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Counter Abilities - Are They "No Skill"? | League of Legends
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Counter abilities are a subset of abilities in League that allow champions to respond against a certain type of class or attack just by activating them. Today I want to go over whether they're brainless or "no skill" abilities or healthy to have in the game.
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Sett's W is a counter ability to enemies that deal damage by deleting them in a fight, best counter method
-Sett mains
death is the best counter
sett w is best counter cause it deals physical damage, true damage, and mental damage to the enemy.
@@sman7070 or be a speedy character and run around in circle with him 😂
xero has never played Sett before
Honestly sett's w is a really cool ability, I never played sett but playing against him always feels fair, no matter the champ am on or role
I think the most rage inducing part of windwall is that it works in both directions. You're fighting Yas as a ranged champ and he windwalls; instead of wimping out you decide to go fight him like a man and cross the wall, and he just sits in the middle of it where he relies on the wall's hitbox destroying whatever you throw at him no matter what direction, or he keeps walking to the opposite side that you go on. Or Samira's windwall, I feel, shouldn't block projectiles from hitting her if the projectiles originate from inside of it.
Oh so I was RIGHT about Samira's windwall
I had a game where I didn't land a hook originated inside the wall and everyone said I just missed that
That hook just got blocked immediately like I saw
Samira's one isn't a wall and she shoots the projectile that enter
@@cherno8336 yeah it's more of a range indicator
in slow motion you can see her shooting bullets at each projectile she's blocking, it's really cool
Yeah this, and that some spells are blocked entirely, when just 1 Pixels hits it.
Namis entire ultimate just disappears, when it even just hits the wind wall with 1 Pixel from the side.
For someone like MF Ult, all shots that didn't hit the Wall are flying further.
@@imStorm3r Royal Guard
It always struck me as completely insane that Yasuo as a manaless midlaner who can slaughter mages get to have his Windwall for free and has absolutely no way around it. While Braum as a dedicated support who has actual costs and HAS HIS ENTIRE IDENTITY BUILT AROUND BEING A SHIELD! Still can be affected by abilities and takes (admittedly much reduced) damage while he's using his shield.
Simple
Yasuo's passive is the most easy thing to proc, even as a melee champ
Yasuo is a melee ADC, with actually less defensive base stats than a lot of ranged champ
Yasuo is basically an immobile melee ADC if he is not in lane with a minion wave
His Windwall is often his only means to survive/outplay in the River/Jungle/Without a wave
And not to mention that Yasuo's W has 30 secs CD most of the game
Basically, if he counters your abilities with his W, wait 10 secs that your CDs are up, then engage again
@@OuhHey yasuo is way tanker than any ADC
@@OuhHey yasuo doesnt have to build 5 crit items like almost all adcs. He can get 2crit items and deaths dance and what not. Hes definitely not squishy.
@@OuhHey ah no mobility with with no minions and one of the highest if he is in a minion wave; convenient how you skip the last part
@@cherno8336 With his base stats, he is not
I think a great example of a counter ability is Airblast in TF2. You can ruin someone's day with it and one shot them, but if they expect it coming they can punish you too. So it becomes a battle of skill rather than 'press button to win'
The only problem is you’re comparing a moba to a fps, fps allows far greater freedom in expressing skills, meanwhile mobas mainly focus on macro elements instead of micro elements like aim, it’s harder to make a “skillful” ability
i think its more about effort, they need to put more thought to play around the counter spell, but the person with the counter spell needs far far less effort to outplay enemy trying to play around your annoying skill.
@@nickblack9827 Most modes in tf2 are objective based and in competive you Play a mirrored matchup in 9vs 9 or Play 6vs6 and ignore useless classed Like Spy Pyro and Sniper in Most maps
It would be very interesting if windwall would block EVERY projectile including the one on your team. Of course, trolls would be delighted to counter their own team so it would be a super bad idea but it would be interesting to see it at high level of gameplay with serious player
Bard, Kalista, Tahm Kanch...
This or make his him only be able to ult off own knock ups or both and buff him accordingly
I think yasuo is fine right now as he is but if they gonna decide to nerf his windwall, they don't need any significant changes, just reduce the time of windwall's duration when casted, or have it scale up having lower duration lvl 1 than normal..
Yasuo's windwall isnt even that bad.. just look at ksante W
It's sad that yasuo counters half the champions in the game but then is counters by the rest. Would love being able to play the game aganist an olaf while not feeling bad for hard stomping a seraphine
I'm ok with counters when they aren't perfect parries, pantheon can only do it in one direction and it only stops the damage part so a root or slow still affects, I'm less ok with yas who can straight up remove ADCs from a fight if the area is anywhere in the jungle
not just adc's many mages too
Ive said this constantly on other videos but I still cant get over that it feels like Yasuo's W is a better Braum (you know, the guy who's whole schtick is shielding and protecting people) e. It isn't always better since Braum can move his shield, but COME ON.
Yuumi is a hard counter to my desire to play the game, since i can't murder the parasite without destroying the host first.
message I approve
funny enough, i think Yuumi is countered the hardest by things that dont belong in the bottom lane. I have had astronomical success against yuumi playing things like Urgot support, Sett support, Sion support, things of that nature. i recommend giving it a shot.
The problem with counter abilities is that it turns league into more of a team game. Which only the person who’s getting countered will realise.
There’s a reason I bound my laugh key as Singed. Walking right up to Fioras and laughing almost always seems to make the parry early, then I can flip them.
Shhh don’t tell the wholesome gigachad tank players about this, if they can’t just upfront do their Ornn 1-shot combo with no damage items and win they think its broken.
Yasuos windwall should be tied to his passive. If his passive is full, he can either use his windwall, which would consume his passive, or he can hold its passive to block some upfront damage
So fucking funny thing to say when his passive is the most easy thing to proc, even as a melee champ
So funny thing to say when Yasuo is a melee ADC, with actually less defensive stats than a lot of ranged champ
So funny thing to say when the champ is basically an immobile melee ADC if he is not in lane with a minion wave
And not to mention that Yasuo's W has 30 secs CD most of the game
Basically, if he counters your abilities with his W, wait 10 secs that your CDs are up, then engage again
@La Hire So... I presented my idea as an invitation for discussion and different ideas. The way I stated it was deliberately vague because I don't know how that ability would be balanced the way I described it, I just know it has the potential to be healthier for the game
@@thatguy_5240
And your idea is just shit, healthier only for you. For Yasuo, this would just gut him even more.
