As someone who uses an omnitank the assign decoy effect hardly affected me since my pot hound is usually far away from my omnitank and the assigned “far savior” is typically in between the pot hound and the next pot. Overall the assigned decoy can be worked around but you MUST remember how it works at ALL times during the match.
I don't think playing him as a save IS a good way to use him. He is mainly a huge debuff provider, i think is better to stay with his original C skill to free the slot of Gatekeeper
in an ironic twist is läraðer more terrifying in arena. i had to face him and drunk snake 3 out of 5 attempt to get the 2 wins for daily arena feathers today and that was with just random units i use for tempest trials so they are not the usual just for scoring bad units and i physically couldn't beat him or snake period. no waiting to get attacked no trying to get them into good positions and that when i was using good units. i don't even want to know how bad it gets when you have to face these high scoring units with crapy grail units as it's not just about surviving but doing damage
@@hanzou1238 marni? it's not about surviving thats easy with her, but you just don't do damage. i already did lose some arena matches with my invincible marni against other invincible units. ai doesn't need to beat your units to win is a real lose condition with how broken overdesigned modern units get
Tbh exactly what I thought, it's easy to counter, and can even work against you if the support has higher defence than the omnitank. His weapon condition with > 25% HP is detrimental against Sigurd and AOE Felix. I still pulled for him anyway since shield fighter makes him a decent front liner even with his weapon not activating. I imagine we will be getting a unit that gives out Gotoh's AOE dmg reduction soon to specifically counter Sigurd.
The Abyssal map was brutal. Had to pull out Ninja Lucina and Windsweep to cheese the fight. Didn’t get Emblem Sigurd… he didn’t show up when I summoned for him… and it’s kinda dumb how long it took Ninja Lucina to kill the two but mainly Nidhogger on Abyssal. Thank god for fatal smoke effect
Did you not pick up shield fighter Edelgard from hof? Genuinely curious as she has been as good as advertised for me. Also, did you break into your piggybank lol? I feel like you're usually as reserved as dtm about summoning, yet you have N!Lucina + tree man.
1- I did. 2- I'm not necessarily reserved about summoning, but I am reserved about spending money. I had saved up around 350~ orbs for Laeradr's banner since I thought he was going to be a must pull. I had enough orbs to snag him and a Pjazi to give him a skill upgrade.
@tacho9427 fair enough. I know this vid was all about testing groots best use, sorry he's not living up to yours (+ most people's) hopes lol. Great vid as usual Tacho!
Since ninja Diamant doesnt own prf skills I gave him NCD echo. The recent legendary banner gave me 4 copies of Adcended Eerika On my way to get 1 Heidrun. He can’t be attacked by staves and it enables him massively against this new threat
Kinda feels like on paper messing up your save tanking strategy by making other units who aren't meant for tanking into save tanks may seem big it it doesn't feel as big given the fact that Embla exists who already makes save tanking a bad idea.
i get the point about keeping gatekeeper but personally, i’d rather have a save unit that i know will survive multiple combats. i haven’t pulled on the banner yet but i will say that considering how his gimmick works, i’m glad there is counter play to it. it’s a bit annoying to continually watch your units but i mean it’s not the end if the world. the reason his gimmick works is because of the amount of units that you can bring to ar offense. obviously you don’t want to bring less units, but bringing them makes your non-tanks more vulnerable. so he’s better on an all-out-offensive team than a tanky team. that’s why i think he’s better on a team where he isn’t save tanking. if only he wasn’t an armor
I dont have Shildfighter fodder for him, but he has the gatrie precharge effect so normal hardy fighter 3 works on turn 1 as well. And he actually has better bulk with it
I pulled him not on purpose though. I'm gonna try a setup with him base kit and have Brave Soren use assign decoy on him for savior. Hopefully it pans out.
Honestly, I think the most broken defenses we will see is with finding a way for him to keep his C slot. Ik you don't seem to be a fan of it, but I think time will reveal some of those unbearable defenses (likely only amongst the top ~100 AR-D players). I can think of a few setup examples, but can't/won't test it as I refuse to use that unit and ruin people's days XD
Thay first match, laeredr put in work, it's just not obvious like Sigurd or felix is. The reason sigurd had such an easy time is because laeredr forced out specific positioning and teams. I will admit there seems to be "some" (limited to mostly attuned timerra) counterplay to laeredr, but he is still insanely obonoxious in what he enables. Also, that team is far from the most obnoxious thing I've seen with laeredr, I've seen some nasty stuff cooked up with him.
@tacho9427 the timerra/Sigurd matchup is very deceptive and depends a lot on the support each of them have. Tree dude acts like embla, forcing the supports away from the tanks/saves making the match up much easier for units like Sigurd/Felix to win those matchups they otherwise would likely lose.
