Thank you sooooo much for making this broadcast. There’s so little info (videos) about the Dynaudio LYDs. So great to hear about the thoughts behind the different models. 👍🏻
I’ve been mixing on 5” nearfields for 20 years. My Event PS-5s fit like the Beatles’ proverbial Old Brown Shoe. Still, I appreciate you both clarifying for whom, and why the Core series aren’t for me, lest G.A.S. kick in and drain my bank account!
The F3 and F6 bass extension of even the bigger Core 59 doesnt go low enough compared to the competition at the price point. Are they designed to absolutely be used with a dynaudio subwoofer or two, adding to the price? I have no doubt of the quality of what is on offer here though. Im just worried about the bass without a sub isnt considered a full range system at the price. At the price point of the Core 59 especially I would expect them with a 9.5" woofer to extend further.
What you’re noticing here are the tradeoffs between ported and closed box designs. Closed box designs don’t go as deep, but the low end they do have is much more accurate. Seeing that the vast majority of rooms don’t reproduce 40Hz accurately, let alone 30, there are many situations in which a closed box design will have superior low end, even if that low end isn’t as deep. If you do want a room that can accurately reproduce 30 and 40 HZ, you’re either going to have to spend a ton in acoustician design fees, construction and acoustic treatment, or you’re going to have to use subs to help get around the limitations of the room. In my view, any speakers that go down to 50, and more ideally, 40 HZ are suitably full range for the majority of professional mixing contexts. Many situations in which deeper range are needed can benefit from a sub, and most speakers of this size that go substantially lower are ported designs, which inherently have less accurate bass in the form of greater resonances and inferior low end transient response. Sometimes looking at specs can mislead us by encouraging us to focus on one variable at the exclusion of other variables that may be even more important for our situation. Everything in speaker design involves tradeoffs. I hope that helps! -Justin
@SonicScoop Thanks for the reply. I got a custom built room, although not acoustician built. With new inner shell etc with floor to ceiling GIK corner traps about 34 panels in total. Monstetraps, cloud, 8x 40hz GIK Scopus etc. I dont know how much bass that room can really tolerate as ive yet to measure the actual frequency response and time domain response in there. Anyhow the confusion for me regarding Core 59 is the Dynaudio specs says" Box Principle Front-loaded bass reflex" on all of the core series. I think youtube decided to eat my first reply as I can no longer see it.
I’m sorry, you’re right, they do have a small front port. I forgot! :-) That said, there are similar tradeoffs within ported design for those same variables-just not to the same degree as the average ported vs non ported design. Dynaudio isn’t the only brand to look at, if you prefer something that goes even deeper without a sub. I just wanted to add that there are tradeoffs with any good speaker design, and monitors should be evaluated in that context. Once you get to a certain level of design quality, improving one area of performance almost always has a detrimental effect in some other area. Good speaker selection is really about figuring out which tradeoffs make the best sense for your personal biases, needs and budget. Ultimately, you’ve really got to hear some of these for yourself to decide! But I hope this helps give you a lay of the land. I hope that helps! -Justin
@@SonicScoop Thanks. I guess that means they are more tuned for accuracy than extension. So they are closer to a closed box design with less of a hump or inaccuracies near the port resonance. It makes more sense to me now.
Yes, I believe that is what they are going for, and I did find them to be remarkably fast and resonance free in the low end for a ported design. Enough so that I forgot they were ported for a moment just now! :-)
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Answer in video :-) This is one of the main questions that asked. But you can get great results on the LYD as well, and for a lot of people, that route will make a lot of sense. -Justin
@@SonicScoop I must have missed it, and I watched the whole video. I thought it went off on a tangent and was never answered. Do you mean the part he talks about style of music and use for dialogue ? Assuming the drivers and electronics on the LYD are not far behind the core i can not see how a two way speaker could be better than a three way one.
