My highest praises. Dr. Scott Hahn is an excellent speaker full of knowledge not only of the Catholic Church but many other topics. You will appreciate everything he has to say even more the books he has written. The Church needs more people like him. God Bless him. Thanks for posting.
Dr. Hahn I really thank the Lord for your life. Your teachings clearly opens my mind to the truths about the immense Love of God through the Eucharist. How I wish you could come to the Philippines. Thank you very much and may God bless you with long life and best of health.
The Beauty of Scott Hahn is that he comes from a background of scriptural study which cradle Catholics often ignore due to giving more attention to the New Testament This is often the case with converts to the faith and they often are brilliantly useful in the church and in this case he's a real treasure
Only the Holy Spirit directs us to the catholic church. No catholic has ever evangelized me, but for the last 1.5yr, the Holy Spirit has evangelized me about the catholic Church being the Apostolic church. I attended the Easter Vigil this year, I have attended mass once, & I felt a heavenly worship in the book of Revelation. The golden articles reflecting the dream temple that Isreal defiled but Yahweh restored in His Son & the new Jerusalem temple to come. God bless the catholic church.Amen
Remember Dr Scott Hahn was a great Pentecostal preacher who had a massive intense dislike of the Catholic faith. For him becoming a Catholic would have been almost for him and for those who knew him as impossible to comprehend. Protestants may not believe what he is saying but it is impossible to say now he is a Catholic that he is no longer a Christian. Dr Scott Hahn's testimony is very powerful.
+Michael John Foster You: "Protestants may not believe what he is saying but it is impossible to say now he is a Catholic that he is no longer a Christian." Huh?
That's all false history. None of that is provable by history books or the bible. The Catholic church went back and filled in it's own history many years later.
aerodave1 that's actually what the Protestants did. They rewrote their own history. That's why they all believe different doctrine and many have no idea what the Apostles or Nicene Creed say.
+BendyBus Song He's leading people astray. As you study the bible you will find that the whole Catholic system is a counterfeit of Jesus' real system. I asked him in person about why the Catholic church ignores the fourth commandment about honoring the Sabbath and he wouldn't answer my question. I met him twice in person. He doesn't know the answers when asked basic questions. There are much more knowledgeable people out there than Scott Hahn. Try Doug Batchelor or Walter Vieth. They are much more scripturally based than Scott Hahn is.
+BendyBus Song Not the church building, silly. The original Christian true church, the one holding to ALL God's commandments and the testimony of Jesus is the one mentioned in Revelation 12:17. The Catholic Church does not meet those qualifications since they don't follow all of the Ten Commandments and they twist Jesus' testimony (ex. baptism, grace, immortal soul, etc.)
aerodave1 Sorry, but you are incorrect here. If you study history, you will discover that the Church Jesus established is in fact the Catholic Church. He said the gates of hell will never prevail against it (the church he established). So any "church" that was founded or invented after Jesus died is not the one He established. The Bible says that the Church is the pillar and foundation of the Truth. Which Church? The one that the author of Timothy was a member of. The one the Apostles were members of. The same Apostles that Jesus taught. And, you are right, the Church is not just a building. The Church is a living entity established by Jesus Christ, recognizable and visible down through the ages. Not invisible, amorphous, and unrecognizable. Not hidden, not buried, not comatose for 1500 years and subsequently resurrected and reformed. But like a city on a hill, just as Jesus said, from the beginning. Why? Because knowledge of the gospel is necessary for salvation and God wants all to come to heaven.
***** We worship God on Sundays because that's when Jesus was resurrected. The resurrected Christ is absolutely central to Christianity. So that's the day we celebrate, every Sunday being a mini Easter. It makes sense to me! Although we certainly could worship God on a Saturday as well, and the Catholic Church does! :)) Let's not strain at gnats and swallow camels, right, lol!
Being a Pianist in a Catholic Church from 1997 to 2003 in the Philippines. 2007 to present at Norther California Catholic Churches. Paying attention to Priests and response with music. This is the simpliest way to understand that Revelation 15 talks about the Holy Catholic Church. Because of the what the Priest say during the mass it is easy to understand that It was in the Revelation 15. Observe the mass and listen what the Priest says especially when priest says " Churches spread over the world". It seems paralell on what John saw "Then I saw something like a sea of glass mingled with fire.* On the sea of glass were standing those who had won the victory over the beast and its image and the number that signified its name. They were holding God’s harps. It was how we celebrate mass from the start to finish was filled with music.
No, I just couldn't be bothered 'demuxing' etc, then deleting this thread and starting a new one, and at least this way the right ear is open to more discernment :-)
Our Blessed LORD truly does work in Wonderful and Miraculous ways.. As I see it, Our LORD used the zeal of Dr Hahn as a Protestant and then placed that zeal (Dr Hahn) into His One, Holy and Apostolic Church..! Praise The LORD our God.. Thanks be to God.. Ave Maria..
Gary Jacobi Sr. If this a Protestant argument, look into the meaning of the word “memory/remembrance” and what the Jews understood by it. Very different from the modern use
Remembrance, yes ☝🏽 but ... Jesus said, *“Drink of it, all of you; for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS" - Matthew **26:27**-28* This sacrifice doesn't sound like to me merely a thanksgiving sacrifice just for remembrance. It deals with *"forgiveness of sins !"* And if we have a High Priest always in heaven interceding, it makes perfect sense, we must have CONTINUAL SACRIFICES as well. For if there are no sacrifices then that means we are sinless, and don't need of a priest 🤷🏽♂️ Logic talk
the more I read about what the earliest church fathers believed in regards to the Eucharist, mass, baptism, justification etc the more I'm starting to see what the Catholic church has continued to teach up until today. The Mormons and JW's both believe in an apostasy that happened after Christ's death and that His word needed to be restored. As a protestant one has to agree with the cults in regards to errors in doctrine out of the gate or agree with what the successors of the apostles taught in regards to these subjects which would be contrary to what the reformers believe. It seems that if an apostasy happened right after Jesus' death then Christ's words to his apostles were very misleading, only to be put right 1500 years later. This seems to leave me with 2 logical choices. Either I follow and believe what the early church fathers taught dogmatically or I don't believe in any of it at all.
Joe, Tim has a definition of worship that he has not shared. Webster's is below. He's been shown that Catholic's at Mass offered worship to the Lord, including his Real Presence in the Eucharist. Prayers, respect, admiration, ritual etc. were all part of the mass. What he really objects to is the absence of the word "worship". So he says one thing, but means actually, another. Definition of worship 1 chiefly British : a person of importance -used as a title for various officials (as magistrates and some mayors) 2 : reverence offered a divine being or supernatural power; also : an act of expressing such reverence 3 : a form of religious practice with its creed and ritual 4 : extravagant respect or admiration for or devotion to an object of esteem
You do realize I hope that the Protestant Reformation was a reaction to the Catholic church going off message from what Jesus taught in the gospels. The Catholic church today is nothing like what the early Christians believed and taught. Or Jesus and the apostles for that matter.
"The Catholic church today is nothing like what the early Christians believed and taught. " OK, so evidence from you is needed. Please cite a reference from those early Christian writings that the New Testament Canon was 27 books. Do you believe that these early Christians were infallible in their pronouncement? Similarly, those same Christians, professed that the Old Testament contained how many books? Again, please cite a reference to those early Church writings. Same to AeroDave, provide evidence that those early Christians interpreted your version of scripture on the 16th doctrines of: faith alone, sola scriptura, baptism was symbolic only, baptism should be delayed to the age of reason and that the Eucharist is symbolic only. Let see your evidence for what those early Christians believed. Were they Catholic OR Protestant in what they believed and taught?
The only difference in the 'Message' is the vernacular, the "Message" is the same now as it was then. Some left to 'Reform', while others stayed to "Restore". The Message has NEVER changed.
se7ve7ns The faith was given once for all to the Saints, affirmed in both oral Tradition and in writ (which itself is Tradition put to writ but not all of it) That's why we know for certain that baptism is salvific and that the Eucharist truly is the resurrected Body and Blood of Christ. This has never changed despite errant Catholic's in the 16th c who professed otherwise, who didn't even agree with each other, and had no authority to change the "Message"
aerodave1 where does it either say it is not? But catholic essentially meant embracing ALL teachings that is why on the great commission Matthew 28:20 and teaching them to obey everything (ALL) I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." - so in the last verse is why until today Catholic still here since 2000 years! Try to trace your beliefs through history and I’m sure it will not reach back 2000 years ago and therefore that is the proof that your church is just another sect among other sects.
@@tatoon34 Matthew 28:20 is not talking about Catholics. It is talking about Christians in general. My church goes back even BEFORE the Catholic church was created. The original group of Christians in the first 300 years.
The Mass is not in the bible. It is a man-mad ritual. With communion the bible is talking about symbolic bread and blood, not real bread and blood. It is done in memory of Him. We are told not to eat or drink blood in the bible. Also, the Catholic church uses alcohol to represent Jesus' blood. Alcohol represents sin in the bible. Jesus drank non-alcoholic grape juice at His meals.
Thank you Dr. Hahn. My little brain cannot fully comprehend all the biblical and scriptural contexts of the Holy Mass which you explain. It is far too deep and spiritually mysterious for a layman. May God bless you with greater wisdom to enable you to bring us closer to God and closer to the beauty of the teachings of the faith.
Simple fact is that Christ instituted one church and gave it his own perpetual authority to bind and loose on Earth what would be bound and loosed in heaven and promised his permanent presence in that church All other denominations were produced by men for various reasons often political other times personal The church is where the sacraments are dispensed by the authority of the founder himself when he was present on Earth They hold the christ given authority that can't be self appointed by men Christ himself recognised the authority of the old priesthood even when it was a corrupt one After curing the lepers he said go and show yourselves to the priest and make the offering ie their equivalent of confession
MIRACLE - 3.00 pm. 04-04-2018 - This Writer had been pining for months to resolve one important work in hand but to no avail. And without losing hope, still kept trying to get the job done. The job at hand is not being revealed but it is important to reveal the outcome that, immediately after the short script in praise of Virgin Mary as placed below was completed - Friends and Roman Catholics all - Praise the Lord - the particular job in hand pending for months and over which much perspiration shed, was got done even without this person realizing that it was all done and - imagine a miracle even without one knowing it at all. All praise and glory be showered on the Mother of our Lord Jesus Christ because this success literally revealed the power of the Virgin Mary as the Most Powerful among all women and the Virgin of all graces. So here below is placed the note written by this Writer - All Praise to God Almighty - All Praise to the Lord - Praise to Virgin Mary and in unison to all angels and saints in the unity of the Holy Spirit - One God for ever and ever and for all times to come. Hail Mary - Full of Grace - The Lord is with you …. Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death - Amen and be it so. We, Catholics the world over worship her - yes we do, and adore her for what she was, is and will ever be for eternity. We praise her and fall in adoration of the Mother of the Most High, the Virgin of Virgins and the Star of the Sea of Angels, who were created by God Almighty Himself in order that our redemption should have become a reality. As such, it was because of her, the Virgin Mary and the virgin of virgins that Jesus Christ attained the flesh of her flesh and blood of her blood to have been adored as the son of God the Father and through Power of the Holy Spirit. As such, she becomes the Mother of our God and empowered by her only Son to be worshipped as our Mother and the conceiver of the fruit of our redemption. Worshiping the Mother of God would amount to adoring the Supreme Creator and the Redeemer of mankind because it was in her that our Lord Jesus Christ was conceived and in her that we attained the gift of our redemption. Just as Jesus Christ cannot be separated from God the Father Almighty and the Holiest of the Holy Spirit, so too Virgin Mary cannot be placed apart from her son to be slighted by humanity. Virgin Mary, in this manner has become worthy of our praise and our glory for now and for all times to come. Hail Mary, the Virgin of Virgins, the Mother of the Most High, the Redeemer of mankind we fall on bended knee now and for all times to come.
