Talking about dangers with motorcycleing there is only One man you call: Please have "Fast Eddie" (aka Greg Widmar), the man behind MotoJitsu on the podcast. He's one of the most important people in motorcycling trying to make motorcyclists safer and more skilled.
As a registered nurse who spent a few years working in an orthopedics department, I recall probably 8/10 of the motorcycle injuries I helped treat were from motocross. Lots of wrist, ankle and leg fractures from not making a jump.
My wife is a nurse and has to take care of patients who has been involved in motorcycle accidents and yes; You've guessed it right, she hates me having motorcycle. Thankfully I have been pointing idiotic riders while we drive together with car (no gear, stupid and dangerous riding etc) and said that usually those are the ones who crash. I take it safe, I drive to enjoy and Im in no rush when on my cafe racer. Drive safe peeps!
First time watcher and Rider at 58 years old. I was Street riding at night making a Left turn and the rear end slid. Hit a patch of oil that was not cleaned up from an auto accident! Thank God I did not crash. I took two classes which I believe helped me big time! 🏍😎
Since we are having a moto confessional session here's mine lol. I was on my 78 kz1000 (heavy bike, cruddy breaks ect). This was like the third month of me riding on my permit only. I had a lady do the classic "make a left turn directly in front of you" move and I decided it was a smart move to direct my attention to her so that I could wag my finger at her, gesture ect. In doing that I didn't notice that traffic was at a dead stop and I almost attempted to plow through a dodge RAM. Thankfully my 40 year old brakes held up. Ever since then I don't waste time trying to "educate" other motorist. They don't care obviously or they wouldn't have done what they did in the first place ect. Ride safe! Don't get complacent!
Yep, defensive riding all the way, it lessens the close calls for sure, and learn to just move on and continue where you're going if a close call does happen.
I agree with Zach & Ari, the track is "safer" than the street. Intimidation does not necessarily equal safety. I agree with Spurge that the most dangerous thing on the street is the rider, specifically not riding to the conditions and/or at their skill level, but rather, beyond their skill level. The percentage of accidents on the road that are truly not avoidable is pretty damn small.
9/10 times I have a close call its because I was doing something dumb. When I ride safe with a right mind and open eyes it's smooth sailing. I had a very close one the other day. I went to go around an suv that looked like it was going to make a right turn. I went around the left side in a single lane. Sure enough it wasn't making a right turn. it was avoiding a stopped car making a left turn. I couldn't see the car over the suv. Slammed on the bikes locking the back up and barely missed becoming a window sticker. I didn't want to slow down and wait in traffic. Almost cost me an accident. Im thankful I was only going like 30 mph and could stop in time. Use ur head and obey the traffic laws. Ride safe everyone.
After 25 years of riding, I recently finished my first two coached track days (on my own bike), and I didn't enjoy it at all. Hard on the throttle, brake hard, turn in, try to get the knee down, again and again, and not going anywhere was just not my cup of tea. What I learned (and I kind of knew already) is that I am a road rider, and I prefer long distance touring. PS: After the track course I rode 6000 km in Spain and France ..
Wow, after logging into the hospital internet, as I am laying in a hospital bed after running into a suicidal deer, I see this podcast about motorcycles being dangerous. A 45-50 mph collision led to 4 broken ribs. and some bumps and bruises as well as a night stay for observation. Thank you to all the people who preach ATGATT as it truly saved me additional injuries. Not sure what hurts more , the ribs or the condition of my GSA. Motorcycles aren't as dangerous as deer...so I would like to advocate for banning all deer or at least training them to run AWAY from the road :)
Holy shit man glad you made out relatively unscathed, thats a fuckin gnarly way to go down. At least you can confidently say "you should see the other guy" lmfao Speaking of that, I'm so curious, in your newly acquired experience: is there any truth to the legend that bikes can cut a deer in half?
@@BadDriverrr Shoei GT Air, Sidi Adventure Boots, Klim Carlsbad Pants, and Olympia Expedition Jacket, Reax Castor gloves. A couple of scrapes on my right arm, but no other road rash. Somehow I have a pretty good cut on my ear...need to check out my helmet to see what happened there. Klim pants really did their job.
@@davereese1813 great stuff thank you. A Shoei Neotec 2 is in my Revzilla cart and all I wear is Sidi boots. Haven't owned a single piece of Klim gear but hear good things. Thanks again for the rundown, always looking for better, faster, more comfortable, safer. Notice I didn't say "cheaper" lol
@@rileyhughes5613 Definitely did not cut it in half. I have replayed the accident many times looking ways I could have avoided the deer. The deer came out on my right from someone's yard that had tall shrubs/evergreens planted maybe 6 ft off the road so I had little time to react. I initially hit my brakes, but let go of them just as I was about to make contact. The deer was not that big, so I hoped I could use the size of my bike to get over it. I actually dragged the deer under my motorcycle for a fair distance (the state trooper said there was a long stretch of deer hair on the road). I think the deer eventually rolled or something as I felt the bike lift up and the next thing I knew I was bouncing and rolling on the road and ended up off the side of the road. The deer tooks its last breath about the same time I was able to take my first breath. Upside is I am walking out of the hospital today.
Re: Police Bikes. When I first moved to my current residence in Northwest New Mexico the local PD used BMW as their patrol bikes. They switched to Harleys because there is no local BMW dealer and they had to transport the bikes to Albuquerque for service. There is a local Harley Davidson dealer. The choice isn't really just between BMW and Harley. The Kawasaki Concours 14 is also used by various police departments. I learned of that after purchasing one and looking to change the handlebars to provide a more upright seating position. I purchased a Helibars conversion after reading an endorsement by a state highway patrol officer (in another state). Cops don't want to ride around all day in a semi-crouched position any more than I do.
So interesting Ari saying he will now check his mirrors before braking hard on the street - something that was drilled into me as part of my rider training (with an ex-police instructor in the UK) was to check the mirrors before any significant change in speed, both acceleration and deceleration. Also on the track safety point - IMO whilst the risk of an unexpected hazard is reduced, you are also running many parts of the bike closer to failure point, and for someone new to track riding having to learn this new mentality of going all-out will increase the risk of rider error.
i like spurgs question of bigger bikes with more rider aids. I've been riding for almost 5 yrs and just bought a new kawasaki zh2 after owning a cbr 500. Massive leap in power and going from zero rider aids to a ton of them. Knowing i have all those aids makes riding the bike feel so much safer and i can have fun getting on the bike a bit while also respecting the power and the limit of my abilities while i learn the bike. It's a amazing bike and i love it. Also completely agree with the statement that a lot of accidents can be avoided with riders being alert while their on the road and that's how i always ride.
I just traded in my 2016 Speed Triple R for a 2022 Speed Triple RS a few months ago and (while I understand the R is the lesser version compared to the RS) the new S3 is so much better! It handles literally like a dream. It will fly though corners totally glued down, you almost always feel like you can turn in harder even when you're already going insanely fast. The engine revs up so fast and has so much power. It's one of the best bikes being produced currently IMO. It is just so much fun.
34:25 totally agree with Spurg and one thing that comes to mind is something I heard Neevesy at MCN say when talking about his extensive road testing experience: The question in a wreck on the street is not who was at fault, but was it avoidable if the motorcyclist had taken the right steps. In my opinion the vast majority of street wrecks can be avoided.
As a new rider, I would love to go to a track and try to learn and push my limits. But that would also come with a risk of wrecking my one and only bike which is quite a deterrent. So im gonna take it slow for now.
most people who hit the track have a track dedicated bike. Look for something used and without a title, you'll get a good deal and wont be worried about spilling it.
I’m just getting back into riding after a 10 year break, and this time I have three kids waiting at home. Now safety is my number one goal, and I’m absorbing all the shared experiences I can. I took so much away from this discussion. Thank you!
May we all learn from our mistakes. + been rear-ended at a stop light, now keep an eye on the mirror at every intersection. + been merged into and +almost+ hit on the Mass Pike, because I didn't give myself an out. I know better now. Mad props for giving @longhaulpaul a little name check. He's a good dude doing good things for the MS community.