I don't wanna sling anything before actually using him (or encountering him since he's not even in season yet) but this definitely doesn't seem like the way
hey tacho, big and long time fan here! I want to look into the competitive gamemodes of feh but idk where to start. idk how all scoring stuff goes and I understand nothing ngl. when I try to find videos about scoring, all I find videos from the
I would keep Groot man native C skill to avoid warping. Doing that and providing assign decoy makes him useful enough already since he discourages both BFelix and the use of saves heavily. That would free you the slot Gatekeeper is using for something else, like brave FRobin for an extra dose of turbo Cancer.
I thought about Robin, but she doesn't work. I can't set up my rally trap with her since all my units get forced into having +6 to everything between her and Freyr
@@tacho9427 Then instead, you could try and put someone like YEmerinn or BLapis if you have them, with the Celica ring. Lapis is super tanky and survives most combats, and Emerynn has dazzling staff so she is likely to survive (+ groot inflicts flash). Both of those units enable unconditional wom to everyone, making the team super oppresive and forcing the foe to act fast rather than wait turns, making mistakes in the process. After their combat, both Sigurd and Lucia warp in destroying at least half the enemy team. I had Lapis in my defense for months and that strat has been incredibly successful so far.
I never thought that either of these mythics were good. I intentionally did the Mythic hero battle with a save team and cleared it easily since assign decoy wasn't hard to work around. I also love all the people who just throw Timerra up front. They gave me 5 easy wins this week since she can't survive Felix.
Is it bad to just think that "Yeah he's mid in the gamemode he's meant for but insanely annoying in Arena/SD" should be the popular thought but people see def mythic and say "Well players wouldn't put him anywhere else! He's a defense mythic!" Like... I saw him in Arena 3 times today.... so annoying...
I feel like Tree man would be better on offense really messing the defense up, and Snake Lady on defense, with protection againt Nergal, healing, being a wall. Tree man feels better with Sturdy beast, or maybe a future res version of that, but sturdy beast is very premium and on good heroes already They are both weak against E!Sigurd, but beside that most other AoE users cannot even deal the 1 damage to finish snake lady off 😅, tree man is less sturdy and just weak to most AoE users.
I don't like him, just because I keep getting screwed over by that save effect. Can't tell you how many times I've had my Peony jump in to take a hit for my Nemesis or Corrin because of tree man.
I mean tbh he's not meant to be far saviour tho he wasn't designed for that. He's main thing is his unique effect + the huge debuffs he inflicts I feel like since it's the first time people are using him he's still not that used so we didn't see his full potential yet. Although he's definitely a strong menace reining chaos in arena and summoner duels tho haha.
This video is REALLY biased, wich is weird since you normally do very grounded videos. Truth is, both are REALLY strong LOW investment, for people that are starting the game they are REALLY good, obviously if you have some good tanks +10 with 10 transferred skills they gonna be better. But they out of the bat are crazy strong.
Well yeah, if you're new to the game then of course they're strong out of the box. He's a defense mythic hero though, so I'm going to talk about how he works on defense.
I don't know why you'd want to abandon wood man's prf skills to make him into a mediocre near save when you could instead just ditch gatekeeper and use a much stronger unkillable near save like Marni instead of trying to force wood man to do what he wasn't really designed for at all.
I mean... the only fight we lost was because I don't have Canto Curb. Replacing Gatekeeper for another armored unit only doubles down on that weakness.
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Bro: *Tanks survived the apocalypse!*
Aldo bro: *DOESN’T RUN BARRICADE AND BRINGS GATEKEEPER*
My brother in Christ, replacing laraedrs c skill and then running gatekeeper is such an inefficient use of team slots.
So replace Gatekeeper for an Armor? Not worth
@@tacho9427you prob the biggest gatekeeper glazer that i know. Lile geez get off the meat man.
FJorm with nilh needs a buff@@tacho9427
As someone who uses an omnitank the assign decoy effect hardly affected me since my pot hound is usually far away from my omnitank and the assigned “far savior” is typically in between the pot hound and the next pot.
Overall the assigned decoy can be worked around but you MUST remember how it works at ALL times during the match.
Yeah, its basically a scrub killer. If you're paying attention, its not that bad to play around
I don't think playing him as a save IS a good way to use him.
He is mainly a huge debuff provider, i think is better to stay with his original C skill to free the slot of Gatekeeper
Nah, one of the first things I tried was running him with base kit and no Gatekeeper. That team didn't even make it passed initial testing.
@tacho9427 strange... The need to have a 4 range anti-warp effect on melee instead of 3 is that important?
