SPICE ALERT! Let's be real-- you should be doing ultimates, raiding, etc because YOU WANT TO because YOU LIKE IT. Don't let anyone else's actions dictate how you experience it.
Nah these cheats had killed any reason to go beyond savage. I used to look up to the players with the Ultimate titles and weapons, but now my main reaction seeing a player is, ah a add-on abuser cheater. Yoshida has said already if people demands extremely hard content, but then turn around and use cheat tools, why Invest so much development time making Ultimate fights.
The issue is that if the use of 3rd party tools becomes acceptable, the devs will design fights assuming that people will use them. That is what happened with wow.
Honestly its a bit disheartening to hear how easy it is for players to cheat, i've been looking at FRU PF groups and most mention bring it or bring the melon on primal. I'm a console player so it kinda sucks that someone can clear i fight i've studied and poured my time and effort in. But on the bright side, guess my fellow raiders are gonna be good either way.
I don't even get why people need the markers for FoF, from the prog I've been doing with my static (start of phase 2) there's very obviously marked orders for tethers
The concern is the WoW issue......if fights become too easy because people are using addons to tell them what to do, then they have to design fights to be harder and just ruining the difficulty for people who don't use addons. So yes, other people's success can end up ruining the game for someone else. You even said it yourself when you said people wouldn't join a party without the addon thus ruining your party finder experience.
no its not about easy or hard. its about ff can do fun mechanic because they dont have to think about addon. if its like wow it will also have boring mechanic. wow dont have hard mechanic. wow raid is waiting on the most braindead player out of your raid group to learn not to stand in fire. or its m+ where nothing get tested. you can push until everything one shot you.
@@Millet117 Spoken like someone that either sleeps in the fire or has never pushed high difficulty content. Designing for addons means tighter timers, more rapid mechanics, more precise movements, less clear telegraphs, random mechanics. All expressions of difficulty. All things that WoW does because of how ingrained addons are in the community that its not just expected that you use them but is considered mandatory by both the community and the content itself. FF is explicitly designed to be played without addons. The highest end content of wow is explicitly designed with addons in mind, and not just existing addons but the protentional for addons to be made to cover a single mechanic of a single fight. Addons that assign movement and positioning on the fly. There was a fight in WoW where everyone is marked as an enemy and 2 players are possessed by the boss. You have to find and kill the possessed players before they explode and kill everyone. During the phase the possessed players will get shadows of the boss over them, the possessed players will also see shadows over random players to cause confusion. Rather than actually solve the mechanic, an addon was made that brings up a voting system that lets you easily identify the target. That mechanic is inherently designed to be insanely difficult without addons. Any time there is a question about a mechanic about visibility, difficulty, just basic solvability, the answer in WoW is always "someone will jsut make an addon for it."
100% with you on this. Cause you get all this cheating, then these will be the same people talking about how certain parts of the game need to be more difficult. The devs are setting these fights up thinking that this is what the top end players are capable of. So this is where we'll set the ceiling. Yet, the vast majority of these top players are running around with all these dam addons helping them out. Now all of us who are going at these fights 100% legit have to try that much harder. As a ps5 player. This shit is getting annoying. If these teams are gonna keep doing this. Ohh we'll, but just know their killing the whole feel of the world first race.
@@TheImpolitelad your idea is right. But in the case of wow you are wrong. archimonde is the worse example you can give here. The beam on archimonde was designed to deal without the addon. The idea is build a circle with it. It’s not hard… there are no mechanic it’s “hard” in wow. Wow how insane you need to walk to the side where your line is the edge. your “addon makes hard mechanic” example is an mechanic designed without addon in mind… Here is the thing. You are right. Less addon will makes the game more fun. In the case of wow. But. Also the thing is. Ppl are gonna use them and there are nothing anyone can do about it. You got combat addon. UI addon. RP addon. Mods. etc.. you can’t Ban them all. And most importantly. SE don’t want to ban them all. Because just like wow. They also rely on addon to make their game better. If an addon does it for then. Sometimes they don’t have to do it themselves. Also let’s say your perfect world there are nobody using addon in ff. You go to Top on pf, how you gonna do p5 without AM? Let me know a reliable way to solve p5 without AM. It’s either AM. Or someone act as AM. So in the case of no addon. You can’t find a team as healer if you don’t know how to mark everybody in p5. So that part of mechanic will be only solved by 1 person. The experience on the other 7 will stay the same. Why not just use add on instead. What SE doing is very smart. Let ppl have the addon as long as they won’t show them and advertise them. The ppl who need addon will still use them. (Even if you want to ruin your experience they let you) Also maintain officially “addon is bad” so most causal players and new players won’t use them because first of all they don’t really need them 2nd. They will get scared.
