What Is Causing Birth Rate Decline? | Joe Rogan & Peter Thiel
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Peter Thiel is an entrepreneur and investor. He co-founded PayPal, made the first outside investment in Facebook, and co-founded Palantir Technologies, where he serves as chairman. Thiel is a partner at Founders Fund and leads the Thiel Foundation, which funds technological progress and long-term thinking. He is also the author of the #1 New York Times bestseller Zero to One.
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when you live in the countryside children are free labor. when you live in an apartment children are expensive furniture
No! Children are expensive because they destroy the expensive furniture. ;)
Nothing is stopping people from living in the country side. People used to have children with much less back then. It's nothing to do with money. It's because everyone wants to live in the best part of the best city coupled with "modern values" hindering reproduction.
Fortunately or unfortunately, this is why modern values will perish or never existed long term ever, because they will get out reproduced by the values that prioritizes reproduction.
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT 100% ! Many of them are making babies to use them for wiping the floor..
Disgusting. Seeing children as slave labor
@@teaadvice4996it’s an statement about rural economics and its relationship to birth rates. You clearly didn’t understand
We are too busy going to college and then paying off student loans. We aren’t financially secure until our 40s. By then it’s too late.
Most people don’t have student loans
Wrong.
Chinese got to a billion during famine.
You are too busy on the Internet, borrowing money, credit cards, smartphones, cars on credit, holidays, eating out, Starbucks, cosmetic surgery and much more! My generation lived on the breadline and broke our backs to build our wealth. New generation weak and entitled!
@@microfarming8583boomers ruined the country
Isn’t a money issue
animals in captivity stop breeding
*depressed animals
The people who say kids don't impact your expenses (money doesn't matter) clearly don't have kids.
or you are just bad at finance.
@@dontcallthemliberals3316 or didn't receive an inheritance. Or didn't have the wisdom to be born rich. Or wasn't college material.
It's pretty easy to look down on the plebs, ehhh?
Depends on priorities, move somewhere else, homestead, home school, build community, f*ck college and public education
@@dontcallthemliberals3316 Which costs less: a healthy child or one with chronic diseases?
Some people genuinely care about the children's quality of life thus only have one or two versus four. Quality of life can include....drum roll.......spending money.
Hard to think about having kids when you can barely afford to feed yourself.
Another big red flag for most people is that if you talk to somebody who has a child older than 5, you are genuinely surprised if the parents are still together. Most parents are either single or with somebody else. With these numbers you think twice before you want to be a divorced parent too.
with current divorce rates, growing up in a family with both father and mother has become a privilege. 8 out of 10 women are filing for divorce
Women file for divorce 80% of the time, and are rewarded for doing so......don't get married
@@kurtrussell5228 what is the main reason for divorces??
@@tedyryt1369 " I'm not happy"
@@kurtrussell5228 lack of emotional satisfaction ??
I got a kid and got layoff, the worst thing ever!
I wish my little guy had a better father 😢 surviving is like $2000 per month on the very lower end, childcare is so expensive
The most important thing is that you are in your child's life. Michelle Obama said she was grateful for her dad staying in her life even though he couldn't work because of his Multiple Sclerosis disease. So many men run out of their child's life because they don't feel like they can provide and it damages childrens psyche
Hopefully, things improve for you soon! ❤
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@@k4piii way to go!
You are the most important person in your childs live, with or without a job! We cheer for you! ❤❤❤
Realizing we are in a meat grinder.
Two rich guys confused why most ppl can't afford kids lol
😂😂
And one of them gay! Guess who’s missing!
Yeah. They're just so out of touch. I don't believe a word they're saying
The distorted view out the window of the ivory tower. Even funhouse mirrors have a more honest view of the world.
money doesn't play a role. if two people really want to have kids, they will have them. the poorest countries are the ones with the most children. the main reason for todays falling birthrates is the current anti-family culture, feminism and social media.
I am a millennial with 3 kids & got married at 19. Still married 20 years later. We are pretty self sufficient. We save money by canning from our garden & orchard.
I always thought telling women to be anything but mothers had something to do with it.
My guess is
1. It’s very expensive and the young aren’t as wealthy as their parents in the wealthier countries at least
2. Education and higher education is taking longer, more years from life then you have to build a career and pay back that debt
3. Youth are far more concerned about the future sustainability of the planet - again and the costs
4. Geopolitics and war
5. Not having a partner and there is still a stigma associated with being a single parent, primarily because they hold a strong proportion of the welfare system.
6. Women are now just as ambitious as men and socially are expected to perform economically too..
7. Better birth control
None of those are the reason I don’t know a single person that thinks any of that
@The_king567
Ok bud. What's your theory?
@@TANQ31 laziness and feminism
@@The_king567 That's a lazy answer.
@@yambagnelson9987 it’s the only right one
Sorry but I'm not about to worry about what the population is going to be in 900 or so years. I got actual shit to worry about in my lifetime
Spoken like a true pleb
It's a multifaceted problem but the main reason is money. Ppl's paychecks 1/2 to 3/4 of it goes to just having a roof over your head. And what you have left gets divided to bills and groceries. Having a huge extra expense like a child is simply out of the question for anyone that's financially responsible and not mooching off the system.