I appreciate Ari's and Zack's body of experience riding large bikes and the advice given but I still struggle with accepting the generalized (?) idea that riding a large liter bike on the street is a bad idea. I know they are crazy powerful and one has to keep their eyes peeled all. the. time. in order to be able to ride them reasonably safely and responsibly. I know what I am talking about, being owner of a 2020 RSV4 Factory. When I bought it, I knew full well I would hardly ever be able to even touch the sides of its capabilities and whenever I ride, I am always thinking in terms of "Is that gap between the cars large enough for me to be able to slow down?", or "Is this straight long enough for me to overtake all these cars?", or "Isn't there a crossroad quarter a mile down the road a car could pull out from?". I bet many car drivers probably wonder why I stick around in a slower-moving group of cars while I just keep making all of these calculations in my head and I only "pull the trigger" and roll on the throttle when I do know I can handle the outcome. My point is, if one has their head screwed on right, they shouldn't be too scared to hop on an S1000RR, or an R1 and have a good time on it. One just needs to accept the fact that these bikes are "straight eaters" and the next corner, or the car ahead, always comes much quicker than they might think. Conversely, if someone absolutely has to be able to squeeze every last drop of their bike's performance even on the street, then a liter-class bike is definitely not something they should be looking at. Anyway, thanks for the new episode of the podcast. Thoroughly enjoyed the chatter. Greetings from the Czech Republic. :)
If you are mature enough, then litre bike is no problem. Also, I have a much different experience on a litre bike at 250 than a 150 pounder. My litre bike and 1400 will not power wheelie with me, but will with a smaller human being
One of the things that make the BMW GS so great as a COP bike is that they come with a factory wiring harness specifically for the Police and there needs which eliminates all of the electrical gremlins that come with the chopping of a harness to add light a siren and what ever else they need.
As someone who has been laid up for 2 months already because of an inattentive driver, I don't remember the accident but the driver was so out of it that he had no idea what happened and kept driving for almost a mile until another motorist chased him down. I wish I remembered what happened so I could at least have learned a lesson from it. I have a very long road to recovery and probably won't be able to walk for at least another few months. I have spent most of my downtime watching TH-cam videos about motorcycles and these podcasts. I can't wait to get back on 2 wheels and have been dreaming about what bike I'm going to be replacing my totaled XSR900 with, any suggestions? Thanks for helping to keep me sane while I'm busy riding a wheelchair instead of a motorcycle.
Triumph triples, kawi rs900, or xsr 700 are cool bikes to look at. Or do what I did, 'downgrade' from a liter bike for practicality. Picked up an 07 fz6 and love how capable it is and how much a smaller inline 4 can scream.
@@bobbayyy Have had an 2007 FZ6 since new and agree with your assessment. I've also had my eyes on the 900RS and other simular retro classics for my next street bike.
Damn brother that sucks hope you make a full recovery. I’m glad you’re still planning on riding. You didn’t say how much experience you have but I’ve been riding for 30 years. I had a pretty bad accident back in 1999 but yours sounds worse. Anyways I just picked up a 2021 Kawasaki Z900 RS Café and I absolutely love it. Maybe you can look into that. The RS and the RS café are different so take a look at both
100% agree that there will always be those outlier freak accidents, but people always like to say "it's not you I worry about, it's the other people on the road!" And I always say as a rider it's my job to not only be alert and paying attention for myself, but for all those around me as well. We are all human and make mistakes, and sometimes even as a rider you can lose focus for a a split second, day dreaming about whatever on a long ride... And in that instant something can happen. It's the risk we are all take for the love of riding... But, it really is all about being alert, paying attention 110%, recognizing patterns, and predicting other people's moves. Like Dan the fireman says, the uncommon thing in a common situation. Don't ride too fast unless your in an area with good visibility and low traffic/no intersections, and always leave yourself plenty of room to react, or be ready to react regardless in those higher than normal incident zones like intersections. It is entirely possible to build riding habits that significantly reduce your chances of getting hurt out there. Greetings from Doylestown. Ride safe!
I just got finished running the MABDR from VA to NY. That part went well. On the return trip, I came down I-81 and dealt with a flat tire in Harrisonburg and then getting hit by a car in Roanoke. I was able to experience the unenviable "death wobble". By divine intervention, the bike stayed upright and I live to ride another day. Some things I learned/re-learned about motorcycle safety. Don't pass a vehicle in the hammer lane until you have enough room to be well in view of the peripheal vision of the driver. While this is something that I know, I didn't do it on this occasion and it almost got me bit. I'm also a believer of approaching the rear of a vehicle in the right 3rd of the lane and then shift to the middle as I'm executing the pass with the purpose of trying to maximize staying in the view of the driver's mirror. If your forced to hang in the blind spot because the car in front of you isn't/cant advance, you should not be moving up to pass. I also loved Ari's comment about checking your mirrors when you have to get on the brakes. Best to assume that the person behind you is not paying attention because at some point, if you ride long enough, that will be the case.
The Dumb and Dumber piece was FANTASTIC... a must watch show. I've been riding for many years but was one of those folks VERY intimidated by "The Track"... and would never have just signed up for a track day. I've been learning about (and getting comfortable with) track riding by going through the California Superbike School... it's a great way for an experienced street rider to get into track riding. Well, that or one of the other track programs out there... tho imo CSS is the best ;-) .
I ride a Harley, am a super fat dude, love me some bright pink gear just to go against the Harley uniform as I wear my full face armored gloves and vans
Agree with Spurg here about street vs track - Ari and Zack grew up at racetracks and probably don't have the same fear going in. For a newer rider I get nervous looking at all the rules and possibly ruining it for everyone else even before starting (and I haven't even been to a proper track yet). A low traffic street or a parking lot is a much better environment for me to get more comfortable. Of course, once you have a strong base skill level then tracks start feeling like more of a playground than a boss fight lair in a videogame.
Pretty awesome show you guys. I'd like to weigh in on motorcycle survival. I'm also here in PA and a lot of the riders here wear little to no gear and ride way faster than the laws allow and they feel they can get away with it because they are on a motorcycle. There are more motorcycle accidents around here caused by the riders themselves than the cars that they end up being in a collision with. Rider awareness and accountability is definitely #1 for street survival around here. It's too easy for kids to get a learners permit here in PA and hop on a supersport of any CC and kill themselves or someone else. A true story, when I took my BRC, one of the younger guys already had an R1. He rode well in the course but he treated the class like a competition. Did everything as fast as possible. He completed the class and got his license. 30 days after the class, it was on the news that he hit a car head on riding too fast around a turn. Crossed the double yellow right into a car. Died at the age of 20. It's too easy for younger people to become overconfident and hurt themselves and others in the process. A smaller motorcycle possibly would have kept this dudes inexperience in check enough to get around the corner without dying. Other countries have it right with the different class levels for motorcycles. Between age and rider experience, it takes time to develop skills and maturity on a motorcycle to step up to larger faster bikes.
Chain maint isn't hard so much as it is inconvenient. For those who want to treat a motorcycle as a true alternative to a car, lubing every 500-600 is an inconvenience. This is particularly so if the bike has no means included with the bike to lift the rear wheel. MFG'ERS: MORE CENTER STAND OR ENGINEER A BETTER ALTERNATIVE Is the center stand not just a bit younger than the bicycle?
I am going on 74 and I can only say ride at your level of confidence and have the best safety gear you can afford, Ps I ride a 2022 Hayabusa and when getting a new bike set it up for your weight and ridding style. First !
One point in favor of road is that you may already have familiarity with road and traffic patterns from driving a car on the same road. Especially from some starting to ride, they must've driven a car before.
I live on a road where many people, both cars and motorcycles, race through the area which is known for multiple accidents every year. The speed limit was reduced earlier this year from 55 Tom 35 MPH yet many people totally ignore that and go well above the 55 that it used to be. There have been fatalities here, one earlier this year. A lot of the time these people are going through the curves on the wrong side of the double yellow line. Many of the curves on this road are blind and there are rises and drops in the road as well. This section of road has been in many vehicle commercials and a couple movies. I can sit a look out the window and watch the emergency vehicles when there is an accident.
