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While it's widely agreed that the Deutschland class is definitely a up-gunned heavy cruiser and can be argued it was not a particularly efficient design, one thing I have come to appreciate about the class is that the German naval designers were essentially starting from scratch. All they had to work with was WWI design and theories and some modern-ish light cruiser designs, and so essentially had to make up 20+ years of experience. For essentially the first attempt at a capital-grade vessel by a brand new navy, the Deutschland's are kind of impressive, particularly as the Scharnhorst's were one of the follow-on designs; that is quite a jump in scope and were pretty good designs, even with the under-sized 28cm guns.
Actually what caught my attention though not emphasized, the Diesel plant and the "pocket battleship" or super heavy cruiser design was highly suitable for commerce raiding. And though the career's of Graf Spee, Scheer, Lutzow sinking merchant shipping does not catch the attention of military historians and naval gamers, the threat to convoys is very clear as reflected in just how dedicated the RN was to hunting down Graf Spee and later Bismark. Only to be dwarfed by the impact of the UBoats.
Hey everyone, I hope you enjoyed the video! I’d just like to point out that when I’m discussing her armaments and upgrades throughout her career she will carry 10.5 centimeter guns that will replace the initial 88 millimeter guns. Edit: I understand that I misspoke when it came to the initial declaration of war by Britain and France, apologies for that. Also, some of the photos I chose don’t necessarily match up at certain times of her career. It was a lot harder to find photos in her later career, so I used what I could find.
Right, thanks and addendum noted. This was a barrel of unknown unknowns till now as per ~ main guns being 53 calibre, having presumed 40 - 45 calibre 1900 ~ 1910s design. (I think the shell was notably light) Another really important new data chunk was the power plant info. As you mention, much individuality amongst the class, technical and operational. A .... side by side 3 in 1 cornucopia extravaganza of panzerschiffe would be amazing, although that would require very considerable time. As such, this isn't a request rather more of an expression of interest although shared, doubtless, by many others.
This video taught me something I don't think I have ever read about, or seen, about WW2. And that is the fact that the Lutzow and other ships bombarded the attacking Russians. Probably because Eastern Front WW2 content has been mostly about the battles on the ground in Russia.
@@Patrick_Cooper yeah , but such a colossal quantum of data to wrap head around. More about German naval bombardment in the Baltic ..... see Courland Pocket campaign. Germany had navy in Black Sea also but U-boats only, I think.
I think the Admiral Scheeer was the most successful of the three panzer schiffe. She raided Atlantic convoys, sank the AMC Jervis Bay, raided into the Indian Ocean and along the northern Arctic coast of Siberia. She survived until virtually the end of the war.
I think I tend to agree with that stance. A video I have been thinking about making but don't have the resources to do at the moment is to make a video about the involvement of the Kriegsmarine in the late war, with evacuations of East Prussia and Konigsberg specifically. As well as their bombardment of Soviet troops.
Also, if I remember correctly, they were innovative in widely employing welding instead of riveting wherever possible, saving considerable weight. And not sure if I missed it in the video, but their motto was "Outshoot anything you couldn't outrun (11 in. guns vs a cruisers 8 in or 6 in guns) and outrun anything you couldn't outshoot." At the start of WW2, the only ships that could do both were the British battlecruisers Hood, Repulse and Renown, and the French battleships Dunkerque and Strasbourg.
Germany's lack of confidence in their navy. Doomed most German surface ships to piecemeal destruction. A serious task force composed of the larger ships escorted by destroyers. Could have deployed under the cover of night and German radar jamming. Such a force could have struck serious blows against major British forces. It was the good fortune of the Royal Navy to have the occasional surface raider hunt. Making Germany's ultimate defeat, just a matter of time.
Back in high school, ca. 1968 or so, I took German under a Herr Prow who claimed to have served on the Luetzow. He showed us how to do the goose step and explained how it took an enormous amount of energy and that you could not keep it up for more than about half a block. Also told us how he had to grease the inside of the gun barrels with a very limited supply of butter/lard. How the Luetzow worked the eastern front against the Russians, but that there were just too many of them (the Russians).
@@ImportantNavalHistory He certainly was an interesting character. I do wonder if "Prow" was the original spelling of his last name, as it doesn't _look_ German. If you keep the pronunciation, it would have been "Prau." In German, "Prow" would have been pronounced "provv," which, as I said, just doesn't look or sound German.
