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I'm so angry they did this. Thank you for uploading this. I really hope the composer watches this video and feels the shame he deserves for his disrespectful rearrangements. The spirit of the tracks have been so blatantly ignored. I can't believe a composer exists with the audacity to create such a humiliation. I haven't seen the game yet and I'm already concerned they miss their mark again.
the most annoying thing to me is that in the interview they boasted about having this badass ancient church organ and then they used it in a bunch of boss tracks EXCEPT THE ONLY BOSS WHO'S ORIGINAL TRACK HAD AN ORGAN!
@@NobleBruv False King Allant, the final Archdemon in the game. His theme song in the original game only had 1 instrument, an organ playing a quiet, slow, deliberate, and dread-inducing melody. It makes you feel like you're out of your depth as you fight a sinister and powerful being. It's one of the most iconic themes in the entire game, and in the remake, despite hyping up the big organ they got to use, they cut out the organ entirely and replaced it with the same generic and overly loud orchestra in every other piece.
@@139-b7j No, it doesn't. Doing that misses the point of the fight. That is actually a good analogy for the problem with the remake's ost. The Gwyn fight is meant to be melancholic and underwhelming in a way. He's the only boss of DS1 that can be parried. You can't parry the Capra Demon but you can parry Gwyn. Humiliating, isn't it? He was the Lord of Sunlight, god of gods who sacrificed himself to usher in a new era of prosperity, you see the epic side of him in the initial cutscene, his lightning bolts we so intense they became sunlight spears. But when you reach him, he isn't the Lord of Sunlight anymore, he's now merely a Lord of Cinder, as he himself has been burnt down by the First Flame and is now a hollow husk of his former self. He doesn't even use his signature lightining (even though his lightning resistance is through the roof), he's only able to swing his sword covered by the fire he went so far to preserve. Beyond the lies and illusions he and his family set up about an unsetting Sun with undying light, you see reflected in him the truth you see in Lordran in general, and in Anor Londo after you dispel the illusion of Gwynevere, the flame is dying. Keeping it alive, unable to die, has resulted in the curse of the Undead, and has caused the world to stagnate and rot. That is even more evident in DS3 since more time and more cycles have passed. Gwyn is meant to represent both the gravity of his sacrifice (refueling the flame and revitalizing the world for so long, at the cost of reducing the most powerful being in existence to a mindless zombie protecting the flame) and the state of decay the world is in. The soundtrack therefore has to fit the tone of the fight. It can't be epic or too elaborate. The original "plin plin plon" is a simple piano melody, it's quiet and melancholic, and unique. It fits perfectly the theme of the fight. The final boss doesn't have to be bombastic every time. Soul of CInder's OST is different, it works there because it was made for a different fight. The 1st phase is going for that traditional climatic final battle with the final boss, trying to hype and intimidate you at the same time as CInder attacks you and cycles through his different builds. As the amalgam of everyone who's linked the fire in the past, including every DS and DS2 character of every player that ever chose that ending, he is able to use all strategies against you, all weapon types, sorceries, pyromancies and miracles, and to combo them as he is essentially the ultimate hybrid build. It's all very overwhelming. Unlike other bosses, he's not the magic guy, or the tank, or the fire spewing monster, he's everything. An orchestral, opressive, epic theme fits here, but then it gradually dies down (as the flame, as the world) to once again remember you of the truth as it slowly introduces the "plin plin plon", the same notes coming back from DS1 as the rest of the score goes silent, as you remember the end of the first game, as the Soul of Cinder remembers the first one who became fuel for the fire, and the remnants of Gwyn's soul emerge after thousands of years to defend the flame one last time. The game brings you back to the beginning so it can finally come to an end. You and Gwyn have that closure; here, at the end of all things, you put down once again the one who was there in the beginning. The Age of Fire starts and ends with Gwyn. For that tonal shift to work, you have the epic, bombastic score in phase 1 that constrasts with the silence cut only by the melancholic piano notes in phase 2. It works, it is fitting because the track was composed according to the same vision and intent that the whole game was developed with. So no, you can't just put Soul of CInder's theme in the Gwyn fight. They are both cool, but in different ways.
The people interviewed sound like they're making up bullshit on the fly. They literally didn't care for the original ""soul"" of the tracks nor of the game itself, as evidenced by the generic aspect of the OST, which got rid of the unique instrumentation and made every track sound pretty much the same.
@@thefirelinkconspiracyYou could argue that it could be produced better these days, with a higher budget and the better orchestral sample libraries that are available now. But those crappy samples have a character of their own too and even removing takes away from the work's identity. Dungeon synth is an entire genre based around low quality midi music from 80s and 90s dungeon crawler games. The weird parts of the early souls games are why I love them so much and something that has been sanded down as the series has gone on.
@@ennayanne The funny thing is, the original soundtrack was recorded by a band, and only some of it is actually digital. The vocals are all live recordings IIRC.
@@thefirelinkconspiracy the vocals are awesome, and tower knight is such a badass piece of music. I was mainly referring to the brass which I think can come off as silly (but I still appreciate it)
Latria got gutted in the remake. They made everything too bright, removed the sounds of the mind flair's bells wich were both a waning to their presence and made up half the atmosphere of that level then they replaced their scary squid heads with generic cathulu heads. They also silenced alot of the prisoner's screams and most importantly lord rydell's scream is also worse now wich was also important to the atmosphere. It's just a shame since the prison of hope was my favorite level in demon's souls and they ruined it horribly in the remake.
My favorite sound of Prison of Hope was the Katydids in the background. The whole game has background sounds removed. It's so quiet. The atmosphere was part of the gameplay for me, but guess that's a minority opinion.
@@demonicdude1328 Yeah now that I think of of it Cthulu could be more interesting. These look good just not as creepy. The biggest offender for me in that respect is the Flamelurker. It's literally a completely different being. Awkward, strange and creepiness in the design is what makes a lot of those enemies stand out and really build the environmental storytelling.
I don't know why they have to add a choir for literally everything Problem with a lot of remakes is that studios don't care about making them faithful but rather rerelease them with more commercialized aspects to make them more appealing
The remake soundtrack is what happens when you give a composer a whole orchestra and choir to work with, they wanna use everything and forget that sometimes less is more. So you end up with the auditory equivalent of a Michael Bay film.
They did the same thing with the shadow of the colossus remake, in the original the forbidden land was empty and the bloom shade lighting helped to create this harsh effect on the land the only thing close to life were the colossi that inhabited the world, the remake of course shits on all of this by removing the bloom, adding more greenery and ignoring the artistic vision for the game. This isn’t only deviation that they did and I can go on for hours about all the things they got wrong but It would take a whole day all I have left to say is that I’m sick and tired of this modernization fetish that has been popping up recently where people try to remake these games making them as realistic as possible but their “realism” is what they think realism is I’ve grown up in a third world country where your backyard can be literally turned into a jungle if not properly kept and grass doesn’t fucking look like this in the irl nor does the sun and I would be fine with this if it wasn’t for the fact that they do this with every single game. I don’t play dark souls but I do feel srry you had to witnesses this.
It's interesting that when I mention these same issues to other people I've spoken to irl, they just say to me that I'm either nitpicking, or that the original OST was a product of the limited budget. Now I don't know if that 2nd point would prove to be true or not, but the fact of the matter is, the music as we got it in the original truly does suit the game far better. As you say, these new songs are overly long and far too busy for the simple nature of Demon's Souls fights. Even then they don't really hold a candle to something like Pontiff Sulivan's theme or Ludwig. An issue I have in that OST Trailer they put out for the game is all of those composers saying "the game is BIG strings, BIG brass, BIG choire" or "Bloodborne has influenced this project". Like... this isn't Bloodborne, this isn't Dark Souls, it's DEMON'S Souls. It has it's own thing going on, and shoehorning in hollow mimics of Bloodborne and Dark Souls musical tendencies is wrong. Demon's Souls is a far subtler game whether they intended it or not with the lack of budget back when they made it, but what we got is amazing and it suits the game. I wouldn't have any of the boss themes any other way, and just listening to the New Maiden Astrea theme play in that interview, as they say they "stayed true to the original" is laughable. I don't want to put this new OST down too much, but seriously, it all feels so disrespectful to the direction the original had going on. No FromSoft game as really ever recaptured the unique atmosphere of Demon's Souls. I love all of their games, but I cannot deny that Demon's Souls had something special going for it.
