Hi friends, a fan on discord requested on Sundays that we release Buffy earlier so that they may have breakfast and watch Buffy, so you all may thank Scott for your new Sunday Buffy time
I had a tough week, with days without power after Hurricane Beryl, and tomorrow I need to be on the phone all day about repairs and insurance, so it was nice to see this on Sunday when I got home from church and had the time to watch.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I am so proud of the three of you. Hearing you call out the toxicity of Xander's behaviour is music to my ears. The very genuine look of appalled horror when something highly inappropriate gets said/done/mentioned and is completely ignored or overlooked makes me want to hug all of you. I love too that when the boys in the show do something RIGHT, you praise it too. Scott showing how a girl could feel safe rejecting them was an eye opener for those of us young enough to find it surprising. That you commended him made me smile. You're good men.
Giles knew about Angel. He knew becuase he understands Buffy. He used the fake spell to get Buffy to say it out loud, because he knew she had to say it out loud to heal. Notice he also brought it up when Willow was present. He wanted Willow to hear it too. He wanted her to understand how dangerous the magics she is doing is. How dangerous it can be. That there are consequences to doing magic.
I'm not sure that Giles knew the details, just "I knew that there was something I didn't know", to quote Willow, If he knew exactly what had happened, he could have spoken to Buffy directly.
@Jessica_Roth Buffy needed to say it. She didn't need someone to talk at her about it. And Willow needed to hear it from Buffy, too, not Giles. Consequences is something Willow struggles with. Especially with her conflict avoidant personality.
@@spamfilter32 I agree, Giles had to know that Willow's spell working after Angelus opened the portal was a possibility. I'm sure he at least suspected that it was the case, but he couldn't of known with 100% certainty. What he could be entirely sure of is that she needed to open up about exactly what happened. Buffy's behavior could've been the result of something that Giles couldn't have predicted & I think he was aware of that. Perhaps he didn't try a direct approach with Buffy for that reason as well as not wanting to push too hard. He knew she needed to talk, but he also knew that she had to be ready to talk as well. Forcing the issue might have caused her to shut down all together. ❤🧡💛💚💙💜
Dollhouse is so underrated. I do wish Eliza had agreed to the spin-off but I understand why she didn’t. She was scared it wouldn’t live up to Buffy and Angel(crazy if you ask me), and Joss wouldn’t be able to be as involved as he was with those. He wanted to focus on his family apparently.
I've heard a theory that the longer a vampire lives, the more they resemble some animal. The Master was resembling a bat somewhat, Kakistos is getting close to a bull... and certain someone we see for a few seconds in the end of this episode starts turning into a hyppo.
I love this episode. Giles getting Buffy to talk about what happened is one of my favorite moments. He doesn’t pressure her but gives her a reason to talk about it. He just handles it so well 💜 I keep wanting to comment on things in the discussion part but I can’t without spoilers!!
That scene was excellent; the three best actors on the series, all doing great work. (I love how Alyson Hannigan runs through four separate reactions to "There is no spell" : "What?' then "Oh!" then "Giles is so cool!" and finally, "Oh, poor Buffy!")
Mr. Trick grabs the fast food worker through the drive-thru window. Joe: I told you he was on the menu! Me: GROAN! 😆😆 Mike: And he has that soda to wash him down with. Me: GROANNNN! 🤣🤣🤣 You guys crack me up. 😄
I think the most common understanding is that while Watchers can detect potential slayers, they aren't perfect and can miss some. So, Kendra was discovered early, and probably Faith too (it doesn't look like she was only slaying for a few months), but Buffy slipped through the cracks. I'm not sure if this was ever confirmed by the creators though.
i don't remember if this bit made it to film and i'll never watch the movie again, but whedon's script includes a bit where the watcher apologizes for having to rush buffy's training.
The Watchers definitely have some form of divination around detecting Slayers. Kendra was identified as a potential Slayer when she was very young and so started her training from a young age, years before she was called. This divination though must not be perfect since we also know that Buffy was not found by her Watcher until she was called to be a Slayer in LA. From this we know there are a set of potential Slayers, and the Watchers have an imperfect divination that can detect these potential Slayers, but some slip through the cracks (Like Buffy who wasn't detected until after she was called). We also know it isn't random which potential Slayer gets called because Giles told Buffy, "There is a reason you are here, and a reason it is now!" Fate picks which Slayer is called based on some criteria about where a Slayer is needed. It also seems fate intercedes to put Slayers where they are needed (Buffy getting sick and going to the hospital to fight the Der Kinderstad).
Mikey: (about Principal Snyder) Why does he have a knife? Me: That's a letter opener. (Heeeheeee.) Edited to add: I forgot you're younger than me. Okay, so... a letter is this thing people used to send on paper, via the post office. This was before email and texting. 😉😄 J/k. You know I love you guys. 🤗
"Why are there so many abandoned building there?" Everyone *dies* there. Whaddya Mean!?" Killed me, why did I never ask this question, let alone think about the answer! 🤷♀️🤦♀️😅
Another fun reaction and thank you for the entertaining thoughts and ideas for the future. Just a few things to help inwatching and understanding Buffy. All of your questions will be answered…. Just never on your timeline, never exactly how you expect it, and for part of a story that is unfolding. Next. BTVS is told not like a regular series but like an epic novel. The first 12 episodes are like a prologue to the main story. It introduces the characters, the personalities, and actions to form the main protagonist c. Seasons 2 to 7 are the main story and is all connecting. But like an epic, the connections and main points are not fully understood because like life it’s not apparent immediately and can not be understood until the story is growing near its harvest time. Always keep in mind the overall narrative is the journey for Buffy to become a strong, independent, free thinking, emotionally strong, confidently sexual person, that understands what real love is for herself and with another. With all that the name of the show will tell you what each episode will have… Buffy( humor), The Vampire( Supernatural )Slayer( Action). That’s the fun part that keeps you watching like a novel that keeps you turning the page. You are fully on the Buffyverse now. Buckle up and I know you will enjoy the ride
My head canon is that the lack of respect shown to Giles indicates that the watchers don’t get to choose the watcher who is actually assigned to the slayer, or it would be the most prestigious position. I see them like academic types, with those at the bottom trying to get published, trying to get tenure. This puts a different slant on the first meeting with Buffy. That weird excitement. Maybe he thought he was getting vindication and finally the respect of his peers. Instead he got Buffy, an unprepared, unwilling, uncontrollable slayer that others expected to have such a short run his selection barely counted.
No, the Watchers expected Buffy to die soon. It was prophesied. They didn't respect Giles, so they sent a Watcher they didn't think much of to watch a Slayer they expected to die real soon. Save the Watchers they DO respect for the Slayers the think will last.
@@spamfilter32 I don't know that the Watchers knew about the prophecy of Buffy's death. (Remember, Angel had the book, not the Watchers.) I think that as Buffy had already gotten one Watcher killed, they figured that it was too dangerous to be with her, so they figured they would dump this on Giles, who is only in the club because he's a third-generation legacy (as he mentions in "That Episode with Owen") and he's already disgraced himself by doing all that dark magic with Ethan (not to mention what else that group got up to…it was 5 guys and 1 Dierdre at their "orgies' after all.). So they were like "we're stuck with her until she drops…if she's going to get any more Watchers killed, why don't we start with the disposable one?"
@Jessica_Roth I generally agree with that last bit. Still, as for the 1st part, that one book was not the only one with the Prophecy listed. The Master had his own copy of the Prophecy. It is certainly possible that the Watchers had their own, too, that had been kept from Giles. If you know that the Slayer will die soon, you're not likely to tell the person you assign to watch and train the current Slayer. It could also be that they expected her to die soon because she was one of those potential Slayers they missed until she was called. They may expect all such Slayers to die quickly due to not being trained by them from an early age. Sort of like how Jedi don't like to train people they don't find before they reach puberty. Kendra had a highly respected Watcher assigned to her, and she was trained since she was a little girl. It is likely they give top billed watchers to the youngest potential Slayers, and ones that get missed until called get the least respected Watchers. If this is true, it seems likely that Buffy's first watcher was probably not thought highly of either.
@@spamfilter32 That's a good one. The job is so dangerous only the unpopular watchers get the assignment. The rest get to pour over their archives of old books and travel the world to investigate demonic hot spots. Go on retreats, attend fancy parties, hold secret-society meetings and all that.
@@Jessica_RothYeah I think his past as the ripper def made him an outcast, I believe that they don't like him or fully trust him either. I don't know if they contact the powers that be to make the decision because it was a perfect match in this case.
Vampires can drink and eat, but they don't need to. The morning after this episode aired, I left the 732 (Neptune) for Los Angeles. I arrived on Saturday and moved into the room vacated by the pizza guy who got eaten. That's not why the room was vacant. The pizza guy is actually RD Price, David Greenwalt's then assistant. He moved to a bigger place, and his old roommate needed a replacement Eliza was 17 at this time, turning 18 in December 1998. The band playing is Darling Violetta. I got to see them doing a little minitour of LA with four other bands, including Four Star Mary, the real band behind Oz' music. I became good frievds with the guitarist.
@732ReviewCrew I had a reply. It died. Trying again. I did not work on Buffy. I ended up as the writers' production assistant on a show that did not yet exist. For some reason, I believe the show was announced by The WB at the end of the S2 finale. Kind of undercut that episode.
