Oh, I got a lot more of these types of videos coming soon! I plan on taking into account all the really good suggestions and ideas. I too am interested in how moving stuff around inside impacts the tongue weight. More stuff to come!
Thank you. Extremely helpful, as most of your videos have been in learning just some of the basic concepts for towing rvs. Truly grateful for your efforts!
This video is an example of, IMPORTANT, HELPFUL, INDUSTRY RELEVANT. This check should be added to every RV trailer inspection video. Every dealership should have this e trailer tongue weight device.
If we’ve said it once, we’ve said it 1000 times. Most trucks are payload limited. Not tow capacity limited. 99% of the time, if your trailer is properly loaded, as long as you’re in payload spec, your truck can pull it.
@@randywilson5269 and normally they only allow die 10% hitch weight. As we’ve found out here, 10% just isn’t happening with an RV. I normally plan on 15% with a travel trailer.
I’m learning staying within payload capacity is not easy. I have a 2016 tundra TRD, 6.5’ bed. Will tow about 10,000, cargo weight, not good, 1350. With passengers, gear, camper shell, etc, plus tongue weight, going over cargo capacity with a 720 pound tongue weight on my camper. Learned this too late, lol
Can I make a suggestion? It will require much more of a commitment though. Ask Ron Hoover if you can pull one of their heavy TTs to the CAT scales. Get your truck rear axle weights with and without the camper. Then get your truck rear axle weight with a properly set-up WD hitch on that same set-up. Let's see how much a properly set-up WD hitch transfers weight from the hitch to the rest of the rig.
Definitely would be interesting, but the bigger problem here is going over payload for the truck. Pushing weight forward doesn't help that. It does push weight to the camper Axel though too, when properly set up but not usually enough to get you to a safe zone when looking at these kind of numbers on a half ton truck
What I found most interesting was to watch your friend enter the trailer and walk to the front. You could see the weight shift. Puts a nice point on how distributing the payload inside the trailer affects tongue weight.
Wow awesome content. Definitely eye opening. Sounds like these dealers should have some of these trailer tongue scales. Now can you show some FifthWheel pin weight with that pin scale you have. Maybe coupled with a FifthWheel tri pod to demonstrate. You Would be the man for the job!!! Sounds like the next scale to be made.
This is one of your best videos to date. I know it's probably not practical everytime but you should try and include the tung weight on all your trailer reviews. That way people can see how they compare. Even on the 5th wheels as well.
My 2005 f350 srw has a toung weight max of 1250 lbs. I know the newer trucks have a higher payload of mine, but geeze. These guys towing with 1/2 tons are not doing there homework. Keep up the great work!
That Flagstaff Classic is a double wide mobile home that happens to fold up into a single wide for running down the highway. A half ton pickup might pull it, but not for long. Your in 1 ton dually turf for that trailer! 1350 pounds plus 100 pounds for batteries, 110 pounds for tanks, your at 1500 hanging on the bumper before you add water and stuff to the trailer. Remember, all that weight is plopping down on a hitch that is located between 5 and 6 feet BEHIND the centerline of the rear axle of your truck. The effect is like adding an additional 700 pounds to the back of the rear axle due to the leverage force.
This is great info! I tried to have this conversation with a coworker saying he’s way over his payload. Like you said you can tow it but can you support it. Keep em coming, great vids.
Yeah, my 39’ Work & Play 30QBS toy hauler has an INSANE tongue weight when my RZR isn’t in the garage. Like over 2100 lbs! (With a full tank of water). Thankfully when I put my RZR into the garage and load it for a weekend trip the tongue weight settles back down to about 1650. WIll be upgrading to a fifth wheel within a year for sure. As much as I like the Work & Play, I hate towing it even with a Pro Pride 3P (Whcih helps to increase the overall tongue weight pretty significantly)
BTW, I towed it with a 3/4 ton for one year, and switched to a one ton dually. The reason I don’t like towing it is more related to the height and overall sail like properties is has.
