@@jeremygott7709 Hogan deserves to have a big ego. Without him, professional wrestling in my eyes wouldn't reached the levels it has. There is a difference between having an ego and being a prick. However, as Shawn Michaels said in his book, "If you don't have a big ego or believe you're the best. You won't make it in professional wrestling."
@@LastSunrise1981 Many wrestlers have been successful without believing themselves to be the absolute pinnacle of pro wrestling. While most of those wrestlers have never been "The Guy," there are still those, like Rock and Austin, who were bigger than Hogan, who don't have as much of an ego as him. They do have an ego, but it's small when compared to Hogan. I mean. you reference Shawn, and even he admits that Bret was the better wrestler. Oh and while you say Hogan deserves to have that big of an ego, that could be objectively true, but what has Chris done to deserve that big of an ego? His biggest contributions to wrestling were his one liners about Stephanie and beating up Goldberg backstage, the latter of which, most wrestling fans don't know about. To be fair to Jericho though, he sucks now, but he's still a better wrestler than Hogan was in his prime.
@@jeremygott7709 rock maybe but that's mostly because of Hollywood but SCSA no he is not bigger than hogan. People always talk abt how great the attitude era was but that was mainly because of Hogan's heel turn and nwo without them no attitude era no rock no stone cold. Those massive numbers that the attitude era Monday night wars was getting was mostly because hogan nwo and wcw. It was not just the attitude era it was wrestling in general that was drawing the most at that time and it all started with Hogan's heel turn. Rock and stone cold dont have big enough egos I'm not sure abt that one lol you can find out abt the rocks ego over in Hollywood and as for stone cold he walked out of wwe because he refused to put brock Lesnar over lol you never saw hogan walk out of a company while in contract because he didn't want to put someone over. Plus Hogan has more Ls than wins in his matches.
Jericho might not be the GOAT but he is definitely deserving of everything he has accomplished. If he had Triple H’s size and push, he probably would be the greatest of all time. He was a 10/10 promo during the Attitude Era - Ruthless Agression (before it went scripted and PG). His matches with Benoit, Rey Mysterio, Rock, Angle, Regal, Malenko, Shawn Michaels etc were stuff of legends (9/10). His look was a 8.5/10 only because he was smaller. Jericho might have had a rough couple of years with age catching up to him, but you can’t take anything away from him.
@@joen8529 that’s fine, but notice that you could say the same thing about Austin and Rock. Austin was very entertaining and obviously sold a lot of merch and was super over, but he too was not that great of a wrestler after his injury. Did the same thing over and over again in the ring and in storyline. Rock was once in a lifetime talent. Super charismatic, had the crowd in the palm of his hand; has the physique of a Greek God, but average wrestler and some of his promos were repetitive. You can always find something to criticize about a great performer. Jericho is no different.
Jericho has probably paid for more surgeries, funerals, and second chance starts for more brothers than anybody who complain about him. Wrestlers talk about and cry about dead wrestlers but Jericho gives money to there families. Also the wrestling friends of Jericho maintain there friendship with him 30 years later!! Yeah he has an ego but he's also a great guy. Its just cool to hate on him at the moment!!
I’m a fan of James but for him to say Jericho was a Mid Carder and dismiss him as another guy is CRAZY Revisionist history … I know he’s not likeable currently but we don’t need to lie.. his feud with Shawn in 2008 is among the Top 5 in the last 20 years
Nobody is saying he wasn't in main events, we're saying he should have never been a consistent main eventer. Dude, you comprehension is fucking atrocious
@@joen8529 I got that sense as well, I tend to find a lot of people who watched him from the late 2000s onwards seem to rate him on the same level as some of the usual Mt. Rushmore candidates (insert names here). I used to watch WWE regular from 2003 (for a few years) and he was always a mid carder, who did occasionally work with main event talent. Don't get me wrong he was well-liked, but not deemed a star in the same way as many others. So it has been interesting during the AEW era, seeing this really odd worship of him with online fans. Don't get me wrong, Jericho had great matches back in the day and was good on the mic, but yeah it has been surprising. I am not sure if his career has been victim to revisionist history, in the sense they have overestimated his impact...
Rene always sounds like he just smoked a big bowl. He is always so mellow, so laid back and casual. His podcasts should be marketed for stress relief. LOL
News flash: anyone and everyone who gets a title is because it was handed to them by someone who supported them , whether they had the bosses favour or his right hand man, or they were married to the bosses daughter or they were themselves the booker, it's a work guys
Kind of different when his character claims to be the goat and the real Jericho doesn't. He's a heel. Of course he should day He's the greatest. It's what heels do.
You would think that your co-host would actually do research before throwing things up on a screen. The goat tee shirt that has the animal with Chris' head was a shirt concept that Jericho came up with to raise profits for a fundraiser for juvenile diabetes which two of his children have. You can see the exact shirt that someone is selling on eBay and even state that the shirt for sale was a fundraiser shirt with an article link in the description.
