RIP to the great Goldikova. Will always consider myself lucky to have attended the 2010 BC when Goldikova won her third straight BC Mile. She was so great. RIP.
She is just so much more interesting than Zenyatta. She may have lost more than one race, but she's been around the world, raced on different surfaces, and against the boys. Goldikova is bloody awesome.
Zarkava has done this is extraordinary and I remain confident that we have seen a filly to legend, the best for a very long time! gold is a beautiful mare 1 miles I would have liked to see cons Rock of Gibraltar was for me the best miler before her for 20 years. lol!
@bluetiege I totally agree with that what we are looking at is a mare in Goldi with 8 wins vs males, Rachel has 3 wins vs males, easily the most impressive females we've seen on the track in a very long time, taking on males and beating them consistently is what a true test of a champion race mare. Kudos to her connections for not being scared to take on and beat the best over and over again, not ducking due to surface or wanting to take on optional claimers or allowance horses. HOY Goldikova
Remarkable win from a remarkable mare. Still think that Zarkava is the best filly/mare I have ever seen though she always had the better of Goldikova, But what this mare as done since is nothing short of exceptional and she thoroughly deserves everything she gets after this shes utterly brilliant! Never dodged the opposition and consistently beat them...
@ASupremeOwl , these are just a few of the giants of our sport that proved them self as older horse on many different tracks, their owners should be applauded for keeping them in training and not packing them off to the paddock at the first opportunity. Yes Zarkava was a great horse on one track for one season, See The Stars was better because he won in Ireland, England and France, he was a colt so it is understandable that he went to stud.
@dessiesdoneit ..and that of her trainer H.Cecil in Bosra Sham.Look at the fillies he trained from Oh So Sharp to Ramruma to Midday and he rates her the best horse he ever trained.Her Champion Stakes/Prince Of Wales Stakes victories were devastating and she was the best looking filly you will ever see.The argument could go on and on but to me the greatest fillies of all time are the legendry Pretty Polly and Sceptre whose records will never be equalled.
when she wins in 2011 they certainly should give her HOY for her 4 years of domination, without avoiding anyone or any track,something z never did yet was awarded the top prize---nothing else need to be said----
@ASupremeOwl the paddock look at other great mares Time Charter 2nd in the Guinness, Oaks winner, King George winner, Dubai Champion Stakes winner, Champion mare for 3 seasons, top class brood mare. Pebbles first try at 1 1/2m smashed the course record in Breeders Cup by 1 1/5 seconds in a time of 2.27 seconds, she was awarded the Eclipse Award on the back of that 1 run, Ouija Board won G1 races all over the world against colts including the Hong Kong Vase, Oaks,Breeders and many more >>
Agreed. I think she reached the top of her peak with this race. But that's horse racing for you. You never know how the horse is going to do the next year unless you actually race them.
@kelletman ha yeah it meant to be cows, No idea where sun came from there. IMO Zarkava is the best filly I've seen for a long long time. Theres no point comparing Zarkava and Goldikova because Zarkava retired at a different age, I can only go on when She was racing Goldikova when she was a 3 year old and she didnt lose in the time they met. Zarkava beat Goldikova at a mile which is Goldikova's specialist distance these days. Then Zarkava won the Diane and Arc two of frances classic races...
@kingsindiandefence Agreed it was an impressive performance. Not sure though that Churchill Downs would suit him though. Who know how good he'll be come the BC's next year. He's still got a ways to go before you culd mention hi in te same breath as Goldkova though.
@dessiesdoneit Totally agree. I couldn't help but feel disappointed when they were both retired after a combined career of 14 starts. I understood that Harbinger was forced to retire. But STS & Zarkava were both sound. Let them race on I say! The sport needs it's idols. I for 1 would have loved to have seen what she'd have done at 4. Same with STS. One horse that I think will be very interesting to see next year is So Yo Think the Aus champ. IMO the next big thing at 10F, if AO is any good.
@kingsindiandefence Id imagine Frankel will comee over for a BC race, afterall he is named after a famous American trainer. The worry id have are the tracks they have over there, there very tight left handed tracks. First of all Frankel has never raced left handed, and secondly it takes a very versatile horse to act on American tracks, as they are ridiculously sharp. Goldikova apears to thrive on these tracks, wether Frankel or even Canford Cliffs will, only time will tell.
