the Muzzleloading shotgun how to load and hunt with it
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- i recently got a tc NewEnglander 12 muzzloading shotgun . i took it to my loacl shooting club range to show is a safe enviroment how to load and use the shotgun for hunting small game.
in part 2 i will cover wadding chokes and mid and heavy loads stay tuned
Still waiting for the round ball in the shotgun video
i didn't see a part 2, is it still forthcoming?
Blackoracle69 where is part 2...??
I'm also wondering about part 2 and also loads for a replica double barrel.
I've been ignoring this video for awhile because I'm not a shotgun guy but I decided to watch and I've just learned more about loadings for shotguns in 30 min than I have in my entire life.
thanks for watching
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Best video on shotgun muzzleloader I have seen so far thank you so much
Thanks!
Without a doubt the best explanation of how a shotgun works that I’ve ever heard. Too many people worry about how much power they can get that they blow their load. Lol. Keep doing what you’re doing Blackie. I grew up on an old 20 gauge single shot that always did what I needed it to.
I love those T.C. New Englanders. I have a .54 & the 12ga. Great video, excellent load breakdown 👍👍
they are very nice
About the best description of the Art of the shotgun, my grandfather was a market hunter and knew about shotguns. A victorian game keeper could not have been better at explanation.
Can't attest to this from personal experience, but watched another muzzleloader who used 1/2 of a cushion wad for medium to heavy loads. He said he was getting blown patterns that he initially blamed on the overshot card. But then he discovered that the pellets were embedding themselves into the cushion wad. Apparently the extra weight from the embedded lead kept up the inertia of the wad, and that was what was blowing his patterns. Still uses 1/2 cushion wads, but places an overshot card on top before loading shot. Said his blown patterns disappeared. Thought I'd relay this to you in case you wanted to investigate it.
Blackie, you are definitely the man....I have been watching your videos for a long, long time. I am well into black powder shotguns and revolvers now in my tenth decade...and just love it. My shotguns are 12 gauge cylinder bore vintage muzzle loading shotguns. Here is how I load and get good well distributed and consistent patterns. Powder down and always use 1FG which I make myself....ball of wasp nest tightly packed....two stiff cards cut from waxed mild cartons.....shot and usually more shot than powder....then of course, a card over the shot. I never use nitro cards or fiber cushion cards because they are heavy and add weight to the load that the powder will be pushing....and can fly thorough the shot and disrupt the pattern....and pressure is vented through the nipple orifice making a cushion wad unnecessary to protect the shot from set back. And of late, I have learned that a fiber wad soaked in olive oil or any other vegetable oil and loaded over the shot card will give tighter patterns....called the Skychief load....have no idea why it works but it does in my old guns. Keep up the very good work, and what I would give for your hat. Take care and Happy New Year to you and yours!!!
sounds like you have it dialed in thanks for the comment
Another great video filled with useful information. Black powder shotguns are likely one of the most versatile tools on any hunter's gun rack. Looking forward to Part Two.
Hi, Blackie. Great video. Love all your stuff. I worked at the Thompson Center Arms factory (the original New Hampshire location).
awesome
I watched a video of you cleaning out the rust on your gun, the 50 caliber and I watched a video of you sighting in that gun, and I think both of those videos gave me more information than I ever received and black powder. Thank you very much.