The focal point of the Catholic place of worship is the sacrificial altar, just as it was in the Jewish temple until its destruction by the Romans in 70 A.D. Old wine cannot be put into new wineskins. In Protestantism, the focal point of worship is the pulpit. How strange.
But Christ's sacrifice continues in an unbloodied manner. Only his physical suffering and death are relegated to the past. Jesus has entered the sanctuary of heaven to offer a perpetual sacrifice to the Father for the sins of the world (Heb. 7:27; 9:12, 15, 22-24). Jesus appears before the Father as the slain paschal Lamb (Heb 4:16). Jesus is both High Priest and Victim. The blood of the New Covenant fulfills that of the Old Covenant. Only the Levitical sacrifices have ended. Jesus is High Priest in the order of Melchizedek. The consecrated bread and wine become his body and blood (Gen 14:18-20; Ps 110:4). His sacrifice is eternal, as his offering of himself to the father is perpetual. John witnesses the heavenly liturgy on Sunday, the Lord's day, which is a Catholic holy day of obligation for attending Mass on earth (Rev 1:10). There are lampstands or Menorahs in heaven. These have always been used in the Holy Mass of the Church on earth (Rev 1:12; 2:5). Jesus is clothed as High Priest. Our priests also clothe themselves in vestments and personate Christ in offering His sacrifice in the Holy Mass on earth (Rev 1:13; 4:4, 6:11, 7:9, 15:6, 19:13-14 ). There is a penitential rite in heaven which is also part of the liturgy of the Holy Mass on earth (Rev. 2:5,16,21; 3:3; 16:11). There is manna in heaven given to the faithful. This is the same as the Eucharistic manna given to the faithful at the Holy Mass on earth (Rev. 2:17). There are priests ("presbyteroi") in heaven. Priests offer sacrifice. Our earthly priests participate with the heavenly priests in offering Jesus' eternal sacrifice in the Holy Mass on earth (Rev. 4:4, 5:14; 11:16, 14:3, 19:4). Heaven's liturgical chant "Holy, Holy, Holy" is the same that is used in the liturgy of the Holy Mass on earth ( Rev. 4:8). The various antiphonal chants in the heavenly liturgy are similar to those used at the Holy Mass on earth ( Rev. 4:8-11, 5:9-14, 7:10-12, 18:1-8). There is a book or scroll of God's word in heaven. This is reflected in the Liturgy of the Word at the Holy Mass on earth (Rev. 5:1). Heaven's description of Jesus as the "Lamb" is the same as the description of Jesus as the Lamb of God in the Eucharistic liturgy of the Holy Mass on earth ( Rev. 5:6). Heaven's emphasis on the intercession of the saints is the same as the Holy Mass on earth (Rev. 5:8, 6:9-11, 8:3-4). There is incense in heaven which has always been part of the liturgy of the Holy Mass on earth ( Rev. 5:8, 8:3-4). Heaven's concluding liturgical prayer "Amen" is the same as is used at the Holy Mass on earth (Rev. 5:14; 7:12; 19:4). There are chalices (or bowls) in the heavenly liturgy. This is like the chalices used to offer Christ's sacrifice in the Holy Mass on earth (Rev. 15:7, 16:1-4,8,10,12,17; 21:9) There is an altar in heaven. But no altar is needed unless a sacrifice is being offered in heaven. This is the same sacrifice that is offered on the altars used in the Holy Masses on earth (Rev. 8:3, 11:1, 14:18, 16:7). There is a tent or tabernacle in heaven. Tabernacles are used to store the Eucharist at the Holy Mass on earth (Rev. 15:5). The consummation of the Lamb at heaven's marriage supper is the same as the Lamb's supper in the Holy Mass on earth (Rev. 17, 19:9). Proof from sacred Tradition "They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again." St. Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to Smyrnaeans, 7,1 (c. A.D. 110) "For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh." St. Justin Martyr, First Apology, 66 (c. A.D. 110-165) "But what consistency is there in those who hold that the bread over which thanks have been given is the Body of their Lord, and the cup His Blood, if they do not acknowledge that He is the Son of the Creator of the world..." St. Irenaeus, Against Heresies, IV:18, 2 (c. A.D. 200) One holy sacrifice of the Mass is infinitely more pleasing to the Father than all Protestant services combined in all of history. It is the greatest act of worship we can offer to God. Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets - not abolish them. Please read The Biblical Basis for the Eucharist, John Salza; The Biblical Roots of the Mass, Thomas J Nash.
Aerodave... If we don't need an altar anymore why exactly is there one in Heaven ( cf Rev 8:3, 8:5, et al) An altar is a place of sacrifice. If there is no altar there can be no sacrifice. If there is no Sacrifice then there is no need of a High Priest yet Scripture says Jesus is the High Priest ( Hebrews 4:14-16). What gives?
The altar Rev 8 is talking about is the altar of incense. It is symbolic and represents the prayers of the saints (us), not an altar of sacrifice. Jesus is our high priest but He is not doing sacrifices. We don't need an altar for sacrifices anymore. The Catholic church still uses an Earthly altar with a priest and sacrifices Jesus' body and blood every week. They say it is the REAL body and blood which makes it worse. Also, they use alcohol, which is a poison to the body, to represent Jesus' blood instead of the grape juice that the verse says they used. Leavened bread as well as fermented alcohol both represent sin in the Jewish culture. Jesus was sinless and they still use alcohol to represent His blood. They also have Jesus hanging on a cross which represents perpetual sacrifice. They are constantly sacrificing Him every week.
Seventh-day Adventist Church - Founders Ellen G. White James Springer White Joseph Bates J. N. Andrews All self appointed no Authority at all same with all the other self appointed denominations some bordering on the comical if it were not so tragic
Ellen White is not the founder of the Seventh Day Adventist church. She was a Christian writer who is actually the most published and successful female writer of all time.
The mass can be ritual, and not fully envelop the believing Catholic or the baptized and non believing Catholic. It is the still the Body and Blood, but as Paul writes of some: not discerning the Body. The Ritual ---Ritualism distinction is very good.
The early believers broke bread daily from house to house.The 4 things early believers did was apostles doctrines breaking bread daily from house to house fellowship and prayer healing the sick and preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ.Only believers go to Paradise.Denomination and all religions is mans way to god but god’s word say that Jesus is the only way.No Catholic or Protestant will go to heaven as only believers go to heaven as god’s word says John 3:16 Acts 16:31 Mark 16:16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved.What hinders you from being baptized and baptism was always full immersion and happens immediately after believing?
The bread and wine was the new covenent of not the sacrifice of animals .but of a righteous man the new high priest . His body is same as our bodies and his blood is our blood. He partook of the same flesh and blood as us. He is in a glorified body in heaven. 24 elders not bishops they redeemed jews. 144000 who are They. The brass serpent was the sacrifice ,but it was a Idol and Hezekiah destroyed it. Therefore jesus knew This and used the bread and wine as a agape meal of Unity. The lords prayer is same.
Remember that for the first 300 years or so Catholic meant "universal", and was not a physical church. The early church fathers were speaking of the universal group of Christians, not a church. As in the universal church of Christians. Later on, in the 300's and 400's when the Roman Catholic church was created, the definition was changed in practical use to mean the Roman Catholic church. Just as the early bishops of the church were not popes until the Catholic church went back retroactively and called them popes. Constantine changed the Christian world by merging the pagans with the Christians to form a new organizational church which became the Roman Catholic church that we know today. It didn't exist before that. Bottom line is that the early Catholic (universal) church is not the same one as the later Roman Catholic church.
You realize around the same time the reformation was occurring La Virgin de Guadalupe appeared to Juan Diego and most of Mexico was converted to Catholicism? About the same number people leaving the Catholic Church were almost immediately replaced within 50 years. The Catholic Church did need reform and it failed many which is why they left, but bickering among each other is not productive or beneficial. Please, pray that God forgives you for trying to take people away from Him and causing division and strife. Move on. Be kind. Be a true reflection of Christ to those around you.
@@roxanardh I am NOT trying to take people away from God, I am trying to bring more people to Him. I'm trying to get people out of the false Satan backed religion that is the Catholic church. I was in the church for 40 years and I saw many wrong teachings. Just the fact that they pray to the dead (Mary) is totally against Jesus' teaching.
@@aerodave1 Maybe you should learn where, when and why you're not welcome and when, where and why you are welcome. Learn to stay where you're wanted and welcome. It's better for everyone involved!
These arguments always deter people from becoming Christians , we lead people away from Christ by constant belittling each other's belief and how we come to Jesus in personal faith.I am no longer participating in any dialogue in this video. Anyone addressing me for clarication on my belief listen to Scott Hahn he has adressed it all already.
How does one know and trust that all 27 books of the New Testament are God's Written Word, Inspired and Inerrant, and that no books have been left out that are?
JMJ You can 'know and trust' ALL 27 Books, esp those of Catholic origin because that have all the books (Old and New) since about 367 AD, St. Athanasius came up with a list of 73 books for the Bible that he believed to be divinely inspired. This list was finally approved by Pope Damasus I in 382 AD, and was formally approved by the Church Council of Rome in that same year. There are books 'left out', that anyone can find if they want, nothing is 'hidden' from the faithful.... but ... like the parables gave the people and explanations to the Apostles. (unlike the 7books removed in the some Protestant bibles which were an attempt to 'hide' a history of 'works' and 'Purgatory') BUT, tread with the Lord first (pray, as you would n should in everything you do), there a bibles out there, eg JW that altered the Bible by tiny things like in Luke 2 calling Jesus an 'it' instead of 'Child', and in John 'and the word was with 'a' god', suggesting more than One God... anyway... enough said... "...faith without works is useless..." James 2:17 keep up the 'works' and seek, knock n ask everything about your 'faith' and God Bless :-)
Because Rome has spoken. Case close. As the Bible says, "the Church is the pillar of Truth", and guided to all truth by the Truth Himself (Jesus Christ)
Oh Bible believers must Never have any dislike for any human being made in GOD's very image (Genesis 1 Verse 26). Thank GOD in 1996 i came to CHRIST n Only CHRIST as My Only Saviour in order to go to Our Heavenly Father(John 14 Verse 6) n left the 💒 of rome n Praise GOD i have been Worshipping GOD in Holy Bible Based ⛪⛪ since then n with The Help of GOD The Holy Spirit, i have led many many many dear brethren from the roman 💒 into Bible based ⛪⛪⛪. Praise GOD👏👏👏👏👏
Lucifer will never stop attacking. He will use every weapon of hate he has, every angle he has to destroy God's Church and to steal as many souls from God and bring them to his Kingdom of Despair Below... He is a very real entity and not a METAPHOR as many modernists would have you believe. He shall fail as the Gates of Hell will never prevail… That is why she has been attacked over and over again from the outside and from within for 2000 years... For She is the Bride of Christ and not of the world. She belongs to Christ. THE ONE TRUE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH, TRUE ISRAEL! Ephesians 5:25-29 John 15: 17-19
+aerodave1 What you say about the power to bind and loose is incorrect. It is not the power to accept Christ or not accept Christ. That power is everyone's, but King Jesus gave only the Apostles the power to bind and loose (aka open and shut). This is rabbinic language indicating authority to say what's allowed and not allowed. It means those men had kingly authority to lead/teach/guard/discipline the inhabitants of the kingdom. The Apostles were the first bishops of the fledgeling Church which Jesus built. The Church is the restored/renewed Davidic kingdom of God (aka kingdom of Israel, kingdom of yahweh, kingdom of Heaven. See Samuels, Kings, Chronicles, Psalms, Gospels). That dynastic kingdom featured a body of men to administer the kingdom for the king and King Jesus established the Apostles to be the new ministers, called bishops in the KJV of the the Bible. They, and by extension their successors, have the authority to shepherd the flock of Jesus on earth.
