Kamila Valieva VS Empress Lisa’s Lutz Edge Jump Analysis - Finlandia Trophy 2021
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- Here's a long overdue lutz jump analysis video that I should've uploaded a week ago 😅, work has been keeping me busy but let's try my absolute best to stay consistent on TH-cam!
So let's dive deep into the lutz edges happening at the Finlandia Trophy 2021, featuring the 3 medalists: 🥇Kamila Valieva, 🥈Elizaveta Tuktamysheva and 🥉Alena Kostornaia.
🇬🇧 This video isn’t made to denigrate the skaters and their great achievement, it’s purely for entertainment purposes only.
🇷🇺 Это видео создано не для того, чтобы очернить фигуристов и их великие достижения, а исключительно в развлекательных целях.
🇯🇵 この動画は、スケーターとその素晴らしい業績を軽蔑するために作成されたものではなく、純粋に娯楽目的のみを目的としています。
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How a 2.25 rotation jump from Kamila counts as a triple baffles me. However at least she has an outside edge unlike Daria.
Liza Lutz is vastly underscored. she deserves a much much higher score. Aliona's Lutz is solid. Kamila's jump is the Loop in the best case 3/4 pre-rotation and the same score as Liza. unbelievable.
Even for a loop 3/4 rotation is already bad technique. Her lutz is just ugly plus combine with that edge wiggle before the 3T, that 1.77 GOE is undeserved if Liza also got the same.
@@yohanes2034 agreed 100 %
@@yohanes2034 that is no wiggle. Kamila always does this jerking thing after her first jump in a combination. She’s a beautiful skater but her coaches need to fix that
@@matthildamilito5962 I know😭. I really hope kamila stays longer. She’s so young and so amazing. I hope trusova looks out for the other young girls because she is differently staying long term. Trusova doesn’t look super skinny like Anna, who I really hope is doing ok.
So why all judges in all countries , at every competition are not listening to you? Ah yes- you are in TH-cam expert
Kamila's technique is a wreck. She absolutely fell apart between the jumps in combo. Liza had the same combination and it's just another league. Coaches pushing kamila too hard, crushing her potential with squeezing instead of proper pacing.
What you describe as "fall apart" is a suspension and there is simply nothing wrong with it. We can discuss why she uses that kind of suspension but since you describe it that way, you clearly show you have no idea about figure skating.
@@luigib3076 posture wreck and substitutional helicopter swing to take off are not suspension.
@@queenofnevers6990 you are simply talking about things you don't know only basing it on your taste.
@@luigib3076 seems like it's other way round
@@queenofnevers6990 then please tell me why she does not receive a negative GOE on the combinations. I will be glad to forward your message to the federation, so that we can enrich the judgement system according to your better knowledge
1) Liza should've had the highest GOE, her lutz is textbook just like Queen Yuna
2) Aliona's should've had at least a ! for unclear edge, but overall she did good in terms of minimizing prerotation
3) Kamila's prerotation is crazy here, same as Alysa Liu. Her technique got a bit better by this year, but the wobbly edge change is still there
kamila GOE 1.79?? are they blind???
Valieva's tecnique on triples 🤮
That Liza got the same GOE as Kamilla that does a Flutz, and less than Kostornaia that has a flat edge is an insult to this sport.
Have you watched the video? Flutz is at the inner edge, and at the Kamila it is external, as it should be. Kamila mistake when she kicks off with a tooth on her right foot. She has an almost full blade repulsion. Do not disgrace yourself and learn what Flutz is.
@@coldsteel9061 so it is a Lootz instead
@@santiagovelamorales1029 Failure to push off the right toe is not a Flutz. It's not nearly as bad as the inside edge of the blade on the left leg, called the Flutz. Kamila has an outer rib - as it should be. The materiel should be studied by some.
