I first remember seeing the Lord of the Isles loco in my dad's Triang-Hornby catalogue of 1972! Some years later he got me the set with the loco and the 3 coaches. I still have it too. Great collection you have and nice to see all together.
@@crewelocoman5b161 I think 'Rapido' (?) made an 00 gauge model of the Stirling single wheeler a couple of years ago. Very expensive, but a fine model.
@@mytinplaterailway You're ahead of me on this one. The only model that I know of the Stirling Single was the construction kit made by Kitmaster! It's all good stuff.
Thank you for another very interesting video. The singles had a particular elegance about them. On my 2 GW models I have fitted Bachmann City class wheels to the tenders. These metal wheels look and run better than the Rovex type plastic wheels. They did require some slight modifications to fit. In my view well worth it.
Many thanks for your interest and observations. Yes, you are right about the Rovex plastic wheels on the tenders. My critera has always been do they run through points and crossovers on Peco Code 100 track? In my case, there were no problems with the 'Dean' or the 'Caley'. This was not so with any of the four China produced Rovex B12/3s I have; bogies were okay, tender wheels were Rovex plastic which derailed on points and crossovers. I swapped them for bespoke Alan Gibson metal wheels and they do look much better. As you say, it's fiddly and not something I find easy either.
Wow that Caledonian livery looks superb . I wish I’d bought one now to go with my Bachmann/Rails 812 . I did get a Caley one from the 70s but the level of lining is no where near that standard . I did pick up the coaches from the later pack, that look good behind the 812 . Great video as always . I can visit the real thing as it’s not far from me in The Riverside Museum in Glasgow .
Delighted you enjoyed seeing this. Yes, the standard of finish now being applied takes these models to a whole new level. Credit to Tri-ang for being ambitious enough to model these locos and credit to Hornby for reviving them with a variety of finishes. The Caley didn't quite 'do-it' for me compared to the Dean...all that daylight and gapping!...but I'm glad it was made anyway. You mention the coaches, the two GW clerestory coaches from a very recent pack are also finished to an astonishing level, way beyond the first renditions from the '80s. BTW, the Caley Single was in revenue earning and departmental service for 49 years. Quite remarkable.
Nice look at these old beauties. Triang produced the R.354 Lord of the Isles and the R.553 Caledonian Singles in the early 1960's. Remember that the early models were design for the Series 3 and Super 4 Code 125 track types of the time. Later the Hornby R.763 Ex Caledonia Single was released. So being Ex means it was a later version of the Caledonian Single, same locomotive repainted in LMS livery. After removal from service in 1935 and restoration she was repainted the Caledonian Blue. I think the blue version should have been presented before the Maroon version to get the time line of service more correct. They really were magnificent looking engines. Happy modelling.
The review is a reflection of the chronological release of these locomotives as modelled firstly under their Tri-ang ownership and latterly their ownership with Hornby. I included some historical background of the real locomotives for added interest. As someone who has owned Tri-ang model railways back in the day, I'm only too aware of Series 3 and Super 4 track! Thank you for your observations.
I was fascinated seeing the Triang version when I was a kid. It came with three coaches? :-) Lovely liveries here. I wonder about the huge gap between the frame and the front bogie? Was that actually on the real engines??
No! Tri-ang had (imho) a notorius reputation for raising body height above the wheel sets on most of their models. Curiously, this was not so prevalent in the earlier Rovex era (1957-62). From the 1960s through to the late 70s it manifested itself as gapping between the wheels and lower body and raising the body height or even a combination of both. This was done, so it was said for clearance on corners and to maintain standard buffer height across the range. The issue was exacerbated by the shortened wheelbase on the standard wagon. Why?? This was never an issue with 'Dublo' I think a lot had to do with the models still aiming at the 'toy' market, looking down at a table top or carpet even. The worst culprits were in the 1967-77 Tri-ang-Hornby era: M7, Ivatt Mogul, King Arthur, Duchess and even the 9F which was pointing the way forward. The latter wasn't rectified until the tooling was shipped out to China and the loco body lowered to good effect with added separate detail. Hornby have since re-tooled the 9F from scratch. The 'Dean Single' had the gapping but the same chassis was utilized for the 'Caledonian Single' which didn't look quite as good as the gapping was exacerbated by the oversized single driver. In almost all of my videos, I try to avoid the 'train-set' look filming from on high and concentrate on a more realistic track side view. My filming is not the best there is I know only too well but I only have the full use of one hand. Many thanks for interest and your comments! Cheers, Graeme
@@TERRYBIGGENDEN Not at all, there is no such as a 'silly' question. It's a fascinating hobby, littered with cunundrums, why is...? I've been doing it for a very long time! Thank you for your interest and questions! Graeme
Hi Greame what a great selection of loco you there is one which I am trying to get but they are so expensive a wrenn rebuilt merchan navey class one day may be kind regards Martin
This is a model railway layout which aims to provide a typical (note the word "typical") representation of the railway in the final years of steam with a mainly ex LMS bias (but with a fair representation of the other regions as well) utilizing rtr locos and rolling stock. It is not a prototypical representation of a niche era, region, or period but on occasion I do upload some sessions outside the stated aims for variety and for those who might be interested. It's called a hobby...and guess what, the lamps are not the only details that are not prototypically correct. I don't have a third rail when running Southern trains The semaphore signals are not lower quadrant, neither are the background details prototypical, neither are the locos and coaches. While we're at it, what about the track? 3.5mm/ft running trains at 4mm/ft? At least I paint my trackwork to look representational to minimize the scale discrepancy which is more than you can say for most layouts to be seen on this platform and include semaphore signalling and as far as possible correct lamp codes and correct lamp origination, again most of which is omitted even on 'exhibition' layouts. Do you have a model railway that you would like to display for others to view?
