My headcannon is that the nurses are more technicians. Healing the Pokémon is the easy part of the job. Fixing the thing and keeping it maintained is the other 95%.
@@iandakariann Considering that we never really see pokemon get "seriously injured" in the games, sure. In the anime, they absolutely need to be nurses given that pokemon battling can cause grevious injuries that require more than just simple patchups. The 2nd episode of pokemon is a great example of this, as are several other episodes where it's clear a nurse is actually required.
@Miro_X this might be a case of the game mechanic simplifying the in game reality. Like how you can fight a trainer, beat all of their team, use the vs seeker, then boom they can fight again at full power. Technically they will need to return to the Center to fight again but the concept is ignored for the sake of simplicity. Just like how you never have to eat or sleep (you are, you just don't have to represent it in game). We know pokemon can die which suggests they can be seriously injured beyond being knocked out. So there is a whole concept of harm we aren't seeing for the sake of the game. So it is possible that the anime is accurate and the nurses can care for Pokémon beyond the machine, but for gameplay sake we never have to worry about it
The DLC nurse's animation being that she's on her phone until you approach is a touch of absolute genius IMO. It adds so much to the feeling that this is a world people live in, rather than just empty NPCs who have nothing except you to ever focus on.
Assuming I remember it correctly I love that when you bring a fainted Pokémon to her she gives more attitude and chastises you for not being more careful with your team and to me that just shows she cares
@@M_Alexander that adds a little more realism to it tbh. She's literally like a retail worker who's not paid enough to deal with it. So she idgafs haha.
The other reason for the S/V nurses having a less nurse-like outfit also owes to the fact that Pokémon centers here have been converted into gas stations. You don’t even go into a building, it’s a kiosk with a roof and no walls.
I didn’t like that change. I just went on a journey! I want a roof over my head and a chair to sit down! I don’t want to stroll up to a gas station and continue trudging along!
My head canon is that "Nurse Joy" is a uniform, a mascot like any of the other cute business mascots that are common in Japan. You know, a lot of children use the pokemon center so maybe it's a way to make the nurses easier to recognize??? even the police in Japan use those costumes sometimes lol
My headcanon is that she's a globe spanning fungus whose mycelium spreads below the soil, spawning wild pokemon with its tendrils, and that her mushroom caps are the nurses that run pokemon centers, embedding their spores into fainted pokemon and controlling them as new hosts.
There's actually a team skull girl from Po Town in gen 7 running the pokemon center that slightly resembles her too (though she's just a generic Team Skull grunt so technically they ALL resemble her)
Just by looking at the design I agree. I like to believe this is her after ash is champion and she retires from team rocket. That due to some new program that has receptionists at a gas station instead of a traditional nurse joy, Jesse was able to accomplish her goal without having to complete all the strict requirements she failed the first time.
I actually like the nurturing feminine archetype that nurse joy is apart of. It always reminds me of a motherly figure, and pokemon centers in general always make me feel home (especially at night) But yeah I sorta get the newer designs though.
For the anecdote, Pokemon Horizons has a recurring character heavily implied to be an ex-Nurse Joy who decided to quit. She said being from a family of famous doctors, and she mostly refuses to approach Pokemon Centers (and her main Pokemon is Chansey). I personally love that concept. It's expanding on what we always took for granted in the Pokemon world and making something new with it.
We also have the mother of the Black 2/White 2 protagonists as an ex-Pokemon Center receptionist. It's pretty fun if you know any nurses IRL, particularly older ones, because the way she talks about her work and moving around different poke centers isn't all that unrealistic.
@@3clisp315I just started the show and I'm almost done with the first season haha. I can't wait for more. It's really fun! Plus I like the bad guys are just crazy or mean with a bit of differences here and there
I mean it kinda makes sense that she's "bland" and doesn't change, she's a sign of relief after going through a long dungeon, or making it to a new town! I think it makes sense that they changed her design to a more convenient store esque design because well, a Pokemon center is a hospital and the poke stops are definitely more gas station inspired
One of the thing i noticed once i start playing Dark Soul is that mechanically speaking pokemon centers are basically bonfires, as if you get defeated you lose currency and get teleported back to one.
i hope they add more places to heal pokemon so we can see more joy designs but i also hope they add regular pokecenters back every now and then bc i grew up with that and its more iconic to me (and pokestops make me anxious bc i feel like some rock puff is gonna start a battle with me frame perfectly as i talk and somehow corrupt my game)
@@iandavidvillaloboswong5180 is bland in the sense of what people associate her design with rather what they really look at. some people would say they feel offputting to see somehting that gives "traditional" vibes. Im curious if people would still call the pokemon nurse uniform bland when put aside of a irl one.
I like really how each region has a fun spin with nurse joy and how each the character in Alola dress up like her has a fun spin and there are male uniform.
My brain really did just finish your sentence huh? (you forgot to add "like" in "I really how") What the brain can do to make things make sense is quite neat
The way that the anime does the pokemon centres and Nurse Joys (with the implication that they're actually treating wounds and ailments) has a more realistic vibe and, in a way, feels more like it's "what really happens"? It's ridiculous to expect players to sit around for half-an-hour-plus in real time to get their pokemon healed, so "stick it in a machine and push a button" is a better implementation from a *gameplay* perspective, but from a realism perspective, the anime is probably closer. We see a similar thing in, say, RSE, where the rest hut at the foot of Mount Chimney allows you to "rest for a while", with the implication that it might actually be an overnight stay, allowing for the same kind of treatment of wounds and ailments that pokemon would undergo at the higher-tech (and more formal) pokemon centre facilities.