Here you go, Mike. BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER DEATHS: ( so far ) SE1: Welcome to the Hellmouth Chris Boal - Blood drained by Darla Thomas - Staked by Buffy The Harvest Jesse McNally - Killed by the Order of Aurelius, turning him into a vampire. Vamp Jesse McNally - Accidentally bumped onto Xander's stake by a girl, impaling him Luke - Staked by Buffy Teacher's Pet Dr. Stephen Gregory - Head eaten by Natalie French Claw - Staked by Buffy with a piece of a fence Natalie French - Hacked to death by Buffy with a machete Never Kill A Boy on the First Date Collin's mother - Blood drained by the Order of Aurelius Collin - Killed by the Order of Aurelius, and turned into a vampire (the Anointed One) Andrew Borba - Incinerated in a furnace by Buffy The Pack Herbert the pig - Eaten by Xander, Kyle, Tor, Rhonda, and Heidi (possessed by hyena spirits) Principal Flutie - Eaten by Kyle, Tor, Rhonda, and Heidi Doctor Weirick - Eaten by his own hyenas Angel Zachary - Killed offscreen by Buffy The Three - Each staked by Darla Darla - Staked from behind by Angel with an arrow from Buffy's crossbow. I Robot, You Jane Carlo - Neck snapped by Moloch. (Flashback set in 1418) David Kirby - Killed offscreen by Moloch Fritz - Neck snapped by Moloch Moloch - Electrocuted when Buffy tricked him into punching an electric power line while in a robot body The Puppet Show Emily Djemanowicz - Heart cut out by Marc Morgan Shay - Brain cut out by Marc Marc - Decapitated by Xander with a guillotine, then heart stabbed by Sid Sid - Died as a result of killing Marc; Would have been returned to his human body, but his human body was dust by now Prophecy Girl Kevin Benedict - Killed by vampires Buffy Summers - Bitten in the neck and drowned by the Master. She was revived when Xander gave her CPR The Master - Thrown through a ceiling window and impaled on a broken piece of wood by Buffy. SE2: When She Was Bad Tara (vampire) - Staked by Buffy Walt - Staked by Buffy Jane - Staked by Buffy Ned - Staked by Angel Bob - Staked by Buffy with the pointy end of a torch Absalom - Set on fire by Buffy with a torch Some Assembly Required Stephan Korshak - Staked by Buffy with a broken shovel handle Meredith Todd - Is mentioned to be killed in a car crash Jake Atkins - Is mentioned to be killed in a car crash Cathy Ryan - Is mentioned to be killed in a car crash Daryl Epps - Incinerated himself in fire caused by gasoline igniting earlier School Hard Big Ugly - Staked by Buffy Dwayne and Dell - Killed by Spike Sheila Martini - Blood drained by Drusilla. She was later turned into a vampire Brian Kirsh - Neck snapped by Spike The Anointed One - Trapped in a cage by Spike and raised into sunlight Inca Mummy Girl Rodney Munson - Life force drained by the Inca Mummy Ampata Gutierrez - Life force drained by the Inca Mummy Bodyguard - Life force drained by the Inca Mummy Inca Mummy - Thrown and shattered to pieces by Buffy Reptile Boy Brittany Oswald - Eaten offscreen by Machida Kelly Percell - Eaten offscreen by Machida Machida - Killed when Buffy cut off his tail Halloween Willow Rosenberg - Suffocated to become a ghost under Ethan's spell. She was revived when the spell was reversed. Lie to Me Billy Ford - Blood sucked offscreen by Spike. Afterwards he was turned into a vampire Vamp Billy Ford - Staked by Buffy The Dark Age Randall - Killed and possessed by Eyghon. (Set in flashback) Thomas Sutcliffe - Is mentioned to be killed and possessed by Eyghon Diedre Page - Killed and possessed by Eyghon Philip Henry - Killed and possessed by Eyghon Eyghon the Sleepwalker - Tried to possess Angel, but was overpowered by him fighting for control of his body What's My Line, Part 1 Mrs. Kalish - Killed by Norman Pfister Octarus - Kicked in the throat by Buffy while wearing skates, slitting his throat What's My Line, Part 2 Norman Pfister - Killed when Xander and Cordelia stomped on him in worm form Patrice - Knocked out by Kendra, and presumably burned to death when Spike set the room on fire Ted Ted Buchanan - Beaten to death/deactivated by Buffy hitting him in the head with a frying pan Bad Eggs Tector Gorch - Eaten by the Mother Bezoar Mother Bezoar - Killed from the inside by Buffy with a pickaxe Surprise Dalton - Incinerated by the Judge with his power, due to having humanity from his love for reading Innocence Enyos Kalderash - Killed by Angelus The Judge - Blown to pieces by Buffy with a rocket launcher Phases Theresa Klusmeyer - Blood drained by Angelus. She was turned into a vampire afterwards. Vamp Theresa - Staked by Xander Passion Dragon's Cove Owner - Killed by Drusilla Jenny Calendar - Neck snapped by Angelus Killed by Death Celia - Life force sucked out by Der Kindestod. (Shown in flashback) Tina - Life force sucked out offscreen by Der Kindestod. Dr. Stanley Backer - Slashed by Der Kindestod with his claws Der Kindestod - Neck snapped by Buffy I Only Have Eyes For You Ellen Frank - Shot by George Grace Newman - Shot by James Stanley James Stanley - Shot himself Go Fish Nurse Greenliegh - Eaten by Gill Monsters Coach Marin - Eaten by Gill Monsters Becoming, Part One Angel/Liam - Blood drained by Darla, and was turned into a vampire afterwards. (Shown in flashback) Doug Perren - Blood sucked by Drusilla Kendra - Throat slit by Drusilla SE3: Anne Rickie Thomas - Drank drain cleaner Aaron - Bludgeoned by a demon slave driver Andrew Hoelich - Accidentally pushed by Cordelia onto a stake in Xander's hand Ken - Hit in the head by Buffy with a mace Dead Man's Party Pat - Killed by a zombie Ovu Mobani - Impaled in the eyes by Buffy with a shovel Faith, Hope & Trick Happy Burger employee - Blood sucked by Mr. Trick Disco Dave - Staked by Faith Pizza delivery guy - Blood sucked by Mr. Trick Kakistos - Impaled by Faith with a long, sharp plank of wood
Great list and I hope you update it (maybe after each season?). Will you please check David Kirby? I thought he was killed offscreen by Fritz (egged on by Moloch)?
You know what, after this, we don't really know how old Angel is. He was in hell suffering in a different dimension. It could have been for 3 or 4 hundred years or something along those lines. So that adds an untold amount of experience and age to his character. That we don't know.
There is a prequel comic book (the canon version of the movie) where if I remember correctly the guy that says hey you are a slayer in LA also says between lines oops we should have know and have prepared you beforehand but for whatever reason she went of their radar.
Remember a couple of things we learned In Becoming. Whistler brought Angel to California where he became obsessed with Buffy and changed his life. Whistler tells Buffy that he thought he brought Angel to Sunnydale to be his big day. Then he says that he didn’t see her coming. Then the thought process is that Buffy was supposed to die(Prophecy) but Buffy did not follow the Slayer protocols. Having her friends allowed Xander to give CPR , something Angel could not have done. There really was no need to have extensive training because she was to die.
Regarding vampires being invited in - they can come into hotel/motel rooms without invitation. Without being too spoilery there seems to be a grey area around this as they can come into frat houses uninvited (as seen in season 2 Reptile Boy) but not into personal bedrooms in college dorms.
Yay! Welcome, Faith! and welcome back, Angel! That's such a fun episode. Buffy references the movie "Single White Female", which was somewhat popular. You can google it if you don't plan on watching it. I also wonder how Giles was assigned to Buffy. Cause usually, the watchers are training these girls before they are "Called", but Buffy already had a watcher, who died, so when they chose Giles, they were sure he'd be in charge of the slayer. If you watch the Buffy movie, just remember, the lore is not the same as in the show. To be fair to Xander, I know guys who are 40 and they still act like that, so at 17 seems more forgivable XD
Considering how often they debate on whether there will be a new slayer or not, I was curious what their reaction would be. I'm not a big fan of Willow trying to force Buffy into the dating life just because she thinks Buffy should. Buffy will when she's ready. I feel like Buffy only asks him out at the end because people have made her feel smaller by thinking she needs to date when she doesn't whether Angel was in the picture or not. But since he was, and with all Buffy went through, Willow should let Buffy take it at her own pace. And concerning the excuse of not knowing what happens during _Becoming,_ Willow and Xander and Giles still know what Buffy's been through emotionally with Angel and Angelus before that, so trying to set her up through even imitating Faith's line/nickname for Buffy always bugged me. The jealousy moment Buffy has around that time as Willow tries to quote Faith only proves Buffy isn't ready when Scott tries to give her a Claughdah ring. At the end after she opens up, she may have started the healing process, but it's still too soon for dating. Vampire can consume human food, it just doesn't sustain their bodies. Blood does. The group seems back to form, but the issues are just below the surface, being covered up by what seems to be the group back to normal. Yelling at each other didn't really fix anything. It just put all the issues on the table. Said issues still need delt with. The real question is will they get delt with or go back to being bottled up. With Angel back that is going to be a test. Mikey and Mike: "That happened?" and "How?" They explained he was an old vampire. That's what happens when vampires get old. I take it as the equivelant to humans getting wrinkles, age spot, etc. While The Master's name and age aren't mentioned in-universe, the script says about both that he was, _Heinrich Joseph Nest, roughly 600 years old._ This potentially makes Kakistos older than The Master. The Master had a permanant vampire face. Kakistos has a permanant vampire face, cloven hooves, and had such thick skin a standard stake wouldn't do. Unless Faith considered the motel her home, vampires have access. Plus, she was leaving, even if vampires needed an invite, the second she made the decicion to leave, it would be free reign for vampires. But, I'm a subscriber to the first theory over the second one. The best way to explain why Buffy is a better slayer is explained when Spike says, "A slayer with family and friends. That sure as hell wasn't in the brochure." Combined with not having been raised to do it and therefore having more personality to her skills, as she states to Kendra, is why she's lasted so long and beat many old vampires. Spike saying the above line made him the first in the series to acknowledge to that point that it was good fior Buffy to not fight alone, even though Spike considered it bad.
Mikey: Limo? Joe: That's how you could tell a character was evil in the 90's. Me: 🤣🤣 P.S. Fun fact -- I once saw a Chicago production of Wicked, and a voice on stage seemed so familiar to me, I couldn't figure out why. And then all of a sudden I realized -- it's the actor who plays Mr. Trick! (The guy from the limo, lol) What are the odds? Kind of randomly fun and unexpected.
Yesss one of my favourite characters is here. Willow is kind of annoying in this episode, she has good intentions but stop trying to push Buffy into dating when she's clearly not ready
Well, you have to understand also that California is about as far away from England as you can possibly get. I mean, maybe there's a few locations more remote as far as the relationship between England and California. But that changes the dynamic. It's not convenient to travel from their base, which is based in England. All watches. are English by the way. That's a big factor as to why the influence of the council isn't more prevalent.
