COULD THIS BE THE WORST ENGINE I'VE EVER SEEN?!
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That engine has been knocking away like a batchelor without a girlfriend for a long time. Extended service levels, boad of lollocks
When you stick to BMWs killer servicing schedule... that engine is destined for the scrap
I called my dealer the other day to ask how much it’d cost to get various fluids changed (transmission, differentials, transfer case) and as these are “lifetime” they will not replace them!
@@bck0001absolute bollocks especially when ZF for example who manufacture the gearboxes specify a service interval.
Crazy thing is that the diffs for example are neither hard nor expensive to change the fluid on. 🤦♂️
@@samcourt6228 exactly yeah, I mentioned the ZF change intervals to the advisor and he said “I hear you, and you can take the risk and have someone else do it”, very bizarre especially when I’m the one wanting to pay them to do the job. Maybe this is just BMW North America trying to drive sales when their vehicles break due to neglect.
I’ll DIY or get someone else to do it.
@@bck0001 I think ultimately BMW (and other manufacturers) interpretation of sealed for life is the duration of warranty / the period that a car may by under the AUC scheme.
Ultimately I’s just ignore BMW and take it to an authorised ZF service centre.
It has probably been serviced as per BMW recommendation. As we all know the intervals are far too long.
Right. 25k for my N52. Jezus. I would not exceed 10k with any engine.
If you look at tests done by Speediagnostix, at least the original BMW 0W20 oil from about 2017 is a little bit different from another oil tested that should be a little bit comparable.
Compare the amount of friction reducer and anti wear additives!
So if BMW itself uses original BMW oil, maybe it can last 30,000 km/18,000 miles, but note 24 months. Many suggest once a year and 10-13,000 km/6,000-8,000 miles, which I try to follow.
Is the BMW oil exactly the same as some other marque oil manufacturer? I don't know, it may not be that way nowadays, because anyone can demand any amount of any additive to be used in their oil. Nowadays "everyone" knows which additives must be used and which to avoid, and they also know quite well what it means when a certain amount of a certain additive is used.
I think, I could mix two different oils in my 30d engine. Out of 6.5 litre, I could use 5 litre of a "cheap" 5W30 oil, and add 1.5 litre of some interesting "racing oil" which contents and add "interesting" additives that the cheap oil lacks.
Can Red Bull make their own mixture, then I can do the same... 😁😁😁
I know it’s a minefield out there on reconditioned engines but there must be a way of getting one that will replace this knackered one.I would research and replace.
@@leiflillandt1488I don’t think the 0w20 oils are widely used by BMW Dealers in the UK.
BMW Assist carry 0w30 BMW branded LL04
And even though my car can use 0w20 LL17FE+ no BMW Dealer has ever used it.
It has always had 0w30 LL04
When I do my interim oil and filter changes I use 5w40 LL04
If an oil meets the BMW specs then it’s a high quality oil meeting a difficult to meet spec
So making up your own Frankenstein Oil Brew is pointless.
You can simply run the oil that is used in Europe rather than 0w20 which seems to be the only oil specced by BMW USA
Here's me chuffed with myself replacing my old wiper blades...
Great video.
😂
The cam bearing saddles in the head are probably ruined, as are the cam bearing journals. I would not use that head again.
I kept expecting you to say uuuhhhh… brother uhhhh
😂😂
You should invest into an engine level. I'm sure you've seen them before. It's a steel beam that has an attachment at the top to go onto your engine hoist. Hanging off each side is a chain. In the middle it has what appears to be a long screw. There is a handle at one end and there is a handle at one end and there is a handle at one end and you can turn that handle to lower the engine downwards or have it tilt back. They are very inexpensive and a good part is it would give you that little bit more of getting into the engine compartment of your car. It also helps to point it in the right direction as you are guided it in there. As long as you take care of it it will last a lifetime. Mine is over 40 years old and they still make them the same way today.
As far as the engine I would clean up what you got take it to a machine shop and get their opinion on it. If it's worth saving they can do the work and tell you ahead of time what it will cost.
Looking forward to your next video.
lack of maintenance at its best...I would get a recon at this point at least there is some sort of warranty on it...good luck mate
Goes to show how much neglect it must take to actually kill an engine completely.
Nice bit of scrap lol Crank scrap block scrap whole engine is scrap
Best video by far George….It really shows what happens to a poorly maintained car.
N47D20c runs just as good with or without the knock 😂
@George Austers - George can you measure the distance from the inner back wall (oil pump sprocket face) of the Sump, to the centre point of the Pickup ttube, and the diameter of the pickup tube head at its biggest point and provide the dimensions?
