Does Cutting Oil for Drilling Metal Help? Let's find out!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2024
- Does cutting oil for drilling through metal work better than motor oil, bacon grease or other options? Tap Magic Cutting Fluid, CRC C3400 Truetap Cutting Fluid, Rapid Tap Cutting Fluid, CLI Syntec Premium Metal Tapping Fluid, Lenox, 3-in-1 Oil, used motor oil, bacon grease, and shortening tested as cutting oil drilling through mild and hardened steel. New twist drill bits used for each product tested. In a recent video on twist drill bits, DeWalt and Bosch did well but using a high quality cutting oil helps a lot. Thanks for supporting the channel!
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I didn’t expect to see such a huge difference between the brands. A high-quality cutting oil makes a huge difference, especially on high-carbon steel. I bought all of the products and do not accept sponsorships. Thanks to everyone for helping support the videos through your generous Patreon support. www.patreon.com/projectfarm. I look forward to reading your comments and video ideas. Thanks again!
Products Tested In This Video (in no particular order):
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Instant click for my favorite TH-cam channel!!! I wish you made more videos.
I can not believe how fast you put this together... I only asked for it like 2 weeks ago! Thank you! 😂
How about possibly testing mower blade sharpeners/methods. It might be I tough test but I know project farm can pull it off!
Test the best File
I gatta say, I suggested this idea like 4 months ago, and specifically asked for 3in1 oil to be tested (even though it lost horribly). Its refreshing to see a TH-cam account with 1M+ subs still listening to the fans.
Thanks for suggesting this video.
Word
And he still responds to his fans!
I call him
Mr. President cuz I think he should run the country and straighten it out ! he does a really good job testing products/answering questions.
" Project Farm"#1
I usually grab whats at hand, but am going to avoid 3in1 next time!
Machinist here. In 20 years I've never witnessed a head to head test like this. I always just used whatever was at hand in the shop and I'm surprised at the big differences in performance among a bunch of products that I would have assumed were more or less equivalent. Thanks again for the effort you put into these tests.
at 20 years you missed out on trichloroethylene rapid tap which we lost due to david suzuki and ozone holey science. Nothing on that bench is in this class. you know very well it is used in the third world anyways just like R12 refrigerants but somehow these small volume useful materials are banned here.
@@evanvokes1694 40 year machinist here, I remember using that, I still have 2 cans of it that I still use. I wonder why he didn't have any Fuchs. Personally I thin they make the best CNC coolants/lubricants. I've tried some of the "so-called" good synthetics, but they aren't anywhere near as good and even though I mixed my 1-2 brix higher than recommended, the tables still rusted and it eat up the aluminum sub plates to boot! FUCHS won hands down and would have been a good addition to the drilling test.
10 year hobby level machinist here 😊 (my brother is a real machinist though messing around with 13000 mm Y travel Zayer and the like). I just use Dormer cutting/threading fluids and mainly just etanol for aluminum but haven't done any specific testing. I wonder if the film strength is only important when the tool hardness is close to the work piece hardness? In that case it could prevent some friction wear. But maybe with hard tools and soft materials like aluminum the heat transfer is more important. I have a gut feeling that for tapping the maximum film strength is beneficial.
@@tkermi i thought about film strength and tapping as well. It's interesting that, while this test exposes some big differences in product performance, we are still in the dark as to the scientific reasons for the differences. I wish I knew more.
@@tkermi Hey, sure appears that way, doesn't it... I've never worked with Dormer cutting fluids, so am uneducated on their performance, but based on my experience and PF's testing there seems to something to justify your observations. I use high sulfur based cutting fluids with tapping and found them to yield the best results both in finish and tool longevity. Stinks like hell, but then all the good stuff generally is being phased out like MEK, a solvent and some mentioned by others like old school formula Tap Magic. Back to aluminum machining, try some Diesel fuel as a cutting fluid. Works really well for tool wear, great cutting finish in either turning, facing and tapping. I'm sure it has to do with sulfur content...
You should try cutting fluid as engine oil, since it seems to have a smaller wear scar than regular engine oil
I was thinking the same thing!
Great recommendation!
I was thinking the same. Maybe use a mix of 75% engine oil and 25% cutting fluid.
Yeah. I want to see this.
definatley agree would make a good video and could put all that extra cutting oil to good content use!!
I have no clue why im watching these as I'm probably never going to be in a position to be criticizing cutting fluids but goddam, it almost feels like watching a horse race and am hoping a specific brand wins. The production value and scientific approach to these tests absolutely make me cling to my seat as he's super methodical about testing these products' every aspect. Anyone can make these vids but the superb commentary makes me wanna come back and watch another. Great job PF!
Thanks so much!
@@ProjectFarm Feel ya, I had the answers I was looking for and kept watching..
So many products I use just because it’s what my grandpa or dad use. Most of your tests show they were usually choosing wisely
Thank you very much!
Experience is the best teacher after all.
Knowledge is not a substitute for wisdom.
@@ac.creations You know what a deepity is?