@@coldsteel9061 but this is not a toepick at all. The Lutz needs both things to be scored properly, a deep outside edge and a toepick. I didn't say it is a flutz, because the flip also requires only a toepick as assistance for the take off, and both jump have better marks when they have 1/2 prerotation or less
@@santiagovelamorales1029 I contacted the author of the post. He doesn't know what Flutz is. I can also see the error when pushing off with an almost full blade of the right leg. But this is not as severely punished as a wrong rib. The judges do not punish this so severely.
I feel like all of Eteri's skaters used to have the same bad lutz jump technique where they would sort of swerve into it and shift from an outside edge into an inside edge and then take off with a full blade assist and a lot of prerotation. This is interesting because both Kamila and Aliona are Eteri skaters and they both have problems with their lutz but they definitely don't have the same problems with their lutz. Aliona has an unclear edge/flat but everything else is good. This probably why she has a good flip jump where you want a shallow inside edge as opposed to a deep outside edge as well as the minimal prerotation, a toepick assist and overall clean jump. Kami actually has a beautiful deep outside edge and a clean landing with a lot of speed exiting the jump but she excessively prerotates and slams her full blade onto the ice when she takes off. I wonder why this is.
Once again, another amazing video! 👏👏👏👍
Elizaveta proves, once again, why she is The Empress! 💖👑🇷🇺⛸👏 Give her the GOE she deserves on her lutzes! They're textbook perfect!! 🥰💯✅
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1:02 oh my gosh the music is on point for the empress
Why does ISU allow this type of bad technique to exist??
Kostornaia doesn't have the textbook edge prior to takeoff. It is a biomechanics thing. But her 3Lutz is solid. I would say it is the best jump of the three here. Eliza's jump, if it were not a combo jump, how would the 3Lutz have turned out I wonder.
I love your channel!
This made my day, thank you ☺️
Так вот из-за чего эти паузы у валиевой постоянно в каскадах, из-аа недокрутов)))))
So the second is much better than the first.
Aliona FLUTZ
the ISU judges need to watch these kinds of youtube videos, so they can learn from youtubers lol. Or ISU should start paying judges so they can't be bought/bribed by the russian govt.
as long as its outside edge I think thats all that matters.
Kami’s 3 lutz is a double actually given the egregious on-ice rotation. Crazy
And that's probably why quads are fine for her, because really they can be like triples
@@wheniwatchtheworldburn3184 uh no. Her quad salchow and toe loop jumps are legit.
And quads are only triples. It's about Kami&Anna. Quad-lady is only Trusova. But she rated lower then they. Judging system discredites itself AT ALL.
@@wheniwatchtheworldburn3184 nope. Her lutzes and flips are ugly, but her 4T and 4S are actually more than decent when she’s on.
@@ekaterinaaitbalaeva5175 Trusova is a queen of falls as well. Every competition 2-3 falls.
Елизавета -всегда технически идеальный прыжок.
И всегда незаслуженно низкие оценки за прыжки (
Liza - old school 🥰
Yes. But landing it may not always be well.
It is an option to deviate slightly from textbook prior to takeoff to do the jump well enough, from prior to takeoff to after landing.
Да, но с руками не вверх, как у Камилы.
@@alexander28110 смысл поднятых вверх рук, если техника самого прыжка страдает?
Liza's is a text book lutz, which is so rare nowadays. When Koola King was pointing out the 1/2 on-ice pre-rotations that Medvedeva and Zagitova were doing and the full blade assist on the toe pick, I was already kinda irked by this technique. But maaaaaan, Kamila does a full blade assist and a 3/4 on-ice pre-rotations is just abysmal.
Prerotation is unlimited and "full-blade assist" is a non-existent term.
So why all judges in all countries , at every competition are not listening to you? Ah yes- you are in TH-cam expert
totally agree with you. that girl should get lower GOE. she's not doing a Lutz jump. if ISU is so pressed with Eteri girls just include this jump technique in the list of jumps and call it the Eteri.
@@rickcruz7620 omg, real judges laugh at stupid idiot Koola!
Open the handbook of rules and learn - prerotation is unlimited for both men and women! And her made-up terms like "fullbladeassist" do NOT exist.