@@OuhHey I think you're a salty yas main honestly
@@OuhHey Yasuo is not healty for the game. We delete him or we change how that fucking wall work. Deal with it.
Honestly I think the better fix for Wind Wall would be to give it a cap to how much damage it can block, it's own little HP pool. It still sucks to deal with for a lot of ADCs but it gives you the option to chop it down rather than being useless for the whole fight. All in all I think the most egregious counter abilities kinda have that same problem, they're unlimited in their effectiveness, there's no "power through it" option that is accessible to every champion it could apply to.
I love that a small breeze is more durable than Braums shield.
"lets nerf a D tier sub 50% winrate champ because walking to the right hard"
@@jacket7241 Have you considered that wind wall is the reason he can't be buffed, and that a nerf to that would allow him to be buffed elsewhere?
@@jacket7241 when you lose the fight because your adc had no way to go around then dont cry kiddo. And judging by winrate says a lot about you
@@SlytherpuffHouse beat me to it.
maybe Yasuo W should only be usable when he has the passive stacked, making the ability much harder to use and giving the opponents some counterplay , but to compensate they could make the passive break a portion with dmg
The only problem is if you play yas you will notice that if he is not in lane he doesn't have any way to defend him self, he mobility is hight but situational, so if he has no w on Jung (70% of the map) he literally can do nothing, nado is to slow evey normal player can doged it and e even tho low cooldown has also low range and not the same cooldown has irelia's q or reset mechanic, so yeah his w is stronger by all means but you can not saying is kit is stronger because w most of the times is the only way of him surviving in situations without minions. Believe me you are not going to dash around on a TF like crazy because normal people focos you and a smart ADC would keep him self way from is 3q.
"Giving the opponents some counterplay"
So fucking funny thing to say when his passive is the most easy thing to proc, even as a melee champ
So funny thing to say when Yasuo is a melee ADC, with actually less defensive stats than a lot of ranged champ
So funny thing to say when the champ is basically an immobile melee ADC if he is not in lane with a minion wave
And not to mention that Yasuo's W has 30 secs CD most of the game
Basically, if he counters your abilities with his W, wait 10 secs that your CDs are up, then engage again
@raynaldo arlen k.eman Are you dumb ?Anything can proc his passive, a random AA, a random luden proc, even a jngl monster AA
@@OuhHey alot of the time outside of lane in a skirmish or fight, waiting is not an option. Fights are sometimes over in the early-mid game before the wall is even down. Not to mention he has passive to rely on for shielding that is actually gathered just as easily as it is taken. You can get passive multiple times in a fight easily if you ult. Add in his mobility through fights with E and his R and you have quite a fiend to try to deal with. Windwall can stay, but it definately needs tweaks on activation or maybe a durability meter so it can be taken down so that late game an ADC isnt completely out of s fight due to 1 button even if they position well
Thank god some of you idiots are not on the balancing team yas is a F tier champ his windwall is the only thing that keeps him from having mains going from 0/10 to 0/20
I think no-skill counters are those that have a lengthy duration. If it doesn't last too long (fraction of a second up to a second max) it should be fine. Imagine if Yasuo's windwall was just one slash that breaks projectiles, or Samira's was similar but breaks projectiles on both activations only.
I think Fioras W is the most problematic. It being an attackspeed movespeed slow that lets you win sooo many trades even if you misuse it completely makes no sense.
Wait if you miss the counter you still get most of the benefits that's crazy
it still has to hit, but you can still use it without blocking any damage or crowd control
it still has to hit, but you can still use it without blocking any damage or crowd control
Just avoid it… you acting like it’s point and click
@@onthedre That is not the point at all.... This is about ability power budget. Its a cc damageimmune attackspeed movespeed slow aoe ranged passive proc damage attack....
I always liked the way Dota handles counters, in the sense that the game revolves entirely around them, every hero counters someone and is countered by someone else, and every item is made to either patch up your own weakness, or counter something, which in return is countered by something else
Except Doom, its whole point is to counter everything
But doom plays off a timing, he is very weak early and late. Once enemy carry is fed enough they can man fight while doomed
The thing about counter abilities supposedly having no counterplay is that they are THE counterplay. Some are better designed than others.
Some are given extra effects to not make them dead abilities on situations they're not useful (Mordekaiser's R giving stats, Fiora's W inflicting an attack speed slow when she can't stun), which is where I give props to Windwall. It is great against projectiles, but projectiles is all it is useful against. Same for old Pantheon's passive. It blocked auto-attacks, but that's all it blocked and it was irrelevant against other things.
I think the issue is when some counter abilities provide pressure instead of providing a defense, what I mean is when a button completely nullifies a type of damage you take for a while and you're still allowed to maneuver with it or punish your opponent for not being able to get away in time; e.g. Jax W or Fiora W with her attack speed and movement speed debuff being excessive even if the W doesn't hit. Windwall and Miasma have more counter play imo as you are not directly punished with getting hard or soft CC'd.
I really expected this video to be about, like, different counters. Like "enter a stance, and if someone hits you they take a ton of damage back" type of counters
Fun fact about wind wall. If katarina throws a q or w, wind wall can eat it after it lands. This doesn’t make sense since it’s no longer a projectile, and even less sense considering that xayah’s feathers don’t have the same problem and will still drop just in front of the wind wall
I think that Wind Wall should have a hit point amount that it blocks. It has, maybe a 15 second cooldown, but it can only block X number of things before it goes away.
The best stuff you can to make a GOOD ability is to make conditions. Conditions turns "in any incomprehensible situation press x" or "well, deal with it now" ability into tactical tool.
Good example is, I'd even say, early reworked Panth's E, when he slowed himself.
Basically he traded ms for directional invulnerability. Thus he had to think of usage, retreat ways, etc. He had (and still has) no offense use of it (looking at your base damage of Parry, Fiora), like situation where Panth Es you to kill you or do damage to you is some exceptional stuff (and this is while summed ad scale of ability is quite high). And means of countering (walking around) were accesible to everyone, even slow champs (and that's without keeping in mind Panth can be cced, etc.). So you have that choice of fight or flight, and that choice is accesible basically to everyone, since everyone can move. You can either go away, or go full offensive, working with conditions of block. If that was not perfectly designed ability, than surely it was close.
