Really loving the Interview Videos!! Hats of to all those guys. I started out as an Electrical apprentice back in 1978 though to to 1981 but was made redundant in year 3 but was lucky enough to get a job with BT and switched to a Telecoms Apprenticeship with them. I have had a very successful career in IT and Telecoms moved into Management (continued my studies BSc Honours Degree and MBA with the OU). But I have always enjoyed being on the tools! I have done a fair bit with electrical work over the years and dabbled in property development. I recently decided that I wanted to move back into the Electrical Industry after I was made redundant at the beginning of the Covid outbreak last year and booked myself on a Domestic installer course (4 weeks) Loved every minute of it! But!!! There is No Way!! that anyone would be able to sit that course and be a competent Electrician at the end of it (unless they had previous experience). When I did my training as an Apprentice, I was working with timed served JIB Electricians and Jobbing Electricians in a predominantly Commercial environments, (Banks, Hotels, Restaurants, sound studios etc working with Conduit, trunking, Pyro, 3 Phase, Motors, generators etc). So got a great introduction to the industry. There needs to be a way for adult entrants to be able to join the industry and become fully qualified. The Domestic Installer courses are great and have there place but should be part of an accredited process. On my OU Degree you could count previous training and qualifications! towards the initial entry level/Foundation course, which is were I see the Domestic Installer courses sitting.
Apparently domestic sector is saturated ether by qualified electricians or those who are not. The shortage seems to be in industrial sector on large construction sites.
That is not what the industry is leading us to believe, yet I would agree with you to a large extent. However, the electrical industry makes more money from Part P registration than anything else
@@Pure_electrical_training I can't back my statement with any evidence. It is only a conclusion from speaking to others on diploma course. Some say that the youngest sparks in construction sites are 40 yr upwards.
I’ve been following this series very closely because I’m in a similar boat. However, I have found that the it’s very hard to get into the electrical industry because it’s such a closed shop! Electricians are happy to get an apprentice who’s under 25 because they can pay them peanuts and know that they will be with them for at least 10years before moving on. However, if they get a mature candidate, they know the apprentice will only stay on maybe 5years (if they are slow). Most mature students catch things quickly and learn much better than a young apprentice lacking real world experience. Essentially, the electricians don’t want to train what they consider to be their competition. I’m not putting all electricians in this category, but not many willing to take a mature student as their apprentice or willing to give them experience. I think there should be more courses catered towards mature students where they are thought practical skills. I myself personally can’t do a apprenticeship as I have a full time job and a mortgage to pay. Surely there should be a route for people who needs to do this part time?
There is, it’s called the diploma route and you can see it here. www.electricalcareers.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/TESP-England-Route-3-Self-Funded.pdf
Gayan - Your point regarding Electricians not wanting to train the competition is so on point! I have had two separate Electricians do work (different projects) in my house within the past 1-2 and when chatting I have mentioned about retraining and saving for the course fees etc. Both have said without hesitation that the industry is saturated with Electricians etc etc. I didn't know how to process that at the time, because surely there is more than enough work to go around ... and you always need fresh blood in any industry to replace leavers ans retirees.
I have applied for gas engineer apprenticeship with fortem they are a housing property services company got my final interview in June and applied for homeserve as well
I'd be interested to know if there is a way to become a decent sparky, within the Domestic Intallation area, without doing an apprenticeship, given that they are hard to come by or impossible to do if you are an adult... There are a lot of people in the comments that want to re-skill or change career but there doesn't seem to be a good way to do it? From what I heard here, doing level 2 (by college course or intensive training course) and then trying to get job as a 'mate' to gain experience while continuing to do level 3 at college is the only way to go?
It depends what you want. There are many people who do the level 2 and 3 course and simply cannot find employment or experience. At least with an apprenticeship you have a job from the start and gain experience as you go. This means that if you lose your job you are more employable.
