I was literally about to pull the trigger on an Orbea Rise M10, and then woke up to see 3 videos about this bike all dropping the same day, so I guess the bike search is gonna be a little longer 😁 The silent and discrete design of the motor (you can’t even really see the motor behind the cranks!) is super appealing to me. After riding a SC Heckler this past weekend I realized I don’t want an overpowered e-MTB. Even on eco it felt like I wasn’t really working for it at all, which I didn’t realize I was gonna miss. I just want enough boost to where I don’t feel like throwing up after a serious ascent, can do a couple laps instead of having to call it a day after 1, and have the option to turn down/off the boost when I’m riding with my analogue riding friends
Heh I ended up picking up an M10 today. I considered whether I wanted to wait for my LBS to get them in (a couple months) along with the unknown track record of the new motor in the Trek. The specs of the M10 are killer for the price too
@@walamoonbeam Yep and the specs were even better before the duel price increase by Orbea and all brands. I've been riding my M10 for just over a year now and still digging it more with each ride. I definitely want to demo this Trek, the new Pivot SL and when the new Levo SL comes out, but I'm not in any hurry to get rid of my Rise as it's that good.
You are coming in loud and clear. Big and clunky is still big and clunky even if you have a motor onboard. I like the idea of the Rise over the SL ... and the Levo over the Kenvo ... and the Power Play is to much .. So here I am stuck between the Levo or the Rise
This motor alone just seems so cool… Not to mention this bike looks like a normal MTB. I’d love to throw a leg over one of these some day. My only concern was long term reliability but I only needed to hear one thing. Mars Rover.
Good to see this. I very much hope there is progression in the e-bike light category, as it’s where I intend to go in the next 3-4 years. I would love to see a head-to-head with the Orbea Rise.
I routinely ride my EXe without any assistance and only use juice on long steep climbs. Love this thing. I use it to even out the load. I work little harder on the flats due to the few extra pounds and work less on the steep climbs.
100% I'd bet he will get there.. at some point doing a Shoot-out. That is if all the other aspects of this bike keeps it in fore-front, or even just the ballpark, of the Rise and the SL (levo)
AWESOME: Even more important: this internal Cam-drive motor should, should, lend itself to a **fully integral TRANSMISSION** inside the motor. Changing the external size of the internal ring would give a higher speed on the output ring. Seriously!! How many rings can he fit inside, and still have the mech needed for swapping rings (shifting in effect)? As an R&D engineer myself I am EXCITED , to say the least.
Nice video! Will definitely watch the long term review. I would like to know how it climbs compared to the Trek Rail, meaning if someone on a Rail would roast me uphill. A long term comparison to the Pivot Shuttle SL would also be nice. Ride on!
I love mountain biking and moto. I think all of us mtbers and moto enduro guys have more fun than everyone else on the planet. But good heavens,These prices are just out of control for the ebikes and new Amish bikes. For 12k, I’m buying a 2022 gasgas ex250f and 2022 salsa blackthorn with a few upgrades, which I did earlier this year. Lol. 12k for a bike , Insanity completely insane. At some point, when I decide to starve myself for a month I’m buying a ebike. It’s too hot to starve myself right now, maybe this fall.
@@KurtRWalker same here. Since owning my Rise, I haven’t even looked at another ebike but that’s just changed. I wish Trek could have squeezed another 10nm out of the motor to match the Rise but the lack of noise could be the nail in coffin.
@@chrisjones6699 I have been looking for another light e bike to add to the stable and was excited about this so we will see. I do like who Orbea is a as a company as well.
TQ has been working with Haibike for a while, just at the other end of the spectrum, on the FLYON series with 120Nm motor. Will be instesting to see a comparison of this Trek with the Orbea Rise and the bikes with the new Fazua (once they release them).
In english !!! Thank you for this first feedback on the Fuel EXE in the most advanced and therefore the most expensive version. Could you test a Fuel EXE 9.5 and a Rise M20. Both bikes are the same price.
We'll ask Trek and Orbea if that's something we can do. Always tough getting the more "affordable" options as they usually sell out the quickest and aren't always set aside for media for that reason.
I've been researching for a few days and this is very close to the top of my list. I'm unfortunately between sizes at 6'2". Will need to go and check it out in person
The trek looks amazing, however Orbea Rise H (alloy) is such a good value when looking at a lower weight ebike! Has 540wh battery + 252wh extender = 792wh total. Built mine with alloy dt swiss 1501 hx wheels, xt drivetrain, inserts, 4 piston brakes, weighs in 45lbs. And then price is half of some of these treks and specialized!
I think your missing the point. @andy. The orbea alloy comes with a bigger battery size which is significant considering the carbon Orbea comes with the same size battery as this trek. So you would actually be getting less of a bike, if what you wanted was more range. And what’s the difference honestly on an E bike between XT components and XTR, the performance is identical, and a couple hundred grams is lost in the battery and motor anyways.
We didn't change. We just got older. That's why my wife and I got a Rail. I agree on one thing; the Rail has sometimes too much power and you need to learn to control the force, young Rail Padawan. The noise and weight never bothered me really. If we are looking for a good ole' style, close-to-a-heart-attack experience, we just take our Fuel Ex for a spin.
Certainly an accomplishment to achieve light weight and so few dB but I remain unclear who this bike is for. Not being snarky - it’s more a suggestion to Trek or Loam Wolf. I’ve demo’d a half dozen full power eMTBs and if I invest in one, it will almost certainly be one with a higher-output motor and a larger battery. To read that this Trek might go a half hour on full boost pretty much rules it out for my local terrain. Again, I am not a hater, but instead a thoughtful critic. I suppose this will probably be a really really cool bike for people with 1,000’ max climb days. Good for them - the more people on bikes, the better, as I see it.
@MTB Express yes it is a normal bike has around 14.88kg so it's just 4kg more compared to bigger batteries and bigger motors which have 23+ kg so yeah it's light
I love that the first thing people do is complain about the price of the HIGHEST model available... He clearly said they offer a 6k version base model. I'd like to know the level of tuning available with that new motor.. Especially in the assist realm.