And, yeah, it has quite a cd (22-15, e.g. Fiora's Parry has 24-15). But here we should keep in mind, that cd stuff works on other plane. Cd is about power budgeting. Not about direct fighting. Cd, mana cost, all that stuff do nothing in combat directly. Cd, who could thought, does NOT MAKE YOU INVULNERABLE by itself. Mana cost of ability DEALS ZERO DAMAGE by itself. Thus, while one can look at power of the ability when balancing it with cd, primary objective here is to balance it on that "quasi-economical level". Not on level of fights.
I feel this too. as an Ornn Top main, getting countered every game by Fiora, Vayne, etc is annoying. Especially when my team wants me to pick first for my lane. The troubles of Top Lane island.
I used to main kayle, but.... first picking her is a death sentence.
@@grodkowski any first pick in top lane is a death sentence
if you’re not banning fiora as Ornn, who are you banning?
@@shaan2639, Vayne?
@@user-vy9mk7um1b fiora can completely deny Ornn in laning phase and throughout the entire game and will outscale him (despite Ornn being one of the strongest tanks), vayne can only do so much til level 9, but she is a lot easier to deal with than fiora if Ornn was to build thornmail/frozen heart to reduce AS(what vayne relies on) and healing. Yes both are good counters to Ornn but vayne is a lot bearable to beat imo compared to fiora since her true damage is at a cap, whereas fiora just scales till 6 items.
0:10 Veigars Ult was specified for a class many years ago... when it did Base Damage+AP+80% of the Targets AP :D
I really like Pantheon's E, it's like perfectly designed for me
I wonder, is Gwen W a counter ability. I mean its a bs counter to all artillery mage and any long range projectile or target ability its like what Jarvans ult could be
I wonder if Zileon ult also a counter
vars great video! can u pls do a video on empowered AA?
maybe a good balance idea for Yasuos wind wall is him having to have max flow or his passive in order to activate it & yes it would also consume his flow so you'd miss out on the shield or another option is to cut how long the windwall lasts in half, 4 seconds is to long, if it only lasted 2 seconds, I doubt it would annoy people anywhere near as much
IMO the biggest problem with League's balance is not that extremely powerful abilities such as these exist, but rather that many champions (usually stat-sticks) don't have the right tools to play around them. Instead of making said abilities weaker and/or more situational, I'd rather give everyone else some way to deal with them. I understand it's hard with over 170 characters and only 4 ability slots each, but you don't need to tweak every single champion for every single matchup - you can also try to fix some issues with universal tools (e.g. items, runes and summoner spells). For instance, you could make a tank item (which would actually be built by bruisers, but we don't wanna give it too many offensive stats lest assassins start building it too) with an active ability that reduces your own damage for a few seconds, but then significantly increases your stats for a while. This way toplaners would have a way to deal with counters and other combat-stalling abilities. As for ADCs, I personally believe that class needs to be reworked as a whole in order to be more consistent, but that's a topic for another day
feed adc can win game with his support, this role is broken, no nees to rework
I just thought of a skill concept, but I think it might be too op.
Imagine a skill that the user can press a button to become in a similar state to Zhonyas, where no harm can get to it, not even Karthus ult, but they can keep using all their skills like normal. The bad side is that they need to be near an ally. More specifically, attached to them, while losing the ability to walk by yourself. But I guess that'd be still too op.
Yummi? 🤨
@@guilhermenunes7591 Yup, you guessed it.
@@Dyzinel 😎
Eh, not crazy enough. They need to multiply the attached ally's adaptive force.
I think Mundo's new W is one of the best designed counters in that it's relatively balanced in terms of its upsides and downsides. It bears many similarities to Fiora's Riposte, but unlike it, it:
- Does not negate damage, only converts it to grey health. Meaning that the lower your health gets, the less damage this ability can negate, and being cc'd to prevent a recast can also render it useless.
- Costs a substantial portion of your HP to cast. Meaning that, especially early in lane with your piss-poor regen and increased health costs, mistiming this ability is basically the equivalent of shooting yourself in the foot (literally).
- Requires you to hit an enemy with the recast to gain the full effect. If you're, say, blocking a full combo from a mage or assassin during a jungle skirmish, you likely won't be in range to recast on a champion, meaning you're only parrying around 40 - 45% of the damage of the inital burst, and only 12% of any damage after that. Still substantial, but nothing near the grand total of 0 that you would take if you had used Riposte instead.
- The counter can itself be countered by building grievous wounds or running ignite.
The idea of giving yasou‘s windwall a lower CD but it’s only useable when he has empowered q and his q will be used once he chooses windwall is crazy good
It's really not. It takes 2.66 seconds with 2 items or 8 seconds with no items to get 2 stacks of Steel Tempest, at which point you can cast the tornado (or can choose to cast windwall in our case). If he can't pre-emptively stack it, he can't fight anyone at any time, because until 2 items it takes 5-8 seconds to stack windwall, in 5-8 seconds he just straight up dies while trying to get to you if you are ranged, if you are melee windwall matters almost not at all. He also can't dodge auto-attacks with E so by the time he stacks up windwall he is propably on 200 HP.
And then we get to the fun part. He already is locked out of his ultimate for 3.99 seconds at best. If he had to CHOOSE whether he wants Windwall or Last Breath, he would need at least 6,65 seconds to get his full kit ASSUMING he lands the tornado and casts Windwall first. Having 2 abilities locked behind the SAME stacks would absolutely gut Yasuo and make him totally useless. I don't think this is the right way...
