Thomastik-Infeld Strings - are they really worth $25?
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I picked up a brand new Eastman AR810CE last week and after searching the depths of the internet for a good set of strings to put on it, I noticed the Thomastik-Infeld Jazz Bebop roundwound sets kept popping up but I couldn't find a good demo of them. This video is a basic side-by-side comparison to another popular set of strings that has a similar life span. In my opinion the TI's are clearer, more balanced, and louder than the other set. Listen for yourself and decide if the sound difference is worth the extra money.
If you'd rather skip my awkward babble and get straight to listening:
Cleartone strings acoustic: 0:35
Thomastik-Infeld acoustic: 1:07
Both acoustically back to back: 1:41
Cleartone strings through an amp: 2:08
Thomastik-Infeld through an amp: 2:43
Both through the amp back to back: 3:18
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Hey guys, just wanted to check back here with an update. I replaced these strings yesterday. After the first month of being on the guitar, the strings settled in to a nice warm sound and they maintained that for 7 months until the intonation got a little funny (like all strings do eventually). I've posted a follow up video so you can hear what they sound like near the end of their life. th-cam.com/video/bDHJii52bgA/w-d-xo.html
I use the lightest 0000 sandpaper and then lighter fluid to clean them up. Amazingly extends life and intonation. James Jamerson the bassist kept strings on 2-3 years!
These strings never go bad unless they break. Unless your goal is a very bright sound.
Just to make sure I am being clear, I mean the term never to mean NEVEF
you play very nicely it sounded good no matter what strings you had on which leads me to believe that the player is more important than the strings. :)
Thanks Robbie :)
Robbie Speirs in
That is very true, at least as far as the listener is concerned, however different strings/gear affect the playing experience for the musician, and this can also directly influence the quality of performance, the outcomes.
Wow, nice playing! And all the way thumbs up for the Thomastik-Infelds.
Thanks Michael!
The "gold" strings you mentioned are brass plated, to help prevent corrosion. Hope this helps.
Ill be darned! What a dream!
Yeah, nice choice for a demo tune.
I was surprised, but liked the Cleartone MUCH more, than the Thomastik. In all configurations.
really well put together, thanks for going to such lengths to make it clear :)
My pleasure Chris. Glad it could help you!
(Feb 2017) I had one of these Eastmans...and being the zoid I am, loaded it with Thomastik flatwounds...13-53, I think. No pick. I didn't find that the guitar had the sound I wanted, and sold it. But...the guy who bought it came over and played it with his fingernails, and it sounded marvelous. Now I use Thomastik Infeld flatwounds 13-53 on a hand made solid body electric, playing with my no nail fingers and thumb, and could never go back to other strings. And guess what? This year I found a seller on ebay who had four sets of them, and the bidding started at $40. Free shipping. NO ONE ELSE bid on them. Huh? Just me? It's a big world out there...and no one else? So, they come in the mail...40 bucks for four sets. The guy says he has another four sets. Same thing. I win those at $40.. That's eight sets of these things for $80. total. I saved $120. bucks. Unreal. And with my meager soc sec., I thought I would never be able to buy these things again. (I play through an ancient Roland Acoustic Chorus 100 that has never needed any work on it) I dig the RIch Severson jazz lessons on youtube. His Bluesette chord melody lesson is excellent...
I will admit that mine is very different from the other Eastmans. The top was a lot more responsive than the others I had tried, and I think it has to do with the finish (as dumb as that might sound). This is the first 807 with a varnish instead of a lacquer. Acoustically, this instrument is wonderful, but it took me a few months to adjust to it. You can hear in this video that my pick hand was still a bit heavy. Congrats on the steal for the roundwounds!
It's the way the 13-56 flatwounds sound with fingers and thumb that I dig. Your attack changes after a while, and you almost feel like you're playing chord melodies on an electric bass.
I totally agree with that. I love how they make me play
I hope you're keeping them in an air-tight container as they will rust in a couple of years in temperate climates .
Solid demo. The TI's sound great!
Love the thomastiks. Well worth the money imo. They last longer, feel better and make the instrument sound more expensive. It's win win win
It's true, they definitely last a lot longer
You’re very talented Alex. I hope you’re still playing!