@@marksierra3522 they probably have no idea. Here's the cliff notes: Knowledge and wisdom aren't a "this vs that" situation. Wisdom is applied knowledge. You can't have wisdom without knowledge. And misapplication of knowledge isn't wisdom.
my dad is a machinist and he swears by tap magic. I always just took his word, but it's good to see he knows his stuff!
It doesn’t hurt that it smells nice too
ckl8a I use tap magic I’v been using it for about 20 years good stuff
Yeah, I'd just assumed from experience that Tap Magic was the best, but it's nice to see a good comparison showing how well it works.
i have a mom and pop small hardware store next to me and i talk to the guys there about your channel all the time and now they watch also so that they can better advise there customers and help there business
Fantastic! Thanks for sharing.
their* business
@@thewolfin chill out - what are you the TH-cam spellcheck? We define language, it doesn't define us. If you can understand him then you know what he meant.
@@ducatiist LOL
ducatiist Being satisfied with the lowest common denominator gets you nowhere.
I've been a mechanic and welder for about 40 years and I've found your videos extremely helpful in finding products that live up to their hype and actually work! Keep 'em coming! Thanks.
Thank you very much, will do!
I'm really surprised you didn't include WD-40, since I see a LOT of people use it to drill with.
WD-40 is particularly good when cutting or drilling aluminum. It helps keep the cutting tool from loading up.
I would like to see WD-40 tested too!
WD-40, a terrible lubricant, okay cleaner, decent water displacer, and brilliant aluminum cutting fluid
It's works fine...it just takes a lot...it works
because it's not a lubricant....lubrication it the keep metal parts from touching..
So the bit needs to burn off the lube before it can cut....I have best luck with atf.
@@liamstrong5223 dont forget wasp killer. WD-40 kills yellowjackets in about 5 seconds, and if you use the spray straw you can shoot em down while they're flying like little fighter planes.
This is literally the only channel that I insta-like every video. I don’t even need to watch the video to know it’s good. If it’s project farm, it’s quality. Never change man, keep this formula PLEASE! I get so worried that you’re gonna blow up and change something upon the behest of others, and lose the magic. These videos are gold the way they are!
Wow, thank you!
@@ProjectFarm He's right you know. I do exactly the same, hit the Like button as it starts, every time. You never disappoint.
I hit the like before watching too....
He's right.
Same here!
Pretty embarrassing for a company to develop a product, spend money on R&D, product packaging, marketing etc and it gets beat by bacon grease lol. Thanks so much for the video!
What's worse is when they put all the money into hype, packaging and advertisement gimmicks and not R&D like they are supposed to. As long as it sells and makes a big enough profit they don't change the effectiveness. The money goes to cost cutting measures in manufacturing instead of research in how to make it better with the new technologies. But we fall for it and they make money so it's hard to blame the business midel which is why channels like this one is so wonderful and important!
@@loosewirewire7954 Yep at the end of the day corporations exist to meet one goal - make money.
Maybe they should have tried bacon grease in their lab as well, as an average control product
Well to produce 500ml of bacon you need to cook about 1000g of bacon so all the developing is invested into those kinds of things. But hey if you want to cook 1kg of bacon instead of buying a 10$ bottle thats fine XD
@@mikevlek Of course I want to cook bacon instead. Then I have bacon to eat. 🥓🤤
Draining crankcase and filling with tap oil 😂 Best results yet on the bearing test!
Absolutely. They are obviously doing something wrong with motor oils
Good luck when temps get below freezing.
@@gringadoor5385 yeah, or high. Maybe it would hold. Maybe it's too expensive or toxic for us to use millions of gallons each year. Maybe it's silicon oil-based. It may be a good additive
@@trollmcclure1884 It probably has to do with metals inside the oil, can't have many nowadays with DPFs and such.
@@dimmacommunication Metals create a protective layer and maybe some other magic. Why would you make tap oil so slippery tho? I'm still confused
When I worked at the store I sold drill bits by the dozens, but not much cutting oil. Your video should make a believer out of anyone.
Thank you very much! I didn't realize it made such a huge difference.
Even if nothing else is available I will put a few drops of motor oil when I drill any type of metal.
I love this guy, he goes through so much to make test as accurate as possible
Thank you very much!
Some of the popular testers say "I think this one is best because it's best for me". PF's tests are useful to everyone, not just the tester. We're so lucky to have him.
My only complaint(mostly) is that he only runs the tests once. Three tests would increase the accuracy quite a bit and help weed out possible unknown influences that could affect the results.
@@stupaod And triple the work and expense, and it would no longer be fun.
@@stupaod I think for the purpose of this channel it would be almost redundant. I see your point and agree with it, although I think Todd sets his tests up in a way that's precise enough to avoid repeating them. After all, it's not like he needs very accurate data :)
Project Farm videos are VERY useful and the speed of the narration is good (won't put you to sleep).
Thank you very much!
Picked up some Tap Magic after watching this video. I needed to drill a bunch of holes in my truck frame and the instructions for the part I installed stated I would go through several drill bits. I purchased the bits PF recommended in the best drill bit video and completed the entire job using tap Magic & a single bit. Thank you Project Farm. Todd, you are the absolute best!