Similar concept any time you use the bed at home to heal. Your mother most likely gives you a snack with your nap and maybe plays around with your pets for a while.
@@datcheesecakeboi6745 Which chronologically isn't too far off from the start of WW1. And especially in the case of the British influenced a lot of fashion choices.
Honestly I believe that's actually what she is. Some random girl from that village who is basically told "hey go heal visitors' pokemon", and unwillingly does it (Not a case she's always just staring at her phone)
The village is small, like really small. So it's not to far fetched that it doesn't have an official pokemon center but still needs someone around to fill the roll for visiting trainers sense residents probably take care of their pokemon themselves. Given the touristy feel they were going for it's not too surprising it looks thrown up and manned by a teenager.
I think you may have parts of your history mixed up there. The infamous Great Plague (an outbreak of bubonic plague) occurred in 1665, which was 150+ years before Queen Victoria ascended to the British throne, and a further 15 before the Crimean War in which Florence Nightingale became a household name. I am, however, not a massive buff when it comes to Victorian history, so if I'm wrong, please educate me. That said, you're right that it *does* look a lot like the kind of nursing uniform pioneered by Florence Nightingale.
In the Indigo Disk they replace the baddie nurse with a machine so you do it yourself, which to me, seems like a way to imply how hands on the blueberry academy is on young trainers doing things themselves and perhaps even how individualistic American schools can be, considering it takes place in Unova (new York)
That moment when you like the traditional nurse joy look especially the sw/sh version. Pinks my favorite color and I have a soft spot for the cute feminine aesthetic.
I kind of like the old design. In the anime, the characters had to take their pokémon to be seen by a nurse and she would personally attend them. The machine thing in the games always felt like a compromise for convenience in gameplay and limitation of what a Gameboy game could do. So I think it's sad that they never left that mode and actually steered into it. Personally, I liked that pokémon centres were buildings that facilitated trainers and while the kiosks accomplish that, they just feel way less important or special.
I think from a gameplay perspective passing your Pokeballs into a machine still works. The player is going to be healing their team hundreds of times, sometimes in short succession. There isn't really time to show more than the nurse hand-waving or sticking a bandaid on the first member of your team without making the process drawn out. Doing as they have been accomplishes letting you know the whole team is healed without taking too much of the player's time. I do agree about the kiosk though. While the gas station design is cute given the mode of travel, having a whole building felt like a proper rest stop and the closest the player comes to staying at a hotel in each town. There were more NPCs all taking a break or offering a service and info to other travelers. The coffee shop in the S/M stops were an especially nice visual touch since you could freshen up and get a hot meal. The gas stations don't even have decent benches.
@@BonaparteBardithion I loved that they added cafés in S/M. I wish they kept that because it makes absolute sense to have a coffee shop wherever large groups of people will pass by. I think it would have been cool if they developed that or even added services to the pokémon centre unique to the region. Like, in Paldea, there could've easily been a chain of sandwich shops and places to sit and eat them instead of using the picnic table.
In Gen 5 they also had a trainer class of doctors and nurses around the overworld that would be like mobile Pokemon centers once you defeated them, one of the many interesting Gen 5 concepts that was abandoned due to the generations initial poor reception.
There are definitely multiple NPCs who do that in Sword/Shield. There's also a Pokémon Center nurse sans Pokémon Center who heals mons in the eastern desert of Paldea.
I always liked to think that the healing machine had a little more to it - the nurse would need to assess the damages and configure the machine accordingly to treat the Pokemon in a correct manner, or something to that effect that would make sense for a nurse being required to use the machine
Only in the games though. In the anime, they take the Pokemon into the back to heal them. And in extreme cases, have them on/in a machine for serious injury or sickness.
I think pokemon leans a bit conservative when it comes to the nurse because healing your pokemon is one of the most important features. So they gotta make sure even the youngest player understands the nurse isn't a trainer that gets you into trouble. So a pink friendly dress makes perfect sense.
Except that most nurses are found in PokeCenters behind counters, same as the Mart NPCs (which are almost exclusively male, incidentally). By the time players encounter the rare occasions they're found on the road the player has already learned what that NPC design means. They could have two different NPCs behind the counter or maybe alternate the male and female versions in each town if they wanted the player to be familiar with them.
@@ekkehard8 Perfection is an illusion, something unobtainable only reserved for the greater cosmos we humans can never be witness to. And screw it, why people don't want diversity in designs? why are people mad that we want more color palettes or different uniforms? in what way does it affect you? when the alternative is allowing people to be more creative?
I found it kind of cute that the SWSH nurse is actually in this very traditionally English clothing, as someone who enjoys historic clothing, and is one of the only ones without bangs. It reminds me of the fantasy feel of Pokemon, that the nurse uniform looks almost like we'd expect it in a steampunk adventure. And I love the Kitakami nurse, how she feels like just a regular late teens to 20-something year old lady working a job, texting when not serving people, kind of looks a bit annoyed but like, it's just her face and she just isn't putting on a smiley act for the workplace. Honestly, as long as she heals my pokemon when needed, I think she did nothing wrong and doesn't owe anything else. She captures the burned out gen z vibe 😂
This makes me want to see Skyen's take on the Punk Nurse Joy in the new Pokemon anime. And speaking of the anime, would also love to see your take on Sam (aka Young Prof. Oak) from the Fourth movie
I just lament that Nurse Joy and the PokéMarket guy are now stuck in a gas station of sorts with barely any coverage from the insane weather. That's no way of treating essential workers of this universe.
I actually like the more traditional aspects of the Nurse Joy design because its a very abnormal thing to see in modern times. Its actually kind of refreshing to see.