You are koolashited so much, so you don't even see that tons of another skaters using prerotation (Miyahara, Liu, Shoma, etc.) and never get any deduction, cause it's legal!
But stupid idiots are just reposting koolashit instead of reading rules, and stupid Koola was obsessed with Eteri only.
Can anyone then explain why Evgenia’s “lutz” was almost never called “e” when she was training with Eteri, but once she moved to Orser her edge was called almost every time?
I’m not 100% sure now, but once I studied every judging report and I think it was called ONCE when she was with Eteri, and, by analogy, it wasn’t called probably only once when she was training in Toronto. And please don’t take me wrong, I’m not against any skater or coach, I cannot imagine myself doing such a wonderful job, it’s just my observation that really attracted my attention.
Liza huge 3Lz-3T vs Valieva’s tiny excessive prerotated 3Lz-3T. If a skater’s 3-3 looks tiny, it is either because they rotates very very fast in the air or they prerotate excessively on the ice. And Valieva is the latter
the risk of a textbook lutz is the strain it puts on your ankle. It just sad that some are risking their ankle to execute it perfectly while others are getting away from the calls but still gets a positive GOE or no deductions, worse higher GOEs. :)
Yes we see what it has done to rika’s ankle, very sas
Same thing with Hanyu. The guy is 27 with weakened ankles due to multiple injuries yet people insist he does his insane Lutz.
@@pennyinheaven I don’t think anyone necessarily Insists that he do a quad lutz…he doesn’t really need it anyway
@@user-qs5ix4nj9r Oh there are. Insisting to drop the 4A goal and do 4Lz and 4F instead.
@@pennyinheaven oh yeah i don’t think i agree with that take either considering how much he wants the 4A, although 4A probably deals the same amount of risk considering how hard lands on his ankle from the force, i just dont think he needs either jump to win (although his 4lz is truly a masterclass in technique) clean yuzuru should win regardless
jesus Kamila's edge wobble in between jumps is horrifying up close
I just noticed it after reading your comment. She looks like she's barely keeping her balance, I hope she doesn't get hurt
@@theatorrisi9695 same, I worry for her ankles :(
She always do this edge change special in the Combination. It's horrible and unhealthy too. The Eteri Girls all have not the best techniques. Sasha is ok. Anna and Kami are beautiful sakter but technically a nightmare. Sorry
So why all judges in all countries , at every competition are not listening to you? Ah yes- you are in TH-cam expert
@@asimonp79 I just said that this edge wobble is horrifying and I worry for her ankles, I have not said anything about judging/judges or scores for the combo
Liza has the best and most consistent Lutz. Aliona and Kamila lutz still have long way to fix the edge. It is not easy fix, but lutz is lutz. There should not be a way for judge to give positive GOE if it is not fulfill the requirements of Lutz. 😑
If Kostornaia can improve the edge it would be great. But her 3Lutz here is executed well enough, and complements the before and after jump. Though a high score on this element cannot be expected, the entire program should be very appealing and enjoyable to watch.
Valieva's 3Lutz is rather unattractive overall, and technically it would require more than fixing the edge.
God, I feel pain in my hip and my knees everytime a see Kamila's 3lz. She is a talented skater, but... I can't ignore the impression.
I love this kind of video! They often make us appreciate some skaters more despite many other things
Glad you enjoyed it ☺️
The editing 🤣. Whenever Liz comes up In these videos the music goes angelic.
Liza’s face is so angelic. She is the superior jumper and the most beautiful out of this incredibly beautiful crop of young, up and coming(all ready here, lol) skaters. This isn’t to say Kamila and Aliona are not also Ultra-beautiful. Liza is just so special and I admire her so much!
Yikes that edge change in valieva's combination 😬
Yeah, like why is this allowed it looks so bad! Poor girl, I feel awful speaking negatively about her in any way, she seems so sweet. But it’s sooooo awful! How is this technique even allowed?
