I think it would've been nice if you had shown that Ts can still throw a car smoke even if you do kind of hint at the fact it is still possible (the one thrown as Ts leave their spawn) Otherwise an amazing video the time and effort really shows :)
^ This. The research alone is amazing, but turning that into a compelling narrative, along with the visual demonstrations of line ups, models, etc is amazing. What dedication.
It’s one of my favorite parts of watching esports, watching as people adapt and find new ways of problem solving is the most interesting part of the game
“Counter” strike in the truest sense. The amount of patience, analysis and work to compile something like this is absolutely amazing. Thank you for your contributions to the community with these videos, Mahone. These will go down as some of the most iconic videos in the times to come.
I wouldn’t mind a video a year if they’re at this level of quality. Super informative and insightful, and I probably don’t need to tell you you’re an extremely gifted analyst. Great video man
This video is INSANE. Extremely detailed. Can't even begin to imagine the amount of research that went into this. % of put out smoke alone is insane. Just to nitpick, the only thing I would've added was the CT-T side winrate to show how each variation increased the winrate starting from quite CT-sided in 2012 to the slightly T-sided version we ended up with in 2023.
Thanks so much! I had looked into adding in the CT/T win-rate, but I found that the results had little relation to who was winning the fight at banana. This was likely because both sides were also developing ways to fight/defend at A as well. If I developed a way to measure the win-rate at only banana, I would have added it in for sure.
really great look back at not just inferno and banana but also how the game's changed over the years. completely forgot that the molotovs use to be so expensive or that you couldn't even extinguish them with smokes at one point. fantastic work man
Thank you so much for making vids showing the depth of strategy evolution It's what makes counter-strike such an intriguing game, and it deserves to be documented
It's really interesting to see how it got increasingly complex. I also love seeing a detailed breakdown of all the metas I have gone through, somewhat nostalgic.
Well polished, thoughtfully researched, and something for every level of Counter-Strike fan. Thank you for all the hard work you put into these videos and bravo on finishing this gargantuan documentation.
This video is better than your Mirage window-smoke video, which REALLY says a lot Both videos are in my top10 of best Counter-Strike videos ever made Not only was this informative, it serves as a trip down memory lane for those of us who have been actively following the meta for many many years Just phenomenal work - Words can hardly describe it! One tiny note: The reason the car for Ts had a sudden rise in popularity towards the later stages of CS:GO was the invention of the "NiKo-smoke". It was a way to throw the car smoke where it left a one-way gap on the right side (halfwall) to play around. The T could simply walk through if no one was playing sandbags and would have one-way advantage on any reaggressing CTs. The smoke rose in popularity further when a sort of "Reverse NiKo-smoke" was found, which left a one-way gap on top of the barrels. - These two smokes allowed Ts to block the early CT vision whilst also giving themselves a way to lurk through the smoke.
Hey Nato, thanks for that. I'm very glad to hear you enjoyed both of these videos so much. To touch on your note, I did notice this detail but I decided not include it in the video. I felt this particular aspect of the smoke didn't create as big of a shift in the "banana fight" in comparison to simply blocking early CT vision. I made a similar decision for the CT 1-way smoke next to the wagon on the old Inferno, as I viewed both of these as smaller interactions that didn't affect the "entirety" of banana control as much. I admit that crafting the narrative for this video was very difficult, and maybe I should have included that detail in. I made some hard decisions about what to include & what not to, based on what I thought would be most important to pack into a ~30min video (I did not want to go longer than this). Next time will be better!
@@mahone_tvThat makes perfect sense and I understand sacrifices have to be made with videos like this sometimes Just wanted to add that extra perspective for anyone who didn’t know it I am sure that next one will be even better as you said but you should not feel in any way, shape or form that this was not a master class 😍
I don’t usually comment on videos, but I’m commenting here so I can boost the videos engagement rate and hopefully the algorithm will blast this to everyone. Great content, keep it up at whatever pace works for you!
This is insanely good material - very very well researched and the narrative building around the changing meta flowed really well. It's crazy to see how deep the tactics go and the constant game of finding counters(trike) is fascinating.
Possibly the best cs video ive ever seen, the full history explained and how it evolved and how faster the evolution gets each time. Amazing to think, fantastic video
Mahone you are one of the greatest to ever document Counter Strike history. We are blessed as a community to have you create such pieces for us. Another amazing video.
This was a pleasant surprise to see you back with another “Evolution” series video. I just hope the community gives you enough love this time to encourage you to keep making them. Thank you!