I feel like Jericho's recent work and his political opinions have skewed peoples opinions on him and almost created a revisionist timeline where we disregard how good he has been for over 20 years. He was an internet darling in the early days of his career known for his in ring stuff, become a huge star during the Attitude Era with one of the most stacked rosters in history. Was probably the Number 3 babyface in 2000 behind Rock and Taker and number 4 overall behind the former 2 plus Austin when he returned. Then you see the iconic HBK feuds in 2003 and 2008. Whatever you think of him now being washed up or an egomaniac, whatever, it is valid. But you can't rewrite history. Cornette used to kiss his ass and love him until he found out about his Trump affiliations and now he and many others bury him for that and pretend they didnt love him for the previous 20 years before that. Almost like the opposite of HHH. He was maligned for 20 years for burying talent and being an egomaniac now hes the saviour.
Ooooh boy it started off as mild defence for Jericho and just diverged into "waaaah Cornette!" Do people remember the Iron Shiek for his good work, or his later work as well as crazy shoot promos? Nuff said. Jericho can't coast on the good stuff he did up until maybe his second year in AEW. Everything since then has been dreadful as is he as a person imo. You can let him rest on his laurels his whole career and a be a hypocrite but I'm not doing it. He isn't struggling for money so I wish he'd do himself and the viewer a favour: get his HOF induction and f*ck off. Also I dislike him for being that internet darling. Like how he threw his toys out the pram back in 2002 because the fans on some nothing message board don't rate his match highly enough. Good to know the Metzler mindset has been kicking around longer than we would think.
The comment Vince made was in jest. Listening to Jericho, he said Vince said that in close proximity for Jericho to hear. This was before Jericho knew he was winning the title.
In early-mid 2012 he was a heel, you guys are wrestlers, you should know he wore those shirts and call himself best in the world as a HEEL. If he did it as a face id get your point. In not a fan of his aew run, but i will defend his wwe career, he's better on the mic than hbk ever was. Hes great in the ring and can play face or heel. You guys sound like haters and im a fan of your channel. I dont get all the hate for him, hes had better moments than majority of the so called legends.
Wrestling is an ego driven business you don’t have one it’s rare that you’ll succeed. Jericho playing politics isn’t rare all your favorite stars have done the same. Maybe guys like Rene and the others featured on this podcast should’ve taken notes.
Without disputing any of that, if I had to choose between having somebody on the roster like Triple H during the Reign Of Terror who never, ever did any jobs...and having somebody on the roster like Jericho, who regardless of whether he inserts himself into programs is generally willing to do jobs (to Adam Cole, to MJF three times before getting a single win back, to Omega in New Japan, to Mox, to Claudio, and the list goes on)...then I'd rather have the guy who'll do jobs. Ideally I wouldn't have *anybody* with an oversized ego around, but he could definitely be worse.
Big fan of the podcast but every wrestling fan I know considers Jericho one of the greatest of all time, up there with Bret, Shawn, etc so it's odd to hear James say nobody thinks that
Austin was offered the chance to headline Mania X8. Meaning he would go over on Jericho at No Way Out. Austin did not want to put over Triple H and pass the torch on the grandest stage. That's why they had the segment on RAW when they faced off but it went nowhere. Austin wanted to remain the top guy.
As far as longevity and reinventing yourself can constantly being on top. Pushing borders Chris Jericho's top five of all time and easily is arguable as one of the goats.
Jericho`s rein as the first Undisputed champ in WWE was a very ill fit. As a fan, you knew he was just keeping it warm for Triple H to take away from him,...in the most underwhelming WM main event ever
Jericho was a good wrestler for a long time but I noticed that when the pace of a match is faster he shows that his leg movements in the ring look kind of awkward almost like dancing in place doing an Irish jig or something.
With all these wrestling podcasts it would be nice if someone created video essays incorporating news reports, economics, and the perspectives/voices of wrestlers to create a well rounded view of events that will occurred in the past.
Well yeah... that's what heels do... they make themselves bigger deals than what they are. Jericho wasn't demanding they give him the nickname "best in the world."
Jericho was getting better reactions than the rock with promos during the attitude era. Maybe he did politic too hard, but he was red hot vs triple h and didnt go over which was a mistake. His reaction was massive when he won the belt on raw only to have the decision reversed.
😂😂 Absolute horse shit. Y2j is an upper midcarder at best. Dude couldn’t lace up Rock’s shoes. Rock was bigger than him then and hes WAAAY bigger than him now. No one outside of wrestling nerds even know of Jericho while Rock is a Household name.
Café de René… Can you guys explain why they keep showing a slim Jericho in an orange shirt whenever they do a story about Sunny’s recent legal issues in court??
Attaching himself to the hit acts, that was a huge criticism of Dusty. Magnum TA,Nikita Koloff, Rock and Roll,Road Warriors any over baby face Dusty teamed with them
Jericho is like the washed up Rock Star that's still touring but he was great, in his day. The program he had with Shawn Michaels, when he accidentally snuffed Shawn's wife was very good.
The Buffalo Bill comment 😂… James, you handsome devil. I always have been a Jericho fan but he can be a little… full of himself, and he’s been a guy who can politic for himself to a certain level. Bless him for getting to Tony’s wallet
Young Bucks Why do all of the mirrors in our locker room have lipstick smears all over them?? Y2tonJ Would you sign an NDA?? I’d make you sign an NDA!!