@kelletman Duke of Marmalade in the Arc, Aswell as Henry the Navigator and New Approach both group one winners. How timeform rated Curlin higher than Zarkava is beyond Me, He wouldnt have been able to stay in her slipstream in the her 3 year old year. Besides the point, Both Goldi and Zarkava are brilliant fillys. I look forward to following the flat season again next year, Fingers crossed that Frankel is as good as everyone thinks He is, I've followed him with interest and Im very hopeful..
@kelletman Zarkava proved herself over many distances and won and that for Me makes her the better of the two. Goldikova is without doubt the best miler I've seen but like I said earlier we can't say what else Zarkava would have done she was retired and quite rightly, She was the best horse in the world at the time. Goldikova carried on and as made herself a racing legend and I can't say anymore that that..
@BlackHorse0688 No mate that goes to Zarkava, Remember Zarkava always had the better of her. What she as done since is remarkable though and I take My hat off to her...
@dessiesdoneit It's definitely a rarely run distance in Europe, but Manduro, Falbrav and Observatory have all won the D'Ispahan in the last 10 years, so good horses do run over the distance, however rare it is. And I know Byword was catching Goldikova in the final 100m but she still won handily enough. Maybe I'm being overoptimistic and going on how strongly she sees 8f out.
@ASupremeOwl I agree with you up to a point, Zarkava did win from a mile to 1 1/2m but she was a massive 3 year old and was getting the full weight for age allowance from the older horses, If I had my way the Derby and Arc would be for 4 year olds and upwards then we would see who was the best, no horse needs to retire as a 3 year old 99% of the time it is done for commercial reasons only, I can understand the reasons behind retiring a colt but the fillies can earn as much on the track than in>
@ASupremeOwl Goldikova as improved tremendously since Zarkava beat her in the Poule and that race was not as cut and dry as some people try to make out, it is unfair to keep saying Goldie was put in her place by Zarkava, when F Head said himself that Goldikova was more backward than Zarkava as a 3 year old, some people wish to boost Zarkava form on the back of Goldi archievements at 4 & 5, but Goldi at 4 & 5 would have distroyed the Goldi in that Poule, so you cannot compare the 2 now.
@dessiesdoneit Agree Zarkava was a wonderful athlete but she was always going to peak as a 3yo due to her size.She practically looked like a colt and eventhough as you say Goldikova won the BC as a 3yo I don't think Zarkava would have had it all her own way had they met as 4 and 5yolds.To me though Zarkava isn't the best filly in our generation.That accolade goes to Pebbles who in her 5yo season beat the winners of the Derby,Arc,Juddemont ,Irish Champion,English Champion,Oaks,Arlington Million..
@dessiesdoneit ..Hollywood Gold Cup and Breeders Cup Turf and incidently was rated 135 by Timeform.Zarkava was rated 132.Only Allez France was rated higher on 136.Just wish Zarkava's connections came to England so we could have seen her in the flesh(same as Zenyatta I suppose)but I do understand her retirement as so many brilliant 3yo fillies don't really train on.It's the unfurnished 3yolds such as Goldikova and Midday that do.Also though I don't think Zarkava was better than my poersonal fav..
@Nucleo85Torino She was brilliant Nucleo and has just given birth to a healthy colt by the greatest, STS.However,I would personally have Zarkava about 4th or 5th in the rankings.My reasons are stated below,just go back a page or two.Regards.
..did in her first 19.If I thought an American horse was superior I would say so.The best horses in the late 90's and early 2000's were U.S and I have NO problem saying so.Things now though are different and some credit where credit is due would be at least a start.Zen is a superb horse but there is nothing at all to show how she is the best mare around when she was so over protected in her career.For pure pace Goldikova would have gobbled her up.Her acceleration was majestic beating the BEST.
@emmelby Comparitively speaking she was well ahead of Zenyatta. And she was soundly beaten each time by Zarkava, who received a high RPR 2 lbs less than Goldikova. Work that one out. I guess they think she improved since the went head to head? Damn therehave been some great females in the last few years. Zarkava, Goldikova, Zenyatta, Sunline, Makybe Diva, Rachel Alexandra, Black Caviar.... when are they going to rethink the set-weights imposts? ;)
Well FYI they got beat all weekend, inclusive of turf, Bekhabad, Debussy, Together, Flood Plain, Midday, Miss Keller, Red Desire, Hibaayeb, amongst others got whooped over and over again, if theyre so great you think they might compete a little better on TURF.