I remember a conversation where Moses (caster/analyst/coach) told a story about a conversation he had with stewie when he was the coach of Liquid, where stewie broke down how complex banana control was and all the different nadesets and how they interact and what they mean. Was very cool to see this part of the game broken down so well, amazing work!
Hell yeah, A1 video mahone, honestly probably my favorite of yours! Super well scripted, edited, researched and shot. Can't imagine how long it must've taken to gather all that data and footage but the end result is really amazing. Keep doing what you do, by far my favorite cs content creator!
Very well made video, As someone who has played since early 2014 it was good to see how the meta has changed & also a bit of nostalgia about teams having a gentleman agreement to not use molotovs early on haha
would love to see more of these videos, it was a pleasure to watch and you are one of the few people that have the ability to to make videos like these
Damn! This is probably the most detailed csgo strat video I've seen with great story telling. The editing and gathering all the highlights.. Just awesome 👍🏻
These videos must take so much time and effort, but holy shit they are on a different level. Your analytical ability is truly impressive. Not many people ever reach this level.
A while ago I was discussing how cool it would be to have a meta history for a map, and here you go delivering the great content! Considering you didn't cover less popular tactics eg the astralis push (mid+banana push, 2 mollies burning down bottom of banana & mid + support flashes), and still the video is 30min long, I guess this already was colossal work! Hope we'll see more! Edit: you even shared sources what a goat
Please never ever stop making content for Counter strike community, it was more than 10 months since you posted, we all thought you stopped creating new content. you may not have as many followers as nadeking or others, but your content is the most important for our commumity as it teaches new players, please keep this community alive alive in CS2 as well _/\_
I watched this vid last week. I can say I have played Inferno and done so much better with banana from both T and CT side. This has helped me immensely in my play, with also giving me a ton of fun info about the history of banana through pro play.
I love this so much!!! Super high quality document always make me jump on the chair. The key thing I love about these videos is the mindset behind it. Newer player like me never understand fully why players do some lineup instead of the others. The history cut down seriously creates newer players with better aim but weaker mindset and game sense and it happens in every game.
Nailed it. This video should be a learning video to every new up comers. All the new pro should know, you have to adapt and learn new way to stay in the meta. Well done. It was a pleasure to know all these nades. As said, The problem has its solution, that's come with a problem.
This is the most interesting cs content I've seen in years. I've lost interest in the scene with css and only got back into it in 2019 so I missed a big part of the csgo meta. thank you so much for this incredible content
The cs2 meta is already shifting, I've heard both "CT should always fight for banana because they get it for free" and "CT shouldn't overstay their welcome in banana because of how narrow and spammy it is" excited to see it evolve in the future
something i'm realising going through this is that even in silver matchmaking i've seen a lot of these smokes and felt a lot of these meta shifts over the years i was active, so seeing their origins at the top level after all these years is really something else
awesome video, you did great showing the evolution of this one area, how strats changed over time both what was working and who adapted as well as valve changes that mixed up strats
Great video! What tool did you use to parse through all of the data from the demos? For instance at 20:03 , you bring up specific quantities of molotovs/extinguished molotovs, and I'm assuming you didn't count manually. Is it proprietary, or is it something the public has access to as well?
Thanks so much! These two resources will help you get started if you are interested in this side of Counter-Strike: github.com/markus-wa/demoinfocs-golang github.com/pnxenopoulos/awpy
It's been a while. This video has taken a very long time but I hope you all enjoy. Let me know what you think down below!
Dude, I would wait 5 years if I had to for these styles of videos. No worries man❤
Thanks for the hard work!
You presents the greatest documentaries on Counter-Strike strategies!
Thank you, mahone!
I think it would've been nice if you had shown that Ts can still throw a car smoke even if you do kind of hint at the fact it is still possible (the one thrown as Ts leave their spawn) Otherwise an amazing video the time and effort really shows :)
Amazing job once again. What's the next one?
Banana utility summed up: "I'm gonna do this to stop this" "Nuh uh, I'm gonna do this to stop this" "NUH UH, I'm gonna do this to stop this" X40
deadass just how kids fight but you have to actually think instead of "your mom is fatter-er-er-est"
I’m just happy to know you’re alive
i was waiting for so long for a new video
that makes two of us
btw u & 'corner' XD r killing it at blast, hell ya
Sylvester Mahone always comes back with the goods
U are the top comment in his last video lol
Nice pfp :3
great video and obviously a ton of patience and dedication to do this much research and tell a compelling storyline. well done
voo how are you?