She just broke records with that kind of lutz 😣
I don’t agree with that but she is still an amazing hardworking skater.
Everyone is hard working
So why all judges in all countries , at every competition are not listening to you? Ah yes- you are in TH-cam expert
@@asimonp79 Did I ask everybody to agree with me? You think I am a expert? Oh thank you so much! You are a copy and paste master who keep leaving the same comment under different comments! What a smart guy!
@@asimonp79 if you don’t like my comment, ignore it. Okay? Be smart
So you think that if got a call on this jump, she won't breake a record? You should study maths better.
So valieva only makes a double lutz
Exactly it’s not even 3 rotations and it’s pretty obvious, how the judges miss it is really ridiculous. They got to do something about this.
And she's the Record Breaker, fvck that sh*t, this is not happening in Olympic Season 😬
It’s not a lutz! What she does (Anna and Sasha as well) it’s an edge jump entry. Ugly as hell.
@@TheVillka Now Sasha does pretty good lutz actually.
@@doesntcare9804 nope. At skate America she still did a loop entry for a lutz. It’s hard to fix even if one really is really trying. Evgenia tried when she was at Orser’s. I don’t think anyone at Tutberidze is even trying since they get the points and high GOEs if they land a jump. No motivation somehow
С Елизаветой не сравнится никто.
Её прыжки это образцовые прыжки.
Единственное нету у Лизы гибкости как у других фигуристок но Лиза и без гибкости прекрасно катается. У Лизы действительно женское фигурное катание с любовью.
С уважением Санкт-Петербург - Дагестан.
Другие после 17 лет уже ни катаются а в 15 лет у Лизы как и у всех гибкость отличная была ,посмотрите время Лизы 2010-2011 год вот там увидите её гибкость , а в 26 лет посмотрите на гибкость других фигуристок какая она у них будет
I didn’t realize the bad technique of Valieva. Why are not the judges penalizing this. That’s the only way she will correct this technique.
The judges cannot rewatch entries and as far as I know, there are no clear ISU guidelines about prerotation. She should have receded penalty for full blade on the ice, imo, as it is no longer a toe assisted jump.
@@adapienkowska2605
El jurado tiene acceso a otras camaras que no son las que salen en tv y que filman lo que ocurre en el deslizamiento en el hielo , es por eso que está el controlador técnico quien informa o hace las llamadas, por eso también se tardan en dar resultados mientras hacen los ajustes, al final puedes ver la hoja del panel de jueces y donde han marcado UR , degradado, llamada de filo y los saltos con bonos en la 2da mitad
@@KoraimaLynn nie mam zielonego pojęcia co piszesz.
@@adapienkowska2605 I strongly believe that technically wrong jumps shouldn't be credited at all. Or credited for what they are. Ie lutz with cheated edge should be credited as flip etc.
To be fair I've seen worse lol. Alyssa Liu when she did here "quad" lutz would get nearly 1.25 rotations on ice before leaving it, and then underrotated the jump. She was doing an underrorated triple loop when she did her "quad lutz" that she got full credit for. *rolls eyes*
Yeah no, Alyssa Liu definitely has an abysmal lutz but just because its worse does not negate Valieva's terribleness. Valieva is basically doing an overrotaed double.
stop bringing other people here. her quad then go a terrible GOE.
@@rickcruz7620 Dude, we will bring everyone we fucking want. Especially sones that are providing a good example of being the worst.
Yeah but Alysa's not breaking world records. In fact, she's not even winning against most of the field.
Funny you say that when Alysa's quad lutz had 1/2 prerotation and a solid outside edge. Was it a pretty jump? No. Did it have decent technique? Yes.
Love this type of video💙💙💙
Thanks for the support ☺️
The Empress Liza, the rest are morphs of Loop.
Elizaveta 🔥🔥
All eteri students lutz have a loop entry. So it's a flutz. Same with the flip. It's a floop. Their triples have 2.5 rotations and the quads 3.25 rotations. If the lutz technique is incorrect, most other jumps are too.