I have my grandfather old black powder double barrel cap lock with rabbit ear hammer's. My grandfather was born in 1892 and in 1974 just before he passed and joined the lord he taught me a lot about loading the double barrel about powder volume and shot weight and about the black powder wad over the powder and they are many different volumes of powder and shot and shot size. But the thing about something special I learned from him for the shot measure and what he made to put his shot in . He used a dowel rod that was marked on the dowel rod and he had one end for full choke and one for modified bore on the dowel rod and the ends of the dowel rod had a 5/16 or a little better deep hole in it. And the hole diameter looks like a 5/16th in. He taught me to roll pieces of cut grocery store paper bags to the right size and roll the paper around the dowel rod really snug and then tuck the paper in the hole in the tip of the dowel rod and he had it figured out how long the tube of paper should be for the shot load we were making and it was about 1and half inch more than the shot dept in the paper tube. We would pull the paper tube off the dowel rod and pour in the shot and my grandfather showed my how to properly fold the end of the paper tube of shot. Well he made his own paper tube with shot in them a peice of maple wood and he drilled 15 Hole's with a forstner drill bit just a slight bigger around than the shot tubes just a 1/16 th in . Bigger and Left it where the paper tube was about 3/4 in . Taller than wood block with holes in it and he made a lid out of maple 2 inch thick with holes drilled with a forstner drill bit just a little bigger and the lid had two hinges and a latch on the front of the shot and paper tube holder. He said that powder wad will blow a hole through your shot like a hole in a steel washer . So we put the powder wad a cushion wad and when you put these paper shot tubes in the barrel about a inch from the muzzle go ahead and cap it with the over shot wad and push it all the way down to the wad and powder and I did that and he taught me to load and shoot that black powder double barrel when I was 10 year's old. He always hunted turkey 🦃 and he taught me you can use two raps of paper of the grocery store bags and your shot will open up a little bit sooner but still have a pretty good group of shot. And he said for him shooting turkey 🦃 he likes to use 4 raps of paper to 5 raps because he wanted the most shot in a wad because a turkey head not very big and that's what he was aiming for and I have to say just one time I went turkey hunting and sit there with him and I have to say that old double barrel shotgun with the burly walnut stock and foregrip darn near took that turkeys gobbler clean off and we were probably 25 yards and that is a one time experience I hope I never forget! My grandfather before I could go hunting turkey with him. He told me I couldn't speak or talk to anyone for a whole week and I did just that so I could go with him and learn something from him and what to do when that goblet came out and wait for the right moment and boy I was nervous and I couldn't get my heart to slow down. I thought that old turkey was going to get run off from the sound of my heart . But grandfather blasted him a good one. He told me his daddy taught him how to make paper shot tubes for the shot because they didn't have plastic shot gun wads back then. If you want your shot to go further and in a tighter group use more raps and he had powder charge's and shot weights of different size shots written down on paper and how many raps of paper for each type of hunting. He gave me the old double barrel shotgun and I have it just as clean as it was in 1975 when he passed away just a few months after he gave me the black powder double barrel shotgun with rabbit ear hammer's. MR.BLACKIE I hope and pray that you will make a dowel rod paper tube like I decided to you and a solid peice of wood drilled out for 15 or 20 paper shot tubes and lid with hinges and latche and a leather shoulder strap. I believe it would look very nice to cover the wood block that holds paper tubes and shot . Cover it with some nice looking old leather a reddish brown color maybe. I hope you try the paper tubes and shot and the right size dowel rod or wood broom handle and see how it works. Love your videos and may GOD bless you and your family.
You should make a video too pass on his legacy or will be lost with you
Would love to see pictures of that set up. Have just started making paper cartridges for an 1841 musket I am making into a fowling peice. First batch was pretty lack luster as far as pattern goes at 25yrds. Hope to do some more testing this weekend.
Great following you on this. Do I have a muzzleloader? No, doesn't matter - interesting and I learned some stuff too.
Blackie, im 52 & been hunting since 14 & reloading for 30 yrs...I never knew what dram meant till now! Lol very educational! I have 2 blackpowder shotgun & they are so fun! Thanks for your time & knowledge!
glad to do it
Very, very interesting presentation Blackie. Thanks for sharing. Quite frankly I didn't even think about a shotgun being in existence way over a hundred years ago.
This is remarkable. The amount of useful information here is just wonderful. Thank you.
Thank you Blackie. Dave's videos were good but yours is better.