^ This. The research alone is amazing, but turning that into a compelling narrative, along with the visual demonstrations of line ups, models, etc is amazing. What dedication.
Stats are for losers.
@@aimlevelsure all aim no brain i guess
lineup for loosers
Its just insane how fragile all of those strats are. One small change to the game and so many strats don't work anymore and the whole meta changes.
Yeah. A single addition of a box or a corner somewhere in a map can drastically affect the entire map's meta and optimal positions
It’s one of my favorite parts of watching esports, watching as people adapt and find new ways of problem solving is the most interesting part of the game
@@ZvedeENGforeshadowing the d2 change hahaha
“Counter” strike in the truest sense. The amount of patience, analysis and work to compile something like this is absolutely amazing. Thank you for your contributions to the community with these videos, Mahone. These will go down as some of the most iconic videos in the times to come.
As a casual player who never watches the pro games, my mind is utterly blown
8:03 Of course KQLY is ready for the first time the boost was used in an official
KQLY hacking?
Noooo
KQLY hacking?
Noooooooo
Srsly? Nooooooo ...
Very strange
sirioosly? nooo..
SIRIOOSLY?? NOOOOO
uh oh
I wouldn’t mind a video a year if they’re at this level of quality. Super informative and insightful, and I probably don’t need to tell you you’re an extremely gifted analyst. Great video man
for real, the amount of time and work that went into making this is clear as day to see and it's so enjoyable to watch
From the mirage window to banana meta, you’ve done excellent work here. Please keep uploading, we need you back
Another world class mini documentary about CS and its evolution, fantastic work Mahone!
i can only fathom the amount of prep and research was immense on this. insanely well done and crafted beautifully
This video is INSANE. Extremely detailed. Can't even begin to imagine the amount of research that went into this. % of put out smoke alone is insane.
Just to nitpick, the only thing I would've added was the CT-T side winrate to show how each variation increased the winrate starting from quite CT-sided in 2012 to the slightly T-sided version we ended up with in 2023.
Thanks so much!
I had looked into adding in the CT/T win-rate, but I found that the results had little relation to who was winning the fight at banana. This was likely because both sides were also developing ways to fight/defend at A as well. If I developed a way to measure the win-rate at only banana, I would have added it in for sure.
mahone with another masterpiece, what a gem for the scene
really great look back at not just inferno and banana but also how the game's changed over the years. completely forgot that the molotovs use to be so expensive or that you couldn't even extinguish them with smokes at one point. fantastic work man
Thank you so much for making vids showing the depth of strategy evolution
It's what makes counter-strike such an intriguing game, and it deserves to be documented
Enthralling video. I didn't realize that the game had such a back and fourth utility battle for YEARS.
A mahone banger was not what I expected to see on my front page this morning!
Mahone's the kind of guy to drop such top tier videos out of nowhere. Excited to watch this one!
It's really interesting to see how it got increasingly complex.
I also love seeing a detailed breakdown of all the metas I have gone through, somewhat nostalgic.
21:15 When you said "pre-smoke" I exploded. The tactical war is absolutely crazy.
Well polished, thoughtfully researched, and something for every level of Counter-Strike fan. Thank you for all the hard work you put into these videos and bravo on finishing this gargantuan documentation.
Oh shit another banger documentary
It’s impressive that how I can see the history of Banana control over 20 years in this video. Appreciated your efforts!
This video is better than your Mirage window-smoke video, which REALLY says a lot
Both videos are in my top10 of best Counter-Strike videos ever made
Not only was this informative, it serves as a trip down memory lane for those of us who have been actively following the meta for many many years
Just phenomenal work - Words can hardly describe it!
One tiny note:
The reason the car for Ts had a sudden rise in popularity towards the later stages of CS:GO was the invention of the "NiKo-smoke".
It was a way to throw the car smoke where it left a one-way gap on the right side (halfwall) to play around.
The T could simply walk through if no one was playing sandbags and would have one-way advantage on any reaggressing CTs.
The smoke rose in popularity further when a sort of "Reverse NiKo-smoke" was found, which left a one-way gap on top of the barrels.
- These two smokes allowed Ts to block the early CT vision whilst also giving themselves a way to lurk through the smoke.
Hey Nato, thanks for that. I'm very glad to hear you enjoyed both of these videos so much.
To touch on your note, I did notice this detail but I decided not include it in the video. I felt this particular aspect of the smoke didn't create as big of a shift in the "banana fight" in comparison to simply blocking early CT vision. I made a similar decision for the CT 1-way smoke next to the wagon on the old Inferno, as I viewed both of these as smaller interactions that didn't affect the "entirety" of banana control as much.