@@x3dominator28 haha I have a 1 ton with standard bed 6.6 foot duramax.Max tongue weight is 1300.If it was a long bed only 1500.What’s up with gmc low weights? Heck max tow is 13500.
Never ever thought of the toy hauler issues with bumper pulls. Great vid! It also is something to consider if you are at the limit with a toy hauler WITH cargo and you one time DON’T put any cargo in the garage, you could potentially be over your limit by NOT carrying cargo. Who woulda thunk? Haha
Positioning of the load is much more critical than you realize, as did I. I have the weigh safe hitch. When I moved my 1800 lbs sxs, LITERALLY 12 in forward, it added 125 lbs to my tongue weight.
Absolutely CAN CONFIRM the bumper pull toy hauler issues. I have a Ozark 27THX with an 11 foot garage. We just bought it at the end of last season, and our first planned trip out we had loaded our side-by-side in the back and hit the road. I had the sxs loaded before I hooked to the truck, so I should have caught the issue in the driveway. I have a friction bar anti-sway setup, and it seemed way too easy to get the bars in place. I just assumed it was the difference between my old trailer and the new one. It only took a couple of highway miles to realize something was wrong; the trailer sway was almost immediate. Before we could get off the closest exit, we nearly went in ditch after a passing semi caused the worst sway I've ever felt. We turned around and went home, parked and unloaded. Haven't hooked it up since. Now I've done some research, and my Ozark has a listed tongue weight of 830 pounds, and a dry weight of 5630. That's about 15% on the tongue, which is great if you don't load anything in the back. However, the garage is completely behind the axles, so the weight transfer off the tongue has to be enormous. This seems like a serious design flaw to me. In a couple of months, we're going to try it again, this time loading the sxs backwards to try and get more weight closer to the axles, as well as filling the fresh water tank (which is in front) and adjusting the sway bar mounts on the trailer frame (because I think the tech at Gander Mountain put them on too low). The moral of the story, be very, very careful with bumper pull toy haulers.
Good video. I know that the slides were not the point of the video but the Schwintech slides are rack and pinion slides. The ones that you were calling rack and pinion are ball screw. I think it was just a slip up because I don't remember noticing this mixup in your previous videos but maybe I missed it in the past. Keep up the good work.
1. 825 2. 1,450 3. 1,200 So by the third one I dialed it in a bit better but I was still off!! Wow! This is an important video, especially for the 1/2 ton naysayers.
Good info. You got to check it and not guess. Seeing those boats reminded me of mine , a new boat and motor combo with it's factory trailer the tongue weight exceeded the coupler capacity. I had to move the axle (which wasn't easy) just to get weight off the tongue. You would think they don't leave the factory like that.
Common Sense said do not hook a poodle into the harness to pull a freight sled. So use a one ton or 3/4 ton truck, 1/2 tons are very limited on towing trailers. In some cases a dually rear or 4x4 may be required depending on your needs. From Alaska.
Writing as the video is playing 1) 1000lbs (YAY) 2) 1200lbs (WOW, 1300? That kitchen placement had me fooled) 3) 1100lbs (YAY) This is awesome content.
The first Video my guess was over by about 150 on all but one. This video i was very under guessing until the last unit i got that one exactly. These were great informative videos that highlight the unknown of weight transfer
Although with the proper load equalizing hitch and torsion bars ....about 1/2 of that tongue weight gets put through the frame of the truck to the trucks front axle also... that is a big trailer....And a stronger suspensions is always better , and long wheelbase on the truck for better control, but...you can tow lot with a 1/2 ton with enough engine, at a reasonable speed.......
I have found with my boat the tongue weight is a lot lighter than the same size travel trailer. The axles are set back further as is the weight. A large amount of the weigh is on the end where the motors are.
