Elite Dangerous Lore, The Thargoids, Part 1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ม.ค. 2021
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If you're a new player, or just want a handy reference to the greatest mysteries of the Elite Dangerous universe, this video will lay out all the story behind the fearsome alien race, the Thargoids.
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Drew Wagar is an official author for Elite Dangerous, having written many missions, lore entries, in-game narrative and two official books - Reclamation and Premonition. Find out more from his website - www.drewwagar.com - บันเทิง
"Seemingly allowing us to coexist without strife."
*Then we developed tech to terraform ammonia worlds*
Thargoids: "Cawabonga it is!"
I sometimes wonder if the thargoids that you can kill are actually just Devs flying around in thargoid ships.
that would be amazing
@@scottd7222 and at the same time terrifying
Thargoid ship: god mode activated 😌
How cool that would be, and the permit restricted systems are where they swap ships and headquarter, adds up pretty well really
Flyable thargoid ship?
"Trigger happy commanders" i feel targeted
I am aswell, the game is a bit less fun doing anything for me when I'm not shooting thargoids
WELL, THAT must be a change of pace for you then? Feeling targeted instead of targetting? 😅
Maybe you just got triggered
@@pully5514 I'm usually shooting pirates rather than thargoids. Actually, I have yet to find a thargoid and I hope humanity can estabilish a dialogue with them and maybe even a peace treaty. Yes, I am very trigger happy, but I prefer shooting outlaws
OFFICIALL lore heck yeah. No better source than the writer.
He ignored a few important details from his own book for some reason...
*edit: next video is the reason.
I studied the Thargoids for the longest time, with a view to trying to learn more about them, only shooting in defence. However, about a year ago they became really REALLY aggressive.
All my research has yielded is how to hijack a thargoid wormhole (but not how to use one.)
My first encounter with a thargoid was a moment I will never forget. And interdiction would be putting it lightly. I just dropped out of super cruise and at first nothing. My ship started shutting down and I was sitting there like. Oh man! I broke my ship. Maybe it needed some sort of maintenance. Then there was something to my right? It came into view and now I say frozen in my seat thinking… Do I have the funds to replace my ship. It scanned me and then… It left. I thought Elite Dangerous was getting into more story driven content. While there were some great initial speculation. To even get to deal with the Thargoids means grinding for new weapons and defenses. Mainly from guardian sites. After grinding out at guardian sites. I’m burnt out! But soon! Soon Thargoids!
So as recent as 9 months ago a Thargoid scanned you and then left peacefully??
@@christiantaylor1495 as long as you have no guardian or thargoid related objects, they will leave you in peace.
You know what I find sad is that the developers actively said that war with the thargoids or peace is going to depend on the average of players who actively attack them meaning they will be friendly or hostile but so many people decided to attack they are now objectively hostile good work people 👏 now man kind in the game is going to eventually head to war with them and it will take all the three major factions and all independent human systems to have to unite to defeat them cause less face it they are superior when it comes to tech for fuck sake there ships can move in hyperspace like we can in just supercruise they have the ability to even indication our ships in hyperspace while jumping between systems
this game is deep
Prepare for the fourth and most obviusly new faction to the game, bumans.
Yeah I'm glad I've not attacked any. After I watched this it for sure shows how much humanity deserve a slap down a few levels from the Thargoids. Lol. I believe space is big enough for the only other mfs to achieve interstellar space travel before us. We shouldve shown hella respect for them. They are by far superior to us.
@@hachijospaniard5643 Zumans*
💪🧠
Ahhhh! The barnacle site interaction is from my channel, thank you so much for using it Mr. Wagar! :D
I will put a credit in for you - I picked up loads of videos over time and it wasn't always easy to figure out whos was whos. :)
Alliance and Sirius Corp has begun to terraform ammonia worlds in Coalsack and Witch Head Nebulas - hence the recent resurgence in hostilities?
Great video, as always!