@@eeveefan132 idk you, but fir me he said "outdated uniforms" in a comentary tone, not necessarially inclining towards one opinion in specific. And by saing "wierdly conservative things in the pokemon world" he means it in general, and agin, he doesnt use it as an factor to say nurses early design as "wors". He's prasing SV design for the matter of it doing something diferent from the previous games, witch included it not being inclined to a more "traditional" vision anymore, but the main point still that it's doing something different and having more variety, not if this vision is a "problem" or not.
Turn of the century nurses did look a lot like the generic image of maids we have today. A simple, ankle length dress (cheap and easy to wash), a hood of some kind (symbol of profession, keeps hair out of the way), a white apron (will get dirty, so easy to change into a clean one). White because the heavy washing and bleaching required to keep things clean in a hospital would also destroy all colour. A house maid would have similar clothes for similar reasons. In europe nurse clothes also partly evolved out of nun's habits, but that's a different story. As a rule, those were not feminine outfits back then, they were practical and bland. So yes, the outfit is very conservative in that it comes from a time where nursing was the only job acceptable for a woman to have ("be grateful that you are allowed to serve" kinda deal), but also it's the outfit of a working woman earning her own money 120 years ago. I'm saying there is a lot of feminism going on just under the surface.
Oh damn, I hadn't even put the heavy sanitisation and white clothes together. At home, I hardly ever use bleach so I avoid white except in rare cases, an near-opposite existence to the near-universal white of hospitals clothes that you mention 😮
I forget which games but there is a Nurse Joy with half of her hair loops undone and I like that it gives her a more frazzled appearance, like she just got done frantically taking care of a ton of other Pokémon.
@@fieratheproudThere is at least one other, in Gen 4 Pokemon Contests, you could see several special characters in Master level competitions, the pool isn't deep, but one interesting addition was a Pokemon Center Nurse named Casey that could show up in Cute or Toughness competitions
Mate, as a guy working in the medical field alongside nurses, and working with civilian nurses in 6 hospitals during my 10 years in the Navy, I can count on one hand the number of male nurses I have met (4).
Let's not forget the kitakami pokemon centre nurse acts cold at first likea teenager rolling their eyes and as you go to her more and more, she sees you as a regular, wishes you and your Pokemon well and eventually shows you a new selfie pose
Tbf it's a nurse, what more could you do with her design? They were only able to change up her design in gen 9 because it's not a hospital anymore, it's more like a food stall
I enjoy that because she’s possibly the only Pokemon Center Nurse who isn’t completely enclosed by a counter, you can talk to her from behind or from the side And she’s like “hey if you’re like here for healing you gotta talk to me over the counter, weirdo”
True but i like pokemon centre ladys design from og to now, its got pink, its cute and with there design is a sense of comfort which leads to how the pokemon centre is always the safest place. So if we get pokemon Centre man, be awsome but at the same time having a pokemon centre lady is always comforting to see every single time.❤
I do love that during Mochi Mayhem they gave the dlc nurse just one more bit of dialogue what which was something along the lines of 'woah, everyone is acting weird... want your pokemon healed, kid?'. Not paid enough to care, but still gotta make ends meet so still runs the counter.
Saying poke center nurse being Feminine and nurturing is sexist 1960 caricature is in and of itself sexist to the absolute most insane extreme. It is also completely insane in general. There is literally nothing wrong with setting a certain character type to being girls too. Girls can be feminine, nurturing, and sweet. The character is meant to be a warm beacon of joy as you can restore the much needed health and pp of your mons after battling. Plus it doesn’t matter what the role is anyways, in what universe do you need to justify a person being nurturing and a girl being feminine, like why wouldn’t girls be allowed to be those things.
Oh no...fuck that last baseball cap design. The first design in the thumbnail is wonderful. Also, fuck the convenience store design. but that last one?? OH HELL NO.
i never thought of Nurse Joy or Officer Jenny as conservative because they were obviously the top professionals in their jobs. in a lot of the episodes, men study under Nurse Joy or are often taking orders from and reporting to Officer Jenny. so, idk, it never came off to me that way.
Wouldn’t say it’s a “Conservative touch” since the lack of male doctors and nurse joy being in charge is always going to lean more into progressive category. As sadly there is a lot of sexism in medical field
The Pokémon world is very retro-futuristic in a sense; they have the technology to digitize living breathing creatures, can heal said creatures from potentially deadly injury at the press of a button, & completely safe & standardized teleportation tech. But the aesthetic of their technology is always clunkier & more tactile than what we have in real life, & there's a lot of the archetypal 50s stay-at-home mom, skirt wearing nurse, policewoman who also wears a skirt & pumps for some reason, etc.
That's very much intentional, it's a way to keep the setting grounded. If the setting gets TOO futuristic then it's very easy to alienate the audience, so a lot of anime tends to keep more traditional elements on their futuristic settings so it can be relatable. Its something even Tezuka took note of when he was writing Astro Boy.
Personally I absolutely hate the newest designs, as the classic nurse style and everything worked well with the small changes from generation to generation, and the difference between the two is so far that I honestly don’t see them as the same character. The familiarity of nurse joy connected the regions and made the Pokémon centers feel more homey and friendly, like they should as the checkpoints and rest stops of your journey around the region.
Honestly I just liked the odd implication of all nurses being related in some way. They all look identical, or at least VERY similar. Same as the cops.