The "tow" ratting listed for any vehicle is, in realty, what u can "drag"! For comparison, a flat bed trailer loaded with flat steel that grosses 13000 lbs is what u can "drag", but, stand up an 8' by 8' wall on the front, even with a somewhat aerodynamic cap, in a 10 mph head wind, and the real "drag" weight shoots way up there and goes higher as the speed increases! Have to put a computer to it for the actual numbers. Been dragging and driving RV's all over the US since the 70's and spent 10 yrs OTR, transporting oversize and overweight loads nationwide! When asked where I got my "Big Truck" experience, I told them my Dad would say "Get in that and follow me!" LOL!
Great video. But I don't think most people would tow a 38' or 34' trailer in the 11,000 lb GVWR weight with their 1500 ram.. Maybe do some with 26'-29', which are more commonly towed with a 1/2 ton.
I think you would be surprised. I feel like I'm pushing it with a 6500 pound TT that is 32 feet tounge to bumper, 28 foot actual trailer on a Ford expedition. I'm fine for payload, and total towing capacity, but would not really want to be any closer.
My catalina-legacy-edition is sitting around 1200lbs tongue weight loaded and it split the bottom of my receiver tube open on my navigator. I use a f350 now.
Riddle me this: I ordered my 2016 F-150 with the Max Tow package. So my truck could tow more weight then without that package, but couldn't haul more payload as the Max Tow package didn't help payload at all on my 2016 F-150. If anything, adding the Max Tow package because of the extra stuff put on the truck increased my truck's overall weight, thus decreasing my trucks payload from if it was just ordered without the Max Tow package. What the hell is wrong with these truck manufactures?!?!? My 16 F-150 Lariat with Max Tow package had a pathetic payload of 1,448 lbs.. What a joke! So glad to have my 2020 F-250 now with 2,797 lbs payload for our larger travel trailer. Max Tow packages offered need to go hand in hand adding payload packages as standard. Thanks to this TH-cam channel and others, I have been greatly educated for proper towing equipment for RV's. Thanks JD!!!!
Man does not travel with toys alone. Any tongue weight removed by toys in that first toy hauler will be replaced by the rest of your cargo. Ending up with a higher tongue weight after you are fully loaded is not unreasonable imo
Great video! Do you have a video hooking up to a heavy bumper pull like this one then hooking up to a fifth wheel with a similar pin weight and showing the difference in squat on a truck from the different positions?
There's plenty of guys out there who already "know" their half-ton truck can pull a massive trailer. Additionally, these guys know that their half-ton truck pulling a massive travel trailer has the exact same driving characteristics (acceleration, handling, braking, etc.) as a brand new high-performance sports car.
When I purchased my forest river xlr fithwheel the brochure stated 2600lb tongue weight when I had it weighed it ended up having 4000lbs of tongue weight,so don’t ever trust the weights from the manufacturer
Damn! What’s in the garage. I know my tongue weight gets a heck of a lot better with my 2500 lbs rzr in the garage. (My turbo s has built suspension, cage, and aftermarket storage options that really increase the weight )
Any way to hitch those same TTs up to a truck with an WD hitch and see how much of that weight is transferred? Maybe a video on how to check that you have maximized the distribution capability of said WD hitch? I've set mine up the best I could with the info I had, but I've always wondered if I can get a little more weight on the front tires if I move to another link tighter on my WD bars. Thank you. (sorry if you have already done that in another video!)
I would like to see a video with a Toyhauling 5th wheel. We have 1 now. And, it's 8,880 lbs dry. Being a 2014, she has 3 axles. Less than 9,000 lbs at 40' long is already cool as it is. But, if possible I'd like to see something like that, if you don't mind doing one. Thank you much. 🙏🙏
So what do you think about the F150 increased payload option that gives an F150 over a 3,000 pound payload capacity? My thoughts are with that much payload capacity, the frame and brakes start to become the weak link, which has the potential to be catastrophic should something go wrong, just my opinion.
If you have a half-ton pick-up you don't want to buy a travel trailer over 30 feet long. Once you reach that size you need a 3/4 ton pick-up or 1 ton. Finally you got one right. Proud of you.
