@@Louckinhotrickster is better higher rating just because overall it's more viable with cdr and constant pressure so overall better not better in terms of burst
Update if you were wondering why yesterday you felt like you were doing no damage it was a bug blizzard has went in and fixed it you should be doing damage now
Good guide.. noob question but just made a Rogue! Whats the best spec to lvl ? Whats the most effective way to play when lvling? Rotation etc..short guide pls 😮😅
Why do send Secret tech as the first finisher? You have way less stacks of danse macabre. Also, why symbols after secret tech? You pick talents to buff tech after symbols
You get a debuff when you symbols which makes your next eviderate or secret tech do alot more damage.The reason u don't use one for secret tech is your burst automatically gives you symbols so you really doing it for the debuff for bigger damage on eviserate
Pretty much just are doing the same thing except obviously you'll be 1 globle behind really just the first secret tech and eviserate is all u need to get off during your rotation and you should dismember who ever during that time
So when you use your burst it automatically puts the debuff on however it could also be ok to use it on your burst if your having trouble for the extra % so either way works really your just using more symbols
So yes you can use it on secret tech I usually do it for the debuff specifically for evis so you get them fat eviserates back to back but either one works
Mainly for big eviserates back to back otherwise your using 3 symbols on 1 go you can do it on secret aswell but since flag is getting nerfed this build won't be so good anymore today
Bcs then symbols of death timer will run out before you done all ur burst, its on a 10 second window and each dance go you do is only 8 seconds. With cc + all globals timers you wont use the most out of it. Prob just minmaxing the effeciacy
When you use shadow dance macro it'll automatically give you the debuff that you want and you won't benefit off it until you need to eviserate you can try it out and see if you see a difference
You're wasting the finality buff on the second evis, because you start your burst with 3 deathstalker marks. Simply rupture before that, then you'll have 2 marks instead, so Secret Tech + Evi = 0 marks and now you get Darkest Night Evi + Finality buff + use Tea for max mastery + use Dark brew for more DPS > got 6.5M-7.5M evi on dummy And no Thief's Bargain was BiS before the patch because of Vanish CDR but now it's completely useless because Flag & Blades should always be synced, there's not a time where you'd ever cast Blades without Flag so having CDR on one but not the other is useless
You'll probably get more burst out of it but if you go to Bursty you'll only have a singler go and you'll be useless having burst is good but you also need to have damage on off goes trickster overall is probably better for higher rated games but I'll check out that build
Hmm weird I'll check it out you have to click it twice usually in combat for some reason it doesn't just automatically do it on the first go since there both technically globle
Yeah highest I hit was 4.6 on a target dummy I've seen people hit around 3-4mil but that's getting a perfect opener and hitting a cloth so it really depends good shit tho
@@alanbertels7398I've seen people hit 3-4mil on actual players so I can definitely see someone with bis hitting 5-8 mil obviously your not gonna hit that on real players but still massive burst
@@keysi7558 yup, its nerfed. But rotation works well with rupture. I had nice numbers and game started to lag. Think its working better than Sepsis build anyway.
@@xvic2234 yeah ur delusional af kid. rogue is was and will be the best class for pvp ever. if u say something else ur just a complete clown trolling and praying for more buffs and no nerfs just like whaaz the fkn cnt.
Do you guys want to see a guide on trickster build next?
Is trickster better ? Whaaz is playin it
Would love to, I saw yesterday both Kalvish and Nahj is running trickster atm on their SoloShuffle sub rogues
@@Louckinhotrickster is better higher rating just because overall it's more viable with cdr and constant pressure so overall better not better in terms of burst
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@@xvic2234 for solo shuffle what u recommend
Great work as always!
thanks glad you enjoyed the video
Thanks Vic! You make it looks so easy bro!
Yeah it's pretty basic obviously it can definitely be a pain in a real match but once you get it down it's light work
Waiting for this after the rework, thanks man!
So rn either sub is bugged or it got shadow nerfed meaning they nerfed it without telling anyone
People went from doing insane DMG to all the sudden worse then before the re work
Update if you were wondering why yesterday you felt like you were doing no damage it was a bug blizzard has went in and fixed it you should be doing damage now
@@xvic2234 thanks man
When you're using Fire-Eater's Vial, you stop auto attacking during the fire breathing animation. Good to know if you like to Minmax
thats pretty sick
@@xvic2234it sucks, cuz it looks badass, cheers for a great guide 😎
perfect timing bro😊
yesir I gotchu
Good guide.. noob question but just made a Rogue! Whats the best spec to lvl ? Whats the most effective way to play when lvling? Rotation etc..short guide pls 😮😅
Assassination
@@xvic2234 oh i thought sub was better 😅 ty
Why do send Secret tech as the first finisher? You have way less stacks of danse macabre. Also, why symbols after secret tech? You pick talents to buff tech after symbols
You get a debuff when you symbols which makes your next eviderate or secret tech do alot more damage.The reason u don't use one for secret tech is your burst automatically gives you symbols so you really doing it for the debuff for bigger damage on eviserate
@@xvic2234 how does our burst give symbols automatically?
What about orc passive? How rotation changes? (I hate orc passive so much)
with orc rotation you want to kidney before the go instead of cheap, So farm 5 combos kidney first
Pretty much just are doing the same thing except obviously you'll be 1 globle behind really just the first secret tech and eviserate is all u need to get off during your rotation and you should dismember who ever during that time
Ty for guide mate, what do u think after patch assa vs sub for PvP?
as of rn sub by far both trickster and death stalker out do assass 10 fold
do you not want to symbols for secret tech? is it not worth to proc the 2 set and get a super charged secret tech?