Not true. In Africa they have many kids and are poor
Everyone talks about how expensive the cost of living is and childcare and all that. They're not wrong, but that's not the whole picture. I think the more important reason is the breakdown in long-term committed relationships. With half of all marriages failing and the vast majority of men get decimated in divorce, everyone is either too shallow/narcissistic, impatient, or selfish to maintain a healthy relationship, or don't want to take the risk at all. Who is going to have a family if there is a good chance they'll never see their kids again?
Very true!
More men still cheat than women and that’s the number one reason why women still file for divorce. Second is financial. People getting into a ton of debt and lying to their spouse. Women are more likely to file cause men are usually lazy with that stuff but not all. That’s what the statistics are with why those things happened. Are these women supposed to stay with their spouse if they cheat?
The number of bitter men telling horror stories about divorce is too high to ignore!
There is a breakdown in long-term committed relationships because half the population is economically unstable. There was a time in the US where college education was extremely cheap, housing was cheap also, and you only needed one working parent to raise a family. That is not the case anymore, unless you are millionaire.
It’s Feminism coupled with unaffordability.
It’s not money. Why is Africa and Latin America booming if that was the case
@@timboslice8559 Africa is the only continent that has a positive birth rate. Latin America is not. It is barely at replacement levels. Also poor people always have more kids, until they gain resources and then they stop.
Birth control, lots if people never wanted many kids but that just happened naturally. Now you can prevent unwanted preganncy and wow it worked.
I have two, that were planned and wanted. I have great husband, big house and good salary, we don't want more beacuse of very busy workweek. If I got pregant by suprise, I think I would be quite happy but not taking that decision conciously. Rasing kids takes lots of time and those sleepless night.. At some point, I thought I would die from sleep depriveation...
@@baassiia there is no such thing as an unplanned pregnancy. Assume you will get pregnant every time you have sex. Once you’re done having Kids, get a Vasectomy or your Tubes tied. That’s the responsible way to do it.
@@rafest6532 it doesn't work that way. Birth control is very effective when used properly. I don't have to sterlize myself. I am in long term relashionship, almost 20 years now and month we stopped using birth control, I got pregnant. Each of my 2 prgenancies were sucessful at first try. If for some reason it fail, it's fine, I would have that kid.
Money. Money. Resources. Money. Resources. Also COMPASSION towards your future children. Bringing them into poverty is choosing hardship for them.
Exactly. Putting your kids in a public school these days is like traumatising them for life and giving them a garbage education.
it all has to do with financial. We have been priced out of house and now we have been priced out of kids.
Wrong
Then people who conquer their finance issues are working so much, they're short on time.
I’m just gonna be honest. Our society does not value children, or the lives of children as much as they should. We have been telling people to delay, marriage, or not get married at all, and also told a generation to prioritize their career over starting a family.
People are starting to figure out that this was a horrible plan. The consequences of this are going to be tremendous.
Or I hear endlessly the mantra "Live within your means.". So people struggle to get that solid career life going after 4 years college at the minimum and get into debt for a bottom rung entry level job. Meanwhile, the upper class sits on Billions.
@@FluxNomad678 well, look at me. I’m a first generation American from Mexican parents. I went to college and was going to get my Masters, but instead, I pursued roofing as a trade. I’m so glad I stopped my masters and pursued roofing as now I have my own company.
I’m actually better off than most people in my graduating class that went to higher education.
Or maybe people just can’t afford having kids when they can barely pay their bills every month. Kids are expensive
Marriage has a high failure rate and divorce is quite costly for men.
@@tonymontez2358 no, they are not. That is just an excuse. There is so much government help that there is no way people are broke because they have kids. Absolutely no way.
No one can afford kids. Also..we are continually told that the planet is on a decline. Why have kids?
@@Megarobotsquadron Yeah I've always thought that but you need them when you get old. It doesn't matter how much money you have when you're elderly if you dont have someone looking at for you you're going to get ripped off. You realize this when you get into your 50s and you dont have kids. I didnt realize this until I watched my parents get old and pass away and i never had any. I'm just resigned to not get that old. Around 65-68 will be good for me. When you hit your 70s you're most likely going to be feeble physically and mentally. Have a couple of kids as soon as you can. It's good to have them young so you can be closer to their age.
People have raised kids in absolute poverty throughout the whole human existence. It's not about resources. We are materially richer than any other generation of humans. Believing you need to not take your space is how your overlords put ideological pressure on the poor to get rid of them. "It's virtuous to go extinct." This has been around since the 1800s.
@@ToddBacon oh I totally understand. I have kids, but I have the means. But I'm almost 50.
But younger people are a different story. They can't buy homes in my city. Careers aren't as accessible for them and a lot of them are holding off post-secondary education after high school.
Having children is amazing
@@oh.....5075 of course it is. I have 2.