You are welcome! Thanks for sharing.
You have a methodical, vigorous and thorough style of investigation. Thank you, it is a pleasure to watch your videos.
Thanks so much!
The gymnastics some American companies do to avoid saying "made in China" is amazing.
That comment was made by, or under the supervisory control of, Max Mouse.
You'll note that most companies that say "Made in USA with global components" (or "proudly made...") usually have stickers all over the box and product saying such (DeWalt comes to mind).
You can take it to the bank that every major component was made elsewhere and they MAY have assembled those components here in USA, but more than likely the made in part refers to someone putting a sticker that says as much and maybe combining a part or two and boxing it all to be able to SAY "Made in USA"
Its really sad in my opinion
Max Mouse assembled in USA with international components aka made in China label applied in the states
@@dantethunderstone2118 , more like assembled in the US out of Chinese parts.
@@BAMAJiPS I got a couple of Empire 2' levels the other day, one is digital.
One of the reasons I got them is cause the box said made in USA.
After buying I had a look and only the vials are made in the USA, all the edge milling and assembly is done in Vietnam.
I'm always drilling through steel plates when working on projects. Now I know what to buy, thanks to your outstanding tests! 👍
Glad to help!
I've not watched it yet, but I'm hoping it's great value shortening
@Hydin Biden You realize that most press drill beds are made with a hole in the center just for that!!!
Respect how much time and effort this guy put into these videos, and does not even have a sponsor.
Oh, the smell of Tap Magic at three in the mourning. Bringing back memories.
Thanks for sharing.
Would the mourning be as a result of a broken tap. We have not had an effective tapping compound since 1.1.1 tricholoethane.
Cutting the new rapid tap with 5%acetone is OK but its still awful
I'm sorry for your loss.
probably the highest quality content i've seen in years. so much planning and effort goes into this that it shines through with brilliance!
Thanks so much!
Isn't he awesome
He's a one man Consumer Reports team that's free on TH-cam and actually has unbiased tests... Lol. Top 5 channels for sure
As a retired toolmaker, we swore by TapMagic even though we had no scientific data supporting that decision. We did use paste wax for finish machining/grinding on mild steel and aluminum with good results. Great video as usual! Keep up the great work!
Thanks, will do! Thanks for sharing.
I use to do a lot of electrical work in a tool & die shop. Firemen told me that Tap Magic works great but too expensive for them to use everyday. Have some cans of the earlier Tap Magic version that they changed back in the 1980's. It evaporated quickly and keep the tap cool.
At first I was going to ask why you had armor plating laying around, then I remembered it's 2020 and you're probably just turning your tractor into a tank so you're ready for the alien invasion in November.
Thanks for sharing.
@@ProjectFarm the non-commital answer. Wise, very wise.
@The Conjurer's Tower what's happening in November?
@@adriananderson1258 It's a joke, so many relatively wild things have happened this year (pandemic, riots, some close-call international conflicts) that an alien invasion would fit right in and barely even be a surprise. I think there's a meme template somewhere with each month's 'event' for the year, iirc the aliens arrive just before the meteor impact or something.
Queue mad lad intro music...
I want to paint my exhuast. I'd like to see a comparison of high heat paints.
Thanks for the video idea.
None work good over time, thats my experience atleast, and I've tried a few and seen a few more... The combination of really high heat during many cycles, exposure to water when hot etc makes it really hard to do.. Ceramic coating is the only thing that holds up over time, and even that struggles near the turbo's...
Titanium exhaust is the way to go.
That is a very good idea
I have found when it comes 2 engineering a clean surface 4 1. Then a good coat let it dry 4 a day then again.and works really well. I use plaid coat.
I wonder how well some of those cutting fluids would work as an "emergency" motor oil...
Thanks for the video idea.
I think a lot of the anti-wear additives in cutting fluid are based on sulphur. Be careful about the exhaust gasses is my tip. Other than that, it should work quite good.
Low sulphur diesel now contains biodiesel (soy methyl ester) in many markets as a lubricity improver. And the diesel fuel really needs it for people running older mechanically governed Diesel engines. The EPA lowered the fuel lubricity standard to meet the ultra low sulfur goal.
Gundrill oil please if you do that. Gundrill oil is a magical oil that would be very interesting in an engine because it might be far superior
I had the same first thought, so upvoting your comment and hoping for the best :)
I haven't done any machining in years and I'm not likely to return to it with any regularity but I do appreciate the effort you go to to isolate variables, considering the wide range and quantity of test setups you build.
I appreciate that!
What do you do instead of machining? Trying to get out
I think it's pretty clear we need to see how cutting fluid works as a motor oil!
Great suggestion!
With such low wear we need Matt from Warped Perception to bring a bottle on NOX along and then boys will be boys till an engine blows up.
When building out a prototyping machine shop at a previous employer, I tested a variety of cutting fluids, and Tap Magic came out on top. We used to buy it by the gallon and use it in misting systems on all of the equipment. Tool life was phenominal. Glad to see that you found similar results.