@@SonicScoop I watched again and sorry but there is no answer to that question. He compared the three way LYD with the two way LYD and that makes sense since the two way is cheaper so that is a factor. Then you talk about the benefits of three way and I completely agree.Then you talked about subs. But what the extra $800 will get you for a two way Core instead of the three way LYD ?
@@SonicScoop I have to say I'm a bit disappointed to receive the silent treatment but I can understand both the diplomatic answer and the silence after it. My aim was not to undermine one speaker over the other and perhaps you felt I was forcing you to do that but that was really not my aim. I just do not buy into two drivers good for hip hop, three for the voice answer he gave. Yes the Core has better electronics and bigger amps but still to me that is not enough to justify getting that over the much cheaper three way driver speaker that uses the same family of drivers as the Core. There is simply no acoustic benefit to justify it. He even made that clear. I was hoping you had a better explenation.
Hey Peter, I can't keep up with all my TH-cam comments in real time unfortunately! Here's the gist: The Core series has higher SPL which is necessary to meet spec for ATMOS setups that require higher SPLs at greater distances. They put out even more level with even less distortion. The Core series have digital inputs with onboard conversion so there is one less stage of conversion to access the onboard DSP for time alignment and the like. They have an even more robust box design with mounting screws for hanging from walls and stands which is essential in a lot of ATMOS and surround setups. They have even further improved drivers and their latest tuning for further improved transient and frequency response. When you get to this level of high end, it's often about paying 2x more for maybe 20% improvements around the edges. For A lot of people in music, the LYD and and BM series are likely to be the better fit. But for people who want to spare no expense and get the "best" available, this kind of series is meant to be that. Hope that helps! -Justin
thanks for recommending every single monitor as if its the best monitor. thanks for recommending every single headphones as if its the best headphones in the world. thanks for recommending every single product you touch and received for free. it helps a lot;) great channel. adding it to my" sponsored, hit skip " list. I appreciate you. I learn what not to buy;)
I legit do think basically every major studio monitor brand is the best studio monitor - *for someone*. Dynaudio, Adam, Kali, Neumann, Barefoot, HEDD, etc… ALL of them make great speakers that will be the best choice for *someone*. If they didn’t, they wouldn’t be nearly as successful! The bottom line is that monitor choices are extremely personal. If you give 5 different monitors to 5 different people, you’re likely to get 5 different opinions on which sound best. My job is to help tell the story of each good brand’s stuff as fairly and fully as possible, so people who will probably like their stuff can find them. Do I have my personal preferences on each brand mentioned? YES. And in appropriate situations, I express my personal preferences. But sharing my personal preferences is NOWHERE NEAR AS IMPORTANT as helping the viewer figure out what the best monitors for THEM are likely to be. To do that, I have to give each brand a fair shake and help them tell the best and truest version of their story. And to get the video clicked on, I have to have a clickable title. Asking a provocative question is one way to do that. And hey-it worked on you! Are the Core 5 the best new compact studio monitors? These certainly are some of the highest end compact studio monitors to come out this year at over $3k for the pair. Are they extremely high quality to the point where they can justify that price? Yes. Are they the “best”? That’s up to whether or not they best suit your tastes, biases, and needs. That’s what this video is here to help you discover. And it does a darn good job of it, if I don’t say so myself. If you want to learn everything you’d want to know about Dynaudio-one of the most popular studio monitor brands in the industry-find me a video that does it better! Very best, -Justin
Thank you sooooo much for making this broadcast. There’s so little info (videos) about the Dynaudio LYDs. So great to hear about the thoughts behind the different models.
👍🏻
Have had my Dynaudio BM5A's since '08! Would love to upgrade to LYD maybe
Love my Core 59s! Your headline scared me into thinking the value of them was about to go down haha
Core 5s look great!!
I have the LYD-7s and love them
I’ve been mixing on 5” nearfields for 20 years. My Event PS-5s fit like the Beatles’ proverbial Old Brown Shoe. Still, I appreciate you both clarifying for whom, and why the Core series aren’t for me, lest G.A.S. kick in and drain my bank account!