I am a relatively new Player still. Recently did my first visit to a close nebula and was so damn horrified when seeing the amount of non-human signals. I wasn't hyperdicted or even just approached, but just knowing that there where so many signals made my heart beat quite a bit faster.
I feel like if we were to get to this point in human technological advances where we could space travel, and we met alien that were this much more advanced than us, we would be the dumb asses that attack them first for no reason and these aliens would just be like: *so you've chosen death???*
this is how we will go extinct becuase there *will* be some *idiots* that will attack them
That's why the thargoids are aggressive.
The hostility of thargoids is based on how much players attack them, if no players attack them at all, thargoids will be at peace and maybe dev's will consider having people fined and bounties placed on them for attacking thargoids.
Maybe we can band together and bring peace, after all I've wanted to study them up close
@@VaporSpaceNumber101 In the original Elite for the BBC Micro, you get 40 credits bounty for destroying a Thargoid.
If you have a scoop, you can collect the Thargons and sell them as alien items at around 23 credits per ton. Or destroy them for a bounty of 3 credits each.
An interesting thought that you could be fined for attacking them instead.
@@VaporSpaceNumber101 The PS5 Metal Gear Phantom Pain players actually all 100% disarmed their nuclear weapons and unlocked the super secret game ending where the world achieved nuclear disarmament. Maybe Elite Dangerous players can follow their way and make peace with the Thargoids.
@@christiantaylor1495 that's a lie, there's a bug in mgsv that prevents this.
On one hand, yes, it's tragic that so many players opened fire that the Thargoids became hostile.
On the other hand, the fact that so, so many people have and continue to be absolutely furious about it is, in a way, rather heartwarming. So many people wanted peace so badly. And maybe they can get it, somehow. Because hope will always shine through.
I see a Drew Wagar lore video, I'm watching as soon as possible!
I get interdicted by Goids all the time, and as long as I don't attach them or touch them, they leave me alone. Sometimes they hang around like they are waiting for something...like they wanna communicate. They let me scan them, get close, examine them. Is there a device to communicate with them?
AX weaponry
10:19 "They seem to focus their attention on regions of nebulosity. It appears they consider various Nebulae locations to be significant. The reason is currently Unknown"
Welp. Guess Im hopping in, gearing up and going to search for.... Something. The scientist in me must know more!
@Tom P not out of the question. But they're a hive Mind race, and a race as technology superior as theirs, well... What kind of religion would they have if they're so advanced?
@@RJ_Owlby That seems to imply that religion and advancement of technology can't go hand in hand. Even the crew of the Apollo 11 mission to the Moon were speaking in tones of admiration of space and its vastness, and how overwhelmingly amazing it was. Who's to say the Thargoids can't be the same, because they're so far advanced compared to us?
@@CrimsonWalter9092 nah not saying I don't think they go hand in hand, what I meant to say is since they're more advanced, they might have made discoveries that might disprove what their religion thought was so. But we haven't done the same either, and it's a good theory.
@@CrimsonWalter9092 and another thing is their a hive Mind, we don't really know how hive minds work, so it might either make them all believe in a certain religion or not.
I am only now trying to get into ED and these lore videos are peeking my interest! You are now my Space Attenborough.
The lore videos have *piqued* your interest.
@@masonprisco3782 the lore videos have indeed *poked* his interests
This is what I love about Elite Dangerous. Everything is more mature and aliens are actually alien in nature. Thank you for the video. It was very enjoyable.
The truth is both a beautiful and terrible thing. In this they are our teachers... thankyou Drew
damn, i'm surprised you didn't touch upon the potential rebel thargoids that have been hinted/mentioned in some places (in-game), can't remember where from exactly now but thargoid interceptors with spots on their hull are supposed to be of those rebels fighting against regular thargoids just as humanity is doing (never seen this myself and don't know if it's even a thing in-game yet at all but still, very interesting story point imo) (conspiracy theory time: *cough* salvation is *cough* a *cough* rebel thargoid *cough*)
Spots?
Do you speak of the Orestrin Thagoids versus the Kalaxin Thargoids?