So fucking funny thing to say when his passive is the most easy thing to proc, even as a melee champ
So funny thing to say when Yasuo is a melee ADC, with actually less defensive stats than a lot of ranged champ
So funny thing to say when the champ is basically an immobile melee ADC if he is not in lane with a minion wave
And not to mention that Yasuo's W has 30 secs CD most of the game
Basically, if he counters your abilities with his W, wait 10 secs that your CDs are up, then engage again
@@OuhHey than just increase the rest, you gotta put your yasou bias aside and realize that windwall is way too strong like it is rn. Also as Long As he has that crit passive he will always be really strong. Because no matter how long his defensive stats are, due to his crit passive he is allowed to go really defensive after 2 crit items. If his defensive stats were anywhere near any other ranged champs, he would be the most broken champ in the game, because his build path negates all his counters and strengthens his strengths
@@musictovibewithsomany1212
Then, his windwall is useless or almost against 50/60% of the league roaster because they don't have projectiles or important ones
Basically, this video is just Mages and ADCs main crying over a champ 100 times more skilled than their champ
And also, wtf do you mean the champ is strong ?
Yasuo barely has 47% winrate on Plat +
Yasuo is only good in Iron/Bronze/Low Silver
@@The_WhiteI agree with this. It's just bad design imo to lock both abilities behind the same condition. That would mean Yasuo has just 3 abilities at a time when tornado is up, and 2 when it's not if my math is correct lol.
Honestly why don't they just reduce the width of wind wall? It gets bigger with levels--why does it have to be that way?
a small but i believe good chgangeto yasuo´s windwall is to slowly move forward getting smaller unitl vanishing. this way yasuo could aproach more easily without minions, and also getting rid of plopping down winddwall and playing around it vs ranged champions, this being just moving to the other die and hitting Q's.
It's so wild that kayle now has to stop attacking to become inv meanwhile jax will kick your butt and you can do nothing about it
Kayle also used to be a Yasuo counter, before her rework
Kayle has a free auto reset that doubles as an execute free aoe. If you want to auto during your ult then atleast make your champ actually melee and not the weird hybrid thing that gets a ton of range just by reaching level 6.
@@Valigarmanda That's if you are allowed to hit level 6
@@kevinwalker6840 very few unplayable matchups for kayle
@@tyrelltgoat2841 Just curious what matchups do you say is unplayable?
i totally agree, for example Yasiou W, as a main adc there was literaly nothing i could if there is ever a fight, it is so massive, that any sort of teamplay around it just fails, and i am useless during 4 seconds, the only thing i could hope was for my team to think back off and come back when i could be useful, but still, there is no counter, nothing i could do about it.
It is absolutely shit
Yasuo litteraly have been stuck with 47% winrate on Plat+ for 2 patch, now
And this idea would gut him even more
Also, Yasuo is probably one of the 5/10 most "Skill - Expressive" champs in the game
Why do you want to make him even more "Skill Expressive", why do you want to make his life harder ?
@@OuhHey Sure Yas in terms of midlane match ups, right now is not good, also being a complex champ, most peopel suck as yasuo. But just the fact that one skill completely counters an entire position, is not good.
His W is not part of his skill expressión, it is just you use it, you counter all projectiles. Yasuo is such a big counter to all ADC that they have no counter play to it, what counter does an ADC have to yas wall?
@@principal-videojuegos6666 What counter does an ADC have to Yasuo windwall ?
Hmmm.. I don't know
Maybe... Hmmm.. What their champ are made for so...
Right click and better positionnng maaayybbee....??
And anyway, it's not an ADC job to take Yasuo down
His Windwall is useless or almost against 50% of the league roaster anyway
going on that windwall condition idea. what if it just took one charge of his q instead of requiring both? That'd be a super neat balancing idea I really like that.
I feel like reactionary and consumable, like Sivir's spell shield, or stationary and delayed, like Fiora's are probably the ones that anger me the least. The ones that make me the angriest are things like Yasuo literally covering half the map for 5 seconds with his windwall and Pantheon being able to attack, defend and move at the same time with his counter. And I don't care you can attack him from behind, that is almost never an option. He just jumps at you, takes away 90% of your health, then he either retreats or engages while being immune depending on what he needs. It's so obnoxious.
Can you do a whole video on the counter pick issue of top lane
Yeah I have just 1 large Problem with Pantheons new E.
It is just depending on where the Champion is. When a Sivir Q hits him from behind, he still blocks it, even when it comes from his weak side.
Agreed
It also blocks abilities which clearly don't come from forward, example Galio, come on man he crashes on top of you, or Olaf E which is a thunderstrike from above
I'm not exactly sure why Riot made some abilities out-right ignore True executes when they are supposed to ignore resistances. Suppose it wouldn't be League without a lack of clarity.
My problems with fiora's W is how it not only has a big reaction window, making it more of a panic button than a precise action... But it also deals damage and a big slow even when you didnt parry anything
I don’t know how balanced it would be but i always thought it’d be cool if Yas’ windwall was tied to his flow. Like activating it would drain his flow and the more flow was drained the stronger the windwall. Maybe even make it so if you pass through the windwall you get slightly slowed or take some ap damage or something cool like that.
if fiora had to like hit at least with just slow then she wont get debuff for example slow or less atack speed or her Q wont get canceled 1 time
then dodging her W would be insanly good or at least make her able to get ignite even if she use W or anything like exhoust
I think the problem I have with counter abilities is their modern application, AKA giving champs that don't have the prior owners downside a stronger version of the ability.
Samira has a 360 windwall despite being ranged unlike yasuo who uses it to level the playing field against poke champs, for samira it just deletes some of your damage and removes your ability to use long range skill shots on her.
Nilah has counter strike that also applies to allies despite being a ranged champ, instead of it being used to close the gap on ranged champs and catch them it is just a get out of jail free card against auto attackers.
Panth just has a better braum shield, but it also has a speed up if empowered.
A little extra note about pantheons E that at a glance its an advantage (and sometimes is) but can often be a disadvantage is that it can use up you passive charge. Yeah you get a nice amount of movement speed for it, but your sacrificing an empowered Q or W (which as someone who loves panth, I will 100% admit is broken). In a sense its a "soft restriction" your not restricted in every situation where you have full charges to use it, but you'll either be sacrificing preasure for some time to get that counter effect NOW, or you have to make use of your empowered abilities before using E which can have its own problems if you were waiting for a good time to use it, such as for someone to be lower health to use Q.
bro panth w without bork barely tickles a bruisers balls.
I think that, taking into account the very short time span to use them, most of them show some skill expression. You have to use it in the right moment or you waste it (and they normally have very long cooldowns).
There are some which are a bit stupid: gangplank 's w with how powerful and easy is to use it and yasuo windwall for how op the ability is.
