Very informative and now you got a newbie going threw all the options that Chameleon has to offer. I totally understand that there are many options when it comes to antenna's. So if you had to put a bag of tricks of all Chameleon has to offer what components would you throw in there regarding a vertical whip a dipole and a delta loop .
Its a great question, but difficult to answer. Its like asking which pickup truck is best to carry a dozen 2 X 4's home from Lowes. So many variables come into play, and there are many right answers. If you want to email me, we could go back and forth with a few question / answer sessions to be sure you get some direction more specific to your needs / interests. thehoaham@gmail.com
Fonzie gave us 'Jumping the Shark'; Bob is now giving us 'Jumping the Coil" 🤣🤣🤣 I have no idea what made me think of that. Good video. Looking forward to Saturday
Yes, I noticed this in their user guides, which are always filled with very helpful information. Manufacturers provide guidelines which hold true in the highest % of deployments. Ground radials are the same; number and lengths are recommendations for each operator to perfect in the actual set up. Shows even with some variation excellent results will be achieved.
Wow great video and channel. New General here, trying to figure out what to do for an antenna out of my condo that could pack up nicely for POTA. Seems like a possible option for sure.
I use the Wolf River Sporty Forty Coil on their 17.5’ whip. I have a jumper wire that I connect to bypass the coil for 20-10meters. Their coil is robust as well as their whip and more cost effective than this. Looks like a direct copy of theirs. It might be more robust than Wolf River’s. Looks like it is well made.
I too have the Wolf River Coil; I'm a huge WRC fan and have their full size as well as the mini coil. The CHA M-Coil is significantly smaller and precision machined metal. The Sporty 40 is larger and made from home construction grade PVC. They both get give us the ability to convert a 20 meter whip to 40. Its great to have options so we can choose one if we prefer it, or both if we can afford it.
Hi Bob, I really enjoy all the videos you do. This looks like a great setup. Newbie question, I have a Cha Hybrid Mini, would there be any reason to also add that to this setup? Hope the restoration project is going well. Thanks, Jim
Thanks for the video. When the weather breaks here I want to do something similar. If you could give me your opinion on this setup I'd appreciate it. I want to use your same setup but use the SS25 in place of the SS17 and use the LZ 60' slope wire clipped to the top of the SS25. Do you think this setup will work 80 meters ?
A few thoughts: First, Chameleon doesn't provide any information on using the LZ Sloper (60') with the SS25; I suspect this is due to strain it would put on the SS25. So if you are going to do this, you would likely need to guy the SS25 to minimize strain. Second, the M-Coil, SS25, and LZ Sloper combined length don't give you a resonant length on 80, so this isn't going to work. Third, as an alternate, you could try adding the CHA Hyrbrid Micro between the ground spike and M-Coil, then guyed SS25, the LZ Sloper and use a tuner to tune up. Not sure how well it would work, but it would certainly be the best config with the components listed. This is my educated guess.
@@HOAHamRadio Thanks Bob. I hadn't ran the numbers yet to see if it would be resonant. Also I'm unsure of the magic in the M-Coil. I think I'll just wait until the Mad Dog coil comes back into stock and see about going that route. That's for 80 Meters. I'm still going to give your demonstration a try on the other bands.
Why didn’t you bother to compare it to the Sporty Forty, which you had previously reviewed/highly praised (and which I think you had prepared that jumper for)?
@matthewtrail2538, first, I only demonstrate or review products on my channel that I consider worthy of my time and money, regardless if I purchased the item or it was provided without charge for my review. Over time, people will either respect my opinion or they won't, based on my body of work and contribution to the hobby; I am not trying to convince anyone, they will reach their own conclusion regardless of what I say. Both the M-Coil and the Sporty Forty are worthy of my time and money. If they were not, I would not waste my own time on the two videos, let alone your time. Second, when I review a product brand, I do not generally compare it to competitive brands as each brand has to stand on its own. There has to be a value proposition to own it independent of comparison to other brands. Third, as both Amateur Radio and TH-cam are my hobbies, which I desire to enjoy, I have no interest in drama. Everyone has their favorite brands and preferences. Some want lower cost gear and accept lesser materials / performance. Some want premium materials / performance and smaller form factor and are willing to pay the higher price based on higher cost. Comparing these just creates drama. I have enough drama in my daily 50 hour a week fulltime job, I’m certainly not going to invite it onto my channel which is for enjoyment and education. If someone wants to fight, they will need to go to another channel. Rarely have I commented in the past when people want to pick a fight over the irrelevant, and over time I have simply resorted to ignoring or deleting comments. Both the CHA M-Coil and Sporty Forty have a value proposition. They both can stand on their own and are worth the price they are sold for. Both push RF to 40 meters using a 17’ whip; one does it at lower cost with hardware store home plumbing PVC, one does it at a higher cost with precision machined aircraft grade aluminum and stainless steel. I have informed viewers on both, with independent reviews - it is their choice to make. If I were forced to make a single choice, which in my mind I certainly have a preference, the result would be drama. Back to point 3.
What makes it more attractive is how compact is this setup! I can put it in a compartment of my camper and ready to deploy when needed! Thanks! 73.
It is indeed compact and a precision piece of gear.
Very informative and now you got a newbie going threw all the options that Chameleon has to offer. I totally understand that there are many options when it comes to antenna's. So if you had to put a bag of tricks of all Chameleon has to offer what components would you throw in there regarding a vertical whip a dipole and a delta loop .
