You can never convince a pro athlete to intentionally underperform. Their pride and their paycheck depends on their performance. That being said I'm sure the organization is aware of how valuable the number 1 pick is to a rebuilding team, and how meaningless and harmful a win next week would be to the rebuild. The top brass could apply some pressure to the coaching staff to maybe perhaps not prepare as well or make some questionable coaching decisions in game. We'll see.
@@acidwizard6528 Time to take a look at the bench warmers. That's a totally understandable tactic with absolutely no playoff ramifications with this game for anyone.
Hunter is listed at 6-1 185lbs. But he is more along the lines of 6' 175. He also runs around a 4.45. Not a guy you take number 1 overall. He won't play both ways in the NFL either. Looks like a trade down is best with so many QB needy teams.
You guys obv don’t watch football the kid probably runs a 4.3 4.2 in game speed he is top three in college on both of the ball they say he couldn’t play both sides in college and he dominated , they said the same thing when he got to high school, just relax and enjoy the great we are about to be😊
Polk was a triple whammy bad selection. #1: It was a reach and #2 it missed completely #3 it sent them chasing other picks in rounds 3-5. Even if they didnt like Ladd, they could have taken a very steady offensive tackle or a center with that pick. There were 4 good possibilities there. After the Polk selection, the reach picks continued.
Kraft wants to get himself into the HOF and feels like if he can groom Mayo it will seal the deal. Completely selfish and shortsighted but that is the real reason. Also Mayo is cheap and Vrabal is not so there is that too.
@@1bla1 1) You may be overestimating the talent on this roster. There’s not a coach in the world who could make the playoffs with this team. 2) We need to rebuild, not win now. Not only do I want to lose this week, I hope we suck next year too!
Eliot Wolf has done more than enough to warrant firing. He whiffed on two of the most high profile (Okafor & Osborne) free agents and whiffed on the entire 2024 draft (besides Maye at 3, which 99% of draftniks predicted i.e - a no brainer)
They wouldn't pick 33. They would pick 35 or 36 most likely. When there is a tie in record, the tied teams cycle through the order between rounds. This happened last year where they cycled with Arizona and Washington (They had picks 3 and 34). So with 4 teams tied at 3 wins, the first team to pick in rd 1 picks 4th of those tied teams in rd 2, then 3rd of those tied teams in rd 3...
Staying at 1 and drafting hunter would be terrible and borderline malpractice. 0% chance he plays both sides except for a small package on offense. If the #1 pick only nets us a corner/gimmick reciever we will stay at the bottom of the league for all of drakes rookie contract.
@philbertacosta2905 there is no scenario where the pats should draft hunter, even if they trade back to 3 and he is still there...he is not what this team needs.
I don't know his true talent level that's for the scouts, but if he's indeed a lockdown corner, it wouldn't be so bad at all if we trade down to 5-6 then draft him. And having him in at WR for late drives where we need to score would further help us. IF, he's actually that talented. Would much more prefer Mcmillan though i think, a pure WR, or of course a LT if there's one worth drafting in the top 10, or a LB
YOU ABSOLUTELY TRADE DOWN…Trade down within the Top 5 where you can still take one of the top players available. If you can walk away with an extra first round pick next year as well as a gaining an extra 2nd round pick this year; All while being able to take one of the top players like Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, Will Johnson or Tetairoa McMillian?! You can also package both of your 2nd round picks to trade back into the first round and take someone like Tyler Booker or Tyler Warren. You take that deal EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE WEEK!!!👏🏼
If the Patriots first order of business is not addressing their horrible offensive line. Then your franchise quarterback Drake Maye will not live long enough to even see the playoffs never mind contend for the Superbowl.
100% --- look at that OL!!!! Joe Thuney?!? We don't need him - not when we can sign an undrafted scub for much less. NE's OL is one MASSIVE reach - Cole Strange - a flop at G moved over to G and a bunch of late round garbage picks or UFA who couldn't block a pass rush from the Little Beaver County Day School. Thank you Bill B for killing this team with terrible drafting. FIX THE OL - invest in it. I haven't done it recently, but in the past I've looked at the OLs of WINNING TEAMS - who they have and where they were drafted OR if they were ALREADY successful - like Thuney. Those teams invested in the OL, NE did not - and it shows
I agree and pick the best first two offensive linemen in the draft. Then some quality defensive players if you know that you can sign at least two proven wide receivers in free agency. Of course this is assuming the Patriots have the right guys making these important decisions. And the last few years this too has been a disaster.
The OL is the result of bill being cheap. Blame him for letting and trading a lot of thr OL. He thought he could substitute them with garbage and turn them into gold.
Fell in love with the Crosby trade package floating around. 1st round pick swap 2nd round pick and Crosby for first overall. Raiders Next year's number 1 pick as well seems overly ambitious but hey. Go for it
The top FA Tackles and WR’s had no interest in coming here. Wolf can’t force them to sign. As far as the draft, it’s insane to rate a class in the first year.