If the Germans had built more Panzerschiff and not built the Tirpitz and Bismarck, the Germans would have done much better, I would suggest increasing the fuel storage to increase the range.
Maybe more Scarnhorst class battleships. Even the Germans knew these ships weren't really capital ships. Rerating the two surviving ships as heavy cruisers in 1942.
Yes; and the ability to use a variety of different kinds of fuel; and water desalination, food refrigeration, facilities for the men. Swap the Arado for radar giving less clutter and vulnerable high explosives.
* Because of my clumsy ineptitude I indicated agreement with your comment. My comment concerned however, only the panzerschiffe themselves .... fascinating indeed.
4:06 + I donno why but I just st started laughing idk if it's the lutzow in particular but it just looked like a giant destroyer with battleship turrets 😂 maybe it's because the bow is so short idk 😶 maybe I'm just dumb it was funny tho
@hazchem8421 ohh no I was just being silly, just the angle of the picture it looked funmy.. he did mention a bow replacement later in the video/ modifications at least if not replace.... So I'm wondering if the original look is what's throwing me off.. idk I ramble 2 much. Sory bout that
Yes. In the interwar period they were commonly referred to as Pocket battleships by the British and other nations. However, in reality they were classified as either panzerschiffe's or later on heavy cruisers. A distinction I try to make in videos. I do call them pocket battleships in titles because its a fun term and gets a little bit more attraction and interaction, like this comment :)
@@ImportantNavalHistory Indeed, Graf Spee is referred to as a 'pocket battleship' in several news reports around the time of the Battle of River Plate. Not sure if the American reporter used the term, but I'd be highly surprised if he didn't. In reporting the news, there's often a preference for being understood easily, rather than pedantic ontology and lexicographical conformance. In other words, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ... etc. Another excellent video. Too bad you aren't already a lecturer at Staff College; I might have learned something =] Pip pip.
It's not the size that counts. it's how you use it😉 They were wider, heavier, much better armoured, much better armed than cruisers. Cruisers sacrificed the former for speed and range. So very different ships, for different functions. A good comparison would be a sports car and a family saloon that are about the same size. Yes, they're both cars, but definitely not in the same class...
Not really, they weighed less than most heavy cruisers treaty or not. These 3 ships were ton for ton some of the toughest ships built in the 1930's. Built by the Weimer Republic nor Nazi Germany. Literally put all they could on limited hulls.
If you are going to have me take you seriously you have to drop the term pocket battleship. they were at best armored cruisers. stricktly a bullshit term. maybe the Scharnhorst class
Meh, never used the term in the video, strictly panzerschiff or heavy cruiser. Used the term in the title because it attracts more attention. If that’s a problem for you, I can’t control that.
Pocket battleship I think 3 built 6 11 inch guns Next they built 2 battlecruisers Scharnhorst and gneissnau Original schedule for 9 15 inch guns But settled for 9 11 inch guns . Commerce raiders Told not to fight British Capital ships The had the Brest run aka the channel dash
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As a young boy this was one of the Eagle waterline models my ex W.W.2 father purchased for me having served in both the Royal Navy and U.S.N.. 👍🏻🏴🇬🇧🇺🇸
Excellent video. Thank you for sharing, JV
While it's widely agreed that the Deutschland class is definitely a up-gunned heavy cruiser and can be argued it was not a particularly efficient design, one thing I have come to appreciate about the class is that the German naval designers were essentially starting from scratch. All they had to work with was WWI design and theories and some modern-ish light cruiser designs, and so essentially had to make up 20+ years of experience.
For essentially the first attempt at a capital-grade vessel by a brand new navy, the Deutschland's are kind of impressive, particularly as the Scharnhorst's were one of the follow-on designs; that is quite a jump in scope and were pretty good designs, even with the under-sized 28cm guns.
Actually what caught my attention though not emphasized, the Diesel plant and the "pocket battleship" or super heavy cruiser design was highly suitable for commerce raiding. And though the career's of Graf Spee, Scheer, Lutzow sinking merchant shipping does not catch the attention of military historians and naval gamers, the threat to convoys is very clear as reflected in just how dedicated the RN was to hunting down Graf Spee and later Bismark. Only to be dwarfed by the impact of the UBoats.
