking the divine nature of God into consideration.
This was great. The two of you together, bouncing ideas off each other, is a great format. You should do it more often. In my opinion. - “An implication of an implication” lol, that was gold Andy! And completely true. 😂
We were able to be in the same location at the same time so it worked out. We were able to be sitting right across from each other which is far better than doing these things through technology. I do agree though that it worked really good.
Just what trinitarians needed: yet another angle of clever conjecture to prop up something Jesus NEVER TAUGHT or even MENTIONED! Nevermind "it is written..." - we are now so supremely bright that we can drop back and fill in all the BLANKS in the Bible.
No WE'RE not so clever. It is Ty who is too clever for his own good.
If I say Threesome we automatically think of an unfaithful marriage which we all know brings trouble . So how can we bend our minds to believe John 3:16 involves three.
Good point. I had thought about bringing that thought into play here but decided to keep it for an upcoming presentation.
Same thought I had a trinity or more of husband and wives 😅😢
The husband the wife and love makes three love has a life of its own.
@@andrewwhitehurst5001 Yes Sir looking forward to it; you can also mention Abraham threesome which a third person came into the equation which also brought trouble which exist between two nations
And Ty Gibson said...
'Honey is not sweet until it is tasted'.
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THATS like if a tree fell in the forest and nobody was there,would it make a noise.Let me make a note,that's the first question I'll ask God when I see Him.
@@fredsimmons2793 Yes and amen.
I too will ask our Father, if like him and his Begotten Son have a spirit, Does 'god the spirit' also have a spirit?🤔
Amen brothers, amen
What if a marriage has no kids? So that marriage has no love?
Good question!
And,
When a a marriage begets 10 children, then the magic Ty number would be 12.
Correct?
@@SevenThunders-si4ci yes true we can't listen to false teachings .the end is so near.i pray always not to be deceived
Then I guess With this theory of love you have to add another husband or another wife so you can have a perfect love ? Or a happy love ? 😅
@@lucianacleaningservices2229 Agreed.
According to the rule of Ty Gibson, he should then argue that Adam should have been given 2 wives. It seems that his triad god must have made a mistake.
Scripture says love is the bond of perfection,in other words love holds everything together.Gods singular love holds everything together, including the Son and Holy spirit,the word.Good to see you two.
That is a good point. Thank you for watching and commenting
Great work showing Ty Gibson's statements come from the Catholic apologists. Ty Gibson has referred to the Catholic Church as "the church", saying things like, "This thinking was developed in the church during the 3rd and 4th century".
I think sometimes bias makes people not hear what is actually being said. Catholics have breakfast in the morning. So is breakfast suddenly a devilish practice? Of course not. Catholics also have truth in their doctrines. But where they are wrong, they are terribly wrong. But God will save his people from every church by the revelation of the truth.
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Sadly accurate
Three and one god is confusion , babylons teaching
Praise Yah! Excellent presentation gentleman. We are grateful to The Father for using you to bring this truth to the people. Nader Mansour also did an excellent presentation on this but this is the first one where you tied it into the history of Catholic pagan philosophy and mysticism. An SDA pastor who was trying to teach on the Triniity he believes in was greatly offended when I asked which " church fathers" he was referring to with his teaching and he wouldnt name them and said it didnt matter. What an sad abomination it is that these men are being taught philosophy and mysticism in the cemeteries...oops...seminaries of supposed higher learning and then the sleeping virgins will have no oil in there lamps if they remain in these fallen churches. Truly Babylon is fallen, is fallen! Come out of her my people lest you share in her plagues😢😢
agreed!
God IS Love. They describe him as God HAS love.
There is no such thing in my bible of a triune gods being three different persons IT' S SIMPLY NOT THERE
Amen, Brothers!
So many great comments already - a different tack - The worst thing that can happen in a relationship is triangulation - ask a therapist. (Yes, that’s a human failure but aren’t we made in the image of God?) If 3 is so perfect why wasn’t marriage given between 3 humans or why didn’t God create Adam , Eve and some other creature to make 3 and have marriage be with 3? Absurd, yes but it does make the point.