Ive always liked the anime interpretation of nurse joy because it actually seems like they have a purpose There is like no reason for nurse joy to exist in the games because surely we can operate the healing machines by ourselves
I like the "bland design" its like shes more a caring nurse, they are cute and it feels like they would comfort and carefully care for pokemon, dont get me wrong the new nurse joys look like they would do that, but they lack that vibe
Yeah, I much prefer the older design of the nurses and the Pokemon Centers. Just having a clerk put your Pokemon in an HP vending machine just seems so sterile and impersonal. You'll also notice modern nurses no longer have the cross sign on their hats. I think that was because the Red Cross trademarked that symbol and are fiercely protective of it.
Ngl I kinda like the older gen’s Nurses better than Scarlet and Violet Its just one of those things that dont need changing, if it aint broke, dont fix it X/Y has to be my favorite though!
The fact that the Pokemon Center healing machine is about as complicated as a hotdog roller has never occurred to me until now
I now imagine the self-serve pokemon centers in Indigo Disk to also be like hot dog rollers in a convenience store
My headcannon is that the nurses are more technicians. Healing the Pokémon is the easy part of the job. Fixing the thing and keeping it maintained is the other 95%.
@@iandakariann Considering that we never really see pokemon get "seriously injured" in the games, sure. In the anime, they absolutely need to be nurses given that pokemon battling can cause grevious injuries that require more than just simple patchups. The 2nd episode of pokemon is a great example of this, as are several other episodes where it's clear a nurse is actually required.
@Miro_X this might be a case of the game mechanic simplifying the in game reality. Like how you can fight a trainer, beat all of their team, use the vs seeker, then boom they can fight again at full power. Technically they will need to return to the Center to fight again but the concept is ignored for the sake of simplicity. Just like how you never have to eat or sleep (you are, you just don't have to represent it in game).
We know pokemon can die which suggests they can be seriously injured beyond being knocked out. So there is a whole concept of harm we aren't seeing for the sake of the game.
So it is possible that the anime is accurate and the nurses can care for Pokémon beyond the machine, but for gameplay sake we never have to worry about it
@@Miro_XThe Stautland episode in sun and moon
She went from the trained nurse to minimum wage teen
The DLC nurse's animation being that she's on her phone until you approach is a touch of absolute genius IMO. It adds so much to the feeling that this is a world people live in, rather than just empty NPCs who have nothing except you to ever focus on.
Which is what modern pokemon usually is
It's especially funny during the events of Mochi Madness where she's just chilling on her phone in the background
Assuming I remember it correctly I love that when you bring a fainted Pokémon to her she gives more attitude and chastises you for not being more careful with your team and to me that just shows she cares
@@lynnboartsdye1943 I hope that's true
@@M_Alexander that adds a little more realism to it tbh. She's literally like a retail worker who's not paid enough to deal with it. So she idgafs haha.
The other reason for the S/V nurses having a less nurse-like outfit also owes to the fact that Pokémon centers here have been converted into gas stations. You don’t even go into a building, it’s a kiosk with a roof and no walls.
it must suck for them when it's cold or windy out. very little protection from the elements.
Just dont live in Glaseado
I like yo imagine that the kiosks are very well heated, which is why no slow builds up on the pavement around them
I didn’t like that change. I just went on a journey! I want a roof over my head and a chair to sit down! I don’t want to stroll up to a gas station and continue trudging along!
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My head canon is that "Nurse Joy" is a uniform, a mascot like any of the other cute business mascots that are common in Japan. You know, a lot of children use the pokemon center so maybe it's a way to make the nurses easier to recognize??? even the police in Japan use those costumes sometimes lol
Nah, Joy family has a monopoly on pokemon hospitals and probably the cloning industry.
@@BeastOrGod Maybe my head canon is a cover-up so nobody notices the real truth! The Pokémon Center is run by non other than TEAM ROCKET!?!?
My headcanon is that she's a globe spanning fungus whose mycelium spreads below the soil, spawning wild pokemon with its tendrils, and that her mushroom caps are the nurses that run pokemon centers, embedding their spores into fainted pokemon and controlling them as new hosts.
@@Natibe_matpat? is that you?
@@Hutch2Much No, Matpat's theory was that they were a evolved (in the Darwinian sense) offshoot of Chansey.
The nurse from the DLC feels like an alternate reality Jessie, who did manage to finish nursing school and managed to settle down
The description does kinda work, doesn't it?
There's actually a team skull girl from Po Town in gen 7 running the pokemon center that slightly resembles her too (though she's just a generic Team Skull grunt so technically they ALL resemble her)
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Just by looking at the design I agree. I like to believe this is her after ash is champion and she retires from team rocket. That due to some new program that has receptionists at a gas station instead of a traditional nurse joy, Jesse was able to accomplish her goal without having to complete all the strict requirements she failed the first time.
I actually like the nurturing feminine archetype that nurse joy is apart of.
It always reminds me of a motherly figure, and pokemon centers in general always make me feel home (especially at night)
But yeah I sorta get the newer designs though.
For the anecdote, Pokemon Horizons has a recurring character heavily implied to be an ex-Nurse Joy who decided to quit. She said being from a family of famous doctors, and she mostly refuses to approach Pokemon Centers (and her main Pokemon is Chansey). I personally love that concept. It's expanding on what we always took for granted in the Pokemon world and making something new with it.
We also have the mother of the Black 2/White 2 protagonists as an ex-Pokemon Center receptionist.
It's pretty fun if you know any nurses IRL, particularly older ones, because the way she talks about her work and moving around different poke centers isn't all that unrealistic.
@@MrRuePinePokémon Horizons has no right being as good as it is. Today's kids are lucky.
Implied? Mollie literally told Liko that she wants to help wild mons. That's her reason why she joined the Rising Volt.