I admit that crafting the narrative for this video was very difficult, and maybe I should have included that detail in. I made some hard decisions about what to include & what not to, based on what I thought would be most important to pack into a ~30min video (I did not want to go longer than this). Next time will be better!
@@mahone_tvThat makes perfect sense and I understand sacrifices have to be made with videos like this sometimes
Just wanted to add that extra perspective for anyone who didn’t know it
I am sure that next one will be even better as you said but you should not feel in any way, shape or form that this was not a master class 😍
I don’t usually comment on videos, but I’m commenting here so I can boost the videos engagement rate and hopefully the algorithm will blast this to everyone. Great content, keep it up at whatever pace works for you!
Finally another banger. MAHONE PLEASE KEEP MAKING THESE THIS IS SUCH A GREAT GAP IN THE MARKET1!!!
This is insanely good material - very very well researched and the narrative building around the changing meta flowed really well. It's crazy to see how deep the tactics go and the constant game of finding counters(trike) is fascinating.
I can't imagine how much work was involved in researching this. Great job dude.
Possibly the best cs video ive ever seen, the full history explained and how it evolved and how faster the evolution gets each time. Amazing to think, fantastic video
Mahone you are one of the greatest to ever document Counter Strike history. We are blessed as a community to have you create such pieces for us. Another amazing video.
Appreciate it, thank you!
That feeling when you know you've been needing something but you didn't know what. Turns out it was a Mahone vid! Absolute banger!
This was a pleasant surprise to see you back with another “Evolution” series video. I just hope the community gives you enough love this time to encourage you to keep making them. Thank you!
How... Just how did you even make this video, im actually blown away, the level of research + high production quality is insane!
I remember a conversation where Moses (caster/analyst/coach) told a story about a conversation he had with stewie when he was the coach of Liquid, where stewie broke down how complex banana control was and all the different nadesets and how they interact and what they mean. Was very cool to see this part of the game broken down so well, amazing work!
Let’s go new mahone video and its a godtier one 💪🏻
This was extremely well done and informative while being simple to understand AND entertaining! Amazing job on this!
Thanks so much!
Amazing video, can only imagine how long it took and the dedication to create it all beautiful. Can't wait for your next one
new mahone video 💣
this and the mirage smoke video are my favorite cs videos on youtube. Props to all the work you put into this masterpiece
It's amazing what a few simple tweaks can do to completely change the gameplay in one single specific place on a map. Great video, btw.
Hell yeah, A1 video mahone, honestly probably my favorite of yours! Super well scripted, edited, researched and shot. Can't imagine how long it must've taken to gather all that data and footage but the end result is really amazing. Keep doing what you do, by far my favorite cs content creator!
PLEASE MAKE MORE OF THESE, IT MAKES IT SO MUCH EASIER TO CONVINCE PEOPLE HOW DEEP THIS AWESOME GAME IS
Very well made video, As someone who has played since early 2014 it was good to see how the meta has changed & also a bit of nostalgia about teams having a gentleman agreement to not use molotovs early on haha
would love to see more of these videos, it was a pleasure to watch and you are one of the few people that have the ability to to make videos like these
What an amazing analysis of the meta shift of an iconic cs area.. Great work!
Your CS content is always worth the wait!
Damn! This is probably the most detailed csgo strat video I've seen with great story telling. The editing and gathering all the highlights.. Just awesome 👍🏻
These videos must take so much time and effort, but holy shit they are on a different level.
Your analytical ability is truly impressive. Not many people ever reach this level.
Really hope you keep making these videos, some of the best cs focused content ever
I can't imagine the amount of time spent watching Inferno pro matches for this, it's super interesting love it thanks
Loved the mirage window smoke video, and this one tops even that! Keep em coming mahone
A while ago I was discussing how cool it would be to have a meta history for a map, and here you go delivering the great content! Considering you didn't cover less popular tactics eg the astralis push (mid+banana push, 2 mollies burning down bottom of banana & mid + support flashes), and still the video is 30min long, I guess this already was colossal work! Hope we'll see more!
Edit: you even shared sources what a goat
These 32 minutes just flew by and im grateful for you for making this sublime analysis.
This is why Counter-Strike is the best competitive game ever created. Tiny player created changes make such insane meta changes. Amazing work.
I'm glad you still working on great content like this!