Good point on the triangulation thought
God is a personal Being, who always has been the same yesterday, today and forever. and is love, mercy, meekness, longsuffering, truth, gentleness, etc. If God has always been, then his attributes have also always existed. and when He brough forth a son in His express image and in all the brightness and glory of His own person, having the same attributes, now He could express that love that always had been. in like manner Adam was created a personal being in the image of a personal God containing the attributes of his creator before Eve was, who came from Adam, out of Adam, bone of his bone, flesh of his flesh, now that attribute of Love that was in Adam could now be expressed. If we were one of the Apostles of Jesus Christ, and we all walked down to the river, what do you suppose we would have talked about.
So sad. Listening to Ty here and other of his presentations, I feel I'm being sold something. He has a "schtick" he is marketing, yes philosophy and even modern Adventist "Kool aid" mysticism. And yes, these concepts were pushed centuries ago.
Following in Froom's footsteps.
unfortunate but true!
Charity is a concept of love that does require "another". AGAPE is a description of divine love which IS self contained. In other words God's love does not depend on another who is lovable in order for Him to be love, ie "God is love"
Anything that took another 1000 years to develop CANNOT be considered Biblical
Sounds a bit like the common good
Exactly it’s all together hand in hand 🖐️ with the papal sistem
So sad, the whole world wondered after the beast.
How would you guys explain these:
"We need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds.--Manuscript 66, 1899. and of course, "We are to co-operate with the three highest powers in heaven,--the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, --and these powers will work through us, making us workers together with God.--Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, p. 51. (1905) {Ev 617.3}
@@Whitespike77 a lot of ppl out there misleading us.i loved these guys explanation to us.all 3 God Jesus and the holy Ghost are separate persons.they have the same mindset .characters.but not 3 ppl in one body with 3 heads.God is love and was from the foundation .let us all pray to not be deceived by these other pastors twisting the bible and sop.
@@donnaearwood1009 you didn’t address the quotes.
We understand the Holy Person to be the omnipresence of the spirit of Christ. It is referred to as a person because it brings the personal presence of Christ to us. He is the only mediator between men and God.
On the other hand, notice how Ellen White said "the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person". She didn't say God was three persons. In fact, nowhere would we see any such language by her or any other Adventist in her days.
We aren't omnipresent as God is, thus, we have a limited understanding of what his omnipresence is like, but we do know that the Holy Spirit is that very omnipresence and not an actual individual that we will ever meet face to face.
We have a few discussions and messages on the subject that compare different statements which can be helpful. Here are a couple of suggestions:
The Personhood of the Holy Spirit in Adventism
th-cam.com/video/K7qbbvOdk38/w-d-xo.html
The Spirit of God - Who or What is the Holy Spirit?
th-cam.com/video/PB7IkA7IKL8/w-d-xo.html
Blessings.
Your first quote on the HS walking the grounds is not something she wrote. it is something someone thought they heard her say. The following quote applies here: "And now to all who have a desire for truth I would say: Do not give credence to unauthenticated reports as to what Sister White has done or said or written. If you desire to know what the Lord has revealed through her, read her published works. Are there any points of interest concerning which she has not written, do not eagerly catch up and report rumors as to what she has said." 5T 696.1. So this shouldn't be used as a "proof text". With that said, it isn't a complicated subject when taken in the context of other statements such as :"It is not safe to catch the spirit from another. We want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ." 9LtMs, Lt 66, 1894, par. 18 or a published one "The reason why the churches are weak and sickly and ready to die, is that the enemy has brought influences of a discouraging nature to bear upon trembling souls. He has sought to shut Jesus from their view as the Comforter." RH August 26, 1890, par. 10
As to the second quote it is a non trinitarian statement for we certainly do believe the Holy Spirit is a power. It is triunitarians who try to say it isn't a power but a third intelligence
Hi @@S.D.P & @NamelessUsers, Thank you for your answers. I have held the same opinion for a long time. When I debate my brothers in the faith about these quotes, they choose not to see it that way. This makes me have difficulty understanding why God would inspire her to write it in that language. I guess there are always hooks for unbelief.