@@nathandts3401I’m glad for them tho, they deserve to have a good anime to grow up on
@@3clisp315I just started the show and I'm almost done with the first season haha. I can't wait for more. It's really fun! Plus I like the bad guys are just crazy or mean with a bit of differences here and there
"8 years. 8 years of medical school then they invent this thing. Now im payed minimum wage"
Lmao I remember that line.
@@MSOGameShow its the one joke from that series that I believe still holds up incredibly well
@@treedude4246 What's it from?
@cheatcode436 pokemon but with animals instead.
Its very early 2000s edgy humor and not worth it but this one line always gets me
I mean it kinda makes sense that she's "bland" and doesn't change, she's a sign of relief after going through a long dungeon, or making it to a new town! I think it makes sense that they changed her design to a more convenient store esque design because well, a Pokemon center is a hospital and the poke stops are definitely more gas station inspired
One of the thing i noticed once i start playing Dark Soul is that mechanically speaking pokemon centers are basically bonfires, as if you get defeated you lose currency and get teleported back to one.
i hope they add more places to heal pokemon so we can see more joy designs
but i also hope they add regular pokecenters back every now and then bc i grew up with that and its more iconic to me
(and pokestops make me anxious bc i feel like some rock puff is gonna start a battle with me frame perfectly as i talk and somehow corrupt my game)
Its a uniform, I dont go to the hospital expecting extravagant outfits lol. I dont think that can be called bland
@@iandavidvillaloboswong5180 is bland in the sense of what people associate her design with rather what they really look at. some people would say they feel offputting to see somehting that gives "traditional" vibes. Im curious if people would still call the pokemon nurse uniform bland when put aside of a irl one.
@@noukan42 Bonfires are Pokémon centres...
I'll never be able to see Formstoftwere games the same way again.
Y’all they turned her into a mcdonalds cashier
The old design does make me want hugs, tho.
the only valid argument i have read on this wall of text
I dunno, I like the usual Joy look. I feel it gives off a sense of comfort, idk.
You... you're not gonna look at all the NPC and other trainer classes, are you? You got quite the task ahead of you if so, Skyen.
And you think the man reviewing every pokemon can't handle a few npcs?
dear god!
Would be interesting to talk about some of the censorship changes with the swimmers and such in the early gens...
@@djneonreaper4990 there is like 10+ pokemon for each diferent/class of npc.
@@milonchello1643 yeah... I'm saying he has the balls to review every pokemon, so he can handle a few npcs....
I like really how each region has a fun spin with nurse joy and how each the character in Alola dress up like her has a fun spin and there are male uniform.
there has always been male nurses, it's just they took that long to include it
My brain really did just finish your sentence huh? (you forgot to add "like" in "I really how")
What the brain can do to make things make sense is quite neat
@@burningshadowxd7633 Thxs for the corrections
@@WarmLillie That's not what he meant 😭
(It's "I really like how")
@@Dracowulf oh jeezuz it's much worse now lmao
The way that the anime does the pokemon centres and Nurse Joys (with the implication that they're actually treating wounds and ailments) has a more realistic vibe and, in a way, feels more like it's "what really happens"? It's ridiculous to expect players to sit around for half-an-hour-plus in real time to get their pokemon healed, so "stick it in a machine and push a button" is a better implementation from a *gameplay* perspective, but from a realism perspective, the anime is probably closer. We see a similar thing in, say, RSE, where the rest hut at the foot of Mount Chimney allows you to "rest for a while", with the implication that it might actually be an overnight stay, allowing for the same kind of treatment of wounds and ailments that pokemon would undergo at the higher-tech (and more formal) pokemon centre facilities.
Similar concept any time you use the bed at home to heal. Your mother most likely gives you a snack with your nap and maybe plays around with your pets for a while.
The newer designs may be more interesting and unique, but the maid dress nurse is just too cute. No wonder they kept her the same for so long
I prefer the old design. Not everything needs to be flashy. Especially the characters who do almost nothing at the end of the day.
Absolute travesty that it was scrapped
its also just a running gag in Pokemon that all nurse joy and officer jenny look the same
The Galarian nurse isn't so much "maid" as "World War I-era nurse"
It's late victorian style
@@datcheesecakeboi6745 Which chronologically isn't too far off from the start of WW1. And especially in the case of the British influenced a lot of fashion choices.
Absolutely. He was way off. I think he doesn't much about historical fashion I'm guessing?
The Teal Mask Nurse is such a mood though. She's like a teenager at her first job.
Well if they are a big family like I. The show...
she straight up doesn't bat an eye when the entire town gets hypnotized by mochi and I respect it
Honestly I believe that's actually what she is. Some random girl from that village who is basically told "hey go heal visitors' pokemon", and unwillingly does it (Not a case she's always just staring at her phone)
She totally looks like a teenager on her summer job xD
The village is small, like really small. So it's not to far fetched that it doesn't have an official pokemon center but still needs someone around to fill the roll for visiting trainers sense residents probably take care of their pokemon themselves.
Given the touristy feel they were going for it's not too surprising it looks thrown up and manned by a teenager.
The final one has massive "how do you do fellow kids" energy like damn
Nurse joy is iconic
Sword and shield are set in a uk-type place so the nurses having white and grey remind me of Victorian era nurses. Like during the plague
I think you may have parts of your history mixed up there. The infamous Great Plague (an outbreak of bubonic plague) occurred in 1665, which was 150+ years before Queen Victoria ascended to the British throne, and a further 15 before the Crimean War in which Florence Nightingale became a household name. I am, however, not a massive buff when it comes to Victorian history, so if I'm wrong, please educate me.
