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Fire Emblem Engage reaches back into the history of the franchise, exhuming old heroes and re-focusing the game on combat rather than social sim. That's cool if you like Fire Emblem combat, but as someone none too keen on it, I really miss the social sim stuff.
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I have to say it is a bit odd that so much of this video sounds like heavy criticism despite the title; I'm about 17 minutes in and so far it just sounds like "game has good graphics but everything sucks and is kind of shallow".
How many units dit you lose in the playthrough?
Skill up I know it's a few years late but you should totally do a 3 houses review
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Am I the only one constantly checking the title of the video as Ralph is talking about how underwhelmed he was with it?
Yes! I'm like... How is this a recommend?
@@eppielicious a recommend, but not a strong one. he said the overall experience was positive and the experience was mostly smooth on the switch. he just happened to like the dating sim more and this doesn't have much there
Fire emblem has always been a mixed bag. It succeeds in many things but also falls short in just as many respects.
@@YuriG03042 yeah but he even said the combat was uninspired and bland. It was like he talked badly about the whole game and then at the end went "but I had fun". I wanna know whats good about it if its a recommend
Yeah. Like, he points out what is good about it and it would be good for a lot of people. But it was not for him or for a lot of people who want more story or interactions or lore/development with the world. So he can recommend it for only a very certain subset of people. Which normally would yield a, "I do not recommend" from most reviewers haha.
You know you're doing something right when a fan (me) keeps checking your channel every day to see if you've uploaded something new.
Admittedly, i was hoping you'd review One Piece Odyssey, not the new Fire Emblem, but i'm gonna watch the video anyway because of how much i enjoy your analysis and narrative.
Keep it up, man.
Three Houses is the most successful Fire Emblem BECAUSE of the characters, story and social sim. The roster was huge but the support conversations were mostly great even though there were so many of them. Also while there were 3 houses and countries, your playthrough had you focus on only one of those so you would become close with that small group of students. It didn’t feel overwhelming that way. They just really hit the nail on the head with Three Houses in every way.
I’m really disappointed to hear they got rid of my favorite parts of Three Houses for this game. It’s what got me to spend over 600 hours in that world and I can already tell I’ll maybe spend 10% of that in Engage. It seems like they went backwards here. They brought Fire Emblem to a new wider audience with Three Houses but it seems Engage is scuttling back to the corner with only the ~hardcore~ FE fans and that’s really tragic.
> Says the game never forces him to play creatively or adapt his strategy
> From the damage numbers, is clearly playing on the lowest difficulty
Bro...
Fire emblem without a good social system just isn't the same for me. How are you supposed to care about your team and keeping them alive if you barely interact with them?
True, I want to care about my squad and keep them alive. The social sim adds that flair. I recall in the older FE games I just sacrifice people I don't care about.
This is doubled on top of seeing the other Lords were you'd probably be saying "I'd rather play almost any of the other Lords games" than this celebration game. Warriors actually did this well Engage unfortunately doesn't.
Finally someone starts talking about Bort. Definitely the most underrated Lord in the franchise and frankly I’m ashamed at the fan base for not giving him the credit he deserves.
I really thought he was talking about Bord from Shadow Dragon/Mystery, I didn't bat an eye til he said he made the last name up.
Bort in next smash bros or riot
My favorite lord’s name is also named Bort
@@tehbeernerd nearby lord named Bort: … I’m sorry, were you talking to me?
Y’all are clearly forgetting lords Barclay, Barry, and Bert
I still can't get over the main character's colgate colour palette
Well, that means it's memorable and thus, has achieved its goal.
Plus, I think it looks cute ^^
@@arsenelupin9697 It's very jarring and Immersion breaking when it looks like a Japanese Pepsi mascot
They look like they'd be a yugioh protagonist lol
Toothpaste chić
9 out 10 dentists recommend this game
I’m not a Fire Emblem player but a common complaint I’ve heard from some of the fans is that the recent games focus too much on the dating sim aspects and not enough on the tactical combat aspect. I suspect this will be a hit among that crowd.
I don't think so because we wanted the dating fanservice to be replaced with a good story, and apparently they replaced it with... fanservice again, but without dating.
Yes, I've been playing Fire Emblem since the Gameboy Advance, and I absolutely do not like the social sim crap, the waifu gawking and petting activities, the mini-games, the insane focus on romance, and generally all the non-combat busy work.
These games are highly replayable, and so having to spend so much of your time on this non-combat stuff to optimize your playthrough on harder difficulties is a huge problem and just becomes a tedious grind.
I am not looking forward to the Somniel. I know a lot of people say it's scaled down, but I don't think it will be on harder difficulties otherwise why add it to the game? It's there for a reason and that annoys me a lot. I wish Intelligent Systems would just stop with these mini-games and crap.
But three houses didn't have dating at all it was an optional end cutscene that complaint doesn't fit three houses that complaint was about dates which just show horned in child units for no reason
@@arasonyth3243 The OP didn't even mention "fanservice" ^^
As one of those people the comments about flat map design kinda worries me. The monastery caused me to bounce off 3 Houses before getting anywhere but this feels like an overcorrection. The last FE I played before 3 Houses was Fates and that had a terrible story with terrible writing but interesting maps with some interesting tactical scenarios that pushed me toward the end. This feels like Awakenings which was a quintessential 7/10 onboarding point for new players and not much else. I was preparing to grab this at launch but I think I might hold off on this for awhile. I have so many more far interesting games to dig into. For SRPGs I've got Tactics Ogre Reborn ready to go on my PS4. That remaster's rebalancing and reworking made that game new again. I don't feel comfortable dropping 60 bones on this right now. I think I might actually hold out for a sale and watch someone stream it.
The way he describes this game in relation to 3 Houses reminds me of my problems with Fates compared to Awakening. The writing was so questionable in the second set of games it made slogging through difficult, and the characters were mostly less interesting than Awakening/3H too. On the other hand, the gameplay was/is improved. One day they'll get it all right in the same game
Agreed! Fates had some really fun stuff gameplay-wise, it felt fresh and things like balancing the Pair Up mechanic made it feel more tactical to me. But the story and characters dragged it down immensely, and that was a real shame.