@LemonCreature I agree with everything you said except the last part. You shouldn't really be expecting From to "recapture" the unique atmosphere of DeS, because then it wouldn't really be "unique". Each game they make should have its own unique atmosphere. I understand where you are coming from though, DeS is truly special, and I think all From games are too in their own way.
@@rickiryuin I think DS1 and DeS had the most unique atmospheres of all their souls games, and subsequent titles have had much more generic atmospheres. it's all subjective of course
Ahh they thought they were making the bloodborne soundtrack for a low fantasy setting. Now it makes sense. BB is all about pace and bombast. DeS is all about contemplation. Very tonally mismatched - and a missed opportunity. Everyone knows how critical the OST is to DeS
Demon's Souls remake is for people who couldn't enjoy the appeal of the original. Which is why many defending these insulting changes in the remake are discrediting the original and saying the deliberate artistic vision wasn't intended and is a flaw, so they welcome the changes.
Same thing is happening with the Dead Space Remake as well, people who clearly either weren't fans of the original, never played the original or are just affected by online hype culture are saying that the original Dead Space was a bad game or that things that were integral to the original experience somehow weren't. Like at this point it feels like there's a sort of hivemind around the Remake that's incapable of accepting that there's any flaws with it.
It's about time somebody spoke up and tore this glorified tech demo of a "remake" to shreds. They took Demon's Souls and turned it into God of War. And they didn't even have the decency to include an option to substitute the original tracks instead.
@@thefirelinkconspiracy with that version you get the "original soundtrack" bundled in. i duped myself into believing that it meant the "original" soundtrack, but it meant "ost" which stands for "original soundtrack." hm. that said, there's definitely some improvements to some of the more laughably bad ones from the original, but the lack of ethereal synths is sorely missed. kinda had the same problem with ffviir, but at least there's some variety and not just orchestral music end to end.
@@many6747 I mean Rollercoaster Tycoon is an even better game than that, but being more like it isn't necessarily better for games not trying to be like that. God of War is similar, if less of an extreme example.
If you dig further back in From's catalog, their soundtracks were even more distinct and unique. The music in games like King's Field IV, Evergrace, Otogi, etc. is incredible and sounds like basically nothing else.
@@themeerofkats8908 I will talk about those more briefly when i get to their respective bossfights. But looking back i think i should've covered them here too.
Simple, straight to the point and mirrors my exact thoughts about the OST perfectly. Great video. I still can't believe that they tried to make the Dirty Collossus more "epic" with the new track. If anything, it makes the fact that you're fighting a literal piece of shit all the more hilarious and unfitting. Also, on a side note, I heard a few interesting theories sorrounding the new Maiden Astrea composition that imply that it now tries to express how the fight feels from Garl Vinland's perspective and not the other way around, hence the more heroic and bombastic feel. But the fact that Bluepoint kept raving about how they wanted to stay true to the original in practically every way, including the OST makes me kinda doubt that. Would be weird for them to take that kind of an artistic liberty on that from all places, I think.
Thank you for the compliments. As for the new Astraea theme, I personally think that's just headcanon, given how every other track has been hollywoodified to the maximum. Almost every boss has now an evil face and is covered in excessive amounts of blood, fire or gore, the new music reflects just that.
It's the same line of bullshit I've heard about how they changed the dialogue to be more "authentic" to the original Japanese translation, but then they literally redesign every enemy, boss, and piece of equipment in the game for no fucking reason. It's a lie, plain and simple.
Even dark souls 3 and bloodborne know when to be bombastic you won't hear orchestral bombs during witch of hemwick or the first phase of sister friede this is just being bombastic for the sake of sounding like bloodborne.
the dirty colossus difference is the funniest thing ever, I came to check this out after playing the original (haven't played the remake) but lmfao why does that guy have such an emotionally charged theme he's basically a bunch of lego blocks stapled together with human shit and flesh
I would've lied if I said that I don't like remake's soundtrack on it's own. It is composed pretty well and solidly orchestrated. But it's "Dark Fantasy Epic Battle Music", not *the* Demon's Souls soundtrack
it's a shame how "safe" the choices they made with the new music were the old OST had a distinct chamber music feel - and chamber music has the capacity to sound incredible with the proper recording techniques: th-cam.com/video/GLg7KFkTYK4/w-d-xo.html the fact sony certainly had the ability to rerecord with a chamber style but chose not to, going instead with the safe bombastic orchestra style, is a massive, tone-deaf shame and missed opportunity
another example: one of the frequent complaints was the "dootiness" of the brass in the original game. But chamber brass can sound really fantastic as well: th-cam.com/video/Wa1QBRKOBag/w-d-xo.html You could fit so much character into 5 instruments
@@harrenysk Wow that brass sounds so charming! It's very depressing that the remake chose to ignore everything that made the original game special. It could've sounded so good.
Totally agree. Remake suffocates main themes with it's pompous arrangements. Who needs a melody, when we have a huge damn orchestra here! It fails to grasp the atmosphere of the dark ages with it's blatant pretentiousness. While the original depicts this sombre and hopeless fantasy world in all it's depth.
most embarrasing part was old king allant they hired a good organ player yet you can barely hear it in his song, though i did personally think he is the only boss in demon souls that its somewhat fine to have a bombastic or "epic" ost.
Very weird decision on their part, since the original theme had the most memorable organ ever. The new one is just choir + orchestra like all the others.
Basically that one dude was right. Bloodborne did inform this new Demons Souls soundtrack... it entirely engulfed it and did away with the creepy minimalism of the original and hummable tracks.
cheers, will share every single creative decision they took was uninspired and tone deaf, and souls games depend on their subtle cues to develop the lore without relying on exposition, so they really fucked the pooch on the remake
I went into this thinking i'd disagree with a lot of it, but came out with a completely different opinion. I loved every song in the original score and like most tracks from any From Software title i'd listen to them on their own, but I never did that with the Remake's score. I already hated what they did to Astraea's theme before the game came out but listening and comparing the new OST to the old I never realized how bad the new soundtrack was. When each original boss theme started playing I recognized it instantly and when the remake score started I had felt like I never heard it before, like the new, generic soundtrack from the remake just totally faded out when I was actually playing the game. Not a single track in the remake even comes close to the original
great work.. first i saw demon's souls remake i really excited. because i really like sotc remake and i trust bluepoint. but this one is really disappointing. they ruined original demon's souls feeling. they changed soundtracks, npcs, boss and creature design in bad way. they just make demon's souls remake for people who new in souls series, not for original game fans..
Yeah I’ll go out of my way to buy a PS3 so I can play the original. Or get a gaming PC with PCSX3 so I can play DeS in 4K 60FPS and it’s amazing. The original DeS is the best tbh.
Exactly, I've never played Demon's Souls since I play on PC and I thought maybe I'll get PS5 some day to play trough the remake and Bloodborne. Then I found out what they did to the atmosphere, art direction and the music of the original and that I could run it on PC with emulation. I just finished it today and I have to say I'm in love with the soundtrack and atmosphere of the game. Love how minimalistic, yet effective it is. Remake can't hold it a candle
I'm not gonna fall into confirmation bias and point to this as the reason why I still haven't finished the remake, but it definitely explains why I didn't experience as strong a feeling of nostalgia as I thought I would. Tbh I never thought about the soundtrack that much, until I heard the original songs in this video and realised how amazing and iconic they were.