I love the way they feel thomastik got them on my Martin d18
Have you got the thonastik "plectrum" set? I live how the flatwound a-g feel and the round low e sounds. Best strings I've ever had but the elixir fanboys won't have it!
Thomasiks are really great. Not too bright, perfect amount of warmth, & very easy to use. Your playing is great btw
Thank you very much!
Great review! I'm both a violinist and jazz (beginner) guitarist, and when my teacher mentioned Thomastic I was like "hmmm I've heard this name before". Will definitely move to them now.
I like the way they feel u dear fingers
Great comparison, and great playing. Well done.
Thanks!
Recently put thomastik 12s on my artstar prestige Hollow....
Really great strings...
Clear, defined, easy on hands...
Highly recommended
TI round wound appear to bloom a bit more. Great playing and detailed demo. Btw- did you need to compensate your bridge to accommodate the plain G? Thanks.
Thanks for your thoughts Steve! No I didn’t have to do any work on the bridge.
Very nice playing, your hands are made for the guitar. The Jazz Bebop strings have a much fuller sound love them.
Awesome playing! I love the melody to Darn that Dream. Now I want to learn it!
Feel free to steal my arrangement :)
Thanks I might just try that!
El Tigre n
The thomastiks sound a lot more present in the mids to me.
Agreed fully. So much more tone there.
Nice playing! I use Thomastik Bebop strings on 2 different Eastman 7 string archtops & my newer Ted Megas 7 string. Best strings ever, and they last long.
Hey there, Gminor7! I am curious, I looked on the Thomastik website and did not see any mention of 7 or 8 string guitar strings? Maybe i did not look hard enough... I would love to get a set of round wound for my 8 string semi hollow.
I have found the D'Addario flat wounds are fabulous without the hefty price tag .
Very different strings. I plan on comparing them very soon
Love D'Addario Chromes / Flat Wound strings. They have a great sound for the price. The Thomastik-Infeld's sounded really nice in this video though!
@@AlexPriceMusician GB uses darrio 13's on the road .He doesnt like the 14 set due to the feel 14,018,021 etc.They warp the necks too on most guitars. The few times he did he swapped the first two with 013 and 017. Deception is the game when big money is involved! Idiolize noone,develop our own sh..!
@@travelingman9763 Actually I know a guy that is doing exactly the opposite of that. He takes the E and B from a 14 set and the bottom 4 strings from a 13 set. To each their own...
Good comparison video and great playing! Being an Austrian, I just want to let you know, that the stressed syllable on "Thomastik" is the "mas".
Guitarversum Sandra Sherman thank you for that! I never would’ve known haha
I always chuckle a bit when guitarists think $25 is alot for strings. Thomastik Infeld Flats are at least somewhere in the $50's for bass, haha.
Locke For real, we have it easy. Violin strings are easily at least $50 and a good set of cello strings start at $150.
Alex Price Don't even get me started on double bass strings. Nice demo, by the way.
Where can I find Thomastik-Infeld Jazz flatwound 43-100 for $50 bucks? I live in Canada and I paid $90 CAD.
zororosario The 4-string variant is $62 in the states on amazon.
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Cheers!
Nice playing! Nice guitar! I don't know if your less-than-ideal recording setup played thru my insanely less-than-ideal playback setup really does justice to the difference (and there is a noticeable difference even so). You want to hear these strings live to really appreciate them. The first time I put Thomastik Infelds on my guitar (heritage 575) all I could think was: this is how my guitar is supposed to sound! I'm a super cheapskate and cut corners whereever I can (and somethings when i can't) and I hate paying for premium strings... but imho they are worth every penny.
Thanks! I could definitely hear a difference!
Thanks for your thoughts!
Top of the line choice for strings, you play cool style ,good stuff.
Thank you!
Redlands Guitar Shop in Redlands, CA, sells Thomastik Infeld strings for $15 a set. Great strings, great price!
Ah thanks for the recommendation!
What impressed me the most was your playing. The 4th and 5th strings run a little lighter in Thomastik strings compared to some other popular brands
Thanks! Very true about the 4th and 5th strings.
I live in austria and pay half of what you guys have to spend in order to obtain a set!