I felt the same way about Awakening and the other 3DS entries. I adore Three Houses, and while the combat loop is very fun and satisfying, it was the well written characters and their relationships that really pushed me through multiple playthroughs of the game. I don't really agree with the complaining about the monastery, fast travel pretty much makes it a non issue. So this game being ONLY the combat with really thin forgettable characters... I'll probably still buy it, but I'm a little apprehensive.
It's likely due to the fact that there are two separate teams that work on FE games. Almost none of the people that worked on Three Houses worked on this one. Three Houses/Three Hopes was mostly done by Koei Tecmo with IS. Engage is mostly IS, and they are probably well underway with the next Echoes game
They have gotten it right in previous games. Thracia, PoR, RD, even SoV maybe. Also, I don’t think the gameplay in 3H was bad particularly, it’s the maps and the fact that you need to do the monastery activities all the time
fuck yeah :] three houses calendar system was okaaaaay but there comes a point in time where everything surrounding the monastery just feels like a bloated chore that you have to do, or else you'll have a bunch of units with really bad weapon ranks. not having to participate in busywork to make my units usable is only a good thing in my opinion
FE3H was the only one i've played. Really dissapointed that they took all of that charm away. It'll be another 5-7 years before they even make another game :/
Good to see you back my man. Hope you fully recharged.
The problem with the monastery that a reviewer only playing the game for 30 hours wouldn't understand is that it gets old, takes a lot of time, is repetitive and just amounts to busy work. On multiple playthroughs, the monastery is a big problem - it just wastes so much time. Coming from the older games where you had simple base management systems from a menu in between chapters, the monastery took a section of the game that usually took about 5 minutes and bloated it out to an entire month of activities and monastery trips before the next story chapter. It sucked, and every playthrough it just sucked more and more and more.
This is the SMT to Three House's Persona.
Smt 5 was comparitively worse than persona 5 so this is a good analogy.
I think it’s understandable that the social aspects aren’t on the exact same level as 3Houses, but definitely disappointing that it appears the character writing and story is not good. I think FE is at it’s best when it synergizes and balances its gameplay, story, and characters; not single-minded focus on any one element
It’s basically like older Fe games
Exactly, the best FE games never have to focus on just one thing. There are definitely criticisms to be had for the people who don't like just how much the social aspect took up in Three Houses (even though I personally loved it), but that game, at least in certain routes, had a great story, characters, gameplay, music *everything*, not just gameplay like Engage. I feel like as this is Skill Up's first real intro into the series, he doesn't quite see what all is missing to the formula when you dumb it down to *just* the gameplay and animations being good while missing everything else that makes Fire Emblem what it is.
@@kleitos6162 I don't really agree. If we take the 3 criteria that are story, character and gameplay, I would say that no Fire Emblem manages to have a good story, good characters AND a good gameplay. At this level, Three Houses also has a lot of problems, the monastery and the customizable side of your characters, it's cool during the first 2 roads but after the replayability starts to fall. The minigames of the monastery are fun during the first 10 hours, but after you force yourself because they are essential to play efficiently (same for the lessons). In other words, the replayability of Three Houses is non-existent, which makes me say that its gameplay is not necessarily a good point (as well as the design of these maps (it remains a tactical).
As for the story, as much as I loved the writing of Three Houses, it also has its flaws:
-Part 1 is the same for all roads (which impacts even more the replayability and is quite boring)
-All scenarios are not equal (black eagles is rushed, church routes is too similar to verdant wind). Result: Azure Moon and Verdant wind are the only routes that seem to be finished (even if they also have their inconsistencies like the death of Rodrigue in Azure Moon.
-The character of Byleth, who slows down the narration because of his role as a mute avatar without personality but whom everyone seems to admire.
So even Three Houses has big flaws like its gameplay, and some flaws in the story (which remains solid).
We could make an analysis of this kind for all the fe (ex: FE4: incredible story/gameplay that has not aged well; Fe Fates Conquest: horrible story:good gameplay...)
In the case of Engage, I don't expect much from the story and writing (which reminds me of awakening), but I know the gameplay will surely be fun. And for the characters, I tend to think that they can be interesting if you decide to dive into their support: for example Fates has a bad writing and its characters can seem to be gimmick characters but with their supports, you can discover that they are much more interesting (it was the case of characters like Nyx or Forrest for example).
Personally, I am rather positive for engage. The license has become too broad to say that it only boils down to what Three Houses (or any other FE) has done. Fire Emblem has many faces and even if we all have our preferences, Engage seems to represent good and bad aspects of the series like all its predecessors (even if I remain not a fan of the artistic direction of Engage)
@@slol7109 I agree with most of this for sure. That's why I really only believe AM and to a certain extent VW have all three of the positives that I mentioned, and I would argue that both the story and characters are the best in the franchise in AM, but 3H overall has very solid gameplay.
I don't agree with replayability being an issue in 3H however. In NG+ all of the monastery content to upgrade professor level is skippable, you'll know you only need to talk to your own house members (even that isn't a requirement if you're focused on gameplay, like an iron man or other challenge run), and things like battalion management won't take up as much time considering you bring them over from your first playthrough. I feel like aside from White Clouds needing to be replayed (which is definitely an issue for a lot of people, I didn't mind it personally), it's the most approachable FE game to replay by far.
I would generally argue though that a good chunk, if not most of the FE games hit at least 2/3 when it comes to characters, story, and gameplay. I will concede that it is rare for ones like AM to hit all three, but I've also seen the majority argue Echoes does as well, even if I don't agree with that personally, and I'm sure a small handful of others (like FE4). FE7, while non remembered for it's story, had some fan favorite characters and solid gameplay. Same for FE8.
The main problem I see with Engage is that, if reviews are to be believed, it doesn't really hit *anything* correctly aside from gameplay, animations, and music. Hell, even Fates and Awakening had good character design and art direction.
@@kleitos6162 So we haven't seen the same reviews. Because, I personally saw a lot of people say that through their supports, some characters like Yunaka turned out to be very interesting and that overall the cast was endearing (something that we could just say for the cast of FE7).
Even if I'm personally not a fan of the art direction, I don't think it's bad at all, it's colorful and the artwork of Pikazo is magnificent (I even think that I prefer it to the art direction of Kozaki), but some chara design just looks dumb (like Panette or Alear).