An utter disrespect to the original composer's work. They were so, _so_ desperate to do Bloodborne again but they just don't have the chops. I love this form of no-commentary essay dude, making text entertaining is a lost art on youtube. Subscribed.
If only this looked, sounded and played as good as Bloodborne. It plays exactly the same as the 11 year old low budget ps3 game, yet looks and sounds like Michael Bay played Bloodborne and decided to make this right after.
@@thefirelinkconspiracy I wasn't trying to say it has the quality of Bloodborne. The new soundtrack (judging by the clips you have in the video) reminds me of the BB soundtrack somewhat. That said I'm not a massive fan of orchestral soundtracks in games - they all sound very similar. Gimme original music over orchestra any day, like with Unreal, Deus Ex, Nier, Persona, Disco Elysium and others. On top of that I don't believe DeS even needed a remake in the first place - I've emulated it recently after playing it on PS3 a few years back and with the increase in resolution, extra AA/AF and a bit of SSAO the game looks perfectly good still.
to defend them a bit, some of the music featured ingame actually has more tranquil passages in them like the Maiden In Black theme but this is not heard on the official album
Good video. I personally prefer it when one takes as much time as is needed to properly get the point across and it felt rather short in my opinion, or I should say that I felt like you had more to say but didn't. However, I won't begrudge you for doing things the way you think are proper. If you know any more about music theory, I'd love to hear or read about it in your next video like the way you did with the old monk theme.
Since most of the tracks sound similar now, i thought the video could've ended up sounding redundant. But i'll share some more brief observations i left out of the video since you asked. -"Dragon God" sounds almost like a parody now, since the fight is still the exact same, you run around breaking pillars while the dragon itself does nothing unless you mess up. They tried really hard to make this track sound pandemonic and god of warish even though Bluepoint left the boss untouched, just as gimmicky. -Flamelurker is honestly one of the ""better"" reinterpretations but it misses the point like every other track. 20 second build up followed by 3 different arrangements of the original melody... while Flamelurker is desperately trying to reposition himself in order to track the player, only to get staggered by a mail breaker poke to the butt. Most of the new music won't even be heard in-game since Flamelurker (and all of the other bosses besides Old King Allant) have small health bars. -They really shoved latin (i think it's latin?) in every track they could, too. "Return to Slumber" is the worst example of that i think. The new "lyrics" disrupt the smoothness of the music. -Old Hero's theme can barely be heard because of the over the top screaming and grunting and panting and etc. But it sounds very generic also. -I don't know why the new Old King Allant theme got entirely rid of the organ since the musicians now had the privilege to work with an authentic church piece. The track sounds very bland and uninspired now. I'm not a musician myself, but pretty much all of my close family are. I'm an artist though, i certainly have more to say about the art direction and the sound design, as i'll do soon enough. And thanks for the comment! I'm glad you appreciated the video.
@@thefirelinkconspiracy I felt like the bombastic tune of flamelurker sets up the expectation that we have learned some grand forbidden knowledge about the boss, like with Ludwig in Bloodborne, the theme is that much more impactful if you know the story.
Way late to this, but I actually like (most of) the DeS Remake's soundtrack. The glaring downside to me is that it clearly doesn't fit with DeS. It feels like music you'd hear in like Bloodborne 2 or something. I like it, but it's like putting frosting on a bean burrito. Frosting is great on cake if used properly but no one wants frosting on a burrito, right?
The original soundtrack is one of the most special and unique to ever brace gaming. The remake’s is shoddy, overproduced, and lacks all of the subtlety that made Demon’s Souls what it is. Them embracing Bloodborne makes absolutely no sense when Bloodborne is firmly an action game, and Demon’s Souls was much more about immersion. The minimalist palette of the original helped pull you into the world because they were so unconventional, it felt like you were stepping into a world that was entirely out of your reach. The remake just feels like every other game from the last few years.
I am still pissed about the remake since the reveal trailer, Bluepoint should be forced to shut down since this isn't the first time they butchered a remake or a remaster, you should look into these hacks history with their previous works, because its the same case with the bastardization of demon souls remake.
I got hyped when they announced the remake... but as soon more and more info on the redisgn of nps/bosses/whole aesthetics were made, I was slightly deceptioned... Hearing some of the new arrangements was like: they are putting to much choirs and bombastic sounds... this is concerning, but at least they will keep the Maiden Astraea theme intact, right? RIGHT?!!! I tolerated the redesigns and aesthetics but what they to THAT THEME was the straw that broke the camel’s back....
Yup, I won't be getting a PS5 after all. Just gonna uh...scavenge a PS3-emu copy from the Seven Seas in 5-10 years later when it's well and truly faded into obscurity. Cheers mate, thank you.
the original pieces feel like they were composed by someone who really understands games and game composition. Those tracks mirror what the player will naturally be feeling during gameplay. The new tracks seem more like they were done by a film composer. Film audiences are naturally more passive than a player in the middle of a boss fight, therefore film composition generally is more over-the-top in order to SELL a certain feeling, attempting to generate it in the audience. What the original composer understood is that the player will already be feeling things like dread, tension, unease or regret from gameplay alone - their compositions serving simply to reinforce and enhance these already present emotions without any unnecessary elements or bombast.
It's okay for Bloodborne to influence your work if you were remaking Bloodborne. This whole thing makes me wonder if the composer even listened to the original soundtrack. Having only really watched speedruns of the original DeS, I got the impression that tge game as a whole was more "Renaissance" than what is shown in the remake.
I knew they would screw up the remake when I saw the trailer. Once I heard Maiden in Black, I decided to avoid playing it. They should have just remastered the original
I'm happy I'm not the only one who thinks something's wrong with remade soundtrack in Demon's Souls. It's sometimes getting comical when you're fighting some deformed monster but the music is so epic and over the top as if you were killing greek gods with your bare hands.
Jesus this remake is a disaster. Not one to make assumptions, but it seems like the only people who like this over the original are just coping over the fact that they spent a ludicrous amount of money on a console for mostly nothing.
"Certainly Bloodborne has influenced this score"... oh really I don't think FromSoft is innocent of this regression to the mean either though. DS3's OST is "Big Bloodborne" stylistically, and Elden Ring is simply rehash with a few good ambient tracks. They've lost the plot on OSTs, just like this remake team did. I'm glad Kitamura has left FS so we can get something new and fresh in the future.
tbh, I quite like the new intro for the maiden astraea song, I feel like it was a spot on addition to building up the melancholy of entering this really sad boss arena. but as with everything else, they completely miss the mark afterwards. After I saw that doc of the remake, I got the feeling that bluepoint was desperately trying to show off their expertise in every aspect of the game: "look we can make particle effects" - then everything is about particle effects. "look we can have bigger orchestral pieces" - then every song becomes a 100 man orchestral thing. But, actually, I think that if I were in the same position of bluepoint, I would probably do the same... in the end, they have a team whose creativity is all funneled up to technical stuff, and they're getting projects where most of the grounded creative work is already done, so what is left to the team is to "add" stuff. It is a common thing for artists to want their work to stand out, but I think they miss the mark when they're remaking games that heavily rely on emptiness and space to tell a story, and this ost analysis is spot on to show this.
Great video. Just a tip for future, maybe it would be also good to have a banner in one corner clearly showing is it new or original track playing right now. I know you explained in the video whats about to happen but I think its good in case you look away from the screen you know exactly which track for sure you are listening to.
Thank you for the feedback, this was my first video and i was very unexperienced with video editing. I think I did a better job editing the other episodes, this one is a bit messy. Thank you for watching!
Exactly. I wasn't excited for the remake at all, but watched a walkthru to get an idea of the game I would inevitably be playing in five years time, bought second hand on a borrowed PS5 that a friend has got bored of. Then it came to the Phalanx fight and oh no no. Hearing that they had placed this urgent, yet playfully baroque score with some random bloodborne B-roll immediately dissolved any interest I had as it shows the lack of respect paid to the original's mood and tone - or maybe the lack of understanding.