I use natural unfiltered wool for my wadding, your mileage may vary but its worked well for me. I also cut my own leather wads for overpowder wad. It has worked very well for me. I only use the leather with shot. Balls and minies just wool over the top, no over powder wad. Seems to pattern better for me. Typical heavy load for me is 100 grains of ffg swiss. I run 60-70 behind a 580 grain minie. Just got a 20 gauge fusil de chasse from TVM
Muzzleloading shotguns are just so vastly versatile. Hard to cover everything with them. I do the same thing with my wads, absolutely 5/8".
Ive been tempted to make up paper cartridges for my 20 gauge with shot and slugs honestly.
i will address that in the part 2 wadding is what you got to use in a choked barrel since its too tight for the wads to work i will talk on it in part 2
Blackie this the best explanation for black powder shotgunning ever. Wish I could of had this info 30 years ago when I started. I was gifted a CVA 12gauge NTWF and there wasn’t a lot info then . I’ve taken several turkey with it. Black powder shotguns are a lot of fun and great shooters . Thanks for another informative video .
in part 2 i will show some sources of info to help those starting out
This is a lot like Dave Canterbury's video but replace Dave with a Good Ole Southern Boy.
Great video, sir. It helped me a bit in my search for load data for my single shot 12 gauge Dave Canterbury setup.
I'm trying to find actual data but this is a help. Also ive subscribed
Clicked on link because I have never seen a gun stock made from watermelon.
Learned about too much powder behind shot.
Thanks much!
That's a mighty fancy paint job on that shotgun , mine is walnut and blue steel
Mountain man
yep it sure is
I really like the way you premeasure your shot charge. What i do is make tubes of shot around a mandrel so i can make something like a paper coin tube for my shot and I measure powder in the field. I kinda like your method better.
Great demo and information, Blackie! I love this stuff!! Can’t wait for part two!
Coming soon!
Great video I do almost the same as you but I cut cardboard then wax it for over powder cards I drill a 3/4 board with 3/4 holes and fill it with wet newspaper put it in the sun and let dry I cut them down sometimes put mink oil on them for cushion wads and pop and cereal boxs for over shot cards and but I shoot 55grs for light ,70 for med and a 80 for a heavy load I shoot square load for small game l but turkeys and birds I go to oz. And use a 2 inch piece of patching or a cup I make out heavy paper with slits in it havent shot ball out of them cause they are originals from 1800s I carry speed loaders that are pill bottles with the lids that will screw on to each other can't wait to see the next video god bless you
Blackie , Great Outstanding Information and Video. Lots of Tips on black power shotgun . Yes You Are The Master Woodsman and Bushcrafter. Thanks for sharing your Time and knowledge and wisdom. Tim L.
This is a really good video. Making it simple but VERY usable info
Really looking forward to the next video on that 12 gauge muzzleloading shotgun enjoy the video now I know how to load with homemade supplies I'm thinking about order me a old shotgun Muzzleloader are going to a gun show and buy 11-day just takes time I get tired of missing rabbits and squirrels with my pellet rifle thanks a lot Blackie
I like how you went into details now I've gotta have a muzzle loading shotgun
Great video Blackie! Good to see that ole Hoss of a shotgun back in action. Stay safe!
Great introductory video. I just got supplies for a 12 gauge muzzleloader that has been in my wife's family for 100 years. Now time clean it up and kill some targets.
Good information, I have several of the OLD Lee loaders for different gauges and a couple of them have adjustable shot/powder charges that are measured in drams. Ballistic products carries the. Cards and wads for loading the old style shot shells .
Thanks, Blackie! You taught a 70 year old something new!
Rock on!
That was a really great video. I really enjoyed it. That shotgun looks like a TC grey hawk with a 12 ga. Barrel, with a really nice finish.
Blackie I have a chance on buying a Thomson center hawkin 50cal. It's in new condition with not a scratch on it. Do you think it would be worth buying for 500 dollars.
tc hawkens are know for good accuracy so if its in that shape i would think so
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I'm sold. I'll be investing in one of those. Thank you for sharing.