Prior to Jesus being begotten, was the Heavenly Trio a Duo?
If you wanted a discussion I would have one with you but you don't want a discussion you want a debate. So even if you were right, you are still wrong. Please take your unholy spirit elsewhere. You don't seek for truth, you take pride in defending a dogma. If you believe you have the truth then create your own channel and present it there. Jesus didn't follow the pharisees around pointing out their error. Quite to the contrary the only time He really engaged them was when they tried to trap him much the way you are trying to trap people here. "He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." 1 John 2:6
Amen Andrew. You deliver a warranted rebuke.
The spirit of Chris is one of division and discord.
I have recently responded to him after a similar comment of his on another platform.
I did say that I did not give up hope for him, and that he may find his way back to the old truth.@@andrewwhitehurst5001
Chris what are you talking about?
@@paulborg869 prior to Jesus’ existence, were there three living persons of the Heavenly Trio? Or do just two living persons exist for an endless eternity?
Amen ❤
TRINITARIANS REALLY NEED TO CONSIDER THESE QUESTIONS
Ellen White has stated in her writings that the top three beings in heaven were as follows [ 1SP 17.1 ]
1st. God the Father
2nd. Jesus Christ
3rd. Lucifer
Therefore, my question is how can a created angel such as Lucifer, have more authority than the eternal God the Holy Spirit?
Trinitarians say that "God the Holy Spirit" is included in the Trio, but they misinterpret what Ellen White meant. If he was truly in the Godhead, he should have occupied the number three position in heaven, but he didn't, Lucifer did.
Also, where is his throne?
God the Father has a throne, and the Christ has a throne in heaven according to the bible, but where is any mention of the Holy Spirit having a throne?
In summary, what Trinitarians don't understand is that the Holy Spirit is just the Spirit of God the Father.
So, with this in mind, is the Trinity really a Christian doctrine?
Those are definitely good questions!
if I live in the Bush on my own and don't see another person for 20yrs. Does that mean I don't have love. No, I do have love but I am just not manifesting that love. Am I devoid of love when I am alone,? No, I am just not shearing that love. Ty is so wrong.
that is a clear concise way of putting it
You don't find the Trinity in the whole Bible! Matthew 28:19 and John 5:7 you don't find in Hebrew and Greek! In Greek Matthew 28:19 it's just saying "GO"! And John 5:7 is an interpolation at 1400-1500! ( J.N.Loughborough,RH.Nov. 5.1861. And read James and Ellen White," Western Tour" Review and Herald June 6,1871. " We have not as much sympathy with the Unitarians that deny the divinity of Christ,as with Trinitarians who hold that the Son is the eternal Father,and talk so mistily about the three-one God. God Gather is a Person and has a Name - I Am! Jehova. Jesus Christ is a Person and has a Name- Jesus Christ.The holy Spirit has no Name,then it is no Person. It is the Spirit of the Father and from the Son! Read Galatians 4:6!!! And 2 Corinthians 13:13. The fellowship of the holy Spirit is mentioned in one breath with the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God.The holy Spirit is called the Spirit of the Father and the Spirit of the Son.the Spirit of Christ.!!!
Yes and no. Matthew 28:19 is found in every manuscript and 1 John 5:7 is an interpolation.
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Prov.8:22-30 the Son came from the Father…and Ps.2:7
Trinity is not in scripture and came from the DARK AGES!
Actually No. Check this verse out: Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. (This means no beginning). What can I say, its sort of a language barrier in that our brains buckle at the thought of an endless past, we deal better with an endless future I suppose, but its basically us stumbling at understanding certain terminology. Think of John also, "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was GOD. The moment you get to the word was God - there is no beginning. The son hath life in himself. He is life. Grasping this is not easy. We must pray sincerely ans study more and more and more, until we come into the full image of him who bought us by his precious blood.