There are too many loopholes in this logic. 1. Jericho wasn't a mid-carder 2. That "Vince" didn't see Jericho as a top guy because of his size doesn't diminish his greatness as a wrestler in terms of promo, wrestling, entertainment, hard work, and creativity 3. Did James say that Triple H wouldn't be cheered over Rock/Austin while Jericho would be? And that and Pat is the only reason Jericho got the belt? So, Jericho is the champ because he is liked by fans and one of the greatest business minds and that is a bad thing? Hey, I am not a big fan of current Jericho and he has an inflated ego, but that doesn't mean he isn't good. Two separate topics, bub.
Regardless of whatever, can’t take away from Jericho’s debut on Raw that is still talked about and his amazing theme song Break the walls down! N that 2008 feud with HBK when he was a dickhead in a suit was amazing.
Eddie guerrero stamped Jericho's work as early as Mexico 😂 Rene really did this shit so his opinion is forever valid but yall in the comments please relax 🙌
To be fair, the GOAT stuff was the storyline. And he's always described himself as George Harrison when comparing himself to Rock and Austin (Lennon and McCartney). I'd put HHH in that spot though, imo. But you can definitely see it feeding his ego when people say it often enough. Kurt Angle said it not long ago, also; and that's high praise
Thanku 👍 u took the words out of my mouth!! I have said for yrs that he is an Upper Mid Card guy that you can put in ME. But he has never been on same level with Hogan, Austin, Rock. Great worker, great on mic but there is something off with his look character, probably because he is more less a chicken shit heel at his best??
I do wonder if reputation for being political and a mark for himself was common knowledge. He was very passionate apprently in tslking down Cena from his finish with Barrett. I wonder did Cena plow on regardless because he had that in his mind with Jericho. Didnt trust the advice and had to learn the lesson first hand. Sadly fueling Jerichos ego in the process. I bet had that been any vet not in the match they he may of acted different.
That is an interesting point but I even think Edge was trying to talk Cena down from that. But sadly that was a moment where you have to learn the hard way. I can't remember did Nexus happen before or after Shamus first title run.
Im aware of jericho ego. But he has a good podcast i listen too. And stone cold himself said jericho is at the top for reinventing himself. The moves etc. However. I droppped of wrestling since 2009/10ish i agree with james hes a mid carder with jeff hardy/rvd etc.
I first started noticing Jericho's ego when i would be listening to guests on his podcast. It would go from a guest telling their story to him telling a story about himself that was similar to the guests experience. He didn't seem to feel the need to one up the guests just the need to focus the attention on himself.
Right. Rock only got a push because Patterson liked him....not because he had an ounce of talent. Suuuure. Duane has more talent in his toe nail than 100 forgotten, no impact made, Rene Duprees
Jericho is like a more generous version of HHH. He never was the top guy, but he could be right there as a fill in as a temporary top guy. He's talented all around. Dislike him if you want, but to call him a midcarder is silly. The guy is good.
While I'm not at all a fan of AEW Jericho, and it's getting a bit sad to see to where he's now at and he doesn't help himself, WWE Jericho was pretty epic. That late 00's heel run was an all timer. And he was over as fuck in the initial baby face run.
He is not the goat ! He is the first eeevvvvveeerrrr evvvvvveeerrrr undisputed champion in wwf history . 😂 man continues to live it up Honestly he is more than a mid carder , he is lower top main eventer 😂 He is the Ferrari California in a Ferrari family
This is what a bias looks like. Jericho is an upper card guy. He sits down with writers because he has ideas to bring to the table, he's taking the initiative. He sells GOAT merchandise and wears GOAT tights to the ring because his character is suppose to be cocky. The interview he was doing was a shoot and real life. You're confusing his gimmick with who he is. Jericho isnt a superstar household name like rock, hogan, cena and austin, but theres no doubt hes right underneath them.
@cafederene So let me try to understand this. If your name isn't Hogan, Cena, Rock, or Austin you're an upper mid carder at best? Those guys are upper card but they're also the elites of the elites. Someone like Randy Orton is an upper card guy but he isn't a household name. Sting was an upper card guy but he isn't a household name. Kevin Nash was an upper card guy but he isn't a household name. Triple H isn't a household name but is an upper card wrestler. Chris Jericho is no doubt upper card. I understand you hate this guy for whatever reason. That's fine that's your opinion. But all bias aside, he's upper. You can't look at Jerichos career and put him in the mid card category. It's just impossible.
All the G.O.A.T. talk been overplayed now in everything. Either we're living in the best time where we get to see the absolute best, or everyone just blowing smoke up each other's asses.
When WWE came to town for me, the owner of the gym he worked out at told me to not meet him. His exact words were he is a total piece of sh*t that buys into his own hype. Glad I never met that hero.
Hey Derek, The Gym Owner!! How dare you slander me to fans when I was a completely reasonable Karen screaming for the manager. UNACCEPTABLE!! 1 STAR YELP REVIEW WHILE ON COKIE’S SNOW!!!