@@Pure_electrical_training In my case I don't really want an apprenticeship. I can see why that make total sense for a school leaver. I did one back in the day. What are the options for 40+ age people?
@@Pure_electrical_training Yeah i applied for an Apprenticeship and for college - college for Level 2 said my Level 2 Maths and Level 3 English are fine, but the apprenticeship route (if an employer takes me on) means i'd have to do an extra maths module alongside it which would be fine.
The maths isn’t to the same level as GCSE and to be fair, may even help you with the science and principles which is maths heavy. The diploma route don’t care what your level is, as the end result is not their problem. With an apprenticeship you are supposedly guaranteed a level of competence and there is more pressure to see you all the way through The idea is there, but it falls down if you get a less ethical college, or a useless tutor
@@Pure_electrical_training I'm doing the diploma route and if you've not got the maths or English you have to do them alongside. Maybe the rules have changed or something, but i only have to do 2 days a week and can go straight to level 2 whereas those who don't have have maths and English already have to do 4 days a week to catch up on them.
I want a career change and want to become a gas engineer. I am going to take the apprenticeship route I am 32 years old now. I have always worked in warehouses and factory work working as a machine operator like I am now. I have come to the stage this is not what I want to do as a career for the rest of my life. I work 3 shifts and the money is good I don’t hate the job or the place but I want a new challenge and I hate night shifts do 12 hour shifts sometimes as well I don’t mind taking a pay cut as i have lots of money saved as I have always worked and I still live with my parents and have no intention of leaving anytime soon. I want to go back to education and studying to improve my career prospects
Really loving the Interview Videos!! Hats of to all those guys.
I started out as an Electrical apprentice back in 1978 though to to 1981 but was made redundant in year 3 but was lucky enough to get a job with BT and switched to a Telecoms Apprenticeship with them. I have had a very successful career in IT and Telecoms moved into Management (continued my studies BSc Honours Degree and MBA with the OU). But I have always enjoyed being on the tools!
I have done a fair bit with electrical work over the years and dabbled in property development. I recently decided that I wanted to move back into the Electrical Industry after I was made redundant at the beginning of the Covid outbreak last year and booked myself on a Domestic installer course (4 weeks) Loved every minute of it! But!!! There is No Way!! that anyone would be able to sit that course and be a competent Electrician at the end of it (unless they had previous experience).
When I did my training as an Apprentice, I was working with timed served JIB Electricians and Jobbing Electricians in a predominantly Commercial environments, (Banks, Hotels, Restaurants, sound studios etc working with Conduit, trunking, Pyro, 3 Phase, Motors, generators etc). So got a great introduction to the industry.
There needs to be a way for adult entrants to be able to join the industry and become fully qualified. The Domestic Installer courses are great and have there place but should be part of an accredited process. On my OU Degree you could count previous training and qualifications! towards the initial entry level/Foundation course, which is were I see the Domestic Installer courses sitting.
Hi Sir nice to have you back
Apparently domestic sector is saturated ether by qualified electricians or those who are not. The shortage seems to be in industrial sector on large construction sites.
That is not what the industry is leading us to believe, yet I would agree with you to a large extent.
However, the electrical industry makes more money from Part P registration than anything else
@@Pure_electrical_training I can't back my statement with any evidence. It is only a conclusion from speaking to others on diploma course. Some say that the youngest sparks in construction sites are 40 yr upwards.
I’ve been following this series very closely because I’m in a similar boat. However, I have found that the it’s very hard to get into the electrical industry because it’s such a closed shop! Electricians are happy to get an apprentice who’s under 25 because they can pay them peanuts and know that they will be with them for at least 10years before moving on. However, if they get a mature candidate, they know the apprentice will only stay on maybe 5years (if they are slow). Most mature students catch things quickly and learn much better than a young apprentice lacking real world experience. Essentially, the electricians don’t want to train what they consider to be their competition. I’m not putting all electricians in this category, but not many willing to take a mature student as their apprentice or willing to give them experience.
