Hand Winching a 4WD Ute - Wyeth Scott More Power Puller versus Standard Come A Long
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ต.ค. 2021
- This is not a training video. This was a quick comparison of two products, a wire rope come-a-long rated to 4 Ton that often gets used by 4WD enthusiasts as a backup recovery device, and the 6 Ton More Power Puller from Wyeth Scott, made in the USA.
This was produced by Hand Winch NZ, who distributes Wyeth Scott More Power Pullers in NZ and Australia (www.handwinch.co.nz/ ).
This video demonstrates the pulling ability of the More Power Puller hand winch, pulling a Nissan Navara up a 15-25 degree slope with the handbrake on. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Great to see one of these in a recovery situation.
Nice video. You should use a soft shackle to connect the tree saver to the winch though
Currently awaiting delivery of the W.S., 2.7 tonnes (single line pull) to 5.4 tonnes (double line pull) unit, from New Zealand, along with an alloy "X-lock" line length adjustment 'block' from the USA. Latter mentioned item seems to be the best available means of adjusting the length of the winches anchor rope (i.e. the distance from the winches rear hook back to the tree protector straps soft shackle) without having to terminate the dyneema rope with a strength compromising knot. Can thus always utilize maximum winch rope capacity. Spent a huge amount of research on winches looking for an alternative to having to add around 130 - 150 kgs onto the front of my MUX and then having to worry about further cost of suspension upgrade, compromised pay-load and increased fuel consumption. I also recently sourced an alloy snatch ring and ditched my steel snatch block. Also two 30 lengths of dyneema; both fitted at each end with high quality tube thimbles. With this set up I can do a two line pull making over the full length of the W.S. winches 10mtr rope applying north of 5 tonnes and a three line pull, applying north of 10 tonnes and with the (accessory) extension handle, should have an easy (be as it may slow) time doing front, rear and side pulls. I also carry to sets of M@xtr@x, shovel, axe, drag chain.
Where can you learn about the things you talk about? Are there books or courses? I just purchased a used come along to pull large bushes. I never realized the topic was so rich with technical information.
@henrykarabela1829 Hello. My main sources of knowledge are the internet including You Tube. I am unaware of any books or courses. However please pursue more knowledge and understanding of the subject because the forces that come alongs can generate can result in very serious, even fatal injuries to you and/or bystanders if something gives way while trying to shift or lift a load. Stay safe and God Bless.
If I'm ever in this situation by myself and I'm hand cranking at the tree, what gear is the truck in? Are you putting it in neutral or park or something?
Hi Ryan - neutral, dont put it in park as then your having to drag the vehicle. This video the ute was in neutral with handbrake on, to show the strength of the winch. Better to be dragging it on a flat or uphill gradient, as if its downhill and you break free, chance the vehicle could roll forward.
Can you estimate how many inches the hook moves per crank on the handle with the Wyeth-Scott?
Hi John, I have never measured this, but it takes about 2 minutes to wind in 10 m of rope (under no weight). There is a video on my channel pulling a log out of a gully - that took around 6 minutes to pull 5-6 m (roughly 35-40 inches per minute). Hope that helps
You can calculate it if you know the input force required.
Is it possible to reverse (safely and slowly of course) with this winch please?
Hi, yes that's one of the great advantages. See this video as an example. th-cam.com/video/cQWMkdsZwKw/w-d-xo.html
I have removed and installed many large engine/transmission combos with a more power puller. They let down easy.
@@handwinchnewzealand1801 Unlike this Chinese come-along, the Wyeth Scott was not designed for releasing tension on the line. In the video from the link, the guy is trying to prove that it's possible, but it was only possible because the tension was not very high. If it were, he wouldn't be able to operate that handle with one hand and the pawl with the other.
@@Ntwadumela1 You are wrong, have you ever used one before?!
The Wyeth Scott is significantly easier than the chinese come-alongs to release tension - as it has two large oversized pawls. Every person who has used one would have had to release tension at some point in time.
Not shown in the video is that you can also push the handle down (flat) towards the anchor 'hook' and it disengages the locking pawl, rapidly releasing all tension. The purpose of the video was to show it can be done slowly if you want a controlled release.
@@handwinchnewzealand1801 It is obvious that you do not fully understand how the Chinese winch works. Its ratchet mechanism is designed in such a way that it allows you to release the tension in the rope one click at a time. In practice, this means that you can lift AND lower even a very heavy load in a very controllable way. You can keep both hands on the handle and you don't have to put your fingers into the ratchet mechanism. The guy in the link below has a slightly different come-along but its ratchet mechanism works on a similar principle. I think he is the only person on the entire internet who really knows how to operate this type of winch.
I can only give you the ID and title of the video. Start watching at 8 min 55 sec:
„Maasdam Rope Puller (Rope Come-Along) for Tree Work”
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Please please stop doing and showing dangerous practices like this, people will trust and get killed if they doing like you do. Few point of failures: combination of synthetic winch rope and steel wire, choker connection of your tree saver and not even properly engaged hook's safety latch,.... either of these fail, will have catastrophic results and worst seems that your vehicle is in neutral and will continue to roll towards opposite direction. Hand pullers (come along) are not designed for Vehicle recovery but for tightening slack between fences and moving some what heavy like 600 to 1000 pounds horizontal and ONLY suppose to be connected by itself between anchor point and the movable object, no extension, no over head lifting.... You need to remove your video.😶
You are unfortunately wrong on many points there.
I do agree the cheap come along shouldn't be used for a recovery, the point was to show how difficult it is as many 4wd enthusiasts use these as a backup. This model was rated to 4 tons in a double line pull. Yes, a soft shackle could have been used on tree strop to ensure the latch could have closed as an added safety measure.
The synthetic rope was also connected to the wire puller by a steel thimble - so its not a point of failure, only the rope breaking would be, with the most likely spot being the knot for the bowline, hence the rope was overrated at 9600 kg.
The vehicle being pulled was in neutral with the hand brake on... so it was being dragged. If any failure occurred it wouldn't have moved.
The more power puller is a completely different puller, designed and tested for dead lifting and pulling up to 12,000 pound. These have been used in many recovery situations for decades. Every recovery situation is different and dangerous, and people need to make a call when it is safe to use or not use a certain recovery device.
This isn't a training video, it's purely a comparison of two products.