the only plugin i use to play is the "No Clippy" for obvious reasons (i don't live close to the servers), but i don't understand why people want to use plugins to CHEAT, imagine cheating in a GAME, when the only purpose is having fun
The only purpose is having fun? Speak for yourself. I play the game to afk in Limsa with my weapon and title and I'm going to do whatever it takes to do just that.
I think the biggest issue with others using plug-ins is what you stated earlier. PF wouldn’t fill unless you had these plugins. Others who don’t want to use these will the be ostracized just like they would be in WoW. That’s what everyone is afraid of. PF becoming full or people requiring addons and plug-ins to do EX
the thing is. it wont. unless SE force ppl to. getting an addon is an extra step. its a step a lot of players just not gonna be bothered to do. the reason why ppl using say Auto maker in ultimate is because bad design on mechanic. lets say p5 for TOP. there are 2 ways you gonna clear p5. 1.use AM. 2. have someone in your team act as AM for you. just mark everyone. so you either use addon or use someone as an addon. how is having a healer making everyone in p5 gives rest of 7 people a different experience than addon? or its gonna be like " if you play healer and dont know how to mark in p5, we wont have you to our team" if SE really made even EX as bad as this( btw only 1 player need to put AM on in your party) or even worse that require an addon to beat a boss. then its not the players fault for using it. rn SE is doing a great job. they let ppl use whatever addon you want. but keep it to yourself. and they come out every once a while to scare some new player or casual player" you gonna get banned" so majority of the player wont touch it. because they dont need it anyway. and for the people who want to use it and need it. they wont do anything unless you are a big streamer or did WF on a ultimate/savage. also they dont have to add in features that should've added in. ( dot timer, some job gauge, better way to track buff/debuff) . how come darknight and warrior using the same basic system. both having a damage buff that last 30s . a energy gauge. but darknight can track the buff timer in job gauge and warrior cant? also not just combat addon. ppl are using mods, roleplay addon etc. IF they really gonna starting to ban ppl because. they gonna have to ban their most loyal players, the rp player as well. FF wont become wow because wow devs dont know how to make a game. their whole attention is focused on how to make you buy their new store mount and new trading post outfit.
Hello.. During Eden E9S through E12S I used "cactbot". I am somebody who can't have a static, and I needed callouts like any static members. I am forced to PF so I thought hard about it "Can I use a cactbot?" I was embarrassed about the useless mistakes I made caused by my ADHD. Unfortunately, unlike the statics, when a difficult mechanic happens it doesn't call out so I had to do most of it without callouts that is easily missed. I did not feel bad though, I was glad. I was feeling guilty "am I cheating?" But how is it cheating when callouts are even better? I used cactbot until P4S.. I stopped using ever since. I have nothing installed and I don't regret. I realised Cactbot helped me learn how to raid as a beginner, and I challenged myself without it, and I realised I could raid with my own brains. It felt better, but my brain doesn't function properly, I miss a part of brain that signals and memorizes stored memory, so it dumps the information and I have to work thrice to make something "muscle memory" it's not impossible, but it takes much longer. Raiding, I use to try restore my brain. It's been amazing helpful. I started FRU on PF day 1 and now 5 days later I am in P2 and I am very proud of my achievement. I understand the impatience and wanting to cheat a little to progress. It is understandable feeling, it's just a bad feeling to get caught. Also I am sorry you went through a hard time with your EX. Hope you're doing better. Thank you for sharing your deep feeiings.
Been saying this for a while if people want a “legit” w1st race you need to have it be in person at a specific location with “clean” machines pre-vetted by the event coordinators. Which… is never happening because so many people would not agree to it for many varied reasons.
It’s also some teams had giant blocks on their screens, whether it was to have a border for their stream chat, show their team name, or hide the in game chat, or something else. The truth is we just don’t know and we may never know.
I clicked on this because I was curious about what the conversation was around this ult (mostly just so I know on a scale of 1 to 10 how much I should avoid participating in it lol) And like, I got that But I also got SO MUCH deep lore about a stranger I don't know I hope things improve for you!?