But I also know a lot of people from 20-40 who aren't anywhere near that stage in their life for the reasons I mentioned above. The intro to idiocracy touches on this
Its not about money. It's about time.
I want to travel, no time for kids.
I want a successful career, no time for kids.
I'm working 3 jobs to make ends meet, no time for kids.
I want to pursue my hobbies, no time for kids.
I want to hang out with my friends, no time for kids.
I have a 3 month old daughter and stay at home wife that i barely see because im working 6 days a week to scrape by.
time = money
@@MilkshakeBeats sometimes
Working 3 jobs to make ends meet is money
@@jeihka1 yes but it's also time
@@MilkshakeBeats You can easily make more money, you can NEVER make more time.
It's too expensive to have kids. Most responsible people know this. The trouble is that poor people still have tons of kids and then expect everyone else to pay for it (see the uproar when the Tories in the UK limited child benefit payments to the first 2 kids).
"Kids are expensive" is not true in UK...
@@bariole it is when you consider how low UK pay is. Also, if you care about your kids education it is.
The U.S. needs to do the same thing.
The comments of others on this video are a lot more better and intelligent than the video itself
It's cultural. We realized we were telling our kids how hard it was to raise kids, and how much work it was, until we realized what we were doing and stopped. Now we make a point of explaining to them how fulfilling it is to raise kids, even though it's lots of work. Show your kids how much joy they bring you, and then you'll get grandkids.
Only future kids have is corporate slavery. Working themselfs to death while living in poverty. Who want this for their kids? To me it is a crime !
@GiftigeBalspuwer You're delulu. People are better off today using any metric you can think of than at any time in history. We love longer, we're healthier, and we have amazing technology. I have a robot that vacuums my house. I can stream movies instead of renting. I have a personal communicator that's more advanced than Captain Kirk's. I can video chat with my cousin half way around the world. I can order stuff online and it'll be delivered tomorrow. And it's cheap!
@@autom8it339
Back in the 80's you could do more with one income and job then now with 3 incomes and 3 jobs. Most people now need 3 jobs and still can't pay the bills.
How is this better then back in the 80's?
Sinds Ronald Reagan all the wealth is transfered to the top 1%.
@@GiftigeBalspuwer Just because you are unhappy doesn't mean everyone is.
having kids in rural farmland is an asset because it's free labour on the farm. Having kids in the city is expensive because they are an expense.
Perhaps rural farmland in the third world but in the west, the machinery we have now has cut the among of farmers needed compared to the 20th century. I also more autonomous farming machinery increasing over time. Yeah you still need your seasonal workers to pick fruit/veg etc but as an overall trend in the west, we are not screaming out for farmers right now. I see no big recruitment drive for farmers.
@@richardc861 I don't think there are as many small rural farmers like there used to be, as well. It's more corporate farming, at least in the US. I could be wrong, but that is my impression. And yes to all that you said.
Rural kids go to school and hang on mobile phones just as city kids. They don't drive tractors..
@@richardc861 The industrial revolution and it's consequences included people not breeding, because what's in it for me?
@@skylinefever yeah i dunno, I have three kids under 10 and some days i don’t know what i was thinking.
The reason I’m not having kids is because we have investment portfolios now and we have health insurance…etc. Kids in the first world are now liabilities not assets like they once were that’s basically why rates are declining. It’s just not rational anymore.
Yep... 100 years ago kids were seen as cheap labor on farms. Today they are seen as expensive pieces of furniture when we live in condos...
Ha! Your portfolio will take care of you when you are old!!! Nope, portfolios don’t do well without population growth and taking care of you when you are old is just going to add more stress to future generations that you did not contribute to. It is hard to be real with ourselves about how we will have real needs for care as we age, but that does not change the fact.
@@SC-sh6ux This entire paragraph screams of selfishness and living for your old age. Nothing about actually wanting kids or the kids benefitting.
@@megankissinger8269 I feel terrible that someone taught you that meeting your needs is selfish. This is the hallmark of a very manipulative person. We all have needs that deserve to be met. The need for care in old age is real.
What if they despise you and leave your old selfish ass rotting alone?
So sick of this question….It’s MONEYYYYYY. Doesn’t take a fukking genius to know that
lol yep, people tend to overthink things
let's just ignore the fact that our ancestors and many people all over the world have EVEN LESS THAN US, and had/have children
@jaromor8808 good idea. We should ignore that. People have stable environments in many of those cases. People in developed economies end up homeless which is really different than poor, but stable.
@@jaromor8808 Yea and just imagine how many of “Those People” had NO business bringing a child into this world in the first place.
People were poorer in the past and had lots of kids. Today, the poor have the most kids and the rich the fewest. You may “feel” like it’s money, but the reality says it definitely is something else.
To whoever so concerned about declining birth rates, maybe they should volunteer to have a dozen kids themselves-especially the wealthy, and those in power , who are surrounded by comfort and luxury.
It’s easy for some to push the idea of larger families or even 1 child without acknowledging the economic, social, and personal sacrifices required. Some dont even have the resources to let 1-2 of their child have a better prospect in the future. It’s expensive to nurture a child. It’s not just feeding them.