I love how you are fair on all your evaluations. Same weight on drilling, using timers, just every test you do is fair to all the things being tested and minimal human error or human influence in the tests. Great work.
When you say "we're gonna test that!" It gives me chills ;-)
Sorry to hear!
@@ProjectFarm I meant that as a compliment. I love when you say that. Please keep finding things to test. I've watched nearly all of your videos and learned SO much
That may be true (you getting chills), but I bet the manufacturers do too. 😁
Needs to be on a Tshirt or I need to be directed to the store that sells it.
I knew the outcome of this when I saw the title. I have been using Tap magic, recommended by a firearms engraver for it's super slick properties for All cutting tools... I have used it for about 30 years and it is the Best, hands down!
I have also tried nearly everything and nothing comes close to this stuff. Other items might help cutting kinda close but NOTHING comes close to Tap Magic for taking Care of and protecting expensive cutting bits.
Great video! Take Care and be safe, John
Thanks so much!
I really like this format where you run all the tests on one product, then all the tests on the next product, etc. I find it's more enjoyable than running all the products through one type of test, then all through the next test...
I was really concerned that the shortening may have gluten, thanks for clearing that up! 😂
Happy to help! lol
Fats *tend* to be gluten-free…
Project Farm - you're tests are so good, and I like how your commentary, testing, video and sound all improved with time. So much kudos to you. I hope you can stay unbiased moving forward. This channel is basically consumer reports, but you show the testing, teaching us people how the pros do it! it's awesome!
Thank you very much!
I never knew cutting fluid actually speeds up drilling times. I'm going to start using it all the time, probably CRC or 3 in 1 in a pinch.
Nothing really works once they got rid of 1.1.1 tricholoethane in rapid tap.
Cutting with the new rapid tap with 5% acetone works better than anything that was presented but its still useless by way of comparison.
Relton should have fought this as it has created far more environmental damage by not having it than the small amount of tricholo damage from use. Its not like there were millions of gallons of it made
Dude... thanks a million for this! Ask and you deliver! You're fast!
Thank you very much for requesting this one! 100% of the videos on this channel are viewer requested.
We literally sat down with our food a min until 5, hit refresh, there's the new vid, and we are good to go lol!
Hope you enjoy the food and video!
I can just imagine 3 guys sitting on tilted chairs eating pizza in a dark room and hitting f5
All they need to do is mix CRC with bacon grease and there's the winner, does the job and smells great at the same time 👍
Lol awesome man!
Been using Tap magic for 14yrs, Good stuff. Yes, I have to drill a crap ton of armor as well.
Project is my gold mine of learning what is best and has save me countless times.
I’m blown away by some of those tiny wear scars on the lubricity tester. I wonder how well RapidTap would work as engine oil? ;)
Be a expensive oil change !
Film strength on a plain bearing is not the same as how a tapping/cutting agent works.
He should run engines using cutting oils! Would be a great competition!
Or a 50/50 mix lol
Best me to this comment
Man, I was JUST thinking about you, like "hmmm I could really do with a Project Farm video right now" and Bam! Man you're the best haha
Wow, thanks! Happy Monday!
@@ProjectFarm actually, its tuesday already🙂or wait a minute, here finland its tuesday alr still.
I've only ever used Tap Magic. These results were really interesting!
Thanks so much!
Same here, the small 4 oz cans are handy when your work involves the use of an extension ladder.
I have used Tap Magic since 1970, but only to tap. Mostly with power tapping heads that tap much faster than hand tapping. Don’t use other stuff.
Same here. But you have to admit that bacon grease has the clear aroma advantage.
Tap magic,? It's not called drill magic? Must be a reason..lol
Been using 3-in-1 and WD-40 for decades for drilling and cutting threads (when I used anything at all) and have always been satisfied. But now that I'm older and tired of trashing good drill bits and taps & dies (especially when using nothing) I just ordered a big bottle of Tap Magic EP-Xtra after watching your video. Your videos have directly influenced at least a dozen of my purchases over the last year or so on numerous items, and I am grateful for all of the hard work and unbiased information you provide your viewers. Many thanks and please keep up the fine work, it is appreciated by many! 👍
Thanks, will do!
Now finally it has been found, BACON goes with everything. Proven.
Except the people that came from the sand and like their woman wrapped up
not for the aloha snackbar lover
@@StarlightWorkshop0z
Works excellent as a repellent.
@@wagonator6891 bacon could be the meaning of life
@@StarlightWorkshop0z Bacon IS the meaning of life. BACON.
You almost made me shoot Coca-cola out my nose when you started listing off the fat content of the shortening.
But for a request, how about a video testing studfinders?
That was my request yesterday. Buying a new house and will be doing a fair bit of work.
And to also test the live wire detection in concrete and other types of walls. It never really works for me.
Stud finders! Good one. I have many unnecessary holes in my drywall. I recently needed to hang something on an exterior wall covered in Stucco. I didn't even try my stupid studfinders on it.
