A 15-year warranty, unique construction and campervan size, make this Wingamm a unique motorhome
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- Peter Vaughan spends a few days living with a one-of-a-kind motorhome that's no bigger than a campervan. It has a superb-quality monocoque body, a large garage, an electric raising bed and is backed up by a 7-year warranty on the living area and Fiat cab, plus a 15-year warranty on the living area body. It's called the Wingamm City Suite and we tested it in the latest Black Edition spec.
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◼️ REVIEWED BY: Peter Vaughan, Group Motorhome Road Test Editor for MMM magazine and What Motorhome magazine Editor. Peter has been writing about motorhomes since the age of 14, has a love of touring France and is mad about old Italian sports cars.
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TY for sharing...I really enjoyed watching this. Well done! :)
Glad you enjoyed it
As always -lovely Review from you! 💯Thanks from Sweden 🇸🇪
Wow, didn't know I had viewers in Sweden. Thanks for watching!
Great review, thank you
Thank you Peter for another comprehensive review- but that price!!! Think I'll have to look at your back reviews.
Glad you enjoyed it. Not a cheap 'van, this one!
I totally agree. This is not the most appealing of the Wingamm range. I prefer their shorter one. But the price is a little out of this world. You have to be someone who will be commiting to this kind of lifestyle for many years to make the extra cost worthwhile, although it has to be said that they really hold a good price should you eventually sell.
Maybe if you're "trading down" from a big A-class (Hymer, Carthago, etc) to get a smaller 'van with genuine top quality, then the price might not seem so bad? Definitely one to see as a long-term investment, as you say.
Great video as always! Hoping you do review of their 540 model soon!
No plans at the moment as Wingamm is a very small brand in the UK, but never say never. I do love the quality of Wingamm 'vans
Not a bad Van that Peter. Looks better from the outside than internal. A bit clinical (white) for us. Great informative video as usual. 👍
Glad you liked the review. I quite liked the interior, but not with the lighting turned up too much!
Very disappointed with the rattles. Up to you driving it I've always been impressed with the design and attention to detail. Hope the other models don't rattle at all. Especially the 610 version with the drop down bed which I've always liked . Great detailed video as ever 👍
Thanks for your comments. It's a shame that the whole Wingamm range is all on Fiat these days - the hard ride exacerbates rattles. I loved their old Micros model (on VW).
Thanks for another great review Peter.
Just a couple of questions.
Does the body deliver substantial weight reduction? Perhaps I missed it, but don't recall you mentioning payload.
Also, I wonder about insurance. If you have a crash, do you need to replace the entire body?
Thanks again
Payload with this high spec model was calculated at 444kg, so I don't see any real benefit in weight compared with a panel van, possibly a little compared with a sandwich-construction coachbuilt. The gain is in strength and durability.
The body should be easier to repair than a typical coachbuilt, but might need a specialist in GRP if major damage. There have been plenty of glass-fibre sports cars over the years.
DLT, s astard son 😂
Sure that's bin said before
Great job as usual 😁👍
I totally agree you, Peter. The monocoque shell, the good quality plywood, plenty of good details. On the other hand I see a lot of niggles difficult to accept at this price range: manual energy selection absorption fridge, kitchen cabinet, cheap drawer slides and the ergonomics of rear seat and the bed access. Inexcusable. I'd like to read your thoughts on the sense of space compared to a panel van. Is it the same or a little bit less claustrophobic? Thanks. Cheers.
To be honest, inside it feels much like a panel van conversion. Have you seen my review of the Globe-Traveller, which has some great ideas and is a little less pricey?
Coach House in the USA has been making monocoque motor homes for many decades.
Another very balanced review Peter, unless you do a lot of winter touring can't see how this is superior to most pvc's with this layout. If you want coachbuild insulation levels I guess a used elddis 125 is a much cheaper option with just as good practicality without the panache
Yes, it's a very niche choice. Wingamm has some other interesting compact models in the range, though
It’s all about insulation and build quality
I am enjoying watching your presentations very much and I am learning a lot from you. One thing I get confused about though is when you say bicycles can fit into the garage at the back by raising the bed above, and then you demonstrate raising this….. my question is when you want to put the bed down at night to sleep where do you put the bikes first every night? Raising the bed temporarily for any other baggage you take with you also seems counter productive unless you are delivering goods off somewhere before bedtime? Am I missing something here?
You'd have to take the bikes out (and lock them up outside or use a storage facility on a campsite) to lower the bed, but probably better than travelling with them on an external rack
At last, a Wingamm review.
Yes, I was thrilled to get to really try a Wingamm. Would have preferred to test the Brownie but, sadly, that wasn't available
Did you visit the R/C Car race track behind the Southport site. We went a few years back and when we arrived we heard a tannoy from behind the site and decided to investigate. Turns out there was a remote control car racing championship going on. 🤣🤣
No, I didn't know it was there. I want to go back to the site in better/warmer weather, though, so thanks for the tip.