Back to my first point, beside having dozen of children , they should let some of their children take on hard labor or risky jobs that many in the population end up doing when they have no other choice.
Else this discussion is a moot. Everyone wants others to sacrifice their comfort while they do the yapping.
Too many things to do in the world. The internet has broaden people's view. They don't need children to keep busy. They can travel and see the world.
Yeah. But u get tired of that too. . I have traveled enough
😂
I wish I could. I could never afford world travel and I don't have the time.
That gets boring too tbh
Billionaire homosexual talking about low birth rates
Did he take elocution lessons from Elon Musk?
Homosexuals are not barred from having children
@@gachimuchienjoyer8083they rarely do
Homosexuals don’t contribute to fertility. Thiel is hilarious.
Apparently he has 2. But I agree never heard him speak before, he sounds quite bumbling
I love that when it comes to birth rates there is never a proposition that it's because people earn too little, work too much and long ours. Very telling.
Why birthrate decline? Easy:
Bad economics, expensive living and cant afford housing.
Simply no. Birthrates are low in rich countries too
All good points, but that’s in latter stage. The root cause (beginning) was when government stopped doing their jobs and auction their people to private sector. Prices of housing, education and health care went through the roof in 2 generations, 2% of people made generational wealth and the rest cannot keep up with the cost, so they stopped having babies. 1 generation later it becomes what Thiel said, it’s so normal because everyone else is doing it
I know what scares me is the economy at the moment.
No, you are just afraid, and most people are cowardly. Only the courageous survive.
@Rac-fpv Elon just recently paid the most amount of tax _ever_
The gov spending and overreach is the problem, not productive individuals.
Ok most people are barley surviving.stfu
The Economy seems strong, but that Trickle Down never seems to happen.
@@FluxNomad678 Maybe because it's not true and someone on the Left invented it? You have to earn your own living instead of expecting to just get it. Participating in the economy is how you get part of it.
Here's a question: If I had wife and a kid and living in one bedroom apartment, would that make me a terrible parent?
People say it costs so much money to raise a child, yet did anyone actually calculated every single penny spent on basic food, shelter, and clothes? Or people just take "nice" things for granted?
A child is affordable right up until the parents have to pay for daycare. If mom can stay home for 5 years its a non-issue. But in many families in the big city the woman is the main earner because outside of tech women dominate city jobs (retail, health, hospitals, schools).
@@r2dad282 Big cities, regardless of country, always have been expensive for average earners. That's why people move out to suburbs to save money, right?
@Reanimator999 Suburban neighborhoods are now more expensive because they are safer, have better schools, etc. The next recession will only make it more so. Still, I would try to avoid CA, IL, NY as those states are broke and are not fixable in today's society.
This billionaire is so out of touch with reality. A lot of gibberish and over thinking. Ppl can’t afford to have kids when prices are sky rocketing. How am I suppose to worry about my children when I can’t even afford to feed myself. He’s too rich to relate to normal ppl
Someone will scream that people in mud huts have 5 kids so affordability doesn't mean anything.
It’s people who can’t afford an apartment and bills every month with the cost of living and inflation rising how do they expect to afford a kid lol 😂
People who are well off financially are also not having kids, so the problem is multidimensional and they are talking on one dimension that's at a more fundamental level, so they are also right as you are.
Look him up. He's such a weirdo. He pays teens for blood transfusions and wants to live forever. He also buys politicians by bank rolling their campaigns, he funded JD Vance. He also bankrolled a Senate candidate in Arizona.
People keep saying money is the reason and indeed, it is in part. However, people had lots of children because they had a sense of belonging and a tribal identity. A big family. Now most want to be rich and isolated.
Or you can get most of the beneifts of having kids by having one or two instead of 5.
@@yambagnelson9987 two children per family doesn’t sustain the population.
People didnt have burth control back then??? Do you think women wanted to be pregnant all the time?
If i have 5 children with my salarie i would have to get 3 jobs and should never sleep.
Do you really know how people live?
its funny to see the richest guys in the world starting to get worried that their slaves are no longer creating new slaves.
😂
It's the black hair dye.
I was looking for this comment LOL
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We've artificially prolonged childhood. More people go to college, get graduate degrees, or just play in their twenties. When you wait until you're 30 to get a real job and get married, it's too late to have a big family.
Blame anything but Capitalist greed 😒
The Chinese communist party made birth rates low.
Capitalism makes
Socialism takes
@@freedomworks3976 Jew takes
Too many billionaires (like Peter Thiel) and highest wealth inequality in the past 90+ years.
But he earned that money, not his fault that he’s more capable than most people
Should be higher
red herring. increased regulation has blocked the IPO culture of the 90's from perpetuating. now we have oligarchs who bought up the start-ups and pocketed the gains over the past 25 years. IPO stock conversion created boatloads of tax income because little guys didnt set up trusts to protect $75K in gains. fix the IPO machine and this inequality goes away. or just whine about billionaires.
It's money. It's simple money. There are countless economics models showing the correlation between income-cost of life-birth rate.