I don’t want to take anything away from any team in FRU but it was soured from the jump. There were private PF parties on FRU P5 on Wednesday but holding off on clears as to not raise attention from SE for the achievement popping. I’m not saying any of the top teams (that streamed) we’re using anything but anyone could have had access to the vids going around showing all of the mechs from various pov’s (with solutions) FRU is already in the book of I won’t believe 99% of the people with the achievement actually earned it the proper way. Some 3rd party tools are great but in this situation, it takes credibility away from the race. 🤷♂️
if am not mistaken or I misinterpreted it, that if this happened again on this Ultimate yoshi p said they will no longer make anymore Ultimate because of it. but then again I could be wrong. I don't have a say in this as I have not done an Ultimate raids I want to I just need to have a mindset for it.
Going from how important sponsorship is to the sustainability of FFXIV to a story of how your friend guilt tripped you to buy a hellified sex toy for him is gold man 😂👍
using addon or not doesnt change the fact that this ultimate is easier than the last 2. ppl were also using addon on the last 2. its the same comparison. this ultimate have a lot mechanic that wont one shot you. dont really have a lot of dps checks.( the fact that pots have their price dropped after the new ultimate came out says a lot.) have really long and more telegraphed mechanic. having easier mechanic in general. i dont see how is this a bad thing tho. the numbers of the groups in pf are going through the roof. so many ppl are trying it. i think its a good thing that more people want to or get to enjoy the best content in game.
It's not whether someone uses a mod or not that most people care about. It's lying about it in order to get clout. I honestly could care less if people use mods to get an ultimate clear. But I think it's tacky as fuck when people claim a world first when they had to cheat to do it, and I have no problem with them getting some public embarrassment for doing so. Actions have consequences. "People are going to do what they're going to do" is a nonsense justification. Yeah, people do morally questionable shit sometimes. Sometimes, those people face consequences, which can include shaming from the community. Just because people might do those things anyways doesn't mean we should just remove the consequences. If you don't care about whether GRIND used mods for their "world first," you should also not care if people want to publicly roast them for it. After all, using your own words, people are going to do what they're going to do, and some people are going to roast people who are caught using mods to solve mechanics.
Doesn’t someone have to program those mods to show the player where to go? Could it have been programmed to show the player where to go before players have beaten it? Ignorant mod-less ps5 player chiming in lol.
Yeah I'll just stick to coming home turning on the ps5 doing my casual once a day content and relaxing with the good story on replays. This drama is why I don't watch the sports ball.
The "third party against the ToS" issue is very silly, almost an unenforced law at this point, and debates about it never go anywhere. As mentioned in the video, if anyone uploads a log, it means they are using something that is against the ToS, but people just don't care, and they shouldn't care, to be honest. But then there is the red dot thing, the NASA strat, among others, and suddenly everyone picks up torches and forks. The question is, where is the line drawn? I won't lie, I use both ACT and Dalamud. Some things in this game are just bad, like animation locks that make it impossible to do proper rotations and weaves, the very limited zoom out, heck, XIV incentivized me to get an ultrawide monitor, which, I kid you not, made the game way easier because now I can see things outside the arena clearer. Should those be illegal then? There's so much that the game can improve, but it's always the same answer: "Too hard to implement," "Not our priority," "Impossible to achieve," and we all know this is BS. On the other hand, we have things like the "Red dot addon" and automarkers. To me, this is where the line is drawn. These are not correcting game issues; they are just resolving mechanics for you. I try not to use them, but if you ever went to PF ultimate prog, especially TEA and TOP, you know someone will have "the thing." Personally, I don't judge either way. I can't see XIV as a competitive game, even if some people try to push it as one. Play the way you like, do what you like, just don't ruin the game for others. However, this community is very judgmental and hypocritical at times. I have this group of friends who are not happy with the red dot thing, saying it's a cheat, the clear is undeserved, etc. At the same time, they've been progging FRU while using "things," not to mention the dozens of shaders and stuff to make the game look "prettier." Great video, keep it up.!
I don't know why you made a big deal in the middle about not being mad at other people's success. That's not the discussion point at all. We're just talking about whether or not a team cheated and used somwthing unfair to get an advantage over another team. In which case, I would say yeah, they did. Mods are expressly forbidden. Doesn't matter if a lot of people do it, that doesn't make it more legal. Imagine if at the Olympics, someone was caught using steroids, and we just said oh well everyone does it, why get mad at him winning. Like, clearly that's not right. It's banned. End of story.
