Magnifico should be the FIRST KING of the Disney. He could switch from granting the wishes to giving people the opportunity to see their true talent. Through the series of plot maneuvers of course.
Could be, but i think a good scenario that a young magnifco who is getting the kinks of his magic suppose disregards the dangers of granting vague wishes. A serious disaster that almost destroyed the kingdom that traumatized him again. Teaching him the harsh lesson of being careful what you wish for, which could also explain why he is very strict on granting wishes in the later years
@@isaacvitela5131 Exactly. For example, what if once upon a time, he was a genuinely benevolent wish-granter who made wishes willy-nilly wherever he went until one day he granted a seemingly harmless gift only for that person to use their wish to cause chaos and havoc destroying Magnifico's home which forced him and Amaya to flee. This leads to him becoming disillusioned by wishes period and can only see selfishness and malice in them, and now he takes them away so people can never achieve their dreams thus never causing something like that again. This is what causes conflict with Asha since while she can acknowledge some wishes are selfish, taking them from people and never even giving them the chance to fulfill them themselves is equally wrong and selfish. Then when Star comes into the picture and starts granting wishes, Magnifico is driven by trauma and fear of losing his power to open the Book of Forbidden Magic to try and keep his 'perfect' society safe only for him to become the same monster that originally destroyed his home. However, what makes him a villain is that he never changes, even after he's defeated he still thinks he did the right thing and curses Asha for destroying his perfect kingdom, never realizing that had he actually dealt with his trauma and tried to deal with it maturely instead of only seeing the worst in others, maybe it would've never have come to this point.
You could easily make this film a *Greek Tragedy* simply by making Magnifico the Protagonist, a good king who's ultimately undone by the very flaws he fails to overcome
@@DylanM379 i think another cool concept would be a twist villian and twist hero asha being an accidental villian and magnifico being right the whole time and asha being driven by a bit of selfishness starting off they could of had asha be an already be the apprentice of magnifico starting off the movie and that they had a father daughter relationship due to the fact asha has no father and magnifico kid died when the kingdom was first founded due to granting a vague wish and that’s why he won’t grant asha’s grandfathers wish but obviously at the moment asha doesn’t know about magnificos kid i think if they made star and went with the star boy lover shapeshifter concept and after asha ran off they could of had star boy give asha magic and how to grant wishes and teach her how to use it falling in love with her as he teaches her though she doesn’t tell him what she plans to do with it fully she just says i want to be able to grant wishes then after a while it’s clear they both admit their feeling for each other and then asha decides to return to the kingdom to grant all the wishes and star boy argues and warns her not to telling her about how it could have consequences asha however doesn’t listen and returns to the kingdom where she has a showdown with king magnifico (it’s night) where he tries to stop her and warn her not to but asha successes in granting all the wishes for only chaos and destruction to ensue everything gone the entire kingdom ash all the people are shocked as all the light is gone and it’s just an empty dark island magnifico then comes up and explains the consequences and what happened to his own child star boy then comes over and talks to asha telling her her oh can fix what she’s done but he will have to return to the stars that’s the consequence she understands a heart felt moment as star boy and asha kiss and star boy walks over and uses his power to restore the kingdom a happy ending ensues where wish granting no longer exists there’s still magic but it’s more of the basic type magnifico remains king and asha remains as the apprentice but asha and magnifico have a father daughter relationship asha never will forget her star crossed lover boy and the people of rosa’s learn to make their wishes come true by them selves including her grandfather the end is happy but slightly bittersweet as asha no longer has her star boy lover that being the consequences of her actions and obviously star boy doesn’t die cause it’s disney he just must go back to the stars instead of staying with asha in rosas (they could of had her freinds be side characters and maybe also warn her in the beginning so at the end when rosas is ash they all just look at her disappointed and with sadness and the queen though she was an interesting character could have been more of a side character maybe having a talk with asha about why magnifico doesn’t grant all the wishes and tries to explain what happened with the kid before she runs off but asha too anger and annoyed runs off without listening) (disclaimer i haven’t watched the movie only some review videos) but yeah that’s my personal take on it there’s lots of concepts and other things that would of worked way better than what we got wish feels like a cool concept where someone came up with the idea wrote it into chat GPT and told it to make a movie (also i’m only thirteen so don’t come for me cause of my opinion 😭)
Where I thought they were going with Magnifico was that Magnifico’s wife was actually HIS WISH. That he wished to fall in love with a princess only for said magical construct to need more wishes to continue to exist. Hence why he was stockpiling wishes. To keep his wife alive hence why she looks the same in the book while he had aged. I kinda assumed this off of nothing, besides the Wife’s delivery was just kinda the good wife and placid I thought they HAD to be setting up a reveal that would tie into his tragic backstory.
You could also have it be that his wife died and his wish was to bring her back and at the end has to come to terms with her death with a last embrace between the two
It's kinda ironic how Disney tried very hard to make King Magnifico an irredimibile but hilarious kind of villain like Big Jack Horner or Bill Cipher and yet, in the end, they just failed very hard.
Did they really? They should have just given us a TRULY IRREDEEMABLE VILLAIN, not some half-assed "villain" who cant even be bothered to be consistent.
Original pitch from creative team: Humanoid shapeshifting star; fully 2d-rendered characters; truly villainous duo; death of a protagonist's family member that would add to the story progression. Corporate decision: Marketable plushie material star that literally does nothing apart from being cute, under-rendered 3d characters to emulate 2d style, underdeveloped villain, and lots and lots of unnecessary easter eggs. Yep, corporate meddling kills creativity.
They wanted to make an evil villain with sympathetic background and that's where they went wrong. You want the villain to be evil but also sympathetic, that doesn't work.
@@Vor567tezhis characterization is a walking contradiction. Two types of villains smooched into one in unholy fusion, only leaving behind a confused mess, and a divided audience about how he should've really been portrayed.
Honestly, the movie could've kept Magnifico as an antagonist, but give a face to past trauma and make that the classic evil villain. Have him still be flawed, but have it that Asha fucked up and brought the evil to their doorstep in her haste to grant too many wishes. She could learn from her mistakes and come to an understanding with Magnifico, while also helping him overcome his trauma so he could see the bigger picture. They could've still had their cake, and eaten it, too, but that would require more complex writing and probably a movie longer than 90ish minutes.
That completely misses the point of the wishes. Part of the whole thing is that he doesn't just "Genie Wish" grant them. It was something they are largely already capable of, will do on their own/ with the support of the community, and Magnifico isn't actually giving them ANYTHING. When he turns bro into a Super Cop, all he gave him was some armor and a sword. He did everything else. Dress Lady just got given a pair of scissors and him telling the whole community "she's making all the best dresses!". Of course her store is going to boom. There simply is no way that Asha could grant "too many wishes" because the wishes are all up to the individual in the first place! That's why he can't "grant" grandpa's wish, because Magnifico wouldn't have control of what kind of inspiration it would be. If he was the one magically making the wish come true, why not? If the wishes had no power outside of his magic, why hoard the ones he never intends to grant in the first place?
@@hartthorn The problem is that some wishes are ridiculous and the very people themselves thought they weren't capable of achieving them... that's why they gave the wishes, willingly, to Magnifico. He clearly didn't know how it affected the people. Even then, with the knight wish...why would Rosas need a knight if an all powerful wizard has protected the kingdom for decades? Would he be satisfied just being a knight, in a kingdom that doesn't need any? Or would he put himself in danger to validate his wish? Could that danger be somehow brought back to Rosas? Like I said, this is complicated. In no way did I say that Magnifico was completely in the right. He also needs to learn a lesson from this. The movie just fucked up the writing so bad that anything after he gets corrupted is pointless to discuss. You're right, why did he horde all the wishes? He gained nothing from having them. It's bad writing. No need to justify the movie's plot.
@@victoriaescobedo5458 True, but I'm talking about adding in a main villain while still keeping Magnifico as an antagonist. Like with Miguel and Spot in ATSV.
@@blackmanwithcomputer He didn't make a knight. He made a cop. Because he needed to police his citizens. Because they started questioning his authority. And half the time they don't even KNOW their wish. They had barely formed the concept before they gave Magnifico the existential form of their ambition. Magnifico absolutely knew what it did, because he was absolutely adamant about never giving them back. Because he was as much threatened by someone achieving their own wish outside of his regime. That's why he's so bent out of shape that another person would even TRY to do magic on his land, something he straight up OUTLAWED. Why would that even be outlawed, if not to preserve his powerbase.
Wish will go down as a tragic disney film, such a wasted potential. And the fact that its Disneys first animated film with a ROTTEN rating on Rotten Tomatoes in almost 20 yrs is even more depressing.
I hated how they treated King’s fall the most. He was respective to his partner for all we’ve seen, he listened to her, treated her as a valued person in the time when he went crazy, accepting her into his corrupted mindset like was supposed to be there. But in the snap of fingers she suddenly sees how blind she was, no love left. I was so much expecting ‘true love kiss’ moment! But no, nothing like that happened. I can understand that, alright, the book corrupted him with no way back, he hurt the queen and his people, and alriiight maaay beeee his villain deeds are soooo great that he deserves punishment… But he was ok person before he opened the evil book. It is a tragedy that a person got corrupted by the even spell. It should be treated as a tragedy! He was a good king all these years, but then they just mocked him and sent to dungeon. Lovely outcome for the person lost. The morals of the tale: you make one mistake and your loved ones will abandon you in the dungeon. Sweet
@thepsychicspoon5984 no. In my experience. You have to duck up royally to get dumped. He by fairy tale standards slightly missepped. No-one even died or got cursed.
@@ekaterinar.7677 Not really for todays society. It doesn't take much to get dumped. Hell, you don't even have to do anything wrong at all. You can do everything right, but if you have a little mishap. Lose your job, health starts failing, your finances are not to her liking, or maybe a guy with a higher status comes along. People are only as loyal as their options. I know too many families that got broken up because the husband got cancer. Life is not a fairy-tale. Life is dog eat dog, especially if you live in the US, where money is god.
Ugh, yes! In the end, the evil was removed from him. He was his normal self, which was NOT a villain. This could have been a great moment of showing how to forgive someone gone down the wrong road, like someone with an addiction.
they straight up made an evil villain without knowing how to do an evil villain. Or maybe even without wanting to. I would enjoy Magnifico more if he was actually less evil, but just a straight up omnipotent overseer judge of humanity, while still being human. Seeing how wishes can lead to disaster due to his own experiences and trauma, that he never trusts another human being to be the judge of what wishes could be granted. Underneath the facade of the great Magnifico, is a person that has little to no passion for other people and is more so a hermit from other people. A bitter outcast. It would be a good deep twist of the classic Disney villain, they start off powerful and able to do good with their power. But their experiences with other people makes them be filled with stressful and negative thoughts. Maybe the story could be less people should have their wishes come true, and something more deep like humans should have the love, trust, and support to reach accomplish their dreams.
That sounds great....and also too complex for the Disney brand lol. Across the Spider-Verse can have an antagonist like Miguel, but Disney seems petrified at the thought of challenging the audience.
@@blackmanwithcomputer It's not even a direct challenge, it's just a more deep character focused storyline more than it having one single moral or theme XD Then again, my taste in storytelling in Japanese roleplaying games like Persona. Because it focuses on the complications and multiple facets of human beings. Disney can do multiple facet characters like Moon Knight, but I guess the disney kids movie brand is worth sacrificing character and story depth rip XP
@@heroicgangster9981 True, I prefer Japanese animation when it comes to storytelling myself. The Disney kid brand just isn't an excuse anymore tho. That's why I brought up Spider-Man: a mainstream character loved by children all over the world as the most popular superhero by far. If fucking Sony can allow their artists to construct a movie that pits 2 flawed heroes, with different ideals, against each other in such a brutal manner....then Disney can tell a more complex story. Puss in Boots 2 exists ffs! A movie that had its main character be wrong and learn from it.
i think another cool concept would be a twist villian and twist hero asha being an accidental villian and magnifico being right the whole time and asha being driven by a bit of selfishness starting off they could of had asha be an already be the apprentice of magnifico starting off the movie and that they had a father daughter relationship due to the fact asha has no father and magnifico kid died when the kingdom was first founded due to granting a vague wish and that’s why he won’t grant asha’s grandfathers wish but obviously at the moment asha doesn’t know about magnificos kid i think if they made star and went with the star boy lover shapeshifter concept and after asha ran off they could of had star boy give asha magic and how to grant wishes and teach her how to use it falling in love with her as he teaches her though she doesn’t tell him what she plans to do with it fully she just says i want to be able to grant wishes then after a while it’s clear they both admit their feeling for each other and then asha decides to return to the kingdom to grant all the wishes and star boy argues and warns her not to telling her about how it could have consequences asha however doesn’t listen and returns to the kingdom where she has a showdown with king magnifico (it’s night) where he tries to stop her and warn her not to but asha successes in granting all the wishes for only chaos and destruction to ensue everything gone the entire kingdom ash all the people are shocked as all the light is gone and it’s just an empty dark island magnifico then comes up and explains the consequences and what happened to his own child star boy then comes over and talks to asha telling her her oh can fix what she’s done but he will have to return to the stars that’s the consequence she understands a heart felt moment as star boy and asha kiss and star boy walks over and uses his power to restore the kingdom a happy ending ensues where wish granting no longer exists there’s still magic but it’s more of the basic type magnifico remains king and asha remains as the apprentice but asha and magnifico have a father daughter relationship asha never will forget her star crossed lover boy and the people of rosa’s learn to make their wishes come true by them selves including her grandfather the end is happy but slightly bittersweet as asha no longer has her star boy lover that being the consequences of her actions and obviously star boy doesn’t die cause it’s disney he just must go back to the stars instead of staying with asha in rosas (they could of had her freinds be side characters and maybe also warn her in the beginning so at the end when rosas is ash they all just look at her disappointed and with sadness and the queen though she was an interesting character could have been more of a side character maybe having a talk with asha about why magnifico doesn’t grant all the wishes and tries to explain what happened with the kid before she runs off but asha too anger and annoyed runs off without listening) (disclaimer i haven’t watched the movie only some review videos) but yeah that’s my personal take on it there’s lots of concepts and other things that would of worked way better than what we got wish feels like a cool concept where someone came up with the idea wrote it into chat GPT and told it to make a movie (also i’m only thirteen so don’t come for me cause of my opinion 😭)
My biggest Marvel pet peeve is similar to this. It's when villains are too sympathetic for the audience and the writers forgot they were supposed to be evil, so they have them do some stereotypically evil thing near the end. Like in Wandavision, Tyler Hayward was a great character. He opposed the main cast but he was arguably more understandable than the actions of the main cast. So at the end he grabs a gun and attempts to shoot children for no reason other than that we as the audience are supposed to hate this guy.
I bet he thought the kids weren't real living creatures, that they were just magical constructs that would turn into red energy when shot. Still, it would have been nice to get his perspective on what he believes they are.
What's funnier is they did the same thing in ms marvel, some baddie tried to shoot kids and now he's no longer a sympathetic baddie, he's a real truly evil baddie. It's like making a character be blatantly "evil" by having them kill a dog, oh wait, they did that too in wandavision
Alan Walker is an even worse example dude tried to befriend them at every opportunity he got only for Sam and Bucky to act like high school mean girls for no reason.