Even though I haven't seen anyone praising the story, I still think that all FEs have some charm in their writing (even the bad ones).
Regarding Three houses replayability, my opinion does not change. The fact that the first 11 chapters are always the same is a very bad point for a game that has several scenarios (even during part 2, you replay on similar maps (with differences, but that's still a problem because these map are genreally large and too simple). And although the tactical remains fun, it is among the weakest in the series. The new game plus is an interesting feature but you still have to develop the students that you did not have in your first game. And even if you can go faster in new game plus, you can't avoid the monastery (increase motivation, forge links with other students).
And for the story, as said before, I appreciate it a lot but you still have to take into account the 4 scenarios together and not say to yourself "Yes, this route has problems but since the other one is good it is means that everything is good"
And having myself seen some leaked support conversations (I won't go into detail), I can say that most of the conversations seem ok or even very good and that I've don't seen a lot of meme-support(even if C support in general seems pretty simplistic) . So while I've don't seen a lot of support , I'm not worried about the characters.
In any case, I'm not going to worry too much, after all, no fire emblem has really been a disappointment for me. Reviews are helpful but I prefer to make up my mind while playing the game (after all, at the time, most reviews of Fates said the story was amazing)
Ironic that FE: Engage does away with the engagement portion of FE.
I guess I’m the only one that actually really loved the social aspects of 3 houses and Awakening.
Nah. I love that stuff too. Awakening, Fates, and Three Houses social stuff made the journey memorable. Gameplay is number one, but I love the flair of social sims.
Nah many people did which is why Three Houses is the best selling one in the franchise. Honestly don't know what the devs were thinking.
@@joed5150 it's the best selling because it was on the switch, not because it was the best
@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034 It's the highest selling because of the huge critical praise it got. Engage is releasing on a much larger install base and I guarantee the sales don't come close to Three Houses
I much rather play 3H sim aspects than Persona 3-5 lol. The waifu bait is always going to weird to me so 3H pretty much focusing on everyone else but the MC made it genuinely engaging. I was more excited to see how other characters interact outside of the campaign. Everyone felt like actually people with their own opinions and beliefs.
Persona as much as I enjoy the series the dick riding the characters do for the MC is insane especially in 5. All social links need to have some drama of sort and can't be resolved without the MC. 3H characters deal with stuff with and without Byleth example being Ingrid & Felix.
This has the same energy as all those reviews that didn't like SMTV because it wasn't Persona 5.
Truly a shame, I really liked the Three Houses monastery part, and the lack of an interesting narrative here will undoubtedly disappoint me. I appreciate the review.
I have to tell you, you saw literally everything Gareg Mach Monastery had to offer with your 30 hours in Three Houses. Every month becomes 100% identical if you care about a reasonably optimal use of your time. First week, you do battles. Second week, you run around Gareg Mach for whatever the event is (fishing, house meals, etc.) Third week, you do battles. Fourth week, it's the main mission. The chores around Gareg Mach become extremely boring and repetitive. Just that: chores. The problem with Gareg Mach is that it MASSIVELY overstays its welcome, and the story is heavily crippled by the mechanical need to return to it after every main chapter, even when the story is actively damaged as a result of this dependency. It's only cool for the first... half, or so, of the game. Which is what you saw, and I'm glad you had fun with it. But it was a controversial addition for a reason, and I'm glad to see it reduced.
I completely agree. It was a neat idea that could be improved upon in the future, but it got stale pretty quickly for me. The story and characters kept me engaged in three houses, but the repetition of the monastery and the mediocre map design and combat definitely hindered my enjoyment a bit. I still really love three houses, but it isn't a perfect game imo. Overall I'm glad to see engage focus more on the combat, but a little sad to hear that the story/characters/support conversations are a bit of a step backwards from three houses.
Yep. I really do not understand why people loved that aspect, it was a fucking chore.
Like he said on the review he only played 3 houses for around 50 hours or so, so probably 1 - 2 routes, I've had the same opinion as him after doing one route of the game, but..... 7 playthroughs and 250 hours later you can clearly see the cracks of the monastery, its way too repetitive and not that compelling.
Agree i couldnt play three house third time because it is painful replay half of the same mission. And do all this hub activity to drag the game progress
reviewrs play the game one time in a series known for its replayability if you play 3h one time of course you find the monastery fun but 6-7 playthroughs and it not that fun to do
I was really hoping there would be more character interactions (especially with emblems). Some of my favorites moments in Fire Emblem games are the narratives and banter.
I really enjoyed Three Houses because it leaned into the Persona-like stuff and really got me really invested in the world and characters. I could understand if that's not everyone's cup of tea.
The Midnight Suns comparison was really good. I was thinking about that the whole time. That game is such a gem. If only the writing was a bit better.
If anything, this game can be used to show the utter laziness/incompetence of Gamefreak and the recent Switch Pokémon titles.
Stripped back story for a bigger emphasis on tactical gameplay. Sounds like classic FE, I'm in!
You only put 30 hours into 3 houses? You didn’t even finish a route! The heck!
Finishing FE3H right now and I can already tell I’m going to miss the deeper dialogues and personalities of my characters. Great review.
Sadly I don't think we'll get another fire emblem like three houses...
@@subarunatsuki2102 the “fans” are being total goofs about this game too.
I'm at the point where I'm wondering if I should even bother getting Engage or if I should give three houses a second playthrough.
@@subarunatsuki2102 For whatever its worth, there are rumours that Engage was practically developed alongside 3 Houses as part of the series 30th anniversary, hence all the nostalgia baiting with the old characters from across the series.
However, Covid pushed back its release and the extra time was used to give it a bit more polish. I could be very wrong, but I suspect that it'll be the NEXT FE game that shows us whether IS is more interested in taking on board the positive reception of 3H.
@@tadhgmcgrath1409 If by "total goofs", you mean "idiotically worshiping the game despite it removing so much", then yes.
A bit bummed by this review. I really enjoyed Three Houses for the same reasons as Shill up points out in the review. Still gonna give it a chance I think.
Personally I really like the social aspects of three houses. Sad to see them do away with it again.
I never felt as invested in a FE as I did with three houses due to the game having me slowly get to know and spend time with the cast.