Everyone is cheating. They just didn't get caught. All of the streaming teams use ACT to upload their logs. No one seems to care, even though ACT can do much more than upload logs. But if someone has a basic dalamud plugin that most people would consider QoL, they automaticly assume they have 50 more plugins. There is no red line for plugins. If you use Outfitter to make your character cute, you're on the same level of illegality as someone using an auto rotation bot. There is no moral ground for plugins. As long as Square Enix doesn't enforce the "no plugin" rule for EVERYONE, then the "rule" basicly doesn't exist. It sounds harsh, but that is the truth. It's extremly cringe to pretend no one has plugins when in reality, 90% of the playerbase has at least something. edit: I even think one of the reasons FFXIV is so tiny on Twitch compared to WoW is the fact that a lot of people don't want to give up their QoL plugins to be able to stream. That's another indicator for how popular plugins are in general.
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The arguement who won is stupid. red dot team won every grooup uses 3rd party tools. Even i believe kindred were talking on mr happy sotr the other day about things in fflogs they used to help them during prog. Everyone cheats.
Race to world's first is such a dumb concept because everyone is cheating and racing to beat a video game boss is about as competitive as golf. You're playing against the course, not each other.
The only solution would be to do it like League Of Legends where you go to a tournament and THEY give you the PCs/Mouse/Keyboard etc. So everyone has the exact same thing and it's monitored.
Looool lets face it, eveeyone uses plugins/3rd party tools/cheats whatever u wanna call it. Its only a problem when u get caught doing so I guess. And yeah exactly what u said about streaming, its not always a guarantee that it's legit.
I mean... I don't. I do play on PC occasionally, but the only thing I use are nude mods and nothing more, so I wouldn't say ~EVERYONE~ uses plugins or w/e hell I don't even use the modded launcher and I refuse to.
lmao.. if 14 had a legit anti-cheat it would flatline the raid scene period. PF would be more of a ghost town than it already is. The majority of people that play & use assistance are still bad. PF is already a troll playground filled w/ “clear” parties who should really be hosting mech 2 practice parties instead. This is the only title I know (I play practically daily) that has millions of players and I can’t find a good party (sometimes a party period) for the instance I’m looking for. Imo the raid scene in this game is a joke (coming from a fan) and I give virtually no one credit for the minion / mount / glam / title they have because I know at least 95% of them didn’t earn it the intended way. I personally don’t care if you cheat / have assistance, I would honestly prefer it most of the time. Just be half decent using it. (We all can tell who you are - ie jenky movements (M4S witch hunt is fantastic at exposing this / moving to a safe spot right before it appears in real time (I’m looking at you Spheen EX etc etc) 😂
Who won? Grind did. Sure, Kindred gets the world first stream. But Grind did it first. Add-on limitations is ridiculous because it’s either all allowed or nothing is. And Kindred uploaded a log so they were using 3rd party too, they just didn’t have anything you could see on their stream. And if you want to be pedantic they were using discord too. Everyone uses 3rd party, you are willfully ignorant if you think any of these teams weren’t using something. NA and EU are just more careful about hiding their tools than JP is. Grind just threw a teammate under the bus to try and keep their clear status so they don’t get a gm visit. Grats JP, you’ve done it again. I don’t want to hear any whining about other regions using 3rd party when the most egregious stuff comes from your own region and you can’t even hide it for the world first stage. Next ultimate it might even be worth disqualifying your whole region in advance so yoship doesn’t have do another finger wag.
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SPICE ALERT! Let's be real-- you should be doing ultimates, raiding, etc because YOU WANT TO because YOU LIKE IT. Don't let anyone else's actions dictate how you experience it.
Nah these cheats had killed any reason to go beyond savage. I used to look up to the players with the Ultimate titles and weapons, but now my main reaction seeing a player is, ah a add-on abuser cheater.
Yoshida has said already if people demands extremely hard content, but then turn around and use cheat tools, why Invest so much development time making Ultimate fights.
The issue is that if the use of 3rd party tools becomes acceptable, the devs will design fights assuming that people will use them. That is what happened with wow.