@@arturzinurov4781 IKR...I can honestly remember four truely evil villain which I'm gonna ask you to guess,one is really forgetteble,one is corporate evil,and last two more memorable than other two and they are from same trilogy and same director...
Harm? What harm? There is one sad guy in the whole kingdom, everyone else is thrilled to live there wishes or not. He also doesn't force anyone to give him the wishes, they are freely given. That would have been an easy fix to make him actually evil, have a scene of him forcibly take a wish someone wanted to keep. Maybe Asha, for example, refuses to give up her wish, letting us see her wish and making her more compelling and giving her more of a relationship with the villain. But that would have required a good writer, which Disney seems very low on at the moment.
Yea, the ironic thing about the only person being "harmed" by their wish being taken, is the same person where when their wish is granted in the movie it's a bad thing...
Magnifico, in literally ANY other movie, would be the protagonist of the story. A king who came from a shattered homeland, who is actively working to ensure that the kingdom he presides over prospers, and doesn't know the harm his magic causes, and at the end of discovers the harm caused by him removing peoples wishes and becomes a better person for it. Or, if they want an ambiguous villain, here's how to do it: He's a well-intentioned extremist, and he thinks what he's doing is best for everyone. When chaos and havoc begins to happen, he realises he can draw power from the ungranted wishes through some means, and rather than turn around he decides to double down on what he thinks is best for the kingdom, resolving to get rid of EVERYONE'S wishes so that nobody can suffer, and then use the power of those wishes to seal the kingdom away from the rest of the world. The final confrontation isn't a fight, but making Magnifico realise that he's gone too far, and convincing him to return the wishes. Power reveals who you truly are, and Magnifico would be shown to be someone who cares a lot, someone who wants to protect his people, and will protect them even if they don't want it, because he's paranoid about what happened to him in his childhood happening again Edit: Thanks to everyone saying it's good! I'm glad you could enjoy my sleep-deprived brainchild!
Do you know what happened with that Disney movie that started as Kingdom of the Sun and then after extensive drama and rewrites became The Emperor's New Groove? Wish feels like the bad ending of a behind the scenes mess like that.
the mistake in Kingdom of the Sun was the writers insisting that they use the "animal transformation" plot on top of the swap plot The original idea is great; a prince and a shephard who look alike swap places. it's one of the most favorite tropes that exist. both learn outside of their old lives - the added threat of Izma wanting to make the sun disappear to get her youth back and partner up with the god of the night is great. The idea was that despite the pauper doing the sun ritual (which only the descendent of the sun, the prince, can do to keep the sun alight), it still works and Izma is defeated. also him falling in love with prince's fiancé and her with him; and our prince with a farmers girl? this was an amazing idea but nope, they went with the llama stuff instead. we got a funny movie, but it cost us an epic
@@z2ynI dunno. I think the llama transformation could’ve been worked into that original plot. Like, have the real prince turned into a llama and is forced to live a lower class life while the lookalike peasant assumes his place.
An evil power couple would have been entertaining, kind of like Briarwoods from Vox Machina. But modern Disney couldn't help themselves dipped back into safe territory and ruined what could have been a good movie.
@@sinnerthesinful552 like the cost of the films in general? It's still not safe. A lot more has been done with less money but nowadays Disney has a habit of throwing 150mil out of the window for any thing they make.
No. No no no. The wishes in Wish are meant to be the core ambitions of someone (think the core memories/personality islands from Inside Out). They aren't wishes for "I wish I had a million dollars", or "I wish my house was a mansion," or even the more darker and sicker wishes I've seen people mock the movie with. For ex. While Miguel in Coco might want the guitar of de la Cruz, his core wish is to be a musician. While Moana might want to return the Heart of Tefiti, her core wish is to be a way finder.
But that would mean that they could still potentially bring evil, for instance, the villain of Coco wanted to be a famous musician, but was willing to murder and steal to get there, Jafar wanted to be Sultan, yet look at all the horrible things he did to try and achieve it Same for every other villain
@@logicmeister1821 Yes, and, unlike what many critics would have you believe, Asha never wanted all the wishes granted. She wanted them returned. And an evil wish like those ya mentioned were ones she didn't want to be returned.
@@andrewdowns3673idk, flying and "inspire" are kinda dumb, also there's one that's like being a dress maker and magnifico gives her a pair of scissors
@@cesar6447 Aviators and pilots, like Tom Cruise in Top Gun, always talk about their dream to fly and that they are in heaven when flying. Creators and artists love to inspire others with their work. Seamstresses and fashionistas would kill to make a one-of-a-kind dress/clothing, such as for a king.
And this is not even mentioning the lackluster reaction from Queen Amaya. The love her life turning evil before her eyes, and she barely reacted to it, even mocking him at the end.
It really feels like there's two versions of the story that are contradicting each other. Like there's the first version of the story being made but then half way through they suddenly changed it but they've sunk so much time and money that they're unable to course correct.
As some one who hasn't seen the film yet and has been looking from the outside in, I get the feeling that disney either either forgot how or really doesnt want to go back to traditional always evil villains. Just by looking as his design that looks more like a classic disney prince and listening to clips of "thanks i get" which sound so up beat and cheery for a a villain song, it genuinly seems like they were struggling to not make this guy a complete twist villain, either by scrambking to remember how or my personal head cannon, they were throwing a tantrum the entire time about not being able to completly make this guy a twist or sympathetic villain like a kid being forced to eat their vegetables.
I mean at that point maybe they shouldn't have listened to fan demand, if they can't make a pure evil then don't do that, there clearly was a pretty good concept for a sympathetic villain there but it almost feels like they saw a lot of people being hyped about inredeemable villains and wanted to try that as well but also didn't want to throw away their concept of the sympathetic one either, like I love myself a hateable bad guy but disney shouldn't force themselves to make one just because people want classic disney villains back and yeah there was the original concept but given the world they created it sorta feels like they started by wanting to make a classic disney villain but as there story started to come together they had a different idea but still felt they needed to cling to that original concept to have a classic disney villain again, wich also feels kinda dumb because emperor belos was litterally right there disney you imbeciles you had a show with a hateable villain wich while not as bombastic as those old ones definitly has that same evilness and then you cancel the show why are corporations so bad at making decisions
i think another cool concept would be a twist villian and twist hero asha being an accidental villian and magnifico being right the whole time and asha being driven by a bit of selfishness starting off they could of had asha be an already be the apprentice of magnifico starting off the movie and that they had a father daughter relationship due to the fact asha has no father and magnifico kid died when the kingdom was first founded due to granting a vague wish and that’s why he won’t grant asha’s grandfathers wish but obviously at the moment asha doesn’t know about magnificos kid i think if they made star and went with the star boy lover shapeshifter concept and after asha ran off they could of had star boy give asha magic and how to grant wishes and teach her how to use it falling in love with her as he teaches her though she doesn’t tell him what she plans to do with it fully she just says i want to be able to grant wishes then after a while it’s clear they both admit their feeling for each other and then asha decides to return to the kingdom to grant all the wishes and star boy argues and warns her not to telling her about how it could have consequences asha however doesn’t listen and returns to the kingdom where she has a showdown with king magnifico (it’s night) where he tries to stop her and warn her not to but asha successes in granting all the wishes for only chaos and destruction to ensue everything gone the entire kingdom ash all the people are shocked as all the light is gone and it’s just an empty dark island magnifico then comes up and explains the consequences and what happened to his own child star boy then comes over and talks to asha telling her her oh can fix what she’s done but he will have to return to the stars that’s the consequence she understands a heart felt moment as star boy and asha kiss and star boy walks over and uses his power to restore the kingdom a happy ending ensues where wish granting no longer exists there’s still magic but it’s more of the basic type magnifico remains king and asha remains as the apprentice but asha and magnifico have a father daughter relationship asha never will forget her star crossed lover boy and the people of rosa’s learn to make their wishes come true by them selves including her grandfather the end is happy but slightly bittersweet as asha no longer has her star boy lover that being the consequences of her actions and obviously star boy doesn’t die cause it’s disney he just must go back to the stars instead of staying with asha in rosas (they could of had her freinds be side characters and maybe also warn her in the beginning so at the end when rosas is ash they all just look at her disappointed and with sadness and the queen though she was an interesting character could have been more of a side character maybe having a talk with asha about why magnifico doesn’t grant all the wishes and tries to explain what happened with the kid before she runs off but asha too anger and annoyed runs off without listening) (disclaimer i haven’t watched the movie only some review videos) but yeah that’s my personal take on it there’s lots of concepts and other things that would of worked way better than what we got wish feels like a cool concept where someone came up with the idea wrote it into chat GPT and told it to make a movie (also i’m only thirteen so don’t come for me cause of my opinion 😭)
I think they're worried about brand safeness. That if they go out of their comfort zone and try something new, it will flop and they'll lose a whole bunch of revenue from investors. Wish had the potential to be really amazing, enough to start making back some of the losses for their other recent failures, but they couldn't make themselves leave their bubble of storytelling safety. They stepped outside of it for a minute, got scared, and stepped back in, and the result of that is a story riddled with holes, characters going to waste, and people trying to frantically cover up the problems by slapping the audience in the face with Disney cameos.
I refuse to believe the idea he is a villain. Magnifico is just an overprotective parent with anger issues whose ungrateful children pushed over the edge. He was put in the villain category unfairly, he is just an antagonist and I will fight anyone who dares to defy my statement! *"Change my Mind"*
@@PlanetZoidstarAnd even that isn't bad, cause what entitles her that her goal is right!? Magnifico IS correct that imprecise wishes CAN hurt more that they can help!
I'm actually really bummed out now that I know what we could've gotten That star boy romance thing could've been so cute and oh my gosh an evil couple just being evil would've been friggin great and such a twist if they made it right
I've come across viewers who has their own versions of the movie that is better than the movie. It is so bland and uninspired that it rounds back into being inspiring.
I think it's because what we've been given with this movie has so much untapped potential to make it something truly enjoyable and we're disappointed that Disney does absolutely nothing with it. If it were on the level of the 1990's Renaissance classics, we wouldn't be feeling the need to speculate what could've been nearly as much because it's easier to enjoy those sorts of movies for what they are.
What’s most frustrating is that the entire beginning magnifico is portrayed as a well meaning antagonist that will eventually learn his lesson but abruptly becomes a full on evil villain for the sake of it. Couldn’t even make that part fun
Hey about the song "At All Costs", it sounds like a love song because it was supposed to be a f***ing love song, it was originally a duet between Star boy and Ahsa in the original plot of the movie, but the director's did a full 180 on the movie and now the only thing that truly remains from the original is this song only because Disney only cared about keeping the song for wedding purposes. That fact truly saddens me.
Dude is literally the victim of what is probably the worst case of character assassination ever. He literally worked hard to get what he earned, is respected by the village, only grants certain wishes to ensure the joy and safety of the villagers and tries to ensure nobody uses the book so nobody has to endure what the book has. They had to use the excuse of him being possessed aka he didn't have control over his body in order to make him evil
The more i learn about the plot, the more i image how i can make it better with the rewrites it in my mind as i go along. King Magnifico wouldn't work as a straight up evil villain if that's his background, more like a misunderstood that seems villainous to an outsider who don't know how to be responsible. The other stuff and motivations added doesn't make sense. Seems like they didn't have an editor or beta readers for the script before settling for this version. He had no reason to be full on evil.
i think another cool concept would be a twist villian and twist hero asha being an accidental villian and magnifico being right the whole time and asha being driven by a bit of selfishness starting off they could of had asha be an already be the apprentice of magnifico starting off the movie and that they had a father daughter relationship due to the fact asha has no father and magnifico kid died when the kingdom was first founded due to granting a vague wish and that’s why he won’t grant asha’s grandfathers wish but obviously at the moment asha doesn’t know about magnificos kid i think if they made star and went with the star boy lover shapeshifter concept and after asha ran off they could of had star boy give asha magic and how to grant wishes and teach her how to use it falling in love with her as he teaches her though she doesn’t tell him what she plans to do with it fully she just says i want to be able to grant wishes then after a while it’s clear they both admit their feeling for each other and then asha decides to return to the kingdom to grant all the wishes and star boy argues and warns her not to telling her about how it could have consequences asha however doesn’t listen and returns to the kingdom where she has a showdown with king magnifico (it’s night) where he tries to stop her and warn her not to but asha successes in granting all the wishes for only chaos and destruction to ensue everything gone the entire kingdom ash all the people are shocked as all the light is gone and it’s just an empty dark island magnifico then comes up and explains the consequences and what happened to his own child star boy then comes over and talks to asha telling her her oh can fix what she’s done but he will have to return to the stars that’s the consequence she understands a heart felt moment as star boy and asha kiss and star boy walks over and uses his power to restore the kingdom a happy ending ensues where wish granting no longer exists there’s still magic but it’s more of the basic type magnifico remains king and asha remains as the apprentice but asha and magnifico have a father daughter relationship asha never will forget her star crossed lover boy and the people of rosa’s learn to make their wishes come true by them selves including her grandfather the end is happy but slightly bittersweet as asha no longer has her star boy lover that being the consequences of her actions and obviously star boy doesn’t die cause it’s disney he just must go back to the stars instead of staying with asha in rosas (they could of had her freinds be side characters and maybe also warn her in the beginning so at the end when rosas is ash they all just look at her disappointed and with sadness and the queen though she was an interesting character could have been more of a side character maybe having a talk with asha about why magnifico doesn’t grant all the wishes and tries to explain what happened with the kid before she runs off but asha too anger and annoyed runs off without listening) (disclaimer i haven’t watched the movie only some review videos) but yeah that’s my personal take on it there’s lots of concepts and other things that would of worked way better than what we got wish feels like a cool concept where someone came up with the idea wrote it into chat GPT and told it to make a movie (also i’m only thirteen so don’t come for me cause of my opinion 😭)
Same. I stayed up all night after the movie, rewriting it in my head. If I were to summarize my reinterpretation - I like Magnifico being the villain, so in my version, he's more blatantly narcissistic and condescending. From his first appearance you can see how self absorbed he is. His story is overblown , his ego is overblown. He truly embellished himself as the savior of his kingdom, but does not take criticism well as he cannot perceive himself being in the wrong (that's where Asha comes in). Not to mention is wife is his partner in crime in this version (being the evil queen to Magnifico's magic mirror), being as vain as he is. They are perfect for each other. The truth is - he does not truly care about his people or their wishes. He might have once, but now he cares only about the attention and praise they shower him by proxy. Without it, he's nothing. A mirror is just a shard of useless glass if nobody is looking at it. Not to mention I made Asha the the king and queen's daughter, justifying her insider knowledge, saving on characters (mainly the mom and the dead dad), and adding further drama and conflict to the story :)
“Be careful what you wish for” is never brought up for a second, the movie says that having a wish is the best and most magical thing in the world, and the conflict starts because the one person who can magically grant your deepest desire without question isn’t granting more wishes sooner
Magnifico was defeated by a song. A. SONG. How effing LAME can you go with a villain? Man, that poor guy's gonna be the laughingstock of the villains pantheon for centuries to come!