But what about Trusova? Kostornaya is also not bad.
That is why I stopped watching most Russian ladies’ skating
@@xiaocui01 I like watching Mariah Bell skate, despite the fact that she does triple lutz from the inside edge, but everything else is very beautiful.
@@sergejminch8542 she is a pretty good jumper
This is simply not true.
Valieva has always been overscored because she has beautiful balletic style. Her jumps rely on doping and prerotations. But her skating style is also overscored because while she looks beautiful, she makes no attempt to connect with the audience, it's all emotionless.
Not even emotionless, she looks terrified every time she is performing. The only time I saw her show happiness was in the last lines of Bolero where she was confident she could do her spins without issue.
Honestly, the overhype did damage to her as well, since she is very much aware that all it takes is one misstep and she's falling off the pedestal and into the abyss
kamila's triples are basically doubles
How a double + 0.25 jump values the same as a triple.
Tuk's correct technique is why her career is flourishing for such a long time!!
Kami's combos look so uncomfortable and not pretty at all, and her extended leg does not help it, geez
That's why i didnt like judging. Kamila pretotation very bad
Empress Liza's Lutz is my favorite in ladies skating rn
Its amazing to see how they are pushing the sport but the technique is still....bad. I love Valieva as a Skater but you cant deny this is not a Lutz. At this momentum they gonna drop the edge rules lol. Just jump and rotate a lot..
Yeah, by that caveat, why bother having different sort of jumps
Любимое полное лезвие с недокрутом.. Это не лутц, это позор((
Там ещё и в каскадах ребро у конька виляет - по-честному, пахнет полным обнулением каскадов.
а для судей главное ногу высоко поднять на выезде,остальное не важно,последняя вообще 5 гоев дала
@@kris_the_analyst неужели кто-то не аозносит бохиню??? Я аплодирую вам троим стоя!
@@kris_the_analyst блин я все думала, что мне не нравится в ее комбинациях, теперь поняла, действительно, будто два отдельных прыжках
@@irinauuuuА где в правилах указано, что смена ребра запрещена в комбинациях. Такого правила вообще нет. Значит вполне легально. А то, что вам это не нравится - это вкусовщина.
All the Eteri girls have flutz...why this is not penalized is utterly disappointing
flutz is a wrong edge. The only left one with wrong edges is Anna.
Aliona and Maiia edge sometimes flat. Daria is a flutzer. Only Sasha and Kamila have outside edge lutz
Is it sad that at this point I'm just like "welp, at least Kami's jump has a clear outside edge?" She's one of my favorite skaters ever and I think she's the goat tbh but Liza's lutz is objectively more ummm lutz-y. RIP lutz jump, we miss you.
Ridiculous how Kamila gets away with such bad technique
Лизин лутц-супер идеальный
Judges need to be judged because they do not judge correctly
Судей нужно судить, за то что судят не корректно. Не придираться и манипулировать,а правильно оценивать катание, но для этого нужны чёткие критерии профессионализм и непредвзятость, особенно у технических контролёров, в этом случае.
Преротация ничем не ограничена.
Никогда прыжки с минимальной преротацией типа Цурской и Лизы не считались "эталонными", чтобы там не несли в комментах. И не будут таковыми.
Автор ХОЧЕТ чтобы так было, потому что ему так нравится.
Ну, пусть скажет Лизе, чтобы не напрягалась на отрыве.
Скллько раз им с Цурской драли базу за недокруты! Судьям плевать на твой "чистый отрыв", а вот за недокрут тебя поимеют по-полной!
@@feyanormorfol2457 Наверное не совсем так, просто правильность рёбер и недокруты определяют тех. контролёр и его помошники и у них есть для этого
спец. средства, а другие параметры прыжка, как высота, красота, пролётность, ну и преротацию судьи определяют, оценивают не вооружённым
глазом. Поскольку всё происходит очень быстро четверть оборота вообще не заметна, точно определять и не пытаются.. Не гласно принимается на флипе и лутце до пол оборота, на других прыжках чуть больше. 3/4 оборота на лутце многовато и при желании или необходимости исполнитель может быть наказан. У Алисы лью были проблемы с этим. Но там было всё вместе и недокрут и большая преротация. Просто отминусовывали оборот.