I think that's just fair, as your run of the mill american guitar brand charges us poor suckers 20-30% more ;-)
Best wishes
You make a valid point.I live in Canada & it's the same here for us buying U.S. instruments. I use Thomastik-Infeld Jazz flatwounds for my Fender P/J Bass and they cost about $90.00 CAD. They cost about 15% more down in the U.S.
yes, but we call them rabbits
damn man
Why don't you try some Pyramid Gold Flatwounds?
They sound great. More mellow, less twang.
Totally agree with you
For us here in Europe /UK buying TI strings make a lot of sense. Still dear, but not as much and the quality if fantastic.
I am jealous! I might pick up a couple next time I’m in England.
Nice playing. No discernable difference acoustically. The TIs sounded fuller amped.
Nobody has said anything about trying these on a Stratocaster,,. I just ordered the 9-43s Blues Sliders,, I trust that they are gonna sound great 🙂
I'd say that tone is worth the price. I just put a set of their Powerbass strings on one of my basses and you can tell right away that there is a clear difference.
How did you like them?
Best strings out there. I use bebops on my Guild X170's and they just sound great. Lasts a lot longer than conventional strings. They actually just START opening up in the time when other strings will have to be changed. I've told as many people about them that play semi or full hollow bodies that I know. I've been that impressed with them
You're totally right on that. These strings sounded even better after 2 months of use.
Great playing
Thank you !
Great comparison video! As an ex-violinist, I find the title of this video somewhat amusing. A top of the line set of strings on that instrument run over $100. Now that I'm playing guitar, I love how cheap the accessories are!! :)
Oh, I am well aware. I am a semi-professional violinist/violist as well :)
Oh awesome! Just checked your page for your violin videos and you're quite accomplished! Awesome to see your versatility in music.
great playing, great demo. ta
Thanks Simon!
night and day!!! wow. those second pair are stellar!!!!
Thanks for commenting!
Very helpful. Thank you!
Thanks for listening!
Excellent demo. I have been using the thomastik infeld ac113 on my breedlove ac25sr plus for nearly 4 years and couldnt be happier. They are the only strings i use, but have thought about giving these a try. The ac113 in comparison are well balanced, have great all around bass/mid tone while good projection of a mellower trebble. Thanks!
Thanks for the suggestion! I'll have to try those next.
Both of them sound great, but they sound like complete antithesis of each other. The Cleartones are loud, bright, and aggressive, with very neutral and clean mid-range. I also hear a lot of bright upper mid frequencies from the Cleartone which help a guitar cut through in a live band mix.
The Thomastik-Infeld strings sound comparatively mellow with a warm but slightly boxy mid-range. For jazz the Thomastik-Infeld does sound better but I think the Cleartones will work better for some western swing, country, and maybe even for some classical music.
Have just ordered an Eastman AR603ce-15 from Richards Guitars here in the UK. For the style of playing I like, the T-I's sounded warmer and smoother. It would have been useful to hear how the strings responded when playing with your thumb or even fingerstyle. (I tend to use thumb or the rounded end of a pick for softer attack and tone). Nevertheless, this was a very interesting and useful upload - thanks for taking the time.
Glad it has helped Alan!
Thank you very much for this useful comparison. The thomastik-Infeld strings sound far better!
But for violin and viola strings, I hate thomastik.
Thomastik flatwounds are worth all the money they ask for and then some. They sound unbelievable, don't go dead in the first five seconds like D'Addario flats and, on top of everything, they are balanced tension. With other brands I'm always forced to go up a number on the high B and E, otherwise they are too thin and floppy, no body to the sound - but with Thomastik it's unnecessary, the gauges are perfect.
Great demo, loved your playing, sounded very much like Gypsy jazz. Strings sounded really good, I'm going to buy the 11's JS111, these are flatwound, tried some on a friend's guitar and love the feel.
I use the Jazz swings myself and love them! Let me know how it goes
Thanks. Big help. TI, really nice high bass/low midrange body.
Allan Ploth thanks for watching!
$35 and its a very easy 'YES'. these strings are so clean and pretty. they feel great. and $25-35 is nothing considering its importance in your sound and considering you spend $100's if not $1000's on your actual guitar and amp.
One thing. It would be great to hear the amp sound isolated from the room mike. What we are hearing is a mix of amp and miked guitar from the mic you're talking into. It's not really what the amp sounds like.