I bieve that despite the failure of the guides, this could have been avoided IF the pickup tube had some protection (like a small cage or metal net surrounding the pickup) then even with the guides failing, the oil starvation could be avoided.
Given how many engines fails due to guides, and in this case even shortly after a chain replacement, I think it's worth looking into making a safety net that can easily be fitted to the pickup before reassembly. This will add a layer of protection by ensuring the pickup doesn't get blocked.
I can come up with a concept but without a spare sump and oil pump assembly it's difficult to speculate on dimensions.
great video george unbelievable how this engine was still running!!
Lack of oil changes, when will people understand don’t leave your engine 20000 miles for a oil change. Do it every 10000 miles at the very most.
6k is more like it, at most stretched to 7k if you're on a longer trip. Anything after that is unnecessary risk.
10k is factory recommendation from BMW (used to be 15k until 2013) but I definitely wouldn't wait that long.
Always up for another rebuild. Let's go!
Lack of oil change, sludged up oil starvation definitely did it, add on top the restrictions in the pick up; I would check the turbo too, turbo is the first thing to go when they start to starve. You need to check the main bearing, all the load would be at the bottom (which it is possible to replace, but not ideal): you need to messure the front and back of each main bearing race to see if it is still cylindrical or conical on each bearing race with a Dial Bore Indicator at three different areas, front and back of the race for each main bearing without the bearing installed. if they're within spec, just replace the bearings and crankshaft
Hiya George. Massive video! And what an unholy mess that N47 is. You are a trooper for putting in the work. Just as a PSA, you and all us BMW enthusiasts would never dream of such resto projects if it weren’t for BMW’s consistent parts support of the community. You’d never think of taking this on with a VW or Audi
Really good video. Really enjoying the videos on this car. Well done George 😊
The Mk1 hand grenade engine! You should patent that. Great video which shows why servicing is so important
Superb Video .. had me hooked to the end 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Awesome content George, as an F30 owner this is really interesting to see. I do 1 year / 8k miles oil changes to hopefully prevent this issue in the future.
6:29 am sure your neighbour can’t wait till you get to the bottom of the garden with all that noise 😅
Haha it’s exactly why the plan is to have the garage away from anyone else
Hi George, have you ever considered seeking a shrink? 😂😂😂
Keep up the good work
Always amazes me how some people can abuse an engine and still keep it running, knocking, burning oil, no oil pressure, one that sticks in my mind, it was an Audi 80 or 100, I was young and never noticed, it was nice, but the guy never looked after it, one day it went bang in a big way, but was still running, rough but running, he ran it until the MOT was due, took the head off, found a rod had snapped, the piston jammed in the bore, it was a 5 cylinder, and he ran it on 4 for months, it could have dropped into the crankshaft at any time, but stayed stuck, sound crap but he just drove it into the ground.
Strange thing is that the oil pressure light wasn’t on with this car
11:36 that shot alone sums up all the so-called issues with that engine, timing chains etc. There's nothing at all wrong with BMW's quality or design, it's the customer base they attract that is the issue. The used BMW scene is dominated by young guys that can barely afford their cars, let alone regular servicing, as a result the cars have a hard time. If the BMW 1 series was suddenly replaced as the twenty something car of choice by the Honda Jazz we'd be seeing the same issues.
imagine having one of the most unreliable bmw engines ever made and decide not to change oil regularly
Oh man, I was kinda hoping you wouldn't flip the engine all the way over to remove the sump but then you did and I was like "oh nooo... he's gonna be fishing parts out of that engine for hours" 😂
good work
So refreshing to see work being done on the driveway so we can all relate to it. So many channels have fully-equipped workshops where the vehicle is hoisted into the air & you can stand up underneath it. This is the best channel of its type on TH-cam. Very well done.
Well I am planning to build my own garage to do exactly that lol
@@GeorgeAusters If you do that you might find you lose a lot of subs, but maybe the whole point of your TH-cam channel was to raise funds to build your garage?
@@ANationalAcrobat-qj2dl I don’t think so.. I think people are here for the journey to see me evolving
@@GeorgeAusters No - we're really not. We fix our cars at ground level so we can relate directly to you. If you get a fully equipped garage workshop then we will no longer be able to relate directly to you. I for one will be gone at that point & I assure you I will not be the only one.