So when you use your burst it automatically puts the debuff on however it could also be ok to use it on your burst if your having trouble for the extra % so either way works really your just using more symbols
So yes you can use it on secret tech I usually do it for the debuff specifically for evis so you get them fat eviserates back to back but either one works
@@xvic2234 gotcha ty bro
They definitely don’t want the x 1v1 now 😂
True that they remember what shadow lands Xvic did to them
Hey man, do u have a video showing your macros?
is this one good for bg blitz too or is it just arena ? great video thank you for this beautiful guide.
Good for everything obviously in blitz id run theifs bargen to get blades back quickly but otherwise definitely viable and good
Thinking of coming back and just picking rogue for a laugh. Never played it. How tough is it?
Do you stream?
Nah I don't stream currently but right now I'd say if u can get the burst rotation down and do a bit of cc on the healer you'll be fine
@@xvic2234 it looks quite button intensive the rotation compared to what I remember.
Why are you doign symbols after secret for the opener? when the 2set buffs secret when u use symbols beforehand?
wondering this exact thing, symbols is 10 sec buff and makes no sense to trigger after secret.
Mainly for big eviserates back to back otherwise your using 3 symbols on 1 go you can do it on secret aswell but since flag is getting nerfed this build won't be so good anymore today
Bro, i dont understand why the combo points refresh atfer the Eviscerate.
it just happens rng not a thing you can 100% garuntee
It may be coming from the Shadowcraft talent, but I could be wrong
Hey I have been trying to contact you, but your discord invite is invalid. I need some help and willing to pay.
Xvic is my discord
was there any fixes to rogue??? Mine evis are going maximum for 1,5mln damage on crit and around 500-700 for non crit.
pretty sure it was shadow nerfed or bugged they didin't offically say anything but it was def nerfed
why are we not using symbols for secret tech in the opener?
Bcs then symbols of death timer will run out before you done all ur burst, its on a 10 second window and each dance go you do is only 8 seconds. With cc + all globals timers you wont use the most out of it. Prob just minmaxing the effeciacy
When you use shadow dance macro it'll automatically give you the debuff that you want and you won't benefit off it until you need to eviserate you can try it out and see if you see a difference
You're wasting the finality buff on the second evis, because you start your burst with 3 deathstalker marks. Simply rupture before that, then you'll have 2 marks instead, so Secret Tech + Evi = 0 marks and now you get Darkest Night Evi + Finality buff + use Tea for max mastery + use Dark brew for more DPS > got 6.5M-7.5M evi on dummy
And no Thief's Bargain was BiS before the patch because of Vanish CDR but now it's completely useless because Flag & Blades should always be synced, there's not a time where you'd ever cast Blades without Flag so having CDR on one but not the other is useless
You'll probably get more burst out of it but if you go to Bursty you'll only have a singler go and you'll be useless having burst is good but you also need to have damage on off goes trickster overall is probably better for higher rated games but I'll check out that build
how do u see ur overcharged combo pts
hmm im not sure ik its something in game you have to turn it on and itll show
hİ bro shadowmeld macro didnt work :(
Hmm weird I'll check it out you have to click it twice usually in combat for some reason it doesn't just automatically do it on the first go since there both technically globle
Still the go with flag nerf?
You arent using your 2pc bonus if you arent pressing symbols before secret tech.
yeah nah I don't press it on secret only for eviserates so u can hit fat eviserates back to back depnds on what you face
Discord link seems stale
ill relink it every few days the sht goes invalid its dumb
how do you evis into evis
talent: Shadowcraft - lets you use stored combo points from shadow techniques, the sub passive
I got BIS gear.. same rotation my shit hits for 8 millin
how do you hit for 8 million do u mean 8 million in total ?
@@alanbertels7398 yeah.. my shit soft
@@alanbertels7398 max crit 1.2millin evis
in arena against mail
Yeah highest I hit was 4.6 on a target dummy I've seen people hit around 3-4mil but that's getting a perfect opener and hitting a cloth so it really depends good shit tho
@@alanbertels7398I've seen people hit 3-4mil on actual players so I can definitely see someone with bis hitting 5-8 mil obviously your not gonna hit that on real players but still massive burst
But top players are playing trickster and weapon master talent from sub tree
both builds were shadow nerfed people only hitting 1mil eviserates and doing pretty terrible damage overall
I swear I just got old this game is becoming kinda complicated lately.
Doing the same rotation same talents even have a 4 set but I am gettin 1.5m grits. I have a better gear then you too
You are doing something wrong, i did 2.5M before 2nd target, 590ilvl. Must be a 2.5M crit
@@arnymon9340 I honestly think they nerfed it. Can you try it again and let me know
@@keysi7558 yup, its nerfed. But rotation works well with rupture. I had nice numbers and game started to lag. Think its working better than Sepsis build anyway.
@@arnymon9340 damn i have been busting my ass all day thinking i was doing something wrong. That dummy is tired of me pounding him all day
@@keysi7558 yea, something was wrong with ele also. Took me hour to find two basic rotations when i realized its fixed lol So you are not only one
yeah nice stun gaps noob . rogue takes 0 skill. WTB ROGUE NERFS
It was most likely nerfed already shadow nerfed or is currently bugged so you don't have to buy a nerf it's already worse then before the rework
@@xvic2234 yeah ur delusional af kid. rogue is was and will be the best class for pvp ever. if u say something else ur just a complete clown trolling and praying for more buffs and no nerfs just like whaaz the fkn cnt.