@emmelby It's not a crazy idea but it wouldn;t solve the problem. All that would happen is that riders who presently are "naturally" 65kg that can't make sub-55kg allowances would replace the existing riders that are naturally 60kg's and have to use diuretics and the like to make light weights. The current system also provides opportunities for apprentices and young riders on the light-weight chance. It's a good idea in theory, but in practice it would only create different problems.
Goldikova is the best miler on grass. Period. Could she beat other horses at a longer distance and on dirt? Doesn't matter. I doubt those horses could beat her on the grass at a mile so the argument is a wash IMO. This is her speciality and she is the best.
@ASupremeOwl It was Goldikova who beat Henrythenavigator not Zarkave, then Henry went on to finish in front of Curling in the BCC. New Aproach never ran against Zarkava, yes Zarkava did beat Duke of Marmalade but DOM did not run up to his best in the Arc as Solder of Fortune 12/1 It's Gino 150/1 and Ask 33/1 also finished infont of Duke Of Marmalade in that years Arc, I am not saying Zarkava was a very good horse but she was wrapped in cotton wool compared to many horses and retired early.
It's too bad the BC is no longer on NBC, I miss it so much and all the other races they used to have. I never had cable, never will. I am sick of football and basketball, especially college. They arn't even pros, who cares unless you know someone there.
Is it me or does it seem like Goldikova runs these days as if she stays further? She was backward in her 3yo days and maybe, just maybe she'll get 10f. She did set a track record over a distance just over 9f this year, so maybe.....
@ASupremeOwl Zarkava only once beat Godi over a mile, but thad day Godi was a real madam, she did throw the Jockey at the start refused to go into the stalls and was down on her nose when the gates opened she was lucky to get back in the race at all but she came second, the only other time these 2 horses met was over 11F a distance Goldi does not stay, Zarkava was a very big filly for her age but Goldi was not, Zarkava never raced out side of France and only once raced away from Longchamp >>>
@bgardiner2000 Zarkava = amazing! I'm not going to rise to the imposts bait, because I actually agree with you. A mare Sunline's size could quite easily cruise around with a wee mare's weight on her back. For a giant like Zenyatta, it'd be lke a horsefly. Personally, I'd be happy if all weights went up, regardless of the quality of the field. I'm more concerned about the use of drugs amongst jockeys trying to keep weight down. It's not like a horse can't carry 5kg more.
@ASupremeOwl Should that be cows not sun? never mind, Zharkava remained undefeated like you said, but she retired as a 3 year old where as Goldi stayed in training and proved her self at 4 & 5 and her owners deserve alot of credit for that unlike the owners of Zarkava who was a course specialist at Longchamp then packed of to stud at the first opportunity, it is very unfair to keep bringing Goldi 3 year old form up as she is not the same horse and as proved that time and time again.
@bgardiner2000 The current system gives young riders a go, but by raising the weights, it limits the bleeding you get when those riders age and are no longer able to manage light weights. It wouldn't have a huge impact on apprentices, a 4kg claim is still 4kg, whether you're meant to be carrying 55 or 60. I'm not talking about diuretics, I'm talking about meth and speed. It's an issue that is ignored, until someone gets caught and made an example of, then it gets swept under the rug again.
Careful europeans to jumping off the cliff with jumping up and down about your Euro group of horses because on the whole Breeders cup weekend, they got beaten down. There was something like 17 Euro, Japanese, and S american shippers and Goldikova was the only winner
@kelletman We can argue to the sun comes home about who the better was, The facts remain that Zarkava retired undefeated. Beat Goldikova in there one meet over a mile at the first time of asking, Was the first filly to win the Arc in nearly 15 years aswell as two classics to her name and 5 group ones in her career retiring on a timeform rating of 133 exactly the same as Goldi who as won more group ones. I dont like to take anything away from Goldi Im a big fan. Its just IMO Zarkava was better...
@kelletman Zarkava would have probably won in Ireland or England had she raced there... How can You say she might not have? Anyone who crossed her was disposed off and I am confident in saying she would have done that on any track in Europe. Ouija Board was a brilliant horse but as timeform shows Zarkava is rated on par with Indian Skimmer and Miesque now that is high company both better horses than anyone You have just named. I mean the mighty Zarkava disposed of 5 time group one winner...