@@Ronsonic Dewalt and Milwaukee both offer wall scanners that show everything inside a wall,electric,plumbing and studs
This is a great idea, I've used some pretty crappy name brand stud finders and some unknown Chinese brands that were awesome stud finders. I think this would be a great video to watch.
Tap magic was all ways the cutting oil of choice in my father's steel fabrication shop.
This test would be very interesting on stainless steel! This is the hardest metal to machine I have ever seen, but here the cutting oil may be crucial.
Great suggestion! Thank you.
@@ProjectFarm Tap Magic makes an "Xtra thick" with higher sulphur content for harder to machine metals like stainless.
I guess I'll be using tap magic in my diesel motor from now on.
Berlinetta I think you'd probably junk your engine. even though it might be better at lubricating, I'd be concerned about the hundreds of heat cycles your engine will experience in the time between oil changes.
Ahahaha good one
Micah N. r/whoosh
I was an automotive tech for many years. We were usually told by the tool dealers to use transmission fluid as cutting oil. Can you test it against some of the products used in this video? Love your channel
Thanks for the video idea.
Yes, I would also like to see transmission fluid tested
Also include rear axle / hypoid ep fluids.
I always used wd40 or silicon spray
I'd also like to see hypoid gear oil and trans fluid put up against the winners from this video
Never seen wear-scars that small before on your bearings! Makes me wonder if this stuff would make a great engine oil.
Great suggestion! Thank you.
I could be wrong but I think he shows wear scars with engine oil under the microscope so you might remember them being larger than they were.
Longer run time as well I think? Also, didn't mention what the bearing force was, so not sure if that's comparable or not.
If the oil is chlorinated or has sulphur it may generate toxic fumes.
maybe like an additive. would work great. though the same thing.
Thank you for the education.
I'm not a machinist, but it's great to see that something as simple as s cutting oil can make a huge difference in drilling and tapping.
You are welcome! Thanks for sharing.
For the first time in my life I have actually used the knowledge from the YT channel in real life situation.
Glad to hear! Thanks for watching.
As a man that quit high school, ended up with a physics degree and a medical degree, now returning to the trades I find you videos awesome. You understand and do an amazing job of scientifically evaluating comparisons and at the same time being real!!!
Thanks so much!
Wow, that's an amazing story. Would you consider making a video on how all that came about and post it on YT? It sounds like a very interesting story that would be very inspirational.
Since July 4th is coming up I was wondering if you could do a video on some charcoal and some other things related to grill outs like brushes and temp gauges. Other than that great video!
Great suggestion!
lots of pressed brickets contain a large portion of sand and dirt as cheap additives. Could be interesting to see, if there is a 'good' bricket brand out there. You can judge the quality by the amount of ash left
Agree, it would be great to follow up on the AvE ash video.
@@thorwaldjohanson2526 Try lump charcoal, i use a heat gun to get it going fast!
@@thorwaldjohanson2526 yeah and like charcoal alternatives made of wood
I have been using water for the last few years and it has been working great. I run a Kalamazoo saw with a water base solution and that works the best.
Dang, that was nearly 15 minutes long? Not once did I get impatient or check the time remaining in the video. I was completely absorbed and lost track of time, similar to dreaming. What is this sorcery?! 👍
lol Thanks for watching.
I just get sad when the video actually ends lol
Summer is here and already a particular hot one. TH-cam is bombarding us with "portable AC units" artic air and the like making outrageous claims such as cooling a room to 65° in just minutes which is obviously bs.. You do a great job with a scientific approach and a lot of us count on you and we all appreciate what you do.. Thank you.
@Hydin Biden yeah if that. I ended up buying one from home depot. It came with a 30 day return for $40 so i gave it a shot. It was the Arctic air but they are all basically the same. Electric fan that blows on ice from your freezer and water. It's garbage a gimmick. I knew better going in. Save yourself $40 and put a bucket of ice in front of your fan..
@Hydin Biden lol.. You could have been a millionaire should have patented it.. Lol but seriously those are basically the same concept of what you did but on a slightly smaller scale resulting in more trips to the freezer.. I don't know where they got their statistics on cooling a room to 65° in minutes they must have been performing the test in Antarctica mid winter on top of a mountain.
Oooohhh, THOSE kind of drilling lube.
Thanks for watching.
@@ProjectFarm Not even a BOT can answer that well to that comment :P
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LOL!
I was so glad to see at this time you have almost a million and a half subs~! This is another one of your videos that explains what I have been wondering about for over 50 yrs.~! Where else on Earth could we get these kind of comparisons~? You might not realize it but you have become something of a Scientist that we all have access to for all our questions about things we never knew but thought we did. Much Respect~!
Thanks so much!
Bacon grease would be great for drilling in the morning, and personal lube for "night drilling" 😂.
Mmm bacon creampie, yum.
Wow I think I saw that once on RT
Speaking from experience, the cutting oil is super useful when it comes to tapping holes. At my work place we use the CRC truetap stuff because it works well on a variety of different metals, from copper to tool steel
Thanks for sharing.
I would've liked to have seen the humble mineral oil.
And water ...
I've been using water with like 5% soap from a squirt bottle on the band saw lately,and it seems to make a nicer cut, probably because you can flood it heavy and keep it cool.