Jericho is for me the real life definition of 2 Face......he gives a lot of money to charity, hes paid the most into many former wrestlers go fund me's. He always wants to work with younger talent (again good or bad?).....BUT he has an Ego the size of Milky Way, he loves himself, and when people say Bret Hart took himself too seriously, well, fuck, Jericho is like Hart on roids.....hes clearly done a lot of seedy shit and continues to have issues with people (especially in hotels), add to that his recent Political allegiances and his stance during Covid........for me its all about him, it always will be, and it even makes his altrusitic generosity look like its done for Ego and not good will.
I pitty Chris Jericho because he never was able to amount to anything past a midcarder. I remember a raw segment where stonecold was on and it was all a hype up for a chris vs christian match and just like me the audience went dead. That is how it feels when hes on tv in any era.
Not sure if he’s the goat but Jericho has had a long and mostly injury free career. How many serious injuries has he had necessitating time off? Even Undertaker gave him props for that. I’ve always been a Jericho fan but as he got older and branched out from wrestling into music and tv and whatnot, it just seemed like he became a huge ass kisser, buddies with all these rock stars and celebrities, and making sure everyone knew who he was friends with. I think he should’ve retired in 2017 when he left WWE, maybe faded off into the sunset a bit and kept doing his podcast, maybe the odd tv show if the opportunity presented itself, kind of like Stone Cold. But he’s just hanging around, getting older, tarnishing his legacy. He’s like David Lee Roth, in that Roth still thinks it’s 1984 and Jericho thinks it’s 2001-02
When the host of the show can't tell apart a character from a real-life persona, that instantly invalidates anything he had said and would say right after.
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In Jericho's defense, Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, and even Hogan has said if you don't have an ego, you will not make it in wrestling.
Yeap like Rene, that's why he is not a wrestling Legend
True, but you don't have to have an ego as big as Hogan's.
@@jeremygott7709 Hogan deserves to have a big ego. Without him, professional wrestling in my eyes wouldn't reached the levels it has.
There is a difference between having an ego and being a prick. However, as Shawn Michaels said in his book, "If you don't have a big ego or believe you're the best. You won't make it in professional wrestling."
@@LastSunrise1981 Many wrestlers have been successful without believing themselves to be the absolute pinnacle of pro wrestling. While most of those wrestlers have never been "The Guy," there are still those, like Rock and Austin, who were bigger than Hogan, who don't have as much of an ego as him. They do have an ego, but it's small when compared to Hogan. I mean. you reference Shawn, and even he admits that Bret was the better wrestler. Oh and while you say Hogan deserves to have that big of an ego, that could be objectively true, but what has Chris done to deserve that big of an ego? His biggest contributions to wrestling were his one liners about Stephanie and beating up Goldberg backstage, the latter of which, most wrestling fans don't know about. To be fair to Jericho though, he sucks now, but he's still a better wrestler than Hogan was in his prime.
@@jeremygott7709 rock maybe but that's mostly because of Hollywood but SCSA no he is not bigger than hogan. People always talk abt how great the attitude era was but that was mainly because of Hogan's heel turn and nwo without them no attitude era no rock no stone cold. Those massive numbers that the attitude era Monday night wars was getting was mostly because hogan nwo and wcw. It was not just the attitude era it was wrestling in general that was drawing the most at that time and it all started with Hogan's heel turn. Rock and stone cold dont have big enough egos I'm not sure abt that one lol you can find out abt the rocks ego over in Hollywood and as for stone cold he walked out of wwe because he refused to put brock Lesnar over lol you never saw hogan walk out of a company while in contract because he didn't want to put someone over. Plus Hogan has more Ls than wins in his matches.
Jericho might not be the GOAT but he is definitely deserving of everything he has accomplished. If he had Triple H’s size and push, he probably would be the greatest of all time. He was a 10/10 promo during the Attitude Era - Ruthless Agression (before it went scripted and PG). His matches with Benoit, Rey Mysterio, Rock, Angle, Regal, Malenko, Shawn Michaels etc were stuff of legends (9/10). His look was a 8.5/10 only because he was smaller. Jericho might have had a rough couple of years with age catching up to him, but you can’t take anything away from him.
I never thought he was interesting, and his promos, wildly overrated. His matches, meh. Average stuff with a lionsalt.
It also was hard to buy that he could hang with Rock and Austin. His era was Lame.
So yeah I can take away from him. Overrated. Wildly.
@@joen8529 that’s fine, but notice that you could say the same thing about Austin and Rock. Austin was very entertaining and obviously sold a lot of merch and was super over, but he too was not that great of a wrestler after his injury. Did the same thing over and over again in the ring and in storyline. Rock was once in a lifetime talent. Super charismatic, had the crowd in the palm of his hand; has the physique of a Greek God, but average wrestler and some of his promos were repetitive. You can always find something to criticize about a great performer. Jericho is no different.
@@joen8529 Lol... nonsense. He was incredibly over and is still one of the best on the mic & in the ring.
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Jericho has probably paid for more surgeries, funerals, and second chance starts for more brothers than anybody who complain about him. Wrestlers talk about and cry about dead wrestlers but Jericho gives money to there families. Also the wrestling friends of Jericho maintain there friendship with him 30 years later!! Yeah he has an ego but he's also a great guy. Its just cool to hate on him at the moment!!