+AmericanBerean That's not exactly correct. I think you misunderstood what I said about binding and loosing. Binding and loosing souls here on Earth also has the same effect in Heaven. That's what it means. If you win or lose a soul here on Earth, you will win or lose the soul for Heaven. In other words, whatever decision someone makes here on Earth will effect them in Heaven. You will either be there or you won't. Jesus told the apostles to go forth and distribute His teachings to the world. Not to create their own church, the Catholic church. Nowhere does it say in the bible to create the Catholic church.
aerodave1 What you say in your first paragraph is true on a general level. But the primary meaning is in rabbinic authority as leaders of God's kingdom on earth, to lead/teach/guard/discipline God's people on earth. Your second paragraph misses the mark. Jesus actually founded His Church on the foundation of the Apostles (Ephesians). His Church is a visible society, as well as a spiritual association, with obvious leaders known as bishops (as the Apostles, and their successors are called in Scripture, KJV). The bishops spread the Faith, growing the Church which Jesus founded. Even in the early 2nd century, the one, holy, apostolic Church was known as the "catholic" Church, to differentiate it from heretical sects which began to crop up. Ignatius, the bishop of Antioch after Peter, said "See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." -Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Ch 8 The Catholic Church is grounded in Apostolic times. Your church originates 500 years ago.
Warning from your creator. “They say God most gracious Has begotten a son !Indeed you have put forth a thing most monstrous !At it the skies are ready to burstThe earth to split asunder , And the mountains to fall down In utter ruin. That they should invoke A son for God, Most gracious. For it is not consonant with the majesty of GodMost gracious that he should beget a son. (H.Q 19:88-92)
It appears the writer of the Qur'an thinks Christians ever held a 'God having a baby' theology (because it implies God would need a consort/wife! Understand how terrible a misunderstanding of Christian that is!) . Which isn't true at all. The Bible is clear, Jesus is the Word of God, the image of God, the very figure of His substance (in His divine nature), His 'Son'. He is called Son because He is of exactly the same nature and essence as God. Not separate. He is definitional to God. Not another separate God. Hence, He is said to be distinct ("with God") but in fact, since He is of the one nature with the Father, "God". We don't say He has only now begotten a Son. And even then, "Son" is metaphorical. Son refers to the ETERNAL Son of God (hence never not existing). Since before the heavens and the earth existed, the Bible clearly says God made all things by His Son. Jesus says He is "THE Son" and then says, "Now Father, glorify Me with the glory I had with you BEFORE THE WORLD EXISTED". Muhammad or whoever wrote the Qur'an wants you to believe that the Gospel is corrupted so badly, yet even the most liberal scholars and atheists will admit that the original message was not compatible with Muhammad's novel teachings which contradict both the New Testament, and the Torah. Entirely. Fundamentally. Brother, if you knew the Faith that has been veiled in modern times, truly, you would be happy! But alas, no one lives it, everyone mocks it. The Gospel, properly understood, is beautiful and preserves the Sovereignty of the one God, while revealing that God's nature is triune. Note that I said God's nature. The one God's nature. Muslims are under the impression that when they hear "three" that means three Gods. (since the Qur'an says directly after "say not three" that "for Allah is one God" or something to that effect). The Jesus of the Bible is superior to the false 600-year-late made up Jesus, not the Jesus of history. Have you ever noticed that the Qur'an seems to be more of a rebuttal of Christianity's core doctrines? Bukhari 8:73:224 "Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, 'The most awful name in Allah's sight on the Day of Resurrection, will be (that of) a man calling himself Malik Al-Amlak (the king of kings).'" Revelation 19:16 "On his [Jesus'] robe at his thigh was written this title: King of Kings and Lord of Lords." 1 Timothy 6:14-15 "to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, which God will bring about in his own time-God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords," Why does Allah hate Jesus, or hate God?
Really doesnt matter if anyone can have a massive dislike for anyone or for any religion n change. Why? people's views n values change. I changed my view of roman catholicism after 24yrs blindly obeying my 'priest' n in what he taught, till 1996, i read the bible on my own n found much of what he taught was not according to what The Holy Bible Taught! Eg GOD's Salvation. please read Ephesians Chapter 2 Verses 8 n 9. Thank GOD ever since then, i have been Worshipping GOD in Prosentant Holy Bible WORD Based Churches n Praise GOD in CHRIST i have Witnessed to many many many roman catholics from the holy bible n many many many have left the 💒 of rome n came Home to CHRIST n Only CHRIST in Prostestant Churches👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
As a Catholic, I worship Christ, not the Bible. I worship Christ daily, in His Church, during Holy Mass in the Liturgy of the Word, and obey His request in the Liturgy of the Holy Eucharist He left for me consume. I "protest" about things in our Church, but, never enough to leave Him!, like those first ' "Christian protestants' that left our Lord when they couldn't (or wouldn't) understand Him (John: (appropriately) 6:66) ... (Note: thes 'first' Christian protestants were with the God of all Creation, in His Presence ... isn't that amazingly bewildering?)
While tens of thousands of Protestants come home to the Catholic Church once they realize that the Catholic Church was established by Christ and that our teachings can be found in the Bible.
Which protestant church? Cause they are many and being born every day! Even as am writing another new and 'different' protestant church is emerging somewhere! Confusion at its core.
The bible says that we don't need an altar for sacrifices anymore. The Catholic church still uses an Earthly altar with a priest and sacrifices Jesus' body and blood every week. They claim it is the REAL body and blood which makes it worse. Also, they use alcohol, which is a poison to the body, to represent Jesus' blood instead of the grape juice that the verse says they used. Leavened bread as well as fermented alcohol both represent sin in the Jewish culture. Jesus was sinless and they still use alcohol to represent His blood. They also have Jesus hanging on a cross which represents perpetual sacrifice. They are constantly re-sacrificing Him every week.
aerodave1 the first miracle of Christ was turning water into wine at a wedding. You just accused Christ of sinning. I hope that spouting your ridiculous Protestant heresy out loud helps you to realize how ridiculous what you are saying is.
I'm only speaking the truth. Jesus turned the water into FRESH wine which is actually grapejuice. The old wine is fermented that sits around until it is a poison to the body. Fermentation was a sign of sin in the Jewish culture. By saying that Jesus is making fermented wine, you are accusing Jesus of sinning.
aerodave1 you are a liar. Nowhere in Scripture does it state that the wine was fresh, only they it was better than the wine that was served before it. Your personal interpretation of Scripture is fundamentally irrelevant, because you are not a Christian.
The "good" wine is fresh wine. Fresh wine would not have time to ferment since it needs an aging process tin order to be fermented. It was created before it could ferment. Also, Jewish culture looked at fermentation as sin, just like they did with leavened bread. That's why they drank unfermented grape juice and ate unleavened bread. Fermented wine in Greek is oinou Unfermented wine in Greek is oinon John 2:3 - And when they ran out of wine, the mother of Jesus said to Him, “They have no wine (oinou) John 2:6-10 - Now there were set there six waterpots of stone, according to the manner of purification of the Jews, containing twenty or thirty gallons apiece. 7 Jesus said to them, “Fill the waterpots with water.” And they filled them up to the brim. 8 And He said to them, “Draw some out now, and take it to the master of the feast.” And they took it. 9 When the master of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine (oinon), and did not know where it came from (but the servants who had drawn the water knew, the master of the feast called the bridegroom. 10 And he said to him, “Every man at the beginning sets out the good wine (oinon), and when the guests have well drunk, then the inferior. You have kept the good wine (oinon) until now!”
aerodave1 you have revealed that you have no understanding of the Greek language. Greek is poetic, when a word appears more than once, it is usually spelled in at least two different ways. See the first two spellings of the name Jesus in Matthew. Your argument is one of silly private interpretation of a language you cannot even read. You are inserting this word "fresh" where it does not exist. Why would anybody set out non alcoholic wine at the beginning? The good wine is the best tasting alcoholic wine. When the guests had become tipsy, the taste of the wine no longer mattered, thus they would bring out cheaper wine at the end. The master of the feast was commenting that the wine served at the end was superior to the first wine. This is a reference to the New Covenant's superiority to the Old through Christ. Your views are Gnosticism, not Christianity. You are not permitted to form your own private opinion on the meaning of Scripture. 2 Peter 1:20. Since you have decidedto interpret Scripture for yourself, you have decided to form your own faith, contrary to that which Christ established and gave to us through the apostles. Thus, you are not Christian. Repent.
We could not keep the law of the Torah. Written by the finger of God. So jesus fulfilled the Torah not keeping new sacrements. Jesus prayed for unity. Thats the only pray. Jesus confirmed same in john chapter 17.
Unfortunately, much of 'the law of the Torah' was not 'written by the finger of God' but by the finger of Moses. as Christ clearly demonstrated when the example/explanation of 'divorce' was explained by Jesus as being appended by Moses due to 'the hardness of heart by men'.
@@vladimirivan1404 it actually says the 10words were written by the finger of God. Deuteronomy chapter 9 v 10; The divorce issue is another subject, the new covenent is different, the10 words would be written in our heart's,hence we have to be born anew.
WHAT IS THE PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE TO BOTH CATHOLIC AND PROTESTANT? Let us now ask questions of paramount importance to both Roman Catholics and Protestants, and turn to this Catholic Bible for the answer: - Let us turn to this Catholic Bible. We will find the answer in Hebrew 10: 11-12, 14, 18 “And every priest indeed stands daily ministering and often offering the same sacrifice which can never take away sins”. “But Jesus Christ, having offered one sacrifice for sins, has taken His seat forever at the right hand of God. For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are sanctified. Now where there is forgiveness, there is no longer offering for sin”. And that sacrifice will never have to be offered again. Jesus Christ offered Himself as a sacrifice for your sins and mine. God says it is “forever”. That “One Offering” is sufficient for the remission of sin”. Then there is no longer offering for sin”. So then according to this Catholic Bible, it is vain and useless to offer a daily mass, since God says it “can never take away sins”. IS THE SACRIFICE OF THE MASS STILL NECESSARY?