$6,500. I'd be less offended if that was the model that came with SLX, Fox 36, and Float X, instead of RockShox 35 and Deore. I'd have even be interested in it if that was the case. But they should have released some 160/150 low-mid all mtn specs as well as that is what I would want
I love my ebike! (Turbo Levo). We all need to be pushing HARD to get these things (Class 1) allowed on ALL biking trails. The US Forest Disservice was moronic (or malicious) in how they classified them so as to auto-ban them pretty much everywhere.
Really like this idea of midrange e-bikes that are more Mtnbike than e-bike. Nephew has a ebike for hunting that’s heavy and feels more like an underpowered motorcycle almost. Tho the fact it also has a trailer to pull deer out with I guess it needs it. The pricing for the EXe is a bit sigh inducing. Considering my last bike was $1800 I think years ago
Good review love, it good bike too i think the new lightweight emtbs are a great second ebike to have. Plus tq have done an ebike motor before on the haibike flyon 120nm fyi
As an owner of a Rise carbon I think this could be interesting for those that want an absolutely quiet ebike. The real questions right now is range, power delivery and reliability . This weighs more than I thought it would considering the whole package of the TQ motor and battery weighs the same as the EP8 motor without the battery. The frame on this must be quite beefy.
The reason this particular build weighs more than the rise is due to the whiz's. The EXe XTR build actually weight less at 38.5 lbs. With all the lightweight ebikes on the horizon, it may almost be time for an SL shootout.
@@KurtRWalker I have the m10 as well. Peak torque is less at 50nm I read but that doesn’t mean so much when the Bosch CX gen 4 delivers the same 85nm much better than the ep8 85 nm and the brose 90nm so we will see.
Awesome review! I'm sold on the mid power EMTBs. Really curious how the TQ motor compares to the Fazua (New Pivot and Transition Relay) and to the old EP8 RS. Looking forward to switch from a full power Bosch CX4 to a mid power light weight EMTB.
What is the Range Average of this bike if I were use it to commute in NYC - Why you may ask? - The pot holes are getting bigger and there is more trafic every day
What's it like to pedal above the cut off on flatish terrain? If you were doing an e-mtb race and you had to pedal at high intensity above the cut out, how much harder is than a similar travel analogue bike?
Merci pour ce premier retour concernant le Fuel EXE dans la version la plus évoluée et donc la plus chère. Pourriez-vous tester un Fuel EXE 9.5 et un Rise M20. Les deux vélos sont au même prix.
Isane! Looks like ISIS drive splines so our existing BOSCHE Cranks will be compatible with this. Love all these "SL" style ebikes. Can't wait to test ride this one.
I currently have a gen 3 levo pro. Really considering this bike. What are your thoughts on the difference of how they ride? Can you be just as aggressive with either bike?
For those .......who say "I don't ride and ebike, because I prefer to pedal" guess what, you actually pedal more with an ebike. While you're hike a biking up a tough or steep pitch, we're still pedaling our light weight ebike up the 20-22% grade.
Glad to see more lightweight EBike! Has to be compared to the Specialized Turbo Levo SL and Kenevo SL. See Neil's review of the latter on GMBN. I own the Turbo Levo SL and it is the best contraption I've ever owned. I have no idea why you'd want more power if your aim is to have a bike that rides like a good MTB. A key is to keep the chainstays short, which they are not on the full power ebikes. Looks like this one does well there.
Horses for courses. I ride my MTB 80% of the time. My Ebike is for power hours and uplift days, for those sessions speed and power are important to me. We have a few guys out riding SLs with normal bikes, they really help if your fitness is lacking. No way an SL is keeping up with a group of full fat EBikes.
What is the objection with old guys riding an e bike in Bend? Seems unfair that they would deny access for people that are only using pedal assist for going up hills. Great review! Thanks
My pops lives up in Eugene. It might have something to do with the fact that the guy who runs their forestry division is extremely naive about them almost to the point of just being a straight hater.. The UK figured this out a long time ago.. just make class 1 the same restrictions as a regular bike. Period. Class 2 and 3 fall into the motorized trail category and move on.. It's almost too simple for gatekeepers to accept.
I like the concept, the design, the motor. The suspension specced on the 6.5k model is a disgrace though. Even the 8k model only gets Rhythm/Performance (because there's no cheaper shock I suppose). That's hard to justify.
This has been a ongoing trend for a long time now....getting less, and charging more. To get the same quality bike that I purchased 10 years ago for $1600, you would now have to pay $9500. And you'd still be missing a front derailleur.
@@RK-kn1ud That's definitely a bit of an exaggeration. Inflation is a thing and technology gets more expensive. I doubt you were able to buy a near top spec e mtb for sub 2k 10 years ago. I'm also not talking about things getting more expensive. Right now, in this moment, you can get an Orbea Rise m10 with factory suspension for 8k, with a carbon frame, same size battery. Also; who tf wants a front derailleur? 1x is superior by a longshot.
@@otisjordan5613 Most of the trails that l ride tend to have lots of fast downhill into steep climbs. It is MUCH better to switch one gear on the front derailleur then it is to try to switch 11 gears in the rear before you load up the drivetrain. The amount of people who only get halfway through the rear cassette before they stop and fall over is insane when rocking a 1x12. Then they gotta manually shift through six more gears, then balance themselves on a hillside while tryin to get started again.
Love to see how these bikes compare. I love my Rise. Was thinking about a trek as another light e bike to get to keep in another city or to get my friends into the sport. I’ve heard the Rise is more powerful though and I would hope the Trek is the same weight. If not, ORBEA may be more value for cost.
At approx 7:35 into the video, "If you're on very quiet, you know, loamy, forest floor, you might hear it a touch more." I was actually hoping that you'd demonstrate that. Sometimes when I'm riding up a hill and a group of roadies pass by, some of them just have to say it, "Cheater," because they can hear the motor whining. *
Riders who either haven't adopted full power ebikes, or ebikers looking for a lighter, shorter-ranged eMTB that rides more like a traditional trail/all mountain rig. I like the longer travel fork up front. For me, i still prefer full power ebikes as i like the range, vertical, and All Boost All the Time mentality. BUT, it's a rad and fun bike.