This is hard to answer because it depends what the teams right below you want. If they’re competing for the same players (amongst themselves; I don’t mean same players that you want), absolutely trade down! We’ve seen in a couple of recent drafts how much teams will give up just to leapfrog one or two other teams. You can get an absolute draft haul simply by trading down to #3-5. AND… What I’m NOT good at is player evaluation because I don’t watch CFB, but… assuming the majority are correct on who the Pats should pursue, and the estimate of where he’ll go… he’ll still be available at #3 or #4… maybe even #5 (this is where evaluating other teams’ needs becomes so critical). Again, it depends on the evaluation of the teams right behind you… if #2 is looking for a QB, #3 a WR, #4 a CB and #5 a RB (yes, I know, bad example, as it’s fairly unrealistic, but you see my point)… no incentive for those teams to leapfrog. So, you’re not going to gain a ton of draft capital by trading with them. But if three of them are looking for a QB, you could absolutely drag the #4 team for any picks you want (within reason)… and THEN… knowing #1-3 are likely all going for QBs… you still get your man. The only thing I will say is that it’s pretty clear to me you don’t draft the guy everyone’s talking about at #1. Again, I don’t know much about him, but just going by every analysis I’ve seen, he’s not remotely #1 pick caliber. So, you either pick someone better (but those would mostly be viewed, in a draft sense, as QBs… so, that seems illogical) or you trade down. Since the former seems illogical, it really looks the Pats have only one option… Trade down. The question is: how far down? Problem with answering this is, it’s not entirely up to them. And the draft order behind them is still a bit muddled. So, you almost can’t answer it. Ideally, as noted above, go down just a few spots, still get your man, but pull in a pretty hefty draft haul. But that depends on the exact draft order and those teams’ specific needs. You may have no choice but to trade further down, lose your man, with the saving grace being a veritable dump truck of picks. And we DO have a lot of needs; so, as long as those picks are “high enough” (quality players) it may not be bad, even if it means missing out on “our guy”. Without knowing the draft order, we can’t know which scenario is better or more likely. But one thing’s clear… Trade down.
This team in addition to a blue chip OT needs a super solid DT prospect like Mason Graham. Not a sexy pick, but with Barmore iffy and the D-line in the abysmal state it is in, wouldn't be a bad choice. All depends though on what they do in Free Agency from March on. Trade # 1 pick for something from the 5th pick on down and at least a 2nd rounder this year.
Surprised so many don’t want the excitement and electrifying talent of Travis. He brings great energy to a team and versatile and exceptional athleticism. He’ll also draw other players and free agents! Only other player id take (trading down) is McMillan
I remember this crew was prognosticating how great Javon Baker and Polk looked during preseason sand lot practices. Barf. They should trade the pick and then trade it again. I would like to see them accumulate 8 picks in the top 100. The rationale is as follows: The top 10 is not a strong class relative to previous seasons. Eliot Wolf is a poor scout and will miss on 50% of his selections. The safe place to select from is 16-100. LB and DL are the only positions where starters are plentiful. Very good TEs will be available in round 2-3. We need to grab an offensive tackle (or 2) in the 16-36 range and then use the remaining 5 top picks to draft the best player available. That way it takes all the thinking out of the selection process. I dont care if we dont pick a receiver in the draft. There are alot of pro ready defensive linemen in this draft as well as LB. Fine. Go get em. Malik Nabors is a better receiver than Travis hunter and the Giants stink. So too will the patriots in 2025 if they dont recover 5 starters in this upcoming draft.
If we trade down I want multiple first over multiple years a couple of seconds or a second a third in an opposite year, and either a good to great starting tackle or a pretty good to great receiver
Trade down a couple spots, get a franchise LT. Second round, get a Center or DT. Whatever they do, build the team from the inside out with big players exactly as Bill Parcells prescribed 30 years ago. He went from 5-11 to the SB in 4 seasons. Sounds good to me.
I hear what people are saying about the lack of Blue Chip talent at the top but that has never decreased the value before…Two of the best trades ever (and the most recent) for the top pick in the draft came in years that were considered very week QB drafts for Bryce Young and Jared Goff. They are good QBs but at the time they were not considered elite prospects. They should be able to land serious assets and still get a great player at WR or OT.
Trade with the third pick. The third pick then gets the QB they want without doubt. We get Travis Hunter (first 2 picks, will be QBs), and something like another 2nd round pick.
Because of the glut of quality QB's last year, really only 4 teams need a QB. Even if the Jets, Giants, Browns or Raiders were in love with Ward, they have very little left to trade and are all in the top 10 picks already. Only the Bills have multiple 2's and no team right now has multiple 1's. If you don't love Hunter you could maybe trade into 2026 and grab one of those better looking tackles but that's another year without a 'guarantee' at tackle. What happened here is Bill never set us up for a rebuild. We drafted Shaq Mason, Joe Thuney and Ted Karras in 15 and 16 but Bill let them walk. Those are the vets you should have right now just like Brady had all those years. All 3 of those dudes are still playing at a high level and Thuney was all-pro. This team was left on autopilot after Brady was basically let go and now Mayo is left to try and pick up the pieces.
There's nothing wrong with taking someone's 1st round pick for next season, that's usually how a trade down works. If we trade to the raiders, get their 5-8 pick and next seasons 1st rounder will definitely at least be a top 10 pick
I seen eneough of the starters we literally been watching them for weeks now. Bring in everyone else who hasnt played , starters should be done for the season , polk, baker , milton , backup lineman , safeties , isaiah bolden Marcel dial more schooler , backup LB all of them
I want 2 1s from the Giants. They need a QB, hold it hostage. Then let’s hope they or we hold the number 1 and Drew Aller is that guy - then fleece a team like the bears.
