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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 พ.ค. 2024
- Inferno Banana is one of the most tactically refined areas in Counter-Strike, as new ways of grabbing control of it constantly evolve.
I go through the History of Inferno Banana Control to discover how its meta was developed over the past decade.
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Demos downloaded from HLTV.org
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TH-cam video credit to:
karrigan - How to Take Banana & B Site on Inferno - Karrigan Reviews #21 CS:GO: • How to Take Banana & B...
Elmapuddy - Astralis Always get Banana Control - Here’s how they do it: • Astralis Always get Ba...
Road to the Boston Major - Eleague Documentary: • (Ep. 5) Eleague Road T...
Banana Control - ELEAGUE Map Tactics: • Banana Control | Map T...
Valve - The Energy of the ESWC CS:GO Tournaments: • The Energy of the ESWC...
myesplanet - ESWC 2012: NIP winning against Area51: • ESWC: NIP winning agai...
CS 1.6 POV Demos - POV: SpawN vs r5 @ IEM SK CS 1.6 Demo: • POV: SpawN vs. r5 @IEM...
HattonGames - CS:GO 15/11/12 Update: Molotov Nerfed, Smoke Visibility, Money System, New Scoreboard/Sounds: • CS:GO 15/11/12 Update:...
Pro Gamers - WHEN CS 1.6 PROS BOOST THEIR TEAMMATES: • WHEN CS 1.6 PROS BOOST...
TrilluXe - CS:GO - BIG CROUCH JUMP PEEK EXPLOIT AT PGL MAJOR!: • CS:GO - BIG CROUCH JUM...
Valve - CS2 launch trailer: • Counter-Strike 2 - Lau...
austincs - THIS SMOKE WILL BREAK THE META ON CS2 INFERNO: • THIS SMOKE WILL BREAK ...
PimpCS2 - This smoke will be a gamechanger for Inferno: • This smoke will be a g...
Valve - Responsive smokes: • Counter-Strike 2: Resp...
Articles:
HLTV - Players speak out: ban molotovs: www.hltv.org/news/9252/player...
Petition to ban molotovs: www.thepetitionsite.com/277/6...
HLTV - Molotovs & Money system in CS:GO: www.hltv.org/news/9492/moloto...
Valve - Molotov nerf: store.steampowered.com/oldnew...
HLTV - Tournaments set unified rules: www.hltv.org/news/9312/tourna...
Valve - price reduction on molotovs: store.steampowered.com/oldnew...
Inferno removed from active duty: blog.counter-strike.net/index...
Inferno added back to active duty: blog.counter-strike.net/index...
Teams have gathered to discuss jump bug: / teams_have_gathered_to...
HLTV - Crouch bug officially allowed at the major: www.hltv.org/news/21053/crouc...
karrigan - gentleman’s agreement not to use jumpbug: / 886878284528701440
Jumpbug patched: blog.counter-strike.net/index...
Soundtrack:
Perfect Dark - Deep Sea: Nullify Threat
Perfect Dark - Carrington Villa: Hostage One
Perfect Dark - Skedar Ruins: Battle Shrine
Perfect Dark - Chicago Stealth
Perfect Dark - Air Base: Espionage
Perfect Dark - dataDyne Central: Investigation
Perfect Dark - dataDyne Central: Defection
Perfect Dark - Carrington Institute
Perfect Dark - Attack Ship: Covert Assault - เกม
It's been a while. This video has taken a very long time but I hope you all enjoy. Let me know what you think down below!
Dude, I would wait 5 years if I had to for these styles of videos. No worries man❤
Thanks for the hard work!
You presents the greatest documentaries on Counter-Strike strategies!
Thank you, mahone!
I think it would've been nice if you had shown that Ts can still throw a car smoke even if you do kind of hint at the fact it is still possible (the one thrown as Ts leave their spawn) Otherwise an amazing video the time and effort really shows :)
Amazing job once again. What's the next one?
I’m just happy to know you’re alive
i was waiting for so long for a new video
that makes two of us
btw u & 'corner' XD r killing it at blast, hell ya
Sylvester Mahone always comes back with the goods
U are the top comment in his last video lol
Nice pfp :3
great video and obviously a ton of patience and dedication to do this much research and tell a compelling storyline. well done
voo how are you?