Interesting van and great to have this type of vehicle available as an option.High quality but I'm struggling to see it as a luxury vehicle as well with so much plastic on show, no AES, no auto step,soft close etc.And those extra costs are crazy.£300 for a £50 Bbq point!
Yes, I love the build but some of those options prices...
@MotorhomeCampervan Out of interest, do you share feedback like this with the manufacturers or do they look for it following your reviews?
@@GedandMichele Yes, we always share feedback but some makers are much more open to receiving constructive criticism than others!
Do you know what, I actually watched this to the end.... 112k for a van with a Howdens kitchen and ikea furniture.... yep, the world has gone mad, having said that it would cost Me & the Mrs 40k to go on a world cruise.... and you can’t keep the ship... “ darling, where did you put the tent” ...
Thanks for watching. Hope you've subscribed!
@@MotorhomeCampervan sarcasm, love it.
Another good review Peter, I love the Wingamm brand, I think my favourite is the Oasi but this City Suite didn't really do it for me. That said, I think there are better panel van conversions for much less and they are over priced IMO. Cheers K.
Yes, the brand is something special. Pity they didn't give me a Brownie to test, I think that would have more appeal...
Do they still do the Micro based on the VW chassis?
Wow!!!!....
I've got one of those steps!!!
Cost me £10.
But sadly for me I threw the net curtains in the bin
whooaaaaaaaa this is a lot for such a little ... and the lack of a door shutting off the garage is utterly bizarre. it feels cramped to me and the bed area feels claustrophobic. as always your thoroughness is really appreciated, you really do your homework. one question, with the one complete body, what happens of you "dink" the back? another question is that, whilst you don't get anything like the garage space in the Chausson X550 out of the two the X550 wins hands down for price, layout and style. i would be really interested to watch you do a comparison. which would you choose out of the two? (if you are able to give that opinion of course).
Light damage should be easily repairable by a specialist, just like a glass-fibre car (Lotus, etc) or a boat.
Wingamm is tops for quality, but the X550 is a brilliant design and good value. My choice? Maybe the new X650 - th-cam.com/video/6SBWOgD0x38/w-d-xo.html
@@MotorhomeCampervan yes i saw the 650 ... very nice piece of kit for sure. thanks for your response.
if u have a dog that open through garage idea is like his own bedroom 😄
Yes, my dog wants a Wingamm!
With that large rear top-hinged garage door, I am surprised that they haven’t considered its use as a canopy/awning facility to sit under! Drop down or attachable canvas sides could give you an extra room!
That would be cool!
ES Hartley are a cracking company to deal with. I bought a Jobl from them and couldn't recommend them highly enough.
That's great to hear
So you have to put your bikes elsewhere to sleep? (after lowering bed)
Yes, just as in most models with a height-adjustable bed. Some campsites offer secure storage for bikes.
Can you do your great review format on the EV Winnebago transit please 👍
If they bring it the UK, I'd love to. Next EV camper is likely to be a VW ID Buzz, though, I think.
@@MotorhomeCampervan You should be a motorhome builders real world consultant.....
Prevent manufacturers making obvious mistakes like shelves above customers heads in bed 🤣
When you charge a house price, it should come with a house type warranty, at least as long as the loan requirement.
Nice van but when you started to reel off all of the options costs I was waiting for the one were you got charged £1,000 for the Air in the tyres. I think i would skip this model saying that they are very well built. Thanks peter 👍
It's nice to review something rather different - glad you enjoyed it, even if you don't want one!
£100,000+ for a Fiat van. Who'd had thought!
Fiat is still the number one supplier to the motorhome industry, although Ford is catching up. You can actually spend £200k on a Fiat!
A really nice van. The gap under the bed would annoy me intensely and I would be off to the DIY shop to get a board to block it off. I knew that you would comment about the lockers but I reckon the one person could make themself comfy in the corner with a couple of pillows.
It's a pity that you didn't have time to say what was included in each option pack but I suppose that it would have added at least 10 minutes to the video.
Sorry, I could have gone on and on - and on - about all the extras! If you look on the Wingamm website, their configurator is quite useful
Please don't try to screw anything to the body shell such as that panel. The shell wont take any screws and the fixings will rip out with use. That's why there's no panel.
IMO the main disadvantage of the GRP unibody is the repairability after an accident - like a small hit on the bumper would cost a fortune and need a GRP specialist (boat builder) to fix
But any GRP specialist could repair a minor bump (shouldn't be too expensive) and you wouldn't be waiting for months for parts from a motorhome manufacturer. The body is much stronger, too, and won't leak.
I do wish you'd put the price in the title, or at least mention it in the first 30 seconds. I don't want to waste 20 minutes (with a mass of TH-cam ads) only to find it's 20k out of my price range.