I haven't played either version of Demon's Souls, though I've been meaning to play the remake as soon as I can actually buy a PS5. Even I can tell that your critique is spot on though, the new OST completely misses the point. Illusory Wall has a segment in his newest Demon's Souls video where he mixes the old and new OST tracks together. They combine to make a really good sound, but a lot of the despair and mystery is still lost, due to the orchestral and choral bombast of the remake.
It's not badly composed, but it's very misdirected. Why did they try to capture a Bloodborne sound and basically threw away the original song structures? Like if you forget these are based on original songs, they'd work in some dark fantasy setting. In a vacuum the songs are fine, albeit quite derivative. In context... it's like they want nothing to do with the original intentions.
@@thefirelinkconspiracy if you want i can provide some notes on the translation. Some of the retranslated lines by Bluepoint are more accurate some are less accurate and but as you'd expect "more accurate" doesn't mean better since they lose the nuance.
@@Quizerno Most of the problems i have with the audio of the remake have little to do with the lines themselves, i personally wouldn't mind an english script that more closely resembles the japanese. I'm more bothered by the new awful sound effects they used for your character and the enemies and etc. The atmosphere and feel of the original game has been largely demolished by this new americanized direction. But if you think there's relevance to the translation, sure, you can link it to me, i'd be glad to examine it! Maybe there are details i'm ignorant of that could enhance my analysis of the remake as a whole. Thanks!
@@thefirelinkconspiracy I definitely agree that the audio is a bigger problem (the protagonist can't stop fucking heavy breathing in the remake) along with art, music and cutscene direction. It's mostly a personal thing since as an amateur translator there are some lines that I feel were perfectly translated and should not have been changed. So far I've only done a hard comparison of Allant's lines. I'll send you that, when I have a moment. I'll look over the Maiden's, Ostrava's, and the Monumental's next.
Finally, someone agreed with me. While no doubt Bluepoint did a great job with Atmosphere, models, and animation but they destroyed the charming of the original soundtrack. They may credit Shunsuke Kida's for the composer but in the interview, it just took his score and other composer arranged the soundtrack that was too grand for Demon's Soul should be.
One other aspect which is somewhat difficult to talk about openly, but nevertheless makes the remake experience worse immersion-wise, is the random insertion of characters from different ethnicities than in the original game. Sure, this is a work of fiction. But nevertheless, its aesthetics are mostly based around european folklore and mythology. Not to mention the fact that is the vision FROM software mostly went with. Bluepoint swapped ethnicities of a number of characters on purpose, as a non-sensical stupid statement. And they know it and everybody knows it. And sure, that doesn't necessarily ruin the experience. But makes it inferior, less immersive and more "gamey", because non-sensical changes are shoved in your face on purpose. It's like playing a Sekiro Remake and having random Innuits, Finns and Polynesians appear out of nowhere as a "statement". No thanks; I want an experience based around Japanese Folklore, as it was supposed to be 👍
*Beyond the Remake of 'Shadow of the Colossus': A Technical Perspective - Peter Dalton - Bluepoint Games* 1. Quality is the foundation of success. I believe that this is absolutely true for our industry. If you want long term sustained success you must have quality to feed it. 2. Every project we release must be better than our previous release. Hopefully you can see this trend by looking at our past projects. "The depth at which we remaster projects has grown exponentially. Starting with the God Of War Collection, which involved texture cleanup, to the Uncharted Collection which involved all aspects of the game being modified. In fact for Shadow we don’t call it a remaster, we coin it a remake given the complexity of the project. And moving forward to our next project, we coin it a *_re-envisioning_* given that it goes well beyond what we even thought possible on Shadow." Going by this, it's *Demon's Souls Re-envisioning* _view or visualize (something) in a different way with the aim of improving or transforming it_
They were so arrogant. But americans are infamous for doing this type of remake/re-envisioned slop for decades, so to me it was not surprising in the slightest. I still cringe to the american remakes of Jacob's Ladder and The Wicker Man when they come to mind from time to time.
I am glad now i got a ps3 with demon's Souls now. I am currently playing it for the first time. Have my Ps5 Demon's Souls too but never played it i wanted to play the Og first. Why did they even bother to compose new tracks? The old ones where Perfekt.
I had to reupload this video 3x due to various issues with the audio and the rendering, it's been painful...
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I'm so angry they did this. Thank you for uploading this. I really hope the composer watches this video and feels the shame he deserves for his disrespectful rearrangements. The spirit of the tracks have been so blatantly ignored. I can't believe a composer exists with the audacity to create such a humiliation.
I haven't seen the game yet and I'm already concerned they miss their mark again.
the most annoying thing to me is that in the interview they boasted about having this badass ancient church organ and then they used it in a bunch of boss tracks EXCEPT THE ONLY BOSS WHO'S ORIGINAL TRACK HAD AN ORGAN!
Which boss had organ?
@@NobleBruv False King Allant, the final Archdemon in the game. His theme song in the original game only had 1 instrument, an organ playing a quiet, slow, deliberate, and dread-inducing melody. It makes you feel like you're out of your depth as you fight a sinister and powerful being. It's one of the most iconic themes in the entire game, and in the remake, despite hyping up the big organ they got to use, they cut out the organ entirely and replaced it with the same generic and overly loud orchestra in every other piece.
Agreed 100% pisses me off
Imagine a dark souls remake where Gwyn's theme is replaced with the Soul of Cinder's first phase. That's what the remake did to the whole soundtrack
Sounds like the coolest thing ever.
@@139-b7j you're part of the problem
@@139-b7j No, it doesn't. Doing that misses the point of the fight. That is actually a good analogy for the problem with the remake's ost. The Gwyn fight is meant to be melancholic and underwhelming in a way. He's the only boss of DS1 that can be parried. You can't parry the Capra Demon but you can parry Gwyn. Humiliating, isn't it?
He was the Lord of Sunlight, god of gods who sacrificed himself to usher in a new era of prosperity, you see the epic side of him in the initial cutscene, his lightning bolts we so intense they became sunlight spears. But when you reach him, he isn't the Lord of Sunlight anymore, he's now merely a Lord of Cinder, as he himself has been burnt down by the First Flame and is now a hollow husk of his former self. He doesn't even use his signature lightining (even though his lightning resistance is through the roof), he's only able to swing his sword covered by the fire he went so far to preserve. Beyond the lies and illusions he and his family set up about an unsetting Sun with undying light, you see reflected in him the truth you see in Lordran in general, and in Anor Londo after you dispel the illusion of Gwynevere, the flame is dying. Keeping it alive, unable to die, has resulted in the curse of the Undead, and has caused the world to stagnate and rot. That is even more evident in DS3 since more time and more cycles have passed.
Gwyn is meant to represent both the gravity of his sacrifice (refueling the flame and revitalizing the world for so long, at the cost of reducing the most powerful being in existence to a mindless zombie protecting the flame) and the state of decay the world is in. The soundtrack therefore has to fit the tone of the fight. It can't be epic or too elaborate. The original "plin plin plon" is a simple piano melody, it's quiet and melancholic, and unique. It fits perfectly the theme of the fight. The final boss doesn't have to be bombastic every time.