Mikey is exactly right. Xander was being written as a hero last season, and now they're making him a clown. (The contemporary fan critic David Hines noted that David Greenwalt [writer] uese the same plot device to make us feel sorry for Buffy in this episode as Greenwalt used in his last script, "Ted". Once again, Buffy's friends are all fawning over the new character and ignoring her and gossiping behind her back, and poor sad Buffy gets to pout. The difference is that in "Ted", Xander was being drugged. [And Willow was still pretty loyal after Act I]. I don't mind Joyce being so awful that she insults Buffy right in front of Buffy's face ["Buffy can be awfully negative"] because the show has already established that Joyce is a pretty crappy parent. But Willow and Xander are better than that, so it would be nice if Greenwalt wouldn't use this cheap device.) Of course, there's a reason for that, The show's primary fandom was a bunch of rabid Buffy/Angel 'shippers, who HATED Xander for the "kick his ass" fib in 2.22 and somehow blamed HIM for Angel going to Hell. (How knowing that Willow was trying to resoul Angel would have helped Buffy avoid what she had to do is not explained, but who needs logic when you have a scapegoat?") A vast amount of the Buffy/Angel fans wanted *Xander* sent to Hell, at this point. So all of a sudden, Xander is treated like a comedy supporting character, and isn't even in the episode after the middle of Act II. Come in halfway through the episode, and you don't even see Xander once. (Or Cordelia or Oz, but they're less-prominent characters, IMO.) I mean, seriously, why should Xander cut off Buffy's telling the rocket-launcher story? That's XANDER's story! Xander thought up the plan, Xander pulled off the heist (even though he had to ask Willow to recruit Oz, which was VERY awkward, you'll recall) and Xander showed Buffy how to work the damn thing. It's literally a "Xander saves the whole WORLD!" story, perfect for impressing sexy new Slayers. But instead Greenwalt has Xander act annoying so we can be sad for Buffy. Shove it, Buffy. Shove it, Greenwalt. Boo. All that said, I actually love this episode. Dushku is sexy, the words in the "Angel was cured" scene are nearly poetry, and there are some great jokes, such as "You really do need to find the fun, B-" (Buffy gives Willow a LOOK OF DEATH) "-uffy." or W/X giving Faith the tour. Just a couple of minor complaints, honestly. Like…I'm all for innuendo (Buffy thinking that Willow is suggesting *fellatio* as an icebreaker is hilarious! Mind out of the gutter, Buff!) but as I wrote before, until Buffy starts sneaking into the stacks to snog Cordelia, "lesbian subtext" like "You hungry?" "Starving" feels tacky and exploitative. JMO.
When the subtext was 1st pointed out by fans, Whedon denied it. It wasn't until after he reviewed the scenes in question that he realized it was true. In interviews, the writers said that the lines weren't written as subtext , but it's how Eliza read them & no one thought to correct her. I firmly believe the double entendre was intentional, in this particular case, just for laughs & in recognition of their current state of arousal -- which could just as easily be interpreted as wanting to have someone of the male persuasion, a little alone time, or a cold shower. Honestly, I think Eliza got it right. It suits Faith's character. Faith isn't simply sexy, she oozes sensuality. She's very comfortable in her own skin & I can easily see her being in touch with her desires (even unconventional ones). Sexuality isn't black & white. And neither is Faith. I think Eliza did a very good job embodying Faith's character. ❤🧡💛💚💙💜
@@lance9249 She even needed Xander's help to shut the steel door and climb out of the manhole cover in the beginning. However, she might not have even been in that situation had Xander not been there.
So the name Angel was born with was Liam. Angelus is who he became as a Vampire. As a side note Liam is the Irish version of the English name William Spike's human name was also William. So essentially the show has two important vampire characters named William i always found that interesting about those 2 and wondered if anyone else noticed. 😂 update andthis could be a spoiler I just looked up what the name William means and it means Resolute protector 😂😂
When writers put thought into naming a character they usually opt for either descriptive or ironic meanings. Considering both Liam & William as humans, then as vampires; the whole soul/no soul thing... the meaning really flips around based on circumstances. ❤🧡💛💚💙💜
@@becca1189 I know that's why I looked it up. I just wonder how much of it was coincidence and how much was planned because Spike was supposed to die after a handful of episodes so it's not like they had full season or multiple season plans when they created the character
The mention of Buffy and the prophecy with the Master and that she was destined to die happened. The difference between the other slayers and Buffy was she has friends that were able to bring her back, remember Kendra mentioned they are cut off from friends and family. That is the reason slayers die very young, they don't have help.
Faith Hope & Trick a pivotal episode with the introduction of Faith many fans absolute favourite from the entire Buffyverse. Some great scenes in this when Faith says 'don't you find slaying makes you really hungry and horny' and all the Scoobies turn to face Buffy. Faith is of course totally different to Buffy in being outgoing and streetwise and sexually overt, and we can see Buffy's jealously in the gang engrossed with Faith's stories. The Mayor is was mentioned first in S2, but we had not seen to this point. We see Faith's propensity for pure violence when needlessly pummelling the vampire when Buffy needed help, it seems trait of her character. At the end we see Buffy place The Claddagh Ring on the spot Angel was killed, and he is restored from Hell. It only gets better and better from here, this is a great Season.
Angel, having his soul back and being in hell was one thing, but in the first episode of the season, we learned that time moves differently in other (hellish) dimensions.
Note that Faith specifically said her dead mother was hitting harder than that vamp. Right after the vamp punched her. Could be just a typical slayer's quip, but I wonder if she used to be regularly beaten by her mother. OK, I'm getting into a fanfic territory now, with abused Faith, saved by her watcher, to whom she becomes very close... Pretty sure somebody had written something like that already.
There's so many abandoned buildings because of all the deaths. Its also why real-estate is so affordable, as Xander said in season 1. The only other Cordelia I'm aware of is from a show from the 60s called The Baron.
Lmao to the "everybody dies there." Sunnydale is so small it only has one Starbucks, but canonically, there are 43 churches and 12 cemeteries in the city limits.
Buffy has whooped more vampires than previous slayers because she has friends and family. As Spike said: "A slayer with family and friends. That sure as hell wasn't in the brochure."
So... Giles was selected as a replacement Watcher because in canon, her original Watcher DIED in the incident prior to the series. The Council decided that Giles was the best option as he knew his stuff but given his Ripper background, was seen as an acceptable loss on this reckless and undisciplined Slayer. Also... the man's ability to take head trauma is Legendary! 😂
Along about the end of season 2 is a good time to watch the movie where you get a little explanation on why Buffy has family and friend connections, and the other upcoming slayers-in-training, like Kendra, do not.
Angel's name was Liam as a human in the 1700's before he became a vampire. He at some pt started going by Angel/Angelus (Latin of Angel). It seems some vampires rename themselves after their vampire rebirth, which makes sense as they aren't exactly the same person as they were. Maybe The Master called him Angelus as he is a much older vampire.
*SPOILERS* You may want to (re)watch Angel S1E15 "The Prodigal". It mentions why he took the name Angelus (his sister thought that he had returned to her as an angel -- which is why she also invited him in). He changed it to Angel sometime after the Kalderash cursed him. ❤🧡💛💚💙💜
You insulted my Coke Zero with its essential 12 artificial sweeteners. Please tell me why you're putting down Principal Quark. Yo Mikey, stop calling Angelus, Angeles. Mikey stop with all the conspiracy theories you're making my head hurt. You know this isn't X-Files. Why not watch the Buffy the Vampire Slayer (1992) movie? The fault was Xander intentionally not telling Buffy that Willow was trying to restore Angle's soul.
Another fun reaction and thank you for the entertaining thoughts and ideas for the future. Just a few things to help in watching and understanding Buffy. All of your questions will be answered…. Just never on your timeline, never exactly how you expect it, and for part of a story that is unfolding. Next. BTVS is told not like a regular series but like an epic novel. The first 12 episodes are like a prologue to the main story. It introduces the characters, the personalities, and actions to form the main protagonist c. Seasons 2 to 7 are the main story and is all connecting. But like an epic, the connections and main points are not fully understood because like life it’s not apparent immediately and can not be understood until the story is growing near its harvest time. Always keep in mind the overall narrative is the journey for Buffy to become a strong, independent, free thinking, emotionally strong, confidently sexual person, that
I always just assumed it was the power of Buffy's love that pulled Angel out of Hell. After all, it was the place of the ring that he appeared. Angel is there, and the ring is gone. It was the sacrifice to bring him back.
@@spamfilter32 it's not an opinion. I'm not going to spoil the show (since they're still watching) but if you watch and LISTEN to both shows, you'll know why he was bought back. It has nothing to do with love or a ring, that's just symbolic.
The watchers council usually has methods of detecting "potential slayers" (girls who are maybe destined to become the slayer in the future), the council finds the girls, convince the parents to give them up, and then raise them train them and indoctrinate them. Buffy is an anomaly because she wasn't detected in time, she became the slayer before they found out and therefore they didn't have the time to train her (and indoctrinate her) Rupert Giles is a different sort of anomaly. Watchers are supposed to be extremely obedient, manipulative, and useless. However a child's is rebellious, resourceful, honest, involved, empathetic, and to type it all off a wizard. Rupert Giles definitely doesn't fit the mould of what a watcher is supposed to be. He wasn't supposed to even have a slayer just monitor the helmet. Buffy's first watcher dies in the movie and after the events of the movie her mum decides to take a job in Sunnydale. The union between Buffy and Giles is the last thing that the watchers council would have wanted. Instead of manipulating Buffy into fulfilling her role Giles actually cares for her and listens to her concerns her wants and her needs. All of that is the reason that Rupert is mostly the black sheep of the family as far as to watchers are concerned.
Re: Willow possibly feeling guilty at causing Buffy to kill Angel rather than Angelus -- Remember that Willow asked Xander to tell Buffy she was trying the spell, and he deliberately didn't tell her. IMO, he didn't want Buffy to hold back in hopes of a cure, and possibly get herself killed. But that gives him some potential guilt as well; maybe if Buffy had known she could have handled things differently, maybe delayed the portal opening somehow.
My theory also is that the watchers who “work in the field” are treated with less respect because that’s often the way it works in bureaucratic society. The higher ups are usually out of touch with the reality in the field, and they tend to pay less and value less those who are in the field. It’s also about control… which we see more in coming seasons.
Two things: 1. Buffy is our link into the Slayer-verse and as we all know she did not look at the manual, so all the information will come, when she needs it..... sorry, that is just how it works 2. My head-canon is that the "Watcher's Council" knew about the Prophecy and the Death of the Slayer at the hands of the Master, but Kendra was trained for a while and Buffy was talked to for the first time after she had been gifted the "Slayer" They thought Buffy would be dead and they would have control over a Slayer they had groomed for service, not one, that had slipped through the cracks and did things her own way./
I think the writers didn't know how to make Xander evolve. They wanted to keep the wit/humor and keep him 'normal' (they already have a werewolf and a fledging witch, plus several slayers and possibly a friendly vampire back; they needed to keep some of the cast without power), but they are always hitting that one note and it's kind of annoying. (Whedon did a better job with Jayne in one season of Firefly than in now 3 seasons of Buffy., but granted he was a more mature writer by that time)
@@732ReviewCrew I've never seen a reaction channel do a rewatch before. It might be worth considering recording a rewatch of Firefly in 6 or 8 months. It's a short series and you guys can feel free to talk more during the episodes since you don't need to worry about missing something important. Plus comments wont need to worry about spoilers and can talk about how 'this thing sets up that thing in the future'.
Xander was a teenager, most of the characters are teenagers. Even tho we have the stereotypes, the characters need to feel like their age to be more realistic. Xander acts like a lot of 17 year boys, and he will say dumb and problematic stuff... because that's what most boys with his age says. And whatever the case may be (hating or loving Xander), his behavior is more understandble throughout the show.