It's come down to nowadays there's nothing of paramount importance to both! That's why we have such a high number of atheists and antagonists. They just get tired of the constant bickering and one upmanship between the "Christians."
Catholicism is indefensible...just read from Scripture (the highest Authority on Faith and practice) and you will see The simplicity of the early church's worship and practice and ask yourself how did the church go from simplicity of worship to an elaborate liturgy and additional practices not found in the early church particularly from the book of Acts it has mutated into something not recognizable ....Scott Hahn should know better ...have him answer that question Also the RC Church has been in free fall apostasy since Francis...it has even apostatized from its own standards....should have listened to the Reformers cause you certainly need them now
@@se7ve7ns You mean the kind of Protestantism that wants some kind accountability of your church's crimes against humanity over millennia and its involvement with the Present New World Order ....and its involvement with Freemasonry and Babylonian religion that has overtaken your church from the start....I think Judas would be more proud of you than Protestantism
@@se7ve7ns He cried with a mighty voice, saying, "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, and has become a habitation of demons, and a prison of every unclean spirit, and a prison of every unclean and hateful bird! He cried with a mighty voice, saying, "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, and has become a habitation of demons, and a prison of every unclean spirit, and a prison of every unclean and hateful bird! I heard another voice from heaven, saying, "Come forth, my people, out of her, that you have no participation in her sins, and that you don't receive of her plagues,
@@se7ve7ns 1Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying [a]to me, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, 2with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.Rev17:1/2
That "Lord have mercy" reference Matt 17 15 doesnt make sense. the Woman asks for Mercy and Jesus replies, "O u perverse Generation. How long must I stay w u." & to apostles, "everything is possible for u. you can move mountains." I love to pray but this one always seems wrong. psalm 123 was before jesus saved
The lies continue. The más as done by the RCC is nowhere to be found in the bible. For starters, where does the bible say that only a priest can do the mass? Where does the bible say that a priest has the power to bring Christ down onto the altar? If you can answer those two questions we might be able to discuss this topic.
Anyone can do the mass (outside of the church that is, Anna often do in black masses.) but only an ordained Catholic or Orthodox priest can consecrate the host because of the pentecost and subsequent laying of hands by non heretic ordained priests.
@@Kitiwake where does it say that in scripture. Jesus didn't put limitations on anybody that I know if. He said do this in remembrance of me. Where does it say only the priest. That was my original question. Where does it say that Jesus turned the bread and wine into body and blood. Did Jesus transubstantiate himself?
Scott Weinmann Great question Scott. As a former Protestant who converted to Catholicism, I had the same question at one point and can sympathize with what can be and often is taken as an arrogant teaching of the Catholic Church. The reality is that this teaching is largely misunderstood. When stating the church's teaching we need to phrase it correctly. Otherwise, its meaning can become skewed and will misrepresent what the Church actually teaches. The teaching is that "outside the Church there is no salvation." The misunderstanding revolves around what is meant by "outside the Church." In our view as Catholics, other non-Catholic Christian denomination are not entirely outside the Church. We share a common baptism; and baptism is the Sacrament by which we are freed from sin, are born again (see John 3:1-5), and become members of Christ. It is by Baptism that we are incorporated into The Church and made to share in her mission. So non-Catholic Christians who share in this baptism are not outside the Church, though, they are also not fully in communion with the Catholic Church either. There is much to be gained by coming into full communion with the Catholic Church. I won't deny or downplay that. It was a great love for Jesus, for Sacred Scripture, and for Truth that compelled be to leave my Protestant roots and become Catholic and I have only grown deeper in my relationship with Jesus as a result. So when you hear that "outside the Church there is not salvation," don't take it as "We're right and everyone else is wrong and isn't that just too bad for them." Think of it instead as "We have found something of immense value - that thing that every person is longing for their whole life long - and we want to share it with you! However, it's only found in its fullest and complete form in one place, and it may feel foreign at first, but in it you will find all the peace, joy, and fulfillment that you could hope for. so feel free to come home!" To wrap up, I will give you what The Church has to say about the matter, directly from the Church's mouth as written in the Catechism: "“Outside the Church there is no salvation” 846- How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: (161; 1257) Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. 847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience-those too may achieve eternal salvation. 848 “Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men.” (1260)" Catholic Church. (2000). Catechism of the Catholic Church (2nd Ed., pp. 224-225). Washington, DC: United States Catholic Conference.
+Sergio Morales And of course belief in Jesus is totally irrelevant, since the Pope says atheists and Muslims will be in Heaven. Heck if you can't trust a guy who says eating a Hamburger on Friday is a bad sin, who can you trust?
"No man can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him" John 6:44 We give ourselves far too much credit and assume far more control than we actually have. When you recognize your own limitations..when you see how very small you actually are you might find yourself involuntarily calling out to God and spontaneously worshipful
lol pagan transubstantiaton A ROMAN MIRACLE A pretty maid, a Protestant, was to a Catholic wed; To love all Bible truths and tales, quite early she's been bred. It sorely grieved her husband's heart that she would not comply, And join the Mother Church of Rome and heretics deny. So day by day he flattered her, but still she saw no good Would ever come from bowing down to idols made of wood. The Mass, the host, the miracles, were made but to deceive; And transubstantiation, too, she'd never dare believe. He went to see his clergyman and told him his sad tale. "My wife is an unbeliever, sir; you can perhaps prevail; For all your Romish miracles my wife has strong aversion, To really work a miracle may lead to her conversion." The priest went with the gentleman-he thought to gain a prize. He said, "I will convert her, sir, and open both her eyes." So when they came into the house, the husband loudly cried, The priest has come to dine with us!" “He's welcome," she replied. And when, at last. the meal was o'er, the priest at once began, To teach his hostess all about the sinful state of man; The greatness of our Savior's love, which Christians can't deny, To give Himself a sacrifice and for our sins to die. "I will return tomorrow, lass, prepare some bread and wine; The sacramental miracle will stop your soul's decline." "I'll bake the bread," the lady said. “You may," he did reply, "And when you've seen this miracle, convinced you'll be, say I." The priest did come accordingly, the bread and wine did bless. The lady asked, “Sir, is it changed?" The priest answered, "Yes. It's changed from common bread and wine to truly flesh and blood; Begorra, lass, this power of mine has changed it into God!" So having blessed the bread and wine, to eat they did prepare. The lady said unto the priest. “I warn you to take care, For half an ounce of arsenic was mixed right in the batter, But since you have its nature changed, it cannot really matter." The priest was struck real dumb-he looked as pale as death. The bread and wine fell from his hands and he did gasp for breath. "Bring me my horse!" the priest cried, "This is a cursed home!" The lady replied, “Begone; tis you who shares the curse of Rome." The husband, too, he sat surprised, and not a word did say. At length he spoke, “My dear," said he, “the priest has run away; To gulp such mummery and tripe, I'm not for sure, quite able; I'll go with you and we'll renounce this Roman Catholic fable."
Good Catholics are good, friendly people. Bad Catholics are horrible, evil people. This can be said of all Christian sects but Catholics are at the extreme. I've never been evangelized to by a Catholic even though they were all around me in school, work, and in my family. I will never praise a person (i.e. Pope) to the level of being infallible and higher than other people in the eyes of God. I have heard both good and bad sermons by Catholic priests. The praising of Mary is not commanded in The Bible and Satan uses that to take the attention off of Jesus.
you're right Steve, praising of Mary is "not commanded" in the Bible, but was requested John 9:27 "Then He said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home." would you ever praise your own mum? and again, you're right Steve, the devil "uses that to take the attention off of Jesus." Mary doesn't John 2:5 "His mother said to the servants, "Do whatever He tells you." "
Also, Papal infallibility only applies to faith and morals, otherwise the Pope is just as human as we are. The Bible itself shows proof of it. Two of Peter’s letters are in the Bible. That means that God must have kept Peter from making errors when he wrote them.
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THE INTELLIGENCE OF DR. SCOTT SCARES ME, LIKE HE IS AN ANGEL SENT TO THIS GENERATION. HE IS SO ELOQUENT.
that is what is known as a very health 'scare'..
I believe most smart folk would define it as 'awe'
PAT ALEX So true. His books are even better. What a testimony of the Catholic faith.
***** good to know. I will be praying for him and his family. thanks for the information
+Zach Bean You do know that salvation has nothing to do with IQ, right?
+Zach Bean I suppose that your IQ expanding is good, but wouldn't it be better to increase your spiritual wisdom?
I love the Catholic Church. Thanks Lord Jesus. We are one with you
My highest praises. Dr. Scott Hahn is an excellent speaker full of knowledge not only of the Catholic Church but many other topics. You will appreciate everything he has to say even more the books he has written. The Church needs more people like him. God Bless him. Thanks for posting.
Dr. Hahn I really thank the Lord for your life. Your teachings clearly opens my mind to the truths about the immense Love of God through the Eucharist. How I wish you could come to the Philippines. Thank you very much and may God bless you with long life and best of health.
Joseph Chang yeah, we need him in the Phil
I know Scott Hahn is sent from heaven. Though he was in the Presbyterian church before. I like the way God used him..God Bless you!
The Beauty of Scott Hahn is that he comes from a background of scriptural study which cradle Catholics often ignore due to giving more attention to the New Testament This is often the case with converts to the faith and they often are brilliantly useful in the church and in this case he's a real treasure
I used to be a cradle Catholic. I finally took the teachings of the Catholic Church more seriously thanks to people like Scott Hahn.
@@Powerranger-le4up same here.
*"Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread"* ~ 1 Corinthians 10:17 ☝🏽
Amazing. Wow. God bless Dr. Scott Hahn.
His love for the Lord is really so admiring. It's so beautiful and I can feel and understand God's love. God is amazing.
Jesus said, "I will be with you even till the end." (Holy Eucharist)
Holy Spirit
Both.Two are one.
@@J-PLeigh8409 Holy spirit is not Jesus.
@@michalfric5477 who said it was?
Only the Holy Spirit directs us to the catholic church. No catholic has ever evangelized me, but for the last 1.5yr, the Holy Spirit has evangelized me about the catholic Church being the Apostolic church. I attended the Easter Vigil this year, I have attended mass once, & I felt a heavenly worship in the book of Revelation. The golden articles reflecting the dream temple that Isreal defiled but Yahweh restored in His Son & the new Jerusalem temple to come. God bless the catholic church.Amen
Catholic faith is wonderful!
Remember Dr Scott Hahn was a great Pentecostal preacher who had a massive intense dislike of the Catholic faith.
For him becoming a Catholic would have been almost for him and for those who knew him as impossible to comprehend.
Protestants may not believe what he is saying but it is impossible to say now he is a Catholic that he is no longer a Christian.
Dr Scott Hahn's testimony is very powerful.
+Michael John Foster You: "Protestants may not believe what he is saying but it is impossible to say now he is a Catholic that he is no longer a Christian."
Huh?
+Tim Spangler No one is saying that he is not a Christian. We are saying though that he is part of the false Catholic system.