This draft is deeper with less top end talent; literally anything they’re offered is likely more valuable than staying at 1 and reaching for hunter/mcmillan/campbell
Get the best value in picks. Ik yall say the draft class is weak but panther gave a wr 2first and 2 seconds for Bryce young. If the package isn’t close to that than the pats are being weak it’s a comp for shedure and ward anyone can get em even mid table 10-20 teams that have draft capital,that’s why it’s valuable
Seeing lots of people giving up on Baker already. The recency bias is hilarious. Jefferson, Chase, Waddle, Nabers etc have all these casuals thinking 4th rounders magically develop into top tier talents year 1. That’s not how the NFL works people. If your 4th rounders pick begins showing you something by middle to end of year 2, or beginning of year 3, you’re very happy. Just look at Boutte. He was highly touted out of high school like Baker, went to a “lesser” school after transferring - and now he’s de facto WR1 for the Pats. Granted, Boutte is better served as a WR3 but my point is Baker could easily be that guy. Really, one alpha WR 1 changes the entire look of this offense because the Patriots haven’t had a WR consistently doubled in over 7 seasons now making it extremely hard to push the ball down the field consistently. We’re closer than people think - one player can change an offense
I’m surprised how many fans don’t want an exceptional athlete like him. He will be the best CB and can play 3rd downs /red zone at WR KId has a motor. I’d draft him just for the excitement
Trade pick to #2 for a second this year and sap a three next year. Then trade to the third spot for an another second this year and a third this year and a OL or DL from other teams roster. Take McMillan at #4 and move back into first round late for OL with some of the capital that was picked up. A real opportunity to make two moves and still get 4th pick and additional capital. With only two QB worth drafting , they could pull this off
How is this even a question? Who thinks about taking a player who might be better then Deion Sanders? This kid is the most talented and the most sure bet out of any player in the draft that his game will translate at the next level. We're talking T.Hill material. Taking a LT isn't gonna have even close to the same effect. Hunter will instantly take the weight off all our other receivers.
Why does Eliot Wolf get a pass? He had one season at pick 3 and got Drake Maye but whiffed on EVERY OTHER PICK. He was gahbage in the 2024 draft. Get rid of him. I don't know why so many people say the Pats have the worst roster in the NFL and then imply that Eliot Wolf was better at HIS job than Jerod Mayo. They were both really bad and should both be gone at the end of the season
Any “fan” that wants a long career out of Maye, playoffs and super bowls in the future, and a faster rebuild understands winning next week is malpractice. You HAVE to trade back at least 3-4 spots and take best available- then who knows, you have 2 extra 1st to flip for absolute franchise studs or draft prospects
If we end up with pick 1 we should call up the browns or the jets and see if jerry judy or Garrett Wilson is in play with a pick swap and maybe something else
Draft the most "in demand" player (Hunter) then trade him for a proven young O lineman and a #2 receiver. Don't trade down... the drop off is too much.
most teams don't draft a player then trade him. They usually trade spots, the way NE GM skippy "who's my daddy" Wolfe deftly traded/ROBBED the Chargers last draft. He traded #34 to the Chargers for #37 (and a late round pick) so the Chargers could take 1,000+ rookie sensation Ladd McConkey at #34 ... and we could get Ja'Lynn 'the snail;' Polk. What a JOKE. Joke head coach, joke coaching staff, joke GM, joke woke owner. What could possibly go wrong
@@Mark-wo9ytmy first point is this: Ja’lynn “the snail” Polk will surely be the better draft pick long term compared to Ladd the Chad. Secondly, firing Mayo and/or Covington after one season would be a prime example of the big “R”. That’s why we need to run it back completely next year with the exact same crew (minus AVP of course. Someone’s head needs to roll and it can’t be Jerod or Demarcus for obvious reasons).
I think it's safe to say pop Douglas is not a number one or number two same goes with KB great locker room guys!! And you can also definitely say Stevenson is not the guy!!!
2 points to make. 1) What has Elliot Wolfe done to keep his job? The roster he assembled is the worst in the NFL. We failed to add any depth or impact in FA, despite having cap room to burn. His draft was miserable. You don't get credit for taking the consensus no.3 qb with the 3rd pick. Every other pick has been dreadful. Finally, he failed to add any impact players during the season. 2) What is this magical free agency you're talking about where we fill every hole on the roster with impact starters?
I've never said this any other draft for them, in fact it's always driven me nuts.....but they need to trade back. They could get a decent haul and there's an O lineman around the 9th pick. Or about 4 more around 14-20. But ya I don't want them taking Hunter. I'd prefer we trade for an upper tier wr (or 2). We have plenty of cap, and could have some draft capital from trading out of pick 1. Plz do the right thing. And I realllllly hope it's not Mayo doing the picking too.
Woww after everyone was crapping on zannis for saying we need to start Maye … Maye is growing to be a top 5 qb in the next 3 years … so happy we started him early
They should play their young players and find out what they can do after a season or two under their teaching. Figure out what they got. Address the holes through the draft and free agency. To give up the #1 pick and what that can potentially bring in picks and quality to their development is short-sighted. Figure out what you really have. Play to evaluate. Play Milton too.
if the patriots pass up on Travis Hunter people are getting fired don't care u don't pass up on talent then another team picks him up and does good for another team like fired 100 percent fired
I want Travis for multiple reasons but most Pats fans don’t want him He’ll draw other players to the Pats I think he can play a fair amount of offensive snaps while becoming best corner in NFL everyone wants Tet
I agree I don’t think they should finish tanking! 😉 They need to give their rookies and backups, some time to play! So he can see what they have! But if they win then everyone needs to be fired! 😂😂
The biggest factor to winning today in the nfl, after obviously qb play, is offensive line play..there is simply not enough talent to supply the league with competent line play and 80% of the league roll out atrocious offensive lines every Sunday. .we have a qb, the next priority is o line and the only way to improve it is buy drafting blue chips with premium picks
Just can’t believe everyone wants to keep punting OL. Fantasy football has warped everyone’s brains. The best teams in the league win up front. Granted, this team needs a ton of help everywhere and maybe the BPA when they trade out of 1 isn’t a LT, but they need to spend multiple high picks on that line or this team is going nowhere. They can sign Higgins or trade for a guy like Metcalf afterwards but trotting out Vederian Lowe is not an option next year.
Joe Milton - 7 Step play action drop backs and deep balls to Baker ALL DAY LONG. Tell Baker he’s playing for a roster spot next year. Sit Drake and Christian Gonzalez and then hire a real GM for roster control because Wolfe is not the guy.
Denver tried hiring a coach, to coach up their Head Coach, Nathanial Hackett. Mayo had years to be coached up by Belichick. He learned nothing. Maybe, Mayo cracks a book and learns something over the summer?