Back in the day I really don’t recall any bad talk about the prior episode. So much of this I feel is mostly just driven by modern internet fandom pages and the words of a few earlier on and much if this whole world along with a lot of stuff on the internet in general doesn’t necessarily match the real world all that well and generally tends to be vastly more negative.
Since you guys are watching all my late teen shows, if you get the chance & can find it PLEASE react to Jessica Albas, Dark Angel! 2 seasons, 43 episodes. It was so good! It has action, scifi/fantasy ish, mystery & much more. 😃
@@732ReviewCrew ofcourse! Much appriciated!! & as written may not be an easy find but I do think you guys would really enjoy it! Think Dr Marou meets In a dystopian near-future Seattle with gorgeous Jessica as the main lol :D
"My dead mother hits harder than that." Couple that with Faith's over kill fighting style, she was abused by her mother (and her mother's lovers) before she got her Slayer powers. That wasn't just a saying she was saying.
3:51 Yes Mike! great question! Sugar I know what it does, but some of these sweetners are new enough that we don't know what effect it has on the body, I'll stick to my regular Coke thank you.
"all of these legendary vampires just come to sunnydale and get murdered by buffy" yeah, hubris is a hell of a drug. Vamps have massive fucking ego because "they're different/better/smarter/etc" compared to whoever got their ass dusted
It seems clear to me that the Watchers Council does not think much of Giles. Giles was not Buffy's first Watcher, and so he was never intended to be her watcher. Then we know that Buffy was fated to die fighting the Master. It seems likely that the Watchers Council knew this, and so knew that Buffy wasn't supposed to be a Slayer for very long, so they sent what they thought of as an unimpressive Watcher, why waste the talent when a new Slayer will be called soon, and you can give the real "stud" watcher to that Slayer?
I try hard not to laugh when Reactors attempt to apply modern social mores to shows written by and for earlier generations when the mores were different.
@@732ReviewCrewVampire lore (or any fantastical creature lore) can not be transported from one movie, book, show or Universe to another. The rules of the lore is made up as needed for that specific show (,book, movie or Universe). There are no general vampire rules/lore. You can not import lore from another Universe into any other vampire show, book or movie - it is made up to suit the story and doesn’t necessarily fit or suit what the writer(s) needed in another show. Twilight vampires sparkle in sunshine and Buffy vampires don’t.
i had to stop drinking sodas for a min, highly addicted to them was drinking 2x12 packs a day. i tricked my brain by switching to ginger ale lol not the same, but my brain all "YAY FIZZLES" and ignore the fact it didnt have the caffeine in it haha kinda slipped back into drink it tho, so i would say right now dr pepper, but more so the strawberry and cream flavor combo. outside of that i go for rootbeer or orange cheap brands haha. as for the zero meh tastes like syrup to. also the diet in diet soda is not related to weight at all lol in fact those are worse for you, specially if you have diabetes. its loaded with carconigens (misspelled) which are very bad for you... "i like willow the lil witch" dont we all lol team willow for all time the cloven foot thing is in allot of lore, remember they call these vamps "demons" so as the evil corrupts them over time they evolve/devolve into more demonic forms.i its fun lore, games like legacy of kain also does this. haha the name thing, yea i got it bad myself, no is ever named john... lol
SPOILERS FOR ALL SEASONS OF BOTH SHOWS AND COMICS!!! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!! It's interesting to hear Faith's line about Giles' looks in this episode when you take the comics into account. Giles' adult mind is in his tween body and all he can do is stare at Fath's chest, which makes Faith uncomfortable. It outs what Giles was like pre-Ripper days and shows how much character development Faith has gone through. I love the comics as the largest underlying theme is all the characters dealing with the issues they never do one the show. All the character development that either doesn't happen on the show or only just starts beginning in S7 is the whole point, thematically to the comics.
Reminder, the movie isn't canon to the show. If you're expecting insight on Buffy, the TV character, from the movie, you're setting yourself up for disappointment and confusion. The TV show is a reboot. They kept the titular character and some of the basic concepts but revamped the lore and the events. Joss didn't have complete creative control over the movie. He was dealing with a director who didn't share his exact vision for the movie and an actor who insisted on writing his own lines and couldn't take direction. The movie that got made and the one Joss originally scripted are substantially different. So much so that Joss absolutely hates the movie. Reccommend: Wait until after you complete Buffy, the series, to watch the movie. Then you can do a proper compare and contrast between the movie and the series.
Scott Hope is a misdirect. We are supposed to think he is the "hope" being referred to in the title, but actually Angel is the *hope* being referred to.
That would only make sense if the faith and trick were also intended to be taken metaphorically. There are three characters named Faith, Hope, and Trick. Sometimes it's just easy like that.
Watch the movie. Watch the movie. The sooner the better. It’s already late. But at least pre episode 5 of this season is another extra good point get it done by. Don’t keep waiting.
@@lance9249 I don't mind burying a spoiler under a warning when I'm replying to someone else's comment, but i don't like doing that on an original comment. That just feels like poking the guys and saying 'neener neener neener, you can't read this'.
Buffy is not THE slayer, she is A slayer. At the start of the show, Buffy was THE slayer. When Buffy died in the S1 finale, Kendra was called and the slayer line was passed onto her. Buffy was revived, so she is an anomaly, but she is no longer THE slayer. The slayer line was flowing through Kendra and when she died Faith was activated. The slayer line now flows through Faith. If Faith were to die, a new slayer would be called. Buffy is now the extra. She’s not part of the slayer line anymore. She should be dead. If she were to die, a new slayer would not be activated. While Buffy is the most successful slayer, her existence doesn’t matter when it comes to the traditional slayer line. Also, Buffy is the most successful slayer because she has friends and family that support her and fight with her. All other slayers have fought alone. Buffy is also the only slayer to have an incredibly hands on watcher. All other slayers had watchers that were hands off and would send their slayers on missions and expect them to return when it was complete, like we saw with Kendra. In only a couple short years, Buffy has redefined what it is to be a slayer. Giles saw that would be the case when he met her and that is why he didn’t push the slayer handbook on her as referenced in the What’s My Line? S2 episodes in his conversation with Kendra. If Buffy has changed the game this much already, the possibilities for which she can continue to be influential are endless.
Re: episode 3x2 -- I got a kick out of "Dead Man's Party" when I first saw it. I thought and still think that the only reason everyone started venting at the party is that the mask was bringing buried feelings to life, and that none of them would have behaved like that in normal circumstances. For most of the episode, they were trying NOT to express their negative feelings, to a point where they were avoiding Buffy. As Xander says just before the venting starts, "You can't just bury stuff, Buffy. It'll come right back up to get you."
@@732ReviewCrew @naynay3710 0 seconds ago Sorry, I'm not sure of the time stamp, but it happened most of the time you guys were talking - not actually during show playback, and especially during the after-show reaction. It seemed like a slow drumming early on, then as you got more excited and louder, it got worse. I'm surprised no one else has mentioned it, or that you didn't notice it during editing. At first, I thought it was music you all had in the background (because it seemed like drumming), but later, I realized it wasn't. I really don't know anything about mics, but I thought perhaps their volume might be set too high. I should mention I was listening with earphones on, so perhaps that had something to do with it. Maybe it's just that I'm crazy, though, since you didn't hear it in editing and no one else has mentioned it.
Hi friends, a fan on discord requested on Sundays that we release Buffy earlier so that they may have breakfast and watch Buffy, so you all may thank Scott for your new Sunday Buffy time
OK, but now I'm always sleeping when you release it XD
Thanks for the change, and thanks, me! Of course circumstances today made it so I couldn't watch until lunch. But next week, hopefully!
@@ScottKornfeldIt always works that way.
I had a tough week, with days without power after Hurricane Beryl, and tomorrow I need to be on the phone all day about repairs and insurance, so it was nice to see this on Sunday when I got home from church and had the time to watch.
Hope you're okay friend!
Eliza Dushku aka Faith has entered the series !!!
Five by Five.
"Nothing of importance is happening in this episode" - literally one of my favorite characters being introduced
Joe's childhood crush too 🤔
@@732ReviewCrew I also had a thing for Faith, it's not just Joe. And one more brief character to come later....
@@732ReviewCrew Me, too, and I'm straight, but I'd consider switching sides.
"There is no spell." 😢❤
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I am so proud of the three of you. Hearing you call out the toxicity of Xander's behaviour is music to my ears. The very genuine look of appalled horror when something highly inappropriate gets said/done/mentioned and is completely ignored or overlooked makes me want to hug all of you. I love too that when the boys in the show do something RIGHT, you praise it too. Scott showing how a girl could feel safe rejecting them was an eye opener for those of us young enough to find it surprising. That you commended him made me smile.
You're good men.
Thank you so much this means a lot
Mikey’s manic energy during reviews is me when I’m excited about something new.
The best way I've heard to describe the difference between the three slayers:
Faith = Id
Kendra = Super Ego
Buffy = Ego
Giles knew about Angel. He knew becuase he understands Buffy. He used the fake spell to get Buffy to say it out loud, because he knew she had to say it out loud to heal. Notice he also brought it up when Willow was present. He wanted Willow to hear it too. He wanted her to understand how dangerous the magics she is doing is. How dangerous it can be. That there are consequences to doing magic.
I'm not sure that Giles knew the details, just "I knew that there was something I didn't know", to quote Willow, If he knew exactly what had happened, he could have spoken to Buffy directly.
@Jessica_Roth Buffy needed to say it. She didn't need someone to talk at her about it. And Willow needed to hear it from Buffy, too, not Giles. Consequences is something Willow struggles with. Especially with her conflict avoidant personality.
@@spamfilter32 I agree, Giles had to know that Willow's spell working after Angelus opened the portal was a possibility. I'm sure he at least suspected that it was the case, but he couldn't of known with 100% certainty. What he could be entirely sure of is that she needed to open up about exactly what happened. Buffy's behavior could've been the result of something that Giles couldn't have predicted & I think he was aware of that. Perhaps he didn't try a direct approach with Buffy for that reason as well as not wanting to push too hard. He knew she needed to talk, but he also knew that she had to be ready to talk as well. Forcing the issue might have caused her to shut down all together. ❤🧡💛💚💙💜
Mr. Trick. The vampire with style.
Awe Faith! Eliza Dushku blew up with this & went on to do True Calling & one of my personal favs Dollhouse.
I loved that character. Such a great foil to Buffy. Brilliant casting, great writing in her character development, and terrific acting.
@@nac.mac.feegle She will always be my favorite Slayer
Dollhouse is so underrated. I do wish Eliza had agreed to the spin-off but I understand why she didn’t. She was scared it wouldn’t live up to Buffy and Angel(crazy if you ask me), and Joss wouldn’t be able to be as involved as he was with those. He wanted to focus on his family apparently.