As in, poorer people always have more kids everywhere and throughout all of history?
@@braedenh6858Poor people in third world countries have extended families to help with the kids. In first world countries the extended family is non participatory, so people with young children have to pay outsiders to look after the kids. Which we can't afford to do.
@@braedenh6858people who retire in first world countries want to be on vacation all year round, they don’t want to help raise their grand kids.
@@teresamagnusson I support my family and raise my kids on one income, no babysitters needed, never made 6 figures until last year. There's no need for a married couple to pay anyone to watch kids unless it's for a date night/special occasion
@@coolbuddydude1 that's my experience. Boomer generation was/is extremely selfish
There are plenty of people. Let’s focus on quality over quantity.
This problem is the achilles heal of enlightened cultures and has been gaining momentum since the 60s.
People used to be pressured into getting married and having kids. Those social pressures are mostly gone. Without those pressures, most people won't want to have children.
Social pressures are bullshit. Everyone should have freedom to choose how they live not be pressured to do something. Thats just passive slavery
All healthy and capable men and women still find each other and start families together. The amount of leftover people not able to reproduce has increased greatly.
when families can flourish on a single income again, then you will see birth rates rise. in all of the example thiel is talking about, both men and woman have to work just to break even.
That will never happen... two income households have been struggling for decades.
One factor no one discusses is autism. Everyone knows someone whose life was ruined when they had a kid with that condition. Until they can find a way to cure it or detect it in utero before the third trimester, fewer and fewer people will be keen on playing that Russian Roulette.
honestly not a bad guiess, especially with people having kids later. If you have a kid that is fine, its like you lucked out once and do you really want to risk it again?
That is one of my fears. That's why I don't want to have my kids in certain stressful environments.
My brother has a son with low functioning autism. I have no kids and I hate to say, but I'm glad I don't have to deal with that. I think it's wearing on his mental health.
Autism is made up, as much as pandemics.
Fair comment.
There is just a “perfect storm” for the decline of birth rate: Urbanization, social movements, cultural changes, health issues.
I can talk about thr health issues because I saw this in the past 10 years. A lot of my friends and acquaintances tried to have babies but had health issues (a lot of times both had issues). In men the low sperm count was predominant. In women was a lot if different issues. And a lot of them were not old couples… late 20’s or early 30’s.
And this happened very fast… I never heard of issues like this in the 80’s and 90’s…
It was exactly the same in the 80's and 90's , I had my son in 1989 , I did not want children and most of my friends only had one child , don't misunderstand I love my son and didn't know I was pregnant until my 4th month so I had him , If I could go back I would not of brought him into this non free world .
why would people want children, when they are suffering under terrible govt.
Yes but you keep voting for this terrible government.
People have been having children under far worse times as these. We may not live in a perfect time but having children and bringing them up right is what will make a better future.
@@dbelezi2157 we did much better when the population is low. we thrived, today few are thriving, they cannot afford a home, healthcare, services, and education.
@touche97 Really? We had far more deaths from diseases, more wars, and worse life expectancy in the past. Economics can always change, but our standard of living has greatly improved in the past 100 years, and that's with whatever current situation we're dealing with.
@@dbelezi2157
Because people in the past were extremly brainwashed by the chruch with these stupid religions !
People aren't having kids because kids are fucking expensive
Kids are now a luxury, not a necessity
Yet they are necessity for the country
Until you're old. Who the hell do you think is going to wipe your butt silly??
@@justinbeynon7980 I can't imagine more selfish reasoning for having kids than just wanting a future caretaker. Don't reproduce please
Facts
No one can afford to have kids nowadays.
The system is broken
Maybe people don’t want to have 7 kids these days because…you know…it’s insane.
Seriously, unless you are trying to start your own football team from scratch.
I've got 2, and my wife and I don't have the energy for a 3rd. We put a lot of time forward getting them prepared to be responsible adults and provide experiences like camping, skiing, and such.
LOL! I have 7 so I must be insane!🤣It's actually a lot of fun. And it is so nice to see their bonds with one another. I don't think it is as expensive or hard as people think it is as long as you aren't trying to make everything be 'perfect'.
@@jenfoster128it’s not possible to give every kid the attention they deserve with that many kids. End of story.
@@jenfoster128I want my kids to have actual experience and not in poverty with a baseball team
Watching this as a 26 year old woman in Israel... It is a social thing, but not entirely.
greatest example are the orthodox community, which have plenty
People need houses, stable jobs and income and healthcare to feel comfortable and plan kids. We are a generation that decided to parent dogs and cats.
video games, internet porn, less in person social meetings between people, economics, time, and gender role shifts all lead to a declining birth rate.. This is why your friends aren't having kids so it relieves the social pressure of having a kid yourself.
Nope. Women's standards shot up moment they had access to tinder.
@@Genevasplaytime Definitely expectation are through the roof. I would also add the sheer terror of losing half your net worth if you marry wrong lol.