Honestly its a bit disheartening to hear how easy it is for players to cheat, i've been looking at FRU PF groups and most mention bring it or bring the melon on primal. I'm a console player so it kinda sucks that someone can clear i fight i've studied and poured my time and effort in. But on the bright side, guess my fellow raiders are gonna be good either way.
I honestly am surprised to see how quickly with FRU groups jumped to the marker thing for the tethers. I am shocked-- it was so quick o.o;;;
I don't even get why people need the markers for FoF, from the prog I've been doing with my static (start of phase 2) there's very obviously marked orders for tethers
"Your client is more stuffed than a turkey" - That is a legendary quote my man, laughed senselessly!
The concern is the WoW issue......if fights become too easy because people are using addons to tell them what to do, then they have to design fights to be harder and just ruining the difficulty for people who don't use addons. So yes, other people's success can end up ruining the game for someone else. You even said it yourself when you said people wouldn't join a party without the addon thus ruining your party finder experience.
no its not about easy or hard. its about ff can do fun mechanic because they dont have to think about addon. if its like wow it will also have boring mechanic. wow dont have hard mechanic. wow raid is waiting on the most braindead player out of your raid group to learn not to stand in fire. or its m+ where nothing get tested. you can push until everything one shot you.
@@Millet117 Spoken like someone that either sleeps in the fire or has never pushed high difficulty content. Designing for addons means tighter timers, more rapid mechanics, more precise movements, less clear telegraphs, random mechanics. All expressions of difficulty. All things that WoW does because of how ingrained addons are in the community that its not just expected that you use them but is considered mandatory by both the community and the content itself. FF is explicitly designed to be played without addons. The highest end content of wow is explicitly designed with addons in mind, and not just existing addons but the protentional for addons to be made to cover a single mechanic of a single fight. Addons that assign movement and positioning on the fly.
There was a fight in WoW where everyone is marked as an enemy and 2 players are possessed by the boss. You have to find and kill the possessed players before they explode and kill everyone. During the phase the possessed players will get shadows of the boss over them, the possessed players will also see shadows over random players to cause confusion. Rather than actually solve the mechanic, an addon was made that brings up a voting system that lets you easily identify the target. That mechanic is inherently designed to be insanely difficult without addons. Any time there is a question about a mechanic about visibility, difficulty, just basic solvability, the answer in WoW is always "someone will jsut make an addon for it."
100% with you on this. Cause you get all this cheating, then these will be the same people talking about how certain parts of the game need to be more difficult. The devs are setting these fights up thinking that this is what the top end players are capable of. So this is where we'll set the ceiling. Yet, the vast majority of these top players are running around with all these dam addons helping them out. Now all of us who are going at these fights 100% legit have to try that much harder. As a ps5 player. This shit is getting annoying. If these teams are gonna keep doing this. Ohh we'll, but just know their killing the whole feel of the world first race.
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@@TheImpolitelad your idea is right. But in the case of wow you are wrong.
archimonde is the worse example you can give here. The beam on archimonde was designed to deal without the addon. The idea is build a circle with it. It’s not hard… there are no mechanic it’s “hard” in wow. Wow how insane you need to walk to the side where your line is the edge.
your “addon makes hard mechanic” example is an mechanic designed without addon in mind…
Here is the thing. You are right. Less addon will makes the game more fun. In the case of wow.
But. Also the thing is. Ppl are gonna use them and there are nothing anyone can do about it.
You got combat addon. UI addon. RP addon. Mods. etc..
you can’t Ban them all. And most importantly. SE don’t want to ban them all. Because just like wow. They also rely on addon to make their game better. If an addon does it for then. Sometimes they don’t have to do it themselves.
Also let’s say your perfect world there are nobody using addon in ff.
You go to Top on pf, how you gonna do p5 without AM? Let me know a reliable way to solve p5 without AM.
It’s either AM. Or someone act as AM. So in the case of no addon. You can’t find a team as healer if you don’t know how to mark everybody in p5. So that part of mechanic will be only solved by 1 person.
The experience on the other 7 will stay the same. Why not just use add on instead.
What SE doing is very smart. Let ppl have the addon as long as they won’t show them and advertise them. The ppl who need addon will still use them. (Even if you want to ruin your experience they let you)
Also maintain officially “addon is bad” so most causal players and new players won’t use them because first of all they don’t really need them 2nd. They will get scared.
the only plugin i use to play is the "No Clippy" for obvious reasons (i don't live close to the servers), but i don't understand why people want to use plugins to CHEAT, imagine cheating in a GAME, when the only purpose is having fun
Noclippy should honestly be apart of the base game.