@@ANationalAcrobat-qj2dl some people 🤷♂️
George I had a 730ld that shit itself I got a replacement engine from a place called corry heads.the engine the supplied was guaranteed for a year and all electrical plugs had been unplugged carefully and not cut .I hope this helps.👍🏻
Gonna call you single handed George 😂
Great works as always mate I've order off autodoc for years and never had a problem they can't be beaten on price 👍
Hi George! Wow - absolutely not expecting that sludge! Really jolted me awake at 1am when I "have a moment"!
Looks like whom you bought the vehicle off - same old lies about "how they loved their car" as "Project KFC all replaced".
My suggestion - talk to breakers within 100-200mi radius or so, pick a viable replacement engine with a 2.0 control unit - an instant upgrade in power already that makes this story worthwhile (DO make sure you replace valve cover, oil filter assembly seal, timing chain n guides, clutch, rear main seal, possibly dual-mass flywheel in ANY case, and, while you're at it - the "sponsored" starter - but who am I preaching to)! A new turbo if in budget would be the "guarantee" that you're seeking, maybe you can get the DPF rinsed professionally, in all then you should have a great, reliable car that will fetch some value should you decide to sell (I'd rather let "KFC" go, own the F30 4pot Diesel myself so - biased!) - Cheers from Connecticut! - Chris
I'd love to watch you do a rebuild but if you can get a solid refurb go for it for the turn around mate that's also good content
Maybe someone replaced the timing chain but re-used the old chain guides
That's what i was thinking too. Looking at these bolts they've rounded - sounds quite possible. Well... they were probably told "do the chain" not "timing kit" so they did...
Seems madness why someone would do that
@@GeorgeAusters it is common for dodgy sellers to do the bare minimum to try and hide the real reason for selling a car.
Surely an engine from a good breakers like Quarry is the way to go especially if the aim is to flip this.
oh btw my free beemer is coming along, should i make a video? I have glow plug module fault (changed plugs already), changed water pump, boost solenoid, maf sensor, drilled/grooved brakes and bunch of other stuff but it has bestowed on me a lovely cooling fault and goes into limp after a short drive, could be fun exploring this. N47 engines are a blast to mess with and now parts are bit cheaper for them all more reason to mess about and tinker.
Me personally would go down the reconditioned route, it be more expensive but then again it be worth a premium when selling as it offers piece of mind for the buyer,
No, it won't be.
Very interesting watch this, would like to know service record of previous oil changes. Get rebuilt engine from decent company I think as car body work very good shape
Get in touch with Lee from Barum engines for some advice?
The inside of that engine looks like a nightmare. Has it ever been given an oil and filter change?
This happen because the owner fallow the bmw manual for maintenace and change the oil on 30k km...the oil must be change it on 10km max!
Hi George there are so many 1 series with N47 dirt cheap some of them with timing noise only or has problems with registration here in france you can buy remove the engine and take what’s important then throw the rest. You can do this in my place.
Wow, that's one of the worst I've ever seen.
Tough choice, but in the end it all comes down to cost.
How did you remove the AC compressor?
Just unbolted it from the block.. It's still all connected
I bought a 2nd hand engine from eBay for my 318d (e90) engine was advertised as doing 58k miles,it starts and runs fine but just seems noisy (like a broken guide)also leaks from rocker cover gasket but fundamentally it runs okay,I paid £800 for the bare engine delivered.
Is there any vin numbers on the n47 where I could get the history of the engine etc?
Lets play a game of how many times "bearing/s" were mentioned.
😂
Hi George, I would go for a recon engine with warranty, at least when you sell it on you have some peace of mind the car has gone with a warranty. Also I'm not sure if you may get a discount for your old engine as you said the top end seems to be not too bad. Looking forward to your decision 👍
rebuild the engine, we'll enjoy the vlogs
1) buy a write off, Cat S/B with rear end damage and swap the engine. 2) swap the engine with something interesting, like a 6 pot?
I don’t think many want to buy an engine swapped car, it’s too much hassle and cost involved
Yep, well done mate. Tear down worth while. When they fail they fail in spectacular fashion. I got prediction wrong. Positive that you have a pile of useable parts I guess. Looking forward to see how you get on. 👍🏻
Without a doubt, a lack of care and attention to oil changes, and I can tell you that that one has had very few!!!! It is the worst I have ever seen!
Do you think the plastic pieces you found were leftover from the previous timing chain, when it was changed?
I wouldn’t think so, they’re definitely from these guides
Was it a poor timing chain job, or the lack of oil change was the culprit?