Soul of CInder's OST is different, it works there because it was made for a different fight. The 1st phase is going for that traditional climatic final battle with the final boss, trying to hype and intimidate you at the same time as CInder attacks you and cycles through his different builds. As the amalgam of everyone who's linked the fire in the past, including every DS and DS2 character of every player that ever chose that ending, he is able to use all strategies against you, all weapon types, sorceries, pyromancies and miracles, and to combo them as he is essentially the ultimate hybrid build. It's all very overwhelming. Unlike other bosses, he's not the magic guy, or the tank, or the fire spewing monster, he's everything. An orchestral, opressive, epic theme fits here, but then it gradually dies down (as the flame, as the world) to once again remember you of the truth as it slowly introduces the "plin plin plon", the same notes coming back from DS1 as the rest of the score goes silent, as you remember the end of the first game, as the Soul of Cinder remembers the first one who became fuel for the fire, and the remnants of Gwyn's soul emerge after thousands of years to defend the flame one last time. The game brings you back to the beginning so it can finally come to an end. You and Gwyn have that closure; here, at the end of all things, you put down once again the one who was there in the beginning. The Age of Fire starts and ends with Gwyn.
For that tonal shift to work, you have the epic, bombastic score in phase 1 that constrasts with the silence cut only by the melancholic piano notes in phase 2. It works, it is fitting because the track was composed according to the same vision and intent that the whole game was developed with.
So no, you can't just put Soul of CInder's theme in the Gwyn fight. They are both cool, but in different ways.
@@giannixx Counterpoint: fun.
@@139-b7jthat isn’t fun
The people interviewed sound like they're making up bullshit on the fly. They literally didn't care for the original ""soul"" of the tracks nor of the game itself, as evidenced by the generic aspect of the OST, which got rid of the unique instrumentation and made every track sound pretty much the same.
Yes, the original soundtrack was definitely unique. You can't "make it better".
@@thefirelinkconspiracyYou could argue that it could be produced better these days, with a higher budget and the better orchestral sample libraries that are available now. But those crappy samples have a character of their own too and even removing takes away from the work's identity. Dungeon synth is an entire genre based around low quality midi music from 80s and 90s dungeon crawler games.
The weird parts of the early souls games are why I love them so much and something that has been sanded down as the series has gone on.
@@ennayanne The funny thing is, the original soundtrack was recorded by a band, and only some of it is actually digital. The vocals are all live recordings IIRC.
@@thefirelinkconspiracy the vocals are awesome, and tower knight is such a badass piece of music. I was mainly referring to the brass which I think can come off as silly (but I still appreciate it)
Latria got gutted in the remake. They made everything too bright, removed the sounds of the mind flair's bells wich were both a waning to their presence and made up half the atmosphere of that level then they replaced their scary squid heads with generic cathulu heads. They also silenced alot of the prisoner's screams and most importantly lord rydell's scream is also worse now wich was also important to the atmosphere. It's just a shame since the prison of hope was my favorite level in demon's souls and they ruined it horribly in the remake.
My favorite sound of Prison of Hope was the Katydids in the background. The whole game has background sounds removed. It's so quiet. The atmosphere was part of the gameplay for me, but guess that's a minority opinion.
I liked the cthulu heads though. Reminds me of bloodbourne
@@NoxLegend1 the og squid heads were way creeper. The remake cathulu heads are too generic to be creepy
@@demonicdude1328 Yeah now that I think of of it Cthulu could be more interesting. These look good just not as creepy. The biggest offender for me in that respect is the Flamelurker. It's literally a completely different being. Awkward, strange and creepiness in the design is what makes a lot of those enemies stand out and really build the environmental storytelling.
Also the Once Royal Mistress no longer sings two ominous notes but Back to Slumber.
Why, just... why
I don't know why they have to add a choir for literally everything
Problem with a lot of remakes is that studios don't care about making them faithful but rather rerelease them with more commercialized aspects to make them more appealing
"let's just put choir in every soundtrack xd"
Except tower knight, the one ost famous for is choir XD
@@demonicdude1328 😂😂
American style music for every medieval game ever. They cannot avoid doing it.
The remake soundtrack is what happens when you give a composer a whole orchestra and choir to work with, they wanna use everything and forget that sometimes less is more. So you end up with the auditory equivalent of a Michael Bay film.
Couldn't have said it better lol
This what happens when the original devs don’t do the remakes
They did the same thing with the shadow of the colossus remake, in the original the forbidden land was empty and the bloom shade lighting helped to create this harsh effect on the land the only thing close to life were the colossi that inhabited the world, the remake of course shits on all of this by removing the bloom, adding more greenery and ignoring the artistic vision for the game. This isn’t only deviation that they did and I can go on for hours about all the things they got wrong but It would take a whole day all I have left to say is that I’m sick and tired of this modernization fetish that has been popping up recently where people try to remake these games making them as realistic as possible but their “realism” is what they think realism is I’ve grown up in a third world country where your backyard can be literally turned into a jungle if not properly kept and grass doesn’t fucking look like this in the irl nor does the sun and I would be fine with this if it wasn’t for the fact that they do this with every single game. I don’t play dark souls but I do feel srry you had to witnesses this.
It's sad that first timer won't know this. It's like this remake didn't care for old fans at all.
It's interesting that when I mention these same issues to other people I've spoken to irl, they just say to me that I'm either nitpicking, or that the original OST was a product of the limited budget. Now I don't know if that 2nd point would prove to be true or not, but the fact of the matter is, the music as we got it in the original truly does suit the game far better. As you say, these new songs are overly long and far too busy for the simple nature of Demon's Souls fights. Even then they don't really hold a candle to something like Pontiff Sulivan's theme or Ludwig.
An issue I have in that OST Trailer they put out for the game is all of those composers saying "the game is BIG strings, BIG brass, BIG choire" or "Bloodborne has influenced this project". Like... this isn't Bloodborne, this isn't Dark Souls, it's DEMON'S Souls. It has it's own thing going on, and shoehorning in hollow mimics of Bloodborne and Dark Souls musical tendencies is wrong. Demon's Souls is a far subtler game whether they intended it or not with the lack of budget back when they made it, but what we got is amazing and it suits the game. I wouldn't have any of the boss themes any other way, and just listening to the New Maiden Astrea theme play in that interview, as they say they "stayed true to the original" is laughable.
I don't want to put this new OST down too much, but seriously, it all feels so disrespectful to the direction the original had going on. No FromSoft game as really ever recaptured the unique atmosphere of Demon's Souls. I love all of their games, but I cannot deny that Demon's Souls had something special going for it.
Bloodborne captured it.
@LemonCreature I agree with everything you said except the last part. You shouldn't really be expecting From to "recapture" the unique atmosphere of DeS, because then it wouldn't really be "unique". Each game they make should have its own unique atmosphere. I understand where you are coming from though, DeS is truly special, and I think all From games are too in their own way.
@@rickiryuin I think DS1 and DeS had the most unique atmospheres of all their souls games, and subsequent titles have had much more generic atmospheres. it's all subjective of course
God, it's the same song over and over again. There's no individual sonic identity here.
Ahh they thought they were making the bloodborne soundtrack for a low fantasy setting. Now it makes sense. BB is all about pace and bombast. DeS is all about contemplation. Very tonally mismatched - and a missed opportunity. Everyone knows how critical the OST is to DeS
Demon's Souls remake is for people who couldn't enjoy the appeal of the original. Which is why many defending these insulting changes in the remake are discrediting the original and saying the deliberate artistic vision wasn't intended and is a flaw, so they welcome the changes.
yeah its such a bullshit arguement, i hate it. i'd rather they say they just dont like that vision rather than say it was a flaw
Same thing is happening with the Dead Space Remake as well, people who clearly either weren't fans of the original, never played the original or are just affected by online hype culture are saying that the original Dead Space was a bad game or that things that were integral to the original experience somehow weren't.
Like at this point it feels like there's a sort of hivemind around the Remake that's incapable of accepting that there's any flaws with it.
As you grow older you realize bandwagons and societal pressure are inescapable to the common man.
It's about time somebody spoke up and tore this glorified tech demo of a "remake" to shreds. They took Demon's Souls and turned it into God of War. And they didn't even have the decency to include an option to substitute the original tracks instead.
People were saying that if you had the deluxe edition you could do that, but i don't think that's true.