And WD-40
I use wd40 and was hoping he would include that :P
@@treyhart6861 -- I ran out of cutting oil just this weekend, thought I'd give wd-40 a shot since I had some handy. Just wasted my wd-40 as far as I could tell. It did boil off quickly so I expect it cooled things pretty well just by boiling off, but it didn't seem to provide any lubrication. That said, lots of people swear by it, so who am I going to believe, lot's of strangers on youtube or my lying eyes?
@@HadToChangeMyName_TH-camSucks I've only found it useful as a cleaner to remove oily scum. It's about as effective as paint thinner, but smells better. Drilling-tapping-cutting? Zero effectiveness.
After watching this video I bought Tap Magic EP-XTRA and Tap Magic Aluminum. Both have made a huge difference for sawing, drilling, and thread cutting. Definitely worth the money.
Great to hear! Thanks for sharing!
Who thinks that he should try rapid tap as engine oil
yeah seriously the super low wear marks on the bearing is very interesting, like a full oil and heat analysis would be fun to watch compared to a good synthetic motor oil or like an oil additive
Absolutely this, It would be neat to see how it compares
I agree
This
Was about to come down and comment this myself, I think it'd be neat if he did all others the ones with a small wear scar as well.
Would love to see a Behind the Scenes style video. Maybe showing how much raw footage you have to look through and edit, camera setups, how you started out, how much effort you have to do shopping for all the goods, and bloopers lol idk I am just spit balling ideas! I love the channel, its borderline theraputic watching and listening to you work away! Keep the videos coming!!
Thanks for the suggestion.
I second that emotion~!! (borrowed from Smoky)
I was always a motor oil guy until my last job had me spending a lot of time in our machine shop. I jumped on the tap magic bandwagon after seeing it work.
I personally like the smell too.
I enjoy and benefit from your videos. And if folks are determined to buy drill bit lubricant, this video will help them too. There is one thing that will help them even more. Understanding that the GOAL is not to "lubricate" the drill bit as we lubricate bearings and other moving parts, to form a protective barrier between two metal surfaces, to reduce friction and wear. The whole point of a drill bit is to make aggressive contact with a metal surface and cut it up. Lubricating a drill bit is only a METHOD, the GOAL is to COOL the bit and thereby preserve its strength. REFRIGERATION is EVAPORATION. Window cleaning liquid made with an amount of ammonia evaporates very quickly. Mount a 1/2 inch drill bit and drill into hard steel for a solid non-stop 2 minutes while periodically squirting it with "Windex". Withdraw the bit from the hole and touch the tip of it with your bare hand. The tip will be COOL to the touch. If you use window cleaner made with ammonia, and do not otherwise abuse your bits, they will last "forever".
Glad to hear! Thanks for the feedback.
One thought, tapping fluids are also meant to extend the life of drills. I tend to be less concerned about drilling times, but how long the drills last through multiple cycles.
Realistically, the cutting time is one of the best gauges. The more time a tool spends cutting into something, the more heat that's generated and wear on the tool. The key to making any cutting tool last longer is to keep it cool.
@@TonyGingrich use carbide tools with correct feed and speed. No tool is going to last if it's being fed by hand. Drill press you should use HSS and water, and get good practice sharpening a drill
Tony Gingrich Heat is a factor, but lubricity (did I make up that word?) also matters. I could use flood coolant on a drill and have it cut more quickly but not necessarily have the drill last longer. Maybe this is just my experience. Would like to hear your thoughts.
Thanks for doing this test and all your tests. I use Tap Magic and mostly Boeing's BoeLube, either in stick or liquid form, on steel. For aluminum, I use WD-40. I'd love to see a comparison of BoeLube versus some of the top finishers in this test, especially Tap Magic. Unused synthetic motor oil would be a good thing to test, too.
You are welcome! Thanks for the video idea.
Came here to make same request. Also water soluble cutting fluids.
Also, , I'm keenly interested in your test method development, they seem very creative and focus on repeatability.
For this test 2 variables stand out. 1) at breakout having constant pressure its not surprising to see the heel break since the length of cutting edge decreases during breakout. Thats why we reduce pressure at breakout.
2) How would these results look with power feed instead of constant pressure? Could vary feed rate to find fastest.
Love the videos!
Having seen the wear scars I'd be curious to see if tap magic could be used as an engine oil and if the lower friction would result in better performance.
Thanks for the video idea.
Hi,
I watched this video a while ago as I am building a steel framed house.
I was having all sorts of issues with drill bits and screws going through the metal bits breaking or wearing down in short time trying to drill pilot holes, and screws just not getting through the steel.
I jumped on to Amazon and bought some Tap Magic, I live in Australia so it took quite a while to get here from the US and it wasn't cheap.
When I started using it, OMG, your tests indicated it was good, but I was unprepared just how good it was.
1 small drop on the drill bit and I am slicing through 4mm posts and bearers like hot knife through butter, I tested with and without it and the difference is nothing short of miraculous. I even use a ½ a drop on the self drilling screws and the same result.