That's all false history. None of that is provable by history books or the bible. The Catholic church went back and filled in it's own history many years later.
aerodave1 that's actually what the Protestants did. They rewrote their own history. That's why they all believe different doctrine and many have no idea what the Apostles or Nicene Creed say.
You're rationalizing, aerodave.
Dr. Scott Hahn helped me to understand the beauty of my Catholic faith.
You can watch steve ray also check his video
He is one of the reasons why I know now, that I am really home.Thank you very much! 3 Hail Marys for you Scott!
thank God intelligent and anointed person to enlighten the fallen catholic to return to the catholic faith
Scott Hahn's talks are like poetry.
Thank you Dr. Hahn. Fellow Younglifer here, yet still, and always will be, Catholic. 🙂🙏
So refreshing. Dr. Hahn is one of the few voices of reason out there.
+BendyBus Song He's leading people astray. As you study the bible you will find that the whole Catholic system is a counterfeit of Jesus' real system. I asked him in person about why the Catholic church ignores the fourth commandment about honoring the Sabbath and he wouldn't answer my question. I met him twice in person. He doesn't know the answers when asked basic questions. There are much more knowledgeable people out there than Scott Hahn. Try Doug Batchelor or Walter Vieth. They are much more scripturally based than Scott Hahn is.
aerodave1 I'm pretty sure that Granite Bay Church and the Seventh Day Adventist church are not the ones that Jesus established, so no thanks.
+BendyBus Song Not the church building, silly. The original Christian true church, the one holding to ALL God's commandments and the testimony of Jesus is the one mentioned in Revelation 12:17. The Catholic Church does not meet those qualifications since they don't follow all of the Ten Commandments and they twist Jesus' testimony (ex. baptism, grace, immortal soul, etc.)
aerodave1 Sorry, but you are incorrect here. If you study history, you will discover that the Church Jesus established is in fact the Catholic Church. He said the gates of hell will never prevail against it (the church he established). So any "church" that was founded or invented after Jesus died is not the one He established. The Bible says that the Church is the pillar and foundation of the Truth. Which Church? The one that the author of Timothy was a member of. The one the Apostles were members of. The same Apostles that Jesus taught.
And, you are right, the Church is not just a building. The Church is a living entity established by Jesus Christ, recognizable and visible down through the ages. Not invisible, amorphous, and unrecognizable. Not hidden, not buried, not comatose for 1500 years and subsequently resurrected and reformed. But like a city on a hill, just as Jesus said, from the beginning. Why? Because knowledge of the gospel is necessary for salvation and God wants all to come to heaven.
***** We worship God on Sundays because that's when Jesus was resurrected. The resurrected Christ is absolutely central to Christianity. So that's the day we celebrate, every Sunday being a mini Easter. It makes sense to me! Although we certainly could worship God on a Saturday as well, and the Catholic Church does! :))
Let's not strain at gnats and swallow camels, right, lol!
God bless Scott Hahn
Being a Pianist in a Catholic Church from 1997 to 2003 in the Philippines. 2007 to present at Norther California Catholic Churches. Paying attention to Priests and response with music. This is the simpliest way to understand that Revelation 15 talks about the Holy Catholic Church. Because of the what the Priest say during the mass it is easy to understand that It was in the Revelation 15.
Observe the mass and listen what the Priest says especially when priest says " Churches spread over the world".
It seems paralell on what John saw "Then I saw something like a sea of glass mingled with fire.* On the sea of glass were standing those who had won the victory over the beast and its image and the number that signified its name. They were holding God’s harps.
It was how we celebrate mass from the start to finish was filled with music.
My left ear is holier thanks to this video.
Yoo funi
Jacob Hoss So my headset is not broken after all. Thanks.
No, I just couldn't be bothered 'demuxing' etc, then deleting this thread and starting a new one, and at least this way the right ear is open to more discernment :-)
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Moved to tears, to think my relatives and friends in Heaven are worshipping at the perpetual Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in Heaven!!!
Our Blessed LORD truly does work in Wonderful and Miraculous ways.. As I see it, Our LORD used the zeal of Dr Hahn as a Protestant and then placed that zeal (Dr Hahn) into His One, Holy and Apostolic Church..! Praise The LORD our God.. Thanks be to God..
Ave Maria..
Hi , thank you for all you do! I have learned a lot about my faith from you.
Jesus said, "do this in memory of Me."
Gary Jacobi Sr. If this a Protestant argument, look into the meaning of the word “memory/remembrance” and what the Jews understood by it. Very different from the modern use
Remembrance, yes ☝🏽 but ... Jesus said, *“Drink of it, all of you; for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS" - Matthew **26:27**-28* This sacrifice doesn't sound like to me merely a thanksgiving sacrifice just for remembrance. It deals with *"forgiveness of sins !"*
And if we have a High Priest always in heaven interceding, it makes perfect sense, we must have CONTINUAL SACRIFICES as well. For if there are no sacrifices then that means we are sinless, and don't need of a priest 🤷🏽♂️ Logic talk
What a beautiful mind
the more I read about what the earliest church fathers believed in regards to the Eucharist, mass, baptism, justification etc the more I'm starting to see what the Catholic church has continued to teach up until today.
The Mormons and JW's both believe in an apostasy that happened after Christ's death and that His word needed to be restored. As a protestant one has to agree with the cults in regards to errors in doctrine out of the gate or agree with what the successors of the apostles taught in regards to these subjects which would be contrary to what the reformers believe. It seems that if an apostasy happened right after Jesus' death then Christ's words to his apostles were very misleading, only to be put right 1500 years later.
This seems to leave me with 2 logical choices. Either I follow and believe what the early church fathers taught dogmatically or I don't believe in any of it at all.
Joe,
Tim has a definition of worship that he has not shared. Webster's is below. He's been shown that Catholic's at Mass offered worship to the Lord, including his Real Presence in the Eucharist. Prayers, respect, admiration, ritual etc. were all part of the mass. What he really objects to is the absence of the word "worship". So he says one thing, but means actually, another.
Definition of worship
1
chiefly British : a person of importance -used as a title for various officials (as magistrates and some mayors)
2
: reverence offered a divine being or supernatural power; also : an act of expressing such reverence
3
: a form of religious practice with its creed and ritual
4
: extravagant respect or admiration for or devotion to an object of esteem
You do realize I hope that the Protestant Reformation was a reaction to the Catholic church going off message from what Jesus taught in the gospels. The Catholic church today is nothing like what the early Christians believed and taught. Or Jesus and the apostles for that matter.
"The Catholic church today is nothing like what the early Christians believed and taught. "
OK, so evidence from you is needed.
Please cite a reference from those early Christian writings that the New Testament Canon was 27 books. Do you believe that these early Christians were infallible in their pronouncement?
Similarly, those same Christians, professed that the Old Testament contained how many books? Again, please cite a reference to those early Church writings.
Same to AeroDave, provide evidence that those early Christians interpreted your version of scripture on the 16th doctrines of: faith alone, sola scriptura, baptism was symbolic only, baptism should be delayed to the age of reason and that the Eucharist is symbolic only.
Let see your evidence for what those early Christians believed.
Were they Catholic OR Protestant in what they believed and taught?
The only difference in the 'Message' is the vernacular, the "Message" is the same now as it was then.
Some left to 'Reform', while others stayed to "Restore".
The Message has NEVER changed.
se7ve7ns The faith was given once for all to the Saints, affirmed in both oral Tradition and in writ (which itself is Tradition put to writ but not all of it)
That's why we know for certain that baptism is salvific and that the Eucharist truly is the resurrected Body and Blood of Christ.
This has never changed despite errant Catholic's in the 16th c who professed otherwise, who didn't even agree with each other, and had no authority to change the
"Message"
CATHOLIC CHURCH = CHURCH OF GOD. You may cry, that won´t change.
Where does it say that in the bible??? It doesn't!
aerodave1 where does it either say it is not? But catholic essentially meant embracing ALL teachings that is why on the great commission Matthew 28:20 and teaching them to obey everything (ALL) I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." - so in the last verse is why until today Catholic still here since 2000 years! Try to trace your beliefs through history and I’m sure it will not reach back 2000 years ago and therefore that is the proof that your church is just another sect among other sects.
@@tatoon34 Matthew 28:20 is not talking about Catholics. It is talking about Christians in general. My church goes back even BEFORE the Catholic church was created. The original group of Christians in the first 300 years.
@@karenpierce6424 What single pronoun are you referring to?
@@karenpierce6424 What is a troll? I'm trying to reach people like you who have never read the bible.
At the last supper Jesus blessed and broke the bread and said this is my body
Likewise he blessed the wine and state this is my blood
That is the mass
The Mass is not in the bible. It is a man-mad ritual. With communion the bible is talking about symbolic bread and blood, not real bread and blood. It is done in memory of Him. We are told not to eat or drink blood in the bible. Also, the Catholic church uses alcohol to represent Jesus' blood. Alcohol represents sin in the bible. Jesus drank non-alcoholic grape juice at His meals.
Dr hahn you're great.
Could you and Matthew please do a bible study series on the book of revelation
The End: A Study Of The Book Of Revelation
Book and/or CD
www.amazon.com/End-Book-Revelations-Scott-Hahn/dp/B074R56RFK
Thank you Dr. Hahn. My little brain cannot fully comprehend all the biblical and scriptural contexts of the Holy Mass which you explain. It is far too deep and spiritually mysterious for a layman. May God bless you with greater wisdom to enable you to bring us closer to God and closer to the beauty of the teachings of the faith.
Simple fact is that Christ instituted one church and gave it his own perpetual authority to bind and loose on Earth what would be bound and loosed in heaven and promised his permanent presence in that church All other denominations were produced by men for various reasons often political other times personal The church is where the sacraments are dispensed by the authority of the founder himself when he was present on Earth They hold the christ given authority that can't be self appointed by men Christ himself recognised the authority of the old priesthood even when it was a corrupt one After curing the lepers he said go and show yourselves to the priest and make the offering ie their equivalent of confession
MIRACLE - 3.00 pm. 04-04-2018 - This Writer had been pining for months to resolve one important work in hand but to no avail. And without losing hope, still kept trying to get the job done. The job at hand is not being revealed but it is important to reveal the outcome that, immediately after the short script in praise of Virgin Mary as placed below was completed - Friends and Roman Catholics all - Praise the Lord - the particular job in hand pending for months and over which much perspiration shed, was got done even without this person realizing that it was all done and - imagine a miracle even without one knowing it at all. All praise and glory be showered on the Mother of our Lord Jesus Christ because this success literally revealed the power of the Virgin Mary as the Most Powerful among all women and the Virgin of all graces.
So here below is placed the note written by this Writer - All Praise to God Almighty - All Praise to the Lord - Praise to Virgin Mary and in unison to all angels and saints in the unity of the Holy Spirit - One God for ever and ever and for all times to come.
Hail Mary - Full of Grace - The Lord is with you …. Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death - Amen and be it so.
We, Catholics the world over worship her - yes we do, and adore her for what she was, is and will ever be for eternity. We praise her and fall in adoration of the Mother of the Most High, the Virgin of Virgins and the Star of the Sea of Angels, who were created by God Almighty Himself in order that our redemption should have become a reality. As such, it was because of her, the Virgin Mary and the virgin of virgins that Jesus Christ attained the flesh of her flesh and blood of her blood to have been adored as the son of God the Father and through Power of the Holy Spirit. As such, she becomes the Mother of our God and empowered by her only Son to be worshipped as our Mother and the conceiver of the fruit of our redemption.