@@bingobongo8701This draft class suck nobody giving up 4 1st rd picks. kraft going to want them to draft Hunter this is about money Maye to Hunter going to fill seats 🤷🏾♂️
Trade back to whoevers got the third pick for their number one and their #2 then trade that for another #1 and #2 ( maybe since this is a thin draft save some of that capital for next year)
Every rookie that you think will be here should’ve been playing once the season was a total loss especially baker. We also young linemen from last years draft that aren’t playing but you’re signing a bunch of practice squad guys and they’re starting tf
They’re out of their minds if they don’t go OL/WR. I’d personally trade down to maybe 5-8th still get an awesome OL and then use the other to get another late 1st Rd Wr or vice versa. Dude has an Oline where he runs for his life all the time. And if not that they’re getting penalties constantly. Constantly keeping them behind the chains. Usually 3rd & 10 or worse. And then has 0 weapons to throw to
Trade down, build the lines. Give Drake and the receivers more than 2 seconds to make a play. No WR is going to make much of a difference with no time anyway. And Stop teams from running at will. This “rebuild” still has no foundation.
For the love of all that is Holy.....TANK NEXT WEEK. Keep the #1 pick??? Do the Patriot's need another CB?? It couldn't hurt, but it ignores other areas of DIRE need.
I don’t want Hunter that high-his size isn’t great, he’s not blazing fast, and he didn’t really play against NFL level talent during his career. He didn’t do very well this year against Nebraska. I just don’t want a 1st pick salary for a #2 CB or slot receiver. I would definitely trade down if you could still get a top OT and WR in round 1.
Let’s be real. They’re going to win next week and screw it all up
They are dumb enough to do that, Kraft being #1 dummy.
@@caelachyt 100% this loser will put Maye out there to win against the BIlls C Team and celebrate it like he won the SB
you might be right man, you just might be right.
You can never convince a pro athlete to intentionally underperform. Their pride and their paycheck depends on their performance. That being said I'm sure the organization is aware of how valuable the number 1 pick is to a rebuilding team, and how meaningless and harmful a win next week would be to the rebuild. The top brass could apply some pressure to the coaching staff to maybe perhaps not prepare as well or make some questionable coaching decisions in game. We'll see.
@@acidwizard6528 Time to take a look at the bench warmers. That's a totally understandable tactic with absolutely no playoff ramifications with this game for anyone.
I don’t trust Eliot Wolf to even pick his nose never mind the first overall
Said well bro, said well!! You can't trust him to pick his ass with his own finger!!
That is perfect!!!
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Hunter is listed at 6-1 185lbs. But he is more along the lines of 6' 175. He also runs around a 4.45. Not a guy you take number 1 overall. He won't play both ways in the NFL either. Looks like a trade down is best with so many QB needy teams.
Trade down is literally the only way ,
Dam he only runs a 4.45 that's like 88 or barely 90 on madden he is not that fast.
He’s an ESPN product he is incredibly versatile but not great at anything. He’s a Greek diner menu as a football player
You guys obv don’t watch football the kid probably runs a 4.3 4.2 in game speed he is top three in college on both of the ball they say he couldn’t play both sides in college and he dominated , they said the same thing when he got to high school, just relax and enjoy the great we are about to be😊
@idontsleep617 this is diabolical, watch the great we gonna be. Stop it bruh
Passed on Ladd clonkey for Polk fire Elliot wolf already
Polk was a triple whammy bad selection. #1: It was a reach and #2 it missed completely #3 it sent them chasing other picks in rounds 3-5. Even if they didnt like Ladd, they could have taken a very steady offensive tackle or a center with that pick. There were 4 good possibilities there. After the Polk selection, the reach picks continued.
Polk could be the better pick long term
Don't forget he didn't address the o-line
@@bubbafromCT it’s insane how ppl automatically think 1 year define every WR they need time to develop everyone isn’t goated when they first start
@princesi your average pats fans thinks every pick is a future hall of famer. It’s only year he still got 1-2 years to show he can do it.
Can someone please explain to me why ownership feels that trying to develop Jerod Mayo is more important than winning football games?
Kraft wants to get himself into the HOF and feels like if he can groom Mayo it will seal the deal. Completely selfish and shortsighted but that is the real reason. Also Mayo is cheap and Vrabal is not so there is that too.
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I think there might be a melanin factor. 🤷🏻♂️
@Jetes233 im right there with u , seen it a mile away
@@1bla1 1) You may be overestimating the talent on this roster. There’s not a coach in the world who could make the playoffs with this team.
2) We need to rebuild, not win now. Not only do I want to lose this week, I hope we suck next year too!
I want to see Milton! Bring up Caleb Jones, play Polk and let's see what we got.
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I agree let's lock up #1 😂
Yesss so we can keep the number 1 pick 😤
@@robertboisvert671 yea play Milton to trade him . Lol Maye is our guy for the next 15 years
Polk is so terribly bad.
Eliot Wolf has done more than enough to warrant firing. He whiffed on two of the most high profile (Okafor & Osborne) free agents and whiffed on the entire 2024 draft (besides Maye at 3, which 99% of draftniks predicted i.e - a no brainer)
Unless you dump Mayo, that pick isn't going to matter.
I think the best part of the number 1 pick is the number 33 pick. There’s a big quality fall off around 35-37
totally agree with this
They wouldn't pick 33. They would pick 35 or 36 most likely. When there is a tie in record, the tied teams cycle through the order between rounds. This happened last year where they cycled with Arizona and Washington (They had picks 3 and 34). So with 4 teams tied at 3 wins, the first team to pick in rd 1 picks 4th of those tied teams in rd 2, then 3rd of those tied teams in rd 3...
The drop off was huge between Ladd and Polk. Oh wait..