@@MJ-hr8yi if every man had a decent amount of money I guarantee birth rates would be up we know women love men who are financially stable. It still goes back to people can’t afford kids, if a lot of guys had money they would at least pay for it or more women would trap them with a kid for financial benefits
@@tonymontez2358 definitely , in japan the main reason why the birthrate declined was that one person’s salary couldn’t afford a family. So many factors but if i had to rate the top one i would say finances.
@@MJ-hr8yi exactly, this isn’t like America back in the day where a man could work at a factory and have 8 kids a house and a car on that one salary. Inflation priced most people now out of buying houses they can barely afford rent so we know they can’t afford kids
This guy looks like he just got off a 1 week bender
If by bender you mean a guy called bender then yes, yes he did.
@@maverick7291 bent over by ben dover
1. Money
2. Lifestyle
For Utah birth rate, you need to understand that Salt Lake City has a lot of non-Mormons, west coast people that moved for the cheaper cost of living and outdoors stuff. Mormons still have big families
Exactly anything outside of SLC is 50 kids per family but that is due to extreme church welfare being provided to prolong this.
My wife and I were initially planning on having two children but we’re trying for a third. We’re in a position to be able to afford that and provide a good home, so we feel a sense of responsibility. In large part because of this population decline.
Poor woman...
8 billion is a huge number of people suffering with nothing much. only a small elite are living well. 7.9. people are poor and suffering.
It’s obvious why birth rates have collapsed. Having many kids used to be a practical strategy to improve life now having kids is an expensive luxury. For most of history more kids meant more labor available to help around the farm, as well as higher chance to receive care for you when you became elderly. Today those incentives are gone, while the expenses and stress remain.
We need protection of all humans life from moment of conception.
Communist Romania did that. Ask the non aborted how it turned out.
Children expensive. Children lots of work. But being a mother or being a father, creating a family together; is just not so popular.
Highly individualized society.
Nah it definitely has a lot to do with the expense of everything. Couples who actually think these things through and not doing it because it’s crazy expensive
It has never been affordable to have children in human history.
Yeah. People used to starve to death, their kids starved to death. They still had them.
@@lawrencefrost9063 But internet exists now and we have a good amount of things to do, in the past the only fun you had was making children.
That is just not true.
actually people had kids when we had farms back in the day. Children were cheap labor. We now live in condos where children become expensive conveniences.
The oposite. Peoole in poor countries can not aford not to have children
The bigger the system, the more difficult it is to maintain it, let alone expand it. We've created a very large economic/social/financial system in the past 70 years.
Not all cultural groups are propagating uniformly. Mormons and ultra orthodox folks (if we extrapolate forwards) would grow as larger and larger populations over time and we would never end up with simply 1 person left in mankind.
I think this is likely. I think the broader population will suffer tremendously from labor shortages, etc. but I agree that it’s unlikely we go extinct. More likely that the populations predisposed to reproduce more will simply be the ones that survive.
@@cawheeler27hence why mormons love sex.
Africans and others who still reproduce will come.
Interesting to hear from older family when I asked then why they had kids. Majority of them said because it's what everyone was doing. Never really saying that they personally wanted to raise a child. Just caught up in FOMO.
And I can kinda see it. When you see all your family and friends around you having kids. It makes you feel isolated. It was happening to me but then I met a different friend group where all of them don't want kids and that feeling of FOMO subsided.
So overall the main issue boils down to loneliness. Something I have to work on and mamy others as well can relate
She has her own money and education. She doesn't need to trap anyone.
There. Now.move forward because no one cares.
4 reasons why birth rates are plummenting, in order:
1). The cost of living.
Not a single citizen in this country making minimum wage can support a wife and child, god forbid multiple children! It's become impossible for individuals to feed and house themselves. Both parents MUST be working 1 or 2 jobs each. Childcare has become insanely overpriced because we finally realize taking care of kids is HARD WORK, and they want to get paid accordingly to that hard work. While on the same foot, we still deny maternity leave for women in this country in some jobs and states in this day and age.
2.) Divorce rates and commitment issues.
More than half of all marriages end up in divorce, in worst case scenarios, the wife will recieve a man's hard earned money and material things the husband devoted labor and work for. Nobody wants that, and its happening willy freakin nilly and marriage wages people for tha very reason. Nobody wants to commit to someone because that someone could also take you to the cleaners after a few years and becoming "bored" of the marriage and achieve no fault divorce. Wtf happened to "till death do you part?" Oh yeah we just one day decided that a marriage license and the laws that are supposed be associated with it actually doesnt mean jack shit. The spouse can just not want to be married anymore after so many years that makes any prenups or conditions in a marriage null and void.