I can't play without it either.
The only purpose is having fun? Speak for yourself. I play the game to afk in Limsa with my weapon and title and I'm going to do whatever it takes to do just that.
I think the biggest issue with others using plug-ins is what you stated earlier. PF wouldn’t fill unless you had these plugins. Others who don’t want to use these will the be ostracized just like they would be in WoW. That’s what everyone is afraid of. PF becoming full or people requiring addons and plug-ins to do EX
the thing is. it wont. unless SE force ppl to. getting an addon is an extra step. its a step a lot of players just not gonna be bothered to do.
the reason why ppl using say Auto maker in ultimate is because bad design on mechanic.
lets say p5 for TOP. there are 2 ways you gonna clear p5.
1.use AM.
2. have someone in your team act as AM for you. just mark everyone.
so you either use addon or use someone as an addon. how is having a healer making everyone in p5 gives rest of 7 people a different experience than addon? or its gonna be like " if you play healer and dont know how to mark in p5, we wont have you to our team"
if SE really made even EX as bad as this( btw only 1 player need to put AM on in your party) or even worse that require an addon to beat a boss. then its not the players fault for using it.
rn SE is doing a great job. they let ppl use whatever addon you want. but keep it to yourself. and they come out every once a while to scare some new player or casual player" you gonna get banned" so majority of the player wont touch it. because they dont need it anyway.
and for the people who want to use it and need it. they wont do anything unless you are a big streamer or did WF on a ultimate/savage.
also they dont have to add in features that should've added in. ( dot timer, some job gauge, better way to track buff/debuff) . how come darknight and warrior using the same basic system. both having a damage buff that last 30s . a energy gauge. but darknight can track the buff timer in job gauge and warrior cant?
also not just combat addon. ppl are using mods, roleplay addon etc.
IF they really gonna starting to ban ppl because. they gonna have to ban their most loyal players, the rp player as well.
FF wont become wow because wow devs dont know how to make a game. their whole attention is focused on how to make you buy their new store mount and new trading post outfit.
Hello.. During Eden E9S through E12S I used "cactbot". I am somebody who can't have a static, and I needed callouts like any static members. I am forced to PF so I thought hard about it "Can I use a cactbot?" I was embarrassed about the useless mistakes I made caused by my ADHD. Unfortunately, unlike the statics, when a difficult mechanic happens it doesn't call out so I had to do most of it without callouts that is easily missed. I did not feel bad though, I was glad. I was feeling guilty "am I cheating?" But how is it cheating when callouts are even better? I used cactbot until P4S.. I stopped using ever since. I have nothing installed and I don't regret. I realised Cactbot helped me learn how to raid as a beginner, and I challenged myself without it, and I realised I could raid with my own brains. It felt better, but my brain doesn't function properly, I miss a part of brain that signals and memorizes stored memory, so it dumps the information and I have to work thrice to make something "muscle memory" it's not impossible, but it takes much longer. Raiding, I use to try restore my brain. It's been amazing helpful.
I started FRU on PF day 1 and now 5 days later I am in P2 and I am very proud of my achievement. I understand the impatience and wanting to cheat a little to progress. It is understandable feeling, it's just a bad feeling to get caught. Also I am sorry you went through a hard time with your EX. Hope you're doing better. Thank you for sharing your deep feeiings.
Been saying this for a while if people want a “legit” w1st race you need to have it be in person at a specific location with “clean” machines pre-vetted by the event coordinators. Which… is never happening because so many people would not agree to it for many varied reasons.
I totally agree with you on the plugins. I don't care if you use them but if you do, never ever talk shit about how easy the game is.
It’s also some teams had giant blocks on their screens, whether it was to have a border for their stream chat, show their team name, or hide the in game chat, or something else. The truth is we just don’t know and we may never know.
I clicked on this because I was curious about what the conversation was around this ult (mostly just so I know on a scale of 1 to 10 how much I should avoid participating in it lol)
And like, I got that
But I also got SO MUCH deep lore about a stranger I don't know
I hope things improve for you!?