I first remember seeing the Lord of the Isles loco in my dad's Triang-Hornby catalogue of 1972! Some years later he got me the set with the loco and the 3 coaches. I still have it too. Great collection you have and nice to see all together.
Thank you for the observations. Yes, I thought it worth a video for these unique models, especially as they were manufactured as far back as 1961 and 1963 and continue to re emerge over the years.
Great Film. Lovely locomotives and the history behind them. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you indeed for your kind comments. Delighted you enjoyed the session,and have a great Christmas!
@@crewelocoman5b161 Have a great Christmas too.
I first remember seeing the Lord of the Isles loco in my dad's Triang-Hornby catalogue of 1972! Some years later he got me the set with the loco and the 3 coaches. I still have it too. Great collection you have and nice to see all together.
I missed your contribution for some mysterious reason. My apologies. Great memories and thank you for your kind comment!
Very nice collection mate, and I enjoyed the production history very much. Great video all round.
Thank you very much indeed for your comments and observations. Delighted you enjoyed the session.
Very interesting as usual. Love the information you impart. Merry Xmas
Hello Lee, Thank you for that very kind endorsement. And a very Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous New Year to you!👍
Great video Graeme. Its amazing yo me that they have not retooled this Dean loco yet. It really deserves an up to date treatment.
Hi, Thank you for your comments and observation. Unlikely I'd have thought given the extent of projects Hornby have committed to...but who knows?
@crewelocoman5b161 I wish someone would! Hope your weekend is grand Graeme 👍
Very good description of each model!
Thank you kind sir for the comment. Delighted you enjoyed!
Fascinating as usual. Thank you for filming this.
Thank you for the comment and observations! These particular models don't receive the recognition and attention they deserve...imho.
@@crewelocoman5b161 I think 'Rapido' (?) made an 00 gauge model of the Stirling single wheeler a couple of years ago. Very expensive, but a fine model.
@@mytinplaterailway You're ahead of me on this one. The only model that I know of the Stirling Single was the construction kit made by Kitmaster! It's all good stuff.
Thank you for another very interesting video. The singles had a particular elegance about them.
On my 2 GW models I have fitted Bachmann City class wheels to the tenders. These metal wheels look and run better than the Rovex type plastic wheels. They did require some slight modifications to fit. In my view well worth it.
Many thanks for your interest and observations. Yes, you are right about the Rovex plastic wheels on the tenders. My critera has always been do they run through points and crossovers on Peco Code 100 track? In my case, there were no problems with the 'Dean' or the 'Caley'. This was not so with any of the four China produced Rovex B12/3s I have; bogies were okay, tender wheels were Rovex plastic which derailed on points and crossovers. I swapped them for bespoke Alan Gibson metal wheels and they do look much better. As you say, it's fiddly and not something I find easy either.
Wow that Caledonian livery looks superb . I wish I’d bought one now to go with my Bachmann/Rails 812 . I did get a Caley one from the 70s but the level of lining is no where near that standard . I did pick up the coaches from the later pack, that look good behind the 812 . Great video as always . I can visit the real thing as it’s not far from me in The Riverside Museum in Glasgow .