I had the exacta $1,979.60. See it Jimfromearth . I forgot to bring my SS card had to come back but so what. In hit a few other good exactas but this one was real nice.
@duhru4real GREATEST ZENYATTA would have been destroyed if she ran in shorter races,so fucking what?GREATEST ZENYATTA would have been destroyed had she raced over further,so fucking what?Both of them ran over their preferred trip on their preferred surface.One won,one lost.Tough shit.
...are on this side of the Atlantic then we'll have more time for you.Sea The Stars would have to have given Zenyatta nearly a stone in a handicap yet you lot slaughter him for not going to the vastly overrated BC.Why the fuck didn't the Mosses have some real balls and go to last years Arc?He was the best so all comers to his crown should have to go to him,not go to race a mare who was nearly a stone inferior.The Arc is worth more money than the Classic and STS won more in 9 races than Zen....
RIP to the great Goldikova. Will always consider myself lucky to have attended the 2010 BC when Goldikova won her third straight BC Mile. She was so great. RIP.
Goldikova's heart and spirit will not be diminished by her untimely passing. She is one for the ages. Fly free, beautiful girl!
She is so good and she made it look so easy. A true Legend.
2019.08.20 who is watching the best of the best my goldikova
Man, she is a fierce competitor and just amazing!
She is just so much more interesting than Zenyatta. She may have lost more than one race, but she's been around the world, raced on different surfaces, and against the boys. Goldikova is bloody awesome.
RIP Goldi.Even the great Wise Dan could not equal your record.
Best miler and turf mare EVER. Awesome. Amazing. Wonderful. True champion. Love you Goldi
Truly awesome performance in the stretch! Wow!
What a great mare. ..Its too bad that many people in the US don't give her as much credit as she deserves...Absolutely Phenomenal!
and Goldikova makes the hat-trick!! Go Goldikova!! :D
What a great racehorse, RIP Goldie 1-5-21
Tiny mare...Big heart
Rip goldie you were a great mare
Best miler ever IMO and a true champion. To quote last year's race, "Goldikova is just such a lady!"
WOW!! What a GREAT mare!
Long live the Queen
Zarkava has done this is extraordinary and I remain confident that we have seen a filly to legend, the best for a very long time! gold is a beautiful mare 1 miles I would have liked to see cons Rock of Gibraltar was for me the best miler before her for 20 years. lol!
Love my French mare GOLDIKOVA FOR EVER XXXXXXXX
There goes the Wild Irishwoman good for Goldikova she deserved every single one of those wins
I hope she comes back to breeders' again! And if she does i'll be rooting!
Fantastic!
Thanks for this
@bluetiege I totally agree with that what we are looking at is a mare in Goldi with 8 wins vs males, Rachel has 3 wins vs males, easily the most impressive females we've seen on the track in a very long time, taking on males and beating them consistently is what a true test of a champion race mare. Kudos to her connections for not being scared to take on and beat the best over and over again, not ducking due to surface or wanting to take on optional claimers or allowance horses. HOY Goldikova
Remarkable win from a remarkable mare. Still think that Zarkava is the best filly/mare I have ever seen though she always had the better of Goldikova, But what this mare as done since is nothing short of exceptional and she thoroughly deserves everything she gets after this shes utterly brilliant! Never dodged the opposition and consistently beat them...
@ASupremeOwl , these are just a few of the giants of our sport that proved them self as older horse on many different tracks, their owners should be applauded for keeping them in training and not packing them off to the paddock at the first opportunity. Yes Zarkava was a great horse on one track for one season, See The Stars was better because he won in Ireland, England and France, he was a colt so it is understandable that he went to stud.
Yes.
@dessiesdoneit ..and that of her trainer H.Cecil in Bosra Sham.Look at the fillies he trained from Oh So Sharp to Ramruma to Midday and he rates her the best horse he ever trained.Her Champion Stakes/Prince Of Wales Stakes victories were devastating and she was the best looking filly you will ever see.The argument could go on and on but to me the greatest fillies of all time are the legendry Pretty Polly and Sceptre whose records will never be equalled.
when she wins in 2011 they certainly should give her HOY for her 4 years of domination, without avoiding anyone or any track,something z never did yet was awarded the top prize---nothing else need to be said----
@ASupremeOwl the paddock look at other great mares Time Charter 2nd in the Guinness, Oaks winner, King George winner, Dubai Champion Stakes winner, Champion mare for 3 seasons, top class brood mare. Pebbles first try at 1 1/2m smashed the course record in Breeders Cup by 1 1/5 seconds in a time of 2.27 seconds, she was awarded the Eclipse Award on the back of that 1 run, Ouija Board won G1 races all over the world against colts including the Hong Kong Vase, Oaks,Breeders and many more >>
Great !!!
