It's not just the fact that a Rutgers or Vanderbilt is making more than FSU or Clemson it's also the fact their main instate arch rivals Florida and SC are making more in the SEC. It would be the same as Ohio State making 40 million less than Michigan. That wouldn't fly.
It is even worse then that. Last year, Iowa St announced a $10m wrestling facility would be built. This year; Cancelled it. By comparison not only is Penn St doing an$800m upgrade of Beaver Stadium, but building a $30m soccer stadium. How does this happen? Big 10 TV & CFP $ versus Big XII TV & CFP $. It’s pretty simple.
@@ericpollitt7910 Yes that wouldn't fly either. But OSU-Cincy is hardly a yearly rivalry like OSU-Michigan. They have only played 15 or so times in history unlike those season ending rivalry games between the ACC and SEC like FSU-UF; Clem-SC and UGA/GT that are century old.
They signed that contract. Not once but twice. Also, everyone that signed it had to have known that it wouldn't age well compared to future contracts. FSU has ruined its name. By the way, they handled the situation. Presidents referring to them is "bad partner" and one going out of his his way saying that whoever is giving them advice is doing them a disservice.
The only real mystery to me about fsu and Clemson is, are they going to work together and move conferences as a pair or is it every school for themselves.
@@dt7353 People keep claiming the CLEMSON has sued the ACC, but I don't think that's accurate. CLEMSON has filed for a declaratory judgment, a case in which the ACC is an interested party. In contrast, FSU has also sued the ACC for fraud, etc. As a result, FSU has burned bridges and likely can't stay as an option. CLEMSON can wait things out.
There isn’t a look in clause in the espn/acc media. The way the contract is written it ends in 2027. ESPN holds a unilateral option to extend the deal through 2036. Interestingly, it does not appear that the terms of that extension are in the contract. Do even if they extend it might require a new contract and GOR. ND is committed to the ACC if they join a conference (in football) before 2036. It’s part of the deal they made when they joined the ACC in the other sports. I don’t think FSU is so upset about teams like vandy and Rutgers making more that them as they are that they can’t compete with teams like OSU, UM, Alabama and Georgia on half the budget. They have been painted as being greedy in some corners but it’s not like they would be keeping the extra money, it would be spent on keeping athletics competitive. One would think that they are worth as much as vandy, Rutgers, et al.
Let’s compare “Apples to Apples.” The real financial issue for FSU is not Vanderbilt & Rutgers it is UF. I will tell you who is in worse shape then FSU: Miami. At least FSU owns their own Stadium and they don’t have to pay rent and they sell out.
I agree about Miami. Hopefully their new president will do a batter job with athletics than they have had for the last 20 years. Reportedly he is concerned about it. Any ACC schools that want to be competitive in football have a problem right now. It appears the ACC breeched the contract (in addition to failing to perform) but this thing may take awhile to play out in court since they (ACC) are just going to stall as long as they can.
a) All contracts require good faith, so a "look in" would require considering the current market or ESPN would be in breach of contract. b) The PAC scattered because it was delusional and the members had no better option than to leave if they could. Outside of the SEC or B1G, there is no better option than to stay if viable.
Here is the problem: How viable is the ACC long term? If I am say Louisville, do I think comes August 2036, ND, UNC, UVA, Miami & NCST ( not to mention Clemson & FSU) will be sticking around a year from now? The answer is pretty obvious.
@@davidbrown386 Utah wants to join the B1G. If Notre Dame goes B1G they have the juice to bring Stanford as a deep pocketed plus one willing to take Ls.
Northwestern is hosting Ilinois at Wrigley Field in addition to Ohio State in the 2024 season.
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I don't care what each conference says, if Fla St or Clemson were to declare themselves for expansion both the SEC and the B1G would come calling. They may be saying no right now, but the option will always be looming for their next BIG get. The powers that be want the two super conferences. They want their mini-NFL format, and they will get it! That being said the SEC would need to add 8 teams, and the B1G would need another 6. With that said, you tell me who the 14 teams that bring added value and competitiveness with them. There are a handful at best, so as soon as opportunity presents itself both conferences will act upon it. They don't have a choice because big brand teams are at a minimum. If they hesitate, they will lose out, and neither conference is going to allow that to happen. So, they may be saying not right now, however, that could change in an instant!
