absolutely adore this breakdown and how easy it was to follow such nebulous concepts as rotation and information control i love how this also reflects back on the current meta where even in a 5v4 cts still want map control advantage for info because they know t executes, trading, and afterplants are so refined that without info to make the correct rotation cts can get shut out, it seems that on inferno navi prefer to punish these info plays more towards mid... perhaps since its easier for the ts to isolate 1v1s either at long or short and more difficult/uncommon for cts to coordinate plays rather than take the 1v1 or fall back (at least compared to banana) mahone videos dont just give you different plays to make, but they make you think more critically about your decision making, and come up with solutions based on understanding how the opponents will react to the state of the round best cs yter hands down
sick video, I am convinced this level of cs content will raise the bar for youtube cs content. Finding patterns a team follows must be harder than copypasting a set strategy with commentary.
Love the concept. Just to add one thing, the amount of firepower that Navi have right now, with s1mple being at top form, and electronic and b1t being world class riflers, helps win these duels, that other teams just wouldn't. Navi has always appeared to be a systematic team, meaning that if one thing in the system goes wrong, everything else will most likely fail. Before b1t arrived, Navi had joke t sides, as Flamie just wasn't putting up the numbers. Yet when b1t came in, Navi pieced everything together. If you watch Navi games, even when Electronic is playing down, he still manages to have high impact as he is the best player at creating space, and gathering solid info in the world; in part to his game sense and his fragging ability. This allows s1mple to be activated, and without Electronic, s1mple wouldn't be the same player. All this ties together in strats like this working, and basically any other team at this moment wouldn't be able to pull this strat off.
your demo reviews are always so nice to watch. your voice is relaxing and the way you explain things is fantastic. absolutely love your content i sub to you
Great video! Electronic is amazing for winning the duels against awp in brackets, but that was only possible because opponents were pressured to make an information play like you described. Tactics + skill.
Honestly what I'm seeing in this videos is CT forcing aggression, especially uncoordinated types, despite having a 5v4 advantage. In almost all these cases, the first CT to die is picked off in an angle where they committed to a fight rather than playing for info or setting up crossfires. Isn't the A site usually a strong CT site given how many crossfires teams can set up? NaVi didn't use too much utility in these clips to take A after taking brackets. Instead they're allowed to creep up on people lane, or long, and take 1v1 duels where the CTs are throwing their life since they do not have faith in their site holds. Could it be argued that in these cases, it's NaVi punishing bad CT plays by instantly committing to a site (generally A) as soon as they lose the first guy, and the CTs not anticipating it and thinking it's still a default?
Appreciate the comment! Those are good points, there are many ways to interpret this. I believe this comes down to not having enough information/map control because of the fear of a B hit rather than an A hit. Imagine being the CTs where you're in a situation that you give up mid brackets + banana + long/even CT spawn. If the Ts hit B either through just a straight exec or a B split through CT, the CTs at A cannot impact the round despite being up in a 5v4. The other point you raised about uncoordinated reaggression, you are correct as perhaps using a flash or two would have been a lot better. If we consider the option of dedicating more than 1 player to reaggressing for information, that can open up other holes in the setup, or even create a worse situation where potentially the Ts hold for that aggression and turn the 5v4 into a 3v4. Risk/reward is the main consideration, if there's only 1 person aggressing, then the worst that could happen is a 4v4 with some information gained about what the Ts might be doing. The best that can happen is that the 1 person clears map control, maintains the 5v4, AND has information gained about what the Ts might be doing. I think what's more impressive here is that NaVi have not only setup this situation, but also know how to capitalize on it fully by following through with the hit and trading effectively. Not all teams can do this.
@@mahone_tv thanks for replying, it's always good insight hearing from you. I'm no pro, but you're very inspirational and make me want to make videos like this as well!
Just curious, a while ago, I think even before you joined Nip, you said Navi seemed like a team that didn't agree on how they wanted to play/see CS. What in particular do you think has changed since?
what u mean? u mean mahone back then didnt agree with navi play style? well i dont like navi either but since they r the best team right now, all egos have to step aside and maybe learn and analyze from it
Obviously probably more to it, but I think one thing that's noticeable is that they're a lot quicker in reacting together (either pushing together or falling back together) as a team, where maybe before they didn't do this so much.
absolutely adore this breakdown and how easy it was to follow such nebulous concepts as rotation and information control
i love how this also reflects back on the current meta where even in a 5v4 cts still want map control advantage for info because they know t executes, trading, and afterplants are so refined that without info to make the correct rotation cts can get shut out, it seems that on inferno navi prefer to punish these info plays more towards mid... perhaps since its easier for the ts to isolate 1v1s either at long or short and more difficult/uncommon for cts to coordinate plays rather than take the 1v1 or fall back (at least compared to banana)
mahone videos dont just give you different plays to make, but they make you think more critically about your decision making, and come up with solutions based on understanding how the opponents will react to the state of the round
best cs yter hands down
Huge compliment, thank you so much!
sick video, I am convinced this level of cs content will raise the bar for youtube cs content. Finding patterns a team follows must be harder than copypasting a set strategy with commentary.