Blackie, MRE boxes make great cards. Great videos. I’m really enjoying this black powder series. I don’t have a muzzleloading shotgun but I have the 12 and 20 gauge 209 adapters for my shotguns. Really cool stuff.
Good afternoon from Syracuse NY brother thank you for sharing this information
My pleasure
I enjoy this video my friend
Thanks for sharing, I learned a lot and enjoyed watching.
Hey Blackie! Good info. well presented as usual, thanks!
Hey, thanks!
I absolutely adore how you explain things. I actually understand haha.
Great video! Very informative!
I have a CVA double barrel.
Thank you for a very detailed and beautiful video.
I really enjoyed the tutorial Blackie, I may have to get a smooth bore!!
You should!
Great video and I love the shotgun.👍🏻
Thanks 👍
I shoot a 20 and a 10 double barrel. I agree with Blackie equal powder and shot. The only thing I do different is I use felt over 1 card wad for light loads but heavy loads get cork. Great video for beginners Blackie. BP shotgun is a subject that most don't discuss on other shooting channels.
I've been using unworked wool. It lubricates the barrel, holds the powder in place. It also holds heavy ball in place.
Excellent, as usual,you provide great information.
Very relevant, just acquired one , thanks.
awesome
I needed this. My brother has a muzzle loading shotgun
P.S you have said before on one of your videos something about the old timers and how they managed to make due so I just gave you some info that started back in the late 1800s by my great grandmother to my grandfather to me. Those paper shot tubes remind me of the old daisy bb tubes but not that tough of material
Great video. God bless. From Glenn CATT in Massachusetts.
Disappointed you didn’t make the round ball video! Stay safe. ❤
The details blackie goes into awesome… on a side note id like to drink a beer with blackie
thanks
Excellent video!
Thanks Blackie!
Glad you liked it!
can you develop a good tight load for turkey head on .62 caliber smoothbore?
Really enjoyed this video. Would like to see a video on patterning buckshot
Thanks for the info. When is video #2 coming.
Can you shine some light on 10 gauge vs 12 gauge pros and cons, thanks for all the great info !!
I enjoyed watching your video thanks for sharing.
I got a 12 guage flintlock 34 inch barrel like it fer squerrel haven't got any deer or rabbit yet with it.
It's like the ,12 guage duelist 54 has only shorter barrel
Good work like the knowledge
That is why you wear safety glasses so you don't get any pieces of the percussion caps in your eyes and we don't blow down the barrel of the muzzleloader anymore brother and I enjoy your adventures and wisdom brother
Any recommendations on what make or model muzzle loading musket or shotgun is the best bang for the buck? I've been thinking about a smoothbore in 20 ga./ .62 bore for a while now. Just for small game. No Ducks or geese.
I second this question!
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My daddy used to reload his brass 10 gauge shot shells with a hundred grains of 1f black powder and 8 .32 caliber swaged round balls which for a 10 gauge was a moderately heavy load and it was great in his old Parker pokestock blasting cantaloupes and watermelons and pumpkins from 25 yards away
Great video we really need part 2
Just out of curiosity what would happen if you put a 20 gauge shell in a inline muzzleloader that was drilled out for it would that work if you take a inline muzzleloader and drill it out to take a 20 gauge shot gun shell
A great video, very useful information. Thanks
It's surprising how light some of those old fowlers are. You can hold a halfstock 20 gauge in each hand. They made the barrels pretty thin
Great video Blackie!
Thanks!
I have a single shot shotgun with a 20 gauge Black Powder muzzleloader adapter for it.
What would be a good starting load for using a 58 cal ball in it?
When are you going to do more videos with the shotgun I have one of these I have never tried to slug or ball loads. Pretty much got shot loads figured out need more info on ball loads
Small correction, a dram is a unit of weight. This is obvious for a couple reasons: well grains are a unit of weight right? and the volume of 27.3438 grains of gunpowder is of course not going to be the same as the volume of that much #8 shot, so a 'dram' cannot be used to measure volume unless it's given as "drams of something." This is a super common misconception that stems from black powder substitutes and their loads being given in terms of "volume of x grains of black powder."