@@BTBRVReviews yes finally. You are always saying people need a 3/4 ton to pull a travel trailer, when that is not true. Half tons can handle a travel trailer up to 30 feet with no problem with a wet weight of 7500. You keep saying that is too much for a half ton. I have proved that wrong at least 40 times over the last two years. So this time I agree with you that the trailers you showed do need a 3/4 ton or one ton to haul them.
We’re all the trailers level when you weighed the tongue? Should it be for an accurate dry tongue weight reading? Does it matter? I assume any angle greater or less than level would change the reading as it pivots on the axle(s)right? How do the manufacturers come up with the dry tongue weight? I get the point of the video, but many more factors than just dropping the tongue on the scale and calling it un-towable by a 1/2 ton.
I hope the frame manufacturers will wake up one day and give us one axle up front and one in the back like on the old wagons. The horse didn't carry any weight just pulled the weight. Pickup truck should just pull not carry part of the weight. You wouldn't have any payload issues. The trailer would also be more stable if it had front and back axles.
It will be a good video if you can take these TTs and popular half-ton and 3/4-ton trucks on a white board, and make a white board video like what EngineeringExplained does, to further illustrate how trucks are payload-limited by comparing numbers, and also how the cargo/toy/water/propane/battery in trailer affects how much one can tow
I'm new but it seems to me that the conversation should start with getting 10-15% of the trailer weight on the tounge when loaded. Then the tow vehicles cargo capacity. Finally the towing capacity.
I always here need to go with a 5'er but the garages are too small. Most 4 seat sxs's are 12 to 14 feet in length. Need a 15+ foot garage for my toys. I've only been able to find bumper pull TT's with this much garage space.
Truck dealers avoid talking about payload capacity also, they make more money by loading up the truck with all of the options you could possibly ever think about to raise the out-the-door price. But with all those options your payload goes down down down until your one-ton SRW will have less payload than a ¾-ton truck with bare-bones features.
Im planing on buying a toy hauler i just got a 2022 trail boss 5.3l and im looking at a grey wolf 30ft dry weight 5100 and gross weight 7690lbs would i be good?
As far as payload, you will be fine. As far as pulling with your truck it will tow it, it will just do what a gas engine does towing that weight and rev. You will know its back there it just depends on if you want to feel it, or if you want to tow with ease, if you dont mind working the truck (it wont hurt it) then it's fine, otherwise opt for a diesel. However even if you buy a 6000lb trailer your truck will tow this trailer roughly the same as far as engine performance. I would buy it and tow it with your truck, those 6.2 are workhorses, and are ran in construction etc, everyday pulling combined north of 20k
Hey, I was wondering what you think about the towing numbers for the Subaru Outback. I've got a 2022 XT, so a 3.5k pull and 350 tongue weight. With the Unibody design, it must have no weight distribution hitches. It has a curb weight of 3937 lbs. I will rarely tow it, maybe once monthly, but mostly just being a full-timer in one spot. Besides of looking for a trailer at 80% of my tongue and max capacity, what other numbers should I be calculating for? I've seen TH-camrs pulling an Airstream Basecamp 16x, with 435 tongue and 2635 dry.
Does anybody know of a place that would rent these scales out for a few hours, to get the numbers and return, don't really need one anymore than one time with the same camper, if I bought one I wouldn't use it that often.
I was practically dead on all three. Used 13.5% for the first two and 13% for the last one. Last one was a bit tricky since you didn't really show where the axles were located.
Oh, I got a lot more of these types of videos coming soon! I plan on taking into account all the really good suggestions and ideas. I too am interested in how moving stuff around inside impacts the tongue weight. More stuff to come!
Thank you. Extremely helpful, as most of your videos have been in learning just some of the basic concepts for towing rvs. Truly grateful for your efforts!
Do you have a way to do one of these with fifth wheels?
This video is an example of, IMPORTANT, HELPFUL, INDUSTRY RELEVANT. This check should be added to every RV trailer inspection video. Every dealership should have this e trailer tongue weight device.
If we’ve said it once, we’ve said it 1000 times. Most trucks are payload limited. Not tow capacity limited. 99% of the time, if your trailer is properly loaded, as long as you’re in payload spec, your truck can pull it.