I figured as soon as I saw "emblems" that we going to skimp out on story for fan service. Unfortunately as I only got into FE with Awakening, this is pretty much lost on me.
I'll probably still play it, but it's gonna have to take a back seat to the PS5 version of MH Rise and the Persona 3/4 rereleases.
Hopefully it hits the right notes for the classic FE crowd.
He showed Corrin in the video. Corrin is a horrid protagonist and should have been swept under the rug
Go play a dating sim and keep that shit out of Fire Emblem
I understand you just got into fire emblem with awakening, but you do understand that other fire emblem games have great story and combat. This didn't used to be a trade off. I'm not saying you think this, but if you think no fire emblem game had a good story before awakening you are delusional
@@seanjenkins5505 FE4 had great story and radiant dawn but really there it ends
@@sakutaro3musik486 yea so other fire emblem games. I didn't say fire emblem 1-12 all have great stories. 6 and 7 are also both fine.
Thanks for this review. It seems like the divide for this game will come down to who likes older FE games and who came in on 3H. Engage seems like a love letter to the older games and while that sounds like a downgrade for people who played 3H you have to understand for a lot of fans of FE, 3H WAS the downgrade.
You mean the critically aclaimed 3H was a downgrade to them?
Different standards then.
@@sylents8005 I mean, at the end of the day Three Houses struck a lot of uncommon points for Fire Emblem. It’s understandable that people might not want the same things from the games even if I personally loved Three Houses.
I wish the story was better. 3houses had a amazing story.
@@SaintMarianne wasnt it the same thing before 3h?
@@sylents8005 3H was a downgrade to fans who didn't want a Persona game.
Man, this seems like a bummer. I've been a fire emblem fan since the GBA days and I thought the monastery stuff from three houses was just the revitalisation the series needed
I felt the same way towards the end of my time with Three Houses. The maps stopped being much of a challenge and if felt like a slog to run around the map to talk to everyone after each mission to make sure every story kept moving forward when the main story wasn't pulling me along to encourage me to keep going.
I ended up not finishing it because I got too bogged down in the social aspect eventually and it was too much to keep up with
Three Houses really suffered in the time skip because I just wanted the story to keep moving rather than going back to the monastery and doing activities for an entire month. On harder difficulties, you can't really skip this either without handcuffing yourself to a large degree.
And don't get me started on multiple playthroughs. The Monastery far outstayed it's welcome. I really liked how grand it was - it did a lot for world building and immersion, but it's nothing I want 20 hours of my 40+ hour playthrough to be based around. That is so excessive.
@@Katie-hb8iq Idk, I really liked running around the monastery and minmaxing every single thing I could on Maddening NG and proceeding to blitz the next chapter because I cooked enough bullheads haha
Its like my castle from fates but your force to go there 5 times in a row before being able to do a story mission
@@Katie-hb8iq You can skip (most of) it. That's what NG+ is for.
As a die hard FE fan i can't wait.
This sounds perfect to me. Loved three houses, but it was a bit much
Woohooo! skillup is back! Welcome back, Ralph!
Three Houses was the Fire Emblem that got me hooked in. I was hoping Engage might be a bit more of that but I can appreciate that it focuses more on the combat. I'll still play this simply because of the combat but I'll fully admit that I will miss the other good stuff that TH brought to the table.
Sooooo when are we getting more of that style of Fire Emblem?
Personally, i like fire emblem bc of the characters, classes and animations hahhaha. Gameplay doesnt matter much to me as long as its not extra tedious.
Ive always been hyped for almost every fire emblem installment since por since thats what got me to fe but engage just doesnt seem like it for me.
I feel similarly. PoR was my introduction to FE too, and I've played and enjoyed all the FE games since then (some more than others, but generally I had fun). But Engage just doesn't speak to me at all...
Basically "I like this FE cause it wasn't anything like FE" and "I dislike a lot of these things cause its too much like FE" Fair enough but its a wonder why FE hasn't been the same since the gamecube/wii days. Granted i think FE now compared to back when it was still niche are piss fucking easy. Bordernline cake walks. I feel the same about persona nowadays.
So heres how i'll put this. Three Houses isn't FE. Straight up. If you like Three Houses thats awesome. (It was a good game. But not a good FE game.) Shillup, you may not enjoy FE at its base. But if we got a new IP thats more Three Houses like and focuses on that. You'd like it more.
Yeah, all of this review can be summed up as "this game isn't Three Houses and I don't like that fact".
I died when he brought up Engage's weak map design. 5 chapters in and it's already more varied than Three Houses bland open fields and rout enemy objectives.Also Garreg Mach is a huge slog to go through, Engage's more streamlined approach is far superior. You run around a little bit after each chapter talking to your units and you're done, ready to hop on the next chapter.
This review seems to come from a guy that wants to run through the game once (possibly on an easier difficulty) and be done with it. Ain't nothing wrong with that, but we play FE to sink hours into them on repeated playthroughs and play on max difficulty. That's where the combat shines.
I don't see this game as a slog at all. I'm glad they ditched the intricate social mechanics and focused on a straight forward (albeit a very anime) story where the battles progress the story and you get to choose from an insane amount of characters to build your army... def a return to more classic FE and I'm lovin it.
Blyehrth is my main in Smash Ultimate, finally someone acknowledged him. Bort is a great secondary too, if you're interested.
im honestly really torn about wther i should buy it or not. but maybe i buy three houses first since i never got around to that when it came out. but then again i feel like all this running around and reading in the school wont be for me, so maybe this one after all`? I love tactics based combat, but never could get into many since i rarely care for the story and thery dont let me skipp it
Ironically, this review feels targeting towards longtime fans of the series as it addresses and fleshes out what we have been wondering about. Your comments on bland map design especially, given how also bland 3houses map design was, has been a big talking point in the community
If Skill Up had finished even one route of 3H, I think he might've been less bummed by the lack of that content in engage. It shine of the "social sim" aspect wears off after your first play through, and I believe that's the reason that lots of "fans" of the series got a little burnt out by it, since they likely spent 100's of hours finishing multiple routes. The social sim stuff does NOT make long/repeated play-throughs much easier, unlike solid gameplay. I hope people who were wanting more social stuff still give this one a try, because the gameplay looks to be far more interesting and rewarding this time around, despite a relatively lackluster script.