Hey everyone, I hope you enjoyed the video! I’d just like to point out that when I’m discussing her armaments and upgrades throughout her career she will carry 10.5 centimeter guns that will replace the initial 88 millimeter guns.
Edit: I understand that I misspoke when it came to the initial declaration of war by Britain and France, apologies for that. Also, some of the photos I chose don’t necessarily match up at certain times of her career. It was a lot harder to find photos in her later career, so I used what I could find.
Right, thanks and addendum noted. This was a barrel of unknown unknowns till now as per ~ main guns being 53 calibre, having presumed 40 - 45 calibre 1900 ~ 1910s design. (I think the shell was notably light) Another really important new data chunk was the power plant info.
As you mention, much individuality amongst the class, technical and operational. A .... side by side 3 in 1 cornucopia extravaganza of panzerschiffe would be amazing, although that would require very considerable time. As such, this isn't a request rather more of an expression of interest although shared, doubtless, by many others.
This video taught me something I don't think I have ever read about, or seen, about WW2. And that is the fact that the Lutzow and other ships bombarded the attacking Russians. Probably because Eastern Front WW2 content has been mostly about the battles on the ground in Russia.
@@Patrick_Cooper yeah , but such a colossal quantum of data to wrap head around. More about German naval bombardment in the Baltic ..... see Courland Pocket campaign.
Germany had navy in Black Sea also but U-boats only, I think.
I think the Admiral Scheeer was the most successful of the three panzer schiffe. She raided Atlantic convoys, sank the AMC Jervis Bay, raided into the Indian Ocean and along the northern Arctic coast of Siberia. She survived until virtually the end of the war.
I think I tend to agree with that stance. A video I have been thinking about making but don't have the resources to do at the moment is to make a video about the involvement of the Kriegsmarine in the late war, with evacuations of East Prussia and Konigsberg specifically. As well as their bombardment of Soviet troops.
@@ImportantNavalHistory I'd be interested in that when you get around to it.
@@carrickrichards2457 Thanks, gonna need some more money to hire animators for that!
I wasn't aware, of this 'panzerschiff'. I don't even recall, the name. Very detailed, but interesting documentary, on her.
Also, if I remember correctly, they were innovative in widely employing welding instead of riveting wherever possible, saving considerable weight. And not sure if I missed it in the video, but their motto was "Outshoot anything you couldn't outrun (11 in. guns vs a cruisers 8 in or 6 in guns) and outrun anything you couldn't outshoot." At the start of WW2, the only ships that could do both were the British battlecruisers Hood, Repulse and Renown, and the French battleships Dunkerque and Strasbourg.
Excellent.
Germany's lack of confidence in their navy. Doomed most German surface ships to piecemeal destruction. A serious task force composed of the larger ships escorted by destroyers. Could have deployed under the cover of night and German radar jamming. Such a force could have struck serious blows against major British forces. It was the good fortune of the Royal Navy to have the occasional surface raider hunt. Making Germany's ultimate defeat, just a matter of time.
Lutzow was raised by the soviets and later sunk as a target. There are photos of her sinking but they are not that great a quality.
MY FATHER WAS A MEMBER OF THE CREW ON DEUTSCHLAN/LÜTZW FOR A WHILE.
Back in high school, ca. 1968 or so, I took German under a Herr Prow who claimed to have served on the Luetzow. He showed us how to do the goose step and explained how it took an enormous amount of energy and that you could not keep it up for more than about half a block. Also told us how he had to grease the inside of the gun barrels with a very limited supply of butter/lard. How the Luetzow worked the eastern front against the Russians, but that there were just too many of them (the Russians).
One of my favorite parts about making TH-cam videos are reading comments like this. Herr Prow seems like a very interesting teacher!
@@ImportantNavalHistory He certainly was an interesting character. I do wonder if "Prow" was the original spelling of his last name, as it doesn't _look_ German. If you keep the pronunciation, it would have been "Prau." In German, "Prow" would have been pronounced "provv," which, as I said, just doesn't look or sound German.
On September 1st Germany invaded Poland. It was on September 3rd, not 1st, that war on Germany was declared by Britain and France.
My bad, forgot to double check that part of the script.
Invaded is the wrong term, especially since Poland had already "mobilized" its army weeks before the Wehrmacht entered the country.