@@andrew_xlr yes sir you are correct
Staying at 1 and drafting hunter would be terrible and borderline malpractice. 0% chance he plays both sides except for a small package on offense. If the #1 pick only nets us a corner/gimmick reciever we will stay at the bottom of the league for all of drakes rookie contract.
But more picks is good if whomever don't want hunter in top 3 trade back
@philbertacosta2905 there is no scenario where the pats should draft hunter, even if they trade back to 3 and he is still there...he is not what this team needs.
@@andrewsullivan3180 why isn’t he ? Because he played for Deion ?
Right
I don't know his true talent level that's for the scouts, but if he's indeed a lockdown corner, it wouldn't be so bad at all if we trade down to 5-6 then draft him. And having him in at WR for late drives where we need to score would further help us. IF, he's actually that talented.
Would much more prefer Mcmillan though i think, a pure WR, or of course a LT if there's one worth drafting in the top 10, or a LB
YOU ABSOLUTELY TRADE DOWN…Trade down within the Top 5 where you can still take one of the top players available. If you can walk away with an extra first round pick next year as well as a gaining an extra 2nd round pick this year; All while being able to take one of the top players like Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, Will Johnson or Tetairoa McMillian?! You can also package both of your 2nd round picks to trade back into the first round and take someone like Tyler Booker or Tyler Warren. You take that deal EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE WEEK!!!👏🏼
Love Tyler warren
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Worst case scenario is Mayo goes out coaches just good enough to beat the back up bills keeping his job and dropping us to the 5th overall pick
If the Patriots first order of business is not addressing their horrible offensive line. Then your franchise quarterback Drake Maye will not live long enough to even see the playoffs never mind contend for the Superbowl.
100% --- look at that OL!!!! Joe Thuney?!? We don't need him - not when we can sign an undrafted scub for much less.
NE's OL is one MASSIVE reach - Cole Strange - a flop at G moved over to G and a bunch of late round garbage picks or UFA who couldn't block a pass rush from the Little Beaver County Day School. Thank you Bill B for killing this team with terrible drafting.
FIX THE OL - invest in it. I haven't done it recently, but in the past I've looked at the OLs of WINNING TEAMS - who they have and where they were drafted OR if they were ALREADY successful - like Thuney. Those teams invested in the OL, NE did not - and it shows
First order is to clean house of the coaching staff and GM…but in the draft they absolutely need to draft at least two linemen.
I agree and pick the best first two offensive linemen in the draft. Then some quality defensive players if you know that you can sign at least two proven wide receivers in free agency. Of course this is assuming the Patriots have the right guys making these important decisions. And the last few years this too has been a disaster.
The OL is the result of bill being cheap. Blame him for letting and trading a lot of thr OL. He thought he could substitute them with garbage and turn them into gold.
@@polandfresh101 keep mayo but fire wolfe!!! At least Mayo was a former player at a high level...
Fell in love with the Crosby trade package floating around. 1st round pick swap 2nd round pick and Crosby for first overall. Raiders Next year's number 1 pick as well seems overly ambitious but hey. Go for it
Crosby is a beast, and i would love to see him in a patriots uniform.
I saw that also,luv the deal,trade the #1 for #8,a 2nd,..a1st in 2026,,and All pro Maxx at 27 yo..dang, I'd take it in a heartbeat...
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I think that Wolfe has done a worse job than Mayo. It feels like the team needs receivers and tackles as much as they did last year.
Because of draft misses, FA misses and lack of development by the position coaches. Coaching sucks as bad as the talent!!
The top FA Tackles and WR’s had no interest in coming here. Wolf can’t force them to sign.
As far as the draft, it’s insane to rate a class in the first year.
This is hard to answer because it depends what the teams right below you want. If they’re competing for the same players (amongst themselves; I don’t mean same players that you want), absolutely trade down! We’ve seen in a couple of recent drafts how much teams will give up just to leapfrog one or two other teams. You can get an absolute draft haul simply by trading down to #3-5. AND…
What I’m NOT good at is player evaluation because I don’t watch CFB, but… assuming the majority are correct on who the Pats should pursue, and the estimate of where he’ll go… he’ll still be available at #3 or #4… maybe even #5 (this is where evaluating other teams’ needs becomes so critical).
Again, it depends on the evaluation of the teams right behind you… if #2 is looking for a QB, #3 a WR, #4 a CB and #5 a RB (yes, I know, bad example, as it’s fairly unrealistic, but you see my point)… no incentive for those teams to leapfrog. So, you’re not going to gain a ton of draft capital by trading with them. But if three of them are looking for a QB, you could absolutely drag the #4 team for any picks you want (within reason)… and THEN… knowing #1-3 are likely all going for QBs… you still get your man.
The only thing I will say is that it’s pretty clear to me you don’t draft the guy everyone’s talking about at #1. Again, I don’t know much about him, but just going by every analysis I’ve seen, he’s not remotely #1 pick caliber. So, you either pick someone better (but those would mostly be viewed, in a draft sense, as QBs… so, that seems illogical) or you trade down. Since the former seems illogical, it really looks the Pats have only one option…
Trade down. The question is: how far down? Problem with answering this is, it’s not entirely up to them. And the draft order behind them is still a bit muddled. So, you almost can’t answer it. Ideally, as noted above, go down just a few spots, still get your man, but pull in a pretty hefty draft haul. But that depends on the exact draft order and those teams’ specific needs. You may have no choice but to trade further down, lose your man, with the saving grace being a veritable dump truck of picks. And we DO have a lot of needs; so, as long as those picks are “high enough” (quality players) it may not be bad, even if it means missing out on “our guy”. Without knowing the draft order, we can’t know which scenario is better or more likely. But one thing’s clear…
Trade down.