Great show guys. Always fun listening to you all. Not often I see you off the mark knowledge wise regarding a bike model. I suppose Triumph is not a big thing in the US. The new speed triple is a huge step forward over the old bike and also a change of target for triumph for that model. New engine with bigger displacement and almost 30 more hp, while losing more than 5 kg there alone. New chassis as well. Altogether it went from a good street bike that was overweight a bit sluggish and had an underwhelming engine when compared with the previous generation of European naked, to a 180hp, light, 6-axis imu'd , scalpel of a thing, that is borderline to stiff and focused for the street. Time for a back to back comparison so you can attest for yourselves. Thumbs up and can't wait for the next one.
Without knowing where the edge is (which you should only experiment and identify on the track) you don't know how close you are to the edge for street riding.
I lived in Chile for two years and have been to Peru a few times. I have seen police in Peru on adventure bikes (not sure of the make as they seem obscure to me). In Chile the “Carabineros” or military police that are the primary law enforcement are always on dual sports. I believe most of them are Kawasaki KLRs. Last time I was in Peru, I drove from Lima to Huaráz in a Nissan Altima and the whole time I was nervous and wishing I was on a motorcycle because like Spurge said, it would probably be safer given the narrow roads in the Andes around all the crazy semis that drive those roads!!
I was thinking of getting a Street Twin or Street Scrambler then I did a test ride day on a Can Am Spyder RT. Remmebered how much I liked them from my 3 wheel MSF I bought one. Well, a used one from ebay currently getting it shipped from Louisiana. Can't wait to get to the riding and then start my own RC (B.O.S. - Buds of Spurg) lol In terms of physical bike size there is too big and too small. Im a big guy and learned on a Yamaha 250 and it was far and away too small for me. A few days later I test sat my brothers HD Deluxe and while the overall size felt good it felt too heavy for me as a beginner. I forget what the road is called but irs definetly in Bolivia.
38:40 Zach gently corrected Ari but I think it bears repeating: Cars stop faster than motorcycles. If you think bikes stop faster, YOU'RE WRONG. A sport bike can only stop about as fast as a normal pickup truck or minivan. Performance oriented cars and normal passenger cars stop much faster than that (20 to 30 feet shorter than a bike from 60 MPH). Everyone on a bike should know this. The average 4 wheeled road vehicle stops 18% faster than the average motorcycle!
I found the track experience optimal to hone skills and gain a better appreciation of the capabilities of the motorbike. Never ride anywhere near a race pace and lack the skill and guts to do so but truly an exhilarating experience. I find myself riding with a much wider safer margin on the road and evolving my survival techniques.
I love RevZilla & high side/low side just recently had knee replacement surgery (right knee) and live in Montana,so no riding for me. Would love to get that free T-shirt or any other freebies your handing out. Also love the Daily Rider, that's my armchair riding session this winter. Keep up the good work. Wheelie On, brothers!!
26:43 My comment is directed at you, Master Courts. The nearest track to me is southwest of Toronto hence I can't ride on a track. Never have but WOULD FREAKING LOVE TO Big fan stay gangster. Looking forward to my 100 page 'zine. I like how SPURGEON DUNBAR is usually just poking fun at ZC and then Zack Attac Bac. Hard. Ari (not R E, its AIR-ee) and you both are the greatest thing to happen in motorcycling since manufactured motorcycles. Evenin', ~ mammal
@@ItsMeeJon I find myself riding behind cars that smells strongly of weed fairly often these days in Florida, Cant say any of them have been driving dangerously, speeding, or staring at a cellphone 🤔 unlike alot of other cars on the road 😹
Have never been on a track, I think I would really enjoy it. Unfortunately distance to a track, cost, time off work, etc has been a hurdle I haven't gotten past so far. I have had a couple of accidents on the street. At the time I did say it was out of my control. Looking back with more experience, I can say that while the car drivers were noted as being at fault, one of the accidents could've been avoided with either a faster bike to get out of the way, faster reaction, or better emergency braking. Another accident I had I am not sure if I could've avoided it. Light turned green, I paused, checked cross traffic, then started to turn left. As I was half way through turning into the intersection a truck blew through the red light past all the stopped traffic and was only visible from my position as it entered the intersection. Maybe I could've stopped safely with more emergency braking practice, but at the time, at that speed, it felt like my options were to be in front of a the truck and possibly die, or come off the bike and risk breaking something. Driver said he was in the right, that he had a green, he was looking at the next light that was green, at least I had plenty of witnesses to say he ran the red at 50 mph.
Track days: you seem to assume everyone wants to race. Some of us just want to go from place to place and enjoy the ride on the way. I have no interest in going around a track as fast as possible
58:30 MX or Track Solo is a short tight chain. MX or Track in the pack is a longer chain with more possibilities for pieces to fail or extenuating circumstances to be a cause factor in. Trail riding in general can be a squiggly variable length chain. Riding street on proper kit is an enormous evolving chain of events waiting to happen. Riding MX on street... is plain hooligan.
A "LIFE TIME" sticker that companies put on some products, actually means "for the life duration of the particular product" Meaning as long as the product is working, it doesn't need maintenence. But when it breaks, that is it! So, it doesn't mean for the duration of YOUR LIFE or the life of the bike itself, but the product itself, which has no certain life time limit ....
1:06:45 Such a great point. I recently bought a 2021 CRF450RX and things happen reaalllly quickly when the throttle goes past 3/4 compared to my old DR400 or RMX250.
Is the track safer generally speaking, yes. Do I enjoy track riding (dirt or tarmac), not really. It's the very unpredictable nature of 'riding in the wild' that holds attraction for me. And i say that wearing the scars from one of the 'pulled out in front of me and there was nothing I could do about it'. Good points all around though. Even for a dialed and attentive rider, there are always ways to improve your toolset and you should always be interested in expanding those tools. A rider is responsible for their OWN safety, PERIOD. If you can't take responsibility for that, you shouldn't be riding.
Quick question for the host and listeners: What is your go-to motorcycle boot/shoe for long multi-day summer trips? I've tried ventilated mid-boots and shoes and ended up using the hairdryers of the hotel rooms too often to my liking (even if it's warm, having your feet wet isn't comfortable). I've tried full-boots with Gore-Tex and other brands' equivalent, but I almost always end up as wet from the sweat as if it had rained. What's your opinion on waterproof socks combined with breathable boots? Or do you prefer something like the Sidi Aria (I haven't tried them yet), which supposedly keeps you cool and dry?
The question about black gear wasn't actually about black gear. It's about non-black summer gear that STILL has black on the shoulders and/or upper back. Bilt Tecno. REV'IT Airwave. Joe Rocket Pheonix 6. Cortech AeroFlow. All white or colored bodies, with black in the sections that are right out there in the beating sun. Why?
I've crossed the center line, nearly rear ended a minivan when traffic stopped abruptly. I nearly tboned a minivan when speeding around a blind corners. People have changed lanes into me and turned in front of me. But overtime I have developed strategies to ride defensively and I frequently practice various riding skills. These types of incidents have become fewer and further between. I really don't have very many close calls anymore. I believe the rider is at fault in at least 95% of motorcycle incidents. That may not have been the ruling of an insurance company, but it should be the perspective of the riders themselves.
I had a front tire blow out on my Honda Transalp in Mongolia. The bike was fully loaded with me, my girlfriend and luggage. We were cruising along at 100km/h (62mph). Luckily we were on a flat straight section of road. Although I’d lost steering control, I was able to coast to a stop and stay shiny side up. If we’d been on a corner, I’m pretty sure we’d have gone down. Anybody else had an explosive flat tire? How did that work out for you?
I was amazed to hear such an experienced motorcycle racer like Ari has yet to hit 200mph on a bike yet!?! ARI come down to South Florida and we'll put you on!
Talking about dangers with motorcycleing there is only One man you call: Please have "Fast Eddie" (aka Greg Widmar), the man behind MotoJitsu on the podcast. He's one of the most important people in motorcycling trying to make motorcyclists safer and more skilled.
I don't get why "motorcycle experts" all say that a liter bike is a bad idea for starting out on. Background, I didn't have riding experience, just rode my uncle's 1150RT a few times, got hooked, and decided to buy his TL1000S. I ride 30miles of I5 daily and I couldn't ever go with a smaller bike for crushing the highway. Yeah it wheelies but just don't pin it. Stop telling people they are scary, and tell people they just need need to respect it. Plus small bikes don't sound very good. Cross plane Yamaha and V-Twin mannnn.