@@Kaiserzeit1871 no invaded is still the correct term. doesnt matter if an army was mobilised, the germans invaded poland.
Love the music kind regards Roy Bennett from Wollongong Australia
Surprised her resting place is lost.
"Scheer" should sound like "share"
She was used as a target by the Soviets. A few photos of the tests exist, notably her now was completely blown away right before sinking.
My opa was 1st funkoffizier on the Lützow for a short period among other ships
Looking forward 👍
If the Germans had built more Panzerschiff and not built the Tirpitz and Bismarck, the Germans would have done much better, I would suggest increasing the fuel storage to increase the range.
Maybe more Scarnhorst class battleships. Even the Germans knew these ships weren't really capital ships. Rerating the two surviving ships as heavy cruisers in 1942.
Yes; and the ability to use a variety of different kinds of fuel; and water desalination, food refrigeration, facilities for the men. Swap the Arado for radar giving less clutter and vulnerable high explosives.
* Because of my clumsy ineptitude I indicated agreement with your comment.
My comment concerned however, only the panzerschiffe themselves .... fascinating indeed.
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Wow she took a pounding
4:06 + I donno why but I just st started laughing idk if it's the lutzow in particular but it just looked like a giant destroyer with battleship turrets 😂 maybe it's because the bow is so short idk 😶 maybe I'm just dumb it was funny tho
totally possible hey .... even the photo's perspective of the ship will do it.
@hazchem8421 ohh no I was just being silly, just the angle of the picture it looked funmy.. he did mention a bow replacement later in the video/ modifications at least if not replace.... So I'm wondering if the original look is what's throwing me off.. idk I ramble 2 much. Sory bout that
@@slimrummy4616 check out US Navy cruisers, bows blown off, early Solomon Islands campaign, with temporary coconut bows.
Adm Scheer has my vote as most successful
Youd never call her a lucky ship
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hopefully her wreck will be found.
I think only the British called them "pocket battleships", right?
Yes. In the interwar period they were commonly referred to as Pocket battleships by the British and other nations. However, in reality they were classified as either panzerschiffe's or later on heavy cruisers. A distinction I try to make in videos. I do call them pocket battleships in titles because its a fun term and gets a little bit more attraction and interaction, like this comment :)
@@ImportantNavalHistory Indeed, Graf Spee is referred to as a 'pocket battleship' in several news reports around the time of the Battle of River Plate. Not sure if the American reporter used the term, but I'd be highly surprised if he didn't. In reporting the news, there's often a preference for being understood easily, rather than pedantic ontology and lexicographical conformance. In other words, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ... etc.
Another excellent video. Too bad you aren't already a lecturer at Staff College; I might have learned something =] Pip pip.
It gets very tiresome to see these ships described as "Pocket Battleships". There were Heavy Cruisers armed with 11" guns.
"well actually...." 🙄
It's not the size that counts. it's how you use it😉
They were wider, heavier, much better armoured, much better armed than cruisers. Cruisers sacrificed the former for speed and range. So very different ships, for different functions.
A good comparison would be a sports car and a family saloon that are about the same size. Yes, they're both cars, but definitely not in the same class...
Not really, they weighed less than most heavy cruisers treaty or not. These 3 ships were ton for ton some of the toughest ships built in the 1930's. Built by the Weimer Republic nor Nazi Germany. Literally put all they could on limited hulls.
@@ET-jv1wm " It's not the size that counts. it's how you use it😉". Is that what she told you!!??
@@simonpitt8145 Your mother wasn't complaining😉
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Sorry kid, out on a date. Great job though.
If you are going to have me take you seriously you have to drop the term pocket battleship. they were at best armored cruisers. stricktly a bullshit term. maybe the Scharnhorst class
Meh, never used the term in the video, strictly panzerschiff or heavy cruiser. Used the term in the title because it attracts more attention. If that’s a problem for you, I can’t control that.
This is going to be great. The fact He got his teeth kick in by 100 year old guns and 100 torpedos. Lol like first Gen torps! Hahahaha
Pocket battleship
I think 3 built
6 11 inch guns
Next they built 2 battlecruisers
Scharnhorst and gneissnau
Original schedule for 9 15 inch guns
But settled for 9 11 inch guns .
Commerce raiders
Told not to fight British Capital ships
The had the Brest run aka the channel dash