Julian Edelman is probably the only receiver the pats drafted that amounted to anything. He was a 2009 7th round draft pick.
Staying at 1 & drafting Travis is unnecessary. You’d likely be able to trade back to 3 and get Travis, even while getting a 2nd back.
Mayo is skilled at either saying nothing or saying the opposite of what is done.
This team in addition to a blue chip OT needs a super solid DT prospect like Mason Graham. Not a sexy pick, but with Barmore iffy and the D-line in the abysmal state it is in, wouldn't be a bad choice. All depends though on what they do in Free Agency from March on. Trade # 1 pick for something from the 5th pick on down and at least a 2nd rounder this year.
Mason graham or abdul carter
Surprised so many don’t want the excitement and electrifying talent of Travis. He brings great energy to a team and versatile and exceptional athleticism. He’ll also draw other players and free agents! Only other player id take (trading down) is McMillan
I remember this crew was prognosticating how great Javon Baker and Polk looked during preseason sand lot practices. Barf. They should trade the pick and then trade it again. I would like to see them accumulate 8 picks in the top 100. The rationale is as follows: The top 10 is not a strong class relative to previous seasons. Eliot Wolf is a poor scout and will miss on 50% of his selections. The safe place to select from is 16-100. LB and DL are the only positions where starters are plentiful. Very good TEs will be available in round 2-3. We need to grab an offensive tackle (or 2) in the 16-36 range and then use the remaining 5 top picks to draft the best player available. That way it takes all the thinking out of the selection process. I dont care if we dont pick a receiver in the draft. There are alot of pro ready defensive linemen in this draft as well as LB. Fine. Go get em. Malik Nabors is a better receiver than Travis hunter and the Giants stink. So too will the patriots in 2025 if they dont recover 5 starters in this upcoming draft.
If we trade down I want multiple first over multiple years a couple of seconds or a second a third in an opposite year, and either a good to great starting tackle or a pretty good to great receiver
Trade down a couple spots, get a franchise LT. Second round, get a Center or DT. Whatever they do, build the team from the inside out with big players exactly as Bill Parcells prescribed 30 years ago. He went from 5-11 to the SB in 4 seasons. Sounds good to me.
Boy were the Giants fans online upset they won yesterday. 🤣🤣
We got a strongly consider trading back and drafting the running back out of Boise State!!!!!! 5-70 yard runs is crazy!!!!
I hear what people are saying about the lack of Blue Chip talent at the top but that has never decreased the value before…Two of the best trades ever (and the most recent) for the top pick in the draft came in years that were considered very week QB drafts for Bryce Young and Jared Goff. They are good QBs but at the time they were not considered elite prospects. They should be able to land serious assets and still get a great player at WR or OT.
Sooooo nobody thinks the Pats will beat a team resting their starters?
I would use this as an evaluation game & start Milton.
Trade back for a hall and take Banks
Trade with the third pick. The third pick then gets the QB they want without doubt. We get Travis Hunter (first 2 picks, will be QBs), and something like another 2nd round pick.
Trade back and get that team’s 2026 first
I swear if we don’t drafter McMillan or Carter I will lose my mind. Hunter is a great athlete, but the best at either position he plays.
Because of the glut of quality QB's last year, really only 4 teams need a QB.
Even if the Jets, Giants, Browns or Raiders were in love with Ward, they have very little left to trade and are all in the top 10 picks already. Only the Bills have multiple 2's and no team right now has multiple 1's.
If you don't love Hunter you could maybe trade into 2026 and grab one of those better looking tackles but that's another year without a 'guarantee' at tackle.
What happened here is Bill never set us up for a rebuild. We drafted Shaq Mason, Joe Thuney and Ted Karras in 15 and 16 but Bill let them walk. Those are the vets you should have right now just like Brady had all those years. All 3 of those dudes are still playing at a high level and Thuney was all-pro.
This team was left on autopilot after Brady was basically let go and now Mayo is left to try and pick up the pieces.
There's nothing wrong with taking someone's 1st round pick for next season, that's usually how a trade down works. If we trade to the raiders, get their 5-8 pick and next seasons 1st rounder will definitely at least be a top 10 pick
Trade #1 to Giants for #2 and their 2nd next year. Trade the #2 (Hunter pick) for a #1 this year and #1 next year, plus a 2nd this year.
After firing Mayo, the 2nd most important thing is that #1 pick. They better not screw up and win.
Lots of these games came down to play calls and moves that could possibly have been tank related all along.
I seen eneough of the starters we literally been watching them for weeks now. Bring in everyone else who hasnt played , starters should be done for the season , polk, baker , milton , backup lineman , safeties , isaiah bolden Marcel dial more schooler , backup LB all of them
I want 2 1s from the Giants. They need a QB, hold it hostage. Then let’s hope they or we hold the number 1 and Drew Aller is that guy - then fleece a team like the bears.
BB would trade it and receive 3/4 picks in return ????
This draft is deeper with less top end talent; literally anything they’re offered is likely more valuable than staying at 1 and reaching for hunter/mcmillan/campbell
Trade with seattle for WR Metcalf?
Should’ve drafted him in 2019
I think we should trade back at most a few spots and see if we can net a first round pick for the 2026 draft and also still take Mason Graham
Get the best value in picks. Ik yall say the draft class is weak but panther gave a wr 2first and 2 seconds for Bryce young. If the package isn’t close to that than the pats are being weak it’s a comp for shedure and ward anyone can get em even mid table 10-20 teams that have draft capital,that’s why it’s valuable
Seeing lots of people giving up on Baker already. The recency bias is hilarious. Jefferson, Chase, Waddle, Nabers etc have all these casuals thinking 4th rounders magically develop into top tier talents year 1.
That’s not how the NFL works people. If your 4th rounders pick begins showing you something by middle to end of year 2, or beginning of year 3, you’re very happy.