@@thefirelinkconspiracy with that version you get the "original soundtrack" bundled in. i duped myself into believing that it meant the "original" soundtrack, but it meant "ost" which stands for "original soundtrack." hm.
that said, there's definitely some improvements to some of the more laughably bad ones from the original, but the lack of ethereal synths is sorely missed.
kinda had the same problem with ffviir, but at least there's some variety and not just orchestral music end to end.
Influence from God of War sound more like an improvement
@@many6747 I mean Rollercoaster Tycoon is an even better game than that, but being more like it isn't necessarily better for games not trying to be like that. God of War is similar, if less of an extreme example.
Personally I think Sony wanted the game to sound like Bloodborne.
I miss the more unique and distinctive soundtracks of Dark souls 1 and especially demons souls
If you dig further back in From's catalog, their soundtracks were even more distinct and unique. The music in games like King's Field IV, Evergrace, Otogi, etc. is incredible and sounds like basically nothing else.
kings field 2 (1US) has an absolutely dope soundtrack
Finally, someone on TH-cam who isn't shilling for a soulless tech demo.
It was kind of amazing how seemingly every Soulstuber (especially challenge runners) has had a PS5 and Demon's Souls Remake from the get-go.
You really should’ve covered old king allants theme, probably the worst atrocity they could have possibly committed
Agreed, i think it's one of the worst ones lol.
@@thefirelinkconspiracy Or the Fool's Idols theme
@@themeerofkats8908 I will talk about those more briefly when i get to their respective bossfights. But looking back i think i should've covered them here too.
Agreed. They completely trashed Old King Allant in the remake.
Simple, straight to the point and mirrors my exact thoughts about the OST perfectly. Great video. I still can't believe that they tried to make the Dirty Collossus more "epic" with the new track. If anything, it makes the fact that you're fighting a literal piece of shit all the more hilarious and unfitting.
Also, on a side note, I heard a few interesting theories sorrounding the new Maiden Astrea composition that imply that it now tries to express how the fight feels from Garl Vinland's perspective and not the other way around, hence the more heroic and bombastic feel. But the fact that Bluepoint kept raving about how they wanted to stay true to the original in practically every way, including the OST makes me kinda doubt that. Would be weird for them to take that kind of an artistic liberty on that from all places, I think.
Thank you for the compliments.
As for the new Astraea theme, I personally think that's just headcanon, given how every other track has been hollywoodified to the maximum. Almost every boss has now an evil face and is covered in excessive amounts of blood, fire or gore, the new music reflects just that.
It's the same line of bullshit I've heard about how they changed the dialogue to be more "authentic" to the original Japanese translation, but then they literally redesign every enemy, boss, and piece of equipment in the game for no fucking reason. It's a lie, plain and simple.
Is it really a literal piece of shit? Is that the reason for the flies? Well I feel dumb af for not realizing that all these years lol.
@@FriendlyDarkwraith isn’t the dialogue originally in English anyway?
@@AstraProc The script would most likely be written in Japanese first.
this video doesn't even show up when i search "demon's soulless", weird how this is getting buried
That's very unfortunate. Is there anything i could do? Maybe adding a couple of tags would help?
@@thefirelinkconspiracy Looks like it's on the top now!
Even dark souls 3 and bloodborne know when to be bombastic you won't hear orchestral bombs during witch of hemwick or the first phase of sister friede this is just being bombastic for the sake of sounding like bloodborne.
I dunno, Dark Souls 3 soundtrack was bombastic as fuck. I much prefer DS1's more reserved soundtrack.
@@SugaryGoodnesss yea but not every theme was bombastic. And the ones who were fitted perfectly with their respective bosses.
@@shrouls DS1 menu theme tho
@@SugaryGoodnesss ds3 menu theme tho
the dirty colossus difference is the funniest thing ever, I came to check this out after playing the original (haven't played the remake) but lmfao why does that guy have such an emotionally charged theme he's basically a bunch of lego blocks stapled together with human shit and flesh
Four words to sum it all up: "A lot of noise"......
I would've lied if I said that I don't like remake's soundtrack on it's own. It is composed pretty well and solidly orchestrated. But it's "Dark Fantasy Epic Battle Music", not *the* Demon's Souls soundtrack
What’s to like about it? It’s soo generic Hollywood sounding. _BOORRRING._ It’s no Hans Zimmer Interstellar soundtrack.
@anti-ethniccleansing465 being generic doesn't mean bad. It's well done but doesn't fit. It a different game it could've been good
it's a shame how "safe" the choices they made with the new music were
the old OST had a distinct chamber music feel - and chamber music has the capacity to sound incredible with the proper recording techniques:
th-cam.com/video/GLg7KFkTYK4/w-d-xo.html
the fact sony certainly had the ability to rerecord with a chamber style but chose not to, going instead with the safe bombastic orchestra style, is a massive, tone-deaf shame and missed opportunity
another example: one of the frequent complaints was the "dootiness" of the brass in the original game.
But chamber brass can sound really fantastic as well: th-cam.com/video/Wa1QBRKOBag/w-d-xo.html
You could fit so much character into 5 instruments
@@harrenysk Wow that brass sounds so charming! It's very depressing that the remake chose to ignore everything that made the original game special. It could've sounded so good.
Totally agree. Remake suffocates main themes with it's pompous arrangements. Who needs a melody, when we have a huge damn orchestra here! It fails to grasp the atmosphere of the dark ages with it's blatant pretentiousness. While the original depicts this sombre and hopeless fantasy world in all it's depth.
Keep your PC port, Sony. I've got RPCS3.
completely, I agree tremendously with this, and thanks for making this!
That's good to know! Thanks for the kind comments.
most embarrasing part was old king allant they hired a good organ player yet you can barely hear it in his song, though i did personally think he is the only boss in demon souls that its somewhat fine to have a bombastic or "epic" ost.
Very weird decision on their part, since the original theme had the most memorable organ ever. The new one is just choir + orchestra like all the others.
Basically that one dude was right. Bloodborne did inform this new Demons Souls soundtrack... it entirely engulfed it and did away with the creepy minimalism of the original and hummable tracks.
cheers, will share
every single creative decision they took was uninspired and tone deaf, and souls games depend on their subtle cues to develop the lore without relying on exposition, so they really fucked the pooch on the remake
Thanks!
@@TonyTonyRedgrave It's like they did it just to piss off fans of the original game.
The thing I'm most disappointed by with the new OST is the lack of brass instruments. So iconic in the original.
Music straight out of a Disney movie! Great idea for a melancholic game!
Was hoping someone would make something like this. Great video. Subbed.
Thanks!
love it when youre talking about maiden in black theme, you matched the appearance of the text with the music
I went into this thinking i'd disagree with a lot of it, but came out with a completely different opinion. I loved every song in the original score and like most tracks from any From Software title i'd listen to them on their own, but I never did that with the Remake's score. I already hated what they did to Astraea's theme before the game came out but listening and comparing the new OST to the old I never realized how bad the new soundtrack was. When each original boss theme started playing I recognized it instantly and when the remake score started I had felt like I never heard it before, like the new, generic soundtrack from the remake just totally faded out when I was actually playing the game. Not a single track in the remake even comes close to the original
great work.. first i saw demon's souls remake i really excited. because i really like sotc remake and i trust bluepoint. but this one is really disappointing. they ruined original demon's souls feeling. they changed soundtracks, npcs, boss and creature design in bad way. they just make demon's souls remake for people who new in souls series, not for original game fans..
Yeah I’ll go out of my way to buy a PS3 so I can play the original. Or get a gaming PC with PCSX3 so I can play DeS in 4K 60FPS and it’s amazing. The original DeS is the best tbh.
Indeed!
