The Biggest Reason for Failure When Growing Tomatoes!
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- The biggest reason gardeners fail when growing tomatoes is not the type of fertilizer you use or what type of mulch you use. It's also not some type of pest control program that you use.
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That is absolutely true with the big box stores. It's not only the vegetable plants that they're selling that aren't compatible with our climate. The big culprit is the stone fruit and other fruit trees that they sell in Southern California they need way more chill hours than we get in our best year. It's really sad.
Yeah here in WA a certain hardware store sell us Elberta Peach trees. We have to fight lead curl here so we need a no curl variety. I get your pain.
A lot of the time they don't say if you need a pollinator. I am guilty of impulse- buying a good mark-down and then looking up the tree after I got home.
Bom dia meu nobre! Ótimo conteúdo
I agree 100% , in North Florida the sun and humidity wreck tomato plants , there are only a couple that really thrive . I try new types every year and waste lots of money and effort , but you see a nice picture in the seed catalog and want to give it a try .
Which ones have worked for you?
I have done well with Florida 91
@@centralscrutinizer76 I ordered some seeds last night👌
I like that you’re not afraid to call nonsense-nonsense!
I’ve gardened for many years and it was not until I watched you on the other channel that I really had incredible yields because I starting purchasing the best heat tolerant recommendations. I’m usually overrun with tomatoes and can them all! Thanks!
What are you growin tnx
You’re so right a couple of days of 40 degrees Celsius and your tomatoes are toast.
Down here in central florida, i can start determinant tomatoes in september. And because the cooler weather I get tomatoes until april. Additionally, if I plant the suckers, then I can have a perpetual chain of growth and production. Mine have better flavor than the grocery stores because I pick them when they're ripe. I think it's important for people to know there's always alternate growing styles.
My tomatoes got hit with early blight last year in mid June (Oklahoma 7b) . One day they were fine, the next they looked dead. Still produced, but cherrys were tough and flavor off. Red snappers were affected also, but produced. I think because of the blight the plants were also attacked by striped cucumber bugs, which ate holes in the fruit. This year I am putting shade cloth on early to see if it will help keep the plants healthier. I look at the beautiful plants that MI Gardener has (mine never look that good) and think the south is not ideal for tomatoes. Thanks for all you knowledge Travis. You are very helpful.
My fav garden teacher and the competition is tough.
Red snapper and Roadster grew great in 7A. I bought seeds from yall last year and extra seeds again in September Great germination rate from Lazy Dog Farm seeds! 👊🏼💯
I'm in Florida, zone 9b, and I only grow indeterminate tomatoes. None of them die on me during the summer. One heirloom variety, Thessaloniki, even keeps flowering and fruiting while it's in the upper 90s (°F).
As for handling three and a half seasons of growth, I custom built a hurricane-proof tomato trellis system that accommodates it just fine. One of my personal varieties reached approximately 10 feet last year.
Another note about the Thessaloniki: it held on even after the first frost. It didn't finally die until the record snowstorm when it reached 22°F. I picked the last two fruits from it on January 17, 2025.
First time growing tomatoes this year! Thank you for making this video! ❤🌱
Good morning, from Southern California. I just happen to catch your video yesterday and watched it this morning. I definitely like your information. Will watch what I plant this year. Always thought it was just me😂 Thanks
Perfectly timed video Travis! I agree with your synopsis of "variety" is one of the most important decisions for home gardeners. Those seed catalogues start coming in the mail and EVERY tomato looks like one of those Hollywood Models in the fruit stand. I went crazy one year and started about eighteen different varieties. Then suddenly realized I only had enough room in the garden for about ten. I'm always looking for the BEST salsa tomato. The best sauce tomato. The best eating tomato. The best eating cucumber. The best canning cucumber... Next thing you know, you're having to bring in more planters (in the city), and finally you add your homemade Lowe's bucket container gardens to supplement all those plants.
I garden now to make preserves, and pickles, and can my own salsa and sauces, and experiment with my family and neighbors.
Same with the figs and jams and jellies.
Thanks for giving us the run down on your tomato varieties.
God bless.