Same can be said for any aspect of any game. Map design and enemy encounters can get boring after your first playthrough.
I was not burnt out at all by the romance. Would've liked more tbh... I did everyone's end scene and played each route and dlc then replayed Black Eagles route several times after.
That bummer or no, I'm pretty sure this guy is just... Not capable of enjoying what FE is.
The point seems to have been missed at close to any turn, and no doubt the game was played on normal here. Which hardly validates the claims of not feeling pushed.
I'm all for welcoming new people to the community, but stuff like this makes me a little nervous about trusting in the newbies
@@1stCallipostle haha oh man, fire emblem elitist are so cringe it hurts. M8 stop pretending like you're gatekeeping on accident, we all know your kind looves gatekeeping. Feeling superior for no real reason. Its p-athetic mate
@@1stCallipostle Im gonna push back a little bit. Skillup isn't a typical video game reviewer, the guy is generally competent at games. I would buy it if he said his review was based off of a hard play through. It does seem to be a series that just doesnt fit his sensibilities tho.
Thank you for the review, it helped me finally make up my mind to just skip Engage; even though I played all FE main titles since Path of Radiance.
I like how fluid the combat animations look, and I wouldn't have minded a more toned down "social sim" section (though what even is that push-up thing?), but I really don't like the character designs (even beyond toothpaste-chan), the engage mechanic with the old characters feels gimmicky, and there's barely anything there that interests me narratively. Maybe Lord Bort would've saved it, but sadly he was not given time to shine either. ;)
I urge yout to complete, and I mean COMPLETE, Fire Emblem Three Houses and than say again that you love the Monastery in that game. I played Three Houses to completion and that place is now nightmare fuel to me. And so I am extremely happy to hear that I don't have to spend 5 hours in that place roaming and listening to hours of support conversations every time I finished a 20 minute battle, no thanks.
If he ends up going back and completing Three Houses he'll probably realise why they did such a pivot turn with this game. Like you said, it really is a slog and the majority of it isn't optional. Intelligent Systems might one day be able to strike the perfect balance of core battles/social sim but I can't see it happening anytime soon, the fanbase just seems so divided with what it wants from future games now. The best solution might be making content optional, so people who don't like the social sim stuff so much can skip it and people who don't like the battles can skip them. But I can understand why the devs wouldn't want people skipping half the game...
I was hoping that Three Houses would be a first step towards an evolution of the franchise. This however looks like a step backwards and the character designs are looking very weak. I hope the next game will be worth picking up for me again
That and the combat are only redeeming traits of this game
I agree with the character design being so damn dumb in engage. All the characters are basically a template of a goodlooking m/f characters for any anime. We need to have maybe a big character with a giant belly, muscular 7ft babyface character or a frail looking character!!!! Just give us a unique character design please ,-,
To each their own, I respect your opinion but this is definitely the step forward for the series that I would want. Cutting down on the fluff and improving on the gameplay + avoid reusing maps makes it look like such a clean experience for me.
I'm waiting for a price drop tbh. The idea of summoning other Lords is a little too much fan service. Plots like this should be relgated to the Warrior spin-offs. IS should've went back to the style of Radiant Dawn or keep the introductions in 3H and just remove routes or just have 1 or 2.
it´s fates all over again.. i hope it is a bit better atleast
The things you're saying about the lack of combat complexity or terrain importance sound like impossible opinions to hold about the franchise, certainly this game in particular from what's been leaked. Did you play on normal or something?
Also, if you're not feeling the crunch of strategy, you're playing on the wrong difficulty. Hard Mode difficulty on Classic Mode (aka permadeath) is incredibly tense, especially when one wrong move can cost your character.
m doing maddening difficulty with casual ......dont know how to maneuver without sacrificing team members(bait) in maddening difficulty
This was something I was wondering in his review. The criticisms about the map design being uninspired are fine, but I wonder if that's a consequence of difficulty level. Even the best-designed Fire Emblem titles won't be particularly challenging if you're playing on Normal Casual mode.
There's people that don't play on permadeath?
@@rawrdino7046 why would you. It just means reloading maps everytime someone dies
Fantastic news. Three houses was awful. I spent over half my playtime at that effing school having tea and lunch. Screw that.
I am sad to hear that the social interactions are bad. I never wanted that. I was especially hoping for narratives with the emblem characters.
But I’ll take it.
God i hope this franchise goes on forever. Theyve gotten so good at their own formula that it only makes me angry that it took almost 2 decades for the series to even be considered for localization.
It’s a shame honestly. And there’s also no other developers that copy them either so when I’m burnt out on the FE games I’ve played 100 times and want something new but in their style there’s nothing else out there. It’s frustrating
@@Delby5 tactics ogre let us cling together, fell seal, disgaea - there are some trpgs aside from FE, just examples.
@@Delby5 Check out Symphony of War: The Nephilim Saga. Great game. There's also Lost Eidolons but I haven't played that yet.
@@Delby5 There's Dark Deity that pays tribute to the GBA FEs art style and animation wonderfully but everything else is just kinda thin. It'll scratch your itch for a while though, and at a cheap price
21:15 horse manure obtained
Wtf?! Did your guy just grab poop off the ground with his hands and shove it in his pockets?!
A surprising and generous recommendation for a game with as much underwhelming aspects as you describe, Ralph. Usually these types of games live and die by their story telling, Character interactions and innovative gameplay as a tactics game. I'd say it's more of a 5 than a 7 but i enjoyed your review nonetheless.
I find this review so bizarre.
95% of this video is very negative towards Engage, it's a barrage of critique after critique, even going as far as to say that Marvel's Midnight Suns (one of the most mid games of 2022) is not only more fun but also more challenging (giant red flag) than Engage.
You also said that you were bored of the game at 30 hours and that you forced yourself to finish it.. while you would have played Midnight Suns even more than 60 hours (another giant red flag).
So.. why are you still recommending Engage when it's evident that you really didn't like it??
This is one of the small few franchises that I drop everything for. No matter what else I am playing, Ill be dropping it and putting serious time into FE:Engage starting on launch day.