Exactly, I've never played Demon's Souls since I play on PC and I thought maybe I'll get PS5 some day to play trough the remake and Bloodborne. Then I found out what they did to the atmosphere, art direction and the music of the original and that I could run it on PC with emulation. I just finished it today and I have to say I'm in love with the soundtrack and atmosphere of the game. Love how minimalistic, yet effective it is. Remake can't hold it a candle
lol The remake is such generic trash, from the overused choral tracks to the Blizzard-esque character redesigns
I’ll never forgive Bluepoint for massacring Maiden Astraea
They just remade this because souls lol
I'm not gonna fall into confirmation bias and point to this as the reason why I still haven't finished the remake, but it definitely explains why I didn't experience as strong a feeling of nostalgia as I thought I would. Tbh I never thought about the soundtrack that much, until I heard the original songs in this video and realised how amazing and iconic they were.
It's great to know this video made you appreciate the original soundtrack more. Thanks!
An utter disrespect to the original composer's work. They were so, _so_ desperate to do Bloodborne again but they just don't have the chops.
I love this form of no-commentary essay dude, making text entertaining is a lost art on youtube. Subscribed.
That means a lot, I put effort into making it interesting to read. Thank you so much!
Demon's Bloodborne amirite?
If only this looked, sounded and played as good as Bloodborne.
It plays exactly the same as the 11 year old low budget ps3 game, yet looks and sounds like Michael Bay played Bloodborne and decided to make this right after.
@@thefirelinkconspiracy I wasn't trying to say it has the quality of Bloodborne.
The new soundtrack (judging by the clips you have in the video) reminds me of the BB soundtrack somewhat.
That said I'm not a massive fan of orchestral soundtracks in games - they all sound very similar.
Gimme original music over orchestra any day, like with Unreal, Deus Ex, Nier, Persona, Disco Elysium and others.
On top of that I don't believe DeS even needed a remake in the first place - I've emulated it recently after playing it on PS3 a few years back and with the increase in resolution, extra AA/AF and a bit of SSAO the game looks perfectly good still.
Why even change the soundtrack in the first place
to defend them a bit, some of the music featured ingame actually has more tranquil passages in them like the Maiden In Black theme
but this is not heard on the official album
Some things I don’t mind like penatrator theme or maneater or phalanx
Just the rumours that these people are remaking bloodborne and porting it to pc creates a huge fear in my heart
Good video.
I personally prefer it when one takes as much time as is needed to properly get the point across and it felt rather short in my opinion, or I should say that I felt like you had more to say but didn't.
However, I won't begrudge you for doing things the way you think are proper.
If you know any more about music theory, I'd love to hear or read about it in your next video like the way you did with the old monk theme.
Since most of the tracks sound similar now, i thought the video could've ended up sounding redundant.
But i'll share some more brief observations i left out of the video since you asked.
-"Dragon God" sounds almost like a parody now, since the fight is still the exact same, you run around breaking pillars while the dragon itself does nothing unless you mess up. They tried really hard to make this track sound pandemonic and god of warish even though Bluepoint left the boss untouched, just as gimmicky.
-Flamelurker is honestly one of the ""better"" reinterpretations but it misses the point like every other track. 20 second build up followed by 3 different arrangements of the original melody... while Flamelurker is desperately trying to reposition himself in order to track the player, only to get staggered by a mail breaker poke to the butt. Most of the new music won't even be heard in-game since Flamelurker (and all of the other bosses besides Old King Allant) have small health bars.
-They really shoved latin (i think it's latin?) in every track they could, too. "Return to Slumber" is the worst example of that i think. The new "lyrics" disrupt the smoothness of the music.
-Old Hero's theme can barely be heard because of the over the top screaming and grunting and panting and etc. But it sounds very generic also.
-I don't know why the new Old King Allant theme got entirely rid of the organ since the musicians now had the privilege to work with an authentic church piece. The track sounds very bland and uninspired now.
I'm not a musician myself, but pretty much all of my close family are.
I'm an artist though, i certainly have more to say about the art direction and the sound design, as i'll do soon enough.
And thanks for the comment! I'm glad you appreciated the video.
@@thefirelinkconspiracy I felt like the bombastic tune of flamelurker sets up the expectation that we have learned some grand forbidden knowledge about the boss, like with Ludwig in Bloodborne, the theme is that much more impactful if you know the story.
Way late to this, but I actually like (most of) the DeS Remake's soundtrack. The glaring downside to me is that it clearly doesn't fit with DeS. It feels like music you'd hear in like Bloodborne 2 or something. I like it, but it's like putting frosting on a bean burrito. Frosting is great on cake if used properly but no one wants frosting on a burrito, right?
demons soulless sountrack: we bloodborne now
I hoped they did a treatment like Sega with Yakuza Kiwami and Kiwami 2: not only they preserved the spirit of the soundtracks but they improve them
(except Funk Goes On)
The original soundtrack is one of the most special and unique to ever brace gaming. The remake’s is shoddy, overproduced, and lacks all of the subtlety that made Demon’s Souls what it is. Them embracing Bloodborne makes absolutely no sense when Bloodborne is firmly an action game, and Demon’s Souls was much more about immersion. The minimalist palette of the original helped pull you into the world because they were so unconventional, it felt like you were stepping into a world that was entirely out of your reach. The remake just feels like every other game from the last few years.
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" *epic cacophony intensifies*
(C) Any soundtrack in remake xD
Great video, I agree whole heartedly!
The only thing I get from this remake is "Bloodborne Souls" and the original Diry Colossus ost was beautiful. All hail the great mighty POOP!
Imagine this type of remake but with Bloodborne on PS6...my god; no, Blue Point please, NO.
I've got MAD respect for this series. Thank you for stepping up to the plate to deliver the reality of the situation to all these Sony shills.
Thanks! I'm glad people like you are out there too.
I am still pissed about the remake since the reveal trailer, Bluepoint should be forced to shut down since this isn't the first time they butchered a remake or a remaster, you should look into these hacks history with their previous works, because its the same case with the bastardization of demon souls remake.
I got hyped when they announced the remake... but as soon more and more info on the redisgn of nps/bosses/whole aesthetics were made, I was slightly deceptioned...
Hearing some of the new arrangements was like: they are putting to much choirs and bombastic sounds... this is concerning, but at least they will keep the Maiden Astraea theme intact, right? RIGHT?!!!
I tolerated the redesigns and aesthetics but what they to THAT THEME was the straw that broke the camel’s back....
Yup, I won't be getting a PS5 after all. Just gonna uh...scavenge a PS3-emu copy from the Seven Seas in 5-10 years later when it's well and truly faded into obscurity.
Cheers mate, thank you.
Glad I could help! hahah
the original pieces feel like they were composed by someone who really understands games and game composition. Those tracks mirror what the player will naturally be feeling during gameplay. The new tracks seem more like they were done by a film composer. Film audiences are naturally more passive than a player in the middle of a boss fight, therefore film composition generally is more over-the-top in order to SELL a certain feeling, attempting to generate it in the audience. What the original composer understood is that the player will already be feeling things like dread, tension, unease or regret from gameplay alone - their compositions serving simply to reinforce and enhance these already present emotions without any unnecessary elements or bombast.
It's okay for Bloodborne to influence your work if you were remaking Bloodborne. This whole thing makes me wonder if the composer even listened to the original soundtrack.
Having only really watched speedruns of the original DeS, I got the impression that tge game as a whole was more "Renaissance" than what is shown in the remake.
I knew they would screw up the remake when I saw the trailer. Once I heard Maiden in Black, I decided to avoid playing it. They should have just remastered the original
I'm happy I'm not the only one who thinks something's wrong with remade soundtrack in Demon's Souls. It's sometimes getting comical when you're fighting some deformed monster but the music is so epic and over the top as if you were killing greek gods with your bare hands.
overall the bombastic nature of the remake´s soundtrack follows a trend that is there since Dark souls 3 and that reached the pinacle in DS3.
Jesus this remake is a disaster. Not one to make assumptions, but it seems like the only people who like this over the original are just coping over the fact that they spent a ludicrous amount of money on a console for mostly nothing.