I'm in zone 9 and love the Bella Rosa determinate, sugar rush orange cherry tomatoes and I am still experimenting to find a favorite indeterminate variety 🍅
I grow Bella Rosa too along with Phoenix
I plant determinate because they are easy to control and I like to get a big flush of fruit at once (allows for one or two big canning sessions instead of a bunch). I seed start determinates in late February (zone 6b). As soon as I plant them out in May, I start another set of seeds. As soon as the first batch produce their big flush of fruits, I remove them and plant out the second set. I get two big tomato flushes a year and they’re easy to manage.
Starting all my Indeterm. In ground-in a pop up greenhouse by Mar 15 a full month ahead of time.. will be done by the end of June.. setting fruit in early May! In the Southern heat! Sometimes you have to cheat to win! Zone 8..
Are you starting them there or transplanting then? I'm considering doing that as well. Zone 7b forsyth cty ga😊
Remember zones don't matter for annuals. It's all about first and last frost dates, soil temps etc. zones are for perennials. Also if you get started indoors, you can get started a lot sooner. I start here in WA generally in late February to mid March. I can't plant them outside until May most years but sometimes April. Last year sucked as it took forever to warm up.
My strategy w/ Indeterminates is ... chop-trim-pinch til they bush out. They can take it w/ long lifespan. Why you'd let vines run wild cd only be horticultural curiosity. Nice as back-up w/ beloved Determinates or into a warm garage for winter. A few handle both heat & cold despite the vine trimming.
Last year we tried growing our tomato plants via a double leader. Mixed results and some failures. A lot due to our mistakes. Will be doing again this year and we are positive that our results will prove worth the effort!
I’m always thankful for your wisdom. I started growing Red Snapper because of your recommendation and LOVE the reliability of it. It’s that first BIG tomato for us and the variety I use for canning the Tom’s for winter soups and chili.
Juliette and Grandero for roasting with all of the good Italian flavor components to either dehydrate or freeze.
lol, now of course I grow others 😂
OP/heirlooms
Redorta is reliable for a paste tomato…it’s large!
Bobbie was a productive OxHeart.
Looking for a Sun Gold alternative.
Very interested in the Turkey Creek-KY. We’re at the southern tip of Ohio and it might work here.
Excited to hear your rundown on this seasons faves!
Every variety you have recommended I bought and they did the best out of everything else I’ve tried 😊
Good presentation! I am always trying some new tomatoes! Sometimes new ones don’t produce for me even though some catalogs say different!
I'm near Dallas and I grow mostly determinate varieties look for heat tolerant varieties like Phoenix, Bella Rosa, Red Snapper etc
I lived in Virginia most years and could grow any variety of tomatoes
I live in Plano. I didn't have any luck with Bella Rosa. I need to try Phoenix and red snapper next year. I can a lot of tomatoes and my San Marzano did surprisingly well. I do have a problem with spider mites.
@@jerrybessetteDIY i started spraying my stuff with Surround kaolin clay. I use it on fruit trees and veggies. It helped me a lot.
What a great video! I am in 9b and found your advice super useful. That being said. I watched this video today and not back in December so I've got a whole bunch of indeterminates ready for this year😅 wish me luck
Been struggling growing in SC that used to be my best producers in CA. The temp was hotter in CA vs SC. But so much more humid. Will have to switch it up this year
I have found there are a lot more determinate varieties that can take the GA summer heat, than indeterminate. Succession planting with shade cloth covering the plants helps (in addition to heat tolerant varieties of determinate 'maters). Heat still affects 2nd planting, but you can often make it work. Bella Rosa, Red Snapper, Florida 91 are some I grow every year (Zone 8a McDonough, GA with 8b about 500' down the street, not sure why we are 8a, but we are). Starting my first round of plants from seed on Monday. Oh, and we have to have at least one Sun Gold or Sun Sugar plant - if you know, you know!