@@nkosimoyo2868 In proverbs 8:23 the phrase "from everlasting" is different than "through everlasting". The last phrase means without beginning but the first phrase means a beginning sometime in eternity past. John 1:1 is a powerful verse for sure! I will have a video dealing with it sometime in the near future but in short the verse says "In the beginning was the Word [Jesus], and the Word [Jesus] was with (ho) God [the Father], and the Word was God [missing "ho" so it isn't referencing an individual but a nature so it is saying Jesus has the same nature as the Father]". So the phrase "Word was God" has nothing to do with age but nature.
Ty Gibson?
The wretched creedal ideology that drips from his lips reminds one of...
'Beware lest any man spoil you with through philosophy and vain deceit, after the traditions of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.' Col 2:8
The unrighteous selfhood of Ty Gibson reminds one of...
'When they feast on you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds that are without water, carried about by winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out of their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.' Jude 12 - 13
I am as far as the man saying this false position is that if God is not three He cannot be perfect.
Gibson took it a lot further than that. He said if God is one then He must be a narcissist, meaning He must be evil.
“There are three living Persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers-The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit-Those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ.”-Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, 63. (Evangelism, 615.
“Those who have been baptized can claim the help of the three great Worthies in heaven,-the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.”-Sermons and Talks, Vol. 1, 366.
It seemed that Ellen White believed in three Persons.
The HS is a power and that quote is a good one showing just that.
The next one you quote there is not actually a quote but someone's opinion of what they THOUGHT they heard her say. It is not one of her published works
@@andrewwhitehurst5001 The Holy Spirit has a personality, else He could not bear witness to our spirits and with our spirits that we are the children of God. He must also be a divine person, else He could not search out the secrets which lie hidden in the mind of God. “For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? Even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.” Manuscript 20, 1906.
Personality of the Holy Spirit.-We need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds.-Manuscript 66, 1899. (From a talk to the students at the Avondale School.) {Ev 616.5}
The Holy Spirit is clearly a divine Person.
Act 8-29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
Act 10-19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.
Act 13-2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
Ty Gibson logic is beautifully absurd.
that is a good way of putting it. unfortunately people seem to get hung up on the "beauty" part and totally miss the "absurd" part!
There is the idea of yin and yang along a similar line of thought - there must be evil in order to have good and they "balance" or "perfect" each other in one. But in this case it is two and not three separate entities. I ask - did there have to exist evil at all to have a perfect one? Ans: No. The presence of evil did not have to exist in order for good to exist. So God being good, it follows that evil did not need to exist in His perfect universe in order to "perfect" God any further. So Satan or evil did not need to come about in order for love and goodness to be fully and perfectly existent. God IS and God's name is I AM. He is complete as ONE single entity. Would God have had to "pre-ordain" "giving up His Son" if sin/evil had never come into existence? Did God "pre-ordain" evil then? Since God is good, then how/why could sin ever come to be in the first place? This verse is telling something but is hard to understand: Isa_45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. In the end of the conflict between good and evil, there will once again be all things united in ONE. Even the evil confesses that God is just and good in all that He does and is. It is hard to explain but must be believed by faith as the truth. Is the existence of goodness and only good then a matter of choice and only based on free choice? If all of creation eventually decides that only good should exist, then God will ultimately destroy the darkness that He created or separated out/apart from Himself in the first place. Rev 21:7, 8 All that will remain is pure light. Rev 21:23, 27 and Rev 22:5
some really good points
If you want to talk about love in trinity then it is THE FATHER who begets a SON and us His created children. That is a triune of love
I just cannot be a trinitarian
I would be really interested to see how many verses imply 3 gods and how many say 1 God.
@@qztip I think within your statement lies the answer: the best they can do is read implications into verses to get 3 gods but there are many verses that explicitly state there is one
@@andrewwhitehurst5001 That has been my experience as well. I have logos, perhaps I’ll make a day of it and see what happens.
@@qztip I use Logos as well
@@andrewwhitehurst5001 it is an amazing tool
Ty Gibson shold change his name to Tri Gibson, or Try...maybe even Sly Gibson. Some might agree to Lie Gibson!
Amen and agreed.
We could nickname him, dark eye rabbi Ty? 🤔
Read Acts of the Apostles Chapter 5, pg 47…
I’ve read it just now. What are you referring to exactly?