I’ve noticed the whole range is carbon I wonder if they’ll do an aluminium version like Orbea have done with the rise or also a hardtail with this motor in it would be interesting
I would love to see the Fuel EXE vs the new Transition lite emtb. I like the stealth aspect and want to add something less powerful than my full fat for when riding with Amish bikes.
@@TheLoamWolf It would be a great comparison when the transition comes out. It seems like they are both the "mountain bikers" mountain bike. The transition being marketed to go well with or without the battery and then ive seen alot of people talking about pedaling this without the motor as well. And both being thrown around by team riders like they arnt an ebike as well. I think transition said theirs will run full 29 or mullet. Can you mullet the trek? If so these would be a good comparison for the almost more freeride emtb's
I know a totally different bike, with rhe Fuel-eX, but curious how handling and suspension handles and ride compared to the Rail….and Trek if you are listening, please bring back M/L sizing. At 5’10” (avg US male height), my large 20’ Rail fits me like a glove
This was something they said they were gonna start doing during reviews for the SL versions. Tuning and OFF. I hear the Levo SL is like riding a couple year old enduro. So that is a good thing being able to do everything with one bike.
Compare it against the Orbea Rise and take into account the cost! This is one expensive bike in the configuration you have. Motor I think is definitely better, my EP8rs sounds like a bag of loose bolts but I think the range on my Hydro is better than this EXe.
@@sourpatch3855 Depends how efficient it is but I would agree that an ep8rs, running at say 33NM (trail mode, profile 1) will give a lot more range on a 540Wh battery than this new motor at a similar setting with 360Wh. The range of the Hydro series is the primary reason I got that over the carbon models. Rumor has it that the carbon rise will get the 540Wh next year. If Shimano can quiet the rattle can EP8 then that could still be a killer bike..
@@Roaming50 I guess we never really use anything outside of boost. Range is definitely subjective though depending on all the variables. I took the Trek out for an hour spin on one of local loops, only about 13 miles, a couple hundred feet of elevation and returned with 51% battery. Granted I was just casually cruising so usage was low. We'll see how things keep going the more time we spend on the Fuel. If Orbea does that, the Carbon model will continue to be a force to be reckon with.
@@TheLoamWolf- I really want to know what its like riding with NO assist, like if I took the battery out and went to ride it for the day where e -bikes aren't allowed to go (non motorized areas) what's it like? How much drag in the motor do you perceive , I know it will be about 4.5 lbs heavier than my analog bike with no battery , but what's it like to spend time pedaling the motor with no assist, is there any guidance from TQ that says dont do to much of that?
Do you think getting an EXe 9.8 XT would be waaaaay too overkill for a beginner-ish guy? I could afford it and it just feels like that extra cost might be worth it in the long run :O.
@@TheLoamWolf No the the extra cost being worth it or no to the overkilliness? Haha. Thanks for the reply anyways 😀. I almost returned to riding dirt bmx again after a looong hiatus but damn, emtb seems so effin sweet.
@@k______________________ Hey at that price range have you considered the Pivot Shuttle SL? 10 more nm of torque, 70 more watt hours of battery. For a bit more you could get the X01 kit with fox factory suspension (and the SLX/XT is just slightly less), I'm curious about the Exe but if I had that money I'd want to try the Shuttle SL. And no it's not overkill for anyone it'd be a gate way drug lol The price is on par with most other bike builds and it's perfect mid suspension numbers for anyone going anywhere new or battle hardened. Downside is non-removeable battery for lighter weight, vs Relay will be removeable. After I see the first reviews of the new Fazua ride 60 bikes I'm probably buying an Exe, Shuttle SL, or waiting for the Transition Relay myself... if I can wait (I really can't lol). Or going with a full power idk!
I think the market wants them, it most likely has more to do with the battery size not being there just yet in this category. Most places where these bikes shine, usually involve longer, steeper climbs which would decimate the life of the small batteries that are currently available. Given how quick the category is evolving though, wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing more lightweight, big travel ebikes in the next couple years.
can someone explain to me aside from all those extra features enabled by electronics, why do we really actually need motor for mtb when most people are riding by gravity?
He will probably be happy either way. I absolutely love my rise. But I welcome as many new light ebike options as possible in the market. Though the ORBEA does seem to be a lower cost.
I am new to E bikes and was wondering if these bikes can be ridden when the battery dies, I like to go out for quite a few hours do this could be an issue that may prevent me from getting one. Cheers
I have a Rocky Mountain and Love it due to Frame looks Normal, but that is a Gamechanger!!! Can Anyone tell Me the Overall Weight as missed that bit, 🤔 ta, and Well Done TREK!!!
We wouldn't put it head to head with full power eebs. Now if we are talking among the lightweight offerings currently available, it's right at the top. Personally would probably opt for the GX AXS build though without all the Whiz's. -Sean
For me (Sean), it's the drive unit. The quietness and power delivery of the TQ system is unmatched in the lightweight world (right now). The frame also doesn't feel as stiff/harsh as the Carbon Rise from my experience on the two. Drew can bring in his two cents if he sees this comment.
@@TheLoamWolf Cool thank you. Yes Drew, I want your thoughts too… This sector seems to really have found its place now. The Levo SL was great but too niche (the only ebike in the UK that has consistently been in stock even through covid/lockdowns etc!) but with this, the Rise and the new Pivot Shuttle SL, I can see this potentially being the way I personally go. I hear the new Levo SL will be announced in September though… 👀
Oh no... My complaints about e-bikes are barely viable anymore. If things keep going this way I'll want one soon. I just spent all my spendable savings a new all mountain
Thats part of the shock whiz system. It's so you can see the flashing LED indicator to know if your pressure is where you want it, or if you need to add/release air pressure.