Delighted you enjoyed seeing this. Yes, the standard of finish now being applied takes these models to a whole new level. Credit to Tri-ang for being ambitious enough to model these locos and credit to Hornby for reviving them with a variety of finishes. The Caley didn't quite 'do-it' for me compared to the Dean...all that daylight and gapping!...but I'm glad it was made anyway. You mention the coaches, the two GW clerestory coaches from a very recent pack are also finished to an astonishing level, way beyond the first renditions from the '80s. BTW, the Caley Single was in revenue earning and departmental service for 49 years. Quite remarkable.
Nice look at these old beauties.
Triang produced the R.354
Lord of the Isles and the R.553 Caledonian Singles in the early 1960's.
Remember that the early models were design for the Series 3 and Super 4 Code 125 track types of the time.
Later the Hornby R.763 Ex Caledonia Single was released.
So being Ex means it was a later version of the Caledonian Single, same locomotive repainted in LMS livery.
After removal from service in 1935 and restoration she was repainted the Caledonian Blue.
I think the blue version should have been presented before the Maroon version to get the time line of service more correct.
They really were magnificent looking engines.
Happy modelling.
The review is a reflection of the chronological release of these locomotives as modelled firstly under their Tri-ang ownership and latterly their ownership with Hornby. I included some historical background of the real locomotives for added interest. As someone who has owned Tri-ang model railways back in the day, I'm only too aware of Series 3 and Super 4 track! Thank you for your observations.
I was fascinated seeing the Triang version when I was a kid. It came with three coaches? :-) Lovely liveries here. I wonder about the huge gap between the frame and the front bogie? Was that actually on the real engines??
No! Tri-ang had (imho) a notorius reputation for raising body height above the wheel sets on most of their models. Curiously, this was not so prevalent in the earlier Rovex era (1957-62). From the 1960s through to the late 70s it manifested itself as gapping between the wheels and lower body and raising the body height or even a combination of both. This was done, so it was said for clearance on corners and to maintain standard buffer height across the range. The issue was exacerbated by the shortened wheelbase on the standard wagon. Why?? This was never an issue with 'Dublo' I think a lot had to do with the models still aiming at the 'toy' market, looking down at a table top or carpet even. The worst culprits were in the 1967-77 Tri-ang-Hornby era: M7, Ivatt Mogul, King Arthur, Duchess and even the 9F which was pointing the way forward. The latter wasn't rectified until the tooling was shipped out to China and the loco body lowered to good effect with added separate detail. Hornby have since re-tooled the 9F from scratch. The 'Dean Single' had the gapping but the same chassis was utilized for the 'Caledonian Single' which didn't look quite as good as the gapping was exacerbated by the oversized single driver. In almost all of my videos, I try to avoid the 'train-set' look filming from on high and concentrate on a more realistic track side view. My filming is not the best there is I know only too well but I only have the full use of one hand. Many thanks for interest and your comments!
Cheers,
Graeme
@@crewelocoman5b161 Thanks. It was a silly question I suppose. Thanks s for the amazing answer! :-)
@@TERRYBIGGENDEN Not at all, there is no such as a 'silly' question. It's a fascinating hobby, littered with cunundrums, why is...? I've been doing it for a very long time!
Thank you for your interest and questions!
Graeme
Hi Greame what a great selection of loco you there is one which I am trying to get but they are so expensive a wrenn rebuilt merchan navey class one day may be kind regards Martin
Thank you for your kind and thougtful comments.
Graeme
White lamps? Should be red, GW didnt use white lamps till many,many years later.
This is a model railway layout which aims to provide a typical (note the word "typical") representation of the railway in the final years of steam with a mainly ex LMS bias (but with a fair representation of the other regions as well) utilizing rtr locos and rolling stock. It is not a prototypical representation of a niche era, region, or period but on occasion I do upload some sessions outside the stated aims for variety and for those who might be interested. It's called a hobby...and guess what, the lamps are not the only details that are not prototypically correct. I don't have a third rail when running Southern trains The semaphore signals are not lower quadrant, neither are the background details prototypical, neither are the locos and coaches. While we're at it, what about the track? 3.5mm/ft running trains at 4mm/ft? At least I paint my trackwork to look representational to minimize the scale discrepancy which is more than you can say for most layouts to be seen on this platform and include semaphore signalling and as far as possible correct lamp codes and correct lamp origination, again most of which is omitted even on 'exhibition' layouts. Do you have a model railway that you would like to display for others to view?
I first remember seeing the Lord of the Isles loco in my dad's Triang-Hornby catalogue of 1972! Some years later he got me the set with the loco and the 3 coaches. I still have it too. Great collection you have and nice to see all together.
Thank you for the observations. Yes, I thought it worth a video for these unique models, especially as they were manufactured as far back as 1961 and 1963 and continue to re emerge over the years.