I am going to try and go through all the nonsense of this film, and show why the King is a Tragic Hero, Asha a mere *fool,* and the queen a monstrous hypocrite. I. In the opening sequence, when Asha tells the story of the Kingdom (which will prove that she already knows that not all wishes are granted *before* her interview with the King), she says: '[The King] studied the magic of the world tirelessly and became a mighty sorcerer able to protect from harm or ill will, any wish given to him. And for the good and the worthy, even grant that wish.' The latter sentence implies that even though he accepts any one to live in his orderly Kingdom, he is the one who decides who is good and worthy. The former sentence proves that the only thing he promises to his people is to keep their wishes safe. II. Asha is the immature and impulsive protagonist of the story. She wants to become King Magnifico's apprentice ONLY to ask him to grant her grandfather's wish. Before her interview with Magnifico, Gabo implies that she only wants to be the King's apprentice because apprentices and their families more often than not have their wishes granted sooner than other people; Asha does not rebuke him (cheers to our dishonest 'heroine'!). The stupid thing is, it is later stated that only the King is allowed to use magic in his Kingdom; for what does he need an apprentice, then? ('How do you enjoy your script, sir?' 'Half-baked, please.') III. When she is cringely shocked by the King because he does not grant all wishes (which she already knew), she stupidly says, in order to move the plot forward even though it should have been expanded upon, that the people of Rosas are good, as if the audience should accept that unconvincing statement without proof from a dishonest and hypocritical seventeen year-old girl, who is going to also become a thief later on haha The people gave their wishes to the King willingly Asha, taking them away from him without his consent *is* stealing! My apologies, I digress, I know, it is not her fault if she is a plot device personified: it is that of the incompetent screenwriters. IV. The King is more heroic than Asha and he has such an unfair fate in the end. He starts using 'forbidden magic' (what an inspired plot device!) in order to protect his Kingdom and he cannot be saved from this dark magic because... the 'evil' book says so! Lazy writing! The worst part is, when he ends up being trapped in the mirror, he seems to be his normal self again, and the queen (his wife!) does not care at all! Let us punish the man who wants to protect the Kingdom he worked hard to build because he *wished* to keep people safe! They introduce us to the idea that all living things are connected to one another, and they do not redeem the King? It was the perfect opportunity, Disney! V. The queen is the real villain of the story, she switches sides instead of trying to save her husband and feels no compassion towards him. She clearly knew how her husband ran his Kingdom and did not mind one bit until Asha started being a threat to Magnifico. She is nothing but a hypocritical opportunist. She turned on him the second he made a bad choice. She is the most pathetic character ever written in a Disney film. VI. The people of Magnifico are so 'empty' without their wishes that they live happily without them--except for Simon who is sooo tired because he gave it away. If they can live happily without their desires, it is all that matters. From the King's perspective (and I mostly agree with him) wishes are burdens. When they give their wish *willingly* to Magnifico, they feel exhausted at first because of the burden that has been lifted off their shoulders, but once they get used to being free of it, they can be truly happy, whether the King grants them their heart's desire or not. He gives them the ability to let go, which most people are not willing to do, as if true happiness could exist while holding on to things like an old miser hoards his money because he unknowingly lives in fear of poverty and cannot/will not loosen his grip on that fear, and therefore contributes to his own unhappiness. Magnifico gives his people true freedom *for free* and they still find cause to complain? VII. When the star-full but heartless people of Rosas sing together, it unites their souls together, and allows them to defeat Magnifico. But most of them have given their wish to him, have they not? What do I mean by that? If wishes were that important, the persons who had given them away would never have been powerful enough to defeat the King. Which means that they already have all they need inside of them: wishes are a plus, not a necessity to happiness or strength. VIII. In the end, Star who does not grant wishes, but can only make non-human living things talk (silly plot device again, I have lost count), gives Asha a wand, to use magic, which unlike the King, is given to her, whereas Magnifico worked hard to achieve that in order to protect people. But now, the simple-minded girl with no heart and not wits, who ruined the life of a *good* man and kept prattling on about the fact that people had to make their dreams come true by themselves, will become a fairy godmother who grants wishes! May the gods help whoever crosses her path. The last thing I would like to point out is that people's wishes change over the course of their lives, this is why a wish or a desire cannot define some one, because if it it did and was truly a part of one's soul, it would be immutable. Wishes are a plus, not who a person truly is. To conclude, the story has not been thought through, Disney has no respect for their audience. The dialogues are plot-driven, almost none of them allows the characters to be developed in a satisfying manner. But of one thing, I am sure: The queen is an awful character; she deserves the same sympathy she showed the King when he most needed her. The King is not a villain, Asha is not a hero. Magnifico is a Tragic Hero, Asha is nothing but ashen stardust.
A lot of good points you’ve made! Magnifico deserved better. HE was the one trying to protect his kingdom, and Asha was the one being stupid and irresponsible by stealing the wishes that were given to him! The Queen switching sides when she sees that her husband isn’t perfect is horrible. No sympathy or any show of emotion, she’s just okay with it.
@@nevaehhamilton3493 No, it is not a copypasta, I simply commented it on other videos, I confess 😅 I had never done this before, this film frustrated me so much haha
It’s like: Magnifico is too complex to be a classic Disney villain, the people of Rosas aren’t suffering enough for him to be an evil tyrant and his backstory or reasoning isn’t fleshed out enough to make him a compelling tragic villain. He just seems like he was kind of dick, who could probably be reasoned with and just had to apologise to Asha for being rude, then dime-flipped into irredeemable evil villain with barely any goal.
5:43-5:52, that idea reminds me of a Teen Titans episode called "Spellbound" where Raven develops a bond with this sorcerer, who *SPOILERS* we at first think is named Malchior, trapped inside a book after facing off against a dragon, who we at first think is named Rorek, and she's encouraged to learn these spells that sets him free, but it turns out it wasn't the sorcerer she was freeing from the book, but rather the dragon disguising himself as the sorcerer. The names were reversed, Rorek is actually the sorcerer and Malchior the dragon, in order to trick/gaslight Raven into accidentally summoning an evil monster on to the world. I think something along those lines would've been a more interesting way to preserve elements of the tragic backstory while still keeping Magnifico a "muhahahaha" villain.
Maybe have it be one of the old Disney villains trying to make a comeback…probably the evil queen since she was the first villain and it’s meant to be a celebration of Disney
Disney has become so confused they don't know the difference between good and evil anymore. Ever since "Frozen", which was a fluke. In that one they realized half way through that they didn't have a villain, so the prince suddenly became the villain.
Clearly King Magnifico was a case of PTSD pushed to the edge by a spoiled brat. All they had to do was show him the negative consequences of his good intentions.
9:48 ‘At All Costs’ was originally intended as a love song between Asha & Star Boy (Star’s original incarnation) but after the romance element was dropped from Asha’s (lacklustre) arc, it was rewritten as a duet between Asha & Magnifico & you can tell it wasn’t written with these 2 particular characters in mind.
You'd think the obvious solution to wanting magnifico to be a sympathetic misguided antagonist but also wanting a classic villain would be to make the queen the villain and mastrr manipulater usibg magnifico for her own power and then aim asha at him when people start rebelling.
That's... Honestly such a good idea, I never thought of that. It would also be a great callback to the original three Disney Princess villains also being female
And then the Queen aids Asha's coup, forgets about the Evil Book's possesion and what drove Magnifico to it, and afterwards, is the jailer of her very husband, now trapped in the staff (or dungeon?). The very same woman who escaped with him, helped him found a new kingdom and aid him in his reign. All it took was one missed step to do an 180° to the very same man you spent decades, effort and heart with. I literally wondered if this disney world is in the Realm of Darkness with such a woman, Ashe and general populace on the level of overgrown babies.
Something that I actually find interesting is during the song, At All Costs, Asha is trying to find her Saba(?)’s wish and sang to specifically that wish and pretty much ignored all the other wishes. But with Magnifico, he sings to *all* the wishes, he cares about all the wishes while Asha only cares about her Saba(?)’s wish. Just an interesting visual to me
I saw some videos on Wish and some comments on it and an idea, sounded intriguing. Have Magnifico, started like a snake-oil saleman, coning good folks, with Harmless, quick-fixes. One day, he finds the: " Evil book" , gets intrigued, test a potential spell, to interpret a wish, (his wish), but backfires , costing his village, but also, having a split personality, which, he thinks, is his mind opening, then, he gets island kingdom and the rest, follows the movie. I believe that , could, in my book, "could", make it stronger, The split personality, would not, absolve, Magnifico, completely of blame, but make the audience, feel for him more.
I never knew that Magnifico was protecting the wishes against being destroyed. That actually makes him even more noble than I thought. I thought he was meaninglessly keeping the wishes even though he didn't need them. The idea that someone's truest desire was unfulfilled and that caused them to go crazy, that suddenly makes everything about why he wipes away memories of wishes from people, why he keeps them safe and sound, so that they continue to have their motivation for life despite never knowing exactly what they're motivated for, if they knew their wish could never come true, it would break, possibly causing catastophy. Damn, every time I hear more about Magnifico, the more of a good guy he sounds like.
Can I just say ur first theory is literally what I suggest any time ppl discuss how to make the story of wish better. It would be sm better if magnifico was using the wishes to gain power, which ALSO gives him better motive to feel threatened by star, and would give him reason to want to capture star and STEAL ITS POWER
I like to point out that there was only person who seemed affected by losing their wish. The rest of the townspeople seemed fine and even happy about losing their wishes. So by most accounts, king Magnifico was doing a good thing taking away their wishes.
Another way is that they could have had it that the older he gets the weaker he becomes and he can’t really handle the wishes so he goes to the evil book to help him protect and grant wishes at the cost of slowly making him evil.
My favorite part is when he has EVERY right to fire the protagonist... He doesn't. He is perfectly alright with people challenging him and his methods. He is actually quite reasonable and knows to put his ego in check most of the time.
I would like to remember this film as Magnifico the good guy and those annoying kids and talking animals the bad guy and this is actually an origin story of a villain not a princess
He literally didn't kill anyone and only made people sad, the stakes were so low and yet he ended up with a fate worse than death, it was so bad. He was not a full-on evil, scary villain like scar or maleficent
Magnifico feels like an overprotective parent controlling their child's wishes & deciding their futures for their own good. This reminds me of that photographer guys dad from 3 Idiots. How he decides his son should be an engineer right from his birth, how he sacrifices so much to raise him to be capable of that, only to find out his son's wish is different, to become a photographer, a profession with a high rate for failure into mediocrity. Yet they resolved it & hugged it out in the end, it was so heart warming. While magnifico was dragged through the streets & butchered 😢
I heard that the duet between asha and magnifico was originally supposed to be a duet for starboy and asha before starboy got scrapped, so thats probably why it sounds romantic
@t1mburt0nsdandruff 1) Zootopia isn't a romantic film. Sure, you can ship Nick and Judy (I know I do) but that's not the point of the story at all. 2) Elemental deals with the topic of growing up in an immigrant family. Ember's family in particular is inspired by Asian culture, which makes sense because the director is Asian. Zootopia doesn't really deal with that topic and then closest we get is in Zootopia+, not even the movie. So no, Elemental isn't Zootopia with Elements. They're both different films dealing with different topics and themes in different ways.
4:32 When you start talking about how people can't be crushed if their wishes are taken away, it immediately reminded me of Raiden Ei's thinking when taking away people's visions in Genshin Impact
Interesting comparison! But i feel like the biggest difference that cant be ignored is that, unlike in genshin, in this story the people give up their wishes _willingly_ instrad of being hunted down for them, and the kingdom is... actually prosperous? Inazuma was in the absolute brink of collapse when we first get there bcs no one was really ruling it (I dont count the shogun puppet on autopilot as a ruler), the closest thing was the very corrupt tri-comission wich... yeah we saw how that was going...
It sounds like to me they wanted to write the book to be what the "one ring" in Tolkien's LOTR story did but didn't understand the subtle nuance of erosion that evil does to people. A gentle comforting and even empowering with the enticement of more if only the person tempted submits, granting a sense of security at the cost of everything that person held dear which takes time to happen and even longer when the person is wise as well as strong willed, yet humble. They didn't understand the Magnifico character they had built up well enough on a systemic level to understand how to slowly warp or erode his principles through the method of exploitng his flaws, fear, insecurities, and desires into a person who could no longer be recognized to be the same person but through meticulously laid out story beats comes across as believably tragic.
There is a character called kennit that proves that villains can be conplex and still evil hearted His goal was to be king of the pirates. He helps pirate cities and free slave ships but not because he cares about them. He does all of it because of childhood trauma and trying to correct his past. He is still evil but we get why he does it not from ideology but because of his trauma. It deep but still selfish.
@@madeleinedartois4689I think is when Pixar decides to take control over the movie, like: "ok I'm taking this movie and see how can we make it" If I'm wrong please correct me
@@madeleinedartois4689 oh, sorry, I never noticed I had a notification for this comment :o With Pixar treatment I meant that unlike Disney Pixar most of the time goes for the "want vs need" route. So the main character/s start out wanting something but learn on their journey that they actually needed something else to get their happy end. Like in Toys story, where Woody starts out insecure and jealous of Buzz because he feared getting replaced as Andy's favorite toy by a "cooler" toy. In the end he had to learn to find confidence in his love for his kid and that even if Andy prefers playing with a different toy, he will still always be the one with the special place in Andy's heart.
they couldve pushed a plot where magnifico has a wish that was never granted, his motive all along couldve been to harness all the power to grant his own wish, whatever that wish would be.. but that sounds better than him just being a villain so the story can go along ??
I feel like the money that went to this movie, went up someone's a*s I also miss the general evil villain. What happened to villains who are just plain evil? I love those types of sadistic and psychotic villains. Those guys are fun to create for me.
It would've been interesting if Magnifico and Asha switched roles. Like Asha turned out to be the villain and him the hero in the end. Don't know how that would be written, but it would be slightly more interesting than what actually happened.
Well, if you want to know how that would play out, have I got the thing for you. Look up Twisted: The tale of the royal vazier. It’s a play where Jafar is the main character and Aladdin is the real villain in a parody of the original Aladdin movie
LydiatheBard has a cover of This Wish. It's rewitten into Asha's villain song, and her take on the characters is certainly more interesting than what we got
Have you ever considered that there are numerous myths, legends, and tales throughout history that warn about "be careful what you wish for", and that some of these wishes, one of which we literally see is someone conquering new lands, are very harmful for society as a whole? I mean Bruce Almighty shows what happens when you just give away wishes freely. All hell breaks loose.
The core Issue with Magnifico is that wether or not you agree with him holding onto wishes he can't grant ... he's otherwise basically a saint. Like the movie tries to fault him for choosing which wishes to grant but he's totally right in doing so as granting every wish is reckless and stupid. Even him holding onto ungranted wishes, while wrong, is understandable. he believes people are better off not remembering dreams that won't come true and ... some people would probably agree with that. I'm not saying it's ultimately right for him to do so, especially without being transparent about it, but it's at least understandable ... and this is the single "wrong" thing he does before the book turns him evil. Disney proved with this movie that it's talent is gone, or at least what talent they do have is powerless to do anything against incompetent leadership. Because the origional script for the movie sounds amazing with the king and queen being evil and the star being a star prince who is the heroine's love interest ... so much of the origional script sounds good and it ALL got scrapped.