We hardly ever notice it since we tend to not be pedaling once we are up to speed downhill. It's more of a nuisance when we are drag racing up the climb roads. That said, if you do find yourself hitting the limiter pedaling downhill, just turn the assist off or power the bike off and it won't be an issue.
What's it like on steep climbs. If I do get an ebike I want it for the ease of climbing and to make the climbs fun again.On long rides my legs do give out.
Its solid on the steeps, but the battery is going to be eaten up fast. Depending how long the climb is is going to dictate how many runs your going to get in. the extender is almost going to need to be a must have.
@@egbah428 If you want to stick with Trek, yeah, that would be the way to go. You'll get way more laps in that way and it'll be a tad easier on steeper climbs.
Do you really want a motor that is totally silent? If you do technical climbs it´s pretty nice to know where the motor is at the moment especially with the lighter e-bikes where the right gear is extra crucial. With full power it doesn´t matter so much is my experience...
It climbs decently well, but there is a more rider effort required, however, you won't want to ride it with your full powered ebike friends (check out our Fuel EXe vs Rail video if you haven't already). Riding an "SL" ebike kind of requires a different mindset. As far as range goes, we can't really answer as so many variables can effect the range. That said, the TQ motor at the moment isn't the most efficient when it comes to power consumption as say the Fazua or RS Tuned shimano motors.
@@TheLoamWolf Damn good response. Exactly what I was wondering. Cheers, and appreciate the input and in-depth review. So in a lot of ways these are going to be "gateway" ebikes for the "purists" out there who can't quite accept riding a proper ebike yet hahah
It's the max Trek says will work / doesn't void the warranty. You could probably fit a 170 if you want to, it'll just slack it out more...but could have adverse effects on rear suspension performance.
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It will be interesting to see how that type motor holds up in the long term. Stoked to see all of these newer and smaller motor innovations.
I was literally about to pull the trigger on an Orbea Rise M10, and then woke up to see 3 videos about this bike all dropping the same day, so I guess the bike search is gonna be a little longer 😁
The silent and discrete design of the motor (you can’t even really see the motor behind the cranks!) is super appealing to me. After riding a SC Heckler this past weekend I realized I don’t want an overpowered e-MTB. Even on eco it felt like I wasn’t really working for it at all, which I didn’t realize I was gonna miss. I just want enough boost to where I don’t feel like throwing up after a serious ascent, can do a couple laps instead of having to call it a day after 1, and have the option to turn down/off the boost when I’m riding with my analogue riding friends
I absolutely love my Rise M10.
Heh I ended up picking up an M10 today. I considered whether I wanted to wait for my LBS to get them in (a couple months) along with the unknown track record of the new motor in the Trek. The specs of the M10 are killer for the price too
@@walamoonbeam Yep and the specs were even better before the duel price increase by Orbea and all brands. I've been riding my M10 for just over a year now and still digging it more with each ride. I definitely want to demo this Trek, the new Pivot SL and when the new Levo SL comes out, but I'm not in any hurry to get rid of my Rise as it's that good.
Hahaha SAME EXACT BOAT, what are you going to do now?
You are coming in loud and clear. Big and clunky is still big and clunky even if you have a motor onboard. I like the idea of the Rise over the SL ... and the Levo over the Kenvo ... and the Power Play is to much .. So here I am stuck between the Levo or the Rise
This motor alone just seems so cool… Not to mention this bike looks like a normal MTB. I’d love to throw a leg over one of these some day. My only concern was long term reliability but I only needed to hear one thing. Mars Rover.
People have done over 2k km on them and they're still quiet and strong motors
Good to see this. I very much hope there is progression in the e-bike light category, as it’s where I intend to go in the next 3-4 years.
I would love to see a head-to-head with the Orbea Rise.
I’m hearing the Rise has more power. But these guys know the Rise well and can comment. I love my Rise. I also heard the Trek is heavier too.
Rise weighs 21kg lmao this weighs 19
Nice! I like this trend of smaller lower powered ebikes that are lighter and more like a mountain bike.
I routinely ride my EXe without any assistance and only use juice on long steep climbs. Love this thing. I use it to even out the load. I work little harder on the flats due to the few extra pounds and work less on the steep climbs.
Bike looks very nice. Exciting things in the ebike world.
3:41 - ...super tech... futuristic...whoa.
Awesome to see companies jump on the lightweight eMTB train. Question: how does the Trek compare to the Orbea Rise??
100% I'd bet he will get there.. at some point doing a Shoot-out. That is if all the other aspects of this bike keeps it in fore-front, or even just the ballpark, of the Rise and the SL (levo)
AWESOME: Even more important: this internal Cam-drive motor should, should, lend itself to a **fully integral TRANSMISSION** inside the motor. Changing the external size of the internal ring would give a higher speed on the output ring. Seriously!! How many rings can he fit inside, and still have the mech needed for swapping rings (shifting in effect)? As an R&D engineer myself I am EXCITED , to say the least.
damn daaaaayuuum...so sik. The Wolf with the scoop. 🤘
Nice video! Will definitely watch the long term review. I would like to know how it climbs compared to the Trek Rail, meaning if someone on a Rail would roast me uphill.
A long term comparison to the Pivot Shuttle SL would also be nice. Ride on!
I love mountain biking and moto. I think all of us mtbers and moto enduro guys have more fun than everyone else on the planet. But good heavens,These prices are just out of control for the ebikes and new Amish bikes. For 12k, I’m buying a 2022 gasgas ex250f and 2022 salsa blackthorn with a few upgrades, which I did earlier this year. Lol. 12k for a bike , Insanity completely insane. At some point, when I decide to starve myself for a month I’m buying a ebike. It’s too hot to starve myself right now, maybe this fall.
You need to to do a comparison with the Orbea rise. They are clearly putting this up against that.
I’d love to see that as well since I love my Rise and was thinking of buying another. I’d love more light e bikes to choose from
@@KurtRWalker same here. Since owning my Rise, I haven’t even looked at another ebike but that’s just changed. I wish Trek could have squeezed another 10nm out of the motor to match the Rise but the lack of noise could be the nail in coffin.