Nocturne 's w is very deceptive, it does not block all abilities (for instance ahri's e). It is sometimes very frustrating.
you sure it doesnt block ahris e? she probably damage you with either her w or r bolts
Wait, Noc's W doesn't block Ahri's charm? Wtf?
It absolutely blocks Ahri's E. The experience you have is either a bug, of some other spell you didn't notice hit you first.
i see alot of complaints about yasuos windwall but i wonder why gwens w isnt given the same treatment? she even gets armor and mr with it and it also has no conditions (also mabye lower cd i cant look it up rn)
If its on the enemy to fuck up, for you can do anything then it sucks ass. Wheres the counterplay? Hope the enemy sucks? Great.
As Cass and Viktor player myself, I never understood why Miasma grounds. Miasma chokes your lungs, so it should be silence, and Gravity field should ground instead.
Miasma has also been depicted in some games as some kind of toxic sludge that's also very adhesive, so I can see why Miasma in League grounds. Also, with that logic then Gravity Field can either knock a target airborn or ground them, which "stunning" is effectively what's happening.
@@Valigarmanda id rather gravity field slow and ground, instead of slow into stun. Because slow immune champions cant get stunned by it, since what stuns is accumulation of gravity field slow stacks which they cant recieve.
After watching this whole video while nomming down on nuggies and fries, I almost had a heart attack around 11:45 when you said “fucked”
For me, counter abilities are okay when they're very targeted and timing-sensitive. Fiora Riposte, Sivir/Nocturne Spellshield, Teemo Blind, Gangplank Cleanse, etc.
The issue for me is when they're broad so they can remove a wide array of pressure from multiple people (such as Yasuo's and Samira's windwalls) or they're very forgiving with timing (Mundo Passive, Morgana Spellshield).
Targeted and time sensitive counters can maybe win a lane but significantly lose power once entering midgame, meaning the counter to the counter is to play safe and wait for later in the game. It's not exciting but it's a valid way to rob your opponent of a lot of the pressure they got from counterpicking you. Fiora can duel, sure, but her limitation to shutting down one key ability becomes much less powerful once multiple key abilities become factors.
Whereas something like Yasuo's windwall can effective entirely remove one or more champions from a teamfight for a solid duration and that's busted both 1v1 and gets even moreso in a teamfight.
Yasuo is a melee ADC, with actually less defensive base stats than a lot of ranged champ
Yasuo is basically an immobile melee ADC if he is not in lane with a minion wave
His Windwall is often his only means to survive/outplay in the River/Jungle/Without a wave
And not to mention that Yasuo's W has 30 secs CD most of the game
Basically, if he counters your abilities with his W, wait 10 secs that your CDs are up, then engage again
Also, how the fuck Fiora's Parry is "Okay"
But Yasuo's W is not
@@OuhHey Fiora's parry is single target and lasts literally .75 seconds, on a 16 second cooldown at max rank.
Yasuo's windwall is a field effect, meaning it can potentially impact multiple abilities from multiple champions, in addition to ranged autoattacks, and lasts 3.75 seconds, and is an 18 second cooldown at max rank.
So for only 2 seconds longer cooldown, Yasuo gets a field effect that impacts an entire team and shuts down the pressure of any ranged champs.
Whereas Fiora gets a literal split-second chance to react to a *single* ability and CC the *single* opponent *if* the ability she blocked was a CC ability.
For about the same cooldown, Yasuo gets a much larger impact ability that is much easier to use and has no conditions to meet for it's desired effect other than "be on other side of wall you made."
Fiora is busted, but that's a result of %max health true damage on anyone being busted. Her Riposte is probably the least problematic and most skill expressive part of her kit.
@@OuhHey He has free double crit, can abuse DD, has better synergy than most adcs with a lot of supps, fanboy crying
@@briargray2355 And ?
What makes Fiora's W busted, is that she still get HUGE benefits for use it, even if she use her Parry like shit.
Because, even if she does not block a CC, she still deals damage with it, + Atkspeed/Movementspeed slow
Also, her Parry can block summoners spells, which is bullshit and what Yasuo's W obviously canno't do
+ Yasuo needs his Windwall WAAAYYYY more than Fiora needs her parry anyway
What about Irelia Q? It is great ability that has only one counter (poppy W) and it becomes even more broken in some matchups like Yorick, Zyra or Heimer. Seeing there are spellshield items, there should be antidash items too. It would also be great that if you cancel someone's dash, the cooldown would be doubled. It just feels like there are too many movement abilities in league and not enough counter to them.
To me the most infuriating thing about Wind Wall is that it lingers there for a long ass time. I would be more okay with it if it was a very skill expressive ability and required exact timing to block a projectile, than have it just be put there and forget about the enemy ADC completely while it's up.
1000$ for a 1650, and youre sponsored by them? With a Ryzen 3. FOR 1000$??? Come on Vars, im sorry but this just seems like a sponsor that you didn't have to do. Have some respect for your fans. I really don't like trashing on creators I love, but I'm a bit dissapointed.
You watch Sponsored bits?
Get yourself SponsorBlock to skip that shit, i aint watching any of those.
You know you can skip this right ? You dont need to be a dick about it tho :) have a good one now
@@tatzecom sponsor should never even be a thing in a youtube video
@@tatzecom so the software scans the vid and provides a skip button to sponsor tidbits? How consistent is it?
give him some leeway man, people gotta make money and sponsors are a surefire way to do so. Its not like he's forcing you to buy the product, you can always just not buy it.
13:42 What rank are you though and what is the name of the song in the background
Idk, I think the Wind Wall is kinda fine. If poorly used, it's a 20something seconds CD and a useless wall on the map. Yasuo is a meele champion, so he needs to move to deal damage, Wind Wall it's busted if he is in the deffensive, chilling behind the wall, but if he uses it to block one dangerlus ability and leaves it behind to go all in, how different is the Wind Wall compared to, for the sake of argument, Nocturne's W?