I have the lyd paid and want the s-18 sub to go low. Pice is a bit out of reach for me thoough. Focal give me era fatigue.
And Justin, what does it take to integrate him into this year's lineup?
We’d need confirmation on a sponsor for him. Working on it!
The F3 and F6 bass extension of even the bigger Core 59 doesnt go low enough compared to the competition at the price point. Are they designed to absolutely be used with a dynaudio subwoofer or two, adding to the price? I have no doubt of the quality of what is on offer here though. Im just worried about the bass without a sub isnt considered a full range system at the price. At the price point of the Core 59 especially I would expect them with a 9.5" woofer to extend further.
What you’re noticing here are the tradeoffs between ported and closed box designs.
Closed box designs don’t go as deep, but the low end they do have is much more accurate.
Seeing that the vast majority of rooms don’t reproduce 40Hz accurately, let alone 30, there are many situations in which a closed box design will have superior low end, even if that low end isn’t as deep.
If you do want a room that can accurately reproduce 30 and 40 HZ, you’re either going to have to spend a ton in acoustician design fees, construction and acoustic treatment, or you’re going to have to use subs to help get around the limitations of the room.
In my view, any speakers that go down to 50, and more ideally, 40 HZ are suitably full range for the majority of professional mixing contexts.
Many situations in which deeper range are needed can benefit from a sub, and most speakers of this size that go substantially lower are ported designs, which inherently have less accurate bass in the form of greater resonances and inferior low end transient response.
Sometimes looking at specs can mislead us by encouraging us to focus on one variable at the exclusion of other variables that may be even more important for our situation.
Everything in speaker design involves tradeoffs.
I hope that helps!
-Justin
@SonicScoop Thanks for the reply. I got a custom built room, although not acoustician built. With new inner shell etc with floor to ceiling GIK corner traps about 34 panels in total. Monstetraps, cloud, 8x 40hz GIK Scopus etc. I dont know how much bass that room can really tolerate as ive yet to measure the actual frequency response and time domain response in there. Anyhow the confusion for me regarding Core 59 is the Dynaudio specs says" Box Principle Front-loaded bass reflex" on all of the core series. I think youtube decided to eat my first reply as I can no longer see it.
I’m sorry, you’re right, they do have a small front port. I forgot! :-)
That said, there are similar tradeoffs within ported design for those same variables-just not to the same degree as the average ported vs non ported design.
Dynaudio isn’t the only brand to look at, if you prefer something that goes even deeper without a sub. I just wanted to add that there are tradeoffs with any good speaker design, and monitors should be evaluated in that context.
Once you get to a certain level of design quality, improving one area of performance almost always has a detrimental effect in some other area.
Good speaker selection is really about figuring out which tradeoffs make the best sense for your personal biases, needs and budget.
Ultimately, you’ve really got to hear some of these for yourself to decide! But I hope this helps give you a lay of the land.
I hope that helps!
-Justin
@@SonicScoop Thanks. I guess that means they are more tuned for accuracy than extension. So they are closer to a closed box design with less of a hump or inaccuracies near the port resonance. It makes more sense to me now.
Yes, I believe that is what they are going for, and I did find them to be remarkably fast and resonance free in the low end for a ported design. Enough so that I forgot they were ported for a moment just now! :-)
Have you tried Dynaudio monitors? What do you think?
►Big thanks to Dynaudio for supporting this channel. Support this channel yourself-at no cost-by clicking our affiliate link if you're interested in any new studio monitors: sweetwater.sjv.io/c/3177824/794166/11319?u=www.sweetwater.com/store/search.php?s=Dynaudio%20core%205
Ideally at least 4 subs in the four corners of the speaker wall
how are you justin? Do you already have the lineup? we will have engineer jason this year?
Hi Carlos, we don't have the completed lineup yet, no. Sorry! Hope to know more before long.
Very best,
Justin
So why get the 2way core when you could get the cheaper 3way LYD?