@@chrisjones6699 I have been looking for another light e bike to add to the stable and was excited about this so we will see. I do like who Orbea is a as a company as well.
TQ has been working with Haibike for a while, just at the other end of the spectrum, on the FLYON series with 120Nm motor. Will be instesting to see a comparison of this Trek with the Orbea Rise and the bikes with the new Fazua (once they release them).
In english !!! Thank you for this first feedback on the Fuel EXE in the most advanced and therefore the most expensive version. Could you test a Fuel EXE 9.5 and a Rise M20. Both bikes are the same price.
We'll ask Trek and Orbea if that's something we can do. Always tough getting the more "affordable" options as they usually sell out the quickest and aren't always set aside for media for that reason.
Definitely the best looking E-Bike I've seen so far. And it's only about 4KG heavier than my Norco Torrent hardtail! I want one :D
Can’t wait to see that tq motor into a road bike and a light weight xc bike
I've been researching for a few days and this is very close to the top of my list. I'm unfortunately between sizes at 6'2". Will need to go and check it out in person
Been waiting for a new e-mtb motor. Interested in your feed back about the new motor over the longe term.
Looks pretty sweet, I sold my levo sl for lack of power. Curious to see where it sits between full fatty and levo sl.
Hi Team, whats the summary comparison v the Orbea Rise?
Buen video Drew! Genial, congrats Trek !!
The trek looks amazing, however Orbea Rise H (alloy) is such a good value when looking at a lower weight ebike! Has 540wh battery + 252wh extender = 792wh total. Built mine with alloy dt swiss 1501 hx wheels, xt drivetrain, inserts, 4 piston brakes, weighs in 45lbs. And then price is half of some of these treks and specialized!
@@andythealien1 cheaper is cheaper eh. I would gladly save 10% all the time. And I think Orbea is a better company overall
Amen
I think your missing the point. @andy.
The orbea alloy comes with a bigger battery size which is significant considering the carbon Orbea comes with the same size battery as this trek. So you would actually be getting less of a bike, if what you wanted was more range. And what’s the difference honestly on an E bike between XT components and XTR, the performance is identical, and a couple hundred grams is lost in the battery and motor anyways.
Yeah, this idea of selling bikes from 6-13k is ridiculous… My first fuel was 4k, ….and that was my last fuel….
That Fuel also didn't have a motor...
Excited that it looks like there is no knock block!
We didn't change. We just got older. That's why my wife and I got a Rail. I agree on one thing; the Rail has sometimes too much power and you need to learn to control the force, young Rail Padawan. The noise and weight never bothered me really. If we are looking for a good ole' style, close-to-a-heart-attack experience, we just take our Fuel Ex for a spin.
TQ made the flyon motors for haibike ...I got it and its amazing ... Good company
Game changer in eMTB
Perfect e-bike that is also foldable.
not going to lie this is an amazing bike! wow
Certainly an accomplishment to achieve light weight and so few dB but I remain unclear who this bike is for. Not being snarky - it’s more a suggestion to Trek or Loam Wolf. I’ve demo’d a half dozen full power eMTBs and if I invest in one, it will almost certainly be one with a higher-output motor and a larger battery. To read that this Trek might go a half hour on full boost pretty much rules it out for my local terrain. Again, I am not a hater, but instead a thoughtful critic. I suppose this will probably be a really really cool bike for people with 1,000’ max climb days. Good for them - the more people on bikes, the better, as I see it.
I'd like to know how it rides without the battery (ie a "normal" mtb). Maybe do some park laps?
well it's light bike so it should be fine but the price is insane
@MTB Express yes it is a normal bike has around 14.88kg so it's just 4kg more compared to bigger batteries and bigger motors which have 23+ kg so yeah it's light
I love that the first thing people do is complain about the price of the HIGHEST model available... He clearly said they offer a 6k version base model.
I'd like to know the level of tuning available with that new motor.. Especially in the assist realm.
Thanks Jake.
And we will take time to play with the adjustability levels and report on that.
@@TheLoamWolf Sounds good! We have a Trek store here in San Diego, I'll def have to check one out! Keep dropping that fire content boys.
🙏🏻 we’ll do our best!
$6,500. I'd be less offended if that was the model that came with SLX, Fox 36, and Float X, instead of RockShox 35 and Deore. I'd have even be interested in it if that was the case. But they should have released some 160/150 low-mid all mtn specs as well as that is what I would want
Highest spec model is more expensive than a Yamaha R6.
I love my ebike! (Turbo Levo). We all need to be pushing HARD to get these things (Class 1) allowed on ALL biking trails. The US Forest Disservice was moronic (or malicious) in how they classified them so as to auto-ban them pretty much everywhere.
Hopefully the Republicans and Trump gets back in the office and this will be turned around
Waiting for the review with the 160mm fork! Overall, this bike is awesome, although I ride longer travel Emtb!
Really like this idea of midrange e-bikes that are more Mtnbike than e-bike. Nephew has a ebike for hunting that’s heavy and feels more like an underpowered motorcycle almost. Tho the fact it also has a trailer to pull deer out with I guess it needs it. The pricing for the EXe is a bit sigh inducing. Considering my last bike was $1800 I think years ago
Good review love, it good bike too i think the new lightweight emtbs are a great second ebike to have. Plus tq have done an ebike motor before on the haibike flyon 120nm fyi
As an owner of a Rise carbon I think this could be interesting for those that want an absolutely quiet ebike. The real questions right now is range, power delivery and reliability . This weighs more than I thought it would considering the whole package of the TQ motor and battery weighs the same as the EP8 motor without the battery. The frame on this must be quite beefy.
The reason this particular build weighs more than the rise is due to the whiz's. The EXe XTR build actually weight less at 38.5 lbs. With all the lightweight ebikes on the horizon, it may almost be time for an SL shootout.
@@TheLoamWolf Would love to see that shootout!
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@@TheLoamWolf Hmmm? Could there be a new Specialized mid-power SL soon?