Simply fantastic Emperor Drewval! I continue to value your highly researched videos. A big thank you!
Loved the Lore vid Drew, I hope that with the release of Odyssey this year we might get to see and explore more Thargoid sites and find out more about this mysterious race.
Thanks Drew my first week of elite dangerous. I love it ! I love watching your lore videos and playing doing cargo runs in my type 6 or doing some bounty's in my cobra mk 3
I Bow to Drew Wager, He is a true inspiration to the Game and brings it to life. Very easy to listen to and watch. A commander and writer, much more clued up than most with first hand lore knowledge. Thank you Drew :) loved both his books too
Felt like I was watching a real documentary for sec. Very well made video
Oh wow this is exactly what I was looking for! Thanks!!
Great video Drew, thank you very much!
I love these videos. Thank you for making them.
Me too
Thanks for the video Drew!
Remember that first time you got pulled out of hyperspace by a Thargoid fleet in Elite - 😟
With the recent events regarding Salvation and the Proteus wave, and now the stargoids approaching the bubble, I am very excited about the events to come. I'm currently in Guardian space around Regor to search for any clues that could hint at what the Thargoid intentions are, and I'm planning to stop next by the Coalsack nebula to search for further clues.
I speculate that, as a sentient species, the Thargoids aren't all unified, and must have diverging groups with differing goals. I'm trying to search for evidence of this, to perhaps have a broader picture of the inevitable events that are looming right around the corner. Thanks for the awesome video! o7 You got a new sub.
Appreciate these Drew, great for a new player
Awesome work Drew
Thargoids are just so underused for how mysterious they are, so many questions and no answers in sight, its why I stopped playing E:D (that and the engineers) am I alone on the thought that theres just TOO many unanswered qualities? they push in and leave, to send messages over probes and then never talk, theyre hostile then theyre not.
I think I just convinced myself theyre run by a bi-polar queen if I am to judge by their actions.
really hope to get answers on thargoids before the next 20years
the thing is that might be how aliens would act if we encountered them. but we don't know. *we may never know.*
Maybe they are behaving differently because they too have different factions. Why should we assume they're a monoculture?
@@grippygecko6843 true possibly there are various groups with different motives
As usual, lovely content
The Thargoids remind me a little of the Shadows from Babylon 5
and therefore the Guardians are the Vorgons, humanity are just pawns in the games of the ancient ones?
@Tin Watchman yeah.... lol
Well done sir!
Great stuff Drew! 👍🏻o7
Mr. Wagar, always an honor :)
I managed to buy the first book, I will read it and buy them all. Problem was shipping, I keep my fingers crossed, I want to receive the pachet as soon as possible. Ordered it from Amazon de, cause in my country Amazon does not ship directly :( I sure hope it will arrive, I am so happy that a friend had a credit card and Amazon account and helped me to buy it ...
I so wanted the book with an autograph :(
For me, this is more than a game, it's a way of life, in normal limits, of course and in spare time, but I have dedicated only to Elite and left other games aside. It's a story, a life, a game, a novel, a saga, Elite has all.
Contact me at www.drewwagar.com/about and I'll see if I can send you a signed insert for you book. :)
Before INRA was announced to the general public, their work with Thargoids is the reason we have our FSD's. It was much different early on. I have spent a lot of time studying INRA, the Thargoids, and our propulsion systems. I also spend a lot of time at many Guardian sites, helping other Commanders, and doing research.
I hope you are doing well, Sir! o7
Is the FSD reverse engineered Thargoid technology? I didn't know that
@@Cupit29 Yeah, look up INRA, Witchspace, an the first Thargoid war
What a great video! I love this game!
The Thargoids probably evolve more slowly due to their colder operating temperature. They're ancient and advanced, but they'd be even more so if they were like us.
From what I understand it wouldn't have mattered who attacked first, the thargoids would've attacked anyways as they did the guardians.
Nah, not really. Doesn't seems so in Elite Dangerous story so far. Guardians were attacked for the same reason we were. Territory.