^ This. The research alone is amazing, but turning that into a compelling narrative, along with the visual demonstrations of line ups, models, etc is amazing. What dedication.
Stats are for losers.
@@aimlevelsure all aim no brain i guess
“Counter” strike in the truest sense. The amount of patience, analysis and work to compile something like this is absolutely amazing. Thank you for your contributions to the community with these videos, Mahone. These will go down as some of the most iconic videos in the times to come.
8:03 Of course KQLY is ready for the first time the boost was used in an official
KQLY hacking?
Noooo
KQLY hacking?
Noooooooo
Srsly? Nooooooo ...
Very strange
Its just insane how fragile all of those strats are. One small change to the game and so many strats don't work anymore and the whole meta changes.
Yeah. A single addition of a box or a corner somewhere in a map can drastically affect the entire map's meta and optimal positions
It’s one of my favorite parts of watching esports, watching as people adapt and find new ways of problem solving is the most interesting part of the game
This video is INSANE. Extremely detailed. Can't even begin to imagine the amount of research that went into this. % of put out smoke alone is insane.
Just to nitpick, the only thing I would've added was the CT-T side winrate to show how each variation increased the winrate starting from quite CT-sided in 2012 to the slightly T-sided version we ended up with in 2023.
Thanks so much!
I had looked into adding in the CT/T win-rate, but I found that the results had little relation to who was winning the fight at banana. This was likely because both sides were also developing ways to fight/defend at A as well. If I developed a way to measure the win-rate at only banana, I would have added it in for sure.
I wouldn’t mind a video a year if they’re at this level of quality. Super informative and insightful, and I probably don’t need to tell you you’re an extremely gifted analyst. Great video man
for real, the amount of time and work that went into making this is clear as day to see and it's so enjoyable to watch
Another world class mini documentary about CS and its evolution, fantastic work Mahone!
From the mirage window to banana meta, you’ve done excellent work here. Please keep uploading, we need you back
i can only fathom the amount of prep and research was immense on this. insanely well done and crafted beautifully
mahone with another masterpiece, what a gem for the scene
Thank you so much for making vids showing the depth of strategy evolution
It's what makes counter-strike such an intriguing game, and it deserves to be documented
really great look back at not just inferno and banana but also how the game's changed over the years. completely forgot that the molotovs use to be so expensive or that you couldn't even extinguish them with smokes at one point. fantastic work man
Oh shit another banger documentary
It's really interesting to see how it got increasingly complex.
I also love seeing a detailed breakdown of all the metas I have gone through, somewhat nostalgic.
A mahone banger was not what I expected to see on my front page this morning!
Enthralling video. I didn't realize that the game had such a back and fourth utility battle for YEARS.
Well polished, thoughtfully researched, and something for every level of Counter-Strike fan. Thank you for all the hard work you put into these videos and bravo on finishing this gargantuan documentation.
This is insanely good material - very very well researched and the narrative building around the changing meta flowed really well. It's crazy to see how deep the tactics go and the constant game of finding counters(trike) is fascinating.
Mahone's the kind of guy to drop such top tier videos out of nowhere. Excited to watch this one!
amazing amount of research and every bit of it very well explained. Love this even more than the window smoke one for the focus on the strategy. Terrific work, man!
Possibly the best cs video ive ever seen, the full history explained and how it evolved and how faster the evolution gets each time. Amazing to think, fantastic video
would love to see more of these videos, it was a pleasure to watch and you are one of the few people that have the ability to to make videos like these
Amazing video, can only imagine how long it took and the dedication to create it all beautiful. Can't wait for your next one
Hell yeah, A1 video mahone, honestly probably my favorite of yours! Super well scripted, edited, researched and shot. Can't imagine how long it must've taken to gather all that data and footage but the end result is really amazing. Keep doing what you do, by far my favorite cs content creator!
It’s impressive that how I can see the history of Banana control over 20 years in this video. Appreciated your efforts!