Do you start by seed in garden or going to transplant? Tnx
@@jSheapullen Start indoors. I bought a 14"x30"x60" metal wire kitchen rolling rack and made a seed starting center out of it. Tomatoes, eggplant and peppers being planted on Monday into 24 cell seed flats. I will direct seed english peas outside also. Potatoes already in grow bags outside. Onions and shallots planted in November all in raised 17" metal beds
Yeah I'm gonna try shade cloth this year because even the heat tolerant varieties burn up here in Texas
You're totally correct, I live right next door to you in Alabama and in the same zone and I have the same results with tomatoes as you do and the humidity in the heat the same problems that you have. I enjoyed watching you experiment with different varieties especially the hybrids because it gives me ideas but I also every year grew my Cherokee purples they're not very productive so I have to plan a lot of seed starting this month in February indoors but boy do they make a good sandwich.😅😅. I will be keeping my eye open on how you do with the Cherokee carbon if it works for you I'll try it next season I'll have my fingers crossed because like I said the Cherokee purple they're not productive but they sure do taste good we just have to plan a whole bunch of them
I planted your Red Snapper and BHN 871 last year with success. Getting those again and also trying your Cherokee Carbon.
My problem is increasingly the heat. I still had cherry tomatoes in November last years. Tomatoes originated in the Peruvian mountains - not in intense heat. I've begun growing tomatoes, pepper and eggplant in partial shade with zero problem (zone 7b). I use LOTS of mulch, water regularly and pick before totally ripening (they sit on the kitchen table until perfect). The variety has never been a factor -= Ukrainian, Jersey, Black Cherry, Rio Grande, Homestead Floraide, San Marzano - it doesn't matter.
I agree moving from northern Indiana to southern Mississippi and gardening in both states determinates do well for me
Glad I bought some Roadster seeds. First year for those. Still love the Turkey creek. ❤😊
Correct. We are in zone 7 in E TN. I successfully grow all kinds of tomatoes! Determinant, indeterminate, heirloom, open-pollinated, hybrids all do very well here. We generally get 2 very hot humid weeks in a row here but generally, the temperatures and humidity are up and down. The Cherokee Carbon is one of our grow every year favorites too. We have tried and been successful growing any cherry tomato we have planted. However, my husband, who loves tomatoes, insists I can plant just SunGold from now on as it tastes the best. Other very productive tomatoes for us have been Cherokee Purple, Orange Accordion, Thornburn's Terra Cotta, Orange Oxheart, Jersey Devil, Roma VF1, Celebrity, Opalka, Pineapple, Chef's Choice, Hillbilly, Better Boy, Lemon Boy and Oxheart. Yep, pretty much any kind here.
It looks like both Harris Seeds (THANKFS for free shipping) and Osborne Seeds have the Roadster in stock. I did buy some Roadster and other seeds from you last year! Eager to try them here in zone 7a/7b.
I agree with you 💯. Variety is everything! For myself, it took switching from indeterminate to determinate plants. Here in KS, it gets hot here pretty quick in the spring and an early season determinate tomato plant will out produce an indeterminate. My favorite tomatoe for zone 6a is Early girl bush determinate.
Here in Canada, I can get my plants in the ground in mid-late May, and my tomatoes last until frost if they're resistant to late blight, so Mountain Merit which is a late blight resistant determinate outproduces everything. Despite being determinate, it actually keeps producing from late July to the first frost in October. I might give Early Girl a try too.
@Lochness19 I can't really grow any tomatoe after July. Too hot and tons of bugs. Early girl bush is great because it produces early. Sure wouldn't hurt to try them. Good luck.
We are in zone 7B and it does get hotter here. And we do not have the high humidity like you do. We generally plant 15-18 varieties a year. Almost all indeterminant types. Over the years it has been hit and miss as far as production. Now we have about a dozen go to varieties. We also like to try 2-4 new ones a year. Our tomato picking season goes from July until about the first of November! The tomato catalogs and the many varieties can be a bit daunting and well VERY tempting. Thank You for the reminder and one determining what variety works best and worst in a given area!
It was tough coming to the realization that tomatoes don't grow here in the Summer after my lifetime of success all up and down the east coast. But I can get a good crop in the Spring if I start early, feed hard, up pot from start tray to beer cup to 1 gallon pot, and take a chance on setting it out too early. Exactly like I had to do to get a crop in Maine, but at least there I had a 90 day growing season ahead of me. The only indies I grow are cherries. They are way better at setting and holding when things get hot. This year it's Favorita, last couple years Edox. Both have strong nematode resistance so I can grow them in the ground. All others go in bags. Granadero is a semi determinate paste with strong disease resistance. Defiant is my big producing determinate. But I like that Firebird. Pretty fruit.