Eh, personally when I play this guitar it's always in an environment where you can hear the acoustic and amplified tones equally. This was a conscious decision of mine when I made the video.
The expensive strings sound clearer, but not sure for $25.
Great tune - Darn That Dream - and great playing.... great strings, the Thomastik-Infeld! I use their flat-wounds on any and every guitar!
Thank you :) The TI flatwounds are next on my list to try
the best "phat" jazz tone i have found is with the TI "Jazz Swing" .013 - .053 -and worth every penny of $25 (though they are only $18 here in Tokyo hehe....)
After only using those 13-56 flatwounds on my solid body electric for the last five years, and only using my fingers and thumb to play jazz...well, a special style comes forward. You can attack in a big way, and your thumb doesn't get cut up.
Great guitar, sounds good with either one to me.
Thomastik innfeld swing is what i use. Can use Them for years! Rust is not possible. They shine like new.... Other brands turn black. On a non adjustible bridge... At the 12 fret position n o difference after many years! ( Pushed in- against flaegolet) So value for money IT is!
Thanks for sharing your experience!
Yes!!
Love TI strings, my Les Paul Custom sounds so good 👍
Thomastik-Infeld BeBop and Swing series are dedicated to hollowbody guitars.
Are they better in sound is matter of taste.
But difference is huge, I have on my Raven IJZ 500 Ernie Ball Cobalt and they do very good but next set will be Thomastik Swing (flatwound) and I cannot wait but would be a shame to waste almost fresh cobalts x)
You play well kid. Nice ax too. Jazz guitars should ALWAYS have a wound third string. Keep swinging
I think the Thomastiks were slightly darker (and from my experience once they wear in the tone gets nice and round and fat) than the cleartones, but even though they were darker I feel like they had more... "definition", I guess would be the word. Sounds slightly contradictory but I guess that's what trying to pin down differences in timbre is like haha.
Nice arrangement by the way.
I still have this set of strings on and they sound even better now than they did before. I'd like to do a follow up video at some point
Nice rendition of "Good Mornin' Heartache," dude. Jeez. Otherwise, this encourages me to spare the extra $10 for the T-I's.
Darn That Dream
I am about to try those strings in my solid body (gibson scale), thank you man!
No problem! Let me know how they work. I've never tried them on a solid body before.
Alex
That was a great demonstration. I preferred the cleartones.
T. I 's a tad muddier.
Thanks for listening!
I've tried the Thomastik Bebop strings on my Gibson Howard Roberts Fusion III and Gretsch Electromatic and the mid and high range are just to bright/tinny for my taste. I went to Elixir Nanoweb. But may go back to flats. PS - the Eastman sounds terrific...maybe I need to get one of those instead of struggling with string choice! thanks for the video help.
Thanks for your thoughts! The Eastman is really a great instrument.
Your babble is not awkward Alex :)
Haha thank you Joe
Your Eastman guitar looks and sounds amazing. I would love to know how much and where you got it.
Thanks! I got it at Guitars N Jazz in Summit, New Jersey. I don't remember the price exactly but it starts with a 2.
I know this video is really old and I'm hoping you see this post. I'm just learning Jazz I'm very interested in what you were playing. Is that a piece of music or were you just fiddling around. Thanks
Awesome play playing....sounds like some classical training in there (lol). Anyway, thanks for posting. I'm going to send you a friend on FB.
Thanks Reggie! I've had many years of classical training
Couldn't hear much difference acoustically but the TI sound slightly nicer (to me) when amplified. Sorry but I was focused more on your playing, which is great but you should consider not using a pick.
I know this question will be a alittle off topic to the video but I wanted to know what you would recommend to someone starting jazz guitar (if you are a jazz guitar player) like what things someone should have or need to know before starting? Love the playing for the demo
Hi Azen! As far as getting a good jazz sound goes, I would start by using at least 11 gauge strings if you are on an electric guitar and check out the Dunlop 205 guitar picks. Learning all of your maj7, dom7, and min7 root chord voicings is a good place to start.
Thanks for the kind words!
Definitely The Thomastic-Infield! What’s the name of that tune, please? Thanks!!!!