Bingo!
Also we need to remember that with any truck the tow rating includes ALL of the rated payload with the possible exception of a 150lb driver.
@@randywilson5269 and normally they only allow die 10% hitch weight. As we’ve found out here, 10% just isn’t happening with an RV. I normally plan on 15% with a travel trailer.
I’m learning staying within payload capacity is not easy. I have a 2016 tundra TRD, 6.5’ bed. Will tow about 10,000, cargo weight, not good, 1350. With passengers, gear, camper shell, etc, plus tongue weight, going over cargo capacity with a 720 pound tongue weight on my camper. Learned this too late, lol
This is the type of research everyone should be doing. I thank you for inviting us to join in. Everyone be safe.
I'd like to see you do this with some of the Micro Lite and Mini Lite trailers to see how much of a difference there is.
Still wouldn’t be half ton towable to him
You should do the 5th wheels now, I actually see more overweight loaded 5th wheel haulers than bumper pull.
He has so videos of doing hitch weight on fifth wheels and gooseneck
Finally, its gettin interesting. We should be happy that there are not more accidents with TTs on the road 😯
Getting the guy inside was the best to see effects of weight distribution.
Can I make a suggestion? It will require much more of a commitment though.
Ask Ron Hoover if you can pull one of their heavy TTs to the CAT scales. Get your truck rear axle weights with and without the camper. Then get your truck rear axle weight with a properly set-up WD hitch on that same set-up.
Let's see how much a properly set-up WD hitch transfers weight from the hitch to the rest of the rig.
Definitely would be interesting, but the bigger problem here is going over payload for the truck. Pushing weight forward doesn't help that. It does push weight to the camper Axel though too, when properly set up but not usually enough to get you to a safe zone when looking at these kind of numbers on a half ton truck
Great video. I wish every RV buyer (and dealer) would watch this!
I think this is one of your best videos in a while. In my experience, most rv dealerships I’ve been to try to avoid talking about payload capacity.
RV dealers are always saying "Oh yeah, your truck is fine pulling it!"
What I found most interesting was to watch your friend enter the trailer and walk to the front. You could see the weight shift. Puts a nice point on how distributing the payload inside the trailer affects tongue weight.
Wow awesome content. Definitely eye opening. Sounds like these dealers should have some of these trailer tongue scales.
Now can you show some FifthWheel pin weight with that pin scale you have. Maybe coupled with a FifthWheel tri pod to demonstrate.
You Would be the man for the job!!! Sounds like the next scale to be made.
I'd love to see the 5th wheel version of this video!
I'd be really interested to see how these tongue weight numbers differ from the listed numbers in the manufacturers brochures.
This is one of your best videos to date. I know it's probably not practical everytime but you should try and include the tung weight on all your trailer reviews. That way people can see how they compare. Even on the 5th wheels as well.
My 2005 f350 srw has a toung weight max of 1250 lbs. I know the newer trucks have a higher payload of mine, but geeze. These guys towing with 1/2 tons are not doing there homework. Keep up the great work!
JD another great video packed with critical information in it. I hope everyone see's it and ""LEARNS"" from it.
I would love to see the light stuff like pop ups, tear drops or small campers. A lot of people still use small suvs for trailers.
Great video we just bought a 2022 3016 hyperlite ours is 1400 people need to know this good job on a informative video
That Flagstaff Classic is a double wide mobile home that happens to fold up into a single wide for running down the highway. A half ton pickup might pull it, but not for long. Your in 1 ton dually turf for that trailer! 1350 pounds plus 100 pounds for batteries, 110 pounds for tanks, your at 1500 hanging on the bumper before you add water and stuff to the trailer. Remember, all that weight is plopping down on a hitch that is located between 5 and 6 feet BEHIND the centerline of the rear axle of your truck. The effect is like adding an additional 700 pounds to the back of the rear axle due to the leverage force.