This was my surprise too. The weight compared to the m10 I have. I’m curious the power delivery difference between the two. I wouldn’t want less power
@@KurtRWalker I have the m10 as well. Peak torque is less at 50nm I read but that doesn’t mean so much when the Bosch CX gen 4 delivers the same 85nm much better than the ep8 85 nm and the brose 90nm so we will see.
Awesome review! I'm sold on the mid power EMTBs. Really curious how the TQ motor compares to the Fazua (New Pivot and Transition Relay) and to the old EP8 RS. Looking forward to switch from a full power Bosch CX4 to a mid power light weight EMTB.
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Super curious about this. I love my Rise and would love more light ebike options to choose from
From what you showed in the animation about the motor it most certainly existed before.
It's basically how hydraulic pumps work.
Great video- Cam is a legend
Legend!
AWESOME. Quiet rules. Is it really 50 newton meters? - asking because it's important.
What is the Range Average of this bike if I were use it to commute in NYC - Why you may ask? - The pot holes are getting bigger and there is more trafic every day
One question: why did I buy my first e mtb like 2 months too early? Damn one good looking bike, well done Trek
Didnt tq make the 120nm flyon motor in the haibike flyon?
Is there a (temporary) exclusivity agreement with Trek, or is the motor coming to other brands? Really keen a more all-mountain model 😬
Looks good definitely change to a 160 zeb or just fox 36.
What's it like to pedal above the cut off on flatish terrain? If you were doing an e-mtb race and you had to pedal at high intensity above the cut out, how much harder is than a similar travel analogue bike?
Awesome! How much drag is noticeable when riding without assist?
Merci pour ce premier retour concernant le Fuel EXE dans la version la plus évoluée et donc la plus chère. Pourriez-vous tester un Fuel EXE 9.5 et un Rise M20. Les deux vélos sont au même prix.
Interested on your further thoughts on this bike after having ridden it more - do you plan to do a further update?
Yes we do, stay tuned!
How's the drag past the motor cutout, does it let you ride faster than a full fat E bike would past the limit. This would be amazing.
Isane! Looks like ISIS drive splines so our existing BOSCHE Cranks will be compatible with this. Love all these "SL" style ebikes. Can't wait to test ride this one.
Right on. Very cool
I don’t like the name of the “ISIS” drive.
I currently have a gen 3 levo pro.
Really considering this bike.
What are your thoughts on the difference of how they ride?
Can you be just as aggressive with either bike?
For those .......who say "I don't ride and ebike, because I prefer to pedal" guess what, you actually pedal more with an ebike. While you're hike a biking up a tough or steep pitch, we're still pedaling our light weight ebike up the 20-22% grade.
Thanks for a great review. Do you know if this motor will be compatible with Garmin head unit like Shimano EP8? Thanks.
Glad to see more lightweight EBike! Has to be compared to the Specialized Turbo Levo SL and Kenevo SL. See Neil's review of the latter on GMBN. I own the Turbo Levo SL and it is the best contraption I've ever owned. I have no idea why you'd want more power if your aim is to have a bike that rides like a good MTB. A key is to keep the chainstays short, which they are not on the full power ebikes. Looks like this one does well there.
Horses for courses. I ride my MTB 80% of the time. My Ebike is for power hours and uplift days, for those sessions speed and power are important to me. We have a few guys out riding SLs with normal bikes, they really help if your fitness is lacking. No way an SL is keeping up with a group of full fat EBikes.
I have the levo sl , love it but 50nm is calling my name lol
@@jimbo4203 What attracts me is the claim of how quiet the Trek is.
@@koho im used to the sl now and dont even notice it after putting 2500 mi on it, but quiet is good
i like my 90nm bigmountain ebike. i not need a "light" ebike for downhill or to to carry uphill. allways good luck.
I've never been this early to a video before
Which bike to buy and why, Trek Fuel EXe 9.7 or the Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Carbon?
This bike deserves the Decoy name far more so than YT. lol.
😂 you're not wrong.
What is the objection with old guys riding an e bike in Bend? Seems unfair that they would deny access for people that are only using pedal assist for going up hills. Great review! Thanks
My pops lives up in Eugene. It might have something to do with the fact that the guy who runs their forestry division is extremely naive about them almost to the point of just being a straight hater.. The UK figured this out a long time ago.. just make class 1 the same restrictions as a regular bike. Period. Class 2 and 3 fall into the motorized trail category and move on.. It's almost too simple for gatekeepers to accept.
Can you tell me where you got that little brace for your hand I have similar issues?
I like the concept, the design, the motor.
The suspension specced on the 6.5k model is a disgrace though. Even the 8k model only gets Rhythm/Performance (because there's no cheaper shock I suppose). That's hard to justify.
This has been a ongoing trend for a long time now....getting less, and charging more.
To get the same quality bike that I purchased 10 years ago for $1600, you would now have to pay $9500. And you'd still be missing a front derailleur.
@@RK-kn1ud That's definitely a bit of an exaggeration.
Inflation is a thing and technology gets more expensive.
I doubt you were able to buy a near top spec e mtb for sub 2k 10 years ago.
I'm also not talking about things getting more expensive.
Right now, in this moment, you can get an Orbea Rise m10 with factory suspension for 8k, with a carbon frame, same size battery.
Also; who tf wants a front derailleur? 1x is superior by a longshot.
@@otisjordan5613 Most of the trails that l ride tend to have lots of fast downhill into steep climbs.
It is MUCH better to switch one gear on the front derailleur then it is to try to switch 11 gears in the rear before you load up the drivetrain.
The amount of people who only get halfway through the rear cassette before they stop and fall over is insane when rocking a 1x12. Then they gotta manually shift through six more gears, then balance themselves on a hillside while tryin to get started again.
@@otisjordan5613 The Trek FS bike I bought is actually 11 years old now...and has a full XTR groupset.
Love to see how these bikes compare. I love my Rise. Was thinking about a trek as another light e bike to get to keep in another city or to get my friends into the sport. I’ve heard the Rise is more powerful though and I would hope the Trek is the same weight. If not, ORBEA may be more value for cost.