Well heck , now I've got to go and find a muzzle loading shotgun 😊
those pld timers had it hard. ill just stick with my 870 thanks for the info blackie.
Where could I find one of these shotguns
I've often heard muzzleloaders refered to as muskets. Would it also be safe to assume to call it just a blunderbuss? Granted the technology is more advanced but it's pretty much the same principle.
Thanks Blackie. I bought a 1860 belgium double barrel 12 gauge and I haven't shot it yet but i have been collecting wasp nest for wads. You answered my question about making shot but have you ever tried using plastic wads for shells in your muzzleloader
yes and i will cover that in part 2
I have used plastic wads with black powder and black powder substitutes; it left a small amount of melted plastic in my barrel. If you wish to use plastic with black or a substitute, maybe use a filler of cornmeal or cardboard (wads) between the powder and the plastic to take the heat?
Hi Blackie, I’ve been watching your videos for years and years on your black powder revolver tips and tricks. You were like my online mentor when it came to shooting black powder and I’m very grateful. I bought a TC New Englander 12ga just recently and this video helped a lot, especially the field reloading bottles, sure is a neat trick!
Just a quick question, where did you get your possibles bag there? And what’s your preferred way of carrying game? I just used a grocery bag but I’d like to hear your input. Thanks a lot and all the best!
Where did you find a T/C New Englander .12 ga shotgun. I have a New Englander in .50 cal. Would love to find a .12 ga barrel for mine.
How about me a short single shot shotgun and do mine the same way Dave Canterbury does his except I use wool. Now I have shot cards and wads if I run out of wool I can also reload shells in the field. I got one of those gun adapters from gun adapters but my 209 primers will not fit it nor will they fit the shotgun shell that I cut down so I've had to drill them out and the reason I drilled them out is because I bought a mess of those things I believe around 700. They say shotgun primers and I don't know why they don't fit but they don't. Thanks Blackie for the video it was very interesting I've never seen a black powder shotgun except for double barrel. Keep ye powder dry!
Is it possible to make military style cartridges for this? Or does the separate loading facilitate better performance?
Thank you.
Can i use bird loads in a rifle barrel?
If the pellets are made of lead you can but if there made of something harder they'll wear away the rifling
Looking for a single barrel muzzleloader 12ga. Any suggestions where to look
Can you load buckshot in a muzzleloader that's smooth bore?
I have a single shot shotgun that has a muzzleloader conversion insert. And want to use it for deer with 000 buck.
Any ideas on this?
How did you get that camo?
What make and model is that shotgun🤔
can you do that for 10 gage?
I have a pendersoli double barrel 20 gauge I love but I’m interested in buying some more affordable black powder muzzle loading shotguns. But can’t seem to find much of anything online besides pendersoli selling them
This will help out with my 20 gauge smoothbore trade gun. Thank you.
Seems sort of complicated. I'm brand new to muzzleloader shotgun use. I got a lot to learn.
The double barrels are very expensive sometimes I find some of their fair condition but that single is more interesting to me if you ever get one or get rid of it let me know
Blackie I may be hooked on the black powder soon lol
Thank you for posting!
Good information, Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
excellent video
Great video
thanks
Use . BBs in stead of lead shot less toxic and you can use the shot cup used in a modern shotgun or 2 felt wads
Hey blackie u should make a video on kaido hollow point their on Etsy for $45 for 100 they look good has pics of expansions that look promising maybe work better than the hollow point u tested that were for air rifle as kaido hollow point are soft lead not a lead alloy I have some on order already
Great, thanks
So I hunt regular rifle season with a muzzleloader. But during Spring Turkey Season I use TSS.
Does anyone know if I can use Tungsten # 9 shot in a Muzzleloading shotgun?
Goal would be to match a 3 inch / 2oz load in a modern shell.