Hi mate! Whatever decision you make for the engine, you must clean all the paths through which the oil flows, the filter box as well, because there may be pieces of metal that will damage your engine again.
Should have just put some engine flush, oil doctor and the car would be ready to go to the market for sale xD
Would suggest you rebuild a used engine, would be good content
Remember the goal of the series though.. it’s to trade up to my dream supercar
I have an E90 2009...260,000 miles N47 diesel..always serviced every 6k oil and filter...so it isnt the engine per se. Ive always run on 5w 30..
Wife had 2014 X1...same engine. 60k the chain snapped. So the earlier engine was definitely made betfer.
What’s your thoughts on putting 5w40 in on next oil change to make the engine abit quieter on my n47 bmw x1 as they are noisy things lol is it safe to do so
No need, just stick with 5w30 LL04
Hi George, Looks like the days are over for that engine. Now its make or brake time for you at the end of the day its your decision on which of the options you take and what the price is. Only advice I can give you is Wear a pair of safety boots when you are on jobs like this, Not the flip flops Nobody sells feet off the shelf. Good luck on what you decide on with this car.
Looks like it never had an oil change, or certainly not for a long time. With a good clean and new bearings it may well live again.
Hi George, I don’t understand why you need a new block? I thought it seemed fine.
Greetings
Max
Because of the damaged main bearing caps
Use some gloves George, it will protect your hands and not get as dirty as they would otherwise.
I usually do wear gloves but just got carried away when taking the engine apart
Was it just the chain that was changed George?? The guides should last at least 50k miles - Strike 1 again for "recommended" oil change intervals - 12 months or 8k miles should keep things healthy in my book
'It's go a bit of a knock.' Translated - 'It's farked mate!' On a serious note its more interesting to see you push yourself and get stuck right in.
What did you do to remove the rounded out clutch bolts?
Hammered a torx socket in
@@GeorgeAusters ohh ok, I guess the tapered tip on the torx helped a bit. I didn’t think about doing it that way. Thanks for the tip George! Enjoyed watching the video
@@adamb50 Yeah I didn’t fancy drilling them out like I did on project KFC.. took forever!
It won’t be delayed when auto doc send you a crank pistons and headgaskets and timing chain shout out autodoc
RIP
A recon is fine but don't forget to fit new injectors or warranty will be void so there is a grand on its own
Maybe lack of oil changes just made it run hot and ruined those guides and downhill from there. Crazy how not looked after that engine was tbh. Interesting to see it cracked.
Another option if you have the room would be to break the car this would probably give you the best return, the car looks to be in great condition.
Run a magnet over it first to check for filler also check inside panels etc for accident damage
Good luck with it Dai
Takes too long to break cars
@@GeorgeAusters And you would have to deal with the tire kickers
Yup I didn't think that one through too well
Get yourself a colab with Lee from Barum Engines and do a pimp build! :)
I thought that thrust bearing would be shot, turns out pretty much all the other bearings are all shot, actually pretty much the whole engine. 😂😂😂. I never seen one in that sludged up. Did the previous owner ever change the oil? How did that engine not throw a rod through block?
Doubt it be worth even getting the bore dial indicator out. Seeing damage the block and head would be going to scrap. The turbo to likely scrap as typical first to go.
It's a poorly maintained engine with (probably) a poor quality aftermarket timing chain kit fitted which has failed, perhaps due to the fact it was all sludged up already. As I said in a previous video, if it was a "special" car for some reason then it would be good to keep something of the original engine but this is a complete bucket job in my opinion. It's not worth trying to keep the head or cams or pistons or anything, because what's the point?
Best bet IMO is to get a low to average mileage engine from a crashed car, and depending on the mileage, maybe give it a new timing chain and clutch and whatever else you think it needs. Maybe take off a bearing cap or two if you really want to, but I think just dropping the sump or taking off the rocker cover will tell you what you need to know. If you can get a warranty then great but not essential IMO. Most warranties have so many exclusion that they are pretty much worthless anyway.
Thanks for taking time to reveal the root cause even though many of us already knew it was going to be pretty bad. I think you knew too most likely but good viewing anyway. :)
Very well said sir my thoughts exactly Dai
Don’t be fooled thinking it’s just the lower end replacement; with such extensive damage/oil neglect, the turbo has probably taken a hit too, with at least 1 free play piston it might have hammered the head too (bent/invisible cracks), and there’s that timing belt job which raises some questions if properly done. Was oil neglect the single root cause? Did you check oil breather etc…upon proper inspection of all this there might be very little you can salvage or trust after rebuild.