@@sergejminch8542 негласно принимается = не существует.
А эксперты типа биомусора Кулы тупо врут ради хайпа.
Нет ограничения на преротацию, поскольку нет такого правила.
Соответственно и поощрения за маленькую преротацию нет.
Её не получала Цурская у Этери, её не получает Лиза у Мишина, не получала Кимиха у Орсера.
Никто в истории не был ни наказан ни поощрен за прер.
Вообще, отрыв - карт-бланш для спортсмена. Он не ограничен, но при злоупотреблении прером он сожрёт (через силу трения) всю твою крутку, высоту и энергию. Как результат - НЕДОкрут, а вот за них уже имеют. Мияхара тому пример.
@@feyanormorfol2457 Убедительно, спасибо.
@@sergejminch8542 не за что, это всё юнаботы в 2015 запустили этот миф.
Им надо было сохранить иллюзию величия Юны, ну так, не найдя нужного в правилах, они придумали своё.
Почему они ещё напирают на "настоящий лутц" и молчат про "настоящий флип"? Так у Ким часто был флипц, а это уже бросает тень на святое! Вот и началась флипо-дискриминация.
О, и про вращения они всегда молчат (у Юны они были посредственные). А что, вращения уже и не элемент?
В общем, обычное фанатобесие.
Lol, thank you for exposing the corruption in judging for these eteri girls. It needs to be done. I don't know why this hasn't gotten more views? 🤣
Thanks to the authors of the channel.Everything is shown very informative.And the musical accompaniment is always excellent.
🙄🤔Anna shcherbakova is very artistic, but her basic technique is wrong. It's her coach's fault, is she trying to change her wrong edge? I have no idea. Her coaching staff seemed to think that even if it was wrong, the referee would pretend not to see it. You will get high marks as well. Why? I don't hate her, but to this day ISU is getting more and more disgusting, they don't follow the rules at all and do whatever they want. Why race like that? It's not just a place to gather fans, it's an official game, so be fair. This girl is just one of those who don't act well. Like Evgenia medvedeva, Shoma Uno, Adelina sotnikova (she is clown)...even Trusova, and many others, these skaters, are really overscored. I see a lot of fans saying how good they are, yes they are top skaters , everyone has technical problems to some extent, but if you know how to skate, you'll find that many times these skaters' scores are a joke. People say don't blame them, blame the referees, but these athletes are the ones who benefit, aren't they? I say the truth, but the truth will always be covered up. Fans don't want to hear criticism. The referees are filthy, they make the game less and less fair, they cheat.🤑☠🤡
How can you compare Kamila's jumps with hands up with the others? It's much more difficult and risky and that's why she got higher goe.
Liza is the only real figure skater among Russian, ladies
Kamila's floop. 😂 Liza is so underscored and underrated.
Поймите Камила на только выиграл из за лутца есть ещё вся целая программа и Лиза с Алёной её могли не откатать хорошо.
With all the technological advancements available in skating competitions, one assumes the judges would be doing their job fairly easily . . . but they're not! Obviously, Kamila's "lutz" is atrocious yet she's constantly been given the highest marks. The ISU should amend the rule book on skating and clarify without a shadow of a doubt what exactly constitutes proper technique and thus merits the best scores.
Elizaveta - Lutz
Kamila - Looputz
Молодец,Алена,чисто
i only just got into figure skating but god, i see why they call liza The Empress. she might be my favorite skater.
Liza actually has proper jumping technique, as she’s not relying on her back and arms to get her into the air. She is relying on her legs (as you’re supposed to) for proper figure skating jumps. I love watching Kamila and Sasha skate but I really wish that they were taught proper jumping technique. There’s a reason why Eteri’s skaters don’t last long in the sport, and it’s because of the horrible jumping technique that she teaches them. Eteri’s girls could last longer in the sport, if she taught them to jump properly.