The only uses for Wind Wall where I can consider it extremely over powered is when Yasuo can't go in, or to defend his own backlane with it before going in. Other than that, it is kinda frustrating, but you just need to "dance" around that wall
With love, a Veigar main
Whats the song at the start?
most have limits and long CD and are only defensive, meanwhile Fiora W is a win button that stuns, slows mov AND atk speed, has a huge window and blocks everything
Wooooo! More Vars!
important destinction on pantheon ult is that it can't block all executes, specifically Urgot ult overides it no mater what
Its less about counter abilities, but more the abilities that remove counterplay from them while not requiring precise timing, Jax E, Gwen W, Yasuo W. Where they prevent players from being able to fight against it while lasting for a long time too
I like how Riot gave some ranged champions abilities that are unaffected by Yasuo's Windwall, like Senna's Q and auto attacks, Syndra's W, Old kayle E (rip)
I’m pretty sure shield of Durand counts as a counter ability. In the late game, Gallo takes almost no magic damage while it is active. And he also has his passive magic shield that can help him take hardly any magic damage. Also, Vex doesn’t really counter kassadin, especially if kassadin jumps on her faith a fully stacked r
Vex counters Kassadin in the sense she is one of the few mages who has enough juice(damage and low mana costs) to actually get a significant advantage over Dshield + Second wind Kassadin early.
Like Vex legit doesn’t use mana it seems, I see Vex players not even go PoM or Manaflow and basically spam abilities off cooldown in early lane, it makes no sense to me.
I legit haven’t played the adjusted Syndra because I’ve banned it every single game since the adjustment, but she used to be the only mage along with Brand and Vex who actually had enough juice to go through Kassadin early.
@@Dingdong2730 kassadin can use his basic abilities to farm in the early game, and they all have enough range to keep him kind of safe
@@dla749 Still a very painfull lane where you have absolutely no control over the wavestate and have to always trade a lot of resources for cs.
Now unless you play into melee AP champs, this is how most early Kassa lanes go, but some matchups are more punishing than others.
Farming with Q is not very optimal tho, it has a somewhat high mana cost and you don’t get PoM uptime if you use it for cs. E is short range and W is literally only usable in melee.
Kassadin’s early lane is just redeemed by his passive and high base hp+regen, its legit the champ in midlane that has the least agency over his lane from lvl 1-5.
So the countermatchups are those who punish him the most in this window, Vex is one of the few MAGES who can punish him to a large enough extend that he doesn’t just statcheck her post 6.
@@Dingdong2730 kassadin isn’t meant to beat anyone before he has a least 2 points in his r. Post six, he can farm much easier, though. Vex also doesn’t take turrets as fast as someone like Akshan, who is a much better pick into kassadin
I'd agree with the wind wall change, but I think it should be 1 stack is needed instead of 2, and using the wall only uses one of the q stacks
only issue i find is, while the person being countered can increase their skill to counter the counter....nothing stops the yasuo etc from also doing the same and just going from having a small advantage like 60--40 to it being 80-20 matchup and you would be more useful afk in fountain
I'm surprised you didn't mention zhonyas, which makes you completely invulnerable for 2.5 secs at the cost of not being able to do anything yourself during that timeframe. In my eyes, a counter ability should cost the caster just as much to cast as it blocks, either by reducing your pressure by not allowing you to do other actions during the counter or by giving your opponent a window of oppourtunity during the counter to set up so that it isnt just a brainless activation whenever in danger (eg. you cant zhonyas the fed xerath's q on half hp bc if you do, the enemy team will camp you and instakill you the moment you get out). A great example of this is the most important move in competitive pokemon double battles, protect, which can block almost any offensive move at the cost of potentially allowing your opponent to set up for free because you just wasted a turn protecting yourself instead of attacking.
As for me, there are two things, that can balance Zhonya (not implementing them both simultaneously):
1) reduce stasis time, so you need to time that block of burst damage;
2) make stasis, well stasis, which also stops casts, excluding an option of using item offensively, you chose either to press on, or defend yourself.
I know this is irrelevant to the topic but damn 10:50 that graves got melted
Agree as a illaoi main whenever mord presses R it’s just a 40 second death timer
I only want Fiora's riposte to work ONLY if she is facing whatever attack is coming to her, not to just press and the attack comes from, say, behind, and she is still inmune
in full honestly i agree with Vars with needing Yasuo a condition to fulfil that condition but i think that it should be similar to his passive, meaning he needs to fill up a bar in order to use it and IT CAN BLOCK ALL PROJECTILES *BUT* there is a durability for that wind wall similar to Yorick wall.
and i also think that Malzahar needs to inflict E (malefic Visions) in order for him to be able to use his ultimate Nether Grasp.
Fioras w (riposte) should not have a self immune because Riposte means to counter attack AFTER a parry
for example: Fiora takes the damage but it is reduced but she will do a attack based of the damage she took (imagine thornmail but as an active abillity).
As a Fiora main, I'm always stressed about when I press W. If I press W too early, I'm in an even worse position than if I never used it in the entire fight as it gives my opponent time to do whatever - reposition, start cast animations etc.
Fighting against someone like Yasuo is so frustrating because I know he can knock me up while dashing (and perhaps use Ult to get a kill), but if he doesn't, and I press W, he just waits there and uses his Q3 when ready, and does the exact same thing. It's just a 50/50 between who kills who
Practice that shit.
I am no top (in terms of skill) player, but man, I parry Darius E with Ornn's W (same unstoppability period - 0.75, as on Fiora's Parry), not talking about Yasuo's Q3. I, f-ing gold player, do it, whose reaction actually not that good.
I honestly love you propsed change to Windwall, I always strugle thinking of a way how to balance that ability.
Its still to wide and lasts to long
I don't think the change he proposed would be good, because that would lock 2 of yasuo's abilities behind the same stacks which is just not fun. A way that I feel would be healthy is give it a set amount of HP. Give it 300-1500 HP with 0 armor but it blocks overdamage. That would make it more timed.
Honestly I'm not against a high cooldown as the balancing mark for counter abilities, the problem then becomes "we'll try and bait it out"
And let's say this is possible to do just generically, and in a number of situations it is, why is it still an issue? Honestly I think part of it is the amount of haste that especially fighters are able to get through their itemization, which leads to these initially high cooldowns not really mattering much in the end, by late game the cooldowns end up so low that it almost doesn't matter in a number of cases.