Price is a difficult one because they've all gone up so much that often people's expectations are unrealistic in 2023. And there are so many options on some 'vans, so sometimes you could afford the base spec but not the fully loaded one we test.
Good video Peter. But at the end of the day it is only a 6meter motorhome and at £112k I think I would like a bit more space? What would you get for £112k from Swift or Bailey or any of the other makes. Sorry to be a bit negative but I wouldn't be keeping it for 15years Rob
The build quality and the bodywork is what you're paying for here and Wingamm does do some slightly larger models, if that's what you want. I like the 6m 'vans for their go-anywhere ability, but others want more space. Each to their own!
Nice van, Great review, but that price.
Yes, not cheap!!!
WILL YOU BE DOING A REVIEW OF THE OASI 690 AND THE OASI 540N?
This is our first Wingamm review in a long time. It's a very niche brand, so it'll probably be a while before I do another, I'm afraid.
Is er in Belgie een verdeler?
Dicar Motorhomes in Geel - www.dicar.be
Thanks for the review Peter. A sterile waste of hard earned cash IMHO. So many very good well designed alternatives out there at the moment. and far far more value for money to be had. I'm thinking they won't sell many of these....
I don't think they need to sell too many. Interestingly, this is one Europoean 'van you can even buy in the States!
Hope you enjoyed seeing something a bit different.
@MotorhomeCampervan Yes I did and despite not actually liking it I think its a really good time at the moment with campervan innovation and design. Change is a good thing if it stimulates new ideas and concepts
Great presentation as always Peter. But I'm afraid Winghamm have lost the plot. The bed is too high, access very narrow to get in it and it's the same old rollover the person next to you for the loo, and too pricey.
The quality is superb but, sadly, it's not the best of Wingamm
Merci pour cette visite. Implantation intéressante mais douche vraiment petite et le rideau ce n'est pas top !
Viewers from France. Merci!
What about the la Strada Nova - that's another factory-built monocoque. But perhaps I'm biased as the chair of la Strada Club UK!
Wingamm says it is "the only one in the world [motorhome manufacturer] that mass-produces compact and luxurious premium-quality motorhomes with a fibreglass monocoque." Maybe, it justifies that statement because the La Strada Nova is built in small numbers, or perhaps because, at 6.46m/6.99m, the Nova is longer than most Wingamms (which are mostly around or under 6m long). In any case, Wingamm builds all its 'vans this way, while the Nova is a small part of the LS range.
Of course, sadly, the Nova isn't sold here any longer and, in recent years, we've not been able to get any news of plans to return to the UK from La Strada - I must admit I'd forgotten about the Nova, too, although it's good to see they still make it.
As you'll know, La Strada built some lovely 'vans back in the Baumgartner days. I tested the original Nova in Germany in 2002, but I think my favourite model was the Regent S!
@@MotorhomeCampervanIt's very sad that la Strada no longer sell here. I doubt they'll bother - too much hassle for a very small market. I always thought the Regent L was the pick, which is why we had one for about 15 years. So much packed into a beautifully built compact and comfortable package. Our club still has a lot of them.
All that £11200.00 and as you drove it I saw that not all the front lights were working. How can Peter Vaughan spend a few days living with this vehicle and not check something so basic as DRIVING LIGHTS.
Just as well it has a good warranty.
I think what you've spotted is the cornering lights. These only illuminate to point around the bend, when you turn the steering wheel, so only one will be on!
I have these corner lights on my range rover. they do not work when the vehicle drives straight ahead as in your film. Are you sure they were fitted to this vehicle I can find no mention of them being available on manufactures site?. Would they be fitted to a fog light and not to a head light as with range rover?.
@@AnthonyLaw-nk2gr Fiat fits cornering lights in the fog lights, as here, although you rarely see them on motorhomes
Take one side top lockers off , find the solution not the problem . It's that simple
Yes, but why do so many 'vans have cupboards where you want to sit up in bed?
Love it from the outside, but lots of disappointments inside for that price! £112,000! Would be interested to know cost of repairs if you ding the body, if it has to be an approved repairer and how it affects the warranty.
I think the monocoque body should be a lot less susceptible to damage; it's a lot stronger than the usual flimsy coachbuilt. If I had to have a crash, I'd rather it was in this!
As for repairs, that wouldn't worry me. There have been plenty of glass-fibre cars made.
Not being able to sit up in bed is a major downside and would stop me getting one (following the lottery win).
Same problem in SO many 'vans. I really don't understand it!
Shame no front drop down like the previous city suite
I really wanted to test the Brownie, which has a better layout and drop-down bed over the front lounge
How about fixing the body if you had a bump !