I've heard a theory that the longer a vampire lives, the more they resemble some animal. The Master was resembling a bat somewhat, Kakistos is getting close to a bull... and certain someone we see for a few seconds in the end of this episode starts turning into a hyppo.
That makes a lot of sense
Since a vampire is a demon using a human body, it makes sense that the longer they live the more the human elements start fading.
I love this episode. Giles getting Buffy to talk about what happened is one of my favorite moments. He doesn’t pressure her but gives her a reason to talk about it. He just handles it so well 💜
I keep wanting to comment on things in the discussion part but I can’t without spoilers!!
Oh, yeah, Giles did it really great.
That scene was excellent; the three best actors on the series, all doing great work. (I love how Alyson Hannigan runs through four separate reactions to "There is no spell" : "What?' then "Oh!" then "Giles is so cool!" and finally, "Oh, poor Buffy!")
Mr. Trick grabs the fast food worker through the drive-thru window.
Joe: I told you he was on the menu!
Me: GROAN! 😆😆
Mike: And he has that soda to wash him down with.
Me: GROANNNN! 🤣🤣🤣
You guys crack me up. 😄
It's been pointed out to me that the Happy Burger kid screwed Trick out of his 11¢ change. So no wonder he got eaten. Don't pilfer, kid!
@@Jessica_Roth 😄😆🤣 That's really funny!
"Xander, find a new theme."
Cordy was very not happy with Xander at that moment.
I think the most common understanding is that while Watchers can detect potential slayers, they aren't perfect and can miss some. So, Kendra was discovered early, and probably Faith too (it doesn't look like she was only slaying for a few months), but Buffy slipped through the cracks. I'm not sure if this was ever confirmed by the creators though.
i don't remember if this bit made it to film and i'll never watch the movie again, but whedon's script includes a bit where the watcher apologizes for having to rush buffy's training.
They mentioned in the first season that most slayers don’t make it past 16
The Watchers definitely have some form of divination around detecting Slayers. Kendra was identified as a potential Slayer when she was very young and so started her training from a young age, years before she was called. This divination though must not be perfect since we also know that Buffy was not found by her Watcher until she was called to be a Slayer in LA. From this we know there are a set of potential Slayers, and the Watchers have an imperfect divination that can detect these potential Slayers, but some slip through the cracks (Like Buffy who wasn't detected until after she was called). We also know it isn't random which potential Slayer gets called because Giles told Buffy, "There is a reason you are here, and a reason it is now!" Fate picks which Slayer is called based on some criteria about where a Slayer is needed. It also seems fate intercedes to put Slayers where they are needed (Buffy getting sick and going to the hospital to fight the Der Kinderstad).
Mikey: (about Principal Snyder) Why does he have a knife?
Me: That's a letter opener. (Heeeheeee.)
Edited to add: I forgot you're younger than me. Okay, so... a letter is this thing people used to send on paper, via the post office. This was before email and texting. 😉😄 J/k. You know I love you guys. 🤗
😭😭😭
"Why are there so many abandoned building there?"
Everyone *dies* there. Whaddya Mean!?"
Killed me, why did I never ask this question, let alone think about the answer! 🤷♀️🤦♀️😅
Spike killed two Slayers. Dru killed one. Angel has never killed a Slayer. Dru was not a potential Slayer.
Joe: "Why do I think this guy is evil?" 🤔
Because you think that literally *EVERYONE* is evil.
Everybody is evil *AND* everybody is a Cylon. 😅
TRUE
-Mikey
Another fun reaction and thank you for the entertaining thoughts and ideas for the future. Just a few things to help inwatching and understanding Buffy. All of your questions will be answered…. Just never on your timeline, never exactly how you expect it, and for part of a story that is unfolding.
Next. BTVS is told not like a regular series but like an epic novel. The first 12 episodes are like a prologue to the main story. It introduces the characters, the personalities, and actions to form the main protagonist c. Seasons 2 to 7 are the main story and is all connecting. But like an epic, the connections and main points are not fully understood because like life it’s not apparent immediately and can not be understood until the story is growing near its harvest time.
Always keep in mind the overall narrative is the journey for Buffy to become a strong, independent, free thinking, emotionally strong, confidently sexual person, that understands what real love is for herself and with another.
With all that the name of the show will tell you what each episode will have… Buffy( humor), The Vampire( Supernatural )Slayer( Action). That’s the fun part that keeps you watching like a novel that keeps you turning the page. You are fully on the Buffyverse now. Buckle up and I know you will enjoy the ride
Thank you for this
Well also essential in each episode: drama!
@@kypangoyi550 Yes
My head canon is that the lack of respect shown to Giles indicates that the watchers don’t get to choose the watcher who is actually assigned to the slayer, or it would be the most prestigious position.
I see them like academic types, with those at the bottom trying to get published, trying to get tenure. This puts a different slant on the first meeting with Buffy. That weird excitement. Maybe he thought he was getting vindication and finally the respect of his peers. Instead he got Buffy, an unprepared, unwilling, uncontrollable slayer that others expected to have such a short run his selection barely counted.
No, the Watchers expected Buffy to die soon. It was prophesied. They didn't respect Giles, so they sent a Watcher they didn't think much of to watch a Slayer they expected to die real soon. Save the Watchers they DO respect for the Slayers the think will last.
@@spamfilter32 I don't know that the Watchers knew about the prophecy of Buffy's death. (Remember, Angel had the book, not the Watchers.)
I think that as Buffy had already gotten one Watcher killed, they figured that it was too dangerous to be with her, so they figured they would dump this on Giles, who is only in the club because he's a third-generation legacy (as he mentions in "That Episode with Owen") and he's already disgraced himself by doing all that dark magic with Ethan (not to mention what else that group got up to…it was 5 guys and 1 Dierdre at their "orgies' after all.). So they were like "we're stuck with her until she drops…if she's going to get any more Watchers killed, why don't we start with the disposable one?"
@Jessica_Roth I generally agree with that last bit. Still, as for the 1st part, that one book was not the only one with the Prophecy listed. The Master had his own copy of the Prophecy. It is certainly possible that the Watchers had their own, too, that had been kept from Giles. If you know that the Slayer will die soon, you're not likely to tell the person you assign to watch and train the current Slayer.
It could also be that they expected her to die soon because she was one of those potential Slayers they missed until she was called. They may expect all such Slayers to die quickly due to not being trained by them from an early age. Sort of like how Jedi don't like to train people they don't find before they reach puberty. Kendra had a highly respected Watcher assigned to her, and she was trained since she was a little girl. It is likely they give top billed watchers to the youngest potential Slayers, and ones that get missed until called get the least respected Watchers.
If this is true, it seems likely that Buffy's first watcher was probably not thought highly of either.
@@spamfilter32 That's a good one. The job is so dangerous only the unpopular watchers get the assignment. The rest get to pour over their archives of old books and travel the world to investigate demonic hot spots. Go on retreats, attend fancy parties, hold secret-society meetings and all that.
@@Jessica_RothYeah I think his past as the ripper def made him an outcast, I believe that they don't like him or fully trust him either. I don't know if they contact the powers that be to make the decision because it was a perfect match in this case.
Vampires can drink and eat, but they don't need to.
The morning after this episode aired, I left the 732 (Neptune) for Los Angeles. I arrived on Saturday and moved into the room vacated by the pizza guy who got eaten.
That's not why the room was vacant. The pizza guy is actually RD Price, David Greenwalt's then assistant. He moved to a bigger place, and his old roommate needed a replacement
Eliza was 17 at this time, turning 18 in December 1998.
The band playing is Darling Violetta. I got to see them doing a little minitour of LA with four other bands, including Four Star Mary, the real band behind Oz' music. I became good frievds with the guitarist.
This is awesome! Did you work on the show?
@732ReviewCrew I had a reply. It died. Trying again.
I did not work on Buffy. I ended up as the writers' production assistant on a show that did not yet exist. For some reason, I believe the show was announced by The WB at the end of the S2 finale. Kind of undercut that episode.
Here you go, Mike.
BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER DEATHS:
( so far )
SE1:
Welcome to the Hellmouth
Chris Boal - Blood drained by Darla
Thomas - Staked by Buffy
The Harvest
Jesse McNally - Killed by the Order of Aurelius, turning him into a vampire.
Vamp Jesse McNally - Accidentally bumped onto Xander's stake by a girl, impaling him
Luke - Staked by Buffy
Teacher's Pet
Dr. Stephen Gregory - Head eaten by Natalie French
Claw - Staked by Buffy with a piece of a fence
Natalie French - Hacked to death by Buffy with a machete
Never Kill A Boy on the First Date
Collin's mother - Blood drained by the Order of Aurelius
Collin - Killed by the Order of Aurelius, and turned into a vampire (the Anointed One)
Andrew Borba - Incinerated in a furnace by Buffy
The Pack
Herbert the pig - Eaten by Xander, Kyle, Tor, Rhonda, and Heidi (possessed by hyena spirits)
Principal Flutie - Eaten by Kyle, Tor, Rhonda, and Heidi
Doctor Weirick - Eaten by his own hyenas
Angel
Zachary - Killed offscreen by Buffy
The Three - Each staked by Darla
Darla - Staked from behind by Angel with an arrow from Buffy's crossbow.
I Robot, You Jane
Carlo - Neck snapped by Moloch. (Flashback set in 1418)
David Kirby - Killed offscreen by Moloch
Fritz - Neck snapped by Moloch
Moloch - Electrocuted when Buffy tricked him into punching an electric power line while in a robot body
The Puppet Show
Emily Djemanowicz - Heart cut out by Marc
Morgan Shay - Brain cut out by Marc
Marc - Decapitated by Xander with a guillotine, then heart stabbed by Sid
Sid - Died as a result of killing Marc; Would have been returned to his human body, but his human body was dust by now
Prophecy Girl
Kevin Benedict - Killed by vampires
Buffy Summers - Bitten in the neck and drowned by the Master. She was revived when Xander gave her CPR
The Master - Thrown through a ceiling window and impaled on a broken piece of wood by Buffy.