Answer in video :-)
This is one of the main questions that asked.
But you can get great results on the LYD as well, and for a lot of people, that route will make a lot of sense.
-Justin
@@SonicScoop I must have missed it, and I watched the whole video. I thought it went off on a tangent and was never answered. Do you mean the part he talks about style of music and use for dialogue ?
Assuming the drivers and electronics on the LYD are not far behind the core i can not see how a two way speaker could be better than a three way one.
@@SonicScoop
I watched again and sorry but there is no answer to that question.
He compared the three way LYD with the two way LYD and that makes sense since the two way is cheaper so that is a factor. Then you talk about the benefits of three way and I completely agree.Then you talked about subs.
But what the extra $800 will get you for a two way Core instead of the three way LYD ?
@@SonicScoop I have to say I'm a bit disappointed to receive the silent treatment but I can understand both the diplomatic answer and the silence after it.
My aim was not to undermine one speaker over the other and perhaps you felt I was forcing you to do that but that was really not my aim.
I just do not buy into two drivers good for hip hop, three for the voice answer he gave.
Yes the Core has better electronics and bigger amps but still to me that is not enough to justify getting that over the much cheaper three way driver speaker that uses the same family of drivers as the Core.
There is simply no acoustic benefit to justify it. He even made that clear. I was hoping you had a better explenation.
Hey Peter, I can't keep up with all my TH-cam comments in real time unfortunately! Here's the gist:
The Core series has higher SPL which is necessary to meet spec for ATMOS setups that require higher SPLs at greater distances. They put out even more level with even less distortion.
The Core series have digital inputs with onboard conversion so there is one less stage of conversion to access the onboard DSP for time alignment and the like.
They have an even more robust box design with mounting screws for hanging from walls and stands which is essential in a lot of ATMOS and surround setups.
They have even further improved drivers and their latest tuning for further improved transient and frequency response.
When you get to this level of high end, it's often about paying 2x more for maybe 20% improvements around the edges. For A lot of people in music, the LYD and and BM series are likely to be the better fit. But for people who want to spare no expense and get the "best" available, this kind of series is meant to be that.
Hope that helps!
-Justin
thanks for recommending every single monitor as if its the best monitor. thanks for recommending every single headphones as if its the best headphones in the world. thanks for recommending every single product you touch and received for free. it helps a lot;) great channel. adding it to my" sponsored, hit skip " list. I appreciate you. I learn what not to buy;)
I legit do think basically every major studio monitor brand is the best studio monitor - *for someone*.
Dynaudio, Adam, Kali, Neumann, Barefoot, HEDD, etc… ALL of them make great speakers that will be the best choice for *someone*.
If they didn’t, they wouldn’t be nearly as successful!
The bottom line is that monitor choices are extremely personal.
If you give 5 different monitors to 5 different people, you’re likely to get 5 different opinions on which sound best.
My job is to help tell the story of each good brand’s stuff as fairly and fully as possible, so people who will probably like their stuff can find them.
Do I have my personal preferences on each brand mentioned? YES. And in appropriate situations, I express my personal preferences.
But sharing my personal preferences is NOWHERE NEAR AS IMPORTANT as helping the viewer figure out what the best monitors for THEM are likely to be.
To do that, I have to give each brand a fair shake and help them tell the best and truest version of their story.
And to get the video clicked on, I have to have a clickable title. Asking a provocative question is one way to do that. And hey-it worked on you!
Are the Core 5 the best new compact studio monitors?
These certainly are some of the highest end compact studio monitors to come out this year at over $3k for the pair.
Are they extremely high quality to the point where they can justify that price?
Yes.
Are they the “best”? That’s up to whether or not they best suit your tastes, biases, and needs.
That’s what this video is here to help you discover. And it does a darn good job of it, if I don’t say so myself.
If you want to learn everything you’d want to know about Dynaudio-one of the most popular studio monitor brands in the industry-find me a video that does it better!
Very best,
-Justin