For me, the TI strings sound like classical guitars.
I liked the Cleartones better. The roundness of the strings were lost with the TIs.
Personally I thought the Cleartones sounded brittle but everyone will hear them differently!
MMm I did prefer the THomastik acoustically, but plugged in i could hear to much of the acoustic guitar, maybe they amp wasn't as high in volume?
I actually did that purposefully. When I play this guitar out, I usually amplify it just a bit so the audience is actually hearing a combination of the amplified and acoustic tone. I rarely play this guitar loud enough that you wouldn't hear any of the acoustic tone.
Definitely The Thomastic-Infeld Strings! Awesome Guitarist! What’s the name of that tune, please? Thanks
Thanks! Which part?
@@AlexPriceMusician All, if it’s a conglomeration of more than one composition. Thanks
How do you get such a tight sound. I have an Eastman 17inch AR610CE mahogany and a blues jr and the tones I get a really muddy even with the bass or mids pulled out
Nice demo, buddy. What song is that? thats sounds perfect. thanks!!!
Darn That Dream
Put them on if you are recording, otherwise save the money
I like tomastik sound
Well, the George Benson model are around $36 nowadays - Dec. 2017.
He use Daddario Chromes 13's on the road
Tone is so subjective, but I preferred the mellower, less twangy tone of the TI set.
Thanks for your thoughts Bo!
Has anyone had a problem with TI's breaking for no apparent reason while tuning?
Check your guitar first for a sharp bur on the nut or saddle I would say. I have heard from others that Thomastik Infeld can have hit or miss quality but I haven't experienced that yet myself.
I'm changing the Chrome 12's I have on my Godin Jazz archtop because they feel so restricting and stiff and substituting TI 12's on recommendation so this demo was really useful, thank you. Have you encountered this with Chromes?
Hi! I tried Chromes years ago but never really cared for them - that's because I'm not much of a fan of flatwounds. I also thought they were difficult to play. Know that this video is for the TI roundwound set, not the flatwounds. I would assume that the same gauge in flatwound strings has more tension.
That is correct. At the same gauge as roundwound strings, flatwound strings have a thicker core to substitute for the flat winding. They are thus stiffer. The obvious solution is to use a smaller gauge of string with the same tension as a larger diameter roundwound.
Why are they called Bebop? (as opposed to the flatwounds that go under the name Swing?)
Just for fun or are roundwounds more commonly used in Bebop?^^
Jakob Ullmann no clue. I’d say just use what you’re comfortable with.
so when you say no eq, is everything at 12oclock
Karl Beerman Correct. The 3 band channels are set midway.
What pickups do you have on your Eastman? I’m seriously considering swapping out my stock Armstrong out...
Actually in this video was just the stock pickup. I later switched to a floating Kent Armstrong 12-pole PAF. Check out my $2,000 vs $400 archtop video. It's there.
Personally, D'Addario Flats 11s are fantastic for a lot less.
The TI Bebop strings aren't flatwounds
I use Curt Mangan strings, I have my own "Thomas Martin Scott" Signature sets. Much cheaper and sound at LEAST as good as those! Check 'em out!
Thanks for the recommendation! I'll have to check them out. I'd love to A/B them sometime.
They sound the same to my ear. I do laugh at Thomastik-Infeld claims of handmade guitar strings. Do they extrude the wire by hand? No all their core and music wire is bought for a wire company.
Do they wind the strings by hand? no they have machines that wind the music wire onto the core wire. Ball ends? Machine too.
"Handmade" strings always still have a machine somewhere in the line but I think there's varying degrees. Look at D'Addario (still great strings, btw) and a smaller company like String Joy. String Joy will feed the machines and winders by hand while I imagine most of D'Addario's work is automated.
The best test is with no pick. Then it's about what you can pull out with your thumb.
to MAS tik
Got Thomastiks on my Martin D28 and Fender CS Jazz bass. They are much more expensive, last much, much, much longer, and they are sensational. No-brainer.
Which set are you using on your Martin? I’d love to try a set on my HD-28
TI Spectrum Bronze 12-54. Recommended!