I think Disney should have made Magnifico a feared and reviled evil sorcerer from the start, like Maleficent or the Horned King, if they really wanted the unambiguously evil villain. I feel like Magnifico was originally written as a misguided anti-hero like Abeula Madrigal from Encanto or Namaari from Raya before they clumsily rewrote him to be worse. Even if it's a little trite by this point, the anti-hero plot honestly wouldn't have been that bad either, but they need to pick a plot and stick with it. Sidebar: if Disney wants a second attempt at a traditional villain, they should try to get Jeremy Irons back for another villain role. It'll be so epic.
I really thought the destroyed kingdom was going to come back later. Like we see the full tapestry and it turns out that Magnifico destroyed his own kingdom for some wish-related reason, like he wished his kingdom would be happy and then they all died in a fire because they were too happy to run from it - something that makes us understand where he was coming from. But no, the movie just drops the whole idea. That tapestry might as well have been fully burnt for all the good it did the story.
I mentioned this on Twitter, but Magnifico reminds me of Tony Stark in Age of Ultron. In both cases, Tony and Magnifico are traumatized by something huge and deadly that they vow never to let happen again, but in their desperation to keep people safe, create something that gets too big for them to handle and it gets out of control. Tony was never bad for creating Ultron, and Magnifico was never bad for keeping people's wishes. But both plans were misguided and ended up doing more harm than good in the end.
They could have made Asha the villain of the story and follows her redemption. It's a bit rarer to see a good "villain to good guy" movie, even rarer in animated form. Magnifico could just have been the good guy this whole time with Asha fighting against him and gaining the life lesson that not all wants are good and not all wishes are safe. Magnifico doesn't even have a motivation to be evil. He created a city for people and he's beloved by all. His reasoning isn't even flawed. He said the wish was too vague, which is true. He does nothing really wrong, aside from being suddenly possessed by a book. They completely screwed up what could have been a great story.
Honestly, this villain is a perfect example of something I've been noticing with an increasing number of writers lately. No idea if there is a term for it but it's kind of a morality reversal. A writer who is a bad person will tend to write a hero and call them villain, and write villains and call them heroes. The heroes will embody the negative traits that the writer has internalized, while the villain will embody the positive traits that the writer despises. Why is Magnifico a villain? What is villainous about his true self? What does he do? He is an authority figure who exercises discretion and caution. A person who explains to you why something is dangerous or potentially a bad idea, and puts his foot down for your own good. Why is Asha a hero? What is heroic about her? She decides she wants something, and goes to any length to get it. She ignores words of caution, throws away opportunities to better herself and takes a shortcut to great power in order to achieve her goal. What I see when I look at the conflict between Magnifico and Asha is not a hero and villain clashing. What I see is a protective father and a spoiled daughter fighting. The writers are immature, petulant, and spoiled, and what they see more than anything as true villainy is the father figure that may have stood in their way of getting whatever they wanted as a teenager. They haven't matured and grown as people enough yet to understand that sometimes, you need to be told no.
"I want to see how they innovate" That's the problem right there. Disney used to be a pioneer of animation, really pushing the medium to tell wonderful stories that could be enjoyed by the entire family. Now it's a matter of "how do we keep making money?" And it's really sad. I'm sure Walt's rolling in his cryogenic box.
Apparently the animators were given a very short time period to finish this film, 3 months I believe. That is equivalent to a university semester, on top of that, the studio drove out the Disney veterans who have the skills and experience of film making that could have taught these new animators how to create a film with quality. So really this film is the work equivalent of a student project, which is good for a student project, but it’s not, it’s Disney, the peak of high quality expectations for animation. There’s so many issues going on with the corporate at the moment, the main one is their activism has pushed away a lot of the workers who contributed to bringing in the artistic and creative side to the company. It’s why the corporation is a shell at this point, hollow with the dead expression of Mickey Mouse that is disturbing and it’s driving a lot of the fans away. The fans were loyal to Walt and his vision of entertainment, the respect of the past yet the optimism of the future, to push skills and talents to another level, to innovate solutions to help the broad community. That is not what the mindset of the Disney corporation is, and people refuse to have any more patience for the company to redeem itself.
This movie has so much squandered potential. Magnifico is said to be protecting the kingdom and making it prosperous but we don't see any of that. He should be diverting storms, repelling pirates (it's an island), and creating rain for crops. It's an interesting idea to have a kingdom where 4 of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs are fulfilled if you give up on the 5th. That's a real philosophical dilemma. What if people want to leave the kingdom permanently? Do they get their wish back? What if a person dies? Does their wish disappear or does it remain because of Magnifico's protection? What if instead of threatening Asha's Mother's wish, he had her late father's? The last remaining part of him remained and is now in danger. That would give Asha some believable motivation! Cool, you've gotten your self actualization back or whatever. You drove your magical protector crazy and banished him to the shadow realm, the kingdom is kinda screwed now right? The Queen isn't magical and Asha still sucks at magic (If she even has any), enjoy the invading forces, hurricanes, and drought. Was getting your groove back worth what it cost? For a movie supposedly about wishes, it says nothing about them. Are bad wishes a thing? What if someone wishes harm or death on someone else? What if someone's wish directly contradicts someone else's wish? Which one takes priority? Asha's always right so no reason for her to wrestle with hard questions or moral ambiguity. Everyone's wish MUST be granted! Oh, and Grandpa should have used his mandolin to rally the townspeople at the end, thereby confirming Magnifico's fears about his wish. Instead of being dead weight that the Queen needed to jump into danger herself to protect.
Imagine if that book contained Chernabog from Fantasia. The movie could be about how Magnifico and his wife get possessed but eventually at the end of everything and with the help of the kingdom and Star they are able to fend off the possession meaning we could have actually interesting character arcs for Magnifico and his wife and an actual classic Disney villain in Chernabog
I feel i would have been better to make him a Wizard of Oz type situation where he doesn't have the power to grant wishes and just fools the kingdom for power and he feels his power is threatened by the mc finding actual magic and so he wants real power to claim for himself. Or keep him the guy he is BUT have his wife be the ear worm true villian that is the voice that leads him to twisting his perspective and making him into the bad guy. 🤔
That was one of my theories for the movie going in, that King Magnifico was not actually made of magic but was a Wizard of Oz-style charlatan who fooled people into thinking he was so that when Asha summons the cute, little Luma star, or actual magic, the king now has a real reason to feel threatened, arrest/execute Asha and steal the star's magic for his own nefarious ends.
I can see the queen subtly manipulating Magnifico into thinking there's nothing wrong about extracting wishes with magic, making him increasingly arrogant and selfish, and luring him into opening the book so there's a reason to get rid of him, so then she can play victim and join Asha's side to overthrow his husband so she can become the sole ruler of the land, and the movie itself already shows she has a way to consult the book without getting corrupt by its magic, and she very easily moved on from the fact her so called "beloved husband" turned bad by outside forces and was trapped, and gave up pretty quickly on that, despite the movie itself proving the magic of the stars is far superior than Magnifico's and the book's combined and at their apex, so if she couldn't is because she didn't even try to wish for his freedom, and heck, maybe she was just checking if he could escape on his own and potentially ruin her plans should she finds out what she did, with the book telling her to relax because he can't If you tell me she was the real villain of the story and used everyone to reach her goal, I would believe it, and heck, would be first time a villain wins in a Disney film I think
9:50 i really think it was a story about him being the supervillain then changed to be a hero but then twisted to meet the narration of the current Disney
So Magnifico grants wishes and gets power from them...that is Maxwell Lord from Wonder Woman 1984, so Disney ripped off a villain, yet the Disney villain is inferior...sounds about right
A villian couple could have been so fun!!! I wondered if they decided against this cause they didn't want a female villian or something. Which would be stupid. They apparently were also gonna have the protagonist have a love interest,which is something I kind of miss in Disney movies
In the end this is just a Disney film for the 100th anniversary. With a poor script, and too many Easter eggs that make it feel like they reckon a lot of the previous animated Disney films like Asher, becoming the fairy godmother, her goat being the founder of Zootopia and now magnifico being the mirror
This could've ushered in a Disney age of new types of villains: not twist villains, but not 100% evil, either. More nuanced and complex, not entirely wrong or devoid of morals.
This is the 100th anniversary movie? Well. 100 years of disney and what they do to celebrate it is the most wasted amount of potential and money disney has ever did.
The worst part is, they COULD HAVE MADE IT WORK. If they had done a better job with the execution, Magnifico's overly extreme excuse for denying Asha's grandpa's wish could have still worked, if they had _emphasized the paranoia._ "Inspire people with his music? Inspire them to do what...? Its too _vague..._ What if his wish is to inspire the people to revolt? To rise up and start a revolution against Rosas!? To try and take back their wishes!? It would lead to anarchy!" (his voice slowly shifting to panic). "No, no! He's a good man, he would never do that!" "BUT HOW COULD I BE SURE?" (he snaps before regaining his composure a bit) "No! Its too risky, I cannot grant this wish..." (he turns away from Asha before quietly continuing) "I cannot risk the safety of this kingdom... I refuse to lose what I've worked so hard to maintain."
from the snippets I've heard about Magnifico, I'm just reminded of a villain from RWBY named general Ironwood basically, he had the building blocks to become a fantastic hero turned villain - a morally gray and tragic character however, the show's insistence on the main characters being right even with opposing his reasonable requests, it then fumbles Ironwood's supposedly slow transition from being morally questionable but reasonable to full on complete evil villain there's videos on him if anyone is interested, point is the inability to choose between charismatic completely evil villain and morally complex villain really hurts Wish's story too
Disney wants us to believe Asha is the hero & King Magnifico is the villain but when you think about it, their "hero" is the REAL villain and their "villain" is the REAL hero.
Even if we agree that Magnifico is wrong for holding wishes, _it's his kingdom._ People travel there to live there for free and be taken care of. I don't even think they _have to_ give up their wish on their 18th birthday, just that they can in order for it to be granted. That doesn't sound villainous at all. Even if the payment for living there for free and have all your needs taken care of was the price of your deepest wish, that still wouldn't be villainous. Magnifico isn't holding people there against their will. People know the deal. This is kinda the a "Happiness isn't enough. I demand euphoria"-type of story. Hell, the movie doesn't even adhere to its own story since Asha supposedly becomes the fairy godmother and grants other people's wishes, but is she granting everyone's wishes? Where is she in every other Disney movie granting their wishes? She's basically just Magnifico again where she is choosing whose wish to grant, and so far the only one she's granted is Cinderella's and Pinocchio's, maybe--if we're supposed to believe the fairy godmother in both are the same person.
Even in Disney movies the main character has to struggle, change, or be really noble in order for their wish to be granted. Cinderella was kind to her animal friends and protected them from harm. Pinocchio has to go on a journey and face peril to get his wish. In Disney cannon wishes were never free and took effort from the protagonist
This is like The Lorax problem. In the original book and the first adaptation, The Onceler was evil, and he knew what he was doing was wrong. Yet he kept going and was only sorry for his actions once it was too late. In the 2012 Illumination adaptation, however, The Onceler doesn't even know what he is doing is bad. At the beginning, he doesn't even feel like a villian. Just a guy who wants success. And when he does become "evil", he doesn't actually become evil. He is just blinded and doesn't know what's going on around him. And Magnifico is also similiar to that, except he feels very, very slightly closer to the evil side in my opinion.
What if Magnifico’s village was actually destroyed…by a bad wish?
That’d be so wild if only we got literally any backstory from him that wasn’t paper thin 🤧🤧
Magnifico should be the FIRST KING of the Disney. He could switch from granting the wishes to giving people the opportunity to see their true talent. Through the series of plot maneuvers of course.
You put more thought into this sentence than the screenwriters did for this whole movie
Could be, but i think a good scenario that a young magnifco who is getting the kinks of his magic suppose disregards the dangers of granting vague wishes. A serious disaster that almost destroyed the kingdom that traumatized him again. Teaching him the harsh lesson of being careful what you wish for, which could also explain why he is very strict on granting wishes in the later years
@@isaacvitela5131 Exactly. For example, what if once upon a time, he was a genuinely benevolent wish-granter who made wishes willy-nilly wherever he went until one day he granted a seemingly harmless gift only for that person to use their wish to cause chaos and havoc destroying Magnifico's home which forced him and Amaya to flee. This leads to him becoming disillusioned by wishes period and can only see selfishness and malice in them, and now he takes them away so people can never achieve their dreams thus never causing something like that again. This is what causes conflict with Asha since while she can acknowledge some wishes are selfish, taking them from people and never even giving them the chance to fulfill them themselves is equally wrong and selfish. Then when Star comes into the picture and starts granting wishes, Magnifico is driven by trauma and fear of losing his power to open the Book of Forbidden Magic to try and keep his 'perfect' society safe only for him to become the same monster that originally destroyed his home.
However, what makes him a villain is that he never changes, even after he's defeated he still thinks he did the right thing and curses Asha for destroying his perfect kingdom, never realizing that had he actually dealt with his trauma and tried to deal with it maturely instead of only seeing the worst in others, maybe it would've never have come to this point.
You could easily make this film a *Greek Tragedy* simply by making Magnifico the Protagonist, a good king who's ultimately undone by the very flaws he fails to overcome
i agree
I could not agree more with you!
@@DylanM379 i think another cool concept would be a twist villian and twist hero asha being an accidental villian and magnifico being right the whole time and asha being driven by a bit of selfishness starting off they could of had asha be an already be the apprentice of magnifico starting off the movie and that they had a father daughter relationship due to the fact asha has no father and magnifico kid died when the kingdom was first founded due to granting a vague wish and that’s why he won’t grant asha’s grandfathers wish but obviously at the moment asha doesn’t know about magnificos kid i think if they made star and went with the star boy lover shapeshifter concept and after asha ran off they could of had star boy give asha magic and how to grant wishes and teach her how to use it falling in love with her as he teaches her though she doesn’t tell him what she plans to do with it fully she just says i want to be able to grant wishes then after a while it’s clear they both admit their feeling for each other and then asha decides to return to the kingdom to grant all the wishes and star boy argues and warns her not to telling her about how it could have consequences asha however doesn’t listen and returns to the kingdom where she has a showdown with king magnifico (it’s night) where he tries to stop her and warn her not to but asha successes in granting all the wishes for only chaos and destruction to ensue everything gone the entire kingdom ash all the people are shocked as all the light is gone and it’s just an empty dark island magnifico then comes up and explains the consequences and what happened to his own child star boy then comes over and talks to asha telling her her oh can fix what she’s done but he will have to return to the stars that’s the consequence she understands a heart felt moment as star boy and asha kiss and star boy walks over and uses his power to restore the kingdom a happy ending ensues where wish granting no longer exists there’s still magic but it’s more of the basic type magnifico remains king and asha remains as the apprentice but asha and magnifico have a father daughter relationship asha never will forget her star crossed lover boy and the people of rosa’s learn to make their wishes come true by them selves including her grandfather the end is happy but slightly bittersweet as asha no longer has her star boy lover that being the consequences of her actions and obviously star boy doesn’t die cause it’s disney he just must go back to the stars instead of staying with asha in rosas (they could of had her freinds be side characters and maybe also warn her in the beginning so at the end when rosas is ash they all just look at her disappointed and with sadness and the queen though she was an interesting character could have been more of a side character maybe having a talk with asha about why magnifico doesn’t grant all the wishes and tries to explain what happened with the kid before she runs off but asha too anger and annoyed runs off without listening) (disclaimer i haven’t watched the movie only some review videos) but yeah that’s my personal take on it there’s lots of concepts and other things that would of worked way better than what we got wish feels like a cool concept where someone came up with the idea wrote it into chat GPT and told it to make a movie (also i’m only thirteen so don’t come for me cause of my opinion 😭)
@@robotflower11 Your version makes more sense than Disney's haha You are talented, you should write stories of your own. :)
@@DylanM379 haha thanks
Where I thought they were going with Magnifico was that Magnifico’s wife was actually HIS WISH.