@@MrZlocktar I think it's time the factions put their differences aside and pick up a galactic sized fly swatter
This video gave me chills
Thank you!
Did you just fart? Because you blow me away!
Anytime I had to spend much time going through Thargoid areas, I liked to keep some meta alloys with me. When I inevitably got hyperdicted, I'd jettison the meta alloys and they would, more often than not, go to retrieve them giving me the opening to GTFO.
I wonder if we'll ever be able to communicate with them and make peace
We had an oppertunity but players decided that just killing them on sight was more fun
@@damienmichiels4119 :(
New opportunity is happening right now with the ongoing peace mission.
Loved this series. Never had or wanted anything to do with Thargoids, I thought the devs should have concentrated more on development of the planets and ships but sadly this wasn't to be.
Starship Troopers reference there, wrong franchise Drew ;) Great video as always
I trust you're doing your part. ;)
Drew, if you haven’t already, I’d appreciate it if you made a video on the Guardians. I already have a great base understanding, but to me, it just seems so unlikely a technologically superior race such as them could possibly go self-extinct from their own creations. Why haven’t we found their AI in deep space and who’s to say some didn’t transfer over their consciousness. Would like to know if you could throw a bone, even if it’s slight through that narrative
Guardians are coming. :)
At the time when it all happened, Guardians were far less superiour than you might expect them to be. They were torn appart by civilian wars, lots of casualties, no time to care for anything but survival, resources were scarce. And then one of the Constructs become self aware, become sentient, even sapient in some sense. He was aware that guardians are about to destroy each other, but before that, they will destroy everything else - and Constructs not likely to survive in this mess. So this Construct decided to act in advance to destroy Guardians, before they will destroy each other and Constructs with them. Being a Civilian Construct, he didn't have necessary means to act. Which is why he manipulated his "brother" military Construct into making him believe that not only Guardians will destroy each other, but they will also destroy them both and legacy of this civilization will be lost forever. Guardians were already in colapse state of their civilization, and Civilian Construct simply didn't find any reason for them to exist anymore. He was sure, that it's the end for this civilization, and that he will simply speed up the process to survive in this mess. So he did.
Obviously they both survived and most likely they created an entire AI civilization of their own. But as of now, their wereabouts are unknown. My best guess is - we did triggered them when activated beacons and this story will continue somewhere in a future.
I encountered one of these death flowers out in the black before. Hard for me to buy into the AX mentality when all it did was scan me and go on its merry way. Who knows
You picked a bad time to quit... Stargoid...8 of them... one destination... The Bubble... It is burning... and an epic tale is unfolding... and you are missing it.
Dam I'd love to get ahold of the thargoid ships
This was AWESOME! Im new to Elite Dangerous and i absolutely love the lore!
Dunno why but I always get really scared and afraid listening to your videos at night
what do Thargoids actually look like? when i first saw them they kind of struck me as if those giant flower like ships *were* the thargoids, but watching this video, it seems to be implied that these are vessels and have a crew?
Cheers, Drew. You're Elite's unofficial lore master (should be official).
Edit: The later footage is Captain Skoomer's work. One of my favourites from a few years back. th-cam.com/video/e9U5Bdt4Rmw/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=CaptainSkoomer
I'll put a note in the description. :)
I'm curious to see if theres a hive mind or kind of queen controlling them.
Just got the game.
Thought that if i didnt buy my chieften that i could do it later at a station not in the middle of nowhere (i went exploring...mistake)
So im searching for a station that sells one. And heard about these space bugs...subbed
So I wonder whether others noticed, but purely lorewise (and not gamewise) the supercruise capability of human ships and the incapability of supercuise and supercruise interdiction of thargoid ships ought to be a vast tactical advantage for mankind, because it can render human ships intouchable by thargoid means. Just imagine what could some agile missile boat that zips around in supercruise, evading all projectile / directed energy beam that's travel rate is constrained by the speed of light, meanwhile dumping out detaching heavy smart ordenance that home in the target.