I can't begin to tell you how grateful I am to your continuous testing of different products, I have Project Farm saved as a youtube link and you have provided me with much insight into many products over the years for which I am very grateful.
Thanks! Glad to hear!
Dude, you nailed it... you really drilled in on what was needed. This video was like a well-oiled machine. No shortening this video, it's like watching 3-in-one videos. You really tapped into what was needed. You were able to shave off the little bits that weren't needed and focus on the best cut when on the cutting floor for editing. This video makes me want some bacon (turkey bacon for me).
Thanks!
I feel like there has been a distinct lack of bedroom lubricant testing on this channel. I assume you have a test jig for that.
i second coconut oil
What? As a cutting oil!? Seems like an expensive way to make your shop smell like a "first profession" house.
Just spit on it,ram it home!
@@michaelmcgregor3108
if the olady smelled like kroil , I wouldnt mind so much.
@Taylor Schiff Oh come now, a little benign humor is good for the soul.
it's amazing how you devise all of these tests. That bearing wear test is so cool
Thanks for watching.
Things you do, like the closeup views of the edges of the drill bits, magnified, and tracing back and forth with a pointer - stuff like this adds tremendously to your videos. I mention this because it comes and goes so fast, yet I realize what it takes to make those shots. I notice these things because I want to make my own videos, so I don't just watch your videos, I watch how you make them.
Thanks 👍
Like clockwork, always end my mondays with your videos before bed! Cheers mate. Very impressive testing approach.
Would have been fun seeing how good Rocol would have compared since that is what we use where I work!
Thank you very much! I'm always here for everyone on Mondays. Trying to help make Mondays better
@@ProjectFarm Much appreciated, one of the absolute best channels on YT for sure! Keep it up
As I've said before, love all the vids, keep them going!
Thanks, will do!
I really liked this test. Very systematic approach, keeping conditions consistent for all contenders. I would have liked to see how well ordinary tap water would do. I have used it with good results when nothing else was available. Hell, I have spit on a drill bit and it worked well. Like you said, anything is better than nothing........Thanks for all the good work.
Thanks and you are welcome!
That Oatey (dark, not light) worked MARVELOUSLY when I had to drill a few hundred 1/2" holes through some 5/16" thick steel. One drill bit on a manual feed drill press, found the sweet spot for RPM and feed pressure. Never stopped to resharpen the drill bit.
Thanks for sharing.
07:30 lol, that's what I look for when buying cutting oil
lol Thanks for watching.
Love coming home from work on mondays and watching your latest video. Actually used quite a few of your videos to decide on some new tools, keep up the awesome videos man!
Awesome! Thank you!
I would have loved to see marvel mystery oil in this.
Thanks for the suggestion for a future video.
What about Amsoil synthetic oil?
Awwww that would've been awesome
Automobile oils burn and evaporate when you use them for cutting.
@@davidscott5903 Amsoil makes all kinds of stuff, but nothing specifically for tapping/drilling.
Nice Video. This 71-year-old has been using Tap Magic for drilling metal since I was a youngster helping dad or working on my own projects in his shop. I miss the metal cans it used to come in as the delivery of the product was more precise. The plastic bottles it comes in now with the short stubby flip up nozzles makes application sloppy and wasteful.
I wish you would have tested another fluid I often use when I have a large number of holes to drill. That fluid is water. Yes, water. It works great. The only negative to it is rust if you don’t dry and spray oil on your tools and work piece afterwards. The engineer that turned me onto water simply said,” you don’t need to lubricate it, you want to cool it”. A hand pump spray bottle with the nozzle adjusted like a water-pistol let you deliver plenty right to the spot. A plastic trash can under my floor stand drill press catches the water and shavings. Wipe or blow off the table and bit and a quick spray oil job prevents the rust.
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.
😁"in case you're wondering: it's gluten free"...made me fall off of my chair laughing
lol. Nice!
Yes~everyone is Cou Cou about Gluten~!!!
Gluten free did better job than Lenox😂
"This product was not tested on animals" also " Caution! This product made in a facility where workers may be eating peanuts"
Me taking my parts to inspection. Inspector: “why do these parts smell like bacon”
lol Thanks for watching.
The second of the adverts was for an earwax removal tool. Did you try drilling armour plate using earwax for a cutting lubricant? I can't imagine it would smell as appetising as bacon grease.
My dad has worked at Timet Metals as a machinist for 0ver 40 years. They manufacture rolls of titanium for companies such a Boeing, and Tap Magic is one of their top cutting fluids used. They also have special cutting fluids specifically made for them when having to machine titanium.
Thanks for sharing.
Try liquid hand soap as engine oil. I bet that would be interesting.
Instant foam maker!
Great suggestion! Thank you.
@@ProjectFarm Heck! Try liquid soap as cutting oil, too! Now, we've got organic cutting oil, WD40, water, and liquid hand soap to compare with the winners of this test. And why not olive oil as well ...? Anyway, it ought to be interesting. :)
I always found it leaves a nasty ring around the oilpan.😆
@@ProjectFarm Dish soap has more lubricity, it'd be great if you tested dish soap as engine oil instead.