Facts Jericho does donate
@@EchoesOfTheWeary To Trump.
@@ZakynthosDiamandis To your mom.
But but but some second rate lawyer posted a tweet (that he retracted)!!!1!
He can donate and not wrestle. Donating doesn't mean he's buying a spot in tv.
Not a big fan of Jericho now but that GOAT shirt and trunks was clearly tongue in cheek and for getting heat.
plus he got the date wrong, a disgraceful host.
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I’m a fan of James but for him to say Jericho was a Mid Carder and dismiss him as another guy is CRAZY Revisionist history … I know he’s not likeable currently but we don’t need to lie.. his feud with Shawn in 2008 is among the Top 5 in the last 20 years
Nah. I appreciated him saying upper midcarder who could main event from time to time, because it’s so absolutely true.
@@joen8529 that's true for most talents really. Each company has very few actual main eventers at one time
Nobody is saying he wasn't in main events, we're saying he should have never been a consistent main eventer. Dude, you comprehension is fucking atrocious
@@joen8529 I got that sense as well, I tend to find a lot of people who watched him from the late 2000s onwards seem to rate him on the same level as some of the usual Mt. Rushmore candidates (insert names here). I used to watch WWE regular from 2003 (for a few years) and he was always a mid carder, who did occasionally work with main event talent. Don't get me wrong he was well-liked, but not deemed a star in the same way as many others. So it has been interesting during the AEW era, seeing this really odd worship of him with online fans. Don't get me wrong, Jericho had great matches back in the day and was good on the mic, but yeah it has been surprising. I am not sure if his career has been victim to revisionist history, in the sense they have overestimated his impact...
James' favourite wrestler is Bret Hart which makes him shaming Jericho for having an ego even more ironic.
Rene always sounds like he just smoked a big bowl. He is always so mellow, so laid back and casual. His podcasts should be marketed for stress relief. LOL
If you read Jericho's book he's always been a mark for himself
I mean if you wanna make it, are you a mark for yourself if nobody else does.
Or if you look at him for 20 seconds…
@@leeedwards9068 That's anybody stooop
He's full of himself but also realistic
@@wingedhussar1453 no. Just full of himself.
Rene so accurate in here. Jericho latches on to whatever is hot. Hook now, Ricky Starks, Eddie Kingston and a huge list of names.
Bingo
Kind of how the business works in a way though
@@richardredeemed Exactly lol, like how is this even a take. That's what your supposed to do to stay relevant.
Leech-on-heart Chris Jericho
Jericho hasnt elevated one talent in AEW.
Hes not good for a few years now.
News flash: anyone and everyone who gets a title is because it was handed to them by someone who supported them , whether they had the bosses favour or his right hand man, or they were married to the bosses daughter or they were themselves the booker, it's a work guys
Kind of different when his character claims to be the goat and the real Jericho doesn't. He's a heel. Of course he should day He's the greatest. It's what heels do.
The revisionist history on Jericho is crazy. Everyone acting like no one liked him and never drew a dime all of a sudden lol
He drew more than ever at the beginning of AEW, more than he did on WWE. Now he draws people away. Look it up.
Crazy what a retracted allegation in the form of a shitty tweet can do!
He didn't draw for the WWF, he was always paired with a draw.
@@MikeD8318 insane take lmao
If wasn’t in AEW he would be praised right now.
You would think that your co-host would actually do research before throwing things up on a screen. The goat tee shirt that has the animal with Chris' head was a shirt concept that Jericho came up with to raise profits for a fundraiser for juvenile diabetes which two of his children have. You can see the exact shirt that someone is selling on eBay and even state that the shirt for sale was a fundraiser shirt with an article link in the description.
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I feel like Jericho's recent work and his political opinions have skewed peoples opinions on him and almost created a revisionist timeline where we disregard how good he has been for over 20 years. He was an internet darling in the early days of his career known for his in ring stuff, become a huge star during the Attitude Era with one of the most stacked rosters in history. Was probably the Number 3 babyface in 2000 behind Rock and Taker and number 4 overall behind the former 2 plus Austin when he returned. Then you see the iconic HBK feuds in 2003 and 2008. Whatever you think of him now being washed up or an egomaniac, whatever, it is valid. But you can't rewrite history. Cornette used to kiss his ass and love him until he found out about his Trump affiliations and now he and many others bury him for that and pretend they didnt love him for the previous 20 years before that. Almost like the opposite of HHH. He was maligned for 20 years for burying talent and being an egomaniac now hes the saviour.
Ooooh boy it started off as mild defence for Jericho and just diverged into "waaaah Cornette!"
Do people remember the Iron Shiek for his good work, or his later work as well as crazy shoot promos?
Nuff said. Jericho can't coast on the good stuff he did up until maybe his second year in AEW. Everything since then has been dreadful as is he as a person imo. You can let him rest on his laurels his whole career and a be a hypocrite but I'm not doing it. He isn't struggling for money so I wish he'd do himself and the viewer a favour: get his HOF induction and f*ck off.