Even if such ship does only sublight supercruise (but close to the speed of light) it is more then enough to keep a safe vast distance from a thargoid ship where every attack can be dodged or outrun, considering the acceleration / deceleration that the supercruise is capable of.
Thargoid ships against such supercruise missile boats would be as helpess as tanks against 5th gen. multi-role fighter jets.
Of course ordenance detachment might pose an issue during supercruise, however, it should not be a problem for sublight supercruise.
Great video. What is the music used here, btw?
I'm doing my part!!
the first time i hyperdicted by those thing i panicked so much bc i bring so much cargo and afraid to lose it, once my ship back online i just "fire everything' and yep thats whats actualy killed me,
I like to imagine the thargoids looks like the aliens from District 9
I guess we'll need an update soon!
You were. To me. The best part of ED.
Just got my Guardian Weapons unlocked, I'll be joining the hunt soon.
Leave the poor bugs alone!
Hey Drew, where can I buy copies of these books you've written? I may be a relative newcomer to the lore in games of Elite, but... Well, to say I want to put my own mark on this universe because I love it, and therefore want to be a part of its growth, wouldn't quite do justice to my wanting. There are secrets here I so desperately want to find.
Hi, easiest route is via Amazon here > www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=drew+wagar&crid=2KL630A8QR77A&sprefix=drew+wagar%2Caps%2C75&ref=nb_sb_noss_1
Dark souls has vaatividya, in ED we have drew.
So quick question for you is your voice in the game because I landed on a space station and it sounded exactly like you lol
I guess that due to their hive structure, their technology development may be drastically slow. Each human has the capability to be creative and individual. In case of Thargoids, only select few may posess that ability.
Or they have special thinking classes,
Bravo
Noob here. Had my first encounter recently.
Flying a Viper 3 with no weapons. Just doing cartography.
Followed "Unknown signal" that became "NonHuman". I had to know.
I tried to scan it, but it blocked my scans. It then scanned ME with an impressive yellow display.
We then broke contact and went our separate ways.
I don't tend to shoot until fired upon. It did not act hostile.
Question so is the alliance curing the virus that almost killed the thargoids cannon or fauls info?
Its likely the Targoids already have a counter to it. If said virus ever actually worked at all.
So these things actually happened in the game or how do lore events work in the game?
I started doing some digging for Elite lore that i never knew, and it made me really curious about the technical/implementation aspect of it. I want to understand better how this game "presents" its content updates, how did the devs plan them out.
It's just based around GalNet and the Community Goals which are scripted events paired with content updates or were those things there all along?
How does one differentiate between game specific events and just Roleplaying?
There are in game events full of lore and tied to lore. Typically they are found in the form of puzzles. So exploration is a must to do these events
@@jigsawalwayswins8636 Well yeah, i watched all the story videos by Drew but then i watched TheYamiks video on the lore. It seems they didnt really succed in making something concrete, they could have done way more and the way they implemented what they did is kinda questionable from a game design perspective.... it does feel like they missed out on capitalizing on these "events", they put a lot of detail in other areas but for these main plots, they felt shallow.
I feel as if this video was foreshadowing the current thargoid event a bit.
The best aliens in fiction are the ones we know very little about, like the thargoids. Because what is an alien? An alien is something from beyond our understanding, something inhuman. We don't know what the Thargoids truly are, where they come from or what they want. And that mystery is what makes them so interesting.
k, but imagine making peace with them and getting there which tech.
Why did you ignore the Thargoid story from the books; Oresrians vs Klaxians??
To be covered in future articles. :) Trying to keep the videos to 15 mins max.
@@drewwagar Ah, thank the mighty Braben, may he nerf you last.
@@drewwagar Please stay true to original of Elite Dangerous. Since most of thargoid story from Elite and other games is officially retconned now. These are not exactly the same thargoids we knew before. The thargoids we are facing today, are far more intellegent than a simple bugs they were back then. They now have strategy and some yet uknown reasons which forced them to attack only AEGIS stations (the first 20+ stations with AEGIS labs), and then incursions only in systems with terraformable ammonia worlds in it. FD changed a lot of things in narrative around them. They are back now, only because Sirius decided to mock them with terraforming one of their "marked" ammonia planets. So now we are waiting for Sirius to be humilated and forced to go "underground" as it was done with AEGIS before. As you can see, there a lot of things going on.. Thanks for video. Keep it up CMDR!