3.) The work of raising children
Raising your child yourself is impossible today with social media. Children are becoming active on social media younger and younger each year meaning the world can reach and teach your children anything at anytime you arent around. Look at the state of the mental decay in the youth, they are violent, undisciplined, mentally unstable and depressed. We arent even in the top 100 in education in this world but yet we are a 1st world country?! Why are some statistics saying that some 7th grade students in certain areas can't f****** read?!?! WHY ARE THEY IN 7TH GRADE IF THEY CANT READ!??! People see the state of these kids and know its only gonna get worse before it gets better. You have to ask yourself, are you willing to bring a kid in this world that youll have to constantly be worried about because of other peoples kids?? Or are you willing to put in the hard work unlike most parents to make sure that your kids doesnt become a problem? Because work is what has always been required to raise children, and the world is different now. Your child will see these things and experience these kinds of people everyday, and not just in person but over social media too. You will have to constantly monitor your child to make sure they arent doing bad things. But parents do not have time to spend every minute with them, so you have to put in hard work and basically pray you'll have a good kid. I dont think people want to roll the dice on stuff like that.
4.) Birth and pregnancy
Since the dawn of social media, women have been able to share and absorb labor and pregnancy stories to each other in the millions. We've obviously known that labor and pregancy has never ever been a cake walk in human history, but now that so many horror stories of complications from labor and all that have flooded social media it scares the crap out of some women. Theres so much that can go wrong and we often forget that just because we live in the modern era, women still die everyday from childbirth. I think alot of women have been tricked and manipulated into being convinced to have kids and that everything will be fine and its normal, only for it to go horribly wrong and damage their bodies forever in gruesome ways. Not case for everyone, but the fact is there is still too many horror stories for a woman to not think twice about not only shoving a human outside of you, but all the stuff that comes after. Lack of sleep, the hormones, possible post partum depression, ect. For too many years women have been told that pregnancy and birth is rainbows and sprinkles, when in reality its this ugly really taxing and exhausting thing but worth it(as im told). Losing sleep, having to breast feed and get bitten on the nips, breast leaking, wearing an adult diaper cus of the dinner sized plate wound inside your body that wont stop bleeding until its healed, etc. We should be honest about these things instead of treating it like a girls first period, all full of joy of womanhood and "things will get better from here" vibes. NO. WARN women about these things! It might teach a woman to really choose what she wants in life before she makes such a decision!! Its the same energy as teaching your kid about sex and what could happen, except tell them what WILL happen AND what could happen afterwards! The best birth control out there is to tell them what being a real mother is like. Its not a luxury, its nature, and nature has never made anything easy ever.
ITS THE COST OF LIVING!!! It INFURIATES me to hear men talk about the 'cultural' stuff without ever acknowledging the incredibly obvious--you can't afford a one-working-parent one-stay-at-home parent situation anymore. My immigrant, uneducated uncle worked in a grocery store; his wife stayed home for life and raised their three children. They owned a nice house in a decent neighborhood, a new car every couple of years, and took vacations every summer. That same situation now? The grocery store worker can't even support HIMSELF (or HERSELF) and rent his own studio apartment, let alone support another adult to raise their kids. ITS THE MONEY ITS' THE MONEY ITS THE MONEY!!! You want women to have kids? PAY THEM!! Men won't acknowledge the obvious: birthing and raising kids is full time LABOR.
You can repeat yourself all you want. It’s not money. Rich couples still aren’t having a lot of children. Maybe money is a small factor, but it’s not the main one.
Counterexample: Finland with one of the the most extensive child aid programm, their birthrate is still bad. The largest part is mentality
Mothers need to be paid.... because many times, child rearing can put a woman in poverty. So pay us or shut up. Every other job in society is paid! We aren't going to fall for the love/marriage trap to trick us into free labor. Sorry. Not sorry!!!! I'm still not going to do it but I'm still advocating for it. Lmfaooooo.
Also fertility suddenly dropped ninemonths after the experimental was distributed to young people. The abortion rate also dropped. People suddently decided to stop having accidental pregnancies.
Ppl call it feminism, I call it self-preservation
I stopped at 2 kids. Why? Bc if anything were to happen to my husband/marriage - 2 kids is all I can personally afford.
Men/women abandon their kids and families every day. Refuse to invest in them. Get greedy and selfish during divorces, etc.
You think anyone would come save me and my kids if my husband ran off? Please. Ppl would convince themselves that i was a bad wife who probably deserved it.
In an ideal world, if I didnt have to consider such things, 4-6 kids would have been nice.
Richard Nixon took the dollar off the gold standard, and from them on, the dollar slowly and gradually lost its value as we engaged in frivolous spending as a society.
Now I go get a burger and fries at five guys and it’s $25 with tax.
The cost of living certainly has something to do with it because in the 1950’s a house was 5k and a car was $200.
Now houses are 400k, cars are 20k, and people are paying for everything in installments. 😂
Social media has made people more selfish than ever. It's true, and is indirectly linked to this issue.
Because everything is so expensive…smart people don’t want to have kids right now.
Birth rates have been collapsing for decades not just right now
"Smart people"........funny how people see themselves as smart.
@@worldobserver3515 there was a study done that showed that more people with college degrees are choosing not to have kids…that’s what I was referring to. Sorry it triggered you enough to take the time to comment on my post…lol 😘
@@ep6507college degree doesn't make people smart, if anything, considering what they are being taught there, it's the opposite😂
@ep6507 Many people with college degrees have degrees in things that don't translate to reality.