SE2:
When She Was Bad
Tara (vampire) - Staked by Buffy
Walt - Staked by Buffy
Jane - Staked by Buffy
Ned - Staked by Angel
Bob - Staked by Buffy with the pointy end of a torch
Absalom - Set on fire by Buffy with a torch
Some Assembly Required
Stephan Korshak - Staked by Buffy with a broken shovel handle
Meredith Todd - Is mentioned to be killed in a car crash
Jake Atkins - Is mentioned to be killed in a car crash
Cathy Ryan - Is mentioned to be killed in a car crash
Daryl Epps - Incinerated himself in fire caused by gasoline igniting earlier
School Hard
Big Ugly - Staked by Buffy
Dwayne and Dell - Killed by Spike
Sheila Martini - Blood drained by Drusilla. She was later turned into a vampire
Brian Kirsh - Neck snapped by Spike
The Anointed One - Trapped in a cage by Spike and raised into sunlight
Inca Mummy Girl
Rodney Munson - Life force drained by the Inca Mummy
Ampata Gutierrez - Life force drained by the Inca Mummy
Bodyguard - Life force drained by the Inca Mummy
Inca Mummy - Thrown and shattered to pieces by Buffy
Reptile Boy
Brittany Oswald - Eaten offscreen by Machida
Kelly Percell - Eaten offscreen by Machida
Machida - Killed when Buffy cut off his tail
Halloween
Willow Rosenberg - Suffocated to become a ghost under Ethan's spell. She was revived when the spell was reversed.
Lie to Me
Billy Ford - Blood sucked offscreen by Spike. Afterwards he was turned into a vampire
Vamp Billy Ford - Staked by Buffy
The Dark Age
Randall - Killed and possessed by Eyghon. (Set in flashback)
Thomas Sutcliffe - Is mentioned to be killed and possessed by Eyghon
Diedre Page - Killed and possessed by Eyghon
Philip Henry - Killed and possessed by Eyghon
Eyghon the Sleepwalker - Tried to possess Angel, but was overpowered by him fighting for control of his body
What's My Line, Part 1
Mrs. Kalish - Killed by Norman Pfister
Octarus - Kicked in the throat by Buffy while wearing skates, slitting his throat
What's My Line, Part 2
Norman Pfister - Killed when Xander and Cordelia stomped on him in worm form
Patrice - Knocked out by Kendra, and presumably burned to death when Spike set the room on fire
Ted
Ted Buchanan - Beaten to death/deactivated by Buffy hitting him in the head with a frying pan
Bad Eggs
Tector Gorch - Eaten by the Mother Bezoar
Mother Bezoar - Killed from the inside by Buffy with a pickaxe
Surprise
Dalton - Incinerated by the Judge with his power, due to having humanity from his love for reading
Innocence
Enyos Kalderash - Killed by Angelus
The Judge - Blown to pieces by Buffy with a rocket launcher
Phases
Theresa Klusmeyer - Blood drained by Angelus. She was turned into a vampire afterwards.
Vamp Theresa - Staked by Xander
Passion
Dragon's Cove Owner - Killed by Drusilla
Jenny Calendar - Neck snapped by Angelus
Killed by Death
Celia - Life force sucked out by Der Kindestod. (Shown in flashback)
Tina - Life force sucked out offscreen by Der Kindestod.
Dr. Stanley Backer - Slashed by Der Kindestod with his claws
Der Kindestod - Neck snapped by Buffy
I Only Have Eyes For You
Ellen Frank - Shot by George
Grace Newman - Shot by James Stanley
James Stanley - Shot himself
Go Fish
Nurse Greenliegh - Eaten by Gill Monsters
Coach Marin - Eaten by Gill Monsters
Becoming, Part One
Angel/Liam - Blood drained by Darla, and was turned into a vampire afterwards. (Shown in flashback)
Doug Perren - Blood sucked by Drusilla
Kendra - Throat slit by Drusilla
SE3:
Anne
Rickie Thomas - Drank drain cleaner
Aaron - Bludgeoned by a demon slave driver
Andrew Hoelich - Accidentally pushed by Cordelia onto a stake in Xander's hand
Ken - Hit in the head by Buffy with a mace
Dead Man's Party
Pat - Killed by a zombie
Ovu Mobani - Impaled in the eyes by Buffy with a shovel
Faith, Hope & Trick
Happy Burger employee - Blood sucked by Mr. Trick
Disco Dave - Staked by Faith
Pizza delivery guy - Blood sucked by Mr. Trick
Kakistos - Impaled by Faith with a long, sharp plank of wood
Wow thank you
@@732ReviewCrew You are very welcome.
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Great list and I hope you update it (maybe after each season?).
Will you please check David Kirby? I thought he was killed offscreen by Fritz (egged on by Moloch)?
You know what, after this, we don't really know how old Angel is. He was in hell suffering in a different dimension. It could have been for 3 or 4 hundred years or something along those lines. So that adds an untold amount of experience and age to his character. That we don't know.
"What does the mayor have to do with anything?!" 😅😂
There is a prequel comic book (the canon version of the movie) where if I remember correctly the guy that says hey you are a slayer in LA also says between lines oops we should have know and have prepared you beforehand but for whatever reason she went of their radar.
Remember a couple of things we learned In Becoming. Whistler brought Angel to California where he became obsessed with Buffy and changed his life. Whistler tells Buffy that he thought he brought Angel to Sunnydale to be his big day. Then he says that he didn’t see her coming. Then the thought process is that Buffy was supposed to die(Prophecy) but Buffy did not follow the Slayer protocols. Having her friends allowed Xander to give CPR , something Angel could not have done. There really was no need to have extensive training because she was to die.
Regarding vampires being invited in - they can come into hotel/motel rooms without invitation. Without being too spoilery there seems to be a grey area around this as they can come into frat houses uninvited (as seen in season 2 Reptile Boy) but not into personal bedrooms in college dorms.
Yay! Welcome, Faith! and welcome back, Angel! That's such a fun episode.
Buffy references the movie "Single White Female", which was somewhat popular. You can google it if you don't plan on watching it.
I also wonder how Giles was assigned to Buffy. Cause usually, the watchers are training these girls before they are "Called", but Buffy already had a watcher, who died, so when they chose Giles, they were sure he'd be in charge of the slayer. If you watch the Buffy movie, just remember, the lore is not the same as in the show.
To be fair to Xander, I know guys who are 40 and they still act like that, so at 17 seems more forgivable XD
Considering how often they debate on whether there will be a new slayer or not, I was curious what their reaction would be.
I'm not a big fan of Willow trying to force Buffy into the dating life just because she thinks Buffy should. Buffy will when she's ready. I feel like Buffy only asks him out at the end because people have made her feel smaller by thinking she needs to date when she doesn't whether Angel was in the picture or not. But since he was, and with all Buffy went through, Willow should let Buffy take it at her own pace. And concerning the excuse of not knowing what happens during _Becoming,_ Willow and Xander and Giles still know what Buffy's been through emotionally with Angel and Angelus before that, so trying to set her up through even imitating Faith's line/nickname for Buffy always bugged me. The jealousy moment Buffy has around that time as Willow tries to quote Faith only proves Buffy isn't ready when Scott tries to give her a Claughdah ring. At the end after she opens up, she may have started the healing process, but it's still too soon for dating.
Vampire can consume human food, it just doesn't sustain their bodies. Blood does.
The group seems back to form, but the issues are just below the surface, being covered up by what seems to be the group back to normal. Yelling at each other didn't really fix anything. It just put all the issues on the table. Said issues still need delt with. The real question is will they get delt with or go back to being bottled up. With Angel back that is going to be a test.
Mikey and Mike: "That happened?" and "How?" They explained he was an old vampire. That's what happens when vampires get old. I take it as the equivelant to humans getting wrinkles, age spot, etc. While The Master's name and age aren't mentioned in-universe, the script says about both that he was, _Heinrich Joseph Nest, roughly 600 years old._ This potentially makes Kakistos older than The Master. The Master had a permanant vampire face. Kakistos has a permanant vampire face, cloven hooves, and had such thick skin a standard stake wouldn't do.
Unless Faith considered the motel her home, vampires have access. Plus, she was leaving, even if vampires needed an invite, the second she made the decicion to leave, it would be free reign for vampires. But, I'm a subscriber to the first theory over the second one.
The best way to explain why Buffy is a better slayer is explained when Spike says, "A slayer with family and friends. That sure as hell wasn't in the brochure." Combined with not having been raised to do it and therefore having more personality to her skills, as she states to Kendra, is why she's lasted so long and beat many old vampires. Spike saying the above line made him the first in the series to acknowledge to that point that it was good fior Buffy to not fight alone, even though Spike considered it bad.
Mikey: Limo?
Joe: That's how you could tell a character was evil in the 90's.
Me: 🤣🤣
P.S. Fun fact -- I once saw a Chicago production of Wicked, and a voice on stage seemed so familiar to me, I couldn't figure out why. And then all of a sudden I realized -- it's the actor who plays Mr. Trick! (The guy from the limo, lol) What are the odds? Kind of randomly fun and unexpected.
That's crazy I saw the Broadway production of wicked and I didn't get that
Yesss one of my favourite characters is here.
Willow is kind of annoying in this episode, she has good intentions but stop trying to push Buffy into dating when she's clearly not ready
Well, you have to understand also that California is about as far away from England as you can possibly get. I mean, maybe there's a few locations more remote as far as the relationship between England and California. But that changes the dynamic. It's not convenient to travel from their base, which is based in England. All watches. are English by the way. That's a big factor as to why the influence of the council isn't more prevalent.
Mikey is exactly right. Xander was being written as a hero last season, and now they're making him a clown.
(The contemporary fan critic David Hines noted that David Greenwalt [writer] uese the same plot device to make us feel sorry for Buffy in this episode as Greenwalt used in his last script, "Ted". Once again, Buffy's friends are all fawning over the new character and ignoring her and gossiping behind her back, and poor sad Buffy gets to pout.
The difference is that in "Ted", Xander was being drugged. [And Willow was still pretty loyal after Act I]. I don't mind Joyce being so awful that she insults Buffy right in front of Buffy's face ["Buffy can be awfully negative"] because the show has already established that Joyce is a pretty crappy parent. But Willow and Xander are better than that, so it would be nice if Greenwalt wouldn't use this cheap device.)
Of course, there's a reason for that, The show's primary fandom was a bunch of rabid Buffy/Angel 'shippers, who HATED Xander for the "kick his ass" fib in 2.22 and somehow blamed HIM for Angel going to Hell. (How knowing that Willow was trying to resoul Angel would have helped Buffy avoid what she had to do is not explained, but who needs logic when you have a scapegoat?") A vast amount of the Buffy/Angel fans wanted *Xander* sent to Hell, at this point.
So all of a sudden, Xander is treated like a comedy supporting character, and isn't even in the episode after the middle of Act II. Come in halfway through the episode, and you don't even see Xander once. (Or Cordelia or Oz, but they're less-prominent characters, IMO.)
I mean, seriously, why should Xander cut off Buffy's telling the rocket-launcher story? That's XANDER's story! Xander thought up the plan, Xander pulled off the heist (even though he had to ask Willow to recruit Oz, which was VERY awkward, you'll recall) and Xander showed Buffy how to work the damn thing. It's literally a "Xander saves the whole WORLD!" story, perfect for impressing sexy new Slayers. But instead Greenwalt has Xander act annoying so we can be sad for Buffy. Shove it, Buffy. Shove it, Greenwalt. Boo.