No realignment until 2026 ( at the earliest) actually works well ( at least for the Big 10): Why? 1: It gives the Big 10 two years to integrate the former PAC 4 schools. 2: No one knows the after effects of the House Settlement. This gives the Big 10 and it’s members time to work on it.
If congress is going to do anything and get involved, it should mandate a commission be made to govern the ncaa/sport/conferences. Won't happen but one could hope.
I wouldn't trust the government to fix anything. The most terrifying words a person can hear is, "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help." Ronald Reagan.
I’m glad they are holding in place until the dust settles. There is so much going on at both the national and conference level. As far as consolidation the only teams I’m concerned with are UNC and ND.
@@rlhaff3560 no because it brings in over a billion dollars annually in research money. They are part of the tech triangle and have close proximity to roughly all of our Tier 1 Special Mission Units in the Military. It has really great academics and is a growing state population wise. Football is the last thing I’m concerned with.
Sometimes things happen in a spontaneous way. One thing we all know is money drives everything. Most people talk but don't read the facts. When the ACC deal was made it was in the same neighborhood as the big10 and sec. A year or 2 later ESPN raised the sec payout forcing cbs out. Big 10 was fortunate to benefit from 3 networks, fox, cbs and NBC come together to pay this billion It's not that the big10 is better but the right place at the right time. You already state most big10 teams northwestern, Rutgers and many more sub par teams are making more than ACC. After Ohio St and Michigan who else in the big10 is playing good football. A few years ago app st a g5 showed Michigan was just another team. Money shows do make a person say strange things. In reality any team can win with the right coach. NFL draft players from all colleges teams not just the big10 and sec. A good college concentrates on their coach to be successful. That's the weakness of the ACC, their coaches are mid grade. We all know everything rides on football, but basketball for 5 months every day make ESPN tons of money and as long as Carolina and Duke stay in the ACC the conference will thrive. We know Carolina is the prize of the ACC, Fs and Clemson trying to ride a horse that doesn't be long to them. Hope to see them leave soon. Big 10 will only pay them 40 or 50 million to join.
Penn State can't beat Ohio St and Michigan.But it was playing good football and would have made the 12 team playoff last season had it existed. Iowa can't play offense,but they to won a lot of games and would have made the playoff last season. Add in Oregon and Washington from last season and the B1G would have had 4 out of those six schools in the playoffs.Wisconsin has been down the last two years but they have been a good program consistently for 30 years. It may not have been that the B1G had a superior overall product that got them a great media deal.But what did matter was the vast alumni base of it's schools, the average net worth of those alums, and the huge TV viewership that even mid B1G programs consistently draw for their games.
@@TheLAGopher Agreed. The alumni network of these schools is rarely brought up but it is sizable. Additionally, even before PAC 12 add ons B1G had schools were the largest T.V. markets in the nation, NY and Chicago for example, and adding PAC 12 just cemented that with LA.
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It's not just the fact that a Rutgers or Vanderbilt is making more than FSU or Clemson it's also the fact their main instate arch rivals Florida and SC are making more in the SEC. It would be the same as Ohio State making 40 million less than Michigan. That wouldn't fly.
It is even worse then that. Last year, Iowa St announced a $10m wrestling facility would be built. This year; Cancelled it. By comparison not only is Penn St doing an$800m upgrade of Beaver Stadium, but building a $30m soccer stadium. How does this happen? Big 10 TV & CFP $ versus Big XII TV & CFP $. It’s pretty simple.
@@vistatiger7493 you mean OSU making less than Cincy in the BIG 12 but point taken
@@ericpollitt7910 Yes that wouldn't fly either. But OSU-Cincy is hardly a yearly rivalry like OSU-Michigan. They have only played 15 or so times in history unlike those season ending rivalry games between the ACC and SEC like FSU-UF; Clem-SC and UGA/GT that are century old.
They signed that contract. Not once but twice. Also, everyone that signed it had to have known that it wouldn't age well compared to future contracts. FSU has ruined its name. By the way, they handled the situation. Presidents referring to them is "bad partner" and one going out of his his way saying that whoever is giving them advice is doing them a disservice.
I think it all hinges on the o-line at OSU.
A good line could allow them to play a prototypical "drop back" passer, as well as a dual threat QB.
Greed will ruin college football.
It’s already started.