That he wished to fall in love with a princess only for said magical construct to need more wishes to continue to exist. Hence why he was stockpiling wishes. To keep his wife alive hence why she looks the same in the book while he had aged. I kinda assumed this off of nothing, besides the Wife’s delivery was just kinda the good wife and placid I thought they HAD to be setting up a reveal that would tie into his tragic backstory.
That would’ve been SO much better.
Oh my god, that hypothetical plot twist :0
That actually sounds so much better and imagine the ending of all the wishes being freed and then the wife fading away
This was also my thought. Either that or she was going to betray him
You could also have it be that his wife died and his wish was to bring her back and at the end has to come to terms with her death with a last embrace between the two
It's kinda ironic how Disney tried very hard to make King Magnifico an irredimibile but hilarious kind of villain like Big Jack Horner or Bill Cipher and yet, in the end, they just failed very hard.
At least they tried
Did they really?
They should have just given us a TRULY IRREDEEMABLE VILLAIN, not some half-assed "villain" who cant even be bothered to be consistent.
Bill Cipher, Bill Sykes? What's the difference
Yup, it's like he will be grounded in his amulet for few months, and he will be free after taking his lesson like a naughty boi.
He's evil enough.... BeInG a WhITe MaN!! :some random terminally online Twitter user
" _Undercooked yet overcooked..._ "
I came up with similar feeling on several other of Disney's recent failures.
So the villain was microwaved 😂
@@Guy-cb1ohquickly made and low quality, a perfect analogy.
Burnt on the outside frozen in the center
A charred mess on the outside while being a raw mess on the inside.
Ms. Mush from Sidways Stories from Wayside School
Original pitch from creative team: Humanoid shapeshifting star; fully 2d-rendered characters; truly villainous duo; death of a protagonist's family member that would add to the story progression. Corporate decision: Marketable plushie material star that literally does nothing apart from being cute, under-rendered 3d characters to emulate 2d style, underdeveloped villain, and lots and lots of unnecessary easter eggs. Yep, corporate meddling kills creativity.
They wanted to make an evil villain with sympathetic background and that's where they went wrong.
You want the villain to be evil but also sympathetic, that doesn't work.
In today's cinema anti-heroes are doing better job at being villain than hero. Should hv copy pasted them 😂
@@Vor567tez so... Doesn't it make them an anti-villians then?
@@no-go7422lol
@@Vor567tezhis characterization is a walking contradiction. Two types of villains smooched into one in unholy fusion, only leaving behind a confused mess, and a divided audience about how he should've really been portrayed.
Imagine how hard a Disney villain duet would have gone
Yeah I wanted the Wife to also be a villain
With the songwriters they chose for the film, even that couldn't have saved the music from sucking major taint. It was dead in the water
@@robinleedy7828that was the original intent and what sketches we have to look at are MUCH cooler than the way they chose to go...
Imagine it as a tango. (Chef's kiss)
@greenstarlover1 or Sondheim..like Try a Little Priest
Honestly, the movie could've kept Magnifico as an antagonist, but give a face to past trauma and make that the classic evil villain. Have him still be flawed, but have it that Asha fucked up and brought the evil to their doorstep in her haste to grant too many wishes.
She could learn from her mistakes and come to an understanding with Magnifico, while also helping him overcome his trauma so he could see the bigger picture.
They could've still had their cake, and eaten it, too, but that would require more complex writing and probably a movie longer than 90ish minutes.
That completely misses the point of the wishes. Part of the whole thing is that he doesn't just "Genie Wish" grant them. It was something they are largely already capable of, will do on their own/ with the support of the community, and Magnifico isn't actually giving them ANYTHING.
When he turns bro into a Super Cop, all he gave him was some armor and a sword. He did everything else. Dress Lady just got given a pair of scissors and him telling the whole community "she's making all the best dresses!". Of course her store is going to boom.
There simply is no way that Asha could grant "too many wishes" because the wishes are all up to the individual in the first place! That's why he can't "grant" grandpa's wish, because Magnifico wouldn't have control of what kind of inspiration it would be. If he was the one magically making the wish come true, why not? If the wishes had no power outside of his magic, why hoard the ones he never intends to grant in the first place?
@@hartthorn The problem is that some wishes are ridiculous and the very people themselves thought they weren't capable of achieving them... that's why they gave the wishes, willingly, to Magnifico. He clearly didn't know how it affected the people.
Even then, with the knight wish...why would Rosas need a knight if an all powerful wizard has protected the kingdom for decades? Would he be satisfied just being a knight, in a kingdom that doesn't need any? Or would he put himself in danger to validate his wish? Could that danger be somehow brought back to Rosas?
Like I said, this is complicated. In no way did I say that Magnifico was completely in the right. He also needs to learn a lesson from this. The movie just fucked up the writing so bad that anything after he gets corrupted is pointless to discuss. You're right, why did he horde all the wishes? He gained nothing from having them.
It's bad writing. No need to justify the movie's plot.
If Treasure Planet managed to do it in 95 minutes, so Wish can, too
@@victoriaescobedo5458 True, but I'm talking about adding in a main villain while still keeping Magnifico as an antagonist. Like with Miguel and Spot in ATSV.
@@blackmanwithcomputer He didn't make a knight. He made a cop. Because he needed to police his citizens. Because they started questioning his authority.
And half the time they don't even KNOW their wish. They had barely formed the concept before they gave Magnifico the existential form of their ambition.
Magnifico absolutely knew what it did, because he was absolutely adamant about never giving them back. Because he was as much threatened by someone achieving their own wish outside of his regime. That's why he's so bent out of shape that another person would even TRY to do magic on his land, something he straight up OUTLAWED. Why would that even be outlawed, if not to preserve his powerbase.
Wish will go down as a tragic disney film, such a wasted potential.
And the fact that its Disneys first animated film with a ROTTEN rating on Rotten Tomatoes in almost 20 yrs is even more depressing.
It's even MORE more depressing... this is Disney's celebration of their 100th year
@@LycheePunchHere’s hoping the next 100 anniversaries in the future will prove better.
@@geoffreyrichards6079If thry even survive that long
@@geoffreyrichards6079looking at how things are going, I don’t think Disney has another 100 years
@@UnidentifiedFlyingSquirrel Nah. They’re way too big of a brand to just up and disappear by this point.
I hated how they treated King’s fall the most. He was respective to his partner for all we’ve seen, he listened to her, treated her as a valued person in the time when he went crazy, accepting her into his corrupted mindset like was supposed to be there. But in the snap of fingers she suddenly sees how blind she was, no love left. I was so much expecting ‘true love kiss’ moment! But no, nothing like that happened. I can understand that, alright, the book corrupted him with no way back, he hurt the queen and his people, and alriiight maaay beeee his villain deeds are soooo great that he deserves punishment… But he was ok person before he opened the evil book. It is a tragedy that a person got corrupted by the even spell. It should be treated as a tragedy! He was a good king all these years, but then they just mocked him and sent to dungeon. Lovely outcome for the person lost. The morals of the tale: you make one mistake and your loved ones will abandon you in the dungeon. Sweet
To be fair, this is how life really is.
@thepsychicspoon5984 no. In my experience. You have to duck up royally to get dumped. He by fairy tale standards slightly missepped. No-one even died or got cursed.
@@ekaterinar.7677 Not really for todays society. It doesn't take much to get dumped. Hell, you don't even have to do anything wrong at all. You can do everything right, but if you have a little mishap. Lose your job, health starts failing, your finances are not to her liking, or maybe a guy with a higher status comes along. People are only as loyal as their options. I know too many families that got broken up because the husband got cancer.
Life is not a fairy-tale. Life is dog eat dog, especially if you live in the US, where money is god.
They could have used a wish to restore him.
Ugh, yes! In the end, the evil was removed from him. He was his normal self, which was NOT a villain. This could have been a great moment of showing how to forgive someone gone down the wrong road, like someone with an addiction.
they straight up made an evil villain without knowing how to do an evil villain. Or maybe even without wanting to. I would enjoy Magnifico more if he was actually less evil, but just a straight up omnipotent overseer judge of humanity, while still being human. Seeing how wishes can lead to disaster due to his own experiences and trauma, that he never trusts another human being to be the judge of what wishes could be granted.
Underneath the facade of the great Magnifico, is a person that has little to no passion for other people and is more so a hermit from other people. A bitter outcast. It would be a good deep twist of the classic Disney villain, they start off powerful and able to do good with their power. But their experiences with other people makes them be filled with stressful and negative thoughts.
Maybe the story could be less people should have their wishes come true, and something more deep like humans should have the love, trust, and support to reach accomplish their dreams.
That sounds great....and also too complex for the Disney brand lol. Across the Spider-Verse can have an antagonist like Miguel, but Disney seems petrified at the thought of challenging the audience.
@@blackmanwithcomputertrue. I wish it was complex like that.
@@blackmanwithcomputer It's not even a direct challenge, it's just a more deep character focused storyline more than it having one single moral or theme XD Then again, my taste in storytelling in Japanese roleplaying games like Persona. Because it focuses on the complications and multiple facets of human beings.
Disney can do multiple facet characters like Moon Knight, but I guess the disney kids movie brand is worth sacrificing character and story depth rip XP
@@heroicgangster9981 True, I prefer Japanese animation when it comes to storytelling myself.
The Disney kid brand just isn't an excuse anymore tho. That's why I brought up Spider-Man: a mainstream character loved by children all over the world as the most popular superhero by far. If fucking Sony can allow their artists to construct a movie that pits 2 flawed heroes, with different ideals, against each other in such a brutal manner....then Disney can tell a more complex story.
Puss in Boots 2 exists ffs! A movie that had its main character be wrong and learn from it.
i think another cool concept would be a twist villian and twist hero asha being an accidental villian and magnifico being right the whole time and asha being driven by a bit of selfishness starting off they could of had asha be an already be the apprentice of magnifico starting off the movie and that they had a father daughter relationship due to the fact asha has no father and magnifico kid died when the kingdom was first founded due to granting a vague wish and that’s why he won’t grant asha’s grandfathers wish but obviously at the moment asha doesn’t know about magnificos kid i think if they made star and went with the star boy lover shapeshifter concept and after asha ran off they could of had star boy give asha magic and how to grant wishes and teach her how to use it falling in love with her as he teaches her though she doesn’t tell him what she plans to do with it fully she just says i want to be able to grant wishes then after a while it’s clear they both admit their feeling for each other and then asha decides to return to the kingdom to grant all the wishes and star boy argues and warns her not to telling her about how it could have consequences asha however doesn’t listen and returns to the kingdom where she has a showdown with king magnifico (it’s night) where he tries to stop her and warn her not to but asha successes in granting all the wishes for only chaos and destruction to ensue everything gone the entire kingdom ash all the people are shocked as all the light is gone and it’s just an empty dark island magnifico then comes up and explains the consequences and what happened to his own child star boy then comes over and talks to asha telling her her oh can fix what she’s done but he will have to return to the stars that’s the consequence she understands a heart felt moment as star boy and asha kiss and star boy walks over and uses his power to restore the kingdom a happy ending ensues where wish granting no longer exists there’s still magic but it’s more of the basic type magnifico remains king and asha remains as the apprentice but asha and magnifico have a father daughter relationship asha never will forget her star crossed lover boy and the people of rosa’s learn to make their wishes come true by them selves including her grandfather the end is happy but slightly bittersweet as asha no longer has her star boy lover that being the consequences of her actions and obviously star boy doesn’t die cause it’s disney he just must go back to the stars instead of staying with asha in rosas (they could of had her freinds be side characters and maybe also warn her in the beginning so at the end when rosas is ash they all just look at her disappointed and with sadness and the queen though she was an interesting character could have been more of a side character maybe having a talk with asha about why magnifico doesn’t grant all the wishes and tries to explain what happened with the kid before she runs off but asha too anger and annoyed runs off without listening) (disclaimer i haven’t watched the movie only some review videos) but yeah that’s my personal take on it there’s lots of concepts and other things that would of worked way better than what we got wish feels like a cool concept where someone came up with the idea wrote it into chat GPT and told it to make a movie (also i’m only thirteen so don’t come for me cause of my opinion 😭)
My biggest Marvel pet peeve is similar to this. It's when villains are too sympathetic for the audience and the writers forgot they were supposed to be evil, so they have them do some stereotypically evil thing near the end.
Like in Wandavision, Tyler Hayward was a great character. He opposed the main cast but he was arguably more understandable than the actions of the main cast. So at the end he grabs a gun and attempts to shoot children for no reason other than that we as the audience are supposed to hate this guy.
I bet he thought the kids weren't real living creatures, that they were just magical constructs that would turn into red energy when shot. Still, it would have been nice to get his perspective on what he believes they are.
What's funnier is they did the same thing in ms marvel, some baddie tried to shoot kids and now he's no longer a sympathetic baddie, he's a real truly evil baddie. It's like making a character be blatantly "evil" by having them kill a dog, oh wait, they did that too in wandavision
The funny thing is, his shot wouldn't have hit either of the kids based on its trajectory. It was aimed between them.
Alan Walker is an even worse example dude tried to befriend them at every opportunity he got only for Sam and Bucky to act like high school mean girls for no reason.
@@arturzinurov4781 IKR...I can honestly remember four truely evil villain which I'm gonna ask you to guess,one is really forgetteble,one is corporate evil,and last two more memorable than other two and they are from same trilogy and same director...
Harm? What harm? There is one sad guy in the whole kingdom, everyone else is thrilled to live there wishes or not. He also doesn't force anyone to give him the wishes, they are freely given. That would have been an easy fix to make him actually evil, have a scene of him forcibly take a wish someone wanted to keep. Maybe Asha, for example, refuses to give up her wish, letting us see her wish and making her more compelling and giving her more of a relationship with the villain. But that would have required a good writer, which Disney seems very low on at the moment.
Yea, the ironic thing about the only person being "harmed" by their wish being taken, is the same person where when their wish is granted in the movie it's a bad thing...