All that said, I actually love this episode. Dushku is sexy, the words in the "Angel was cured" scene are nearly poetry, and there are some great jokes, such as "You really do need to find the fun, B-" (Buffy gives Willow a LOOK OF DEATH) "-uffy." or W/X giving Faith the tour. Just a couple of minor complaints, honestly.
Like…I'm all for innuendo (Buffy thinking that Willow is suggesting *fellatio* as an icebreaker is hilarious! Mind out of the gutter, Buff!) but as I wrote before, until Buffy starts sneaking into the stacks to snog Cordelia, "lesbian subtext" like "You hungry?" "Starving" feels tacky and exploitative. JMO.
When the subtext was 1st pointed out by fans, Whedon denied it. It wasn't until after he reviewed the scenes in question that he realized it was true. In interviews, the writers said that the lines weren't written as subtext , but it's how Eliza read them & no one thought to correct her. I firmly believe the double entendre was intentional, in this particular case, just for laughs & in recognition of their current state of arousal -- which could just as easily be interpreted as wanting to have someone of the male persuasion, a little alone time, or a cold shower.
Honestly, I think Eliza got it right. It suits Faith's character. Faith isn't simply sexy, she oozes sensuality. She's very comfortable in her own skin & I can easily see her being in touch with her desires (even unconventional ones). Sexuality isn't black & white. And neither is Faith. I think Eliza did a very good job embodying Faith's character. ❤🧡💛💚💙💜
Buffy has been killing all of these "legendary" vampires because Buffy is the only Slayer with a support group.
True without Xander Buffy would have just been another slayer who died at 16 with the prophecy of her dying to The Master being the end of her story.
@@lance9249 She even needed Xander's help to shut the steel door and climb out of the manhole cover in the beginning. However, she might not have even been in that situation had Xander not been there.
So the name Angel was born with was Liam. Angelus is who he became as a Vampire.
As a side note Liam is the Irish version of the English name William
Spike's human name was also William.
So essentially the show has two important vampire characters named William i always found that interesting about those 2 and wondered if anyone else noticed.
😂 update andthis could be a spoiler
I just looked up what the name William means and it means Resolute protector 😂😂
When writers put thought into naming a character they usually opt for either descriptive or ironic meanings. Considering both Liam & William as humans, then as vampires; the whole soul/no soul thing... the meaning really flips around based on circumstances. ❤🧡💛💚💙💜
@@becca1189 I know that's why I looked it up. I just wonder how much of it was coincidence and how much was planned because Spike was supposed to die after a handful of episodes so it's not like they had full season or multiple season plans when they created the character
The mention of Buffy and the prophecy with the Master and that she was destined to die happened. The difference between the other slayers and Buffy was she has friends that were able to bring her back, remember Kendra mentioned they are cut off from friends and family. That is the reason slayers die very young, they don't have help.
Faith Hope & Trick a pivotal episode with the introduction of Faith many fans absolute favourite from the entire Buffyverse. Some great scenes in this when Faith says 'don't you find slaying makes you really hungry and horny' and all the Scoobies turn to face Buffy. Faith is of course totally different to Buffy in being outgoing and streetwise and sexually overt, and we can see Buffy's jealously in the gang engrossed with Faith's stories. The Mayor is was mentioned first in S2, but we had not seen to this point. We see Faith's propensity for pure violence when needlessly pummelling the vampire when Buffy needed help, it seems trait of her character. At the end we see Buffy place The Claddagh Ring on the spot Angel was killed, and he is restored from Hell. It only gets better and better from here, this is a great Season.
"You really need to find the fun B...uffy." cracks me up every time!!!
Angel, having his soul back and being in hell was one thing, but in the first episode of the season, we learned that time moves differently in other (hellish) dimensions.
Note that Faith specifically said her dead mother was hitting harder than that vamp. Right after the vamp punched her. Could be just a typical slayer's quip, but I wonder if she used to be regularly beaten by her mother.
OK, I'm getting into a fanfic territory now, with abused Faith, saved by her watcher, to whom she becomes very close... Pretty sure somebody had written something like that already.
She said her dead mother hits harder which did insinuate she was hit by her mother.
There's so many abandoned buildings because of all the deaths. Its also why real-estate is so affordable, as Xander said in season 1. The only other Cordelia I'm aware of is from a show from the 60s called The Baron.
Lmao to the "everybody dies there."
Sunnydale is so small it only has one Starbucks, but canonically, there are 43 churches and 12 cemeteries in the city limits.
Buffy has whooped more vampires than previous slayers because she has friends and family. As Spike said: "A slayer with family and friends. That sure as hell wasn't in the brochure."
So... Giles was selected as a replacement Watcher because in canon, her original Watcher DIED in the incident prior to the series.
The Council decided that Giles was the best option as he knew his stuff but given his Ripper background, was seen as an acceptable loss on this reckless and undisciplined Slayer.
Also... the man's ability to take head trauma is Legendary! 😂
I had such a crush on Eliza Dushku my ex wouldn’t let me watch anything with her in, after we split I discovered the new guy and my mind was blown 😂
Because Willow and Mom called her out in public and that's not cool doesn't make it a bad episode.
Along about the end of season 2 is a good time to watch the movie where you get a little explanation on why Buffy has family and friend connections, and the other upcoming slayers-in-training, like Kendra, do not.
The movie is non-canon in the series, so, nothing it “explains” applies here.
Angel's name was Liam as a human in the 1700's before he became a vampire. He at some pt started going by Angel/Angelus (Latin of Angel). It seems some vampires rename themselves after their vampire rebirth, which makes sense as they aren't exactly the same person as they were. Maybe The Master called him Angelus as he is a much older vampire.
Latin was more common back then to anyone who went to church.
*SPOILERS*
You may want to (re)watch Angel S1E15 "The Prodigal". It mentions why he took the name Angelus (his sister thought that he had returned to her as an angel -- which is why she also invited him in). He changed it to Angel sometime after the Kalderash cursed him. ❤🧡💛💚💙💜
"Zero soda" is better than "diet soda"...
You insulted my Coke Zero with its essential 12 artificial sweeteners.
Please tell me why you're putting down Principal Quark.
Yo Mikey, stop calling Angelus, Angeles.
Mikey stop with all the conspiracy theories you're making my head hurt. You know this isn't X-Files.
Why not watch the Buffy the Vampire Slayer (1992) movie?
The fault was Xander intentionally not telling Buffy that Willow was trying to restore Angle's soul.
Just like season 2, episode 3 introduces critical new characters.
Watchers will all share information about all encounters in order to document for future reference. Knowledge is power😎
Another fun reaction and thank you for the entertaining thoughts and ideas for the future. Just a few things to help in watching and understanding Buffy. All of your questions will be answered…. Just never on your timeline, never exactly how you expect it, and for part of a story that is unfolding.
Next. BTVS is told not like a regular series but like an epic novel. The first 12 episodes are like a prologue to the main story. It introduces the characters, the personalities, and actions to form the main protagonist c. Seasons 2 to 7 are the main story and is all connecting. But like an epic, the connections and main points are not fully understood because like life it’s not apparent immediately and can not be understood until the story is growing near its harvest time.
Always keep in mind the overall narrative is the journey for Buffy to become a strong, independent, free thinking, emotionally strong, confidently sexual person, that
I always just assumed it was the power of Buffy's love that pulled Angel out of Hell. After all, it was the place of the ring that he appeared. Angel is there, and the ring is gone. It was the sacrifice to bring him back.
That's an interesting way to look at it. Maybe her letting him go was what allowed his suffering to stop and for him to be released.
That's literally not the reason why.
@antra21 that's like, your opinion, man.
@@spamfilter32 it's not an opinion. I'm not going to spoil the show (since they're still watching) but if you watch and LISTEN to both shows, you'll know why he was bought back.
It has nothing to do with love or a ring, that's just symbolic.
@@spamfilter32 There's actually an explanation in a later episode, though on first viewing I missed it.
I definitely get Joe’s comment about Willow at the end.
The watchers council usually has methods of detecting "potential slayers" (girls who are maybe destined to become the slayer in the future), the council finds the girls, convince the parents to give them up, and then raise them train them and indoctrinate them.
Buffy is an anomaly because she wasn't detected in time, she became the slayer before they found out and therefore they didn't have the time to train her (and indoctrinate her)
Rupert Giles is a different sort of anomaly.
Watchers are supposed to be extremely obedient, manipulative, and useless.
However a child's is rebellious, resourceful, honest, involved, empathetic, and to type it all off a wizard.
Rupert Giles definitely doesn't fit the mould of what a watcher is supposed to be.
He wasn't supposed to even have a slayer just monitor the helmet.
Buffy's first watcher dies in the movie and after the events of the movie her mum decides to take a job in Sunnydale.
The union between Buffy and Giles is the last thing that the watchers council would have wanted.
Instead of manipulating Buffy into fulfilling her role Giles actually cares for her and listens to her concerns her wants and her needs.
All of that is the reason that Rupert is mostly the black sheep of the family as far as to watchers are concerned.
Voice to text or autocorrect? I think where have "a child's" that is supposed to be "Giles", right?
And by "helmet" you mean "Hellmouth"?
Faith is love ❤️
What is Joe on about? Willow SAYS she's sorry, and she looks grief-and-guilt-struck as anything.
Re: Willow possibly feeling guilty at causing Buffy to kill Angel rather than Angelus -- Remember that Willow asked Xander to tell Buffy she was trying the spell, and he deliberately didn't tell her. IMO, he didn't want Buffy to hold back in hopes of a cure, and possibly get herself killed. But that gives him some potential guilt as well; maybe if Buffy had known she could have handled things differently, maybe delayed the portal opening somehow.
Thanks guys, good reaction & discussion.
My theory also is that the watchers who “work in the field” are treated with less respect because that’s often the way it works in bureaucratic society. The higher ups are usually out of touch with the reality in the field, and they tend to pay less and value less those who are in the field. It’s also about control… which we see more in coming seasons.
There are dozens of Watchers worldwide who "watch" for potential Slayers and can be available to train.
True example Kendra who was found as a possible potential as a child
Two things:
1. Buffy is our link into the Slayer-verse and as we all know she did not look at the manual, so all the information will come, when she needs it..... sorry, that is just how it works
2. My head-canon is that the "Watcher's Council" knew about the Prophecy and the Death of the Slayer at the hands of the Master, but Kendra was trained for a while and Buffy was talked to for the first time after she had been gifted the "Slayer" They thought Buffy would be dead and they would have control over a Slayer they had groomed for service, not one, that had slipped through the cracks and did things her own way./
I think the writers didn't know how to make Xander evolve. They wanted to keep the wit/humor and keep him 'normal' (they already have a werewolf and a fledging witch, plus several slayers and possibly a friendly vampire back; they needed to keep some of the cast without power), but they are always hitting that one note and it's kind of annoying. (Whedon did a better job with Jayne in one season of Firefly than in now 3 seasons of Buffy., but granted he was a more mature writer by that time)
Good comparison with Jayne!