I never saw the Licence Plate.. but I saw the Cop checking you all out.. I would think an engine with as much power as the mini bike had could have utilized taller gearing.. I was amazed that you wore out 3 year tires.. I deserve a $20 Revzilla gift card just for watching it..
The plate was visible in the video, and they explain why they chose the gearing they did, and how the tires were wearing out (designed for 5-10mph lawn tractors on grass, not 30mph+ on highways with two grown men on top of it). Did you actually watch that video, or this one?
I have been riding 40 plus years just stay in your lane going between cars isn't a good idea there is always a driver who will get mad and open their door
As stupid as car drivers can be (and i'm sure we've all had our close calls because of some mom on her cell phone in a minivan) unfortunately the majority of accidents happen due to rider error. We all love to blame others but if we all learn to be better riders we can lower the accident rates drastically.
The problem is that ppl buy the wrong motorcycles! I grew up on Italy and I drove, throughout my life every engine size! Beginner must start with a scooter! There is no way around! Please buy yourself a Vespa 125 or something similar not a 1000000cc speed monster that not even Valentino Rossi would use in public street like most ppl uses it here in the states! That is really sad and dangerous!
I disagree that having less power is a better environment if you're responsible enough to know when to use it. Slow bikes fell so much more dangerous, because it limits my ability to get out of situations. I probably would have been killed in a rear end collision last year if I didn't have a powerful sportbike to get me going.
My girlfriend (31f) and I (34m) have been arguing for a year now on this. I would like to get into riding, and she is vehemently against it. So much as someone winding it out half way to redline from a stop sign near us, or her seeing me watching a daily rider episode is enough to cause multi-day arguments and lots of tears. Skipping over the typical points, she has proposed as a compromise that I agree to only ride on the track or the dirt, and not ride on the street. As much as those things sound fun, and I would love to experience them, I just don't see them as a replacement for riding on the street, and more importantly I can't imagine that it would be looked upon favorably by people at a track to have a complete beginner out there, especially when they aren't even able to get used the basics of riding the bike (like working the transmission) before coming to the track. It's been extremely frustrating.
I hope by now you have a motorcycle! I would like to offer statistics driven safety improvements. I don’t calculate exact numbers but around 95% of accidents have at least one of the below ingredients. 1. Not wearing gear. All the gear, all the time 2. Impaired riding 3. 20 miles over the speed limits 4. Night ride 5. Wet road 6. No ‘safety riding course’ 7. No ABS motorcycle Having wife and kids, I always make sure to follow above statistics driven items Good luck to you! Stay safe
I couldn't find the exact tire they used but similar ones on tractor supply co website that are a little bit bigger say 165lb rating, very impressive :)
Y'all!! Maintaining a chain is not that hard!! It takes me 5 minutes when it's just cleaning and lubing, 15min if I need to adjust the slack... Takes no time, and it is great peace of mind =) PS: If you’re passing through Oklahoma and you think you can just speed through the state without any chance of getting run down from behind, think again. The Oklahoma Highway Patrol has a little surprise for you, a Suzuki Hayabusa Police Interceptor, all nice and shiny and black and radar equipped. The OHP is set to get special training at the California Superbike School. Better slow ‘er down boys. Source: Cycle World Photo: John Owens As far as I've seen it is a Gen1 Hayabusa, so they are probably not using it anymore
That's disappointing to hear the BMW chain didn't last as long as expected. I now wonder how many miles you could get with extended maintenance intervals, like 1000 between cleaning and lubing.
This is one of the most annoying parts of being a motorcyclist. The only people who I talk about bikes with now are other riders. They're the only ones who get it.
27:30 I wouldn’t go to the track because I don’t have the disposable income for it. I would need a new helmet, new gloves, new boots, and a full suit. I would need to deal with getting to and from the track and also the track itself. I priced a mild set of gear at about $2,000. (I have existing gear but it isn’t super high quality … a lot of it is the cycle world garbage brands that are fine for street). I have friends who do track days. Each of those is a couple hundred dollars and getting to and from the track seems to involve a uhaul rental or begging people to help you out which seems to have really mixed results. I’m sure as hell not buying a second car to have something that can tow a trailer that I would also need to buy. So each track day is hundreds of dollars, plus major updates front costs. Or I can ride on highway 1 in beautiful Northern California and it just costs gas money … and someday I’ll get better riding jeans and riding boots and riding gloves and replace my terrible helmet … but those purchases will be piecemeal.
Suzuki Hayabusa is a fraction of the cost to operate, compared to a chopper. You can literally just throw a motorcycle cop on it, instead of fueling a chopper and employing a separate pilot.
How can u make your love ones feel a bit easy for you on riding •Atgat •Responsible driver,and maintaing your bike even car •Be a good apple ,and assured them that you will not be a squid What else??
Hello, whether you have to pay emissions charges or not in some cities here in the UK is decided by the Euro emissions level of the vehicle. In London, anything before Euro4 have to pay an emissions charge to be in London. This will inevitably go up to Euro 5 in the near future.
Obvious who SBpainter is referring to... it's Ari ;-) Re BMW chain, isn't 12K just about the life span of regular neglected chain? Track racing teaches one thing only- how to go faster. It does not teach you roadcraft (observation). So taking your new found skill of going faster onto the road is actually dangerous unless your roadcraft is equally up to scratch.
Not that my opinion matters, but I've done it for years in the Pacific Northwest without issue. Hard not to ride in the rain here and since we get rain regularly the roads often don't have the heavy build up of gunk other areas get. I try and wear more visible clothing, get the best lights I can, ride slower and smoother and assume I have a Klingon cloaking device that I don't know if it's on or off, lol. After it's been raining a while traction is surprisingly good.
@@davidklementis5913 my first month riding my motorcycle i hit rainstorms twice and got soaked on my ride home. At first I thought it would be like a bar of soap in the bath with grip but it really wasn't bad at all. Got a rain suit(fishing rated) but will only use it if I'm stuck in the rain far from home. Always got my safety vest hi viz yellow
Question for Jen, what happened to the colour of the 90's and early 00's is it just the fact it doesn't sell as well as the normal colours and designs? Side note I'm sad and love to colour cooridinate but try finding good purple gear for men to match my purple Honda Hornet (599) I dare you. P.s Love the show, keep it up
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Talking about dangers with motorcycleing there is only One man you call: Please have "Fast Eddie" (aka Greg Widmar), the man behind MotoJitsu on the podcast. He's one of the most important people in motorcycling trying to make motorcyclists safer and more skilled.
Zack: "I'm not comfortable with both wheels off the ground"
Also Zack: *jumps literally every bike on Daily Rider*
Truly a man of the people.
He isn't like Spurg. He doesn't go back and listen to his podcasts. He's like the Mickey Rourke of motorcycle journalism.
As a registered nurse who spent a few years working in an orthopedics department, I recall probably 8/10 of the motorcycle injuries I helped treat were from motocross. Lots of wrist, ankle and leg fractures from not making a jump.
"Like an iceberg against the Titanic's hull" is my new favorite Ari Henning quote.
Ari Henning and Zack Courts are legends for riding to Aspen on the dumb and dumber diy scooter
Fr tho, that video had more biker energy than Sturgis.
Legit dedication to the craft.
Amen, brother. True hard core boppers.
My wife is a nurse and has to take care of patients who has been involved in motorcycle accidents and yes; You've guessed it right, she hates me having motorcycle. Thankfully I have been pointing idiotic riders while we drive together with car (no gear, stupid and dangerous riding etc) and said that usually those are the ones who crash. I take it safe, I drive to enjoy and Im in no rush when on my cafe racer. Drive safe peeps!
What kind of café racers do you have? I just picked up a 2021 Kawasaki Z 900 RS café and I love it. I’ve been riding for 30 years
You RIDE a motorcycle! NOT DRIVE IT!
First time watcher and Rider at 58 years old. I was Street riding at night making a Left turn and the rear end slid. Hit a patch of oil that was not cleaned up from an auto accident! Thank God I did not crash. I took two classes which I believe helped me big time! 🏍😎
Since we are having a moto confessional session here's mine lol.