This is so well done and really gives a great overview of the overarching tactical approaches
Please never ever stop making content for Counter strike community, it was more than 10 months since you posted, we all thought you stopped creating new content.
you may not have as many followers as nadeking or others, but your content is the most important for our commumity as it teaches new players,
please keep this community alive alive in CS2 as well _/\_
It's not even my fav map and I watched whole video. Who would think that you can make an entire video about banana on inferno. Great job
TLDR: Just trow as much shit as possible in there and pray.
I watched this vid last week. I can say I have played Inferno and done so much better with banana from both T and CT side. This has helped me immensely in my play, with also giving me a ton of fun info about the history of banana through pro play.
Keep in mind this is just a small spot in one of the many maps of CS. This game is MASSIVE
Man i cant imagine how much work you put in to make this video. Just exceptionally excellent video!
that was surprisingly interesting. crazy just how much of counter strikes complex strategy lies in the nades
pretty cool . wasn't aware of how much history banana had . nicely done :)
such a banger of a video
I love this so much!!! Super high quality document always make me jump on the chair.
The key thing I love about these videos is the mindset behind it. Newer player like me never understand fully why players do some lineup instead of the others. The history cut down seriously creates newer players with better aim but weaker mindset and game sense and it happens in every game.
hardest working Counter-Strike TH-camr right here. Always appreciate your research & documentation my dude
hello from HLTV brother, congratz on making it onto one of their posts
Its crazy how a small hallway has been living in our minds rent-free for so long
When I see your graphics all I can think about is chess. How this counters this and how this other thing nullifies the counter. It's beautiful!
mahone is the only person who will make me watch a video about a spot in a online game
Dude. It is clear that you did a lot of work on this video.
Amazing job!
I love these kind of evolution videos. Keep making them, makes a casual player like me better enjoy the pro scene.
Very well done, dude! Danke fur patience and time you'd spend to make this informative video!
Nailed it. This video should be a learning video to every new up comers. All the new pro should know, you have to adapt and learn new way to stay in the meta.
Well done. It was a pleasure to know all these nades.
As said, The problem has its solution, that's come with a problem.
Love your videos man. Keep it up. I will watch every one of them because they are so high quality.
Great video, we need more!
Thanks for immortalizing the meta of our favourite game!
Really nice video that actually shows how complicated CS really is. Well done.
Huge respect for the work done!
This is the most interesting cs content I've seen in years. I've lost interest in the scene with css and only got back into it in 2019 so I missed a big part of the csgo meta. thank you so much for this incredible content
The cs2 meta is already shifting, I've heard both "CT should always fight for banana because they get it for free" and "CT shouldn't overstay their welcome in banana because of how narrow and spammy it is" excited to see it evolve in the future
I think I've said it before in your other videos but this might be the best video you've ever made! It's just pure quality.
wow you make the best counter-strike content on the whole internet
Keep doing these videos man they are fantastic.
I didnt even realize youve recently only made two.
I think you found your niche brother.
Incredible video. This is a great idea for a series that can last for years.
i haven't played cs for years, but this video is fascinating. great work on all the research i'm sure this must have taken!
something i'm realising going through this is that even in silver matchmaking i've seen a lot of these smokes and felt a lot of these meta shifts over the years i was active, so seeing their origins at the top level after all these years is really something else
OK MAHONE! LETS GO! I didn't realize your channel got so big! Keep up the good work!
This is a name I haven't seen in so long. Hope you're doing well man!
@@mahone_tv
Great video... That logs pixelwalk gave me so much nostalgia
awesome video, you did great showing the evolution of this one area, how strats changed over time both what was working and who adapted as well as valve changes that mixed up strats
Geez. That's a huge amount of research. Good job
Such an awesome video, it really showcases just why we love counter strike so much. Great work man, seriously!
This video was insanely well done. Pro cs tactics are beautiful
feels like a history class about an arm race during a war, love this
This is scholarly work imo. Thank you for this.
fantastic video--very well researched. A lot of these old matches bring back memories
Great content ❤❤❤
Its funny how a map got only one update in 10 years but the meta evolves so fast
Bro great video make more like this I subscribed, it's fun to see the history of a tactic and how they evolved 👍
Great video! What tool did you use to parse through all of the data from the demos? For instance at 20:03 , you bring up specific quantities of molotovs/extinguished molotovs, and I'm assuming you didn't count manually. Is it proprietary, or is it something the public has access to as well?
Thanks so much! These two resources will help you get started if you are interested in this side of Counter-Strike:
github.com/markus-wa/demoinfocs-golang
github.com/pnxenopoulos/awpy