Easier than a sandwich construction coachbuilt motorhome, I reckon. Plenty of cars (and boats) with glass-fibre bodywork - you just need a good specialist. It's a lot stronger, too
Am I missing something with these designs? You put the bed up, put your ebike in, and then at night before dropping the bed you have to put it outside!?
You need a campsite where you can lock up your e-bike, I guess
80k😂, 20k more beaten my expectations
Absolutely ludicrous cost for what is quite a basic motorhome. Far too many missing items such as a bed ladder/step and the open garage into the hab area. Yes great quality but far better out there for that money
Yes, the quality of the body is the thing but there are better designs in the Wingamm range
Can you drive this on a normal car license
Depends on your age and weight of vehicle.
as log the total weight of it (with some load, you and fuel) does not exceed 3500 kilos/3,5 tonnes, yes, you can drive with regular car license
Yes, it has a maximum gross weight of 3,500kg - that's the key figure
"...even on a Fiat-based vehicle..." 🤣
It looks uncomfortable. I like the ones they're bringing to the U.S.
£112k ! Seriously? Not sure who would spend that much, just for extended warranty
And for the superb quality monocoque body?
Cant see this selling at that price. All that money on a plastic body vs original steel panel van to achieve very little if anything at all, then they ran out of steam for the interior. Side door in the wrong place so no room for drivers seat knee room. On a heavy chassis so needs rear air suspension and tyre change (like all fiats dbf) to stand any hope of a decent ride. Bonded interior so good luck pulling that apart to fix things. No swing door in the toilet. Wont last any longer than a Fiat panel van conversion (not a coach built) as they rust from the bottom up.
It's a very niche choice, certainly. Other models in the range have more appeal and the same superb body.
@@MotorhomeCampervan Agree the others make more sense trading this construction for conventional coach built and better laid out as well
Вечно душ со шторкой что липнет к телу ...концепция не о чем
IMHO Chausson X550 is cheaper and much much better organized inside.
Agreed, but the Wingamm is in a different league for quality - and some of their other layouts have more appeal, IMHO
The price is just too high, it's not really value for money. And it's still a Fiat. It's crazy that they can get away with some of them extras that you're adding before the build, not after, so why is it so expensive. The price of the logo on the back was madness. They just charge that cause they can, so that would be a deal breaker on it's own. For 100k +, you'd want an A class
Yes, it IS pricey. Wouldn't it be great, though, to see a compact (6m) A-class with this sort of body construction?
@MotorhomeCampervan yeh but at a reasonable price of say £70,000 all in. Extras included. It's a fiat, that's still a lot of money. I'm not keen on the fibreglass. My experience with it is it tends to become brittle over time, especially if it's constantly exposed to the sun unless the technology in fibreglass has changed.
Cramped, poor layout, no microwave, oven or grill, no solar panel, no external BBQ point, attractive but expensive, plenty of better options out there, but thanks for the review.
Glad you enjoyed the review. I think "poor layout" is a bit subjective - this is one of the best selling of all layouts for 6m campervans. It's the quality and the body you're paying for here and, yes, it is expensive!
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My singing isn't quite as good as Elton's...
@@MotorhomeCampervan why isn't it , ?😀😀😀😀😈
Not worth the money, bed too small. Shower curtain? Ugh
You'd really have to get on with another person to share such a small space. No real room to relax at all.
It's the same size/layout as many campervans but, yes, any small space means you need to get on with each other - or have good weather to be outside more!
Really cheap and dated look inside. Price is crazy.
Interesting that you think it looks dated; I thought it looked very modern and the Italians usually have a good eye for style. All a matter of taste - each to his/her own.
Sorry, does nothing for me ....
Definitely a Marmite 'van but I can assure you that the build quality is special
Looks cheap and Nasty NOT well thought out
Actually, the quality is superb but some of the design could be improved, such as making the garage more practical
Nice, but the extras prices are a joke. Now where's my permanent marker?
Yes, some VERY pricey options
I'm new to this, so certainly no authority, that said, the price on this is disproportionate to the product, compared to many others on the market.
You're paying for the expensive-to-produce monocoque body, compared with a flat-sided sandwich-construction model
It looks really claustrophobic and suffocating
Very similar space-wise to a 6m panel van conversion. I'd be happy with the space (for me and the missus) but not the price...
@@MotorhomeCampervan I really like the layout of the Swift Select 164, thats perfect for me.
Nice construction ideas but very badly let down by the sparse, basic, uncreative interior and woeful lack of design imagination on the little things ( like the lack of a door to the cargo bay and the lack of integrated bed steps ) And why ?oh why? do they keep making the bedroom cabinet mistake . Unforgivable actually !! Do these guys actually try staying in or living with in the vans they create ? I doubt it !! and the price !!!! not sure whether to laugh or cry !! who in there right mind would pay that much for this ??? the mind boggles
I quite like the interior style, but totally agree that not enough motorhome designers actually spent any time living in the vehicles they create