Also I dislike him for being that internet darling. Like how he threw his toys out the pram back in 2002 because the fans on some nothing message board don't rate his match highly enough. Good to know the Metzler mindset has been kicking around longer than we would think.
One thing you cannot take away from Chris is he has never been Injured he was and is durable consistent
That's only down to luck and politicking, though. Hardly admirable qualities, or much you can control.
The comment Vince made was in jest. Listening to Jericho, he said Vince said that in close proximity for Jericho to hear. This was before Jericho knew he was winning the title.
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In early-mid 2012 he was a heel, you guys are wrestlers, you should know he wore those shirts and call himself best in the world as a HEEL. If he did it as a face id get your point. In not a fan of his aew run, but i will defend his wwe career, he's better on the mic than hbk ever was. Hes great in the ring and can play face or heel. You guys sound like haters and im a fan of your channel. I dont get all the hate for him, hes had better moments than majority of the so called legends.
12 year old me loved Jericho, 35 year old me finds him so cringey 😂
Wrestling is an ego driven business you don’t have one it’s rare that you’ll succeed. Jericho playing politics isn’t rare all your favorite stars have done the same. Maybe guys like Rene and the others featured on this podcast should’ve taken notes.
Without disputing any of that, if I had to choose between having somebody on the roster like Triple H during the Reign Of Terror who never, ever did any jobs...and having somebody on the roster like Jericho, who regardless of whether he inserts himself into programs is generally willing to do jobs (to Adam Cole, to MJF three times before getting a single win back, to Omega in New Japan, to Mox, to Claudio, and the list goes on)...then I'd rather have the guy who'll do jobs. Ideally I wouldn't have *anybody* with an oversized ego around, but he could definitely be worse.
Jericho: I don't think I'm the goat, but I'm not gonna say I'm not either (Very humble man Mr. Y2NDA is)
Big fan of the podcast but every wrestling fan I know considers Jericho one of the greatest of all time, up there with Bret, Shawn, etc so it's odd to hear James say nobody thinks that
Austin was offered the chance to headline Mania X8. Meaning he would go over on Jericho at No Way Out. Austin did not want to put over Triple H and pass the torch on the grandest stage. That's why they had the segment on RAW when they faced off but it went nowhere. Austin wanted to remain the top guy.
Watching cafe de Rene from gym. Love this show
A wrestler speaking in hyperbole!!??? While I never. Now I don’t know what to believe! I bet the Undertaker isn’t even really undead
New background. Looking good James. Looking real good
All wrestling stars have ego, also Rene is so bitter and always has something negative about someone
I heard about a cruise,
Where Jericho was Drunk and MVP Put hands on him for it.
As far as longevity and reinventing yourself can constantly being on top. Pushing borders Chris Jericho's top five of all time and easily is arguable as one of the goats.
Watching Cafe De Rene while tearing my quad.
Jericho thinks he beat Rock & Austin in the same night like it was real lol.
He's in character you goof
@@bigdaddytrips6197stay in your basement…just yell out to your parents to not come down when you are ‘having a wank’ during Dynamite…
@@bigdaddytrips6197 He must be "in character" 24/7 then lol. It's called inflated ego, you goof.
@@MrFoxxx47Because nobody else have done it or will ever do it again
@@giovanniaroca5755 Even tho his title reign was memorable as a Sable promo
Rene looks BAKED here
Jericho`s rein as the first Undisputed champ in WWE was a very ill fit. As a fan, you knew he was just keeping it warm for Triple H to take away from him,...in the most underwhelming WM main event ever
Jericho was a good wrestler for a long time but I noticed that when the pace of a match is faster he shows that his leg movements in the ring look kind of awkward almost like dancing in place doing an Irish jig or something.
Jericho has one of the biggest egos in wrestling
And we love it 🤣
Because he's one of the best.
He's also paid for more for funerals, second chances and surgeries than any wrestling podcast hosts you listen to.
@@sinjinsmythe1571 nice copy paste
Every top guy has a huge ego. Every fuckin one.
Having met Jericho in 2005 . I can confirm he is full of himself! He really is!
The goat never says they are .
They let their work speak for themselves
Taker. Nuff said
Dave Chapelle is the GOAT and he has said so.
What is the red mic that Renee is using? I think it's a very popular one.
A good thing I’ve heard about Jericho ,is that he’s very generous to wrestlers families when they pass away.
Looks like you got some upgrades. Awesome :D
Jericho is the modern-day Dusty Rhodes, always involved with the top stars, teaming or feuding with.
Just fatter and 100% more NDAs
Watching Cafe de Rene while I'm getting open heart surgery.
I don't think the elite could've swayed Tony to start a company without Cody.
With all these wrestling podcasts it would be nice if someone created video essays incorporating news reports, economics, and the perspectives/voices of wrestlers to create a well rounded view of events that will occurred in the past.
Well yeah... that's what heels do... they make themselves bigger deals than what they are. Jericho wasn't demanding they give him the nickname "best in the world."
I liked Jericho back when he was " Lion Heart Chris Jericho" in ECW, before he became " Y2J" in WWF/WWE.
There's no way Jericho is bigger than Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, Stone Cold, Ric Flair, Bret Hart, The Undertaker, or The Rock.
He’s in none of those guy’s league.