I will say with shade cloth my(indeterminate )tomatoes just kinda halted a bit mid summer, but by fall they produced like crazy.
I would agree on the varieties (I plant Heirloom only so I am very selective after 45 years) But I also find fungus is a problem
The biggest problem for me is when to plant. Here in zone 10b, Southwest Florida, if you don’t plant in the winter you won’t get many tomatoes. It’s too hot to grow them in the spring and summer. But right now I have about twenty tomatoes plants that are fully loaded and ripening up! I only planted paste tomatoes and two cherries. I have one tomato that is every bit as big as a beefsteak! I’m floored over it! I did have to dig them all up twice last year and replant them after the two hurricanes left us but it was certainly worth the effort. Most of mine are indeterminate. I start them in August and plant them out at the end of September.
My F1 hybrid tomatoes produced 140lbs of tomatoes in a 4x8 bed last season. My heirloom only neighbour got a dozen fruits...
I am Zone 8B Container only. The Brandywines failed miserably. Want a slicer not a football-sized tomato! Indeterminant may not go well unless I can get them going inside to about a foot tall to handle weather. Recommendations welcomed.
I'm in 8b also and the 2 brandywine plants I had were my best ones. Overall, none of them did well tho.
@@Rubio_Eric I liked this tomato but my 8B comes with temp range from 19 to 110 humidities
Excellent informative video Travis. Really appreciate you, Sir! Gonna try five 5 gallon containers to grow tomatoes here. Also, five 5 gallon containers of cucumbers this year in South Florida, Jensen Beach FL zone 10b. Haven't even ordered seeds yet. I might be kind of late.
Thanks.
Chuck.
If you are going to grow in 5 gallon containers, you may want to try the new dwarf tomatoes like Tasmanian Chocolate. They come in all shapes and sized and only grow about half the size of regular tomatoes. They have indeterminate and determinate varieties.
I like the flavor of Summer Pick much better than Red Snapper. Summer Pick is my preferred canning tomato which you turned me on to several years ago.
After testing last summer, my 2025 tomatoes are started indoors now.
I have Red Snapper, Hossinator, and Roadster, and the first crop is already 2" tall.
If you are in the south those three varieties are hard to beat. The only other I would add is Florida 91.
Take a look at some of the open pollinated/heirloom varieties that were bred for hot and humid climates years ago like Marglobe, Bradley and Atkinson.
Oklahoma zone 7 must be way different than other zone 7s. Tomato season is short here, too. We are mostly in the 90s from June to September and its not uncommon to have many days in the 100s. As soon as thr spring rains stop (which coincides with tornado season) we start to go into a drought all summer. I hear people say they cut back their indeterminates after it quits producing and when we get cooler weather and rain in the fall they will produce again. I havent been able to keep a tomato plant alive through summer. And going from 90s in September and freezes start in October or November, it's not much time to get them to produce.
Thank you for sharing this greatness🎉🎉🎉🎉
Got my seeds this week from you
Love those Turkey creek tomatoes
I think nighttime low temps make a big difference. If it doesn't cool off indeterminates suffer and die. I'm in VA zone 7 and a lot depends on the weather each year.
The stink bugs and leaf footed bugs wipe me out every year. Got any tips on handling them?
Travis: Good video I grow Roadster, Red Snapper, Homestead and Florida 91. Since I live in Manatee County, I completely agree with you it's too damn hot for indeterminate tomatoes in our location.
Go Gators
Orange is such an ugly color.
Excellent points.
I’m going with Celebrity Plus for my determinate. Gonna try Chef’s Choice Yellow for my indeterminate. Got them from HOSS.
Knocked it outta the park
👍great video
Too late for me this year, but I will try determinates next year. My biggest problem or fail is spider mites.
If I want tomatoes to can there will be hybrids in my garden. However I like heirlooms so much I trying growing a few every yr, some work out ok and others fail. I know this going in but willing to take the risk.