Its a great question, but difficult to answer. Its like asking which pickup truck is best to carry a dozen 2 X 4's home from Lowes. So many variables come into play, and there are many right answers.
If you want to email me, we could go back and forth with a few question / answer sessions to be sure you get some direction more specific to your needs / interests. thehoaham@gmail.com
Fonzie gave us 'Jumping the Shark'; Bob is now giving us 'Jumping the Coil" 🤣🤣🤣 I have no idea what made me think of that. Good video. Looking forward to Saturday
Ah, the Fonz! Thanks for stopping by for a look.
Thanks for the video!!
Thanks for the view and commet!
Just an FYI that Chameleon recommends the SS17 extended to 16 feet for 40 meters on it's web site.
Yes, I noticed this in their user guides, which are always filled with very helpful information. Manufacturers provide guidelines which hold true in the highest % of deployments. Ground radials are the same; number and lengths are recommendations for each operator to perfect in the actual set up. Shows even with some variation excellent results will be achieved.
Wow great video and channel. New General here, trying to figure out what to do for an antenna out of my condo that could pack up nicely for POTA. Seems like a possible option for sure.
Thanks for the kind remarks. Appreciate the view and comment.
I use the Wolf River Sporty Forty Coil on their 17.5’ whip. I have a jumper wire that I connect to bypass the coil for 20-10meters. Their coil is robust as well as their whip and more cost effective than this. Looks like a direct copy of theirs. It might be more robust than Wolf River’s. Looks like it is well made.
I too have the Wolf River Coil; I'm a huge WRC fan and have their full size as well as the mini coil.
The CHA M-Coil is significantly smaller and precision machined metal. The Sporty 40 is larger and made from home construction grade PVC. They both get give us the ability to convert a 20 meter whip to 40. Its great to have options so we can choose one if we prefer it, or both if we can afford it.
Direct copy - LOL
Hi Bob, I really enjoy all the videos you do. This looks like a great setup. Newbie question, I have a Cha Hybrid Mini, would there be any reason to also add that to this setup? Hope the restoration project is going well. Thanks, Jim
Thanks for the video. When the weather breaks here I want to do something similar. If you could give me your opinion on this setup I'd appreciate it. I want to use your same setup but use the SS25 in place of the SS17 and use the LZ 60' slope wire clipped to the top of the SS25. Do you think this setup will work 80 meters ?
A few thoughts:
First, Chameleon doesn't provide any information on using the LZ Sloper (60') with the SS25; I suspect this is due to strain it would put on the SS25. So if you are going to do this, you would likely need to guy the SS25 to minimize strain.
Second, the M-Coil, SS25, and LZ Sloper combined length don't give you a resonant length on 80, so this isn't going to work.
Third, as an alternate, you could try adding the CHA Hyrbrid Micro between the ground spike and M-Coil, then guyed SS25, the LZ Sloper and use a tuner to tune up. Not sure how well it would work, but it would certainly be the best config with the components listed. This is my educated guess.
@@HOAHamRadio Thanks Bob. I hadn't ran the numbers yet to see if it would be resonant. Also I'm unsure of the magic in the M-Coil. I think I'll just wait until the Mad Dog coil comes back into stock and see about going that route. That's for 80 Meters. I'm still going to give your demonstration a try on the other bands.
Why didn’t you bother to compare it to the Sporty Forty, which you had previously reviewed/highly praised (and which I think you had prepared that jumper for)?
@matthewtrail2538, first, I only demonstrate or review products on my channel that I consider worthy of my time and money, regardless if I purchased the item or it was provided without charge for my review. Over time, people will either respect my opinion or they won't, based on my body of work and contribution to the hobby; I am not trying to convince anyone, they will reach their own conclusion regardless of what I say. Both the M-Coil and the Sporty Forty are worthy of my time and money. If they were not, I would not waste my own time on the two videos, let alone your time.
Second, when I review a product brand, I do not generally compare it to competitive brands as each brand has to stand on its own. There has to be a value proposition to own it independent of comparison to other brands.
Third, as both Amateur Radio and TH-cam are my hobbies, which I desire to enjoy, I have no interest in drama. Everyone has their favorite brands and preferences. Some want lower cost gear and accept lesser materials / performance. Some want premium materials / performance and smaller form factor and are willing to pay the higher price based on higher cost. Comparing these just creates drama. I have enough drama in my daily 50 hour a week fulltime job, I’m certainly not going to invite it onto my channel which is for enjoyment and education. If someone wants to fight, they will need to go to another channel. Rarely have I commented in the past when people want to pick a fight over the irrelevant, and over time I have simply resorted to ignoring or deleting comments.
Both the CHA M-Coil and Sporty Forty have a value proposition. They both can stand on their own and are worth the price they are sold for. Both push RF to 40 meters using a 17’ whip; one does it at lower cost with hardware store home plumbing PVC, one does it at a higher cost with precision machined aircraft grade aluminum and stainless steel. I have informed viewers on both, with independent reviews - it is their choice to make. If I were forced to make a single choice, which in my mind I certainly have a preference, the result would be drama. Back to point 3.
@ thank you for your reply.
I really enjoy your videos. Thank you for all you do. Wealth of knowledge for us new to HF
@@KG6UQA Appreciate that a great deal @KG6UQA. Hope to continue to help. Thanks for watching.