You know who is bigger than Jericho?
One of my favorites...Alex Wright.
Always made me laugh to watch him dance.
Jericho was getting better reactions than the rock with promos during the attitude era. Maybe he did politic too hard, but he was red hot vs triple h and didnt go over which was a mistake. His reaction was massive when he won the belt on raw only to have the decision reversed.
😂😂 Absolute horse shit. Y2j is an upper midcarder at best. Dude couldn’t lace up Rock’s shoes. Rock was bigger than him then and hes WAAAY bigger than him now. No one outside of wrestling nerds even know of Jericho while Rock is a Household name.
Café de René…
Can you guys explain why they keep showing a slim Jericho in an orange shirt whenever they do a story about Sunny’s recent legal issues in court??
Attaching himself to the hit acts, that was a huge criticism of Dusty. Magnum TA,Nikita Koloff, Rock and Roll,Road Warriors any over baby face Dusty teamed with them
Jericho is like the washed up Rock Star that's still touring but he was great, in his day. The program he had with Shawn Michaels, when he accidentally snuffed Shawn's wife was very good.
Jericho 2008-2010 was fantastic. The slow talking heel in a suit was top notch. Since then? Not so much.
I enjoyed his team with Kevin Steen, mostly because you could tell they were having fun with it.
Watching Cafe de Rene while applying salicylic acid to burn off my plantar wart.
Make sure to wear gloves!
The Buffalo Bill comment 😂… James, you handsome devil. I always have been a Jericho fan but he can be a little… full of himself, and he’s been a guy who can politic for himself to a certain level. Bless him for getting to Tony’s wallet
Chris when no one is around and he’s looking into a mirror putting on his gear, “Would you wrestle me? I’d wrestle me.”
Young Bucks
Why do all of the mirrors in our locker room have lipstick smears all over them??
Y2tonJ
Would you sign an NDA??
I’d make you sign an NDA!!
There are too many loopholes in this logic.
1. Jericho wasn't a mid-carder
2. That "Vince" didn't see Jericho as a top guy because of his size doesn't diminish his greatness as a wrestler in terms of promo, wrestling, entertainment, hard work, and creativity
3. Did James say that Triple H wouldn't be cheered over Rock/Austin while Jericho would be? And that and Pat is the only reason Jericho got the belt? So, Jericho is the champ because he is liked by fans and one of the greatest business minds and that is a bad thing?
Hey,
I am not a big fan of current Jericho and he has an inflated ego, but that doesn't mean he isn't good. Two separate topics, bub.
rene is such a bro
Regardless of whatever, can’t take away from Jericho’s debut on Raw that is still talked about and his amazing theme song Break the walls down! N that 2008 feud with HBK when he was a dickhead in a suit was amazing.
Chris is a legend I don't care one of my last childhood wrestler left
Eddie guerrero stamped Jericho's work as early as Mexico 😂 Rene really did this shit so his opinion is forever valid but yall in the comments please relax 🙌
To be fair, the GOAT stuff was the storyline. And he's always described himself as George Harrison when comparing himself to Rock and Austin (Lennon and McCartney). I'd put HHH in that spot though, imo.
But you can definitely see it feeding his ego when people say it often enough. Kurt Angle said it not long ago, also; and that's high praise
Actually that picture taking place in 2016
It was also a GOAT move to bring back Big Show who can barely walk with an oblique leg.
Thanku 👍 u took the words out of my mouth!! I have said for yrs that he is an Upper Mid Card guy that you can put in ME. But he has never been on same level with Hogan, Austin, Rock. Great worker, great on mic but there is something off with his look character, probably because he is more less a chicken shit heel at his best??
6:35 it was Eric Bischoff, Bischoff said that Chris was with Brian Gerwitz, "in the corner...... changing shit..." 😂😂
I knew Y2J was an egomaniac when said he can sing better than most rock stars 😂
That guy was feeding Chris. lol
Jericho was the one who injured triple h in 2001 in storyline that’s why he fought triple h at wrestlemania 18 & because he earned that spot.
I do wonder if reputation for being political and a mark for himself was common knowledge.
He was very passionate apprently in tslking down Cena from his finish with Barrett.
I wonder did Cena plow on regardless because he had that in his mind with Jericho. Didnt trust the advice and had to learn the lesson first hand.
Sadly fueling Jerichos ego in the process.
I bet had that been any vet not in the match they he may of acted different.
That is an interesting point but I even think Edge was trying to talk Cena down from that. But sadly that was a moment where you have to learn the hard way. I can't remember did Nexus happen before or after Shamus first title run.
Im aware of jericho ego. But he has a good podcast i listen too. And stone cold himself said jericho is at the top for reinventing himself. The moves etc. However. I droppped of wrestling since 2009/10ish i agree with james hes a mid carder with jeff hardy/rvd etc.
@@pc8679 interesting.
And the truth comes out!
I love how Rene is such a straight forward no bullshit type of person. He just tells it how it is and he does not sugarcoat anything.
Cafe de rene is class
I first started noticing Jericho's ego when i would be listening to guests on his podcast. It would go from a guest telling their story to him telling a story about himself that was similar to the guests experience. He didn't seem to feel the need to one up the guests just the need to focus the attention on himself.