Worshiping the Mother of God would amount to adoring the Supreme Creator and the Redeemer of mankind because it was in her that our Lord Jesus Christ was conceived and in her that we attained the gift of our redemption. Just as Jesus Christ cannot be separated from God the Father Almighty and the Holiest of the Holy Spirit, so too Virgin Mary cannot be placed apart from her son to be slighted by humanity.
Virgin Mary, in this manner has become worthy of our praise and our glory for now and for all times to come.
Hail Mary, the Virgin of Virgins, the Mother of the Most High, the Redeemer of mankind we fall on bended knee now and for all times to come.
Vinod Sailes
Hallelujah and Amen xx
The focal point of the Catholic place of worship is the sacrificial altar, just as it was in the Jewish temple until its destruction by the Romans in 70 A.D. Old wine cannot be put into new wineskins. In Protestantism, the focal point of worship is the pulpit. How strange.
Yes, because the sacrifices were ordered to stop when Jesus died. That's why we don't need an altar anymore.
But Christ's sacrifice continues in an unbloodied manner. Only his physical suffering and death are relegated to the past. Jesus has entered the sanctuary of heaven to offer a perpetual sacrifice to the Father for the sins of the world (Heb. 7:27; 9:12, 15, 22-24). Jesus appears before the Father as the slain paschal Lamb (Heb 4:16). Jesus is both High Priest and Victim. The blood of the New Covenant fulfills that of the Old Covenant. Only the Levitical sacrifices have ended. Jesus is High Priest in the order of Melchizedek. The consecrated bread and wine become his body and blood (Gen 14:18-20; Ps 110:4). His sacrifice is eternal, as his offering of himself to the father is perpetual. John witnesses the heavenly liturgy on Sunday, the Lord's day, which is a Catholic holy day of obligation for attending Mass on earth (Rev 1:10). There are lampstands or Menorahs in heaven. These have always been used in the Holy Mass of the Church on earth (Rev 1:12; 2:5). Jesus is clothed as High Priest. Our priests also clothe themselves in vestments and personate Christ in offering His sacrifice in the Holy Mass on earth (Rev 1:13; 4:4, 6:11, 7:9, 15:6, 19:13-14 ). There is a penitential rite in heaven which is also part of the liturgy of the Holy Mass on earth (Rev. 2:5,16,21; 3:3; 16:11). There is manna in heaven given to the faithful. This is the same as the Eucharistic manna given to the faithful at the Holy Mass on earth (Rev. 2:17). There are priests ("presbyteroi") in heaven. Priests offer sacrifice. Our earthly priests participate with the heavenly priests in offering Jesus' eternal sacrifice in the Holy Mass on earth (Rev. 4:4, 5:14; 11:16, 14:3, 19:4). Heaven's liturgical chant "Holy, Holy, Holy" is the same that is used in the liturgy of the Holy Mass on earth ( Rev. 4:8). The various antiphonal chants in the heavenly liturgy are similar to those used at the Holy Mass on earth ( Rev. 4:8-11, 5:9-14, 7:10-12, 18:1-8). There is a book or scroll of God's word in heaven. This is reflected in the Liturgy of the Word at the Holy Mass on earth (Rev. 5:1). Heaven's description of Jesus as the "Lamb" is the same as the description of Jesus as the Lamb of God in the Eucharistic liturgy of the Holy Mass on earth ( Rev. 5:6). Heaven's emphasis on the intercession of the saints is the same as the Holy Mass on earth (Rev. 5:8, 6:9-11, 8:3-4). There is incense in heaven which has always been part of the liturgy of the Holy Mass on earth ( Rev. 5:8, 8:3-4). Heaven's concluding liturgical prayer "Amen" is the same as is used at the Holy Mass on earth (Rev. 5:14; 7:12; 19:4). There are chalices (or bowls) in the heavenly liturgy. This is like the chalices used to offer Christ's sacrifice in the Holy Mass on earth (Rev. 15:7, 16:1-4,8,10,12,17; 21:9) There is an altar in heaven. But no altar is needed unless a sacrifice is being offered in heaven. This is the same sacrifice that is offered on the altars used in the Holy Masses on earth (Rev. 8:3, 11:1, 14:18, 16:7). There is a tent or tabernacle in heaven. Tabernacles are used to store the Eucharist at the Holy Mass on earth (Rev. 15:5). The consummation of the Lamb at heaven's marriage supper is the same as the Lamb's supper in the Holy Mass on earth (Rev. 17, 19:9).
Proof from sacred Tradition
"They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again."
St. Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to Smyrnaeans, 7,1 (c. A.D. 110)
"For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh."
St. Justin Martyr, First Apology, 66 (c. A.D. 110-165)
"But what consistency is there in those who hold that the bread over which thanks have been given is the Body of their Lord, and the cup His Blood, if they do not acknowledge that He is the Son of the Creator of the world..."
St. Irenaeus, Against Heresies, IV:18, 2 (c. A.D. 200)
One holy sacrifice of the Mass is infinitely more pleasing to the Father than all Protestant services combined in all of history. It is the greatest act of worship we can offer to God. Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets - not abolish them.
Please read The Biblical Basis for the Eucharist, John Salza; The Biblical Roots of the Mass, Thomas J Nash.
Aerodave... If we don't need an altar anymore why exactly is there one in Heaven ( cf Rev 8:3, 8:5, et al)
An altar is a place of sacrifice. If there is no altar there can be no sacrifice. If there is no Sacrifice then there is no need of a High Priest yet Scripture says Jesus is the High Priest ( Hebrews 4:14-16).
What gives?
The altar Rev 8 is talking about is the altar of incense. It is symbolic and represents the prayers of the saints (us), not an altar of sacrifice. Jesus is our high priest but He is not doing sacrifices. We don't need an altar for sacrifices anymore. The Catholic church still uses an Earthly altar with a priest and sacrifices Jesus' body and blood every week. They say it is the REAL body and blood which makes it worse. Also, they use alcohol, which is a poison to the body, to represent Jesus' blood instead of the grape juice that the verse says they used. Leavened bread as well as fermented alcohol both represent sin in the Jewish culture. Jesus was sinless and they still use alcohol to represent His blood. They also have Jesus hanging on a cross which represents perpetual sacrifice. They are constantly sacrificing Him every week.
Yes, Jesus is the focus of Catholicism, and men and their personal opinions are the focus of protestantism.
Thank you very much for beautiful explanation of the HOLY EUCHARIST.
Seventh-day Adventist Church - Founders
Ellen G. White
James Springer White
Joseph Bates
J. N. Andrews All self appointed no Authority at all same with all the other self appointed denominations some bordering on the comical if it were not so tragic
Just a heads up: EWTN doesn't stand for Seventh Day Adventist! Not certain why you think it does!
Ellen White is not the founder of the Seventh Day Adventist church. She was a Christian writer who is actually the most published and successful female writer of all time.
I just want to jump and swim in mr Hahn's teaching on the Eucharist and the Mass.
pdanoe By becoming Catholic, you can. I am Catholic myself and I adore the Eucharist and the Mass because of it.
"...richly textured with the old and the new..."
The mass can be ritual, and not fully envelop the believing Catholic or the baptized and non believing Catholic. It is the still the Body and Blood, but as Paul writes of some: not discerning the Body. The Ritual ---Ritualism distinction is very good.
The early believers broke bread daily from house to house.The 4 things early believers did was apostles doctrines breaking bread daily from house to house fellowship and prayer healing the sick and preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ.Only believers go to Paradise.Denomination and all religions is mans way to god but god’s word say that Jesus is the only way.No Catholic or Protestant will go to heaven as only believers go to heaven as god’s word says John 3:16 Acts 16:31 Mark 16:16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved.What hinders you from being baptized and baptism was always full immersion and happens immediately after believing?
The bread and wine was the new covenent of not the sacrifice of animals .but of a righteous man the new high priest . His body is same as our bodies and his blood is our blood. He partook of the same flesh and blood as us. He is in a glorified body in heaven. 24 elders not bishops they redeemed jews. 144000 who are They. The brass serpent was the sacrifice ,but it was a Idol and Hezekiah destroyed it. Therefore jesus knew This and used the bread and wine as a agape meal of Unity. The lords prayer is same.
the very word "God"said is an example that it is inspired by the holy spirit.
anything pointing to the creator could be inspired.
Remember that for the first 300 years or so Catholic meant "universal", and was not a physical church. The early church fathers were speaking of the universal group of Christians, not a church. As in the universal church of Christians. Later on, in the 300's and 400's when the Roman Catholic church was created, the definition was changed in practical use to mean the Roman Catholic church. Just as the early bishops of the church were not popes until the Catholic church went back retroactively and called them popes. Constantine changed the Christian world by merging the pagans with the Christians to form a new organizational church which became the Roman Catholic church that we know today. It didn't exist before that. Bottom line is that the early Catholic (universal) church is not the same one as the later Roman Catholic church.
aerodave1 I’ve checked the Church Fathers. The Catholic Church still exists.
Powerranger6342 Yes it does.
You realize around the same time the reformation was occurring La Virgin de Guadalupe appeared to Juan Diego and most of Mexico was converted to Catholicism? About the same number people leaving the Catholic Church were almost immediately replaced within 50 years. The Catholic Church did need reform and it failed many which is why they left, but bickering among each other is not productive or beneficial. Please, pray that God forgives you for trying to take people away from Him and causing division and strife. Move on. Be kind. Be a true reflection of Christ to those around you.
@@roxanardh I am NOT trying to take people away from God, I am trying to bring more people to Him. I'm trying to get people out of the false Satan backed religion that is the Catholic church. I was in the church for 40 years and I saw many wrong teachings. Just the fact that they pray to the dead (Mary) is totally against Jesus' teaching.
@@aerodave1 Maybe you should learn where, when and why you're not welcome and when, where and why you are welcome. Learn to stay where you're wanted and welcome. It's better for everyone involved!
These arguments always deter people from becoming Christians , we lead people away from Christ by constant belittling each other's belief and how we come to Jesus in personal faith.I am no longer participating in any dialogue in this video.
Anyone addressing me for clarication on my belief listen to Scott Hahn he has adressed it all already.
St Francis had the best:
"Do all you can to preach the gospel and if necessary use words!'
How does one know and trust that all 27 books of the New Testament are God's Written Word, Inspired and Inerrant, and that no books have been left out that are?
JMJ
You can 'know and trust' ALL 27 Books, esp those of Catholic origin because that have all the books (Old and New) since about 367 AD, St. Athanasius came up with a list of 73 books for the Bible that he believed to be divinely inspired. This list was finally approved by Pope Damasus I in 382 AD, and was formally approved by the Church Council of Rome in that same year.