Finally another banger. MAHONE PLEASE KEEP MAKING THESE THIS IS SUCH A GREAT GAP IN THE MARKET1!!!
this and the mirage smoke video are my favorite cs videos on youtube. Props to all the work you put into this masterpiece
Loved the mirage window smoke video, and this one tops even that! Keep em coming mahone
Love your videos man. Keep it up. I will watch every one of them because they are so high quality.
I can't imagine how much work was involved in researching this. Great job dude.
This was a pleasant surprise to see you back with another “Evolution” series video. I just hope the community gives you enough love this time to encourage you to keep making them. Thank you!
What an amazing analysis of the meta shift of an iconic cs area.. Great work!
This is so well done and really gives a great overview of the overarching tactical approaches
I don’t usually comment on videos, but I’m commenting here so I can boost the videos engagement rate and hopefully the algorithm will blast this to everyone. Great content, keep it up at whatever pace works for you!
awesome video, you did great showing the evolution of this one area, how strats changed over time both what was working and who adapted as well as valve changes that mixed up strats
I remember a conversation where Moses (caster/analyst/coach) told a story about a conversation he had with stewie when he was the coach of Liquid, where stewie broke down how complex banana control was and all the different nadesets and how they interact and what they mean. Was very cool to see this part of the game broken down so well, amazing work!
Bro great video make more like this I subscribed, it's fun to see the history of a tactic and how they evolved 👍
fantastic video--very well researched. A lot of these old matches bring back memories
Man i cant imagine how much work you put in to make this video. Just exceptionally excellent video!
Mahone you are one of the greatest to ever document Counter Strike history. We are blessed as a community to have you create such pieces for us. Another amazing video.
Appreciate it, thank you!
Really hope you keep making these videos, some of the best cs focused content ever
These 32 minutes just flew by and im grateful for you for making this sublime analysis.
Very well done, dude! Danke fur patience and time you'd spend to make this informative video!
Your CS content is always worth the wait!
I love this so much!!! Super high quality document always make me jump on the chair.
The key thing I love about these videos is the mindset behind it. Newer player like me never understand fully why players do some lineup instead of the others. The history cut down seriously creates newer players with better aim but weaker mindset and game sense and it happens in every game.
I'm glad you still working on great content like this!
i haven't played cs for years, but this video is fascinating. great work on all the research i'm sure this must have taken!
This was extremely well done and informative while being simple to understand AND entertaining! Amazing job on this!
Thanks so much!
Huge respect for the work done!
Keep doing these videos man they are fantastic.
I didnt even realize youve recently only made two.
I think you found your niche brother.
Such an awesome video, it really showcases just why we love counter strike so much. Great work man, seriously!
a very well put-together video essay 10/10
I think I've said it before in your other videos but this might be the best video you've ever made! It's just pure quality.
such a banger of a video
Very well made video, As someone who has played since early 2014 it was good to see how the meta has changed & also a bit of nostalgia about teams having a gentleman agreement to not use molotovs early on haha
This video is masterpiece. I had so much fun watching it. Thank you!
Loved this video man, thanks for all the work that you put into this.
PLEASE MAKE MORE OF THESE, IT MAKES IT SO MUCH EASIER TO CONVINCE PEOPLE HOW DEEP THIS AWESOME GAME IS
This video is better than your Mirage window-smoke video, which REALLY says a lot
Both videos are in my top10 of best Counter-Strike videos ever made
Not only was this informative, it serves as a trip down memory lane for those of us who have been actively following the meta for many many years
Just phenomenal work - Words can hardly describe it!
One tiny note:
The reason the car for Ts had a sudden rise in popularity towards the later stages of CS:GO was the invention of the "NiKo-smoke".
It was a way to throw the car smoke where it left a one-way gap on the right side (halfwall) to play around.
The T could simply walk through if no one was playing sandbags and would have one-way advantage on any reaggressing CTs.
The smoke rose in popularity further when a sort of "Reverse NiKo-smoke" was found, which left a one-way gap on top of the barrels.
- These two smokes allowed Ts to block the early CT vision whilst also giving themselves a way to lurk through the smoke.