Im zone 11 , at elevation , but often cloudy and not very hot (max 85 ), but mild and I find tomatoes are really challenging for me . Looking for a variety that would work this seaason
I find it hard to believe that people struggle to grow tomatoes. Its the one fruit that pops up in all my pots to the point i have to pull them up and throw them away
Try Texas. I have grown tomatoes for almost 60 years until I moved to Texas. Plant in early February and they are dead by mid March when it hits 90+ degrees. Tomatoes will not bloom when in the 90's during day time and constant 70+ at night. I have one determinant that does kinda well, but tastes like crap. It still doesn't grow real well. We get 90+ from March to November here. 71f today, 79f tomorrow and already 85f Monday.
Tomatoes are the main thing I haven't had success with. Idk what I've done wrong so many times
I lived in Northeast Florida. My tomatoes would stop producing for July and August. After that they produced like there was no tomorrow. During those 2 mths next to the humid heat was the horn worm. Im now in north Utah. Totally different growing condition. Ive been in my house for over 30 yrs and saw my 1st horn worm. It was no where near any plants, so I took it out. Hope never to see another.
I`m trying Mexico Midget Tomatoes and other tiny varieties in Louisiana this year because my cherry tomatoes (Ground Cherries too) kept producing in the July/August/September heat. Has anyone else tried them? I`ve seen comments about their great flavor. I watered my big tomatoes and kept them alive and they made another crop in November/December and some green ones I brought inside were still ripening in mid January. I let them sprawl in the fall on the ground to make them easy to protect when we get frosts to get a late harvest.
Shouldn’t that be Mexican little people Tomatoes?
I grew Mexico Midget for several years. Its very prolific and will reseed itself to the point of becoming a weed. It tastes great, i just tired of picking all those little tiny tomatoes.
Very nice video
Hope you get better soon. Rest up this weekend.
What would happen with your indeterminate tomatoes if you put shade cloth over top of them?
It will extend the season a little bit. Tried it last year.
I live in Moultrie and started my seeds last week. All the ones I bought from y’all germinated
Stinkbugs. Brown Marmorated stinkbugs are the biggest threat. Second is mockingbirds. Third is placement some heirlooms benefit from more shade than others get a 70 shade cloth. From tifton ga.
I have more issues with leaf-footed bugs than I do those.
I'm in South Carolina, right by Augusta Georgia. I run a market garden. I only grow cherry/cocktail/paste tomatoes. The profit window for slicers is marginal, at best. Travis, did your plants make it through the snow - specifically your celery? I've got some celery starts ready to plant out but i'm paranoid because the literature says they cannot survive past 36 F.
I am in north ga. My covered celery lived. Uncovered slightly died in 19 degrees. But dod well in 3o to 40
Celery made it just fine. Looking really good still.
I had a Black Krim and a Cherokee Purple tomato plant growing in my back yard in Tucson, Arizona. They were direct sown, sprouted, grew, and flourished. Then it got hot. I mean hot! ARIZONA HOT! And dry. It was hot and dry even by our desert standards. But, every day, the plants were moist to the touch. Only problem? No fruit!
Well, not until November! Then we got a large crop, harvesting over a hundred tomatoes right before the killing frost that began our five day winter.
Oh, I hardly ever watered them, either. Back to Eden gardening! Wood chips!
We are in Southern New Mexico not quite as hot as Tucson although plenty hot. Maybe the reason for the no fruit is because you were using to much nitrogen?
@@StephenSachs-z1z I have never given my plants nitrogen.
@@busker153 Just curious as we have seen some that fertilize their tomato plants with a high amount of nitrogen and the plant thrives yet produces no flowers/fruit. Sometimes when it gets really hot here we will see a considerable amount of bloom drop.
@@StephenSachs-z1z I am sure it was the heat, as the plants were just fine otherwise. I don't feed plants anything.
I grow tomatoes in the same climate and tomatoes won’t set fruit if it gets too hot. I am 😢growing mostly determinate tomatoes with exception of a couple of cherry tomatoes and Cherokee Carbon this year.
Travis I have a question. My favorite tomatoes are anything that is very tangy or acidic tasting. Ya the ones that get ya right there behind your jaws. The more the better. I know different varieties have more or less of this taste. And things like soil nutrients and soil types. My question is, do you know what we can feed them to help influence this flavor as well?
Thanks.