There are books 'left out', that anyone can find if they want, nothing is 'hidden' from the faithful.... but ... like the parables gave the people and explanations to the Apostles. (unlike the 7books removed in the some Protestant bibles which were an attempt to 'hide' a history of 'works' and 'Purgatory')
BUT, tread with the Lord first (pray, as you would n should in everything you do), there a bibles out there, eg JW that altered the Bible by tiny things like in Luke 2 calling Jesus an 'it' instead of 'Child', and in John 'and the word was with 'a' god', suggesting more than One God...
anyway... enough said... "...faith without works is useless..." James 2:17
keep up the 'works' and seek, knock n ask everything about your 'faith'
and God Bless :-)
Because Rome has spoken. Case close. As the Bible says, "the Church is the pillar of Truth", and guided to all truth by the Truth Himself (Jesus Christ)
God Bless Brother. Mother of Carmel-Pray for us...
se7ve7ns small correction. St.Athanasius did come up with 27 books of NT. But he got OT wrong.
Lenka Babíková Lenka,
I'm curious....
How was he wrong on the OT?
How do you know that he got the NT right?
Church fathers same as the oral law of the rabbinical schools against the written law of follower's of the new covenant.
Oh Bible believers must Never have any dislike for any human being made in GOD's very image (Genesis 1 Verse 26). Thank GOD in 1996 i came to CHRIST n Only CHRIST as My Only Saviour in order to go to Our Heavenly Father(John 14 Verse 6) n left the 💒 of rome n Praise GOD i have been Worshipping GOD in Holy Bible Based ⛪⛪ since then n with The Help of GOD The Holy Spirit, i have led many many many dear brethren from the roman 💒 into Bible based ⛪⛪⛪. Praise GOD👏👏👏👏👏
Lucifer will never stop attacking. He will use every weapon of hate he has, every angle he has to destroy God's Church and to steal as many souls from God and bring them to his Kingdom of Despair Below... He is a very real entity and not a METAPHOR as many modernists would have you believe. He shall fail as the Gates of Hell will never prevail…
That is why she has been attacked over and over again from the outside and from within for 2000 years...
For She is the Bride of Christ and not of the world. She belongs to Christ. THE ONE TRUE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH, TRUE ISRAEL!
Ephesians 5:25-29
John 15: 17-19
+aerodave1 What you say about the power to bind and loose is incorrect. It is not the power to accept Christ or not accept Christ. That power is everyone's, but King Jesus gave only the Apostles the power to bind and loose (aka open and shut). This is rabbinic language indicating authority to say what's allowed and not allowed. It means those men had kingly authority to lead/teach/guard/discipline the inhabitants of the kingdom. The Apostles were the first bishops of the fledgeling Church which Jesus built. The Church is the restored/renewed Davidic kingdom of God (aka kingdom of Israel, kingdom of yahweh, kingdom of Heaven. See Samuels, Kings, Chronicles, Psalms, Gospels). That dynastic kingdom featured a body of men to administer the kingdom for the king and King Jesus established the Apostles to be the new ministers, called bishops in the KJV of the the Bible. They, and by extension their successors, have the authority to shepherd the flock of Jesus on earth.
+AmericanBerean That's not exactly correct. I think you misunderstood what I said about binding and loosing. Binding and loosing souls here on Earth also has the same effect in Heaven. That's what it means. If you win or lose a soul here on Earth, you will win or lose the soul for Heaven. In other words, whatever decision someone makes here on Earth will effect them in Heaven. You will either be there or you won't.
Jesus told the apostles to go forth and distribute His teachings to the world. Not to create their own church, the Catholic church. Nowhere does it say in the bible to create the Catholic church.
aerodave1 What you say in your first paragraph is true on a general level. But the primary meaning is in rabbinic authority as leaders of God's kingdom on earth, to lead/teach/guard/discipline God's people on earth.
Your second paragraph misses the mark. Jesus actually founded His Church on the foundation of the Apostles (Ephesians). His Church is a visible society, as well as a spiritual association, with obvious leaders known as bishops (as the Apostles, and their successors are called in Scripture, KJV). The bishops spread the Faith, growing the Church which Jesus founded. Even in the early 2nd century, the one, holy, apostolic Church was known as the "catholic" Church, to differentiate it from heretical sects which began to crop up. Ignatius, the bishop of Antioch after Peter, said "See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." -Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Ch 8
The Catholic Church is grounded in Apostolic times. Your church originates 500 years ago.
+AmericanBerean Did your church always teach that Mary is "Co-Redemptrix" or "Mediatrix"?
Tim Spangler Yes, in essence, though not necessarily in those terms explicitly.
+AmericanBerean Papal BULL
Warning from your creator.
“They say God most
gracious Has begotten a son !Indeed you have put
forth a thing most monstrous !At it the skies are
ready to burstThe earth to split asunder , And the mountains to fall down
In utter ruin.
That they should invoke A son for God,
Most gracious.
For it is not
consonant with the majesty of GodMost gracious that
he should beget a son. (H.Q 19:88-92)
It appears the writer of the Qur'an thinks Christians ever held a 'God having a baby' theology (because it implies God would need a consort/wife! Understand how terrible a misunderstanding of Christian that is!) . Which isn't true at all.
The Bible is clear, Jesus is the Word of God, the image of God, the very figure of His substance (in His divine nature), His 'Son'. He is called Son because He is of exactly the same nature and essence as God. Not separate. He is definitional to God. Not another separate God. Hence, He is said to be distinct ("with God") but in fact, since He is of the one nature with the Father, "God".
We don't say He has only now begotten a Son. And even then, "Son" is metaphorical. Son refers to the ETERNAL Son of God (hence never not existing). Since before the heavens and the earth existed, the Bible clearly says God made all things by His Son. Jesus says He is "THE Son" and then says, "Now Father, glorify Me with the glory I had with you BEFORE THE WORLD EXISTED".
Muhammad or whoever wrote the Qur'an wants you to believe that the Gospel is corrupted so badly, yet even the most liberal scholars and atheists will admit that the original message was not compatible with Muhammad's novel teachings which contradict both the New Testament, and the Torah. Entirely. Fundamentally.
Brother, if you knew the Faith that has been veiled in modern times, truly, you would be happy! But alas, no one lives it, everyone mocks it.
The Gospel, properly understood, is beautiful and preserves the Sovereignty of the one God, while revealing that God's nature is triune. Note that I said God's nature. The one God's nature. Muslims are under the impression that when they hear "three" that means three Gods. (since the Qur'an says directly after "say not three" that "for Allah is one God" or something to that effect).
The Jesus of the Bible is superior to the false 600-year-late made up Jesus, not the Jesus of history.
Have you ever noticed that the Qur'an seems to be more of a rebuttal of Christianity's core doctrines?
Bukhari 8:73:224
"Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, 'The most awful name in Allah's sight on the Day of Resurrection, will be (that of) a man calling himself Malik Al-Amlak (the king of kings).'"
Revelation 19:16
"On his [Jesus'] robe at his thigh was written this title: King of Kings and Lord of Lords."
1 Timothy 6:14-15
"to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, which God will bring about in his own time-God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords,"
Why does Allah hate Jesus, or hate God?
I am becoming an Orthodox Catholic.
tfw audio is completely off balance
Really doesnt matter if anyone can have a massive dislike for anyone or for any religion n change. Why? people's views n values change. I changed my view of roman catholicism after 24yrs blindly obeying my 'priest' n in what he taught, till 1996, i read the bible on my own n found much of what he taught was not according to what The Holy Bible Taught! Eg GOD's Salvation. please read Ephesians Chapter 2 Verses 8 n 9. Thank GOD ever since then, i have been Worshipping GOD in Prosentant Holy Bible WORD Based Churches n Praise GOD in CHRIST i have Witnessed to many many many roman catholics from the holy bible n many many many have left the 💒 of rome n came Home to CHRIST n Only CHRIST in Prostestant Churches👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
As a Catholic, I worship Christ, not the Bible.
I worship Christ daily, in His Church, during Holy Mass in the Liturgy of the Word, and obey His request in the Liturgy of the Holy Eucharist He left for me consume.
I "protest" about things in our Church, but, never enough to leave Him!, like those first ' "Christian protestants' that left our Lord when they couldn't (or wouldn't) understand Him (John: (appropriately) 6:66) ... (Note: thes 'first' Christian protestants were with the God of all Creation, in His Presence ... isn't that amazingly bewildering?)
While tens of thousands of Protestants come home to the Catholic Church once they realize that the Catholic Church was established by Christ and that our teachings can be found in the Bible.
I read the Bible on my own and discovered protestant theology was unbiblical, unhistorical and philosophically incoherent.
Which protestant church? Cause they are many and being born every day! Even as am writing another new and 'different' protestant church is emerging somewhere! Confusion at its core.
The bible says that we don't need an altar for sacrifices anymore. The Catholic church still uses an Earthly altar with a priest and sacrifices Jesus' body and blood every week. They claim it is the REAL body and blood which makes it worse. Also, they use alcohol, which is a poison to the body, to represent Jesus' blood instead of the grape juice that the verse says they used. Leavened bread as well as fermented alcohol both represent sin in the Jewish culture. Jesus was sinless and they still use alcohol to represent His blood. They also have Jesus hanging on a cross which represents perpetual sacrifice. They are constantly re-sacrificing Him every week.
aerodave1 the first miracle of Christ was turning water into wine at a wedding. You just accused Christ of sinning. I hope that spouting your ridiculous Protestant heresy out loud helps you to realize how ridiculous what you are saying is.
I'm only speaking the truth. Jesus turned the water into FRESH wine which is actually grapejuice. The old wine is fermented that sits around until it is a poison to the body. Fermentation was a sign of sin in the Jewish culture. By saying that Jesus is making fermented wine, you are accusing Jesus of sinning.
aerodave1 you are a liar. Nowhere in Scripture does it state that the wine was fresh, only they it was better than the wine that was served before it. Your personal interpretation of Scripture is fundamentally irrelevant, because you are not a Christian.
The "good" wine is fresh wine. Fresh wine would not have time to ferment since it needs an aging process tin order to be fermented. It was created before it could ferment. Also, Jewish culture looked at fermentation as sin, just like they did with leavened bread. That's why they drank unfermented grape juice and ate unleavened bread.
Fermented wine in Greek is oinou
Unfermented wine in Greek is oinon
John 2:3 - And when they ran out of wine, the mother of Jesus said to Him, “They have no wine (oinou)
John 2:6-10 - Now there were set there six waterpots of stone, according to the manner of purification of the Jews, containing twenty or thirty gallons apiece. 7 Jesus said to them, “Fill the waterpots with water.” And they filled them up to the brim. 8 And He said to them, “Draw some out now, and take it to the master of the feast.” And they took it. 9 When the master of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine (oinon), and did not know where it came from (but the servants who had drawn the water knew, the master of the feast called the bridegroom. 10 And he said to him, “Every man at the beginning sets out the good wine (oinon), and when the guests have well drunk, then the inferior. You have kept the good wine (oinon) until now!”
aerodave1 you have revealed that you have no understanding of the Greek language. Greek is poetic, when a word appears more than once, it is usually spelled in at least two different ways. See the first two spellings of the name Jesus in Matthew.
Your argument is one of silly private interpretation of a language you cannot even read.
You are inserting this word "fresh" where it does not exist.