Just look at Boutte. He was highly touted out of high school like Baker, went to a “lesser” school after transferring - and now he’s de facto WR1 for the Pats. Granted, Boutte is better served as a WR3 but my point is Baker could easily be that guy. Really, one alpha WR 1 changes the entire look of this offense because the Patriots haven’t had a WR consistently doubled in over 7 seasons now making it extremely hard to push the ball down the field consistently. We’re closer than people think - one player can change an offense
You are all wrong about Travis Hunter, he is going to be a stud but still you would want to trade the pick if you get a haul.
I’m surprised how many fans don’t want an exceptional athlete like him. He will be the best CB and can play 3rd downs /red zone at WR
KId has a motor. I’d draft him just for the excitement
In the NBA they have a draft lottery so teams are less likely to tank at the end of the year to get a better draft pick.
Trade pick to #2 for a second this year and sap a three next year.
Then trade to the third spot for an another second this year and a third this year and a OL or DL from other teams roster.
Take McMillan at #4 and move back into first round late for OL with some of the capital that was picked up.
A real opportunity to make two moves and still get 4th pick and additional capital. With only two QB worth drafting , they could pull this off
How is this even a question? Who thinks about taking a player who might be better then Deion Sanders? This kid is the most talented and the most sure bet out of any player in the draft that his game will translate at the next level. We're talking T.Hill material. Taking a LT isn't gonna have even close to the same effect. Hunter will instantly take the weight off all our other receivers.
Everybody saying hunter isnt going to play both ways in the nfl is crazy pats for hunter LFG
Trade back, take WR Tet McMillian, and OT Wyatt Milum in the late first (trade up)
Am I wrong saying that if you get a #1 pick you can trade back twice and still get a good piece. You can’t fuck this up
Why does Eliot Wolf get a pass? He had one season at pick 3 and got Drake Maye but whiffed on EVERY OTHER PICK. He was gahbage in the 2024 draft.
Get rid of him. I don't know why so many people say the Pats have the worst roster in the NFL and then imply that Eliot Wolf was better at HIS job than Jerod Mayo. They were both really bad and should both be gone at the end of the season
Trade the 1st pick to a QB hungry team trading back and pick a LT it’s very simple
They really don’t need #1. If the giants get the #1 back they’re 1000% drafting a qb. So regardless I think they’ll be able to get Travis.
Any “fan” that wants a long career out of Maye, playoffs and super bowls in the future, and a faster rebuild understands winning next week is malpractice.
You HAVE to trade back at least 3-4 spots and take best available- then who knows, you have 2 extra 1st to flip for absolute franchise studs or draft prospects
If we end up with pick 1 we should call up the browns or the jets and see if jerry judy or Garrett Wilson is in play with a pick swap and maybe something else
Draft the most "in demand" player (Hunter) then trade him for a proven young O lineman and a #2 receiver. Don't trade down... the drop off is too much.
most teams don't draft a player then trade him. They usually trade spots, the way NE GM skippy "who's my daddy" Wolfe deftly traded/ROBBED the Chargers last draft. He traded #34 to the Chargers for #37 (and a late round pick) so the Chargers could take 1,000+ rookie sensation Ladd McConkey at #34 ... and we could get Ja'Lynn 'the snail;' Polk.
What a JOKE. Joke head coach, joke coaching staff, joke GM, joke woke owner.
What could possibly go wrong
@@Mark-wo9ytmy first point is this: Ja’lynn “the snail” Polk will surely be the better draft pick long term compared to Ladd the Chad. Secondly, firing Mayo and/or Covington after one season would be a prime example of the big “R”. That’s why we need to run it back completely next year with the exact same crew (minus AVP of course. Someone’s head needs to roll and it can’t be Jerod or Demarcus for obvious reasons).
We need to trade down for Will Campbell/Kelvin Banks if we don't fix the LT/LG position in Free Agency.
Its so easy trade back like #3 get travis and hopefully another pick and draft o lone
That or trade back even more and get WR McMillan but I want the excitement of Hunter
I think it's safe to say pop Douglas is not a number one or number two same goes with KB great locker room guys!! And you can also definitely say Stevenson is not the guy!!!
Clean house in front office and HC or the pick situation doesn’t matter
Like trade out until 5th or 6th pick would be great with more picks come on guys gotta love it ❤️.....
2 points to make.
1) What has Elliot Wolfe done to keep his job? The roster he assembled is the worst in the NFL. We failed to add any depth or impact in FA, despite having cap room to burn. His draft was miserable. You don't get credit for taking the consensus no.3 qb with the 3rd pick. Every other pick has been dreadful. Finally, he failed to add any impact players during the season.
2) What is this magical free agency you're talking about where we fill every hole on the roster with impact starters?
I've never said this any other draft for them, in fact it's always driven me nuts.....but they need to trade back. They could get a decent haul and there's an O lineman around the 9th pick. Or about 4 more around 14-20. But ya I don't want them taking Hunter. I'd prefer we trade for an upper tier wr (or 2). We have plenty of cap, and could have some draft capital from trading out of pick 1. Plz do the right thing. And I realllllly hope it's not Mayo doing the picking too.
NE is keeping that 1st by losing to the Bills. We need to trade down big time.
And draft Hunter at 3
@moheganson Stop with the drafting Hunter crap. We have far needer positions.
We have no weapons, no pass rush, and worst O line in the NFL. After all the years of BB screwing up WR in the draft, you can't pass up on Hunter,
But please tell me how do yall really feel about drake maye
Woww after everyone was crapping on zannis for saying we need to start Maye … Maye is growing to be a top 5 qb in the next 3 years … so happy we started him early
Drake looks like he is running in concrete when he is pressured at all. We just got rid of a guy like that.