I don’t want to take anything away from any team in FRU but it was soured from the jump. There were private PF parties on FRU P5 on Wednesday but holding off on clears as to not raise attention from SE for the achievement popping. I’m not saying any of the top teams (that streamed) we’re using anything but anyone could have had access to the vids going around showing all of the mechs from various pov’s (with solutions) FRU is already in the book of I won’t believe 99% of the people with the achievement actually earned it the proper way. Some 3rd party tools are great but in this situation, it takes credibility away from the race. 🤷♂️
Finally this is the Video we need from Cole!
the esports channel took from the regular content creators of FFXIV but they did donate to a charity which no one can really dis.
if am not mistaken or I misinterpreted it, that if this happened again on this Ultimate yoshi p said they will no longer make anymore Ultimate because of it. but then again I could be wrong.
I don't have a say in this as I have not done an Ultimate raids I want to I just need to have a mindset for it.
Going from how important sponsorship is to the sustainability of FFXIV to a story of how your friend guilt tripped you to buy a hellified sex toy for him is gold man 😂👍
using addon or not doesnt change the fact that this ultimate is easier than the last 2. ppl were also using addon on the last 2. its the same comparison.
this ultimate have a lot mechanic that wont one shot you.
dont really have a lot of dps checks.( the fact that pots have their price dropped after the new ultimate came out says a lot.)
have really long and more telegraphed mechanic.
having easier mechanic in general.
i dont see how is this a bad thing tho.
the numbers of the groups in pf are going through the roof. so many ppl are trying it. i think its a good thing that more people want to or get to enjoy the best content in game.
I want to do it but can’t find a party
It's not whether someone uses a mod or not that most people care about. It's lying about it in order to get clout. I honestly could care less if people use mods to get an ultimate clear. But I think it's tacky as fuck when people claim a world first when they had to cheat to do it, and I have no problem with them getting some public embarrassment for doing so. Actions have consequences. "People are going to do what they're going to do" is a nonsense justification. Yeah, people do morally questionable shit sometimes. Sometimes, those people face consequences, which can include shaming from the community. Just because people might do those things anyways doesn't mean we should just remove the consequences.
If you don't care about whether GRIND used mods for their "world first," you should also not care if people want to publicly roast them for it. After all, using your own words, people are going to do what they're going to do, and some people are going to roast people who are caught using mods to solve mechanics.
As long as you're breaking the ToS then your run should not be legit. Yes, that includes using ACT.
Simply put people who complain about stuff like this doesn't do high-end content.
Doesn’t someone have to program those mods to show the player where to go? Could it have been programmed to show the player where to go before players have beaten it? Ignorant mod-less ps5 player chiming in lol.
Congrats on the gains my guy!
Yeah I'll just stick to coming home turning on the ps5 doing my casual once a day content and relaxing with the good story on replays. This drama is why I don't watch the sports ball.
The "third party against the ToS" issue is very silly, almost an unenforced law at this point, and debates about it never go anywhere. As mentioned in the video, if anyone uploads a log, it means they are using something that is against the ToS, but people just don't care, and they shouldn't care, to be honest. But then there is the red dot thing, the NASA strat, among others, and suddenly everyone picks up torches and forks. The question is, where is the line drawn?
I won't lie, I use both ACT and Dalamud. Some things in this game are just bad, like animation locks that make it impossible to do proper rotations and weaves, the very limited zoom out, heck, XIV incentivized me to get an ultrawide monitor, which, I kid you not, made the game way easier because now I can see things outside the arena clearer. Should those be illegal then? There's so much that the game can improve, but it's always the same answer: "Too hard to implement," "Not our priority," "Impossible to achieve," and we all know this is BS.
On the other hand, we have things like the "Red dot addon" and automarkers. To me, this is where the line is drawn. These are not correcting game issues; they are just resolving mechanics for you. I try not to use them, but if you ever went to PF ultimate prog, especially TEA and TOP, you know someone will have "the thing."
Personally, I don't judge either way. I can't see XIV as a competitive game, even if some people try to push it as one. Play the way you like, do what you like, just don't ruin the game for others. However, this community is very judgmental and hypocritical at times. I have this group of friends who are not happy with the red dot thing, saying it's a cheat, the clear is undeserved, etc. At the same time, they've been progging FRU while using "things," not to mention the dozens of shaders and stuff to make the game look "prettier."
Great video, keep it up.!
The red dot thing is a basic Dalamud plugin that you can use if you have dalamud. It's not something criminal.