Hey Nato, thanks for that. I'm very glad to hear you enjoyed both of these videos so much.
To touch on your note, I did notice this detail but I decided not include it in the video. I felt this particular aspect of the smoke didn't create as big of a shift in the "banana fight" in comparison to simply blocking early CT vision. I made a similar decision for the CT 1-way smoke next to the wagon on the old Inferno, as I viewed both of these as smaller interactions that didn't affect the "entirety" of banana control as much.
I admit that crafting the narrative for this video was very difficult, and maybe I should have included that detail in. I made some hard decisions about what to include & what not to, based on what I thought would be most important to pack into a ~30min video (I did not want to go longer than this). Next time will be better!
@@mahone_tvThat makes perfect sense and I understand sacrifices have to be made with videos like this sometimes
Just wanted to add that extra perspective for anyone who didn’t know it
I am sure that next one will be even better as you said but you should not feel in any way, shape or form that this was not a master class 😍
Now this is the kind of history video I want! Great vid 🙌
Thank you so much for compiling history 🤝❤
You're so talented damnn
new mahone video 💣
Dude. It is clear that you did a lot of work on this video.
Amazing job!
That feeling when you know you've been needing something but you didn't know what. Turns out it was a Mahone vid! Absolute banger!
that was surprisingly interesting. crazy just how much of counter strikes complex strategy lies in the nades
I love these kind of evolution videos. Keep making them, makes a casual player like me better enjoy the pro scene.
Absolute Masterpiece! Thanks for this great analysis, history and teaching!
Really nice video that actually shows how complicated CS really is. Well done.
absolutely loved this. beautiful work!
Thanks for the video mahone, really found it entertaining and enjoyable
This video is absolutely awesome from beginning to end !
Great video... That logs pixelwalk gave me so much nostalgia
bro, this is a tons of job, appreciate this, ty for video! Very interesting for watching
How... Just how did you even make this video, im actually blown away, the level of research + high production quality is insane!
These videos must take so much time and effort, but holy shit they are on a different level.
Your analytical ability is truly impressive. Not many people ever reach this level.
Banana utility summed up: "I'm gonna do this to stop this" "Nuh uh, I'm gonna do this to stop this" "NUH UH, I'm gonna do this to stop this" X40
Great content ❤❤❤
Its funny how a map got only one update in 10 years but the meta evolves so fast
Great video, we need more!
Incredible video. This is a great idea for a series that can last for years.
When I see your graphics all I can think about is chess. How this counters this and how this other thing nullifies the counter. It's beautiful!
A while ago I was discussing how cool it would be to have a meta history for a map, and here you go delivering the great content! Considering you didn't cover less popular tactics eg the astralis push (mid+banana push, 2 mollies burning down bottom of banana & mid + support flashes), and still the video is 30min long, I guess this already was colossal work! Hope we'll see more!
Edit: you even shared sources what a goat
You are a legend! Amazing video, with great documentation as well.
You could get help from devs and create an online playbook with pro utility, with info like effectiveness, usage per game, or even user curated info, like insights on when to use or what are the pros and cons of each piece.
Let’s go new mahone video and its a godtier one 💪🏻
This is an amazing video, thank you for making it.
Great content! Enjoyed it very much!
Only thing missing in my opinion in the update that made it possible to drop smokes for other players, which led to some teams just stacking smokes and other nades at the B site.
Really good video, you deserve more recognition for this
incredible video i can't imagine the research and clip compilation time this took
Enjoyed this one as much as mirage, great video! I know dust 2 is not played, but still would like to see mid controll vid on that someday. Thanks! ❤
Absolute banger. Love watching these kinds of videos.
Geez. That's a huge amount of research. Good job
Lets go dude been waiting for this one! earned my sub
This is awesome, sub'ed id love to see a version of this for other common spots
thanks for making this, this is incredible
Need more of this insane level of content
I love this and mirage window video. I hope you will be still doing so great job an I hope that next video will be about dust II long.
Thank you for the video!
The most in depth video ever dude awesome stuff
This is scholarly work imo. Thank you for this.