I was on my 78 kz1000 (heavy bike, cruddy breaks ect). This was like the third month of me riding on my permit only. I had a lady do the classic "make a left turn directly in front of you" move and I decided it was a smart move to direct my attention to her so that I could wag my finger at her, gesture ect. In doing that I didn't notice that traffic was at a dead stop and I almost attempted to plow through a dodge RAM. Thankfully my 40 year old brakes held up.
Ever since then I don't waste time trying to "educate" other motorist. They don't care obviously or they wouldn't have done what they did in the first place ect.
Ride safe! Don't get complacent!
Yep, defensive riding all the way, it lessens the close calls for sure, and learn to just move on and continue where you're going if a close call does happen.
And don't forget high-viz gear! I don't care if it's not "cool" or whatever but people definitely see me haha!
I agree with Zach & Ari, the track is "safer" than the street. Intimidation does not necessarily equal safety. I agree with Spurge that the most dangerous thing on the street is the rider, specifically not riding to the conditions and/or at their skill level, but rather, beyond their skill level. The percentage of accidents on the road that are truly not avoidable is pretty damn small.
9/10 times I have a close call its because I was doing something dumb. When I ride safe with a right mind and open eyes it's smooth sailing. I had a very close one the other day. I went to go around an suv that looked like it was going to make a right turn. I went around the left side in a single lane. Sure enough it wasn't making a right turn. it was avoiding a stopped car making a left turn. I couldn't see the car over the suv. Slammed on the bikes locking the back up and barely missed becoming a window sticker. I didn't want to slow down and wait in traffic. Almost cost me an accident. Im thankful I was only going like 30 mph and could stop in time. Use ur head and obey the traffic laws. Ride safe everyone.
After 25 years of riding, I recently finished my first two coached track days (on my own bike), and I didn't enjoy it at all. Hard on the throttle, brake hard, turn in, try to get the knee down, again and again, and not going anywhere was just not my cup of tea. What I learned (and I kind of knew already) is that I am a road rider, and I prefer long distance touring. PS: After the track course I rode 6000 km in Spain and France ..
Wow, after logging into the hospital internet, as I am laying in a hospital bed after running into a suicidal deer, I see this podcast about motorcycles being dangerous. A 45-50 mph collision led to 4 broken ribs. and some bumps and bruises as well as a night stay for observation. Thank you to all the people who preach ATGATT as it truly saved me additional injuries. Not sure what hurts more , the ribs or the condition of my GSA. Motorcycles aren't as dangerous as deer...so I would like to advocate for banning all deer or at least training them to run AWAY from the road :)
Out of curiosity what was your gear choice head to toe?
Holy shit man glad you made out relatively unscathed, thats a fuckin gnarly way to go down.
At least you can confidently say "you should see the other guy" lmfao
Speaking of that, I'm so curious, in your newly acquired experience: is there any truth to the legend that bikes can cut a deer in half?
@@BadDriverrr Shoei GT Air, Sidi Adventure Boots, Klim Carlsbad Pants, and Olympia Expedition Jacket, Reax Castor gloves. A couple of scrapes on my right arm, but no other road rash. Somehow I have a pretty good cut on my ear...need to check out my helmet to see what happened there. Klim pants really did their job.
@@davereese1813 great stuff thank you. A Shoei Neotec 2 is in my Revzilla cart and all I wear is Sidi boots. Haven't owned a single piece of Klim gear but hear good things. Thanks again for the rundown, always looking for better, faster, more comfortable, safer. Notice I didn't say "cheaper" lol
@@rileyhughes5613 Definitely did not cut it in half. I have replayed the accident many times looking ways I could have avoided the deer. The deer came out on my right from someone's yard that had tall shrubs/evergreens planted maybe 6 ft off the road so I had little time to react. I initially hit my brakes, but let go of them just as I was about to make contact. The deer was not that big, so I hoped I could use the size of my bike to get over it. I actually dragged the deer under my motorcycle for a fair distance (the state trooper said there was a long stretch of deer hair on the road). I think the deer eventually rolled or something as I felt the bike lift up and the next thing I knew I was bouncing and rolling on the road and ended up off the side of the road. The deer tooks its last breath about the same time I was able to take my first breath. Upside is I am walking out of the hospital today.
Re: Police Bikes. When I first moved to my current residence in Northwest New Mexico the local PD used BMW as their patrol bikes. They switched to Harleys because there is no local BMW dealer and they had to transport the bikes to Albuquerque for service. There is a local Harley Davidson dealer. The choice isn't really just between BMW and Harley. The Kawasaki Concours 14 is also used by various police departments. I learned of that after purchasing one and looking to change the handlebars to provide a more upright seating position. I purchased a Helibars conversion after reading an endorsement by a state highway patrol officer (in another state). Cops don't want to ride around all day in a semi-crouched position any more than I do.
So interesting Ari saying he will now check his mirrors before braking hard on the street - something that was drilled into me as part of my rider training (with an ex-police instructor in the UK) was to check the mirrors before any significant change in speed, both acceleration and deceleration.
Also on the track safety point - IMO whilst the risk of an unexpected hazard is reduced, you are also running many parts of the bike closer to failure point, and for someone new to track riding having to learn this new mentality of going all-out will increase the risk of rider error.
i like spurgs question of bigger bikes with more rider aids. I've been riding for almost 5 yrs and just bought a new kawasaki zh2 after owning a cbr 500. Massive leap in power and going from zero rider aids to a ton of them. Knowing i have all those aids makes riding the bike feel so much safer and i can have fun getting on the bike a bit while also respecting the power and the limit of my abilities while i learn the bike. It's a amazing bike and i love it. Also completely agree with the statement that a lot of accidents can be avoided with riders being alert while their on the road and that's how i always ride.
I just traded in my 2016 Speed Triple R for a 2022 Speed Triple RS a few months ago and (while I understand the R is the lesser version compared to the RS) the new S3 is so much better! It handles literally like a dream. It will fly though corners totally glued down, you almost always feel like you can turn in harder even when you're already going insanely fast. The engine revs up so fast and has so much power. It's one of the best bikes being produced currently IMO. It is just so much fun.
34:25 totally agree with Spurg and one thing that comes to mind is something I heard Neevesy at MCN say when talking about his extensive road testing experience: The question in a wreck on the street is not who was at fault, but was it avoidable if the motorcyclist had taken the right steps. In my opinion the vast majority of street wrecks can be avoided.
It doesn't help to be innocent, when you are dead...
As a new rider, I would love to go to a track and try to learn and push my limits. But that would also come with a risk of wrecking my one and only bike which is quite a deterrent.
So im gonna take it slow for now.
most people who hit the track have a track dedicated bike. Look for something used and without a title, you'll get a good deal and wont be worried about spilling it.
I’m just getting back into riding after a 10 year break, and this time I have three kids waiting at home. Now safety is my number one goal, and I’m absorbing all the shared experiences I can. I took so much away from this discussion. Thank you!
May we all learn from our mistakes.
+ been rear-ended at a stop light, now keep an eye on the mirror at every intersection.
+ been merged into and +almost+ hit on the Mass Pike, because I didn't give myself an out. I know better now.
Mad props for giving @longhaulpaul a little name check. He's a good dude doing good things for the MS community.
I appreciate Ari's and Zack's body of experience riding large bikes and the advice given but I still struggle with accepting the generalized (?) idea that riding a large liter bike on the street is a bad idea. I know they are crazy powerful and one has to keep their eyes peeled all. the. time. in order to be able to ride them reasonably safely and responsibly. I know what I am talking about, being owner of a 2020 RSV4 Factory. When I bought it, I knew full well I would hardly ever be able to even touch the sides of its capabilities and whenever I ride, I am always thinking in terms of "Is that gap between the cars large enough for me to be able to slow down?", or "Is this straight long enough for me to overtake all these cars?", or "Isn't there a crossroad quarter a mile down the road a car could pull out from?". I bet many car drivers probably wonder why I stick around in a slower-moving group of cars while I just keep making all of these calculations in my head and I only "pull the trigger" and roll on the throttle when I do know I can handle the outcome.
My point is, if one has their head screwed on right, they shouldn't be too scared to hop on an S1000RR, or an R1 and have a good time on it. One just needs to accept the fact that these bikes are "straight eaters" and the next corner, or the car ahead, always comes much quicker than they might think. Conversely, if someone absolutely has to be able to squeeze every last drop of their bike's performance even on the street, then a liter-class bike is definitely not something they should be looking at.