I have been searching for a video like this for a long time. Thanks so much for showing this comparison. You did a great job of standardizing the process and allowing direct comparisons.
Thanks and you are welcome!
Tap magic as engine oil!! :D
You forgot to test wd40 😅
Great point!
Maybe WD40 should be the new control on most tests 😁
I really struggle for the best words to express how grateful I am for your videos. At any rate, thank you!
Thanks and you are welcome!
thank you so MUCH! I/ "WE"> so many of us really LOVE and CHERISH/RESPECT: your tests that you do! Thanks SO MUCH!
You are so welcome!
out on the construction site I've had to literally spit on drill bits to cool them down because there was no cutting fluid available lol. If you follow up this video with more products you should include spit and wd-40 LOL
Many years ago in 1987 on my engineering apprenticeship one of the tutors called Ken a time served ex toolmaker told me spit is a good cutting fiuld to use if you run out of anything else.
Yeah, testing out spit as lube would be a good test. Throw some KY in there as well.
I use wd-40 and I've never had any problems. Wish he would've used it so i can see what I'm missing
Spit is better than nothing. Usually if I'm roughing it I'll have a shallow cup of water and dip the bit in it periodically to cool it. Most people just run too high RPM and then nothing helps. Drilling steel you need to keep the surface speed below 100 feet a minute. So a 7/32" diameter bit you need to run under 1,800 RPM. Which is about what a cordless drill typically turns. Any larger diameter bit you need to run even slower. But shallow hole drilling you can overdrive.
@jubjub247 if I am roughing it I'm lucky to find a cup. In my shop I use Rapid Tap. Straight water rusts my mill.
IDEA: compare impact wrenches, air and electric
Seems to have many variables to account for, because how there is a large discrepancy between torque ratings because a 200nm Makita is stronger than a 400nm ryobi as far as I know.
It's a good idea but for most the battery is just so versatile it will be a first choice. No hoses. You know how nice it is to rough wire a house with NO CORDS. ITS SEX
@@liamczarnecki3275 if you use them on heavy machinery they'd have no chance
I know impact drivers with cords and some with air weaker than our Milwaukee Fuel (don't know the model number) battery powered impact driver. And this is definitely not the strongest available battery powered driver.
@@bastiannenke7101 you don't have enough airflow and not compensated for pressure drop impacting the working air pressure.
Your videos give a great understanding. I think mostly fluids are used to maintain the cutting edge which gets mangled with heat. When the outside of the edge get eroded then the outside cutting edge moves up the shaft. This heats up and expands. That's why drills are a few 1/10's undersize because the tip expands and the sidewalls don't bind because they are slightly cooler and lubricated by anything that keeps it cool. Many cutting fluids are basically water and measured by refraction so that the amount of lubricant is just enough. It would depend on the material too. There is a vicat point for aluminum just the same as plastics and a bit not designed for aluminum may just push metal out of the way rather than cut it. Keeping the cutting area cool and wet is going to save your tools and many materials used today are designed to do the opposite.
Thanks for the feedback.
I love the smell of Tapmatic, it’s a cutting fluid and I believe it’s actually food safe as well. Smells like a cinnamon candle as it burns off.
Thanks for sharing.
That must be an acquired smell.
Leland Holton very much like cinnamon
Meh.. oil is oil.
Project Farm: “We’re gonna test that”.
Haha and engine oil got beat out by bacon grease and shortening. Who would've guessed that.
Thanks for watching.
Project Farm You still haven’t tried maple syrup 🇨🇦. You know drilling into a maple tree doesn’t require drilling oil so what does that tell you?
@@ThatGuy-sd3zl that it's living wood.
@@ProjectFarm you should try ethanol base windshieldwasher liquid or e85 with drilling. i have tried windshieldwasher liquid with lathe and millingmachine drilling and i think it can outperform every of these product
I was always taught that the purpose of the cutting fluid was as a coolent more than a luberacant just wondering what you thought thank you
Makes sense. The purpose of a lubricant would be to reduce the wear between the bit and the metal.
I would agree when steel heats up at tends to soften I think it helps to keep the temperature down that is a primary factor
It’s both as it friction that damages the cutting edge on the drill . I see he used a recommendation drill speed chart. 350 rpm still looked to quick unless the film footage was speeded up . We use Boe lube at work develop by Boeing it’s the best stuff I used yet but I guess it’s not for sale to the public.
Waltjr Schommer It is friction that causes the heat. Reduce the friction and the need for a coolant goes down dramatically.
I stumbled upon this after finding your "spreadsheet". (Goody goody). Anyhow, Tap Magic always gave me a blistering headache. (Worked in the machine tool industry for 3 decades) My alternative has always worked ... WD-40. I wouldn't use it as a lubricant. But for tapping? Cheap and excellent. Love your attention to detail. Never fail to laugh at a comment or poor cousin Eddie. Awesome channel. Thank you for all the time you spend. I teach. I understand. Those who don't? Should become politicians. LOL
Thanks! Thanks for sharing.