Agreed. I think she reached the top of her peak with this race. But that's horse racing for you. You never know how the horse is going to do the next year unless you actually race them.
@kelletman ha yeah it meant to be cows, No idea where sun came from there. IMO Zarkava is the best filly I've seen for a long long time. Theres no point comparing Zarkava and Goldikova because Zarkava retired at a different age, I can only go on when She was racing Goldikova when she was a 3 year old and she didnt lose in the time they met. Zarkava beat Goldikova at a mile which is Goldikova's specialist distance these days. Then Zarkava won the Diane and Arc two of frances classic races...
@CandyAndy3467 She earned third. I still have a lot of respect for her though!
@kingsindiandefence Agreed it was an impressive performance. Not sure though that Churchill Downs would suit him though. Who know how good he'll be come the BC's next year. He's still got a ways to go before you culd mention hi in te same breath as Goldkova though.
@dessiesdoneit Totally agree. I couldn't help but feel disappointed when they were both retired after a combined career of 14 starts. I understood that Harbinger was forced to retire. But STS & Zarkava were both sound. Let them race on I say! The sport needs it's idols. I for 1 would have loved to have seen what she'd have done at 4. Same with STS. One horse that I think will be very interesting to see next year is So Yo Think the Aus champ. IMO the next big thing at 10F, if AO is any good.
@kingsindiandefence Id imagine Frankel will comee over for a BC race, afterall he is named after a famous American trainer. The worry id have are the tracks they have over there, there very tight left handed tracks. First of all Frankel has never raced left handed, and secondly it takes a very versatile horse to act on American tracks, as they are ridiculously sharp. Goldikova apears to thrive on these tracks, wether Frankel or even Canford Cliffs will, only time will tell.
@kelletman Duke of Marmalade in the Arc, Aswell as Henry the Navigator and New Approach both group one winners. How timeform rated Curlin higher than Zarkava is beyond Me, He wouldnt have been able to stay in her slipstream in the her 3 year old year. Besides the point, Both Goldi and Zarkava are brilliant fillys. I look forward to following the flat season again next year, Fingers crossed that Frankel is as good as everyone thinks He is, I've followed him with interest and Im very hopeful..
@kelletman Zarkava proved herself over many distances and won and that for Me makes her the better of the two. Goldikova is without doubt the best miler I've seen but like I said earlier we can't say what else Zarkava would have done she was retired and quite rightly, She was the best horse in the world at the time. Goldikova carried on and as made herself a racing legend and I can't say anymore that that..
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@BlackHorse0688 No mate that goes to Zarkava, Remember Zarkava always had the better of her. What she as done since is remarkable though and I take My hat off to her...
Correct zarkava was a one off like frankel.but i loved goldi
@dessiesdoneit It's definitely a rarely run distance in Europe, but Manduro, Falbrav and Observatory have all won the D'Ispahan in the last 10 years, so good horses do run over the distance, however rare it is. And I know Byword was catching Goldikova in the final 100m but she still won handily enough. Maybe I'm being overoptimistic and going on how strongly she sees 8f out.
thought gio ponti needed more distance..he was doing a bunch of mile 1/4 & 1/2 races earlier in the year to go a mile...i thought was too short
@ASupremeOwl I agree with you up to a point, Zarkava did win from a mile to 1 1/2m but she was a massive 3 year old and was getting the full weight for age allowance from the older horses, If I had my way the Derby and Arc would be for 4 year olds and upwards then we would see who was the best, no horse needs to retire as a 3 year old 99% of the time it is done for commercial reasons only, I can understand the reasons behind retiring a colt but the fillies can earn as much on the track than in>
@ASupremeOwl Goldikova as improved tremendously since Zarkava beat her in the Poule and that race was not as cut and dry as some people try to make out, it is unfair to keep saying Goldie was put in her place by Zarkava, when F Head said himself that Goldikova was more backward than Zarkava as a 3 year old, some people wish to boost Zarkava form on the back of Goldi archievements at 4 & 5, but Goldi at 4 & 5 would have distroyed the Goldi in that Poule, so you cannot compare the 2 now.