@@tacho9427 Elaborate this "initial testing", TACHO. The community demands answers! 🧐
@@nhoriel No, its Canto Curb that's important. If I take Gatekeeper off, the team can't run it
@@ThermalVoid Me attacking the defense with all sorts of different offense teams lol
Happy to have gotten Felicia ice, as she has Null C in drive for her allies
Yeah that may start to come in handy a lot now
@@tacho9427 Especially now with Nidhoggr, Nergal is no longer a problem
in an ironic twist is läraðer more terrifying in arena. i had to face him and drunk snake 3 out of 5 attempt to get the 2 wins for daily arena feathers today and that was with just random units i use for tempest trials so they are not the usual just for scoring bad units and i physically couldn't beat him or snake period. no waiting to get attacked no trying to get them into good positions and that when i was using good units. i don't even want to know how bad it gets when you have to face these high scoring units with crapy grail units as it's not just about surviving but doing damage
I feel like a well built Marni or Panette could deal with them pretty easily.
@@hanzou1238 marni? it's not about surviving thats easy with her, but you just don't do damage. i already did lose some arena matches with my invincible marni against other invincible units. ai doesn't need to beat your units to win is a real lose condition with how broken overdesigned modern units get
Gatekeeper comes back to be that guy
He's still the GOAT lol
We've gotten a bunch of warp bubble alternatives and we still always come back to him in the end
Tbh exactly what I thought, it's easy to counter, and can even work against you if the support has higher defence than the omnitank. His weapon condition with > 25% HP is detrimental against Sigurd and AOE Felix.
I still pulled for him anyway since shield fighter makes him a decent front liner even with his weapon not activating. I imagine we will be getting a unit that gives out Gotoh's AOE dmg reduction soon to specifically counter Sigurd.
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I'm so glad you said all that about canto curb. I've never seen it on any units since it came out, so I still use end turn units.
The Abyssal map was brutal. Had to pull out Ninja Lucina and Windsweep to cheese the fight. Didn’t get Emblem Sigurd… he didn’t show up when I summoned for him… and it’s kinda dumb how long it took Ninja Lucina to kill the two but mainly Nidhogger on Abyssal. Thank god for fatal smoke effect
Once you tune up your defense, you will be impressed by him
Probably not still, all the wins so far were thanks to Sigurd and not him
Did you not pick up shield fighter Edelgard from hof? Genuinely curious as she has been as good as advertised for me.
Also, did you break into your piggybank lol? I feel like you're usually as reserved as dtm about summoning, yet you have N!Lucina + tree man.
1- I did.
2- I'm not necessarily reserved about summoning, but I am reserved about spending money. I had saved up around 350~ orbs for Laeradr's banner since I thought he was going to be a must pull. I had enough orbs to snag him and a Pjazi to give him a skill upgrade.
@tacho9427 fair enough. I know this vid was all about testing groots best use, sorry he's not living up to yours (+ most people's) hopes lol.
Great vid as usual Tacho!
Since ninja Diamant doesnt own prf skills I gave him NCD echo. The recent legendary banner gave me 4 copies of Adcended Eerika On my way to get 1 Heidrun. He can’t be attacked by staves and it enables him massively against this new threat
Kinda feels like on paper messing up your save tanking strategy by making other units who aren't meant for tanking into save tanks may seem big it it doesn't feel as big given the fact that Embla exists who already makes save tanking a bad idea.
i get the point about keeping gatekeeper but personally, i’d rather have a save unit that i know will survive multiple combats. i haven’t pulled on the banner yet but i will say that considering how his gimmick works, i’m glad there is counter play to it. it’s a bit annoying to continually watch your units but i mean it’s not the end if the world. the reason his gimmick works is because of the amount of units that you can bring to ar offense. obviously you don’t want to bring less units, but bringing them makes your non-tanks more vulnerable. so he’s better on an all-out-offensive team than a tanky team. that’s why i think he’s better on a team where he isn’t save tanking. if only he wasn’t an armor
Tree daddy makes tanking harder for the average player. Lot more things to think about and prep for.
I dont have Shildfighter fodder for him, but he has the gatrie precharge effect so normal hardy fighter 3 works on turn 1 as well. And he actually has better bulk with it
I pulled him not on purpose though. I'm gonna try a setup with him base kit and have Brave Soren use assign decoy on him for savior. Hopefully it pans out.
I use him as a defensive Gatekeeper along with separate near and far savers. Seems solid for me.
Honestly, I think the most broken defenses we will see is with finding a way for him to keep his C slot. Ik you don't seem to be a fan of it, but I think time will reveal some of those unbearable defenses (likely only amongst the top ~100 AR-D players). I can think of a few setup examples, but can't/won't test it as I refuse to use that unit and ruin people's days XD
Lucina on D is kinda sus tho. Its so hard to get her assist off with ai and she just runs it down and ints
Yeah, I've immediately dropped her from the defense I've been testing. She's really meh as a unit unless she gets her future vision swap buff.
i’m sure there’s a way to make her work but at that point you’re revolving the defense around her and if that fails then the team falls apart.