Anyway, thanks for the new episode of the podcast. Thoroughly enjoyed the chatter. Greetings from the Czech Republic. :)
If you are mature enough, then litre bike is no problem. Also, I have a much different experience on a litre bike at 250 than a 150 pounder. My litre bike and 1400 will not power wheelie with me, but will with a smaller human being
I always tell people to learn on a dirt bike where they can pick up all of the basic riding skills before having to deal with cars and traffic ect..
One of the things that make the BMW GS so great as a COP bike is that they come with a factory wiring harness specifically for the Police and there needs which eliminates all of the electrical gremlins that come with the chopping of a harness to add light a siren and what ever else they need.
As a resident of Oregon I did not know that! Very exciting! (the whole lane filtering in OR part at the beginning)
As someone who has been laid up for 2 months already because of an inattentive driver, I don't remember the accident but the driver was so out of it that he had no idea what happened and kept driving for almost a mile until another motorist chased him down. I wish I remembered what happened so I could at least have learned a lesson from it. I have a very long road to recovery and probably won't be able to walk for at least another few months. I have spent most of my downtime watching TH-cam videos about motorcycles and these podcasts. I can't wait to get back on 2 wheels and have been dreaming about what bike I'm going to be replacing my totaled XSR900 with, any suggestions? Thanks for helping to keep me sane while I'm busy riding a wheelchair instead of a motorcycle.
Triumph triples, kawi rs900, or xsr 700 are cool bikes to look at.
Or do what I did, 'downgrade' from a liter bike for practicality. Picked up an 07 fz6 and love how capable it is and how much a smaller inline 4 can scream.
@@bobbayyy Have had an 2007 FZ6 since new and agree with your assessment. I've also had my eyes on the 900RS and other simular retro classics for my next street bike.
George G i hope you have a quick and full recovery!
Damn brother that sucks hope you make a full recovery. I’m glad you’re still planning on riding. You didn’t say how much experience you have but I’ve been riding for 30 years. I had a pretty bad accident back in 1999 but yours sounds worse. Anyways I just picked up a 2021 Kawasaki Z900 RS Café and I absolutely love it. Maybe you can look into that. The RS and the RS café are different so take a look at both
Postersm, I have been riding for 13 years. This is my first real accident, everything else was just parking lot drops etc...
100% agree that there will always be those outlier freak accidents, but people always like to say "it's not you I worry about, it's the other people on the road!" And I always say as a rider it's my job to not only be alert and paying attention for myself, but for all those around me as well. We are all human and make mistakes, and sometimes even as a rider you can lose focus for a a split second, day dreaming about whatever on a long ride... And in that instant something can happen. It's the risk we are all take for the love of riding... But, it really is all about being alert, paying attention 110%, recognizing patterns, and predicting other people's moves. Like Dan the fireman says, the uncommon thing in a common situation. Don't ride too fast unless your in an area with good visibility and low traffic/no intersections, and always leave yourself plenty of room to react, or be ready to react regardless in those higher than normal incident zones like intersections. It is entirely possible to build riding habits that significantly reduce your chances of getting hurt out there. Greetings from Doylestown. Ride safe!
I just got finished running the MABDR from VA to NY. That part went well. On the return trip, I came down I-81 and dealt with a flat tire in Harrisonburg and then getting hit by a car in Roanoke. I was able to experience the unenviable "death wobble". By divine intervention, the bike stayed upright and I live to ride another day. Some things I learned/re-learned about motorcycle safety. Don't pass a vehicle in the hammer lane until you have enough room to be well in view of the peripheal vision of the driver. While this is something that I know, I didn't do it on this occasion and it almost got me bit. I'm also a believer of approaching the rear of a vehicle in the right 3rd of the lane and then shift to the middle as I'm executing the pass with the purpose of trying to maximize staying in the view of the driver's mirror. If your forced to hang in the blind spot because the car in front of you isn't/cant advance, you should not be moving up to pass. I also loved Ari's comment about checking your mirrors when you have to get on the brakes. Best to assume that the person behind you is not paying attention because at some point, if you ride long enough, that will be the case.
The Dumb and Dumber piece was FANTASTIC... a must watch show.
I've been riding for many years but was one of those folks VERY intimidated by "The Track"... and would never have just signed up for a track day. I've been learning about (and getting comfortable with) track riding by going through the California Superbike School... it's a great way for an experienced street rider to get into track riding. Well, that or one of the other track programs out there... tho imo CSS is the best ;-) .
Great show guys also I loved Ari and Zack on their dumb and dumber episode
I ride a Harley, am a super fat dude, love me some bright pink gear just to go against the Harley uniform as I wear my full face armored gloves and vans
Agree with Spurg here about street vs track - Ari and Zack grew up at racetracks and probably don't have the same fear going in. For a newer rider I get nervous looking at all the rules and possibly ruining it for everyone else even before starting (and I haven't even been to a proper track yet). A low traffic street or a parking lot is a much better environment for me to get more comfortable. Of course, once you have a strong base skill level then tracks start feeling like more of a playground than a boss fight lair in a videogame.
Pretty awesome show you guys. I'd like to weigh in on motorcycle survival. I'm also here in PA and a lot of the riders here wear little to no gear and ride way faster than the laws allow and they feel they can get away with it because they are on a motorcycle. There are more motorcycle accidents around here caused by the riders themselves than the cars that they end up being in a collision with. Rider awareness and accountability is definitely #1 for street survival around here.
It's too easy for kids to get a learners permit here in PA and hop on a supersport of any CC and kill themselves or someone else. A true story, when I took my BRC, one of the younger guys already had an R1. He rode well in the course but he treated the class like a competition. Did everything as fast as possible. He completed the class and got his license. 30 days after the class, it was on the news that he hit a car head on riding too fast around a turn. Crossed the double yellow right into a car. Died at the age of 20. It's too easy for younger people to become overconfident and hurt themselves and others in the process. A smaller motorcycle possibly would have kept this dudes inexperience in check enough to get around the corner without dying. Other countries have it right with the different class levels for motorcycles. Between age and rider experience, it takes time to develop skills and maturity on a motorcycle to step up to larger faster bikes.
Chain maint isn't hard so much as it is inconvenient. For those who want to treat a motorcycle as a true alternative to a car, lubing every 500-600 is an inconvenience. This is particularly so if the bike has no means included with the bike to lift the rear wheel.
MFG'ERS: MORE CENTER STAND OR ENGINEER A BETTER ALTERNATIVE
Is the center stand not just a bit younger than the bicycle?
I am going on 74 and I can only say ride at your level of confidence and have the best safety gear you can afford,
Ps I ride a 2022 Hayabusa and when getting a new bike set it up for your weight and ridding style. First !
The taller your bike is the more distance it will fling you on a highside.😂
One point in favor of road is that you may already have familiarity with road and traffic patterns from driving a car on the same road. Especially from some starting to ride, they must've driven a car before.
I live on a road where many people, both cars and motorcycles, race through the area which is known for multiple accidents every year. The speed limit was reduced earlier this year from 55 Tom 35 MPH yet many people totally ignore that and go well above the 55 that it used to be. There have been fatalities here, one earlier this year. A lot of the time these people are going through the curves on the wrong side of the double yellow line. Many of the curves on this road are blind and there are rises and drops in the road as well. This section of road has been in many vehicle commercials and a couple movies. I can sit a look out the window and watch the emergency vehicles when there is an accident.
I always refer people to start in a MSF DirtBike class. You learn how to ride. Learn to shift, some safety and the ground is softer than the asphalt.
Great show guys. Always fun listening to you all. Not often I see you off the mark knowledge wise regarding a bike model. I suppose Triumph is not a big thing in the US. The new speed triple is a huge step forward over the old bike and also a change of target for triumph for that model. New engine with bigger displacement and almost 30 more hp, while losing more than 5 kg there alone. New chassis as well. Altogether it went from a good street bike that was overweight a bit sluggish and had an underwhelming engine when compared with the previous generation of European naked, to a 180hp, light, 6-axis imu'd , scalpel of a thing, that is borderline to stiff and focused for the street. Time for a back to back comparison so you can attest for yourselves.