@@hamdepaf6686Maybe Simon was the problem after all /j
Magnifico, in literally ANY other movie, would be the protagonist of the story. A king who came from a shattered homeland, who is actively working to ensure that the kingdom he presides over prospers, and doesn't know the harm his magic causes, and at the end of discovers the harm caused by him removing peoples wishes and becomes a better person for it.
Or, if they want an ambiguous villain, here's how to do it:
He's a well-intentioned extremist, and he thinks what he's doing is best for everyone. When chaos and havoc begins to happen, he realises he can draw power from the ungranted wishes through some means, and rather than turn around he decides to double down on what he thinks is best for the kingdom, resolving to get rid of EVERYONE'S wishes so that nobody can suffer, and then use the power of those wishes to seal the kingdom away from the rest of the world. The final confrontation isn't a fight, but making Magnifico realise that he's gone too far, and convincing him to return the wishes.
Power reveals who you truly are, and Magnifico would be shown to be someone who cares a lot, someone who wants to protect his people, and will protect them even if they don't want it, because he's paranoid about what happened to him in his childhood happening again
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Thanks to everyone saying it's good! I'm glad you could enjoy my sleep-deprived brainchild!
That's a movie I would like to watch!
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Do you know what happened with that Disney movie that started as Kingdom of the Sun and then after extensive drama and rewrites became The Emperor's New Groove? Wish feels like the bad ending of a behind the scenes mess like that.
Frankly having learned about all the behind the scenes shit it was a MIRACLE that Emperor’s New Groove turned out as good as it did
@cartoonishidealism582 oh dude, yeah. Emperors New Groove is a classic...
@@omegaprime9794 I love it! But I'll always wonder how the earlier idea could have gone instead.
the mistake in Kingdom of the Sun was the writers insisting that they use the "animal transformation" plot on top of the swap plot
The original idea is great; a prince and a shephard who look alike swap places. it's one of the most favorite tropes that exist.
both learn outside of their old lives - the added threat of Izma wanting to make the sun disappear to get her youth back and partner up with the god of the night is great.
The idea was that despite the pauper doing the sun ritual (which only the descendent of the sun, the prince, can do to keep the sun alight), it still works and Izma is defeated. also him falling in love with prince's fiancé and her with him; and our prince with a farmers girl? this was an amazing idea
but nope, they went with the llama stuff instead. we got a funny movie, but it cost us an epic
@@z2ynI dunno. I think the llama transformation could’ve been worked into that original plot. Like, have the real prince turned into a llama and is forced to live a lower class life while the lookalike peasant assumes his place.
An evil power couple would have been entertaining, kind of like Briarwoods from Vox Machina. But modern Disney couldn't help themselves dipped back into safe territory and ruined what could have been a good movie.
Ohhhh yes I loved tjose guys
What happened to the innovative part of Disney? The trendsetters?
Dead and buried, that's what.
Honestly at this point can we even call it "safe" if it's costing them so much?
@@sinnerthesinful552 like the cost of the films in general?
It's still not safe. A lot more has been done with less money but nowadays Disney has a habit of throwing 150mil out of the window for any thing they make.
Almost like an evil Morticia and Gomez power couple
Was he really in the wrong? Some people definitely have dumb wishes
No. No no no.
The wishes in Wish are meant to be the core ambitions of someone (think the core memories/personality islands from Inside Out). They aren't wishes for "I wish I had a million dollars", or "I wish my house was a mansion," or even the more darker and sicker wishes I've seen people mock the movie with.
For ex. While Miguel in Coco might want the guitar of de la Cruz, his core wish is to be a musician. While Moana might want to return the Heart of Tefiti, her core wish is to be a way finder.
But that would mean that they could still potentially bring evil, for instance, the villain of Coco wanted to be a famous musician, but was willing to murder and steal to get there, Jafar wanted to be Sultan, yet look at all the horrible things he did to try and achieve it
Same for every other villain
@@logicmeister1821 Yes, and, unlike what many critics would have you believe, Asha never wanted all the wishes granted. She wanted them returned. And an evil wish like those ya mentioned were ones she didn't want to be returned.
@@andrewdowns3673idk, flying and "inspire" are kinda dumb, also there's one that's like being a dress maker and magnifico gives her a pair of scissors
@@cesar6447 Aviators and pilots, like Tom Cruise in Top Gun, always talk about their dream to fly and that they are in heaven when flying.
Creators and artists love to inspire others with their work.
Seamstresses and fashionistas would kill to make a one-of-a-kind dress/clothing, such as for a king.
Nothing’s more painful in a flawed story than seeing the potential in what it could’ve been
Amen to that
I'm right with you. I'm literally annoyed at how good the movie could have been.
And this is not even mentioning the lackluster reaction from Queen Amaya.
The love her life turning evil before her eyes, and she barely reacted to it, even mocking him at the end.
It really feels like there's two versions of the story that are contradicting each other. Like there's the first version of the story being made but then half way through they suddenly changed it but they've sunk so much time and money that they're unable to course correct.
I feel like this is happening more often nowadays.
Oh absolutely!!!
Like Frozen.
As some one who hasn't seen the film yet and has been looking from the outside in, I get the feeling that disney either either forgot how or really doesnt want to go back to traditional always evil villains. Just by looking as his design that looks more like a classic disney prince and listening to clips of "thanks i get" which sound so up beat and cheery for a a villain song, it genuinly seems like they were struggling to not make this guy a complete twist villain, either by scrambking to remember how or my personal head cannon, they were throwing a tantrum the entire time about not being able to completly make this guy a twist or sympathetic villain like a kid being forced to eat their vegetables.
I mean at that point maybe they shouldn't have listened to fan demand, if they can't make a pure evil then don't do that, there clearly was a pretty good concept for a sympathetic villain there but it almost feels like they saw a lot of people being hyped about inredeemable villains and wanted to try that as well but also didn't want to throw away their concept of the sympathetic one either, like I love myself a hateable bad guy but disney shouldn't force themselves to make one just because people want classic disney villains back and yeah there was the original concept but given the world they created it sorta feels like they started by wanting to make a classic disney villain but as there story started to come together they had a different idea but still felt they needed to cling to that original concept to have a classic disney villain again, wich also feels kinda dumb because emperor belos was litterally right there disney you imbeciles you had a show with a hateable villain wich while not as bombastic as those old ones definitly has that same evilness and then you cancel the show why are corporations so bad at making decisions
i think another cool concept would be a twist villian and twist hero asha being an accidental villian and magnifico being right the whole time and asha being driven by a bit of selfishness starting off they could of had asha be an already be the apprentice of magnifico starting off the movie and that they had a father daughter relationship due to the fact asha has no father and magnifico kid died when the kingdom was first founded due to granting a vague wish and that’s why he won’t grant asha’s grandfathers wish but obviously at the moment asha doesn’t know about magnificos kid i think if they made star and went with the star boy lover shapeshifter concept and after asha ran off they could of had star boy give asha magic and how to grant wishes and teach her how to use it falling in love with her as he teaches her though she doesn’t tell him what she plans to do with it fully she just says i want to be able to grant wishes then after a while it’s clear they both admit their feeling for each other and then asha decides to return to the kingdom to grant all the wishes and star boy argues and warns her not to telling her about how it could have consequences asha however doesn’t listen and returns to the kingdom where she has a showdown with king magnifico (it’s night) where he tries to stop her and warn her not to but asha successes in granting all the wishes for only chaos and destruction to ensue everything gone the entire kingdom ash all the people are shocked as all the light is gone and it’s just an empty dark island magnifico then comes up and explains the consequences and what happened to his own child star boy then comes over and talks to asha telling her her oh can fix what she’s done but he will have to return to the stars that’s the consequence she understands a heart felt moment as star boy and asha kiss and star boy walks over and uses his power to restore the kingdom a happy ending ensues where wish granting no longer exists there’s still magic but it’s more of the basic type magnifico remains king and asha remains as the apprentice but asha and magnifico have a father daughter relationship asha never will forget her star crossed lover boy and the people of rosa’s learn to make their wishes come true by them selves including her grandfather the end is happy but slightly bittersweet as asha no longer has her star boy lover that being the consequences of her actions and obviously star boy doesn’t die cause it’s disney he just must go back to the stars instead of staying with asha in rosas (they could of had her freinds be side characters and maybe also warn her in the beginning so at the end when rosas is ash they all just look at her disappointed and with sadness and the queen though she was an interesting character could have been more of a side character maybe having a talk with asha about why magnifico doesn’t grant all the wishes and tries to explain what happened with the kid before she runs off but asha too anger and annoyed runs off without listening) (disclaimer i haven’t watched the movie only some review videos) but yeah that’s my personal take on it there’s lots of concepts and other things that would of worked way better than what we got wish feels like a cool concept where someone came up with the idea wrote it into chat GPT and told it to make a movie (also i’m only thirteen so don’t come for me cause of my opinion 😭)
I think they're worried about brand safeness. That if they go out of their comfort zone and try something new, it will flop and they'll lose a whole bunch of revenue from investors. Wish had the potential to be really amazing, enough to start making back some of the losses for their other recent failures, but they couldn't make themselves leave their bubble of storytelling safety. They stepped outside of it for a minute, got scared, and stepped back in, and the result of that is a story riddled with holes, characters going to waste, and people trying to frantically cover up the problems by slapping the audience in the face with Disney cameos.
@@celestewoodworth5627 Even Disney playing it safe is leading to flops so they might as well start to actually take chances for a change.
Well, he's not a villain, he's an antagonist. He's actually a good ruler and RIGHT to not grant all wishes.
I refuse to believe the idea he is a villain. Magnifico is just an overprotective parent with anger issues whose ungrateful children pushed over the edge. He was put in the villain category unfairly, he is just an antagonist and I will fight anyone who dares to defy my statement! *"Change my Mind"*
The only "bad" thing Magnifico did before he was mind controlled by his magic book was deny Asha what she wanted.
@@PlanetZoidstarAnd even that isn't bad, cause what entitles her that her goal is right!? Magnifico IS correct that imprecise wishes CAN hurt more that they can help!
The true villain of the story is Asha, I tell you!
@@dori.sketches24 Magnifico is the hero Rosas deserves.
Wish is pro-Asha propaganda!
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I'm actually really bummed out now that I know what we could've gotten
That star boy romance thing could've been so cute and oh my gosh an evil couple just being evil would've been friggin great and such a twist if they made it right
This movie reeks of executive meddling. One look at the concept art and you instantly know
I've come across viewers who has their own versions of the movie that is better than the movie.
It is so bland and uninspired that it rounds back into being inspiring.
I think it's because what we've been given with this movie has so much untapped potential to make it something truly enjoyable and we're disappointed that Disney does absolutely nothing with it. If it were on the level of the 1990's Renaissance classics, we wouldn't be feeling the need to speculate what could've been nearly as much because it's easier to enjoy those sorts of movies for what they are.
What’s most frustrating is that the entire beginning magnifico is portrayed as a well meaning antagonist that will eventually learn his lesson but abruptly becomes a full on evil villain for the sake of it. Couldn’t even make that part fun
Disney really wanted their cake and eat it too with this villain.
Hey about the song "At All Costs", it sounds like a love song because it was supposed to be a f***ing love song, it was originally a duet between Star boy and Ahsa in the original plot of the movie, but the director's did a full 180 on the movie and now the only thing that truly remains from the original is this song only because Disney only cared about keeping the song for wedding purposes. That fact truly saddens me.
Dude is literally the victim of what is probably the worst case of character assassination ever. He literally worked hard to get what he earned, is respected by the village, only grants certain wishes to ensure the joy and safety of the villagers and tries to ensure nobody uses the book so nobody has to endure what the book has. They had to use the excuse of him being possessed aka he didn't have control over his body in order to make him evil
He gave over to the dark side? He was already close to a complete monarchy,she defied said monarchy,he went berserk not to lose him status
Get it?
The more i learn about the plot, the more i image how i can make it better with the rewrites it in my mind as i go along. King Magnifico wouldn't work as a straight up evil villain if that's his background, more like a misunderstood that seems villainous to an outsider who don't know how to be responsible. The other stuff and motivations added doesn't make sense. Seems like they didn't have an editor or beta readers for the script before settling for this version. He had no reason to be full on evil.
i think another cool concept would be a twist villian and twist hero asha being an accidental villian and magnifico being right the whole time and asha being driven by a bit of selfishness starting off they could of had asha be an already be the apprentice of magnifico starting off the movie and that they had a father daughter relationship due to the fact asha has no father and magnifico kid died when the kingdom was first founded due to granting a vague wish and that’s why he won’t grant asha’s grandfathers wish but obviously at the moment asha doesn’t know about magnificos kid i think if they made star and went with the star boy lover shapeshifter concept and after asha ran off they could of had star boy give asha magic and how to grant wishes and teach her how to use it falling in love with her as he teaches her though she doesn’t tell him what she plans to do with it fully she just says i want to be able to grant wishes then after a while it’s clear they both admit their feeling for each other and then asha decides to return to the kingdom to grant all the wishes and star boy argues and warns her not to telling her about how it could have consequences asha however doesn’t listen and returns to the kingdom where she has a showdown with king magnifico (it’s night) where he tries to stop her and warn her not to but asha successes in granting all the wishes for only chaos and destruction to ensue everything gone the entire kingdom ash all the people are shocked as all the light is gone and it’s just an empty dark island magnifico then comes up and explains the consequences and what happened to his own child star boy then comes over and talks to asha telling her her oh can fix what she’s done but he will have to return to the stars that’s the consequence she understands a heart felt moment as star boy and asha kiss and star boy walks over and uses his power to restore the kingdom a happy ending ensues where wish granting no longer exists there’s still magic but it’s more of the basic type magnifico remains king and asha remains as the apprentice but asha and magnifico have a father daughter relationship asha never will forget her star crossed lover boy and the people of rosa’s learn to make their wishes come true by them selves including her grandfather the end is happy but slightly bittersweet as asha no longer has her star boy lover that being the consequences of her actions and obviously star boy doesn’t die cause it’s disney he just must go back to the stars instead of staying with asha in rosas (they could of had her freinds be side characters and maybe also warn her in the beginning so at the end when rosas is ash they all just look at her disappointed and with sadness and the queen though she was an interesting character could have been more of a side character maybe having a talk with asha about why magnifico doesn’t grant all the wishes and tries to explain what happened with the kid before she runs off but asha too anger and annoyed runs off without listening) (disclaimer i haven’t watched the movie only some review videos) but yeah that’s my personal take on it there’s lots of concepts and other things that would of worked way better than what we got wish feels like a cool concept where someone came up with the idea wrote it into chat GPT and told it to make a movie (also i’m only thirteen so don’t come for me cause of my opinion 😭)
Same. I stayed up all night after the movie, rewriting it in my head. If I were to summarize my reinterpretation -
I like Magnifico being the villain, so in my version, he's more blatantly narcissistic and condescending. From his first appearance you can see how self absorbed he is. His story is overblown , his ego is overblown. He truly embellished himself as the savior of his kingdom, but does not take criticism well as he cannot perceive himself being in the wrong (that's where Asha comes in).
Not to mention is wife is his partner in crime in this version (being the evil queen to Magnifico's magic mirror), being as vain as he is. They are perfect for each other.