Any rattling noise coming from the motor on free wheel?
At approx 7:35 into the video, "If you're on very quiet, you know, loamy, forest floor, you might hear it a touch more."
I was actually hoping that you'd demonstrate that. Sometimes when I'm riding up a hill and a group of roadies pass by, some of them just have to say it, "Cheater," because they can hear the motor whining.
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Rob did a review and spent more time on the sound. It’s pretty quiet until high cadence and still quiet compared to other ebikes
"Tell it to the finger."
@@robgoffroad LOL. Nahhh, last thing I want is a youtube video of me getting pummeled by a bunch of people in spandex because of the finger.
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@Kurt Walker: Thanks for the info. The motor is a bit whiney at high cadence like you said, but quiet otherwise.
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Drew, Can you offer a quick update? Impressions? Type of rider & trails this bike works best for? I just a few words?
Riders who either haven't adopted full power ebikes, or ebikers looking for a lighter, shorter-ranged eMTB that rides more like a traditional trail/all mountain rig. I like the longer travel fork up front. For me, i still prefer full power ebikes as i like the range, vertical, and All Boost All the Time mentality. BUT, it's a rad and fun bike.
@@TheLoamWolf Awesome summary! Thanks.
Now we just need a light weight 180 travel ebike! After riding a Santa Cruz Bullit on the legendary Downieville Downhill I am officialy ruined!
Love that ride.
I’ve noticed the whole range is carbon I wonder if they’ll do an aluminium version like Orbea have done with the rise or also a hardtail with this motor in it would be interesting
I would love to see the Fuel EXE vs the new Transition lite emtb. I like the stealth aspect and want to add something less powerful than my full fat for when riding with Amish bikes.
We'll try but i doubt we will be able to get a Transition. Any particular reason you want to see this compared to the Transition?
@@TheLoamWolf It would be a great comparison when the transition comes out. It seems like they are both the "mountain bikers" mountain bike. The transition being marketed to go well with or without the battery and then ive seen alot of people talking about pedaling this without the motor as well. And both being thrown around by team riders like they arnt an ebike as well. I think transition said theirs will run full 29 or mullet. Can you mullet the trek? If so these would be a good comparison for the almost more freeride emtb's
I know a totally different bike, with rhe Fuel-eX, but curious how handling and suspension handles and ride compared to the Rail….and Trek if you are listening, please bring back M/L sizing. At 5’10” (avg US male height), my large 20’ Rail fits me like a glove
It would be interesting to get a real world range test without the extender.
We will be doing that for sure b
What do you think of the range on the bike?
How does it pedal with motor off? And thru the 20mph governor?
This was something they said they were gonna start doing during reviews for the SL versions. Tuning and OFF. I hear the Levo SL is like riding a couple year old enduro. So that is a good thing being able to do everything with one bike.
Compare it against the Orbea Rise and take into account the cost! This is one expensive bike in the configuration you have. Motor I think is definitely better, my EP8rs sounds like a bag of loose bolts but I think the range on my Hydro is better than this EXe.
We have tested a Rise and currently have a Rise H for review. We will be doing just that.
The range on your Hydro is better, seeing as it comes with a 540wh battery and this bike only has 360wh.
@@sourpatch3855 Depends how efficient it is but I would agree that an ep8rs, running at say 33NM (trail mode, profile 1) will give a lot more range on a 540Wh battery than this new motor at a similar setting with 360Wh. The range of the Hydro series is the primary reason I got that over the carbon models. Rumor has it that the carbon rise will get the 540Wh next year. If Shimano can quiet the rattle can EP8 then that could still be a killer bike..
@@Roaming50 I guess we never really use anything outside of boost. Range is definitely subjective though depending on all the variables. I took the Trek out for an hour spin on one of local loops, only about 13 miles, a couple hundred feet of elevation and returned with 51% battery. Granted I was just casually cruising so usage was low. We'll see how things keep going the more time we spend on the Fuel.
If Orbea does that, the Carbon model will continue to be a force to be reckon with.
What is it like Vs a full power ebike like the Oso or Pivot LT?
awesome!
Thanks for watching.
@@TheLoamWolf- I really want to know what its like riding with NO assist, like if I took the battery out and went to ride it for the day where e -bikes aren't allowed to go (non motorized areas) what's it like? How much drag in the motor do you perceive , I know it will be about 4.5 lbs heavier than my analog bike with no battery , but what's it like to spend time pedaling the motor with no assist, is there any guidance from TQ that says dont do to much of that?
Do you know if you can fit a 150mm shock on this when you upgrade to 160mm fork?
i have the same thought.
Do you think getting an EXe 9.8 XT would be waaaaay too overkill for a beginner-ish guy? I could afford it and it just feels like that extra cost might be worth it in the long run :O.
We’ll just say this… no. Ha ha. But be prepared to absolutely get hooked on mountain biking after you do get one.
@@TheLoamWolf No the the extra cost being worth it or no to the overkilliness? Haha. Thanks for the reply anyways 😀. I almost returned to riding dirt bmx again after a looong hiatus but damn, emtb seems so effin sweet.
@@k______________________ Hey at that price range have you considered the Pivot Shuttle SL? 10 more nm of torque, 70 more watt hours of battery. For a bit more you could get the X01 kit with fox factory suspension (and the SLX/XT is just slightly less), I'm curious about the Exe but if I had that money I'd want to try the Shuttle SL. And no it's not overkill for anyone it'd be a gate way drug lol The price is on par with most other bike builds and it's perfect mid suspension numbers for anyone going anywhere new or battle hardened. Downside is non-removeable battery for lighter weight, vs Relay will be removeable. After I see the first reviews of the new Fazua ride 60 bikes I'm probably buying an Exe, Shuttle SL, or waiting for the Transition Relay myself... if I can wait (I really can't lol). Or going with a full power idk!
Why are we not getting more big travel, enduro geo light e bikes like the Kenevo SL? Is it just that the market doesn't want it?