The *new* Old Monk soundtrack sounds like it belongs to Bloodborne. I think it could fit to that game perfectly. But... This is Demon's Souls!
omg every remake song sounds the same
Too bad all the TH-cam shills were hyping this up
I wish you touched on Flamelurker's theme, Fools Idol (one of the most butchered) and The adjudicator. Truly sad
I will talk about them on later videos, i just don't know when i'll be able to continue editing them at this moment.
"Certainly Bloodborne has influenced this score"... oh really
I don't think FromSoft is innocent of this regression to the mean either though. DS3's OST is "Big Bloodborne" stylistically, and Elden Ring is simply rehash with a few good ambient tracks. They've lost the plot on OSTs, just like this remake team did. I'm glad Kitamura has left FS so we can get something new and fresh in the future.
Definitely bloodborne fucked so much up but even that had variety in the ost.
tbh, I quite like the new intro for the maiden astraea song, I feel like it was a spot on addition to building up the melancholy of entering this really sad boss arena. but as with everything else, they completely miss the mark afterwards. After I saw that doc of the remake, I got the feeling that bluepoint was desperately trying to show off their expertise in every aspect of the game: "look we can make particle effects" - then everything is about particle effects. "look we can have bigger orchestral pieces" - then every song becomes a 100 man orchestral thing. But, actually, I think that if I were in the same position of bluepoint, I would probably do the same... in the end, they have a team whose creativity is all funneled up to technical stuff, and they're getting projects where most of the grounded creative work is already done, so what is left to the team is to "add" stuff. It is a common thing for artists to want their work to stand out, but I think they miss the mark when they're remaking games that heavily rely on emptiness and space to tell a story, and this ost analysis is spot on to show this.
Great video. Just a tip for future, maybe it would be also good to have a banner in one corner clearly showing is it new or original track playing right now. I know you explained in the video whats about to happen but I think its good in case you look away from the screen you know exactly which track for sure you are listening to.
Thank you for the feedback, this was my first video and i was very unexperienced with video editing. I think I did a better job editing the other episodes, this one is a bit messy. Thank you for watching!
Exactly. I wasn't excited for the remake at all, but watched a walkthru to get an idea of the game I would inevitably be playing in five years time, bought second hand on a borrowed PS5 that a friend has got bored of.
Then it came to the Phalanx fight and oh no no. Hearing that they had placed this urgent, yet playfully baroque score with some random bloodborne B-roll immediately dissolved any interest I had as it shows the lack of respect paid to the original's mood and tone - or maybe the lack of understanding.
5:46 You can really feel the fart gas wafting off the Dirty Colossus in the old track.
I gotta be honest, I think the tower knight and Penetrator theme are improved.
if everything tries sounding over the top and bombastic, then nothing actually ends up standing out.
I haven't played either version of Demon's Souls, though I've been meaning to play the remake as soon as I can actually buy a PS5.
Even I can tell that your critique is spot on though, the new OST completely misses the point.
Illusory Wall has a segment in his newest Demon's Souls video where he mixes the old and new OST tracks together. They combine to make a really good sound, but a lot of the despair and mystery is still lost, due to the orchestral and choral bombast of the remake.
It's not badly composed, but it's very misdirected. Why did they try to capture a Bloodborne sound and basically threw away the original song structures? Like if you forget these are based on original songs, they'd work in some dark fantasy setting. In a vacuum the songs are fine, albeit quite derivative. In context... it's like they want nothing to do with the original intentions.
My heart hurts watching this.
Voice acting is worse all around too,
Yes, i'll cover the sound direction in the next video.
The game sounds lifeless and comercial now.
@@thefirelinkconspiracy if you want i can provide some notes on the translation. Some of the retranslated lines by Bluepoint are more accurate some are less accurate and but as you'd expect "more accurate" doesn't mean better since they lose the nuance.
@@Quizerno Most of the problems i have with the audio of the remake have little to do with the lines themselves, i personally wouldn't mind an english script that more closely resembles the japanese.
I'm more bothered by the new awful sound effects they used for your character and the enemies and etc. The atmosphere and feel of the original game has been largely demolished by this new americanized direction.
But if you think there's relevance to the translation, sure, you can link it to me, i'd be glad to examine it!
Maybe there are details i'm ignorant of that could enhance my analysis of the remake as a whole. Thanks!
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I definitely agree that the audio is a bigger problem (the protagonist can't stop fucking heavy breathing in the remake) along with art, music and cutscene direction.
It's mostly a personal thing since as an amateur translator there are some lines that I feel were perfectly translated and should not have been changed.
So far I've only done a hard comparison of Allant's lines. I'll send you that, when I have a moment. I'll look over the Maiden's, Ostrava's, and the Monumental's next.
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imagine if they did this to armored core
Finally, someone agreed with me. While no doubt Bluepoint did a great job with Atmosphere, models, and animation but they destroyed the charming of the original soundtrack. They may
credit Shunsuke Kida's for the composer but in the interview, it just took his score and other composer arranged the soundtrack that was too grand for Demon's Soul should be.
I understand your felliing, bro.
This soundtrack is the reason I didn't buy a ps5
I thought I was the only one who had this opinion, this remake just makes me sad
LMFAO WHAT WERE THEY THINKING
Honestly some of the tracks sound like God of War music which is :^|
God of War music fits God of War. This music does not fit Demon's Souls, most definitely..
One other aspect which is somewhat difficult to talk about openly, but nevertheless makes the remake experience worse immersion-wise, is the random insertion of characters from different ethnicities than in the original game. Sure, this is a work of fiction. But nevertheless, its aesthetics are mostly based around european folklore and mythology. Not to mention the fact that is the vision FROM software mostly went with.
Bluepoint swapped ethnicities of a number of characters on purpose, as a non-sensical stupid statement. And they know it and everybody knows it. And sure, that doesn't necessarily ruin the experience. But makes it inferior, less immersive and more "gamey", because non-sensical changes are shoved in your face on purpose. It's like playing a Sekiro Remake and having random Innuits, Finns and Polynesians appear out of nowhere as a "statement". No thanks; I want an experience based around Japanese Folklore, as it was supposed to be 👍
>random insertion of characters from different ethnicities than in the original game
Wait, what the fug? Who did they raceswap?
This is what A.I. would make if you asked it to remake the soundtrack to be “as epic as possible”.
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*Beyond the Remake of 'Shadow of the Colossus': A Technical Perspective - Peter Dalton - Bluepoint Games*
1. Quality is the foundation of success. I believe that this is absolutely true for our industry. If you want long term sustained success you must have quality to feed it.
2. Every project we release must be better than our previous release. Hopefully you can see this trend by looking at our past projects.
"The depth at which we remaster projects has grown exponentially. Starting with the God Of War Collection, which involved texture cleanup, to the Uncharted Collection which involved all aspects of the game being modified. In fact for Shadow we don’t call it a remaster, we coin it a remake given the complexity of the project. And moving forward to our next project, we coin it a *_re-envisioning_* given that it goes well beyond what we even thought possible on Shadow."
Going by this, it's *Demon's Souls Re-envisioning*
_view or visualize (something) in a different way with the aim of improving or transforming it_
They were so arrogant. But americans are infamous for doing this type of remake/re-envisioned slop for decades, so to me it was not surprising in the slightest. I still cringe to the american remakes of Jacob's Ladder and The Wicker Man when they come to mind from time to time.
every song in the remake sounds the same and sounds so loud and generic
Demon's Souls (Ps5) has been real quiet since this dropped
I am glad now i got a ps3 with demon's Souls now. I am currently playing it for the first time. Have my Ps5 Demon's Souls too but never played it i wanted to play the Og first. Why did they even bother to compose new tracks? The old ones where Perfekt.
And the biggest thing is the price, it’s too much for a old game without anything new added, plus no tower knight armor
This needs more views, these bastards butchered this masterpiece.