Not sure what growing practices will improve acidity. I've always thought it was more of a variety thing.
Biggest problems are polluted earth, water and air, as well as GMO-ed seed stock.
I used to grow amazing tomatoes for 50 years. Last 20 I couldn't grow a single plant if my life depended on it.
There is no GMOed seed stock
Has anyone in the Deep South tried the Heatmaster? My micro-dwarf tomatoes are determinate but what they do is bloom heavily, produce about 30 tomatoes, rest a bit, and after about 15 days they do it again. I take cuttings from them to make new plants and also have very old plants I bring inside in winter. Tomato cuttings grow and bloom fast. If only a couple of your tomatoes grow well use the suckers to make a whole patch. If they`re in a pot and it`s too hot outside to set fruit bring it in under lights in the cool air conditioning and help it set fruit then put it back outside to ripen them.
I'm in NE Texas and tried heatmaster last year. It was still too hot for them. I'm going to try putting them in the ground earlier this year and use thicker shade cloths.
In your opinion what is the best tasting sandwich tomato
That Turkey Creek variety we carry is pretty tough to beat. But it's an heirloom, so not necessarily a top producer. The flavor is phenomenal though.
Help! I need that Florida Weave video. There wasn't a link 😢
I was looking at firebird, they are pricey!
Planting zone says nothing about summer temperatures. It's about minimum winter temperatures, and the two aren't necessarily correlated. Someone in zone 8 in the Pacific Northwest would find the comments about heat here fairly unrelatable.
Temperatures here in Northwest Arkansas are pretty comparable to what you have, at least at the peak of summer (much colder in winter). I don't have the same experience you're having, and suspect other factors are at play than just the heat. That said, while I do grow some every year tomatoes aren't really a big focus in my garden.
As someone else mentioned, maybe night time lows are a factor. Here in the Florida panhandle ( zone 9a) my indeterminates suffer some when daytime highs get into mid 90 ‘s but they don’t start dying back until nighttime lows are higher as well.
@@scotttaranto7870 Thanks for the response. While that is a possibility, I'm still a little skeptical. There's a site called WeatherSpark that will allow you to compare climate data between different locations, and at least on mid-summer temperatures there's just not a lot of difference between, say, Fayetteville, Arkansas and Moultrie, Georgia.
I suspect the real culprit is mostly a difference in disease susceptibility, due both to environment and variety selections. It's more humid in Travis's area during the summer for sure, and he has a longer growing season (my tomatoes won't go out until May and take frost in October). That gives more time and more favorable conditions for diseases to propagate. There may also be a bias introduced in the way he selects his plants. For his determinates, he's probably selecting varieties that have been bred for genetic disease resistance. When he grows indeterminates, it's probably because he wants to try an heirloom variety that lacks those characteristics.
Ever grow campari tomatoes? Its the one that did the best last year. But im in mid Atlantic sand
Have you ever grown micro draft tomato’s? If so do you have a recommendation? I live in zone 6
I haven't.
Try Better Boys for the South Georgia Area😮😊
Totally Tomatoes has Roadster according to their web site.
Did you ever grow peanuts?
It's been a couple years, but I did grow some.
I thought anybody could grow tomatoes.
10 baskets full of average tasting tomatoes isn’t success to me. I’d rather have 40 plants that put off 2-3 amazing tasting/looking tomatoes each.
You did talk about this a little bit. Could you go into further detail? It's about electroculture. Do I waste my money investing in it?
Use to follow one couple that was ultra big on electroculture. Personally do not believe all the hype. Then maybe others with REAL experience might share the pros and the cons of electroculture!
@@StephenSachs-z1zi took horticulture classes in college years ago and my professor did say having metal in garden does help but mainly during thunderstorms. Plus thunderstorms throw a lot of nitrogen in the rains. I think some is just folklore
@@beverlyboyce1041 We might have maybe one thunderstorm a year here and it is generally a short one. So no reason and investing in electroculture in our opinion. I do agree and most likely some folklore!
Maine even cold season maybe start mid march
Take off your sunglasses for the video. Show some respect for your audience.
I'm showing respect for my eyes by wearing them.
@@LazyDogFarm the sun is behind you in the video lol
Lol
Get to the point