Thay first match, laeredr put in work, it's just not obvious like Sigurd or felix is.
The reason sigurd had such an easy time is because laeredr forced out specific positioning and teams.
I will admit there seems to be "some" (limited to mostly attuned timerra) counterplay to laeredr, but he is still insanely obonoxious in what he enables. Also, that team is far from the most obnoxious thing I've seen with laeredr, I've seen some nasty stuff cooked up with him.
Idk, to me it looked like Sigurd was going to blow that Timerra away regardless of anything.
Next season will be the real test
@tacho9427 the timerra/Sigurd matchup is very deceptive and depends a lot on the support each of them have.
Tree dude acts like embla, forcing the supports away from the tanks/saves making the match up much easier for units like Sigurd/Felix to win those matchups they otherwise would likely lose.
I don't wanna sling anything before actually using him (or encountering him since he's not even in season yet) but this definitely doesn't seem like the way
hey tacho, big and long time fan here! I want to look into the competitive gamemodes of feh but idk where to start. idk how all scoring stuff goes and I understand nothing ngl. when I try to find videos about scoring, all I find videos from the
Scoring hasn't changed for any of the major modes, so even those older videos are giving accurate information to today's game.
I would keep Groot man native C skill to avoid warping. Doing that and providing assign decoy makes him useful enough already since he discourages both BFelix and the use of saves heavily. That would free you the slot Gatekeeper is using for something else, like brave FRobin for an extra dose of turbo Cancer.
I thought about Robin, but she doesn't work. I can't set up my rally trap with her since all my units get forced into having +6 to everything between her and Freyr
@@tacho9427 Then instead, you could try and put someone like YEmerinn or BLapis if you have them, with the Celica ring.
Lapis is super tanky and survives most combats, and Emerynn has dazzling staff so she is likely to survive (+ groot inflicts flash). Both of those units enable unconditional wom to everyone, making the team super oppresive and forcing the foe to act fast rather than wait turns, making mistakes in the process. After their combat, both Sigurd and Lucia warp in destroying at least half the enemy team.
I had Lapis in my defense for months and that strat has been incredibly successful so far.
I never thought that either of these mythics were good. I intentionally did the Mythic hero battle with a save team and cleared it easily since assign decoy wasn't hard to work around.
I also love all the people who just throw Timerra up front. They gave me 5 easy wins this week since she can't survive Felix.
Ok.
Is it bad to just think that "Yeah he's mid in the gamemode he's meant for but insanely annoying in Arena/SD" should be the popular thought but people see def mythic and say "Well players wouldn't put him anywhere else! He's a defense mythic!" Like... I saw him in Arena 3 times today.... so annoying...
Good afternoon Tacho, how’s your day so far?
Pretty good. And yours?
@@tacho9427 I'm glad yours is good! Mine is okay for now
I feel like Tree man would be better on offense really messing the defense up, and Snake Lady on defense, with protection againt Nergal, healing, being a wall.
Tree man feels better with Sturdy beast, or maybe a future res version of that, but sturdy beast is very premium and on good heroes already
They are both weak against E!Sigurd, but beside that most other AoE users cannot even deal the 1 damage to finish snake lady off 😅, tree man is less sturdy and just weak to most AoE users.
In Aether Raids they may be manageable. But boy is that pair annoying in summoner duels
I don't like him, just because I keep getting screwed over by that save effect. Can't tell you how many times I've had my Peony jump in to take a hit for my Nemesis or Corrin because of tree man.
I mean tbh he's not meant to be far saviour tho he wasn't designed for that.
He's main thing is his unique effect + the huge debuffs he inflicts I feel like since it's the first time people are using him he's still not that used so we didn't see his full potential yet.
Although he's definitely a strong menace reining chaos in arena and summoner duels tho haha.
This video is REALLY biased, wich is weird since you normally do very grounded videos. Truth is, both are REALLY strong LOW investment, for people that are starting the game they are REALLY good, obviously if you have some good tanks +10 with 10 transferred skills they gonna be better. But they out of the bat are crazy strong.
Well yeah, if you're new to the game then of course they're strong out of the box.
He's a defense mythic hero though, so I'm going to talk about how he works on defense.
I don't know why you'd want to abandon wood man's prf skills to make him into a mediocre near save when you could instead just ditch gatekeeper and use a much stronger unkillable near save like Marni instead of trying to force wood man to do what he wasn't really designed for at all.
I mean... the only fight we lost was because I don't have Canto Curb. Replacing Gatekeeper for another armored unit only doubles down on that weakness.
MIDhogger was swiftly defeated by my Emblem Sigurd, Brave Chrom, and Duo Sharena team. Glad i'm saving up for christmas banner!