Kamila's Lutz looks super painful to me. I have no idea how her body handles so much strain.
It doesn't. Look at what happened to all the girls who came before her.
Liza tiene el más bonito lutz de todos.
Please include entry and exit in your jump analysis. They are also taken into account when setting a goe.
sad to see aliona’s lutz edge has gotten worse since 2019
Me sorprende mucho que los fanáticos sepamos más que los jurados o será que están comprados?
Valieva truly has some of the ugliest jumps I have ever seen. The fact that she was so unbeatable was an utter joke 🤣
At least her black panther routine matched the ugly jumps with bad choreography.
I hope Liza will peak until Olympics. But damn Russian Nationals will be a blood bath 😬
Even if she slays at the nationals the federation can decide whatever they'd be up to.
Wow...that's not even a 3Lo...its a 2A...
У тутберят проблемы с техникой всегда. Дудаков им ставит?
Да, проблемы с техникой, единственные прыгают стабильно элементы ультра си во всем мире...проблемы...
@@Sunny-fx3hc 🙈😂👎🏼
リーザはすべて完璧、コストルナヤは微妙、ワリエワはエッジのみ完璧だね。
Why are only people looking at the foot edge? Are we all dumb now? What makes a outside edge is not only the edge of the blade BUT ALSO the inclination of the body. Kamila is clearly bending her torso from the hip to an interior edge.
Таких экспертов в мире больше 100000
Different techniques but what we can notice is the difference in size of jumps picked and spun. Those that pick their jumps tend to cover more distance and height while those who spin the jumps tend to rotate much faster. The strain visible in the upper body is less pronounced in the former. Interesting video.
Liza always has textbook technique. Her edges are always on point. Severely underscored.
The fact you out empress in the title no matter how good Liza lutz is better this video is going to favor Liza more and bitter for Kamila
This is why I think they need to bring back compulsory figures for Juniors,
The music is beautiful? Did you write it?
A couple of ones and a five...like the fluctuations in those scores is wild
The ugly lutz technique of the Tutberidze camp, executed for you by the favorite to win the Olympics Kamila. To learn better about the technique watch Anna, Sasha, Evgenia or Alinas skating! Some of these will deliver as a bonus change to аn inside edge on take off.
Sasha actually has a deep outside lutz....
@@funsies7147 sure, Kamila too. I was talking mainly about their common tendency to do toe jumps with forward take offs, therefore massively prerotated.
Velina Buchvarova oh yeah they all massively prerotate but only Anna actually has an inside edge. Alena sometimes goes flat and Kamila’s went flat at skate Canada too
02:23 what the ...... 와 진짜 엉망 진창이네 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Елизавета -это эталон прыжков ,она очень технична. У Касторной всегда рёбра не соответствуют . У Камилы часто тоже вылазят рёбра. Так что Лиза идеальна ,только не понимаю почему ставят низкие оценки.
Вы не замечаете, что Лиза в хореографии бревно? Прыжки хорошие, но компоненты слабые. У Лизы самые неинтересные вращения, плохая дорожка, медленный темп. Прыжки техничные, но заходы на них длинные, не такая эффектная программа. Произвольная вообще какая-то дискотека и много рук, всё это снимает ей балы, несмотря на отличные техничные прыжки.
Не тот тренер
@@Johnny_Neroli а вы не замечаете, что Лизе за те же элементы, выполненные в разы лучше ставят оценки ниже, чем за кривую технику у конкуренток?
@@Johnny_Neroli Вы вообще не разбирайтесь, за скучные вращения баллы не снимают, а за неправильную технику снимают. И дорожка шагов у Лизы хорошая, реберность есть. А у Валиевой скольжение нет, потому как скрип от её коньков прям через экран слышен. И у Валиевой в этом сезоне заход на прыжки увеличился, раньше они в глаза не бросались. Плюс Валиева катается как работ, да и сама программа набор элементов. У Лизы просто блата нет.