I think there should be more courses catered towards mature students where they are thought practical skills.
I myself personally can’t do a apprenticeship as I have a full time job and a mortgage to pay. Surely there should be a route for people who needs to do this part time?
There is, it’s called the diploma route and you can see it here.
www.electricalcareers.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/TESP-England-Route-3-Self-Funded.pdf
Gayan - Your point regarding Electricians not wanting to train the competition is so on point! I have had two separate Electricians do work (different projects) in my house within the past 1-2 and when chatting I have mentioned about retraining and saving for the course fees etc. Both have said without hesitation that the industry is saturated with Electricians etc etc. I didn't know how to process that at the time, because surely there is more than enough work to go around ... and you always need fresh blood in any industry to replace leavers ans retirees.
@@ashamanjake6626 domestic sector is saturated cause I believe is the easiest one to get in to.
I have applied for gas engineer apprenticeship with fortem they are a housing property services company got my final interview in June and applied for homeserve as well
I'd be interested to know if there is a way to become a decent sparky, within the Domestic Intallation area, without doing an apprenticeship, given that they are hard to come by or impossible to do if you are an adult...
There are a lot of people in the comments that want to re-skill or change career but there doesn't seem to be a good way to do it?
From what I heard here, doing level 2 (by college course or intensive training course) and then trying to get job as a 'mate' to gain experience while continuing to do level 3 at college is the only way to go?
It depends what you want.
There are many people who do the level 2 and 3 course and simply cannot find employment or experience.
At least with an apprenticeship you have a job from the start and gain experience as you go. This means that if you lose your job you are more employable.
@@Pure_electrical_training In my case I don't really want an apprenticeship. I can see why that make total sense for a school leaver. I did one back in the day.
What are the options for 40+ age people?
Ps for the diploma route you have to do Maths and English alongside it.
My understanding is that is only the case if you don’t have the equivalent of a C in English or Maths, so you would do functional skills
@@Pure_electrical_training Yeah i applied for an Apprenticeship and for college - college for Level 2 said my Level 2 Maths and Level 3 English are fine, but the apprenticeship route (if an employer takes me on) means i'd have to do an extra maths module alongside it which would be fine.
The maths isn’t to the same level as GCSE and to be fair, may even help you with the science and principles which is maths heavy.
The diploma route don’t care what your level is, as the end result is not their problem.
With an apprenticeship you are supposedly guaranteed a level of competence and there is more pressure to see you all the way through
The idea is there, but it falls down if you get a less ethical college, or a useless tutor
@@Pure_electrical_training I'm doing the diploma route and if you've not got the maths or English you have to do them alongside. Maybe the rules have changed or something, but i only have to do 2 days a week and can go straight to level 2 whereas those who don't have have maths and English already have to do 4 days a week to catch up on them.
It's a bit like industrial spark can't do domestic work look their will always be good and bad workmanship regardless of qualifications
On the exam the trick is not to check the answers so it's better not to change the answers.
I want a career change and want to become a gas engineer. I am going to take the apprenticeship route I am 32 years old now. I have always worked in warehouses and factory work working as a machine operator like I am now. I have come to the stage this is not what I want to do as a career for the rest of my life. I work 3 shifts and the money is good I don’t hate the job or the place but I want a new challenge and I hate night shifts do 12 hour shifts sometimes as well I don’t mind taking a pay cut as i have lots of money saved as I have always worked and I still live with my parents and have no intention of leaving anytime soon. I want to go back to education and studying to improve my career prospects
Good luck
Domestic work is only a tiny part of electrical work. There’s the whole Commercial, Industrial and M&E that never gets talked about...
Just wondering how they will get accessed in practical and how they pass there
How do you mean?
I have no kids bills or mortgage to worry about either
I really struggled to watch this due to the excessive number of adverts
Wow, there was a lot. 😬
Thank you for pointing it out, I’ve sorted it now 👌
Yeah there were a few weren't there... tried watching it at lunch time and gave up half way
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