Thumbs up and can't wait for the next one.
Without knowing where the edge is (which you should only experiment and identify on the track) you don't know how close you are to the edge for street riding.
As a new rider this is such a great discussion to hear!
I lived in Chile for two years and have been to Peru a few times. I have seen police in Peru on adventure bikes (not sure of the make as they seem obscure to me). In Chile the “Carabineros” or military police that are the primary law enforcement are always on dual sports. I believe most of them are Kawasaki KLRs.
Last time I was in Peru, I drove from Lima to Huaráz in a Nissan Altima and the whole time I was nervous and wishing I was on a motorcycle because like Spurge said, it would probably be safer given the narrow roads in the Andes around all the crazy semis that drive those roads!!
I was thinking of getting a Street Twin or Street Scrambler then I did a test ride day on a Can Am Spyder RT. Remmebered how much I liked them from my 3 wheel MSF I bought one. Well, a used one from ebay currently getting it shipped from Louisiana. Can't wait to get to the riding and then start my own RC (B.O.S. - Buds of Spurg) lol In terms of physical bike size there is too big and too small. Im a big guy and learned on a Yamaha 250 and it was far and away too small for me. A few days later I test sat my brothers HD Deluxe and while the overall size felt good it felt too heavy for me as a beginner. I forget what the road is called but irs definetly in Bolivia.
38:40 Zach gently corrected Ari but I think it bears repeating:
Cars stop faster than motorcycles.
If you think bikes stop faster, YOU'RE WRONG. A sport bike can only stop about as fast as a normal pickup truck or minivan. Performance oriented cars and normal passenger cars stop much faster than that (20 to 30 feet shorter than a bike from 60 MPH).
Everyone on a bike should know this. The average 4 wheeled road vehicle stops 18% faster than the average motorcycle!
I found the track experience optimal to hone skills and gain a better appreciation of the capabilities of the motorbike. Never ride anywhere near a race pace and lack the skill and guts to do so but truly an exhilarating experience. I find myself riding with a much wider safer margin on the road and evolving my survival techniques.
I love RevZilla & high side/low side just recently had knee replacement surgery (right knee) and live in Montana,so no riding for me. Would love to get that free T-shirt or any other freebies your handing out. Also love the Daily Rider, that's my armchair riding session this winter. Keep up the good work. Wheelie On, brothers!!
Great show guys! Really entertaining.....
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My comment is directed at you, Master Courts.
The nearest track to me is southwest of Toronto hence I can't ride on a track.
Never have but WOULD FREAKING LOVE TO
Big fan stay gangster.
Looking forward to my 100 page 'zine.
I like how SPURGEON DUNBAR is usually just poking fun at ZC and then Zack Attac Bac. Hard.
Ari (not R E, its AIR-ee) and you both are the greatest thing to happen in motorcycling since manufactured motorcycles.
Evenin',
~ mammal
'Luckily that stoner driving an oldsmobile was paying attention' -Not something you hear every day. 🤣🤣 God bless that stoner.
Most stoners I encounter drive better than sober old ladies
@@ItsMeeJon FACTS. 😅😂
@@ItsMeeJon I find myself riding behind cars that smells strongly of weed fairly often these days in Florida, Cant say any of them have been driving dangerously, speeding, or staring at a cellphone 🤔 unlike alot of other cars on the road 😹
Have never been on a track, I think I would really enjoy it. Unfortunately distance to a track, cost, time off work, etc has been a hurdle I haven't gotten past so far.
I have had a couple of accidents on the street. At the time I did say it was out of my control. Looking back with more experience, I can say that while the car drivers were noted as being at fault, one of the accidents could've been avoided with either a faster bike to get out of the way, faster reaction, or better emergency braking. Another accident I had I am not sure if I could've avoided it. Light turned green, I paused, checked cross traffic, then started to turn left. As I was half way through turning into the intersection a truck blew through the red light past all the stopped traffic and was only visible from my position as it entered the intersection. Maybe I could've stopped safely with more emergency braking practice, but at the time, at that speed, it felt like my options were to be in front of a the truck and possibly die, or come off the bike and risk breaking something. Driver said he was in the right, that he had a green, he was looking at the next light that was green, at least I had plenty of witnesses to say he ran the red at 50 mph.
Come to the ECTA Arkansas Mile in October and let’s get you guys over 200MPH! 😎🇺🇸🏍
Track days: you seem to assume everyone wants to race. Some of us just want to go from place to place and enjoy the ride on the way. I have no interest in going around a track as fast as possible
Don't ride a Mini Bike on the Highway with out a Chase vehicle with 4 ways on ..
58:30 MX or Track Solo is a short tight chain. MX or Track in the pack is a longer chain with more possibilities for pieces to fail or extenuating circumstances to be a cause factor in. Trail riding in general can be a squiggly variable length chain. Riding street on proper kit is an enormous evolving chain of events waiting to happen. Riding MX on street... is plain hooligan.
A "LIFE TIME" sticker that companies put on some products, actually means "for the life duration of the particular product" Meaning as long as the product is working, it doesn't need maintenence. But when it breaks, that is it! So, it doesn't mean for the duration of YOUR LIFE or the life of the bike itself, but the product itself, which has no certain life time limit ....
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Such a great point. I recently bought a 2021 CRF450RX and things happen reaalllly quickly when the throttle goes past 3/4 compared to my old DR400 or RMX250.
Good thing you have a track in your location.
the suzuki tl1000s lmfaooo! especially the episode on fast bikes in the 90s with shakey shane
Is the track safer generally speaking, yes. Do I enjoy track riding (dirt or tarmac), not really. It's the very unpredictable nature of 'riding in the wild' that holds attraction for me. And i say that wearing the scars from one of the 'pulled out in front of me and there was nothing I could do about it'. Good points all around though. Even for a dialed and attentive rider, there are always ways to improve your toolset and you should always be interested in expanding those tools. A rider is responsible for their OWN safety, PERIOD. If you can't take responsibility for that, you shouldn't be riding.
As far as police motorcycles, there is often political pressure to use American made cars/bikes. That kind of limits the options
They should go for the FTR 1200
Quick question for the host and listeners: What is your go-to motorcycle boot/shoe for long multi-day summer trips? I've tried ventilated mid-boots and shoes and ended up using the hairdryers of the hotel rooms too often to my liking (even if it's warm, having your feet wet isn't comfortable). I've tried full-boots with Gore-Tex and other brands' equivalent, but I almost always end up as wet from the sweat as if it had rained. What's your opinion on waterproof socks combined with breathable boots? Or do you prefer something like the Sidi Aria (I haven't tried them yet), which supposedly keeps you cool and dry?
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The question about black gear wasn't actually about black gear. It's about non-black summer gear that STILL has black on the shoulders and/or upper back.
Bilt Tecno. REV'IT Airwave. Joe Rocket Pheonix 6. Cortech AeroFlow. All white or colored bodies, with black in the sections that are right out there in the beating sun. Why?
I've crossed the center line, nearly rear ended a minivan when traffic stopped abruptly. I nearly tboned a minivan when speeding around a blind corners. People have changed lanes into me and turned in front of me. But overtime I have developed strategies to ride defensively and I frequently practice various riding skills. These types of incidents have become fewer and further between. I really don't have very many close calls anymore. I believe the rider is at fault in at least 95% of motorcycle incidents. That may not have been the ruling of an insurance company, but it should be the perspective of the riders themselves.
I had a front tire blow out on my Honda Transalp in Mongolia. The bike was fully loaded with me, my girlfriend and luggage. We were cruising along at 100km/h (62mph). Luckily we were on a flat straight section of road. Although I’d lost steering control, I was able to coast to a stop and stay shiny side up. If we’d been on a corner, I’m pretty sure we’d have gone down.
Anybody else had an explosive flat tire? How did that work out for you?
I was amazed to hear such an experienced motorcycle racer like Ari has yet to hit 200mph on a bike yet!?! ARI come down to South Florida and we'll put you on!
Talking about dangers with motorcycleing there is only One man you call: Please have "Fast Eddie" (aka Greg Widmar), the man behind MotoJitsu on the podcast. He's one of the most important people in motorcycling trying to make motorcyclists safer and more skilled.