Time to watch Firefly again
@@732ReviewCrew I've never seen a reaction channel do a rewatch before. It might be worth considering recording a rewatch of Firefly in 6 or 8 months.
It's a short series and you guys can feel free to talk more during the episodes since you don't need to worry about missing something important.
Plus comments wont need to worry about spoilers and can talk about how 'this thing sets up that thing in the future'.
@PromptCriticalJello is definitely a possibility! I was gonna join some new faces including Eddie for it but that's an option
Xander was a teenager, most of the characters are teenagers.
Even tho we have the stereotypes, the characters need to feel like their age to be more realistic.
Xander acts like a lot of 17 year boys, and he will say dumb and problematic stuff... because that's what most boys with his age says.
And whatever the case may be (hating or loving Xander), his behavior is more understandble throughout the show.
Re: Xander -- Joss Whedon has commented that Xander is basically a representation of Whedon himself. So.... that explains a kit.
Willow must be as well she did the pretty much the same thing to Xander in Nightmares
Fun fact, you can't kill a vampire with a sword to the heart.
"Nothing of importance happens in this episode"- Lol, Joe!
And I felt exactly the same way about Faith/Eliza Dushku.
Back in the day I really don’t recall any bad talk about the prior episode. So much of this I feel is mostly just driven by modern internet fandom pages and the words of a few earlier on and much if this whole world along with a lot of stuff on the internet in general doesn’t necessarily match the real world all that well and generally tends to be vastly more negative.
Since you guys are watching all my late teen shows, if you get the chance & can find it PLEASE react to Jessica Albas, Dark Angel! 2 seasons, 43 episodes. It was so good! It has action, scifi/fantasy ish, mystery & much more. 😃
We can look into it for you absolutely :). Our schedule is packed currently but for the future
@@732ReviewCrew ofcourse! Much appriciated!!
& as written may not be an easy find but I do think you guys would really enjoy it! Think Dr Marou meets In a dystopian near-future Seattle with gorgeous Jessica as the main lol :D
Yeah, a realy great show
After Firefly, Buffy, and Angel, I think it makes a lot of sense to try Dollhouse.
@@migmit would definitely tune in for Dollhouse aswell
"My dead mother hits harder than that." Couple that with Faith's over kill fighting style, she was abused by her mother (and her mother's lovers) before she got her Slayer powers. That wasn't just a saying she was saying.
3:51 Yes Mike! great question!
Sugar I know what it does, but some of these sweetners are new enough that we don't know what effect it has on the body, I'll stick to my regular Coke thank you.
"all of these legendary vampires just come to sunnydale and get murdered by buffy" yeah, hubris is a hell of a drug. Vamps have massive fucking ego because "they're different/better/smarter/etc" compared to whoever got their ass dusted
It seems clear to me that the Watchers Council does not think much of Giles. Giles was not Buffy's first Watcher, and so he was never intended to be her watcher. Then we know that Buffy was fated to die fighting the Master. It seems likely that the Watchers Council knew this, and so knew that Buffy wasn't supposed to be a Slayer for very long, so they sent what they thought of as an unimpressive Watcher, why waste the talent when a new Slayer will be called soon, and you can give the real "stud" watcher to that Slayer?
10:43 Willow does not raise her hand.
Coke Zero is my beverage of choice.
Hell is damn lucky that it was Angel that went to hell and not Angelus. He would have ended up owning the place!
Mikey really does steamroll Mike during the reviews. I really wanna hear more from Mike he has really good theories.
I try hard not to laugh when Reactors attempt to apply modern social mores to shows written by and for earlier generations when the mores were different.
You know when Spike and Dru turned up and the show got infinitely better? Well, it's happened again with this episode.
Vampires can eat regular food it just does not noursih them like blood does.
Who told Mikey that vampires can't eat food?
I can't remember the TV show I watched but vampires couldn't eat human food, they would throw it up
@@732ReviewCrewVampire lore (or any fantastical creature lore) can not be transported from one movie, book, show or Universe to another. The rules of the lore is made up as needed for that specific show (,book, movie or Universe). There are no general vampire rules/lore. You can not import lore from another Universe into any other vampire show, book or movie - it is made up to suit the story and doesn’t necessarily fit or suit what the writer(s) needed in another show. Twilight vampires sparkle in sunshine and Buffy vampires don’t.
i had to stop drinking sodas for a min, highly addicted to them was drinking 2x12 packs a day. i tricked my brain by switching to ginger ale lol not the same, but my brain all "YAY FIZZLES" and ignore the fact it didnt have the caffeine in it haha
kinda slipped back into drink it tho, so i would say right now dr pepper, but more so the strawberry and cream flavor combo. outside of that i go for rootbeer or orange cheap brands haha. as for the zero meh tastes like syrup to. also the diet in diet soda is not related to weight at all lol in fact those are worse for you, specially if you have diabetes. its loaded with carconigens (misspelled) which are very bad for you...
"i like willow the lil witch" dont we all lol team willow for all time
the cloven foot thing is in allot of lore, remember they call these vamps "demons" so as the evil corrupts them over time they evolve/devolve into more demonic forms.i its fun lore, games like legacy of kain also does this.
haha the name thing, yea i got it bad myself, no is ever named john... lol
Dr Pepper cream soda is King
If you quit drinking soda long enough you may become like me who now finds it all gross all I taste is the corn syrup now so nasty.
I love season 3 🥲
There isn't a Best season of Buffy, because there's just too much good.
But i think i can say that season 3 is the Funnest season.
SPOILERS FOR ALL SEASONS OF BOTH SHOWS AND COMICS!!! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!
It's interesting to hear Faith's line about Giles' looks in this episode when you take the comics into account. Giles' adult mind is in his tween body and all he can do is stare at Fath's chest, which makes Faith uncomfortable. It outs what Giles was like pre-Ripper days and shows how much character development Faith has gone through. I love the comics as the largest underlying theme is all the characters dealing with the issues they never do one the show. All the character development that either doesn't happen on the show or only just starts beginning in S7 is the whole point, thematically to the comics.
Reminder, the movie isn't canon to the show. If you're expecting insight on Buffy, the TV character, from the movie, you're setting yourself up for disappointment and confusion.
The TV show is a reboot. They kept the titular character and some of the basic concepts but revamped the lore and the events.
Joss didn't have complete creative control over the movie. He was dealing with a director who didn't share his exact vision for the movie and an actor who insisted on writing his own lines and couldn't take direction. The movie that got made and the one Joss originally scripted are substantially different. So much so that Joss absolutely hates the movie.
Reccommend: Wait until after you complete Buffy, the series, to watch the movie. Then you can do a proper compare and contrast between the movie and the series.
Scott Hope is a misdirect. We are supposed to think he is the "hope" being referred to in the title, but actually Angel is the *hope* being referred to.
That would only make sense if the faith and trick were also intended to be taken metaphorically. There are three characters named Faith, Hope, and Trick. Sometimes it's just easy like that.
@fabianhebestreit3240 I mean, they do work that way, too.
You guys have some interesting ideas, and all I can say is that some of them are not coming true.
Watch the movie. Watch the movie. The sooner the better. It’s already late. But at least pre episode 5 of this season is another extra good point get it done by. Don’t keep waiting.
For the algorithm because everything i want to say is a spoiler.
Same 😂
I catch myself almost saying a spoiler so often then I'm like nope won't be talking about that.
@@lance9249 I don't mind burying a spoiler under a warning when I'm replying to someone else's comment, but i don't like doing that on an original comment.
That just feels like poking the guys and saying 'neener neener neener, you can't read this'.
coke zero is beneath anyone from the underworld
I think it tastes closest to Diet Pepsi which is my favorite.
Buffy is not THE slayer, she is A slayer. At the start of the show, Buffy was THE slayer. When Buffy died in the S1 finale, Kendra was called and the slayer line was passed onto her. Buffy was revived, so she is an anomaly, but she is no longer THE slayer. The slayer line was flowing through Kendra and when she died Faith was activated. The slayer line now flows through Faith. If Faith were to die, a new slayer would be called. Buffy is now the extra. She’s not part of the slayer line anymore. She should be dead. If she were to die, a new slayer would not be activated. While Buffy is the most successful slayer, her existence doesn’t matter when it comes to the traditional slayer line. Also, Buffy is the most successful slayer because she has friends and family that support her and fight with her. All other slayers have fought alone. Buffy is also the only slayer to have an incredibly hands on watcher. All other slayers had watchers that were hands off and would send their slayers on missions and expect them to return when it was complete, like we saw with Kendra. In only a couple short years, Buffy has redefined what it is to be a slayer. Giles saw that would be the case when he met her and that is why he didn’t push the slayer handbook on her as referenced in the What’s My Line? S2 episodes in his conversation with Kendra. If Buffy has changed the game this much already, the possibilities for which she can continue to be influential are endless.
Do we know for a fact that a new slayer wouldn't be called if Buffy were to die a natural death?
@@visarr Yes, we do.
Re: episode 3x2 -- I got a kick out of "Dead Man's Party" when I first saw it. I thought and still think that the only reason everyone started venting at the party is that the mask was bringing buried feelings to life, and that none of them would have behaved like that in normal circumstances. For most of the episode, they were trying NOT to express their negative feelings, to a point where they were avoiding Buffy. As Xander says just before the venting starts, "You can't just bury stuff, Buffy. It'll come right back up to get you."
The volume of the show is really low.
it's a necessity to avoid copyright strikes, a lot of reactors do it
What does the major have anything to do with with it ……spoiler s
for being 16, Faith is pretty promiscuous lol
So were most of the girls in my high school...
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Oy vey! What's going on with your mics?? Eeck!
Huh link a timestamp so I can investigate
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Sorry, I'm not sure of the time stamp, but it happened most of the time you guys were talking - not actually during show playback, and especially during the after-show reaction. It seemed like a slow drumming early on, then as you got more excited and louder, it got worse. I'm surprised no one else has mentioned it, or that you didn't notice it during editing. At first, I thought it was music you all had in the background (because it seemed like drumming), but later, I realized it wasn't. I really don't know anything about mics, but I thought perhaps their volume might be set too high. I should mention I was listening with earphones on, so perhaps that had something to do with it. Maybe it's just that I'm crazy, though, since you didn't hear it in editing and no one else has mentioned it.
@@naynay3710 No, I can hear it as well and I'm watching with headphones too. At 34:40 to 35:10 for example it's really prominent.