The truth is - he does not truly care about his people or their wishes. He might have once, but now he cares only about the attention and praise they shower him by proxy. Without it, he's nothing. A mirror is just a shard of useless glass if nobody is looking at it.
Not to mention I made Asha the the king and queen's daughter, justifying her insider knowledge, saving on characters (mainly the mom and the dead dad), and adding further drama and conflict to the story :)
@@greenstarlover1 no bc that’s way better than what disney did
@@robotflower11 no what?
@@robotflower11 yeah but Disney wont allow, I mean in their woke mind, women are ment to be good guys and right while men are ment to be the bad guys
“Be careful what you wish for” is never brought up for a second, the movie says that having a wish is the best and most magical thing in the world, and the conflict starts because the one person who can magically grant your deepest desire without question isn’t granting more wishes sooner
Magnifico was defeated by a song.
A. SONG.
How effing LAME can you go with a villain? Man, that poor guy's gonna be the laughingstock of the villains pantheon for centuries to come!
bro was defeated like he was a my little pony villain 💀
@@marinepetalbeing defeated by the ponies and their sun moving princess is less embarrassing XD
To be honest i think if you switch the hero and villain rolls then i think this could work
I am going to try and go through all the nonsense of this film, and show why the King is a Tragic Hero, Asha a mere *fool,* and the queen a monstrous hypocrite.
I. In the opening sequence, when Asha tells the story of the Kingdom (which will prove that she already knows that not all wishes are granted *before* her interview with the King), she says: '[The King] studied the magic of the world tirelessly and became a mighty sorcerer able to protect from harm or ill will, any wish given to him. And for the good and the worthy, even grant that wish.' The latter sentence implies that even though he accepts any one to live in his orderly Kingdom, he is the one who decides who is good and worthy. The former sentence proves that the only thing he promises to his people is to keep their wishes safe.
II. Asha is the immature and impulsive protagonist of the story. She wants to become King Magnifico's apprentice ONLY to ask him to grant her grandfather's wish. Before her interview with Magnifico, Gabo implies that she only wants to be the King's apprentice because apprentices and their families more often than not have their wishes granted sooner than other people; Asha does not rebuke him (cheers to our dishonest 'heroine'!). The stupid thing is, it is later stated that only the King is allowed to use magic in his Kingdom; for what does he need an apprentice, then? ('How do you enjoy your script, sir?' 'Half-baked, please.')
III. When she is cringely shocked by the King because he does not grant all wishes (which she already knew), she stupidly says, in order to move the plot forward even though it should have been expanded upon, that the people of Rosas are good, as if the audience should accept that unconvincing statement without proof from a dishonest and hypocritical seventeen year-old girl, who is going to also become a thief later on haha The people gave their wishes to the King willingly Asha, taking them away from him without his consent *is* stealing! My apologies, I digress, I know, it is not her fault if she is a plot device personified: it is that of the incompetent screenwriters.
IV. The King is more heroic than Asha and he has such an unfair fate in the end. He starts using 'forbidden magic' (what an inspired plot device!) in order to protect his Kingdom and he cannot be saved from this dark magic because... the 'evil' book says so! Lazy writing! The worst part is, when he ends up being trapped in the mirror, he seems to be his normal self again, and the queen (his wife!) does not care at all! Let us punish the man who wants to protect the Kingdom he worked hard to build because he *wished* to keep people safe! They introduce us to the idea that all living things are connected to one another, and they do not redeem the King? It was the perfect opportunity, Disney!
V. The queen is the real villain of the story, she switches sides instead of trying to save her husband and feels no compassion towards him. She clearly knew how her husband ran his Kingdom and did not mind one bit until Asha started being a threat to Magnifico. She is nothing but a hypocritical opportunist. She turned on him the second he made a bad choice. She is the most pathetic character ever written in a Disney film.
VI. The people of Magnifico are so 'empty' without their wishes that they live happily without them--except for Simon who is sooo tired because he gave it away. If they can live happily without their desires, it is all that matters. From the King's perspective (and I mostly agree with him) wishes are burdens. When they give their wish *willingly* to Magnifico, they feel exhausted at first because of the burden that has been lifted off their shoulders, but once they get used to being free of it, they can be truly happy, whether the King grants them their heart's desire or not. He gives them the ability to let go, which most people are not willing to do, as if true happiness could exist while holding on to things like an old miser hoards his money because he unknowingly lives in fear of poverty and cannot/will not loosen his grip on that fear, and therefore contributes to his own unhappiness. Magnifico gives his people true freedom *for free* and they still find cause to complain?
VII. When the star-full but heartless people of Rosas sing together, it unites their souls together, and allows them to defeat Magnifico. But most of them have given their wish to him, have they not? What do I mean by that? If wishes were that important, the persons who had given them away would never have been powerful enough to defeat the King. Which means that they already have all they need inside of them: wishes are a plus, not a necessity to happiness or strength.
VIII. In the end, Star who does not grant wishes, but can only make non-human living things talk (silly plot device again, I have lost count), gives Asha a wand, to use magic, which unlike the King, is given to her, whereas Magnifico worked hard to achieve that in order to protect people. But now, the simple-minded girl with no heart and not wits, who ruined the life of a *good* man and kept prattling on about the fact that people had to make their dreams come true by themselves, will become a fairy godmother who grants wishes! May the gods help whoever crosses her path.
The last thing I would like to point out is that people's wishes change over the course of their lives, this is why a wish or a desire cannot define some one, because if it it did and was truly a part of one's soul, it would be immutable. Wishes are a plus, not who a person truly is.
To conclude, the story has not been thought through, Disney has no respect for their audience. The dialogues are plot-driven, almost none of them allows the characters to be developed in a satisfying manner. But of one thing, I am sure: The queen is an awful character; she deserves the same sympathy she showed the King when he most needed her. The King is not a villain, Asha is not a hero. Magnifico is a Tragic Hero, Asha is nothing but ashen stardust.
Agreed
A lot of good points you’ve made!
Magnifico deserved better. HE was the one trying to protect his kingdom, and Asha was the one being stupid and irresponsible by stealing the wishes that were given to him!
The Queen switching sides when she sees that her husband isn’t perfect is horrible. No sympathy or any show of emotion, she’s just okay with it.
Thanks for all of that, I read it all and I agree with you.
Hey wait a minute, I saw this exact same comment in another video talking about Wish... *AND IT GOT PINNED.* Are you sure it's not a copypasta? 🤨
@@nevaehhamilton3493 No, it is not a copypasta, I simply commented it on other videos, I confess 😅 I had never done this before, this film frustrated me so much haha
You know what I think happened?
They wanted a twist with the villain but the sheer demand for a “classic villain” forced them to course correct
It’s like: Magnifico is too complex to be a classic Disney villain, the people of Rosas aren’t suffering enough for him to be an evil tyrant and his backstory or reasoning isn’t fleshed out enough to make him a compelling tragic villain.
He just seems like he was kind of dick, who could probably be reasoned with and just had to apologise to Asha for being rude, then dime-flipped into irredeemable evil villain with barely any goal.
5:43-5:52, that idea reminds me of a Teen Titans episode called "Spellbound" where Raven develops a bond with this sorcerer, who *SPOILERS* we at first think is named Malchior, trapped inside a book after facing off against a dragon, who we at first think is named Rorek, and she's encouraged to learn these spells that sets him free, but it turns out it wasn't the sorcerer she was freeing from the book, but rather the dragon disguising himself as the sorcerer. The names were reversed, Rorek is actually the sorcerer and Malchior the dragon, in order to trick/gaslight Raven into accidentally summoning an evil monster on to the world. I think something along those lines would've been a more interesting way to preserve elements of the tragic backstory while still keeping Magnifico a "muhahahaha" villain.
Maybe have it be one of the old Disney villains trying to make a comeback…probably the evil queen since she was the first villain and it’s meant to be a celebration of Disney
@@billmcdermott9647 That would've been a cool idea.
@@billmcdermott9647and they did keep doing the mirror motif and vanity on Magnifico. Would have been interesting
Disney has become so confused they don't know the difference between good and evil anymore. Ever since "Frozen", which was a fluke. In that one they realized half way through that they didn't have a villain, so the prince suddenly became the villain.
Elsa is the "villain" for the first half ,watch it again
Clearly King Magnifico was a case of PTSD pushed to the edge by a spoiled brat. All they had to do was show him the negative consequences of his good intentions.
9:48 ‘At All Costs’ was originally intended as a love song between Asha & Star Boy (Star’s original incarnation) but after the romance element was dropped from Asha’s (lacklustre) arc, it was rewritten as a duet between Asha & Magnifico & you can tell it wasn’t written with these 2 particular characters in mind.
You'd think the obvious solution to wanting magnifico to be a sympathetic misguided antagonist but also wanting a classic villain would be to make the queen the villain and mastrr manipulater usibg magnifico for her own power and then aim asha at him when people start rebelling.
I never thought we could've had our cake and eat it too, bravo!
That's... Honestly such a good idea, I never thought of that. It would also be a great callback to the original three Disney Princess villains also being female
6:30 is exactly why I wanted to know more of his backstory because there's no clear evil intent at all before the book took away his control.
And then the Queen aids Asha's coup, forgets about the Evil Book's possesion and what drove Magnifico to it, and afterwards, is the jailer of her very husband, now trapped in the staff (or dungeon?). The very same woman who escaped with him, helped him found a new kingdom and aid him in his reign. All it took was one missed step to do an 180° to the very same man you spent decades, effort and heart with. I literally wondered if this disney world is in the Realm of Darkness with such a woman, Ashe and general populace on the level of overgrown babies.
Something that I actually find interesting is during the song, At All Costs, Asha is trying to find her Saba(?)’s wish and sang to specifically that wish and pretty much ignored all the other wishes. But with Magnifico, he sings to *all* the wishes, he cares about all the wishes while Asha only cares about her Saba(?)’s wish. Just an interesting visual to me
disney really messed up so bad that almost everyone hated sasha instead😭😭
I saw some videos on Wish and some comments on it and an idea, sounded intriguing. Have Magnifico, started like a snake-oil saleman, coning good folks, with Harmless, quick-fixes. One day, he finds the: " Evil book" , gets intrigued, test a potential spell, to interpret a wish, (his wish), but backfires , costing his village, but also, having a split personality, which, he thinks, is his mind opening, then, he gets island kingdom and the rest, follows the movie. I believe that , could, in my book, "could", make it stronger, The split personality, would not, absolve, Magnifico, completely of blame, but make the audience, feel for him more.
Basically, never let them cook again.
"creative indecision" that is a FANTASTIC way to put it, thank you
I never knew that Magnifico was protecting the wishes against being destroyed. That actually makes him even more noble than I thought. I thought he was meaninglessly keeping the wishes even though he didn't need them. The idea that someone's truest desire was unfulfilled and that caused them to go crazy, that suddenly makes everything about why he wipes away memories of wishes from people, why he keeps them safe and sound, so that they continue to have their motivation for life despite never knowing exactly what they're motivated for, if they knew their wish could never come true, it would break, possibly causing catastophy.
Damn, every time I hear more about Magnifico, the more of a good guy he sounds like.
When you mentioned the original ending, I imagined a lady macbeth type deal. That would have been cool
Can I just say ur first theory is literally what I suggest any time ppl discuss how to make the story of wish better. It would be sm better if magnifico was using the wishes to gain power, which ALSO gives him better motive to feel threatened by star, and would give him reason to want to capture star and STEAL ITS POWER
I like to point out that there was only person who seemed affected by losing their wish. The rest of the townspeople seemed fine and even happy about losing their wishes. So by most accounts, king Magnifico was doing a good thing taking away their wishes.
The way Chris Buck talks about classical old disney villains almost sounds like he enjoys their features rather than their actual attributes.
Another way is that they could have had it that the older he gets the weaker he becomes and he can’t really handle the wishes so he goes to the evil book to help him protect and grant wishes at the cost of slowly making him evil.
My favorite part is when he has EVERY right to fire the protagonist... He doesn't. He is perfectly alright with people challenging him and his methods. He is actually quite reasonable and knows to put his ego in check most of the time.
I would like to remember this film as Magnifico the good guy and those annoying kids and talking animals the bad guy and this is actually an origin story of a villain not a princess
He literally didn't kill anyone and only made people sad, the stakes were so low and yet he ended up with a fate worse than death, it was so bad. He was not a full-on evil, scary villain like scar or maleficent
If I had a nickel where a Disney magic user becomes evil because of an evil book, I'd have two nickels but it's weird that it happened twice.
Magnifico feels like an overprotective parent controlling their child's wishes & deciding their futures for their own good.
This reminds me of that photographer guys dad from 3 Idiots.
How he decides his son should be an engineer right from his birth, how he sacrifices so much to raise him to be capable of that, only to find out his son's wish is different, to become a photographer, a profession with a high rate for failure into mediocrity.
Yet they resolved it & hugged it out in the end, it was so heart warming.
While magnifico was dragged through the streets & butchered 😢
At the end of the movie I honestly just felt bad for Magnifico, because it was like watching a character get slaughtered by the writers in real time
I heard that the duet between asha and magnifico was originally supposed to be a duet for starboy and asha before starboy got scrapped, so thats probably why it sounds romantic
Amazing how in a year with so many incredible animated movies, not a single one of them was was from either Disney or Pixar.
I liked Elemental. 😕
@@colbystearns5238 Tbf, it was just Zootopia but with elements. Also, how are Wade and Ember supposed to kiss? Wouldn’t he kill her or something?
The movie is about balance. ... i really liked it that movie carried disney/pixar this year@t1mburt0nsdandruff
@t1mburt0nsdandruff 1) Zootopia isn't a romantic film. Sure, you can ship Nick and Judy (I know I do) but that's not the point of the story at all. 2) Elemental deals with the topic of growing up in an immigrant family. Ember's family in particular is inspired by Asian culture, which makes sense because the director is Asian. Zootopia doesn't really deal with that topic and then closest we get is in Zootopia+, not even the movie. So no, Elemental isn't Zootopia with Elements. They're both different films dealing with different topics and themes in different ways.
Elemental was amazing. What you talking about?
4:32 When you start talking about how people can't be crushed if their wishes are taken away, it immediately reminded me of Raiden Ei's thinking when taking away people's visions in Genshin Impact
Interesting comparison! But i feel like the biggest difference that cant be ignored is that, unlike in genshin, in this story the people give up their wishes _willingly_ instrad of being hunted down for them, and the kingdom is... actually prosperous? Inazuma was in the absolute brink of collapse when we first get there bcs no one was really ruling it (I dont count the shogun puppet on autopilot as a ruler), the closest thing was the very corrupt tri-comission wich... yeah we saw how that was going...
It sounds like to me they wanted to write the book to be what the "one ring" in Tolkien's LOTR story did but didn't understand the subtle nuance of erosion that evil does to people.
A gentle comforting and even empowering with the enticement of more if only the person tempted submits, granting a sense of security at the cost of everything that person held dear which takes time to happen and even longer when the person is wise as well as strong willed, yet humble.
They didn't understand the Magnifico character they had built up well enough on a systemic level to understand how to slowly warp or erode his principles through the method of exploitng his flaws, fear, insecurities, and desires into a person who could no longer be recognized to be the same person but through meticulously laid out story beats comes across as believably tragic.