Why would anybody set out non alcoholic wine at the beginning? The good wine is the best tasting alcoholic wine. When the guests had become tipsy, the taste of the wine no longer mattered, thus they would bring out cheaper wine at the end. The master of the feast was commenting that the wine served at the end was superior to the first wine. This is a reference to the New Covenant's superiority to the Old through Christ.
Your views are Gnosticism, not Christianity. You are not permitted to form your own private opinion on the meaning of Scripture. 2 Peter 1:20. Since you have decidedto interpret Scripture for yourself, you have decided to form your own faith, contrary to that which Christ established and gave to us through the apostles. Thus, you are not Christian. Repent.
We could not keep the law of the Torah. Written by the finger of God. So jesus fulfilled the Torah not keeping new sacrements. Jesus prayed for unity. Thats the only pray. Jesus confirmed same in john chapter 17.
Unfortunately, much of 'the law of the Torah' was not 'written by the finger of God'
but by the finger of Moses.
as Christ clearly demonstrated when the example/explanation of 'divorce' was explained by Jesus as being appended by Moses due to 'the hardness of heart by men'.
@@vladimirivan1404 it actually says the 10words were written by the finger of God. Deuteronomy chapter 9 v 10; The divorce issue is another subject, the new covenent is different, the10 words would be written in our heart's,hence we have to be born anew.
Where is the Gospel in the RC?
RC???
Every day at Mass.
Every single day at mass we read the bible. Was this a real question???
WHAT IS THE PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE TO BOTH CATHOLIC AND PROTESTANT?
Let us now ask questions of paramount importance to both Roman Catholics and Protestants, and turn to this Catholic Bible for the answer: -
Let us turn to this Catholic Bible. We will find the answer in Hebrew 10: 11-12, 14,
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“And every priest indeed stands daily ministering and often offering the same sacrifice which can never take away sins”.
“But Jesus Christ, having offered one sacrifice for sins, has taken His seat forever at the right hand of God. For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are sanctified. Now where there is forgiveness, there is no longer offering for sin”.
And that sacrifice will never have to be offered again. Jesus Christ offered Himself as a sacrifice for your sins and mine.
God says it is “forever”. That “One Offering” is sufficient for the remission of sin”. Then there is no longer offering for sin”.
So then according to this Catholic Bible, it is vain and useless to offer a daily mass, since God says it “can never take away sins”.
IS THE SACRIFICE OF THE MASS STILL NECESSARY?
UGO DE CARLINI Yes, because Jesus to do it in memory of him.
It's come down to nowadays there's nothing of paramount importance to both! That's why we have such a high number of atheists and antagonists. They just get tired of the constant bickering and one upmanship between the "Christians."
Catholicism is indefensible...just read from Scripture (the highest Authority on Faith and practice)
and you will see The simplicity of the early church's worship and practice and ask yourself how did the church go from simplicity of worship to an elaborate liturgy and additional practices not found in the early church particularly from the book of Acts it has mutated into something not recognizable ....Scott Hahn should know better ...have him answer that question
Also the RC Church has been in free fall apostasy since Francis...it has even apostatized from its own standards....should have listened to the Reformers cause you certainly need them now
"Be not afraid"
this sort of protestantism's been happening since Judas
and His Church is still here.... and will be ... till the end of time.
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You mean the kind of Protestantism that wants some kind accountability of your church's crimes against humanity over millennia and its involvement with the Present New World Order ....and its involvement with Freemasonry and Babylonian religion that has overtaken your church from the start....I think Judas would be more proud of you than Protestantism
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He cried with a mighty voice, saying, "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, and has become a habitation of demons, and a prison of every unclean spirit, and a prison of every unclean and hateful bird!
He cried with a mighty voice, saying, "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, and has become a habitation of demons, and a prison of every unclean spirit, and a prison of every unclean and hateful bird! I heard another voice from heaven, saying, "Come forth, my people, out of her, that you have no participation in her sins, and that you don't receive of her plagues,
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1Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying [a]to me, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, 2with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.Rev17:1/2
Same theological arguments.the wisdom of Satan divide and conquer.
That "Lord have mercy" reference Matt 17 15 doesnt make sense. the Woman asks for Mercy and Jesus replies, "O u perverse Generation. How long must I stay w u." & to apostles, "everything is possible for u. you can move mountains." I love to pray but this one always seems wrong. psalm 123 was before jesus saved
The lies continue. The más as done by the RCC is nowhere to be found in the bible. For starters, where does the bible say that only a priest can do the mass? Where does the bible say that a priest has the power to bring Christ down onto the altar? If you can answer those two questions we might be able to discuss this topic.
Anyone can do the mass (outside of the church that is, Anna often do in black masses.) but only an ordained Catholic or Orthodox priest can consecrate the host because of the pentecost and subsequent laying of hands by non heretic ordained priests.
@@Kitiwake where does it say that in scripture. Jesus didn't put limitations on anybody that I know if. He said do this in remembrance of me. Where does it say only the priest. That was my original question. Where does it say that Jesus turned the bread and wine into body and blood. Did Jesus transubstantiate himself?
Do I have to be Roman Catholic to be saved? Is that still the teaching of "the church" or not?
Scott Weinmann Great question Scott. As a former Protestant who converted to Catholicism, I had the same question at one point and can sympathize with what can be and often is taken as an arrogant teaching of the Catholic Church. The reality is that this teaching is largely misunderstood. When stating the church's teaching we need to phrase it correctly. Otherwise, its meaning can become skewed and will misrepresent what the Church actually teaches. The teaching is that "outside the Church there is no salvation." The misunderstanding revolves around what is meant by "outside the Church." In our view as Catholics, other non-Catholic Christian denomination are not entirely outside the Church. We share a common baptism; and baptism is the Sacrament by which we are freed from sin, are born again (see John 3:1-5), and become members of Christ. It is by Baptism that we are incorporated into The Church and made to share in her mission. So non-Catholic Christians who share in this baptism are not outside the Church, though, they are also not fully in communion with the Catholic Church either. There is much to be gained by coming into full communion with the Catholic Church. I won't deny or downplay that. It was a great love for Jesus, for Sacred Scripture, and for Truth that compelled be to leave my Protestant roots and become Catholic and I have only grown deeper in my relationship with Jesus as a result. So when you hear that "outside the Church there is not salvation," don't take it as "We're right and everyone else is wrong and isn't that just too bad for them." Think of it instead as "We have found something of immense value - that thing that every person is longing for their whole life long - and we want to share it with you! However, it's only found in its fullest and complete form in one place, and it may feel foreign at first, but in it you will find all the peace, joy, and fulfillment that you could hope for. so feel free to come home!"
To wrap up, I will give you what The Church has to say about the matter, directly from the Church's mouth as written in the Catechism:
"“Outside the Church there is no salvation”
846- How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: (161; 1257)
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience-those too may achieve eternal salvation.
848 “Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men.” (1260)"
Catholic Church. (2000). Catechism of the Catholic Church (2nd Ed., pp. 224-225). Washington, DC: United States Catholic Conference.
***** great job answering that question.
+Sergio Morales And of course belief in Jesus is totally irrelevant, since the Pope says atheists and Muslims will be in Heaven.
Heck if you can't trust a guy who says eating a Hamburger on Friday is a bad sin, who can you trust?
Tim Spangler Go to Catholic mass and you'll see what Jesus means to us. Get a life, man.
I've been to mass
I'm just confused about the resacrifice
Why is that necessary?
I am born and raised Catholic but what IF God doesn't exist.
"No man can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him"
John 6:44
We give ourselves far too much credit and assume far more control than we actually have.
When you recognize your own limitations..when you see how very small you actually are you might find yourself involuntarily calling out to God and spontaneously worshipful
What if he does?
lol pagan transubstantiaton
A ROMAN MIRACLE
A pretty maid, a Protestant, was to a Catholic wed;
To love all Bible truths and tales, quite early she's been bred.
It sorely grieved her husband's heart that she would not comply,
And join the Mother Church of Rome and heretics deny.
So day by day he flattered her, but still she saw no good
Would ever come from bowing down to idols made of wood.
The Mass, the host, the miracles, were made but to deceive;
And transubstantiation, too, she'd never dare believe.
He went to see his clergyman and told him his sad tale.
"My wife is an unbeliever, sir; you can perhaps prevail;
For all your Romish miracles my wife has strong aversion,
To really work a miracle may lead to her conversion."
The priest went with the gentleman-he thought to gain a prize.
He said, "I will convert her, sir, and open both her eyes."
So when they came into the house, the husband loudly cried,
The priest has come to dine with us!" “He's welcome," she replied.
And when, at last. the meal was o'er, the priest at once began,
To teach his hostess all about the sinful state of man;
The greatness of our Savior's love, which Christians can't deny,
To give Himself a sacrifice and for our sins to die.
"I will return tomorrow, lass, prepare some bread and wine;
The sacramental miracle will stop your soul's decline."
"I'll bake the bread," the lady said. “You may," he did reply,
"And when you've seen this miracle, convinced you'll be, say I."
The priest did come accordingly, the bread and wine did bless.
The lady asked, “Sir, is it changed?" The priest answered, "Yes.
It's changed from common bread and wine to truly flesh and blood;
Begorra, lass, this power of mine has changed it into God!"
So having blessed the bread and wine, to eat they did prepare.
The lady said unto the priest. “I warn you to take care,
For half an ounce of arsenic was mixed right in the batter,
But since you have its nature changed, it cannot really matter."
The priest was struck real dumb-he looked as pale as death.
The bread and wine fell from his hands and he did gasp for breath.
"Bring me my horse!" the priest cried, "This is a cursed home!"
The lady replied, “Begone; tis you who shares the curse of Rome."
The husband, too, he sat surprised, and not a word did say.
At length he spoke, “My dear," said he, “the priest has run away;
To gulp such mummery and tripe, I'm not for sure, quite able;
I'll go with you and we'll renounce this Roman Catholic fable."
Good Catholics are good, friendly people. Bad Catholics are horrible, evil people. This can be said of all Christian sects but Catholics are at the extreme. I've never been evangelized to by a Catholic even though they were all around me in school, work, and in my family. I will never praise a person (i.e. Pope) to the level of being infallible and higher than other people in the eyes of God. I have heard both good and bad sermons by Catholic priests. The praising of Mary is not commanded in The Bible and Satan uses that to take the attention off of Jesus.
you're right Steve, praising of Mary is "not commanded" in the Bible,
but was requested
John 9:27 "Then He said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home."
would you ever praise your own mum?
and again, you're right Steve,
the devil "uses that to take the attention off of Jesus."
Mary doesn't
John 2:5 "His mother said to the servants, "Do whatever He tells you." "
Also, Papal infallibility only applies to faith and morals, otherwise the Pope is just as human as we are. The Bible itself shows proof of it. Two of Peter’s letters are in the Bible. That means that God must have kept Peter from making errors when he wrote them.
you people are delusional
john tafoya really? who started your Church?
Delusional, history and scripture itself tell a different story since the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Christ:
Wow, how can someone be so knowledgeable and be so wrong?
Only... Wow, how can you be so wrong..
Well, how wrong were you?
Perhaps they’re not wrong, as evidenced by their knowledge, and you’re just not keeping up with them yet
only1gumpy How is he wrong?
only1gumpy Because it is your interpretation that is wrong, not the Catholic Church’s interpretation.