I [Ellen White] am instructed to warn our brethren and sisters not to discuss the nature of our God. Many of the curious who attempted to open the ark of the testament, to see what was inside, were punished for their presumption. We are not to say that the Lord God of heaven is in a leaf, or in a tree; for He is not there. He sitteth upon His throne in the heavens. {4MR 57.3}
Tie Gibbet. Theology comes to intellectual murder!
That is a good point
@@andrewwhitehurst5001 One evangelist said: "You cannot find Christ in theology, but there's theology in Christ."
in beholding the life of the son of God from his incarnation to his death and resurrection, what beauty, what wonder fills the soul.
THE ONENESS/TRINITARIAN DOCTRINE EXPLAINED AT LAST : YHWH, the Most High God, planned and prophesied for Himself to send Himself to Earth as his own Son: agreeing with Himself, He volunteered Himself to His self to offer Himself in obedience to His self. Then He impregnated a woman with Himself, in order to become His Son - who was really just Himself - who prayed to Himself and begged Himself not to let this happen to Himself, before finally forsaking Himself and obeying Himself unto death to prove His loyalty to Himself. While dead, He resurrected Himself so that He could return to Himself to sit at His own right hand, and to serve as a mediator between mankind and Himself. With Satan's forces defeated, in the end, He turns His kingdom back over to Himself, ruling alongside His self forever.
Why can’t you say the Godhead. The trinity is not the same. The Godhead is three persons
Where can you find this is in the Bible ? Bible doesn’t mention god the son of god the spirit … only God the father
Jesus is the begotten son of
The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the father and the son of
The Holy Spirit is the Comforter, in Christ’s name. He personifies Christ, yet is a distinct personality. Ms93.1893.8
Distinct means "not the same as" "another"
@@ramena3-h3f DA 439 “Your energy and efficiency in the upbuilding of my kingdom, Jesus says, depend upon your receiving of My Spirit.”
13MR 313.3 “The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ; it is His representative.”
14 MR 84.3 - “The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, which is sent to all men to give them sufficiency, that through His grace we might be complete in Him.” Written January 2, 1894, from Melbourne, Australia, to Jacob Christiansen, captain of the mission ship Pitcairn
EMs 36-1891 par 42 - “God help us that we may be sanctified through the truth and that sanctification shall have its influence to leaven those that are around us-not the leaven of malice, not the leaven of jealousy, not the leaven of evil surmisings, but it is the leaven of the spirit of Jesus Christ, which is sent down from heaven, called the Holy Ghost, and that Spirit affects the heart and the character.”
EA 231.1 “True faith and repose in God are always accompanied by the illuminations of the Holy Spirit, whose temple we are. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, it is His representative. Here is the divine agency that carries conviction to hearts. When the power of His spirit is revealed through the servants of God, we behold divinity flashing through humanity.”
AA 49.2 “Christ declared that the divine influence of His Spirit was to be with His followers unto the end. From the Day of Pentecost to the present time, the Comforter has been sent to all who have yielded themselves fully to the Lord and to His service.”
RH, January 24, 1882 par. 3 “It is the indwelling of Christ in the soul, the development of his spirit in the life. The Christian experience is a constant effort to conform the human will to the will of Christ, and to form the character according to the divine model.”
GCB April 25, 1901, Art. A, par. 16 “We need an abiding Christ. The angels of God are near us to help us in our work. We are co-laborers with God, and we need the Spirit of Christ. Let us walk with Christ, and then we shall always be in connection with heaven. The sweet Spirit of the Saviour will fill our hearts, enabling us to help one another.”
RH April 5, 1906, par. 16 “The Holy Spirit, which proceeds from the only begotten Son of God, binds the human agent, body, soul, and spirit, to the perfect, divine-human nature of Christ. This union is represented by the union of the vine and the branches. Finite man is united to the manhood of Christ. Through faith human nature is assimilated with Christ's nature. We are made one with God in Christ.”