Can’t wait either midnight Thursday can’t come soon enough
Yes! Thank Gawd they did away with shit social system this isn't Persona 5 series get that shit out.
Edit: after putting about 8 hours into the game it's clear the voice acting was...like high school play level at best maybe that's an insult to school plays. The story has never really had...depths "oh no evil dragon cloned enemy type oooooh no." It's been like that since the Gameboy Advance days that game pulls its weight with stradgey, permadeath, and providing fun flashy fighting for combat.
Ilthe combat is still there and there are new mechanics that can make a until which would take zero damage NOW can receive a little chip damage from enemies foes that group up much like how your heroes gain bonuses when grouped up.
I wish the acting and story made a but more sense, and the power fantasy of playing divine dragon questing to save the world sounds fun...the execution where characters talk and interact is super lazy and just comes off feeling CHEAP maybe I'll go back and play 3 House's just for that comparison ...it feels like they made the game for 7 year Olds which is...weird and kind of insulting with how basic bitch the story is acted out. Did they take poi ters from The Room wtf? Anyways. . .I'm glad it doesn't have the whole student life bull crap but I wouldn't mind smaller quests if the mini game just could be turned OFF for then love of all things good turn that shit off! lmao
Awesome video by the way
skillup be pushing out so many content while i'm still trying to get that Seraph seal
you have over a month left, keep pushing
shoot, thanks for the reminder
Disappointed to see its such a step back in story and social aspects. Looks like I'll be grabbing this one on sale.
I’ll be getting it but I think it is a disappointment that social aspects are minimal. FE makes you love characters not only on how op they are but their personality as a whole. You don’t have to do full academy setup but even 50% would flush out characters and by proxy the world.
Then you haven’t played many Fe games outside of 3 houses and like a few others have you
@@2265Hello I've played all the games since gba. I thought three houses mechanic was a good step forward. Now you don't have to do it as extensive but the idea itself is great.
@@RenegadeVash so in other words your a story played which makes sense. Imo fe should stick to either more basic characters and more complex story, or the inverse while balancing it with the gameplay. Or at least that’s the ideal. Well either way I just wanted good gameplay and something that was somewhat challenging. And based on what others who have got the game have said hard is actually hard and fair but nothing immeasurable. Maddening I hear is genuinely more difficult than 3H maddening instead of being cheap ambushes and stat boosts.
I don't think I've ever seen a more thoroughly critical review that ended with a recommend. So much time was spent talking about what was lacking and almost nothing about what was good enough to recommend I spend $60 on it. You criticized the bland combat, the social aspects or lack thereof, the characters, the lack of any kind of character development, the flat maps without any kind of interesting environmental hazards/terrain/opportunities.
The only thing you seemed to like without any major caveat was the freedom to build and outfit your warband. That was enough to recommend it? You also recommended that you made up your own stories and narratives about the characters. That's not a quality you should praise the game for, that's you discovering roleplaying. If you are going to recommend a game, I'd like to have a good grasp about WHY you recommended it, and this video fell far short of that. So, for those reason, I do not recommend this video.
I think moving away from the life sim was a massive mistake. It made everything hit harder
I'm not too far into the game currently, but I just told my wife last night I wish they had just outright removed the social aspect of this game. It is currently so bare bones that I feel like I'm wasting my time going to the somniel at all, but I still go because I feel like I'm supposed to. I loved the social in Three Houses, but I do definitely get why people found it overwhelming, even moreso when doing multiple playthroughs. As it stands, I don't care about any character other than Yunaka since she's the only character with a personality, but I love almost every character in battle. I do think having fewer characters is a good solution for the next FE game. Give me a solid roster of 8 core people and a few replacement units with FE3H level of social and a great story and I think we'll have a perfect game.
As someone who views FE3H as my favorite tactics JRPG, and one of my favorite games of all time, Engage is... a mix. I really like the look of the game and the graphical and animation upgrade. The changes to combat are overall a positive, though I missed the battalions in 3H giving a more warlike feel. The engage rings are a fun callback to prior games I've played and enjoyed. The change to the social aspects though is very much a negative. The social aspect of 3H truly helped you to care for each of the members of your house, or dislike them. They had fleshed out stories, histories predating the game that mattered and shaped who they were, and shaped how their supports would develop over time. Engage... just doesn't. The characters are well designed avatars of general 1-dimensional characters, and it's a shame. I do like Engage, but it is definitely an overall step down from FE3H. So, yes. I basically agree with everything in your review here. Yay confirmation bias I suppose.
It's actually funny, because most of the cons of the game Skill up is talking about turn into pros to me. Of course, I can't talk about my experience with the story or the character development the game offers, since I can't play it yet. That said, I'm so glad to hear that I won't be forced to listen to so many simps in Engage. Three Houses had good ideas about how to interact with your crewmembers, but damn was it a chore to listen to the whole cast simping over your main character all the goddamn time.
Also, the hub sections of Three Houses felt more like repetitive checklists between each battle rather than actual social experiences with my crew. And not doing everything that could be done in between battles was very detrimental to the experience, so it felt really forced onto me.
Finally, I'm quite happy to hear that your regularly get characters again. That's one of the major blunder of Three Houses to me. Most of what I said earlier was pretty much down to personal preference, but the character recruitment aspect of Three Houses was objectively bad. You started with a good amount of characters from the get go, but you were basically stuck with them for a good portion of the game and the way to get new characters was unfulfilling : you didn't earn their trust after helping them or opened their eyes on the atrocities of what the side they were fighting for was commiting...The characters in Three Houses were already on your side, they already had way too much respect for you and I never felt a significant change in how they behaved after recruiting them, making me feel like there was no reason for them to take this long to join my crew to begin with.
Anyway, thanks for the hard work as always. I don't comment basically at all on these reviews but you deserve to be thanked for all of them.
The end of the review is basically you just wanting but not knowing a remake of Holy War or a rerelease of Path of Radiance. Holy War has probably my favourite story out of any FE game with Path of Radiance/Radiant Dawn (apart from the last 1/4 of Radiant Dawn) had the better mission design and gameplay with great characters.
FE 4 rework would be a dream come true for me
@@sakutaro3musik486 same it was the game that got me hooked on FE while still being my favourite entry with only Ike's games coming close.