I don't know why you made a big deal in the middle about not being mad at other people's success. That's not the discussion point at all. We're just talking about whether or not a team cheated and used somwthing unfair to get an advantage over another team. In which case, I would say yeah, they did. Mods are expressly forbidden. Doesn't matter if a lot of people do it, that doesn't make it more legal. Imagine if at the Olympics, someone was caught using steroids, and we just said oh well everyone does it, why get mad at him winning. Like, clearly that's not right. It's banned. End of story.
Everyone is cheating. They just didn't get caught. All of the streaming teams use ACT to upload their logs. No one seems to care, even though ACT can do much more than upload logs. But if someone has a basic dalamud plugin that most people would consider QoL, they automaticly assume they have 50 more plugins. There is no red line for plugins. If you use Outfitter to make your character cute, you're on the same level of illegality as someone using an auto rotation bot. There is no moral ground for plugins.
As long as Square Enix doesn't enforce the "no plugin" rule for EVERYONE, then the "rule" basicly doesn't exist. It sounds harsh, but that is the truth. It's extremly cringe to pretend no one has plugins when in reality, 90% of the playerbase has at least something.
edit: I even think one of the reasons FFXIV is so tiny on Twitch compared to WoW is the fact that a lot of people don't want to give up their QoL plugins to be able to stream. That's another indicator for how popular plugins are in general.
xeno world first contender hasnt even reached p5 2 days after what are you even saying
I love mess and drama!
LMAO D: XD
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The arguement who won is stupid. red dot team won every grooup uses 3rd party tools. Even i believe kindred were talking on mr happy sotr the other day about things in fflogs they used to help them during prog. Everyone cheats.
Confusing thumbnail is confusing
Nevermind i get it 😅😂
Race to world's first is such a dumb concept because everyone is cheating and racing to beat a video game boss is about as competitive as golf. You're playing against the course, not each other.
The only solution would be to do it like League Of Legends where you go to a tournament and THEY give you the PCs/Mouse/Keyboard etc. So everyone has the exact same thing and it's monitored.
Grats JP 🎉
No no you're right, my main is in crystal and that term is correct LMAO walmart xdx
Only thing xeno won was having the cringiest opinions known to man lul.
Looool lets face it, eveeyone uses plugins/3rd party tools/cheats whatever u wanna call it. Its only a problem when u get caught doing so I guess. And yeah exactly what u said about streaming, its not always a guarantee that it's legit.
I mean... I don't. I do play on PC occasionally, but the only thing I use are nude mods and nothing more, so I wouldn't say ~EVERYONE~ uses plugins or w/e hell I don't even use the modded launcher and I refuse to.
I view this cheat the same as steroids in baseball they should be banned
Laughably childish comparison.
lmao.. if 14 had a legit anti-cheat it would flatline the raid scene period. PF would be more of a ghost town than it already is. The majority of people that play & use assistance are still bad. PF is already a troll playground filled w/ “clear” parties who should really be hosting mech 2 practice parties instead. This is the only title I know (I play practically daily) that has millions of players and I can’t find a good party (sometimes a party period) for the instance I’m looking for. Imo the raid scene in this game is a joke (coming from a fan) and I give virtually no one credit for the minion / mount / glam / title they have because I know at least 95% of them didn’t earn it the intended way. I personally don’t care if you cheat / have assistance, I would honestly prefer it most of the time. Just be half decent using it. (We all can tell who you are - ie jenky movements (M4S witch hunt is fantastic at exposing this / moving to a safe spot right before it appears in real time (I’m looking at you Spheen EX etc etc) 😂
Who won? Grind did. Sure, Kindred gets the world first stream. But Grind did it first. Add-on limitations is ridiculous because it’s either all allowed or nothing is. And Kindred uploaded a log so they were using 3rd party too, they just didn’t have anything you could see on their stream. And if you want to be pedantic they were using discord too. Everyone uses 3rd party, you are willfully ignorant if you think any of these teams weren’t using something. NA and EU are just more careful about hiding their tools than JP is. Grind just threw a teammate under the bus to try and keep their clear status so they don’t get a gm visit.
Grats JP, you’ve done it again. I don’t want to hear any whining about other regions using 3rd party when the most egregious stuff comes from your own region and you can’t even hide it for the world first stage. Next ultimate it might even be worth disqualifying your whole region in advance so yoship doesn’t have do another finger wag.