@@Johnny_Neroli а ты не замечаешь балы Лизы? Если бы она была бревном во всём что ты перечислил то на 3 месте не была по сумме набранных балов.
Только "replay" в русском будет "повтор", а не "переиграть". Мы говорим "повторить запись", "повторить этот момент", а не "переиграй этот момент".
Елизавета великая фигуристка 👍👍👍👍
Самая красивая, самая женственная. Самая преданная.
Уважаю её.
С уважением Дагестан
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Flutzlieva
For Valieva, it is not Flutz. But everything else is wrong except for the edge. So funny.
this video is literally biased
How? It’s just stating what’s in front of us
Let's hope the judges will recognise Kamila's terrible lutz technique. They did it with Sasha's flip in the fs at Skate America! Why should it be different at Skate Canada?
Гореэксперт очередной🤣🤣🤣
Самокритика - это всегда 👍🏼!! 😁
Каждый суслик в поле агроном 😂😂😂.
А девчонки молодцы!!!! Браво!
Wow, there are so many professionals, experts in figure skating, it's a pity they don't even know basic things. They write, but I'm ashamed. I see the agitation at the gates of Tukta is going on on all fronts. There's even Alyona being rejected))) Are you for simple fans of FC sprayed here? I like bots that mow down foreigners, so funny))))
no one stays even close to Valieva at the moment. She has everything - technique, grace, artistry. She will be an Olympic champion no doubts
You know, she will win the Olympics, no doubt. She will be massively overscored and no ugly technique will be punished. And again it will feel as a cheated win despite the fact that she might win even if scored fairly.
@@TheVillka why do you think that? Is everything fake for you? What’s the point of the olympics or any other competition then?
@@milka8934 I’m just following how is she being scored, as well as few other skaters. Trusova for instance got last weekend ridiculously high PCS for basically cruising around the rink. These girls are chronically overscored and sometimes their wins feel really … undeserved.
@@milka8934 Did you watch the video??? She does NOT have good technique. Artistry, meh, she's done the exact same style time and time again. Grace, for sure.
@@mateoferretto2175 and therefore again - she broke the world record. Haters gonna hate on a 15 year old and the same 15 year old will break her own records and be written in a histroy.
Manila has the largest pre-rotation but her landing is the clearest. Liza and Alena have about 90 degree pre-rotation but also 60-80 degrees missed at landing. No one makes a real triple jump (1080 degrees).
PR is allowed. Judges start lowering the GOE when the PR is above 180 degres, even with Lz and flip. Somtimes they missed it ☹
@@kadovax6567 as they should, but sometimes it’s a choice and that’s so frustrating
You are allowed 1/4 pre rotation on jumps with toe picks. 1/2 for edge jumps (Lo and Sal).
Господи, сколько же вас умников и разбирающихся в фигурном катании! Лиза заслуживает уважения за то, что в свои 23 до сих пор катается и держится на уровне, за это её любят и поддерживают болельщики. Но она никак не сравнится с Валиевой и даже с Косторной! Камилла это бриллиант фигурного катания, с ней не сравнится НИКТО… Болтайте, разбирайте, критикуйте, завидуйте, чем бы дитя не тешилось….. но Камила лучшая из лучших!!!!
Нет!) 😉😁
And the authors of the channel need to take all the skaters from the same angle, and Lutz will immediately become normal for everyone. And one more thing, I remember Lutz Chen was praised here, although he had the same problem as Camila. I don't like when people are considered more stupid than themselves. Unsubscribe
Ha! Are you a fan of Kamila?
Agree! Will unsubscribe too!
Chen? Are you talking about Nathan Chen's lutz being the same as Camila's? Are you a clown?
Are you seriously comparing Nathan Chen to Kamila? Btw, Karen Chen's lutz is perfect. And maybe you meant her.
🙈Are you on drugs?!..😂