A shift back to gameplay focus, def for me. A bit over the top but I will take a weaker story/character for good gameplay in FE games every time.
3H only players are really annoying. Didn't even compare the combat from 3H to Engage. 3H combat is the most boring amongst the series. You didn't even finish 3H yet you keep comparing it.
Still gonna get Engage but I definitely wish it would become a bit closer to 3 Houses when it comes to character relations and story. Sounds like a middle ground between the 2 games would be pretty perfect for me imo
I thought 3H completely lost the essence of what FE is with all the sim bollocks, planting a garden bollocks and fishing bollocks. If this is a return to what made the series good in the first place I’m in. Day 1 purchase for me
Unfulfilled character interactions. Sounds like real life.
This doesn't seem great. Who cares about any of the previous main characters? Most of them literally never say a word. Their different hair color is their most interesting character trait. Not sure why this got a "I recommend". Midnight Suns fared worse but seemed like you had much more fun.
A huge problem with FE3H was that 60% (probably more) of the gameplay wasn’t Fire Emblem gameplay. Excited to hear that this may be fixed for Engage.
Well it’s more of this game went back to the old style of fire emblem
@@ShinyUmbreon106 and Amen to that.
Skill up: "I pushed on for completion sake"
Also Skillup: "I recommend Fire Emblem Engage"
It's almost like the title is just their to appease game Devs
Glad to hear this is not overburdened with Three Houses school/social stuff between the tactical gameplay that I want from Fire Emblem games.
Engage is a return to the more classic formular???
Sign me up, baby! Can´t stand those fucking waifu simulators the newer entries turned into...
FYI: Bord is an actual Character that exists in Fire Emblem Shadow Dragon
Did "This Week in Video Games" get canceled for 2023? :( I love those videos. I don't care about this weeb shit.
It sounds like closer to older FE, bigger focus on battle and more minimalistic story/sim aspect.
I'm totally fine with it, but I can see it might feels lacking for those who started from 3DS titles onward.
Sounds like it needs to be somewhere between the two: I loved the GBA Fire Emblems, which were very battle-centric, and found Three Houses to be utterly exhausting: The school map was ENORMOUS to the point that it seemed disrespectful to the player, making them spend 15 minutes just walking to get around the place every single day. A Three Houses set in a location literally 1/5th the size would have been great.
I'm torn on this one for sure. I was always more into the older FE games that were more based on combat and the lords' story than the dating sim stuff. This sounds like an absolute win in that regard, but the older ones also had pretty good characters and this seems pretty lacking there...
Lastly, keep in mind they didn't "abandon" anything. Engage is a 30th anniversary celebration title. Hence the joycon colored hair and returning character emblems. It's not meant to be the "future of the franchise". It's a fanservice game, for diehard fans like me
One major flaw with Three Houses was that the first half, the period before war breaks out, was largely identical regardless of which House you chose to lead - this meant that for quite some time, repeat playthroughs were quite tedious. Oh, sure, there were a couple of unique scenes (such as finding Dimitri wandering the monastery at night, if you're leading his House), but it was 95% identical, only diverging halfway through.
I, for one, HATED this as I had no motivation to do NG+ and go down a different path, as it meant I'd be bored stiff for a significant chunk of time. Ugh.
Another issue I had with Three Houses was the whole calendar and Activity Points systems, since it artificially limited what I could do in my playthroughs - I like grinding, to some extent, which I could do whenever I wanted and for however long I wanted in Awakening and two-thirds of Fates, so these systems irritated me.
Hopefully these systems are gone, in Engage.
Yeah i think the social aspects was nice, but they did wear out their welcome after a while. And espacially when replaying the game. I think they could have still had them but done it better.
Because it wasn’t meant to be like persona 5
@@therealjaystone2344 I realise that, and I did find the comparisons to Persona to be quite inaccurate - 3H only lets you act on Sundays, for one, whereas Persona usually has the entire week explorable; Persona doesn't have activity points artificially limiting actions either, with each activity organically spending actual time, in a series known for it, whereas 3H just bolts it on (you can have lunch multiple times, for instance, or have multiple tea parties, without time visibly passing since FE as a series doesn't have a day/night system).
Oh, and needing to increase your Flying, Heavy Armour and/or Cavalry skills in order to access those classes, and characters only being able to unlock a new class once a week, is quite frustrating too - in older games all you needed was a Second or Master Seal (or for Fates, a Partner Seal once married) to change class whenever you wished. That was leagues more flexible than 3H's system.
Not to mention how your skill levels also influenced which students you could recruit in 3H, in the Academy half - when there were very few opportunities to level up Flying (especially for male Byleth due to gender-locked classes again, when Fates largely removed that), Heavy Armour and Cavalry since very few staff members had these as tutorable options.
That was annoying.
You can more or less skip everything bar the missions themselves on ng+ playthroughs tho, you can literally just skip at the calendar to the end of the month, you dont have to engage with anything you dont want to really.
If you ONLY enjoy fire emblem for the social and dating sim aspects, this game will let you down in a HUGE way. If you either DONT care, or enjoyed a good balance, you'll enjoy this game a lot.
i enjoy a good balance but I think 3 houses had that good balance. While fate was awful and is my most hated FE. My favorites are 3 houses, Holy war and Radiant down, while the first 2 are much higher in my opinion. Fire emblem is an RPG aside of good battles I need good character, lore and story. I played many RPG and an RPG without story is boring as hell. If I want tactical gameplay alone there are games like mario and rabbids, Xcom and many more but FE is an RPG which it shouldn´t forget
@@sakutaro3musik486 I hate to break it to you, but Engage is closer to the classic FE formula than almost ever before. 3 houses was the EXCEPTION, not the rule. Even awakening and fates were for that matter. FE 1-8 were basically NEVER where you would look for an extremely developed story or characters. And even though people connect just as closely with characters from those older games, it kinda has an element of "make your own fun" when it comes down to it. Your enjoyment of this game basically comes down to "what does FE mean to you?" And I just want to let you know that veteran fans are gonna have a VERY different answer than fans that joined within the last 5-8 years.
It's funny how the initial review is contrasted to other reviewers. A **lot** of people are saying that the story has a plot twist that elevates it above others of the series. And they are saying that the social aspect with bonding of the characters are more in-depth than ever before. I don't know what happened here but the reviews are clearly contradicting. Either way, can't wait to play this on Friday.