@ you have no damn clue about ball if you think Maye isn’t the most impressive rookie in the last 10 years
@ crazy
@ a rookie playing with the worst o line in the nfl . Ur joking or ignorant
I'm not sure what ur talking about he's one of the best running qbs already. Smh mac Jones doesn't come close to him nor does Jacoby.
They should play their young players and find out what they can do after a season or two under their teaching. Figure out what they got. Address the holes through the draft and free agency. To give up the #1 pick and what that can potentially bring in picks and quality to their development is short-sighted. Figure out what you really have. Play to evaluate. Play Milton too.
if the patriots pass up on Travis Hunter people are getting fired don't care u don't pass up on talent then another team picks him up and does good for another team like fired 100 percent fired
I want Travis for multiple reasons but most Pats fans don’t want him
He’ll draw other players to the Pats
I think he can play a fair amount of offensive snaps while becoming best corner in NFL
everyone wants Tet
Next Monday, Patriots hold the #4 pick, could they still draft Hunter????
If all 3 teams in front need a QB but probably not
Browns will draft him at 3
Bills gonna do everything making sure Pats gonna win
Yea we not gonna score a touchdown... let go Patriots we need this...
I agree I don’t think they should finish tanking! 😉 They need to give their rookies and backups, some time to play! So he can see what they have! But if they win then everyone needs to be fired! 😂😂
Put the draft on hold, until you fire Jerod Mayo and his staff, ASAP!
The biggest factor to winning today in the nfl, after obviously qb play, is offensive line play..there is simply not enough talent to supply the league with competent line play and 80% of the league roll out atrocious offensive lines every Sunday. .we have a qb, the next priority is o line and the only way to improve it is buy drafting blue chips with premium picks
Just can’t believe everyone wants to keep punting OL. Fantasy football has warped everyone’s brains. The best teams in the league win up front. Granted, this team needs a ton of help everywhere and maybe the BPA when they trade out of 1 isn’t a LT, but they need to spend multiple high picks on that line or this team is going nowhere. They can sign Higgins or trade for a guy like Metcalf afterwards but trotting out Vederian Lowe is not an option next year.
Joe Milton - 7 Step play action drop backs and deep balls to Baker ALL DAY LONG. Tell Baker he’s playing for a roster spot next year. Sit Drake and Christian Gonzalez and then hire a real GM for roster control because Wolfe is not the guy.
I think we should upload The front line drake need some protection an time to throw the ball
Pats should sit the starters so nobody gets hurt and we get the number 1 pick
We have starters?
Denver tried hiring a coach, to coach up their Head Coach, Nathanial Hackett.
Mayo had years to be coached up by Belichick.
He learned nothing.
Maybe, Mayo cracks a book and learns something over the summer?
"Coaching For Dummies?"
Trade the pick away to the giants to get 3 or 4 more 1st round picks, then draft McMillan at like 5
Yea I'm leaning towards that too. Hunter would be awesome, but we should definitely trade out of #1
@vinzetti22 yep, if we get 4 more 1st round picks that would be amazing, we need more than 1 cb or 1 wr
My thoughts exactly, this team needs pieces not just one piece, get draft capital
@@bingobongo8701This draft class suck nobody giving up 4 1st rd picks. kraft going to want them to draft Hunter this is about money Maye to Hunter going to fill seats 🤷🏾♂️
@glennhardwick6129 the giants or jets would do it they're not smart, the browns too
Trade back to whoevers got the third pick for their number one and their #2 then trade that for another #1 and #2 ( maybe since this is a thin draft save some of that capital for next year)
Every rookie that you think will be here should’ve been playing once the season was a total loss especially baker. We also young linemen from last years draft that aren’t playing but you’re signing a bunch of practice squad guys and they’re starting tf
I would trade down, but no further than #4.
If we keep Wolf I'll wait until 2026 when ownership finally stops being this goddammed stubborn.
I have no confidence in the Patriots current talent evaluation process
Ideally trade down for a haul, if not draft Tet McMillian
Dream is trade back for a blue chip player WR or DE and stay in the top 7. Take Banks with the pick.
You without question shut down Drake, and play only rookies on offense.
Lets be real wolf is already eyeing ryan fitzpatrick out of florida with that #1 pick
They’re out of their minds if they don’t go OL/WR. I’d personally trade down to maybe 5-8th still get an awesome OL and then use the other to get another late 1st Rd Wr or vice versa. Dude has an Oline where he runs for his life all the time. And if not that they’re getting penalties constantly. Constantly keeping them behind the chains. Usually 3rd & 10 or worse. And then has 0 weapons to throw to
Pats need browns and giants to finish #2 & #3 or 4 to pull off two trades
Don't worry, we'll try but we're so shit, it'll look like tanking! The fact that we are in this position, should result in Mayo's resignation!
Trade down, build the lines. Give Drake and the receivers more than 2 seconds to make a play. No WR is going to make much of a difference with no time anyway. And Stop teams from running at will.
This “rebuild” still has no foundation.
The better build in the trenches on both sides of the ball or it's gonna be another diabolical year in 2025
For the love of all that is Holy.....TANK NEXT WEEK. Keep the #1 pick??? Do the Patriot's need another CB?? It couldn't hurt, but it ignores other areas of DIRE need.
As a fan . We better lose
I don’t want Hunter that high-his size isn’t great, he’s not blazing fast, and he didn’t really play against NFL level talent during his career. He didn’t do very well this year against Nebraska. I just don’t want a 1st pick salary for a #2 CB or slot receiver. I would definitely trade down if you could still get a top OT and WR in round 1.
He’s Julio/Revis
He’s the only player ever to win Bednarik and Biletnikoff
He was the #1 prospect coming out of high school
You’re stupid
I agree shut down Drake Maye and start Joe Milton
No start Brisset because Milton could actually win
Trade down and still get abdul carter
This is the way
They need offense