Part of this issue is well how do you fix that, we can't exactly go back to cdr and remove ability haste, well we could, but it would be a _lot_ of effort. Plus at least personally I like ability haste as a concept since it doesn't limit itemization like cdr could in some instances.
A weird solution i think would work would be giving tiers to haste effectiveness. You know how new spear of shojin gives haste to basic abilities but less haste to abilities with hard cc attached to them? I'm thinking just apply that to almost every ability in the game, conditions like hard cc and "counter" type moves could for example only benefit from half your haste, or maybe two-thirds, or one-third, or a quarter. Honestly this could also be a way to limit how much a champion can scale, so for example champions like ryze could simply have full effectiveness out of all of his haste, while syndra's e wouldn't get as much, the idea being she wants more balls on the ground primarily and that could be emphasized while making her e less annoying and spammable.
This is just a quick thought I had right now and I'm sure it has issues, but I do think this is a potential solution to things like how fighters we're balanced around not having these crazy strong counter abilities up at all times
Edit: it also might alter what items are prioritized for certain champs too, it would be a quick and dirty way to say "hey look you're auto focused, therefore you should look for attack speed and crit/on-hit rather than ability haste"
Most of them I do believe require some level of tact and skill to use, along with a misplay of the opponent in some way. Didn’t really watch the full video but if you mention it, Gwen W is an example of a no skill counter ability. Xin ult on a normal button, gives defense, and moves once with her, on top of the fact that Gwen is already hard to kite if she takes ghost plus her E. Actually 0 skill ability
“You can’t call them a instant win button” meanwhile the malzahar ult that one shots me and I can’t even move
I think Yasuo wind wall should have health like Yorick W, from 2 to 5 and as it would delete your projectiles it would lose one hp, and add a visual indicator as when it will dissapear,
What song is this??
Imagine late game yasuo throwing up a windwall every other second instead of tornado XD
I feel like it wouldn’t even be hard to balance these abilities tho. Windwall: only blocks from one side or has a damage blocked limit (maintains utility, but makes it more limited). Counterstrike: after a certain number of autos, it automatically cancels (gives you a chance to end it before it can stun you). Reposte: remove the attack speed debuff, damage and or slow if it doesn’t parry any cc (makes it so that to get value, you need to use it for it’s intended purpose, not just an ability with no drawbacks). Aegis assault: only able to block as much damage as it deals (no longer start, infinite damage tanking). Imposing reasonable limits to counter abilities gives other players a chance to counter the counter. It’s not hard either, these changes likely wouldn’t bother the people playing the champs because they know how to use them, and it only gives other players an opportunity to act in a situation they normally wouldn’t.
Now i know why the 1 HP pantheon survived my 5 stack darius r. Cause riot was like:"lets make a champ who can defend the undefendable damage source in our game." Is any other champion able to outright tank true dmg without getting hurt(excluding untariability of cause because you dont get hit ao you dont tank it) only thing i could think of are the ults, wich prevent you from falling below a certain HP. But those are Ultimates, so they are allowed to. But a 10 sec lategame basic ability shouldnt be able to do so.
Make windwall only negate a projectiles damage and I think it's okay, like the projectile can still go through and trigger on hit effects but it doesn't do damage
I think counter abilities are healthy in moderation. When they are implemented, they need to hyper specific and weak outside of that scenario. For example, I've always felt Yasuo's windwall would be so much healthier if it had a shorter cooldown but could only block a set number of projectiles or was much much much shorter. The thought process for the ability is that he is using a single swipe of his wind magic and his blade to sweep projectiles out of the air. Maybe it would be better to have his windwall be a long-range ability (maybe Ashe w size) that deletes all projectiles in that area out of the air over a 0.5 second duration or even at the instant of cast. Also, I have never been ok with basic abilities completely countering ultimate abilities. Yasuo or Samira being able to delete 5 different ultimates all at once with a single press of a basic ability will never be ok with me.
I like counter abilities. Poppy is my otp and I just constantly think about which ability is best to counter the enemy, angles for wall stuns, passive location bounces and when to bait for a Q or wall stun etc.
Maybe I need to start evaluating champion kits more based on counter ability, because I found that I didn't hate the idea of Nasus support when I thought of his wither as a counter to adcs. So maybe I'll be able to expand my hero pool more if I keep it up.
I still can't figure out a good counter to juggernauts tho. I'm not gonna play a ranged top laner. And without phase rush they just run you down. Farming 0/0/0 lanes is pretty boring.
“I’m not gonna play ranged top”
Literally why? You have some sense of pride? You main Poppy, you legit can only sink lower by playing Malzahar and Lulu.
Ranged tops are really hard to pull off because they are much more mechanical and much less forgiving if you fall behind, you need to get an advantage, you need to make the lane volatile.
Ranged tops is probably the most fun I have in this game outside playing assassins, because it forces you to interact with your opponent from lvl 1, high risk, high reward.
Also most ranged tops don’t counter juggernauts, they rush plated steelcaps and have the same powerspike as you have at a full completed item.
@@Dingdong2730 why you hate poppy so much
@@Dingdong2730 he just has some self respect you can play any champ it will be better than playing ranged top even when i beat the crap out of a ranged top just facing them actively made my day worse
@@justanothercommenterwithan9089 Very “anti-skill”. I generally dislike champions that have their primary wincon of stopping someone else from carrying.
I’ve never seen a Poppy carry a game, but I’ve had Poppy stop me from playing my champ
@@6ber721 I mean you can play whatever you like, I just think playing an anti carry and thinking literally any other playstyle is beneath you is a bit funny.
I'm shocked you didn't bring up smash bros in the first 2 minutes
I really feel like Fiora's W slowing move speed and attack speed is too op, its a counter ability so it should only do something after blocking or countering something in return, if you attack Fiora in her W with an AA then it slows your AS if it hits you, if it blocks an ability it slows your MS and if it blocks a hard cc it returns it to you as it does now. But i dont feel like such a shower counter should have any benefit when not used to counter, there should also be some room for skill expression from Fiora's opponent to not attack her in her W as to not get slowed instead of having do dodge it at melee range or dodge her Q+W, you could cancel your AA or miss an ability on purpose to bait it out to leave her defenseless to give more room for reaction counters rather than slowins someone with her W and running them down with her R. Take Sivir or Noc's spellshields for example they only do something IF they block an ability, if they dont they just fade away and leave you defenseless. Jax's E is different beacuse its not so much a counter than it is a defensive stance, the only counter part of it is that it increases the damage with each attack received, but wether you get hit or not it still stuns at the end because it only blocks AAs not abilities or AoE effects (although it does reduce AoE effects for a bit) so it can be used aggresively without it being as obnoxious as Fiora's W.