He had to be playing on the easiest mode, im sweating my ass off on hard classic and I beaten maddening in 3 Houses.
This is the kind of FE I need. I loved Three Houses but I'm ready to go back to a basic, tactics driven FE game like the good old days.
It sounds like Engage is worth it for you then. But I think we'll all miss the storytelling that gave those battles meaning and weight and memorability.
@@Senyuno I couldn't tell you half the plot of Shadow Dragon anymore, and it hasn't been long since I played it last.
We're kinda used to that aspect going up and down around here
"We’ll all." Thanks for speaking for everyone, Emperor. Three Houses probably went too far, this one is an over correction. When I.S. hits the perfect balance between the two the majority of players will be happy.
@@Senyuno lol... the story will always be there
@@Senyuno I mean people are acting like Engage has no story. It might not the best story out there but it's still there to follow. Three houses story was nice but i think that game also had alot of issues, espacially in the latter half. Some routes felt unfinished lore wise.
I hate the slog That was 3 houses AND prefer the simple GBA style without long conversations AND all that. Just battles aND small story bits During chapters. A big step up for the franchise in my book. We need More games like echoes AND the GBA ones, AND less awakening, fates AND three houses. AND by the way, i love all, just prefer that style of Gameplay.
I really love the social sim part but I remember feeling a bit overwhelmed at a point in FE3H so I think I'll enjoy this, even if I think a middle ground would be nice.
All the unit customisation and gameplay stuff sounds really exciting, but being able to use the same strategy with no variation in the late game sounds worrying. I'm not sure what difficulty you played on, but FE usually shines most when played on hard as the game is generally best balanced there for strategic/tactical gameplay, so I'm hoping map design and tactical variety may not be as lacking as it sounds, at least from an FE fan POV. That said, damn... As a fan who actually likes the social stuff, its pretty disappointing to hear that Engage completely back tracks on that stuff. It could get pretty old in mid-late game FE3H, so I was really hoping for an improvement here. It is even more disappointing to hear about the average story and lacking character writing, particularly for such a vibrant looking cast. FE has always had a bit of an issue with spreading its characterisation too thin among the supporting cast aside from 3H and FE4 IMO. I will say though that the bigger cast probably facilitates permadeath as a mechanic more, so perhaps that will make up for the weak character development. Its particularly disappointing to hear about the underutilisation of past FE characters in the writing department as the older games have a lot to offer. I guess I'll just have to keep on taking hopium for more FE remakes and get some high grade copium for IS nailing a FE4 or FE5 remake. That said, Engage still looks really fun as an FE fan and I'm sure I'll enjoy it
Skill Up ran into problem of playing Fire Emblem on an easy setting. Its like the difference between Three Houses on hard and Three Houses on Maddening. Hard barely requires strategy and is very easy. Maddening has some serious challenge to it and makes you rethink how you play the game. I am not sure if Engage will come with a maddening mode on release or if we shall have to wait for a DLC like Three Houses but once that comes out I'm sure Engage will offer what skill up wanted. An actual challenge.
Well 3H social aspects didnt go so far either and plenty of your complains about characters here are also valid for 3houses. so i'm not worried.midnight suns gameplay changed often because you weren't in control of your characters but cards powers . in fire emblem i want fullcontrol .. sure that might be repetitive ..but for many , this is the good stuff.
Even if you’re not the biggest fan of the series I love your opinion. As a lot of the 8 minute reviews out now don’t go this in depth. On top of being one of my favorite reviewers 💯 I’m stoked to get away from the calendar and monastery and the focus on battles is exactly what I want
this feels more like i dont recommend review seems like there just tons of negatives lol
While I didn't agree on a lot of the points raised by this review, it did make me feel a bit better about my decision to cancel my preorder. I initially canceled it just because I already have so many games on the go and felt bad trying to start a new one, especially a JRP that demands a lot of attention. But after this review, my fears about this game being a step backwards from the social sim stuff I adored in Three Houses are pretty much confirmed. I want Three Houses to be the blueprint for the franchise going forward, and I'm willing to vote with my wallet to make sure the developers know that.
best thing was to focus on combat again. you want LOTS of story and talk? go play persona....
i am serious, those new " reviewers" just can't separate their opinion from facts. An opinion" i love all the waste of time doing side activities in three houses, i wish there was more here" a fact " three houses focus on social activities and this game focus more in combat, choose what you like"
seriously, is not that hard. Persona's influence fucked up a lot of good games because everything now HAS to be about socializing characters and relationships and love interests oh my god that is BORING. i wanna play a video game, not socialize characters to have a xp boost.....
Got FE Sacred Stones free from Nintendo on 3DS as apart of their ambassador program and I have been a FE fan since then I am really looking forward to this game. I may be a little bored of the overly anime astetic but graphically this game looks beautiful and the character designs look better than previous games
Hopefully people like you don't have influence on the fire emblem series. The less 'at base busy work' the better. 3 Houses for us old school fire emblem fans was a step backwards not a step forward. Combat should be 90% of the game and the other 10% is unit prep and story.....Great Review by the way you clearly talk about how it goes back to its roots which is a negative for you but make it clear it will be a positive for others...like myself.
TheConsumer is about 18 hours in and this game is lame. Story is boring, Dialogue is awful, characters are lame and 50% of are prepubescents children.......This game went WAY to japanesey for my taste.
I was considering picking this one up since i heard and seen so much good things about Three Houses and thought this one would have something similar just with exstra system, shame.
Maybe if i can ever pick it up on a sale, but knowing Nintendo i'll have to wait long.
better pick up 3 houses if you prefer good story and character development
@@sakutaro3musik486 I will, when i have time for it, its one massive game.
Damn, FE going backwards
I loved the sim aspect of three houses.
I wouldn’t mind re-releasing Awakening and Fates on the switch.
If anything I would rather be a Japan exclusive or any of the older games before awakening that would get port/remastered
Sounds like I should just go back and finally run Three houses for the final route I haven't done yet.
Oh thank god. I found three houses social stuff nonsensical fluff that I HATED having to ‘engage’ with.
Combat and customization. Yes, please.