That said, you're right that it *does* look a lot like the kind of nursing uniform pioneered by Florence Nightingale.
@@malcolmdarke5299 Yeah you’re right, I’ve just always thought the Plague Doctors were Victorian
@@GaryOPostleno...
It’s giving Florence Nightingale also WW1 fairest force
@@GaryOPostleyeah not even really close
That DEI chief it's paying itself.
In the Indigo Disk they replace the baddie nurse with a machine so you do it yourself, which to me, seems like a way to imply how hands on the blueberry academy is on young trainers doing things themselves and perhaps even how individualistic American schools can be, considering it takes place in Unova (new York)
So does that mean the indigo disk machine is the medical professional equivalent of Canvas
If I remember correctly, the 1st selff healing machine in the series was in pokemon colosseum.
@@BananaR777 ... Which is set in Orre,, which is based on Arizona. In the US.
@@ombranox Americans really love independence
No, it’s the lack of healthcare. You do it yourself or go into lifelong debt.
They really nailed the realism!
That moment when you like the traditional nurse joy look especially the sw/sh version. Pinks my favorite color and I have a soft spot for the cute feminine aesthetic.
The Paldean league be like "you must wear these shorts and stand in an open kiosk at the top of that frozen mountain"
It's hard for me to understand how 'a convenience store cashier' as a design inspiration could become more desirable.
I kind of like the old design. In the anime, the characters had to take their pokémon to be seen by a nurse and she would personally attend them. The machine thing in the games always felt like a compromise for convenience in gameplay and limitation of what a Gameboy game could do. So I think it's sad that they never left that mode and actually steered into it.
Personally, I liked that pokémon centres were buildings that facilitated trainers and while the kiosks accomplish that, they just feel way less important or special.
I think from a gameplay perspective passing your Pokeballs into a machine still works. The player is going to be healing their team hundreds of times, sometimes in short succession. There isn't really time to show more than the nurse hand-waving or sticking a bandaid on the first member of your team without making the process drawn out. Doing as they have been accomplishes letting you know the whole team is healed without taking too much of the player's time.
I do agree about the kiosk though. While the gas station design is cute given the mode of travel, having a whole building felt like a proper rest stop and the closest the player comes to staying at a hotel in each town. There were more NPCs all taking a break or offering a service and info to other travelers.
The coffee shop in the S/M stops were an especially nice visual touch since you could freshen up and get a hot meal. The gas stations don't even have decent benches.
@@BonaparteBardithion I loved that they added cafés in S/M. I wish they kept that because it makes absolute sense to have a coffee shop wherever large groups of people will pass by. I think it would have been cool if they developed that or even added services to the pokémon centre unique to the region. Like, in Paldea, there could've easily been a chain of sandwich shops and places to sit and eat them instead of using the picnic table.
In Gen 5 they also had a trainer class of doctors and nurses around the overworld that would be like mobile Pokemon centers once you defeated them, one of the many interesting Gen 5 concepts that was abandoned due to the generations initial poor reception.
You don't have to blatantly lie about this, there have been multiple trainers on routes that will heal your Pokemon after gen 5.
There are definitely multiple NPCs who do that in Sword/Shield. There's also a Pokémon Center nurse sans Pokémon Center who heals mons in the eastern desert of Paldea.
These trainers are hilarious. Imagine getting injured in a mountain and the rescuers try to kick your ass before helping you
@@edgargaebolg9307Taking the term "combat medic" to a whole new level
@@caketemplary were they doctors and nurses?
I always liked to think that the healing machine had a little more to it - the nurse would need to assess the damages and configure the machine accordingly to treat the Pokemon in a correct manner, or something to that effect that would make sense for a nurse being required to use the machine
Pretty sure the early anime implied this due to the wait times, emergency patient scenes, and lodging for over-night stays.
The old design was waaayyyyy better
Only in the games though. In the anime, they take the Pokemon into the back to heal them. And in extreme cases, have them on/in a machine for serious injury or sickness.
I think pokemon leans a bit conservative when it comes to the nurse because healing your pokemon is one of the most important features. So they gotta make sure even the youngest player understands the nurse isn't a trainer that gets you into trouble. So a pink friendly dress makes perfect sense.
Except that most nurses are found in PokeCenters behind counters, same as the Mart NPCs (which are almost exclusively male, incidentally). By the time players encounter the rare occasions they're found on the road the player has already learned what that NPC design means.
They could have two different NPCs behind the counter or maybe alternate the male and female versions in each town if they wanted the player to be familiar with them.
@@BonaparteBardithion
Why do you want diversity in the pokemon nurses so much?
Deviating from the old design just strayed from perfect imo
@@ekkehard8 Perfection is an illusion, something unobtainable only reserved for the greater cosmos we humans can never be witness to.
And screw it, why people don't want diversity in designs? why are people mad that we want more color palettes or different uniforms? in what way does it affect you? when the alternative is allowing people to be more creative?
I found it kind of cute that the SWSH nurse is actually in this very traditionally English clothing, as someone who enjoys historic clothing, and is one of the only ones without bangs. It reminds me of the fantasy feel of Pokemon, that the nurse uniform looks almost like we'd expect it in a steampunk adventure.
And I love the Kitakami nurse, how she feels like just a regular late teens to 20-something year old lady working a job, texting when not serving people, kind of looks a bit annoyed but like, it's just her face and she just isn't putting on a smiley act for the workplace. Honestly, as long as she heals my pokemon when needed, I think she did nothing wrong and doesn't owe anything else. She captures the burned out gen z vibe 😂
This makes me want to see Skyen's take on the Punk Nurse Joy in the new Pokemon anime.