Not very smart to buy a bill of goods that costs tens of thousands of dollars.
People that have relevant degrees start families. People that don't... don't.
You have to say that Peter Thiel analyzes the topic very well.
Gates🤑🤢Depopulation 50MILLION👿💩
I swear, some much talked about problems would disappear if he was out of the picture.
How would one man being gone, make the sea clean and women wanna fk?
Problems are complex. One Factor or person can be all their is
Job stability is key. If you don't have that foundation, it's impossible.
It's all about money.People on welfare and the rich are having kids non stop.lol
In the sales world a common saying is behaviour is driven by compensation. Converting this to society human behaviour is driven by economics. On top of this we have other factors, religion, social pressure, fashion and marketing, which does have an additional impact, but if the economics does not make sense these have a minimal impact.
Saying that one point raised in this video is our society have becomes focused on the old rather than the young, that is an interesting idea.
Haven't been able to land a good partner.
I think it's the combination of internet dating making women more selective and not feeling pressured to get married or have kids. Add to that extremely high cost of having kids and people aren't going to do that as much. These are all factors in counties that are experiencing declining birth rates. If women feel urgency to pick a husband and have kids then you would have higher birth rates.
Man that speech pattern is frustrating to listen to. Just awful.
Peter Thiel talks at 2X speed naturally I love it.
I see the stress of parents, I'll pass thanks....
It's definitely not all the money going to the top 1% and allowing them to pay pittance to their workers.
A gay man with no kids talking about the problem of low birth rates…
😅
He does. But they're accessories.
When one word “Money” would do, instead of 5000 words, which just boiled down to the same answer
It's education, smart people don't have kids when they have trouble taking care of themselves.
Many grew up poor and do not want to have their kids suffer in that way, so they just don't have them.
As the population declines, so will prices as demand falls.
Then maybe we'll level out at a few billion people, which isn't a bad thing.
There's an interesting graph about the decline in birthrates. While they were bad pre 2008, the property crash in 2008 basically sped up the decline. Property prices began to increase and less affordable housing while at the same time the birthrates declined.
I wonder if young people in their 20s actually want to have kids. Key word is "want". Civilization is much larger and diverse as opposed to 100 years ago. Thanks to television, the internet and social media, young people may look forward to leaving home to explore the world and engage in child-free activities. In ages past, our 20s were very important foundational years. The 20s is when people are supposed to get married, buy their first house and start having kids. I've known a lot of people who spent their 20s going to college, traveling, starting careers and they had their kids in their 30s. Some of us just kept on living the child-free life and never had kids. Having kids is very domestic. I don't know very many people who left home and then immediately wanted to get married, buy a house and start having kids. The people I've met who seem to be concerned about the birth rate are people in their 30s, 40s and 50s. People in your 20s, are you really concerned about the birth rate? Do you really want to have kids right now? Or would you rather enjoy your freedom for the moment?
I can’t help but wonder if more people would have kids if medical science could figure out how to extend female fertility another couple of decades. It’s very front loaded, with the best reproductive years in the late teens and twenties, the same time most women are going to school and starting careers. What if they could make it easier to have children in 40s or even 50s? I just think it’s an interesting thought, don’t know if it would ever be possible. But it would give women the freedom to establish their careers and have children at a time when their incomes are higher and they may be more inclined to enjoy a different journey.
It's money. The vast majority don't have enough to live comfortably. Let things implode a little until there is more resources to go around.
Less assholes and over crowding what’s not to love
Never before in history has there been internet, tv, cars, phones, everything. You can't expect that things won't change.
Women want to live life,not be pregnant all the time. Leave them alone already
That’s only 10% of childless women. 90% aren’t childless by choice.
@@KirisutonoNeko ok,then these 10%should be left alone
@KirisutonoNekoWhat's the reason for the 90% being childless?
@@solomongrundy1467 what are you talking about??? Most of the women have kids. How many do you have?
@@solomongrundy1467
Another 10% was due to infertility. The remaining 80% were labeled as “childless by circumstance.” That’s apparently from a 2010 meta-analysis by a Renske Keizer, though I couldn’t find the actual research paper itself.
Surely those “circumstances” would be impacted by at least some choices women in that category are making, and it seems it might include some who merely regret as well as those who always wanted children the whole time, but at any rate I think we can say that the majority weren’t childless because they wanted to be childless or didn’t want to be pregnant or whatever. It makes sense to investigate the details of the “why” for that 80%.
Thiel gave a great answer, starting by acknowledging that the birth rate is multi-dimensional, but he missed the most important factor: Marriage generally precedes childbirth, and people aren't getting married. Why not? Marriage has lots of benefits (e.g. financial efficiency) completely separate from children. There's your primary mystery.
Yeah I'm not making kids just so i can burden them with my decline later.. I'll handle it..
So basically the Nursing Home will handle it for you
That's not why you have kids. Well, it certainly was not part of my thinking.
@@pierrefab7185That would happen anyway, even for parents.
When you get dementia 😮
You are just saying you will burden someone else’s kids with your future care.