Love the concept. Just to add one thing, the amount of firepower that Navi have right now, with s1mple being at top form, and electronic and b1t being world class riflers, helps win these duels, that other teams just wouldn't. Navi has always appeared to be a systematic team, meaning that if one thing in the system goes wrong, everything else will most likely fail. Before b1t arrived, Navi had joke t sides, as Flamie just wasn't putting up the numbers. Yet when b1t came in, Navi pieced everything together. If you watch Navi games, even when Electronic is playing down, he still manages to have high impact as he is the best player at creating space, and gathering solid info in the world; in part to his game sense and his fragging ability. This allows s1mple to be activated, and without Electronic, s1mple wouldn't be the same player. All this ties together in strats like this working, and basically any other team at this moment wouldn't be able to pull this strat off.
your demo reviews are always so nice to watch. your voice is relaxing and the way you explain things is fantastic. absolutely love your content i sub to you
Great video! Electronic is amazing for winning the duels against awp in brackets, but that was only possible because opponents were pressured to make an information play like you described. Tactics + skill.
Welcome back! We are miss u
Love the depth and insight 👌
Best of luck on the new squad!
Top notch content! Its amazing how simple and easy NaVi make this look
Note to myself:
-First step : make sure to lose a player early so you can be in a 4v5
-Second : win the round
Such a great breakdown, and well explained! Great examples, thank you for another great video :)
Honestly what I'm seeing in this videos is CT forcing aggression, especially uncoordinated types, despite having a 5v4 advantage. In almost all these cases, the first CT to die is picked off in an angle where they committed to a fight rather than playing for info or setting up crossfires. Isn't the A site usually a strong CT site given how many crossfires teams can set up? NaVi didn't use too much utility in these clips to take A after taking brackets. Instead they're allowed to creep up on people lane, or long, and take 1v1 duels where the CTs are throwing their life since they do not have faith in their site holds. Could it be argued that in these cases, it's NaVi punishing bad CT plays by instantly committing to a site (generally A) as soon as they lose the first guy, and the CTs not anticipating it and thinking it's still a default?
Appreciate the comment! Those are good points, there are many ways to interpret this. I believe this comes down to not having enough information/map control because of the fear of a B hit rather than an A hit. Imagine being the CTs where you're in a situation that you give up mid brackets + banana + long/even CT spawn. If the Ts hit B either through just a straight exec or a B split through CT, the CTs at A cannot impact the round despite being up in a 5v4.
The other point you raised about uncoordinated reaggression, you are correct as perhaps using a flash or two would have been a lot better. If we consider the option of dedicating more than 1 player to reaggressing for information, that can open up other holes in the setup, or even create a worse situation where potentially the Ts hold for that aggression and turn the 5v4 into a 3v4. Risk/reward is the main consideration, if there's only 1 person aggressing, then the worst that could happen is a 4v4 with some information gained about what the Ts might be doing. The best that can happen is that the 1 person clears map control, maintains the 5v4, AND has information gained about what the Ts might be doing. I think what's more impressive here is that NaVi have not only setup this situation, but also know how to capitalize on it fully by following through with the hit and trading effectively. Not all teams can do this.
@@mahone_tv thanks for replying, it's always good insight hearing from you. I'm no pro, but you're very inspirational and make me want to make videos like this as well!
mahone back to making vids again! :O
How do people become analysts man... Seems like such a cool job!
Post videos on youtube would be a good start. Otherwise you could go pro or something.
One of your best videos no kizzy man
Great video! Btw, what program did you use for the 2D map overview?
Noesis!
So much juicy content, 2 videos in 5 days, This is a dream come true
this is the content we need
Just curious, a while ago, I think even before you joined Nip, you said Navi seemed like a team that didn't agree on how they wanted to play/see CS. What in particular do you think has changed since?
what u mean? u mean mahone back then didnt agree with navi play style? well i dont like navi either but since they r the best team right now, all egos have to step aside and maybe learn and analyze from it
they finally agreed on something obv
those indecisive, running out of time cl_brain 0 T rounds are gone now
Obviously probably more to it, but I think one thing that's noticeable is that they're a lot quicker in reacting together (either pushing together or falling back together) as a team, where maybe before they didn't do this so much.
@@mahone_tv they script the t sides heavily . They have a plan for most situations
in short, bit and electronic are absolutely insane.
Do you think teams would watch this kind of analysis and immediately counter strat?
Yes if they are able to spot it in the prep, absolutely
Thanks coach!
banger video
nice thumbnails mr mahone
amazing content!
didn’t see u for a while
great content
Noice will use ty
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2 vids in a week woohoo
I've always said that map control is more worth than a player alive
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When it's 4v5 just go A
now im ready when ill face navi haha
Why the F NAVI has russian flag Man?)
first and idc