Go to school, skills riding, parking lot maneuvers, off road school. Train, train, train.
I don't get why "motorcycle experts" all say that a liter bike is a bad idea for starting out on. Background, I didn't have riding experience, just rode my uncle's 1150RT a few times, got hooked, and decided to buy his TL1000S. I ride 30miles of I5 daily and I couldn't ever go with a smaller bike for crushing the highway. Yeah it wheelies but just don't pin it. Stop telling people they are scary, and tell people they just need need to respect it. Plus small bikes don't sound very good. Cross plane Yamaha and V-Twin mannnn.
Do you guys think there is a hole in the motorcycle market whether it be gear, bikes, or education?
I never saw the Licence Plate.. but I saw the Cop checking you all out.. I would think an engine with as much power as the mini bike had could have utilized taller gearing.. I was amazed that you wore out 3 year tires.. I deserve a $20 Revzilla gift card just for watching it..
The plate was visible in the video, and they explain why they chose the gearing they did, and how the tires were wearing out (designed for 5-10mph lawn tractors on grass, not 30mph+ on highways with two grown men on top of it). Did you actually watch that video, or this one?
I fell asleep to FortNine and woke up the fourth episode into RevZilla... Calling that one a happy accident 😂
Used to work at Ural, accurate description of riding one of those things. Might have to remind them to keep that press bike safe 😂
I have been riding 40 plus years just stay in your lane going between cars isn't a good idea there is always a driver who will get mad and open their door
As stupid as car drivers can be (and i'm sure we've all had our close calls because of some mom on her cell phone in a minivan) unfortunately the majority of accidents happen due to rider error. We all love to blame others but if we all learn to be better riders we can lower the accident rates drastically.
The problem is that ppl buy the wrong motorcycles! I grew up on Italy and I drove, throughout my life every engine size! Beginner must start with a scooter! There is no way around! Please buy yourself a Vespa 125 or something similar not a 1000000cc speed monster that not even Valentino Rossi would use in public street like most ppl uses it here in the states! That is really sad and dangerous!
I disagree that having less power is a better environment if you're responsible enough to know when to use it. Slow bikes fell so much more dangerous, because it limits my ability to get out of situations. I probably would have been killed in a rear end collision last year if I didn't have a powerful sportbike to get me going.
If the ABS kicks in, you have failed to brake better than the ABS.
1:00:00 the muscle sets heavily used are slightly different from track to mx/trail riding.
The trackday episode with Spurgeon and some other female member was hilarious. The silver fox Mr Oliver helped her out in the end somehow 😂😂
My girlfriend (31f) and I (34m) have been arguing for a year now on this. I would like to get into riding, and she is vehemently against it. So much as someone winding it out half way to redline from a stop sign near us, or her seeing me watching a daily rider episode is enough to cause multi-day arguments and lots of tears. Skipping over the typical points, she has proposed as a compromise that I agree to only ride on the track or the dirt, and not ride on the street. As much as those things sound fun, and I would love to experience them, I just don't see them as a replacement for riding on the street, and more importantly I can't imagine that it would be looked upon favorably by people at a track to have a complete beginner out there, especially when they aren't even able to get used the basics of riding the bike (like working the transmission) before coming to the track. It's been extremely frustrating.
I hope by now you have a motorcycle!
I would like to offer statistics driven safety improvements. I don’t calculate exact numbers but around 95% of accidents have at least one of the below ingredients.
1. Not wearing gear. All the gear, all the time
2. Impaired riding
3. 20 miles over the speed limits
4. Night ride
5. Wet road
6. No ‘safety riding course’
7. No ABS motorcycle
Having wife and kids, I always make sure to follow above statistics driven items
Good luck to you! Stay safe
I couldn't find the exact tire they used but similar ones on tractor supply co website that are a little bit bigger say 165lb rating, very impressive :)
Still rocking my white 1st gen Icon TiMax mesh jacket.
Washington state highway patrol rides Honda goldwings and BMW R1250 RT.
Y'all!! Maintaining a chain is not that hard!! It takes me 5 minutes when it's just cleaning and lubing, 15min if I need to adjust the slack... Takes no time, and it is great peace of mind =)
PS: If you’re passing through Oklahoma and you think you can just speed through the state without any chance of getting run down from behind, think again. The Oklahoma Highway Patrol has a little surprise for you, a Suzuki Hayabusa Police Interceptor, all nice and shiny and black and radar equipped. The OHP is set to get special training at the California Superbike School. Better slow ‘er down boys.
Source: Cycle World
Photo: John Owens
As far as I've seen it is a Gen1 Hayabusa, so they are probably not using it anymore
That's disappointing to hear the BMW chain didn't last as long as expected. I now wonder how many miles you could get with extended maintenance intervals, like 1000 between cleaning and lubing.
This is one of the most annoying parts of being a motorcyclist. The only people who I talk about bikes with now are other riders. They're the only ones who get it.
We have lane splitting here in most of Australia for a few years now , seams to work fine. you can tell the motorcyle riders in the pack!
27:30 I wouldn’t go to the track because I don’t have the disposable income for it. I would need a new helmet, new gloves, new boots, and a full suit. I would need to deal with getting to and from the track and also the track itself.
I priced a mild set of gear at about $2,000. (I have existing gear but it isn’t super high quality … a lot of it is the cycle world garbage brands that are fine for street). I have friends who do track days. Each of those is a couple hundred dollars and getting to and from the track seems to involve a uhaul rental or begging people to help you out which seems to have really mixed results. I’m sure as hell not buying a second car to have something that can tow a trailer that I would also need to buy. So each track day is hundreds of dollars, plus major updates front costs.
Or I can ride on highway 1 in beautiful Northern California and it just costs gas money … and someday I’ll get better riding jeans and riding boots and riding gloves and replace my terrible helmet … but those purchases will be piecemeal.
So how would the Super BMW Chain last if you lubed it daily ?
can confirm cleaveland pd highway division had 5.5 hyabusas in their moto fleet
I agree on more colorful gear. I'd love to rock some mens gear in pink and light blue
You need to define “street”. Big difference between LA and Bakersfield. Small town? Or are you talking downtown Chicago
Suzuki Hayabusa is a fraction of the cost to operate, compared to a chopper. You can literally just throw a motorcycle cop on it, instead of fueling a chopper and employing a separate pilot.
How can u make your love ones feel a bit easy for you on riding
•Atgat
•Responsible driver,and maintaing your bike even car
•Be a good apple ,and assured them that you will not be a squid
What else??
Take riding courses, to become a more proficient rider, whether on or off-road, maybe even both.
Great idea mate!
There are quite a few Zero FXS police bikes out there as well
Hello, whether you have to pay emissions charges or not in some cities here in the UK is decided by the Euro emissions level of the vehicle. In London, anything before Euro4 have to pay an emissions charge to be in London. This will inevitably go up to Euro 5 in the near future.
just quit registering your bikes duh
Obvious who SBpainter is referring to... it's Ari ;-) Re BMW chain, isn't 12K just about the life span of regular neglected chain? Track racing teaches one thing only- how to go faster. It does not teach you roadcraft (observation). So taking your new found skill of going faster onto the road is actually dangerous unless your roadcraft is equally up to scratch.
Commuting in the rain, do you think its worth it?
Not that my opinion matters, but I've done it for years in the Pacific Northwest without issue. Hard not to ride in the rain here and since we get rain regularly the roads often don't have the heavy build up of gunk other areas get. I try and wear more visible clothing, get the best lights I can, ride slower and smoother and assume I have a Klingon cloaking device that I don't know if it's on or off, lol. After it's been raining a while traction is surprisingly good.
@@davidklementis5913 my first month riding my motorcycle i hit rainstorms twice and got soaked on my ride home. At first I thought it would be like a bar of soap in the bath with grip but it really wasn't bad at all. Got a rain suit(fishing rated) but will only use it if I'm stuck in the rain far from home. Always got my safety vest hi viz yellow
Question for Jen, what happened to the colour of the 90's and early 00's is it just the fact it doesn't sell as well as the normal colours and designs? Side note I'm sad and love to colour cooridinate but try finding good purple gear for men to match my purple Honda Hornet (599) I dare you.
P.s Love the show, keep it up
Count me in for the South America ride Spurg!