@dessiesdoneit Agree Zarkava was a wonderful athlete but she was always going to peak as a 3yo due to her size.She practically looked like a colt and eventhough as you say Goldikova won the BC as a 3yo I don't think Zarkava would have had it all her own way had they met as 4 and 5yolds.To me though Zarkava isn't the best filly in our generation.That accolade goes to Pebbles who in her 5yo season beat the winners of the Derby,Arc,Juddemont ,Irish Champion,English Champion,Oaks,Arlington Million..
@dessiesdoneit ..Hollywood Gold Cup and Breeders Cup Turf and incidently was rated 135 by Timeform.Zarkava was rated 132.Only Allez France was rated higher on 136.Just wish Zarkava's connections came to England so we could have seen her in the flesh(same as Zenyatta I suppose)but I do understand her retirement as so many brilliant 3yo fillies don't really train on.It's the unfurnished 3yolds such as Goldikova and Midday that do.Also though I don't think Zarkava was better than my poersonal fav..
@Nucleo85Torino She was brilliant Nucleo and has just given birth to a healthy colt by the greatest, STS.However,I would personally have Zarkava about 4th or 5th in the rankings.My reasons are stated below,just go back a page or two.Regards.
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..did in her first 19.If I thought an American horse was superior I would say so.The best horses in the late 90's and early 2000's were U.S and I have NO problem saying so.Things now though are different and some credit where credit is due would be at least a start.Zen is a superb horse but there is nothing at all to show how she is the best mare around when she was so over protected in her career.For pure pace Goldikova would have gobbled her up.Her acceleration was majestic beating the BEST.
@emmelby Comparitively speaking she was well ahead of Zenyatta. And she was soundly beaten each time by Zarkava, who received a high RPR 2 lbs less than Goldikova. Work that one out. I guess they think she improved since the went head to head? Damn therehave been some great females in the last few years. Zarkava, Goldikova, Zenyatta, Sunline, Makybe Diva, Rachel Alexandra, Black Caviar.... when are they going to rethink the set-weights imposts? ;)
Well FYI they got beat all weekend, inclusive of turf, Bekhabad, Debussy, Together, Flood Plain, Midday, Miss Keller, Red Desire, Hibaayeb, amongst others got whooped over and over again, if theyre so great you think they might compete a little better on TURF.
Horse racing, and the BC in particular, need to up the quality of their videos. It's a disgrace.
@emmelby It's not a crazy idea but it wouldn;t solve the problem. All that would happen is that riders who presently are "naturally" 65kg that can't make sub-55kg allowances would replace the existing riders that are naturally 60kg's and have to use diuretics and the like to make light weights. The current system also provides opportunities for apprentices and young riders on the light-weight chance. It's a good idea in theory, but in practice it would only create different problems.
@ASupremeOwl Probably not to fair to compare two horses that run different distances and on different grounds.
if sidney's candy didn't have an 11 week layoff he would have finished better
Goldikova is the best miler on grass. Period. Could she beat other horses at a longer distance and on dirt? Doesn't matter. I doubt those horses could beat her on the grass at a mile so the argument is a wash IMO. This is her speciality and she is the best.
Oops! Make that the BC mile 2011
@ASupremeOwl It was Goldikova who beat Henrythenavigator not Zarkave, then Henry went on to finish in front of Curling in the BCC. New Aproach never ran against Zarkava, yes Zarkava did beat Duke of Marmalade but DOM did not run up to his best in the Arc as Solder of Fortune 12/1 It's Gino 150/1 and Ask 33/1 also finished infont of Duke Of Marmalade in that years Arc, I am not saying Zarkava was a very good horse but she was wrapped in cotton wool compared to many horses and retired early.
It's too bad the BC is no longer on NBC, I miss it so much and all the other races
they used to have. I never had cable, never will. I am sick of football and basketball,
especially college. They arn't even pros, who cares unless you know someone
there.
@sonofscrewcap It's too easy sometimes isn't it?
@sepul071200 Well that would take some effort considering hes now retired.