And speaking of the anime, would also love to see your take on Sam (aka Young Prof. Oak) from the Fourth movie
Nah I love the classic pink girl.
I just lament that Nurse Joy and the PokéMarket guy are now stuck in a gas station of sorts with barely any coverage from the insane weather. That's no way of treating essential workers of this universe.
I actually like the more traditional aspects of the Nurse Joy design because its a very abnormal thing to see in modern times. Its actually kind of refreshing to see.
I mean, yeah, it is a really traditionalistic design, but I don’t see how that’s a problem.
He doesnt say it is a problem thou
@@dingola_The language he uses does seem to imply that he does, though; i.e. “outdated uniforms”, “weirdly conservative”.
@@eeveefan132 idk you, but fir me he said "outdated uniforms" in a comentary tone, not necessarially inclining towards one opinion in specific. And by saing "wierdly conservative things in the pokemon world" he means it in general, and agin, he doesnt use it as an factor to say nurses early design as "wors". He's prasing SV design for the matter of it doing something diferent from the previous games, witch included it not being inclined to a more "traditional" vision anymore, but the main point still that it's doing something different and having more variety, not if this vision is a "problem" or not.
Turn of the century nurses did look a lot like the generic image of maids we have today. A simple, ankle length dress (cheap and easy to wash), a hood of some kind (symbol of profession, keeps hair out of the way), a white apron (will get dirty, so easy to change into a clean one). White because the heavy washing and bleaching required to keep things clean in a hospital would also destroy all colour. A house maid would have similar clothes for similar reasons. In europe nurse clothes also partly evolved out of nun's habits, but that's a different story. As a rule, those were not feminine outfits back then, they were practical and bland.
So yes, the outfit is very conservative in that it comes from a time where nursing was the only job acceptable for a woman to have ("be grateful that you are allowed to serve" kinda deal), but also it's the outfit of a working woman earning her own money 120 years ago.
I'm saying there is a lot of feminism going on just under the surface.
Oh damn, I hadn't even put the heavy sanitisation and white clothes together. At home, I hardly ever use bleach so I avoid white except in rare cases, an near-opposite existence to the near-universal white of hospitals clothes that you mention 😮
I forget which games but there is a Nurse Joy with half of her hair loops undone and I like that it gives her a more frazzled appearance, like she just got done frantically taking care of a ton of other Pokémon.
Sounds like Pesselle from Legends Arceus! As far as I know, she's the only Nurse in the series (outside the Anime) who's actually named.
@@fieratheproudThere is at least one other, in Gen 4 Pokemon Contests, you could see several special characters in Master level competitions, the pool isn't deep, but one interesting addition was a Pokemon Center Nurse named Casey that could show up in Cute or Toughness competitions
Mate, as a guy working in the medical field alongside nurses, and working with civilian nurses in 6 hospitals during my 10 years in the Navy, I can count on one hand the number of male nurses I have met (4).
I love that Alolan Nurse that gives a monologue about life
Let's not forget the kitakami pokemon centre nurse acts cold at first likea teenager rolling their eyes and as you go to her more and more, she sees you as a regular, wishes you and your Pokemon well and eventually shows you a new selfie pose
Its funny how much power the Joy family has in the anime despite being nurses.
You know it's surprising to myself how I never realized there hasn't been a male pokemon center aid/clerk and this gives me a cosplay idea for one.
Would love that! Look into edwardian era doctor's operating gowns, those could be a good starting point.
@@LeoFieTv I'll definitely look into that, I appreciate the starting point.
I seem to recall male nurses as a trainer class? Or am I misremembering?
@@drockman92 in Unova yes! BW/BW2
@@josefarias5216 Nah, the "Doctor" trainer class in Unova has only men, while the "Nurse" class has only women. Kinda cringe tbh.
Tbf it's a nurse, what more could you do with her design? They were only able to change up her design in gen 9 because it's not a hospital anymore, it's more like a food stall
idk, its a fantasy world, they could do anything they want!
like those cute red capes nurses wore that inspired With's costume in Over the Garden Wall
I kinda like the design for the SwSh nurses. They have a more Victorian vibe, which fits the Galar region, imo.
A maid dress isn’t outdated lol
Weirdly enough, in Sun & Moon, Ash, Kiawe, and Sophocles wore male nurse uniforms when working at the Pokemon Center.
Teal Mask Nurse is mood.
I enjoy that because she’s possibly the only Pokemon Center Nurse who isn’t completely enclosed by a counter, you can talk to her from behind or from the side
And she’s like “hey if you’re like here for healing you gotta talk to me over the counter, weirdo”
I love her in Mochi Mayhem since she’s like “there’s something strange going on, ah well it’s above my pay grade to care”
My favourite Pokémon nurse is the school nurse of Naranja/Uva Academy - Miriam. She is adorable and I love her.
Pokemon NPC has some really great designs
True but i like pokemon centre ladys design from og to now, its got pink, its cute and with there design is a sense of comfort which leads to how the pokemon centre is always the safest place.
So if we get pokemon Centre man, be awsome but at the same time having a pokemon centre lady is always comforting to see every single time.❤
The kitakami nurse is giving me older cousin who have a part time job and spends most of the day on the phone.
From old fashioned nurses to gas station clerks, totally an improvement!
I do love that during Mochi Mayhem they gave the dlc nurse just one more bit of dialogue what which was something along the lines of 'woah, everyone is acting weird... want your pokemon healed, kid?'. Not paid enough to care, but still gotta make ends meet so still runs the counter.