Admire your skill level to be able to take the engine out and strip it down😊
Horrible engine George. Absolutely smacks of long term neglect. Autodoc get some quite bad press, I've been going to give them a try a few times now, but have always found a better deal elsewhere for what I've needed. For my money, a good second-hand engine would be the way to go, the only caveat being the time implication. Because cars in general are written off and scrapped for relatively little nowadays, somewhere there is going to be a well cared for engine in a scrap car, it's just how long it takes to come up and find. I may be wrong because I have not looked into buying one of those engines that's been properly re-conditioned, but it would probably destroy the financial numbers for the car. I thought it was your idea to flip it for a profit on the way to the next car, in which case you can only look at the cheapest way to get it running and sold on. Tough one George.
The plastic guides on these are known to become brittle over time due to heat and small chunks can fall down into the oil sump and finish up blocking the oil feed to the rest of the engine. Im going to assume this may be the case behind this motor.
I don’t get how the guides failed so easily.. On my old E60, the original guides were over 10 years old and were in perfect shape
@@GeorgeAusters must be the quality of the plastic/consistency of oil changes. Had alot of thick gunk in the cam area. Why guides are not made of metal is beyond me.
Get a garage for YOU and take your time with the recording/editing, watch your subscribers grow!
That's the plan!
When they say “he’s grenaded his engine”……..it’s your engine they had in mind 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️holy s**t
Hi George, I have commented before on the N47 engine and the troubles I have had having to rebuild the engine after a timing chain guide fail which blocked up the oil pickup. When I had it happen it put the car into limp mode, I had the red CEL (I think) and a red oil light come up, fortunately it didn't starve the engine of too much oil to cause serious damage and it is still going strong over 3 years on, however the previous owner would have probably figured something was wrong if they had the same symptoms that I had. I would try to get a low mileage engine from a breakers yard if you have a decent one near you then strip it down and rebuild it, best of luck though, hopefully this will be an interesting series to watch!
if this was a transit smiley engine id be all for a full rebuild, but this is a beemer, big difference, bin it, get a refurb, will save you headaches later mate.
Be careful of your feet George!
Worst fears confirmed the head will be shot as well oil starvation due to the timing chain tensioners breaking up,
Time to find a motor from a reputable breaker's
Or take the trip to France that was offered,
Good luck with it Dai
Use Tec 2000 and it's new engine 😂🎉
I’d buy a known running engine, strip clean check, replace chain etc and sell on if your not keeping it, maybe clean and sell the head etc off yours, first I’d way up costs, obviously you will get content out of that, to buy a fully reconditioned and fit is easier but little content and high cost, need to way up projects and content 🤷🏼♂️
Good car for a lot videos mein freund
Very true!
Enjoyed the vid but wearing sliders working on the car is not good😂
It’s a must when it’s warm😅
What about getting the crankshaft resurfaced, new bearings and timing guides if chain is ok.
Crank is too far gone I think
can you tell us what making of timingchain guides those are?
i already saw similar failures with INA guides. The febi (Iwis) timingchain tensioners shouldnt fail like that but who knows
I'd stay AWay from anything "reconditioned". if you have the ability and the tools, do it yourself. But also if it was me I wouldn't be stripping down another engine I'd just get a new crank, replace the bearings and clean the engine properly.
You have a spare engine - KFC :P Quick swap, sell it, then think about what to put inside KFC :P
Haha that would be an option if I project KFC wasn’t my daily haha
@@GeorgeAusters Go crazy! You could temporary drive 130 as a daily :P No seriously - how about buying just the bottom of the engine or one with broken head like after chain snapping? Woudn't that be cheaper and quicker? As you''ve said top is salvageable (or i think you did say that.... to many beers)
Well. All the best as always mate. Good luck!
EDIT: Just found one for 300gbp on ebay. Chain snapped - 100k miles. So yeah, these exists.
George, you have once again proven the old adage that BMW translates into "Bust My Wallet!" One option you failed to mention wa to see that car and cut your losses.
This is a car in the trading up series, if it scrap it then I would be moving backwards in the series👍🏻
As others have said a perfect example of what happens when you don't service the n47 engine regularly!
How did you get to drive it so far, didn't you check before driving to make sure it has oil and it runs ok So maybe driving it like that you finally destroyed it 😅
It was knocking and oil level was fine when I picked it up
Aftermarket chain kit such as BGA and FAI causes this failure all the time, genuine chain kits only
You might as well get a new engine