25LtMs, Ms 61, 1910, par. 10 “We must have more of the spirit of Jesus Christ. Your standard must be held with a firm grasp and our souls brought under the sanctification of the Holy Spirit of Christ.”
RH February 1, 1912, par. 14 “When we welcome the spirit of Christ into our hearts, he gives his grace in large measure. When we reach out for him, he reaches out for us. Never does he refuse the hand that is stretched out for aid.”
RH, November 29, 1892 par. 3 “..the holy Spirit is the comforter, as the personal presence of Christ to the soul.”
9T 189.3 “They have one God and one Saviour; and one Spirit-the Spirit of Christ-is to bring unity into their ranks.”
@@ramena3-h3f The reason why the churches are weak and sickly and ready to die, is that the enemy has brought influences of a discouraging nature to bear upon trembling souls. He has sought to shut Jesus from their view as THE Comforter. RH August 26, 1890, par. 10
I think your whole talk is biased and misplaced. The point of God being three persons is there in scripture. You just have to be diligent and study it out. You took an attempt to explain findings and made it the subject of discussion. Thats like replying to the last line of a letter and ignoring the prior 3 pages. The message is that God in the bible shows us that he is 3 persons. "And God said Let US [PLURAL] make man in our own image..." and God made man in his [SINGULAR] own image, in the image of God [PLURAL] made he them. Ty Gibson's strong point is not about love needing 3 persons to be perfect. It is a comment made by study and compilation of scriptures and trying to help fellow believers by painting a picture for them. Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; - This verse is Christ speaking of his being from everlasting. Looking at the sanctuary service you will find that the Holy Spirit also plays a crucial role. And if you deepen your study you will find that Salvation is worked by them 3. And each gives glory to the other, just as we ultimately learn to give God all the glory - while he turns and says Well done thou good and faithfull servant. The question is: Is God one individual supreme being, or is God 3 supreme beings (who are one)? Then from there...we can maybe talk about the 3 persons being necessary for love to be perfect or not.
Why does 'us' have to be three? “The Sovereign of the universe was not alone in His work of beneficence. He had an associate-a co-worker who could appreciate His purposes, and could share His joy in giving happiness to created beings. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.” John 1:1,2. “Christ, the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father - one in nature, in character, in purpose - the only being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God.” PP p. 34 In this statement, AN associate, A co-worker and then it clearly states who that associate and co-worker is - Chirst, the Word, the only begotten of God.
You say that "God in the Bible shows us that he is 3 persons". You then quote Genesis 1:26 as proof. Read the following: "And I saw that when God said to his Son, Let us make man in our image, Satan was jealous of Jesus. He wished to be consulted concerning the formation of man. He was filled with envy, jealousy and hatred. He wished to be the highest in heaven, next to God, and receive the highest honors. Until this time all heaven was in order, harmony and perfect subjection to the government of God." . 1SG 17.1. So God is actually singular and it is the Father and that is why the next verse is singular therefore Genesis 1:26 doesn't prove a triune god.
Proverbs 8:30 is Jesus speaking, correct. But it doesn't say He has always been, quite to the contrary it says He had a beginning. "When there were no depths, I was *brought forth*; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I *brought forth*:"
"And if you deepen your study you will find that Salvation is worked by them 3." I have not found a verse saying that but I have found the following verse which speaks of the plan of salvation. Mal 6:13 "and the counsel of peace shall be between them both (literally two)."
God is not.a trinity,,,,, this wos introduced in Adventist, in 1980-1981
To be doctrinal point. Borough from Catholic Church. Trinity.
God the Father doesn’t require anything to be who he says he is. Ty is pointing to an action not who God is. It actually makes me sick. The Bible tells me God is… God IS love! How dare someone put rules before God… this is truly the spirit of Satan… did God really say? 😳
Waste of valuable time philisophizing about time and distance and foreknowledge.
Sound like you don’t even know what you guys are talking about
So sad. Listening to Ty here and other of his presentations, I feel I'm being sold something. He has a "schtick" he is marketing, yes philosophy and even modern Adventist "Kool aid" mysticism. And yes, these concepts were pushed centuries ago.