Right. Rock only got a push because Patterson liked him....not because he had an ounce of talent. Suuuure. Duane has more talent in his toe nail than 100 forgotten, no impact made, Rene Duprees
9:59 voice slowly morphs into Macho Man lmaoooo.
Jericho is like a more generous version of HHH. He never was the top guy, but he could be right there as a fill in as a temporary top guy.
He's talented all around. Dislike him if you want, but to call him a midcarder is silly. The guy is good.
The GOAT stuff was all kayfabe when he was heel
When people drink, the truth from the individuals really comes out. Keep on rocking Rene!!
While I'm not at all a fan of AEW Jericho, and it's getting a bit sad to see to where he's now at and he doesn't help himself, WWE Jericho was pretty epic. That late 00's heel run was an all timer. And he was over as fuck in the initial baby face run.
He would also call himself the JeriGOAT
He is not the goat ! He is the first eeevvvvveeerrrr evvvvvveeerrrr undisputed champion in wwf history . 😂 man continues to live it up
Honestly he is more than a mid carder , he is lower top main eventer 😂
He is the Ferrari California in a Ferrari family
Renee Dupree vs Chris Jericho March 22nd 2004 WWE Draft Day
James is right, Jericho is a great mid carder that can work a main event here and there
He’s been in the most main events paperviews ever in the top 10 how is that a mid carder?
@@hassan74ish reading comprehension is not your strong suit
This is what a bias looks like. Jericho is an upper card guy. He sits down with writers because he has ideas to bring to the table, he's taking the initiative.
He sells GOAT merchandise and wears GOAT tights to the ring because his character is suppose to be cocky. The interview he was doing was a shoot and real life. You're confusing his gimmick with who he is.
Jericho isnt a superstar household name like rock, hogan, cena and austin, but theres no doubt hes right underneath them.
So you agree with me he's an upper midcarder?
@cafederene So let me try to understand this. If your name isn't Hogan, Cena, Rock, or Austin you're an upper mid carder at best? Those guys are upper card but they're also the elites of the elites.
Someone like Randy Orton is an upper card guy but he isn't a household name. Sting was an upper card guy but he isn't a household name. Kevin Nash was an upper card guy but he isn't a household name.
Triple H isn't a household name but is an upper card wrestler.
Chris Jericho is no doubt upper card. I understand you hate this guy for whatever reason. That's fine that's your opinion. But all bias aside, he's upper. You can't look at Jerichos career and put him in the mid card category. It's just impossible.
@@bane3991 so you agree, he's an upper midcarder.
Jericho is the 🐐
Jericho had to do favors for Pat Patterson
All the G.O.A.T. talk been overplayed now in everything.
Either we're living in the best time where we get to see the absolute best, or everyone just blowing smoke up each other's asses.
When WWE came to town for me, the owner of the gym he worked out at told me to not meet him. His exact words were he is a total piece of sh*t that buys into his own hype. Glad I never met that hero.
Hey Derek, The Gym Owner!!
How dare you slander me to fans when I was a completely reasonable Karen screaming for the manager. UNACCEPTABLE!!
1 STAR YELP REVIEW WHILE ON COKIE’S SNOW!!!
Jericho is for me the real life definition of 2 Face......he gives a lot of money to charity, hes paid the most into many former wrestlers go fund me's. He always wants to work with younger talent (again good or bad?).....BUT he has an Ego the size of Milky Way, he loves himself, and when people say Bret Hart took himself too seriously, well, fuck, Jericho is like Hart on roids.....hes clearly done a lot of seedy shit and continues to have issues with people (especially in hotels), add to that his recent Political allegiances and his stance during Covid........for me its all about him, it always will be, and it even makes his altrusitic generosity look like its done for Ego and not good will.
They both drew flies. The goat is Hogan Austin and Andre or even sammartino
He is the Bret Farve of Wrestling... if you know you know
I’ve said this in other videos, I very much enjoy your channel. Thank you for the content.
To put Jericho over as the first undisputed champion was one of the most stupidest decisions ever made
I pitty Chris Jericho because he never was able to amount to anything past a midcarder. I remember a raw segment where stonecold was on and it was all a hype up for a chris vs christian match and just like me the audience went dead. That is how it feels when hes on tv in any era.
Not sure if he’s the goat but Jericho has had a long and mostly injury free career. How many serious injuries has he had necessitating time off? Even Undertaker gave him props for that.
I’ve always been a Jericho fan but as he got older and branched out from wrestling into music and tv and whatnot, it just seemed like he became a huge ass kisser, buddies with all these rock stars and celebrities, and making sure everyone knew who he was friends with. I think he should’ve retired in 2017 when he left WWE, maybe faded off into the sunset a bit and kept doing his podcast, maybe the odd tv show if the opportunity presented itself, kind of like Stone Cold. But he’s just hanging around, getting older, tarnishing his legacy. He’s like David Lee Roth, in that Roth still thinks it’s 1984 and Jericho thinks it’s 2001-02
When the host of the show can't tell apart a character from a real-life persona, that instantly invalidates anything he had said and would say right after.