I wonder if their motivations are similar to the Shadows in _Babylon 5._
So here is a little theory i have come up with that could explain the behaviour of the Thargoids. 1. They are naturally curious and want to interact with the human race, but seem unable to. This would explain the very first interdictions and scans. 2. They attack the human race because on first contact, the humans did not think about communicating, because unlike them, we are afraid of the unknown, this caused a sort of "honour war". Its just that they want vengeance for their fallen brethren. 3. The thargoids could possibly be a Fermi Paradox. They are The Great Filter, sent to prevent any species from achieving godlike amounts of technology. 4. If they are a part of the Fermi Paradox, this could also be a Dark Forest situation. You have to survive, at all costs, and other species also have to survive at all costs, meaning its better to attack, rather than trust and risk being backstabbed. These are only theories, but they do explain some of the behaviour of the Thargoids.
After Adamastor came from Coalsack, doesn't that mean humans actually knew about Thargoids earlier than you mentioned in the video? I think you missed it
I did look at including that event but the video was already getting too long, I may cover it in s future video. :)
Are the Thargoids back or something? I remember there was a huge war with them back then
So they are 😵 I will begin this holy war at once against the xeno scum
@@nashandra6634 disgusting.
@@nashandra6634 Noooooo make friends with them!
@@peppermintgal4302 heresy!
@@nashandra6634 you sound like a guy I could get along with!
*Starship troopers intensifies*
Shooting first may not be the best first contact strategy.
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Like #1,000 :)
I am a Founder and it was the best investment I ever made.
It’s me! I’m trigger happy commanders!
Those look like biotechnological organoid constructs..
Yup, they use the universes most effective type of technology- programmable life. And apparently humans have warp drives but not grown computation machines or biomechanichal exposure even? Why are those damm monkeys so obsessed with their metal boxes??
They remind me of like a Less evil version of the Shadows from Babylon 5.......
Attacking but not doing anything? isnt that just liek a way to guage an enemy? to see how strong they are?
Did drew wagar drew wagar and drew wagar?
Er.... ?
why does the human didn t release the virus again this time? or does the covid crisis made humanity stop to keep virus in laboratories?
First time it was done by INRA in secrecy from all - and by all means, it was a war crime. Thargoids are intelligent species - it's a xenocide attempt. To think about it, they have all means necessary to genocide us now. But they decided to ignore us even after we almost xenocided them. Makes you wonder..
Thargoids?!?!?
Hi is this what Elite on the BBC B evolved into?
Yes, it is.
@@drewwagar WOW!! I used to spend hours and hours on my BBC B playing Elite in the early 80's, exploring, trading , etc . Can't believe how wonderful the game looks.
And then suddenly space gods dropped support of console commanders reducing their fighting capability to only 1/3rd, losing 2/3rds of their commanders. And now little is stopping the Thargoids asides from the few commanders on PC
We need INRA back now more than ever
I have a sneaking suspicion that if SpaceX continues to exponentially grow the rate at which we explore space, we will be encountering other lifeforms looong before the 29th century. I would almost bet money that once we set foot on Mars, we find remnants of life there. I nominate Mars as the most likely candidate for a lost civilization, as when the earth was in it's primordial state, Mars sat nicely in the "green zone", and therefore had liquid water on its surface. Weird to think about how futile everything is, as in a billion years the earth will be too far from the sun to support any life.
we have satellite maps of mars right now and Curiosity is looking really hard for signs that there might have been water but so far it's tenuous at best.
I mean theoretically it's possible but I really wouldn't get you hopes up
Well done Men, we could have had peace with the Thargoids and the possibility to learn from them, but now we have a senceless war -.-