You're too late... Texas and Oklahoma already made sure of that!
@@rlhaff3560 Texas driving out Nebraska was what started everything. That was the first team to leave Power 5 for another Power 5.
The only real mystery to me about fsu and Clemson is, are they going to work together and move conferences as a pair or is it every school for themselves.
From what I see, CLEMSON is allied with UNC. FSU is on its lonesome.
@tarheel7406 if that is the case it would make realignment very interesting
@@dt7353 People keep claiming the CLEMSON has sued the ACC, but I don't think that's accurate. CLEMSON has filed for a declaratory judgment, a case in which the ACC is an interested party. In contrast, FSU has also sued the ACC for fraud, etc.
As a result, FSU has burned bridges and likely can't stay as an option. CLEMSON can wait things out.
There isn’t a look in clause in the espn/acc media. The way the contract is written it ends in 2027. ESPN holds a unilateral option to extend the deal through 2036. Interestingly, it does not appear that the terms of that extension are in the contract. Do even if they extend it might require a new contract and GOR.
ND is committed to the ACC if they join a conference (in football) before 2036. It’s part of the deal they made when they joined the ACC in the other sports.
I don’t think FSU is so upset about teams like vandy and Rutgers making more that them as they are that they can’t compete with teams like OSU, UM, Alabama and Georgia on half the budget. They have been painted as being greedy in some corners but it’s not like they would be keeping the extra money, it would be spent on keeping athletics competitive. One would think that they are worth as much as vandy, Rutgers, et al.
Let’s compare “Apples to Apples.” The real financial issue for FSU is not Vanderbilt & Rutgers it is UF. I will tell you who is in worse shape then FSU: Miami. At least FSU owns their own Stadium and they don’t have to pay rent and they sell out.
I agree about Miami. Hopefully their new president will do a batter job with athletics than they have had for the last 20 years. Reportedly he is concerned about it. Any ACC schools that want to be competitive in football have a problem right now. It appears the ACC breeched the contract (in addition to failing to perform) but this thing may take awhile to play out in court since they (ACC) are just going to stall as long as they can.
a) All contracts require good faith, so a "look in" would require considering the current market or ESPN would be in breach of contract.
b) The PAC scattered because it was delusional and the members had no better option than to leave if they could. Outside of the SEC or B1G, there is no better option than to stay if viable.
Here is the problem: How viable is the ACC long term? If I am say Louisville, do I think comes August 2036, ND, UNC, UVA, Miami & NCST ( not to mention Clemson & FSU) will be sticking around a year from now? The answer is pretty obvious.
@@davidbrown386 As viable as the already fully depleted BIG12.
Big 12 added quality replacements like BYU, Utah and UCF. All better for football then Cal, Stanford and SMU
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Utah wants to join the B1G. If Notre Dame goes B1G they have the juice to bring Stanford as a deep pocketed plus one willing to take Ls.
@@davidbrown386 Tier 2 football will be fungible. Value is relative. The BIG12 is currently the worst P4 by far.
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Northwestern is hosting Ilinois at Wrigley Field in addition to Ohio State in the 2024 season.
I don't care what each conference says, if Fla St or Clemson were to declare themselves for expansion both the SEC and the B1G would come calling. They may be saying no right now, but the option will always be looming for their next BIG get. The powers that be want the two super conferences. They want their mini-NFL format, and they will get it! That being said the SEC would need to add 8 teams, and the B1G would need another 6. With that said, you tell me who the 14 teams that bring added value and competitiveness with them. There are a handful at best, so as soon as opportunity presents itself both conferences will act upon it. They don't have a choice because big brand teams are at a minimum. If they hesitate, they will lose out, and neither conference is going to allow that to happen. So, they may be saying not right now, however, that could change in an instant!
Curious... For how long and by how many professionals must it be reported that CLEMSON and FSU are low expansion priorities for the SEC (and B1G)?
That’s because the ACC contract will not expire until 2027.
Weird that they’re favoring Texas A & M over Notre Dame. That would be a good game to bet on.
No realignment until 2026 ( at the earliest) actually works well ( at least for the Big 10): Why? 1: It gives the Big 10 two years to integrate the former PAC 4 schools. 2: No one knows the after effects of the House Settlement. This gives the Big 10 and it’s members time to work on it.