There is a character called kennit that proves that villains can be conplex and still evil hearted
His goal was to be king of the pirates. He helps pirate cities and free slave ships but not because he cares about them. He does all of it because of childhood trauma and trying to correct his past. He is still evil but we get why he does it not from ideology but because of his trauma. It deep but still selfish.
Dude, this movie could have been so damn good if it had gotten the Pixar treatment...
What is the Pixar treatment ?
@@madeleinedartois4689I think is when Pixar decides to take control over the movie, like: "ok I'm taking this movie and see how can we make it"
If I'm wrong please correct me
@@madeleinedartois4689 oh, sorry, I never noticed I had a notification for this comment :o
With Pixar treatment I meant that unlike Disney Pixar most of the time goes for the "want vs need" route.
So the main character/s start out wanting something but learn on their journey that they actually needed something else to get their happy end.
Like in Toys story, where Woody starts out insecure and jealous of Buzz because he feared getting replaced as Andy's favorite toy by a "cooler" toy.
In the end he had to learn to find confidence in his love for his kid and that even if Andy prefers playing with a different toy, he will still always be the one with the special place in Andy's heart.
Its called puss in boots the last wish ;)
Im only partly joking
they couldve pushed a plot where magnifico has a wish that was never granted, his motive all along couldve been to harness all the power to grant his own wish, whatever that wish would be.. but that sounds better than him just being a villain so the story can go along ??
I feel like the money that went to this movie, went up someone's a*s
I also miss the general evil villain. What happened to villains who are just plain evil? I love those types of sadistic and psychotic villains. Those guys are fun to create for me.
It would've been interesting if Magnifico and Asha switched roles. Like Asha turned out to be the villain and him the hero in the end. Don't know how that would be written, but it would be slightly more interesting than what actually happened.
Well, if you want to know how that would play out, have I got the thing for you. Look up Twisted: The tale of the royal vazier. It’s a play where Jafar is the main character and Aladdin is the real villain in a parody of the original Aladdin movie
LydiatheBard has a cover of This Wish. It's rewitten into Asha's villain song, and her take on the characters is certainly more interesting than what we got
Have you ever considered that there are numerous myths, legends, and tales throughout history that warn about "be careful what you wish for", and that some of these wishes, one of which we literally see is someone conquering new lands, are very harmful for society as a whole? I mean Bruce Almighty shows what happens when you just give away wishes freely. All hell breaks loose.
The core Issue with Magnifico is that wether or not you agree with him holding onto wishes he can't grant ... he's otherwise basically a saint.
Like the movie tries to fault him for choosing which wishes to grant but he's totally right in doing so as granting every wish is reckless and stupid.
Even him holding onto ungranted wishes, while wrong, is understandable. he believes people are better off not remembering dreams that won't come true and ... some people would probably agree with that.
I'm not saying it's ultimately right for him to do so, especially without being transparent about it, but it's at least understandable ... and this is the single "wrong" thing he does before the book turns him evil.
Disney proved with this movie that it's talent is gone, or at least what talent they do have is powerless to do anything against incompetent leadership. Because the origional script for the movie sounds amazing with the king and queen being evil and the star being a star prince who is the heroine's love interest ... so much of the origional script sounds good and it ALL got scrapped.
I think Disney should have made Magnifico a feared and reviled evil sorcerer from the start, like Maleficent or the Horned King, if they really wanted the unambiguously evil villain. I feel like Magnifico was originally written as a misguided anti-hero like Abeula Madrigal from Encanto or Namaari from Raya before they clumsily rewrote him to be worse. Even if it's a little trite by this point, the anti-hero plot honestly wouldn't have been that bad either, but they need to pick a plot and stick with it. Sidebar: if Disney wants a second attempt at a traditional villain, they should try to get Jeremy Irons back for another villain role. It'll be so epic.
I really thought the destroyed kingdom was going to come back later. Like we see the full tapestry and it turns out that Magnifico destroyed his own kingdom for some wish-related reason, like he wished his kingdom would be happy and then they all died in a fire because they were too happy to run from it - something that makes us understand where he was coming from. But no, the movie just drops the whole idea. That tapestry might as well have been fully burnt for all the good it did the story.
I mentioned this on Twitter, but Magnifico reminds me of Tony Stark in Age of Ultron. In both cases, Tony and Magnifico are traumatized by something huge and deadly that they vow never to let happen again, but in their desperation to keep people safe, create something that gets too big for them to handle and it gets out of control. Tony was never bad for creating Ultron, and Magnifico was never bad for keeping people's wishes. But both plans were misguided and ended up doing more harm than good in the end.
They could have made Asha the villain of the story and follows her redemption. It's a bit rarer to see a good "villain to good guy" movie, even rarer in animated form. Magnifico could just have been the good guy this whole time with Asha fighting against him and gaining the life lesson that not all wants are good and not all wishes are safe.
Magnifico doesn't even have a motivation to be evil. He created a city for people and he's beloved by all. His reasoning isn't even flawed. He said the wish was too vague, which is true. He does nothing really wrong, aside from being suddenly possessed by a book.
They completely screwed up what could have been a great story.
Honestly, this villain is a perfect example of something I've been noticing with an increasing number of writers lately. No idea if there is a term for it but it's kind of a morality reversal. A writer who is a bad person will tend to write a hero and call them villain, and write villains and call them heroes. The heroes will embody the negative traits that the writer has internalized, while the villain will embody the positive traits that the writer despises.
Why is Magnifico a villain? What is villainous about his true self? What does he do? He is an authority figure who exercises discretion and caution. A person who explains to you why something is dangerous or potentially a bad idea, and puts his foot down for your own good.
Why is Asha a hero? What is heroic about her? She decides she wants something, and goes to any length to get it. She ignores words of caution, throws away opportunities to better herself and takes a shortcut to great power in order to achieve her goal.
What I see when I look at the conflict between Magnifico and Asha is not a hero and villain clashing. What I see is a protective father and a spoiled daughter fighting. The writers are immature, petulant, and spoiled, and what they see more than anything as true villainy is the father figure that may have stood in their way of getting whatever they wanted as a teenager. They haven't matured and grown as people enough yet to understand that sometimes, you need to be told no.
0:42 the pan was put on high and the meal was "cooked" in 30 seconds.
"I want to see how they innovate" That's the problem right there. Disney used to be a pioneer of animation, really pushing the medium to tell wonderful stories that could be enjoyed by the entire family. Now it's a matter of "how do we keep making money?" And it's really sad. I'm sure Walt's rolling in his cryogenic box.
Apparently the animators were given a very short time period to finish this film, 3 months I believe. That is equivalent to a university semester, on top of that, the studio drove out the Disney veterans who have the skills and experience of film making that could have taught these new animators how to create a film with quality.
So really this film is the work equivalent of a student project, which is good for a student project, but it’s not, it’s Disney, the peak of high quality expectations for animation. There’s so many issues going on with the corporate at the moment, the main one is their activism has pushed away a lot of the workers who contributed to bringing in the artistic and creative side to the company. It’s why the corporation is a shell at this point, hollow with the dead expression of Mickey Mouse that is disturbing and it’s driving a lot of the fans away. The fans were loyal to Walt and his vision of entertainment, the respect of the past yet the optimism of the future, to push skills and talents to another level, to innovate solutions to help the broad community. That is not what the mindset of the Disney corporation is, and people refuse to have any more patience for the company to redeem itself.
This movie has so much squandered potential. Magnifico is said to be protecting the kingdom and making it prosperous but we don't see any of that. He should be diverting storms, repelling pirates (it's an island), and creating rain for crops. It's an interesting idea to have a kingdom where 4 of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs are fulfilled if you give up on the 5th. That's a real philosophical dilemma. What if people want to leave the kingdom permanently? Do they get their wish back? What if a person dies? Does their wish disappear or does it remain because of Magnifico's protection? What if instead of threatening Asha's Mother's wish, he had her late father's? The last remaining part of him remained and is now in danger. That would give Asha some believable motivation!
Cool, you've gotten your self actualization back or whatever. You drove your magical protector crazy and banished him to the shadow realm, the kingdom is kinda screwed now right? The Queen isn't magical and Asha still sucks at magic (If she even has any), enjoy the invading forces, hurricanes, and drought. Was getting your groove back worth what it cost?
For a movie supposedly about wishes, it says nothing about them. Are bad wishes a thing? What if someone wishes harm or death on someone else? What if someone's wish directly contradicts someone else's wish? Which one takes priority? Asha's always right so no reason for her to wrestle with hard questions or moral ambiguity. Everyone's wish MUST be granted!
Oh, and Grandpa should have used his mandolin to rally the townspeople at the end, thereby confirming Magnifico's fears about his wish. Instead of being dead weight that the Queen needed to jump into danger herself to protect.
Imagine if that book contained Chernabog from Fantasia. The movie could be about how Magnifico and his wife get possessed but eventually at the end of everything and with the help of the kingdom and Star they are able to fend off the possession meaning we could have actually interesting character arcs for Magnifico and his wife and an actual classic Disney villain in Chernabog
Asha was the real villain, she was stupid, thoughtless and didn't care about the consequences of her idiocy.
Magnifico is more like an overprotective parent that starts drinking.
I think having a movie called "Wish" can not be expected to be good.
That Strange World clip looks so cool! I’ll have to go watch that part.
I feel i would have been better to make him a Wizard of Oz type situation where he doesn't have the power to grant wishes and just fools the kingdom for power and he feels his power is threatened by the mc finding actual magic and so he wants real power to claim for himself. Or keep him the guy he is BUT have his wife be the ear worm true villian that is the voice that leads him to twisting his perspective and making him into the bad guy. 🤔
That was one of my theories for the movie going in, that King Magnifico was not actually made of magic but was a Wizard of Oz-style charlatan who fooled people into thinking he was so that when Asha summons the cute, little Luma star, or actual magic, the king now has a real reason to feel threatened, arrest/execute Asha and steal the star's magic for his own nefarious ends.
I can see the queen subtly manipulating Magnifico into thinking there's nothing wrong about extracting wishes with magic, making him increasingly arrogant and selfish, and luring him into opening the book so there's a reason to get rid of him, so then she can play victim and join Asha's side to overthrow his husband so she can become the sole ruler of the land, and the movie itself already shows she has a way to consult the book without getting corrupt by its magic, and she very easily moved on from the fact her so called "beloved husband" turned bad by outside forces and was trapped, and gave up pretty quickly on that, despite the movie itself proving the magic of the stars is far superior than Magnifico's and the book's combined and at their apex, so if she couldn't is because she didn't even try to wish for his freedom, and heck, maybe she was just checking if he could escape on his own and potentially ruin her plans should she finds out what she did, with the book telling her to relax because he can't
If you tell me she was the real villain of the story and used everyone to reach her goal, I would believe it, and heck, would be first time a villain wins in a Disney film I think
9:50 i really think it was a story about him being the supervillain then changed to be a hero but then twisted to meet the narration of the current Disney
So Magnifico grants wishes and gets power from them...that is Maxwell Lord from Wonder Woman 1984, so Disney ripped off a villain, yet the Disney villain is inferior...sounds about right
It's inferior to WW84... just imagine how bat it has to be in order to say that
A villian couple could have been so fun!!!
I wondered if they decided against this cause they didn't want a female villian or something. Which would be stupid.
They apparently were also gonna have the protagonist have a love interest,which is something I kind of miss in Disney movies
In the end this is just a Disney film for the 100th anniversary. With a poor script, and too many Easter eggs that make it feel like they reckon a lot of the previous animated Disney films like Asher, becoming the fairy godmother, her goat being the founder of Zootopia and now magnifico being the mirror
This could've ushered in a Disney age of new types of villains: not twist villains, but not 100% evil, either. More nuanced and complex, not entirely wrong or devoid of morals.
This is the 100th anniversary movie?
Well. 100 years of disney and what they do to celebrate it is the most wasted amount of potential and money disney has ever did.
The worst part is, they COULD HAVE MADE IT WORK. If they had done a better job with the execution, Magnifico's overly extreme excuse for denying Asha's grandpa's wish could have still worked, if they had _emphasized the paranoia._
"Inspire people with his music? Inspire them to do what...? Its too _vague..._ What if his wish is to inspire the people to revolt? To rise up and start a revolution against Rosas!? To try and take back their wishes!? It would lead to anarchy!" (his voice slowly shifting to panic).
"No, no! He's a good man, he would never do that!"
"BUT HOW COULD I BE SURE?" (he snaps before regaining his composure a bit) "No! Its too risky, I cannot grant this wish..." (he turns away from Asha before quietly continuing) "I cannot risk the safety of this kingdom... I refuse to lose what I've worked so hard to maintain."
from the snippets I've heard about Magnifico, I'm just reminded of a villain from RWBY named general Ironwood
basically, he had the building blocks to become a fantastic hero turned villain - a morally gray and tragic character
however, the show's insistence on the main characters being right even with opposing his reasonable requests, it then fumbles Ironwood's supposedly slow transition from being morally questionable but reasonable to full on complete evil villain
there's videos on him if anyone is interested, point is the inability to choose between charismatic completely evil villain and morally complex villain really hurts Wish's story too
He cant be that bad of a villian. He lets you live at his place for free and he doesnt even charge you rent.
Disney wants us to believe Asha is the hero & King Magnifico is the villain but when you think about it, their "hero" is the REAL villain and their "villain" is the REAL hero.
Even if we agree that Magnifico is wrong for holding wishes, _it's his kingdom._ People travel there to live there for free and be taken care of. I don't even think they _have to_ give up their wish on their 18th birthday, just that they can in order for it to be granted. That doesn't sound villainous at all. Even if the payment for living there for free and have all your needs taken care of was the price of your deepest wish, that still wouldn't be villainous.
Magnifico isn't holding people there against their will. People know the deal. This is kinda the a "Happiness isn't enough. I demand euphoria"-type of story. Hell, the movie doesn't even adhere to its own story since Asha supposedly becomes the fairy godmother and grants other people's wishes, but is she granting everyone's wishes? Where is she in every other Disney movie granting their wishes? She's basically just Magnifico again where she is choosing whose wish to grant, and so far the only one she's granted is Cinderella's and Pinocchio's, maybe--if we're supposed to believe the fairy godmother in both are the same person.
Even in Disney movies the main character has to struggle, change, or be really noble in order for their wish to be granted.
Cinderella was kind to her animal friends and protected them from harm. Pinocchio has to go on a journey and face peril to get his wish.
In Disney cannon wishes were never free and took effort from the protagonist
When your villain is too sympathetic.
When you can't have a villain actually be evil because you disagree with it personally.
This is what happens...
This is like The Lorax problem. In the original book and the first adaptation, The Onceler was evil, and he knew what he was doing was wrong. Yet he kept going and was only sorry for his actions once it was too late. In the 2012 Illumination adaptation, however, The Onceler doesn't even know what he is doing is bad. At the beginning, he doesn't even feel like a villian. Just a guy who wants success. And when he does become "evil", he doesn't actually become evil. He is just blinded and doesn't know what's going on around him. And Magnifico is also similiar to that, except he feels very, very slightly closer to the evil side in my opinion.