How much would you say you played during that 7 month period? Trying to debate whether it's worth the money.. i do break strings quite often at gigs :((
I probably play 1-2 hours a day on that guitar. What are you doing that you're breaking strings? I haven't broken a string in years
some people have more acidic hands or something, apparently. Also, if you tend to play single note styles where you bend a lot, if you like to "dig in" with the pick to get those particular single note sounds. When I go through a plectrumy bluesy phase I always start breaking strings.
I play in a band that plays a high energy Bluegrass/gypsy jazz sort of style where i am chunking away and digging in hard at times. So that's why i guess. It's very annoying and I thought it might have been how I put the strings on the guitar, but that's not it. I put them on just like everyone else. It must just be that I strike the strings too hard when I'm playing that style because I never break strings when i am just playing Jazz.
@J Andrew Nelson Do they tend to break when you're playing rhythm chops? If so, then it's probably the rhythm playing that's doing it, so just hold it back a little! Even though it's hard not to just get into the zone and chunk chunk chunk chunk away on tasty minor 6ths, you're probably not gaining anything by always having the strings pushed that close to their limits. You end up compressing your sound; not giving yourself any room to accent when you want to. On top of that, if your rhythm playing is at the top of your volume, then the rest of the band will adjust to where you're at. Then when it's your turn to take a solo you'll just disappear as soon as you're playing single note lines.
If you're a relatively gentle rhythm player mostly, and your strings always snap when you're playing single note lines, then I don't know what to tell you. Twanging the f*** out of strings sounds great and feels great. Such is life.
Last thing is that it might be that you have acidic hands or whatever; it's a thing. Try a coated string and see if you get more mileage out of it? If it makes a huge difference, then that's probably the reason they were breaking a lot.
The TI's sound better.
Agreed.
Good violin strings cost around $120. Good Upright Bass strings over $500.
Oh I know some brands are that expensive for violin but I've always been happy with TI Dominants. Sometimes I switch it up and use the D'Addario Kaplan Vivo set.
I like the TI Dominants as well. I have them on a nice violin and they sound good and last a long time. I think I paid $55 for my set. The $110 set was Pirastro Olive or maybe just the heaviest set Pirastro makes. I usually purchase Pirastro Gut strings.
I have a viola, and a Cello as well as 5 violins and an upright bass to keep in strings. I can spend a real lot of money sometimes. I do my best to make my sting's last. Things like keeping my fingernails short so that they can not cut the strings is one approach, especially for gut strings. Since instruments without frets are intonated by the player's ear you can keep your strings until they break or sound dead.
On my Indian Instruments like Sarangi I even re-tie broken strings, with no break in the actual vibrating area from the nut to the bridge.
I have a Veena and I re-tied a broken steel sympathy string because I was to lazy to pull out a new one. To my astonishment it sounded normal-with a square knot right in the middle! That string is not plucked but rather resonates with other strings so I got away with it.
It's like so weird, I have spent about a thousand dollars on guitar cases-that really irritates me. A Thousand dollars buys a nice instrument.
I would love to hear you play some of those instruments! Pirastro is great but too bright for my particular instrument :)
I'm in Tennessee, U.S.A., you?
Philadelphia! A bit far, but not for the beauty of the internet
what song are you playing? i want to learn it
It's a jazz standard called 'Darn That Dream'
Can these strings be used for other genres of playing?
yesss
Amazing ME thanks I know it's a dumb question it's just I'm still kind if new to the guitar and I want to be able to play jazz.
@@noahb7942 Check out the guitarist from Khruangbin. One of my favorite musicians and he plays a strat with flatwounds. He's got a very different style.
Where are you getting Thomastiks for $25?
Amazon.com. This amount is in US dollars though.
About USD19 on Strings and Beyond .
N Pet plus shipping, I just bought from them.
Optima Gold Strings...All the way.....:)))) Please Please let me know when you are around İstanbul :)))))
Murat Taner maybe soon! I’m working on cruise ships these days
great. cool ı ll be lookin forward to meet you . my mail is mutaornet71@gmail.com :))))
whats the song called or is it improv
Vincers The song is called 'Round Midnight by Thelonius Monk
The song is actually Darn That Dream if I'm not mistaken. Great playing by the way : )
Whoops, you're 100% right. I didn't check back to the video when I responded. I was working on an arrangement of 'Round Midnight during the same time that I made this video.