Is it me or does it seem like Goldikova runs these days as if she stays further? She was backward in her 3yo days and maybe, just maybe she'll get 10f. She did set a track record over a distance just over 9f this year, so maybe.....
@ASupremeOwl Zarkava only once beat Godi over a mile, but thad day Godi was a real madam, she did throw the Jockey at the start refused to go into the stalls and was down on her nose when the gates opened she was lucky to get back in the race at all but she came second, the only other time these 2 horses met was over 11F a distance Goldi does not stay, Zarkava was a very big filly for her age but Goldi was not, Zarkava never raced out side of France and only once raced away from Longchamp >>>
@bgardiner2000 Zarkava = amazing! I'm not going to rise to the imposts bait, because I actually agree with you. A mare Sunline's size could quite easily cruise around with a wee mare's weight on her back. For a giant like Zenyatta, it'd be lke a horsefly. Personally, I'd be happy if all weights went up, regardless of the quality of the field. I'm more concerned about the use of drugs amongst jockeys trying to keep weight down. It's not like a horse can't carry 5kg more.
@ASupremeOwl Should that be cows not sun? never mind, Zharkava remained undefeated like you said, but she retired as a 3 year old where as Goldi stayed in training and proved her self at 4 & 5 and her owners deserve alot of credit for that unlike the owners of Zarkava who was a course specialist at Longchamp then packed of to stud at the first opportunity, it is very unfair to keep bringing Goldi 3 year old form up as she is not the same horse and as proved that time and time again.
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Zenyatta's discipline was on synthetics, not dirt. hypocritical post.
@dustywhipp5 Best miler ever - Brigadier Gerard. End of story...
@belmontsar Zenyatta losing 10 lengths has no chance of starting a race won on the turf of G1 in Europe and even at home!
@bgardiner2000 The current system gives young riders a go, but by raising the weights, it limits the bleeding you get when those riders age and are no longer able to manage light weights. It wouldn't have a huge impact on apprentices, a 4kg claim is still 4kg, whether you're meant to be carrying 55 or 60. I'm not talking about diuretics, I'm talking about meth and speed. It's an issue that is ignored, until someone gets caught and made an example of, then it gets swept under the rug again.
Careful europeans to jumping off the cliff with jumping up and down about your Euro group of horses because on the whole Breeders cup weekend, they got beaten down. There was something like 17 Euro, Japanese, and S american shippers and Goldikova was the only winner
@kelletman We can argue to the sun comes home about who the better was, The facts remain that Zarkava retired undefeated. Beat Goldikova in there one meet over a mile at the first time of asking, Was the first filly to win the Arc in nearly 15 years aswell as two classics to her name and 5 group ones in her career retiring on a timeform rating of 133 exactly the same as Goldi who as won more group ones. I dont like to take anything away from Goldi Im a big fan. Its just IMO Zarkava was better...
@kelletman Zarkava would have probably won in Ireland or England had she raced there... How can You say she might not have? Anyone who crossed her was disposed off and I am confident in saying she would have done that on any track in Europe. Ouija Board was a brilliant horse but as timeform shows Zarkava is rated on par with Indian Skimmer and Miesque now that is high company both better horses than anyone You have just named. I mean the mighty Zarkava disposed of 5 time group one winner...
Usual QT was best horse in the race had a terrible trip
I had the exacta $1,979.60. See it Jimfromearth . I forgot to bring my SS card had to come back but so what. In hit a few other good exactas but this one was real nice.
@bluetiege
uh you do realize that she dodged all the BEST TURF HORSES IN EUROPE BY NEVER RUNNING 12 furlongs right?
@duhru4real GREATEST ZENYATTA would have been destroyed if she ran in shorter races,so fucking what?GREATEST ZENYATTA would have been destroyed had she raced over further,so fucking what?Both of them ran over their preferred trip on their preferred surface.One won,one lost.Tough shit.
@sepul071200
...are on this side of the Atlantic then we'll have more time for you.Sea The Stars would have to have given Zenyatta nearly a stone in a handicap yet you lot slaughter him for not going to the vastly overrated BC.Why the fuck didn't the Mosses have some real balls and go to last years Arc?He was the best so all comers to his crown should have to go to him,not go to race a mare who was nearly a stone inferior.The Arc is worth more money than the Classic and STS won more in 9 races than Zen....
Seriously the worst film job... I hope it's better this year!