I've felt this way about her W since I first played her and noticed I could just run forward not block something with my W and still win a 1v1. Id love to know what anyone else thinks about this.
Jax counter is a great initiative ability but by no means is it a press to win button.
Pantheon cannot block Pyke's R, face or behind (Itried in anyway with a friend in custom game), but for some reason Pantheon block Malz's E to proc on you after a minion dies.
@Paris Hart We tried pyke's R landing toward and behind panth, didn't matter. It worked before, but no more.
@@RaYu5150 Pantheon has to face Pyke, not the ultimate. Pantheon moves backwards when using E on Pyke R because of Pykes animation delay. If Pantheon is standing still Pykes animation would jump on pantheon making him blink behind pantheon resulting in a execute.
In short pantheon has to move away or his shield wont block it.
Thanks
I started to play kled again at the end of last season and i learned again how much i despise jax and fiora.
Jax just straight up statchecks anyone and god forbid you are a aa heavy toplaner like kled whos entire kit is balanced around empored w AAs or fiora with her i just use it despite anything w shi* and if i hit i proc a passive and apply a slow/attackspeed slow even though the enemy didnt do anything to not proc the insanlly OP w 2 sec stun etc
I may be biased but i think while it may be strong gps w is a propper counter tool like braums shield.
It doesnt do anything beside a cleanse and a heal while you are briefly in an animation.
Compared to jax counter strike where he can still jump and aa you gp has to do an animation making a use of the situation possible (also knockups). And the same for jax applies to fiora both are capable to gain an advantage while blocking all or most of the damage of the enemy for the entire duration while gp is a brief effect you still can play arount.
And braum is possibly the most healthy way to implement a windwall like effect by destroying the projectile but still letting a portion of the damge through making it not entirely pointless like a yasou or samira wind wall.
(Btw this doesnt excuse the currently insane powerlevel of gp just a take on his w as a countertool.)
I just want riot to let players ban 2 champions instead of 1
Or +1 per team
@@hutaoandbootao2310 anything but the joke of 10 bans
Can you do a video on jak sho. Item is so broken.
Why not make it so yas blocks both friendly and enemy projectiles?
Meaning no one can shoot through it, making the yasuo more cautious on when to use it.
yasuo's wind wall should simply last less almost 4 seconds is bullshit should be two seconds at most, for example the original empowered e of pantheon only lasted 3 seconds and had a condition and could only protect him unless the ablility is meant to stop upon hitting a champion
I think that the general hard-counter meta league has been in for quite some time is something distinctly different than the design of counter-abilities.. simply because many hard-counter matchups are not like that due to hard-counter abilities, there are other factors, too.
In any case, I really dislike the design of many counter-abilities. Many of them have a pretty extreme "win more" design. Fiora used her W! She used it well and blocked hard CC! So, for doing something that is already really good, she now also gets to stun you for a year! Fiora sure had fun.
In general, I would like counter-abilities to not have this "win-more" aspect, but bring up their universal power outside of their counter. IO also think it is overall a bit better when a counter happens a bit more naturally. For example: Vex's knock on her passive along with her instant, self targeted AoE make her great into dashy champs - she is pretty hard to engage on with passive up and can deter engages well due to that. That's a much more natural counter then her damage and stun frequency being increased vs dashy champs, that just feels forced and inhrently hard to balance.
Cant you also make the same argument for counter abilities for poppy and shen w. Poppy for characters who have dashes (which are a lot) have to be a lot more careful while champs who auto a lot have to always keep in mind of shen w.
I think those two counters specifically (ignoring the rest of the kit) are perfectly balanced as they are. In my opinion, the champions both do too much damage though.
I like Vex’s design as an anti dash champ, being how her passive and burst damage counters them, but I also hate the fact she can dash at you 2 screens away. A mage with that much damage and cc shouldn’t be able to close the gap better than assassin with a single ult.
So, I believe it’s ok to give champs counter abilities, but that shouldn’t mean they have the tools to what their countering. It’s just incredibly unfair.
But there is also Gwen who has that anti projectile mist and projectile ult. It’s unfair as well, but I feel that one’s a bit more manageable. Compared to a vex ult where it’s almost impossible sometimes to react to it. But, I might just be biased because I’m a Gwen top main.
Every game with a Mundo : " Yo cc him so I can use my cc " "Hell na use your cc so I use my cc" ; Mundo : Pentakill
I think there is another problem with wind wall. It think it’s just too strong, if they want to keep it so big and so long, they should implement some ways of circumventing it (for example N projectiles will exhaust it or projectiles like seraphine’s q should be able to fly over it. This one really makes no sense, because when seraphine lobs her q it often doesn’t even touch the wind wall on the screen, why should it not be able to pass then? And I think there should be some exceptions made for ultimate projectiles. ornn’s r should break windwall without being destroyed for example, that is neither fair nor reasonable, when ornn r gets destroyed by some air it just looks stupid. Or maybe, each projectile that hits the windwall should shorten it by half a second or something
Wind wall can also negate Sera's R and with the wind up that casting Encore has the Yasuo can just reactively use the wall and save his entire team from dying.
i actually love that idea about trashuo's wind wall, that'd be such a good change
This is one reason I like to jungle with champs that also toplane. If I pick early and enemy picks a counter, my actual top-laner buddy gets to counter them.
Funny story - Morde's ult is a debuff and anything that cleanses/ignores debuffs will work the same on it, so the problem isn't that morde ult locks him in a cage with Olaf, it's that Morde's ult is countered by all cleanses.
I love your conditional change to Yasuo
It is absolutely shit
Yasuo litteraly have been stuck with 47% winrate on Plat+ for 2 patch, now
And this idea would gut him even more
Also, Yasuo is probably one of the 5/10 most "Skill - Expressive" champs in the game
Why do you want to make him even more "Skill Expressive", why do you want to make his life harder ?