I think the market wants them, it most likely has more to do with the battery size not being there just yet in this category. Most places where these bikes shine, usually involve longer, steeper climbs which would decimate the life of the small batteries that are currently available. Given how quick the category is evolving though, wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing more lightweight, big travel ebikes in the next couple years.
i do prefer full-fat ebikes weight of them and the endless grip you get :D
Fuel EXe or Orbea Rise?
can someone explain to me aside from all those extra features enabled by electronics, why do we really actually need motor for mtb when most people are riding by gravity?
Hmmm Trek EXE or Orbea Rise?.. what to do?..
I’m going Obrea rise. Lighter. More NM. Adjustable. Oh and waaaayyyy less money.
XTR build is as light as the high end orbea build. With GX AXS just as light.
The Rise is 36lbs. From what I’ve read the trek is 43lbs. Maybe I’m wrong. 🤷🏼♂️
The one we have is 40.x lbs, while the xtr build is 38.5 lbs (claimed). The Rise we had tested weighed in at 38.8lbs.
He will probably be happy either way. I absolutely love my rise. But I welcome as many new light ebike options as possible in the market. Though the ORBEA does seem to be a lower cost.
I am new to E bikes and was wondering if these bikes can be ridden when the battery dies, I like to go out for quite a few hours do this could be an issue that may prevent me from getting one.
Cheers
You can still ride them when they are dead, it's just gonna be a tiny bit more of a work out having to self-propel the additional weight.
I have a stupid question? If the battery on your ebike dies while riding can you just switch to regular riding if you know what I mean
You can continue riding it with the battery dead, its just gonna give you an extremely tough workout compared to riding an analog bike.
I have a Rocky Mountain and Love it due to Frame looks Normal, but that is a Gamechanger!!! Can Anyone tell Me the Overall Weight as missed that bit, 🤔 ta, and Well Done TREK!!!
The model we have have is a hair passed 40lbs, while the XTR build weighs in at about 38.5lbs.
Does anyone have any info WHEN will new Fuel Ex be released?
The external range extender is a nice feature. The main thing I want to know is how does this compare with those other bikes in the shootout.
We wouldn't put it head to head with full power eebs. Now if we are talking among the lightweight offerings currently available, it's right at the top. Personally would probably opt for the GX AXS build though without all the Whiz's. -Sean
@@TheLoamWolf What would put it over the Orbea Rise for you?
For me (Sean), it's the drive unit. The quietness and power delivery of the TQ system is unmatched in the lightweight world (right now). The frame also doesn't feel as stiff/harsh as the Carbon Rise from my experience on the two. Drew can bring in his two cents if he sees this comment.
Definitely something to talk about in the follow up video. That is one of the big comparisons I want to hear about.
@@TheLoamWolf Cool thank you. Yes Drew, I want your thoughts too…
This sector seems to really have found its place now. The Levo SL was great but too niche (the only ebike in the UK that has consistently been in stock even through covid/lockdowns etc!) but with this, the Rise and the new Pivot Shuttle SL, I can see this potentially being the way I personally go. I hear the new Levo SL will be announced in September though… 👀
Can the shock be extended to get closer to 150mm?
Oh no... My complaints about e-bikes are barely viable anymore. If things keep going this way I'll want one soon. I just spent all my spendable savings a new all mountain
What is the deal with the strange air cap on the fork? I have not seen it before..
Thats part of the shock whiz system. It's so you can see the flashing LED indicator to know if your pressure is where you want it, or if you need to add/release air pressure.
On the downhill with the ebike how are you dealing with the speed limiter?
We hardly ever notice it since we tend to not be pedaling once we are up to speed downhill. It's more of a nuisance when we are drag racing up the climb roads. That said, if you do find yourself hitting the limiter pedaling downhill, just turn the assist off or power the bike off and it won't be an issue.
What's it like on steep climbs. If I do get an ebike I want it for the ease of climbing and to make the climbs fun again.On long rides my legs do give out.
Its solid on the steeps, but the battery is going to be eaten up fast. Depending how long the climb is is going to dictate how many runs your going to get in. the extender is almost going to need to be a must have.
@@sourpatch3855 so probably still better off getting a 720 rail 9.8xt spec ebike?
@@egbah428 If you want to stick with Trek, yeah, that would be the way to go. You'll get way more laps in that way and it'll be a tad easier on steeper climbs.
Orbea Rise H if you need more range than this. Rail is heavy for steep climbing.
Rail is only a couple pounds heavier than the Rise H10, and probably close to even on the other H models.
Do you really want a motor that is totally silent? If you do technical climbs it´s pretty nice to know where the motor is at the moment especially with the lighter e-bikes where the right gear is extra crucial. With full power it doesn´t matter so much is my experience...
You dont know TQ HPR 120S in usa ? SPITZING EVOLUTION R-Pedelec? or haibike ?
I can get a Ducati(not Honda) scrambler for $ 9100 you guys are keeping these prices high by willing to pay these ridiculous prices thanks a lot !
Soooo how does it climb and how long does it last compared to a real ebike?
It climbs decently well, but there is a more rider effort required, however, you won't want to ride it with your full powered ebike friends (check out our Fuel EXe vs Rail video if you haven't already). Riding an "SL" ebike kind of requires a different mindset.
As far as range goes, we can't really answer as so many variables can effect the range. That said, the TQ motor at the moment isn't the most efficient when it comes to power consumption as say the Fazua or RS Tuned shimano motors.
@@TheLoamWolf Damn good response. Exactly what I was wondering. Cheers, and appreciate the input and in-depth review. So in a lot of ways these are going to be "gateway" ebikes for the "purists" out there who can't quite accept riding a proper ebike yet hahah
Is 160mm the max travel on the fork or can I do 170mm?
It's the max Trek says will work / doesn't void the warranty. You could probably fit a 170 if you want to, it'll just slack it out more...but could have adverse effects on rear suspension performance.
Save your money and just buy a rail. As an insider who knows some of the problems, recalls, and issues with the exe, I would 100% buy a rail.