The only real criticism I have for the pokemon center lady designs is that I wish they had a more regional vibe.
I am hoping that gen 9 started that and that those in the future have similar style changes
You say that them keeping nurse joy is a sign they are suck in the past but we all know if they ever got rid of her the community would be in flames
That last Nurse Joy looking at me like "WTF YOU WANT"
Saying poke center nurse being Feminine and nurturing is sexist 1960 caricature is in and of itself sexist to the absolute most insane extreme. It is also completely insane in general. There is literally nothing wrong with setting a certain character type to being girls too. Girls can be feminine, nurturing, and sweet. The character is meant to be a warm beacon of joy as you can restore the much needed health and pp of your mons after battling. Plus it doesn’t matter what the role is anyways, in what universe do you need to justify a person being nurturing and a girl being feminine, like why wouldn’t girls be allowed to be those things.
yep, finally someone in the comments said it
The art of her is so cute! That first one is absolutely adorable, I love it!
Still the og nurse joy is an absolute smash tho
I remeber in Black and White there are nurse trainers who become Pokémon centers after you defeat them.
"Strangely conservative"
Dude it's Japan, it's a theme
I just like the old style I don’t particularly care for the new version cause it just looks less professional too me
I hope the "technology is incredible" guy is next.
Hopefully we don’t get a Pokemon set in Canada where you’re made to wait 3 weeks before you can get a healing appointment
"Jenny, oh Jenny. Joy, oh Joy. A one woman man's what I wanna be but theres two perfect girls for me.". -Brock
Big Pokémon wants you to believe Nurse Joy aren't clones.
Oh no...fuck that last baseball cap design. The first design in the thumbnail is wonderful. Also, fuck the convenience store design. but that last one?? OH HELL NO.
I am fine with the traditional idea. It sticks well enough as a cultural aspect of this poke center.
Couldn't disagree more.
i never thought of Nurse Joy or Officer Jenny as conservative because they were obviously the top professionals in their jobs. in a lot of the episodes, men study under Nurse Joy or are often taking orders from and reporting to Officer Jenny. so, idk, it never came off to me that way.
There's some Gen I art that shows a nurse with black pigtails instead of the pink hoop hairstyle inspired by the anime's Nurse Joy.
I like the swsh pokemon nurses because their designs are based oj victorian era uniforms. Its nice
I’m gonna miss her old versions
I’m sorry but there’s nothing wrong, nothing outdated, nothing “conservative” about a nurse lady in a dress.
People are wild 💀
like the ones acting like he personally kicked their dog over an opinion?
Oh wow I do not like that new design at all
And the craziest thing is, in the 2nd dlc, you can heal your Pokémon WITHOUT THE NURSE.
I prefer the more traditional/conservative outfits that have some charm and beauty to it compared to modern getup that is bland and generic.
Wouldn’t say it’s a “Conservative touch” since the lack of male doctors and nurse joy being in charge is always going to lean more into progressive category. As sadly there is a lot of sexism in medical field
I feel like the teal mask nurse was a homage to Jessie being able to be a nurse. She has the makeup that does pay homage to her.
I miss the original nurse joy
Maid dresses are always cute
The Pokémon world is very retro-futuristic in a sense; they have the technology to digitize living breathing creatures, can heal said creatures from potentially deadly injury at the press of a button, & completely safe & standardized teleportation tech. But the aesthetic of their technology is always clunkier & more tactile than what we have in real life, & there's a lot of the archetypal 50s stay-at-home mom, skirt wearing nurse, policewoman who also wears a skirt & pumps for some reason, etc.
That's very much intentional, it's a way to keep the setting grounded. If the setting gets TOO futuristic then it's very easy to alienate the audience, so a lot of anime tends to keep more traditional elements on their futuristic settings so it can be relatable.
Its something even Tezuka took note of when he was writing Astro Boy.
There is also that town in Alola that the Skulls are in charge of.
I thought that was a trap and would fly to other Centers 😂
Personally I absolutely hate the newest designs, as the classic nurse style and everything worked well with the small changes from generation to generation, and the difference between the two is so far that I honestly don’t see them as the same character. The familiarity of nurse joy connected the regions and made the Pokémon centers feel more homey and friendly, like they should as the checkpoints and rest stops of your journey around the region.
Call me old (I'm 24) but I'm a fan of the classics
I want my old anime nurse joy back 😢
Idk, I prefer the old Nurse Joy Design. whenever they make the newer designs, it always looks weird, even looking at it in S/V, that's weird.
What's this dudes problem?!
Honestly I just liked the odd implication of all nurses being related in some way. They all look identical, or at least VERY similar. Same as the cops.
Ive always liked the anime interpretation of nurse joy because it actually seems like they have a purpose
There is like no reason for nurse joy to exist in the games because surely we can operate the healing machines by ourselves
Hey don't you dare forget about that one that team skull member
I like the "bland design" its like shes more a caring nurse, they are cute and it feels like they would comfort and carefully care for pokemon, dont get me wrong the new nurse joys look like they would do that, but they lack that vibe
The new designs for the nurses are nice but you can't beat the classics
I prefer the older designs.
Yeah, I much prefer the older design of the nurses and the Pokemon Centers. Just having a clerk put your Pokemon in an HP vending machine just seems so sterile and impersonal.
You'll also notice modern nurses no longer have the cross sign on their hats. I think that was because the Red Cross trademarked that symbol and are fiercely protective of it.
Ngl I kinda like the older gen’s Nurses better than Scarlet and Violet
Its just one of those things that dont need changing, if it aint broke, dont fix it
X/Y has to be my favorite though!