Fairy certain there will be “games” of the year, not just one.
If congress is going to do anything and get involved, it should mandate a commission be made to govern the ncaa/sport/conferences. Won't happen but one could hope.
I wouldn't trust the government to fix anything. The most terrifying words a person can hear is, "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."
Ronald Reagan.
I’m glad they are holding in place until the dust settles. There is so much going on at both the national and conference level. As far as consolidation the only teams I’m concerned with are UNC and ND.
...because UNC is so awesome on the gridiron? lol
@@rlhaff3560 no because it brings in over a billion dollars annually in research money. They are part of the tech triangle and have close proximity to roughly all of our Tier 1 Special Mission Units in the Military. It has really great academics and is a growing state population wise. Football is the last thing I’m concerned with.
ESPN & FOX want 3 Power Conferences, with 20 teams each. The ACC IS DEAD 💀 AFTER THE 2027 SEASON.
The BIG12 is already dead.
There is no path to a peer P3.
If FSU is so angry about their grant of rights, then why in the hell did they sign the grant of rights....TWICE!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Sometimes things happen in a spontaneous way. One thing we all know is money drives everything. Most people talk but don't read the facts. When the ACC deal was made it was in the same neighborhood as the big10 and sec. A year or 2 later ESPN raised the sec payout forcing cbs out. Big 10 was fortunate to benefit from 3 networks, fox, cbs and NBC come together to pay this billion It's not that the big10 is better but the right place at the right time. You already state most big10 teams northwestern, Rutgers and many more sub par teams are making more than ACC. After Ohio St and Michigan who else in the big10 is playing good football. A few years ago app st a g5 showed Michigan was just another team. Money shows do make a person say strange things. In reality any team can win with the right coach. NFL draft players from all colleges teams not just the big10 and sec. A good college concentrates on their coach to be successful. That's the weakness of the ACC, their coaches are mid grade. We all know everything rides on football, but basketball for 5 months every day make ESPN tons of money and as long as Carolina and Duke stay in the ACC the conference will thrive. We know Carolina is the prize of the ACC, Fs and Clemson trying to ride a horse that doesn't be long to them. Hope to see them leave soon. Big 10 will only pay them 40 or 50 million to join.
Penn State can't beat Ohio St and Michigan.But it was playing good football and would have made the 12 team playoff last season had it existed.
Iowa can't play offense,but they to won a lot of games and would have made the playoff last season. Add in Oregon and Washington from last season and the B1G would have had 4 out of those six schools in the playoffs.Wisconsin has been down the last two years but they have been
a good program consistently for 30 years.
It may not have been that the B1G had a superior overall product that got them a great media deal.But what did matter was the vast alumni base
of it's schools, the average net worth of those alums, and the huge TV viewership that even mid B1G programs consistently draw for their games.
@@TheLAGopher Agreed. The alumni network of these schools is rarely brought up but it is sizable. Additionally, even before PAC 12 add ons B1G had schools were the largest T.V. markets in the nation, NY and Chicago for example, and adding PAC 12 just cemented that with LA.
Fill in the schools.
Future 37-team CFB Super League w/ unequal revenue sharing:
Pacific Conference
- 8 schools
Southwest Conference
- 8 schools
Southeast Conference
- 10 schools
Atlantic Conference
- 10 schools
Independent
- Notre Dame
Pacific:
1: USC
2: UCLA
3: Oregon
4: Washington
5: ASU
6: Utah
7: Colorado
8: Stanford
9:: BYU
Southwest
1: Texas
2: Texas A&M
3: Texas Tech
4: TCU
5: Oklahoma
6: Oklahoma St
7: Kansas
8: Nebraska
9: Arkansas
South.
1: Alabama
2: Auburn
3: LSU
4: Georgia
5: Clemson
6: Florida St
7: Florida
8: UCF
9: North Carolina
Midwest
1: Penn St
2: Ohio St
3: Michigan
4: Michigan St
5: Iowa
6: Wisconsin
7: Kentucky
8: Tennessee.
9: Missouri
I decided to make it even
@@davidbrown386 BYU fan?
@@davidbrown386The tv partners will not be cool with this list. No way Norte Dame and Miami FB would be left off for quite a few teams on this list!
Penn State all the way. BYU is a solid brand with a great fan base. Boise St or San Diego St are other options for the West.