This is great info! I tried to have this conversation with a coworker saying he’s way over his payload. Like you said you can tow it but can you support it. Keep em coming, great vids.
Yeah, my 39’ Work & Play 30QBS toy hauler has an INSANE tongue weight when my RZR isn’t in the garage. Like over 2100 lbs! (With a full tank of water). Thankfully when I put my RZR into the garage and load it for a weekend trip the tongue weight settles back down to about 1650. WIll be upgrading to a fifth wheel within a year for sure. As much as I like the Work & Play, I hate towing it even with a Pro Pride 3P (Whcih helps to increase the overall tongue weight pretty significantly)
BTW, I towed it with a 3/4 ton for one year, and switched to a one ton dually. The reason I don’t like towing it is more related to the height and overall sail like properties is has.
@@x3dominator28 haha I have a 1 ton with standard bed 6.6 foot duramax.Max tongue weight is 1300.If it was a long bed only 1500.What’s up with gmc low weights? Heck max tow is 13500.
Never ever thought of the toy hauler issues with bumper pulls. Great vid! It also is something to consider if you are at the limit with a toy hauler WITH cargo and you one time DON’T put any cargo in the garage, you could potentially be over your limit by NOT carrying cargo. Who woulda thunk? Haha
You should do this test with trailers that are loaded and ready to travel. That would be interesting. Also what truck they're towing with.
I'd be curious to see how these #s stack up to manufacturers claims
Great video! I didn’t think my TT added that much to the hitch weight. Gonna have to check it out.
Positioning of the load is much more critical than you realize, as did I. I have the weigh safe hitch. When I moved my 1800 lbs sxs, LITERALLY 12 in forward, it added 125 lbs to my tongue weight.
What was your tongue weight?
600 at start, moved it and went to 725.
Can you do a comparison of solid axle vs IFS while towing?
Absolutely CAN CONFIRM the bumper pull toy hauler issues. I have a Ozark 27THX with an 11 foot garage. We just bought it at the end of last season, and our first planned trip out we had loaded our side-by-side in the back and hit the road. I had the sxs loaded before I hooked to the truck, so I should have caught the issue in the driveway. I have a friction bar anti-sway setup, and it seemed way too easy to get the bars in place. I just assumed it was the difference between my old trailer and the new one. It only took a couple of highway miles to realize something was wrong; the trailer sway was almost immediate. Before we could get off the closest exit, we nearly went in ditch after a passing semi caused the worst sway I've ever felt. We turned around and went home, parked and unloaded. Haven't hooked it up since. Now I've done some research, and my Ozark has a listed tongue weight of 830 pounds, and a dry weight of 5630. That's about 15% on the tongue, which is great if you don't load anything in the back. However, the garage is completely behind the axles, so the weight transfer off the tongue has to be enormous. This seems like a serious design flaw to me. In a couple of months, we're going to try it again, this time loading the sxs backwards to try and get more weight closer to the axles, as well as filling the fresh water tank (which is in front) and adjusting the sway bar mounts on the trailer frame (because I think the tech at Gander Mountain put them on too low). The moral of the story, be very, very careful with bumper pull toy haulers.
Another great informative video! Thanks for educating the masses!!
Good video. I know that the slides were not the point of the video but the Schwintech slides are rack and pinion slides. The ones that you were calling rack and pinion are ball screw. I think it was just a slip up because I don't remember noticing this mixup in your previous videos but maybe I missed it in the past. Keep up the good work.
Very important to know what you can tow safely good video buddy
Cool idea for a video. A suggestion - bring a little magnetic level with you.
1. 825
2. 1,450
3. 1,200
So by the third one I dialed it in a bit better but I was still off!! Wow! This is an important video, especially for the 1/2 ton naysayers.
Good info. You got to check it and not guess. Seeing those boats reminded me of mine , a new boat and motor combo with it's factory trailer the tongue weight exceeded the coupler capacity. I had to move the axle (which wasn't easy) just to get weight off the tongue. You would think they don't leave the factory like that.
This is a great video and solidifies my decision to buy a scale similar to the one you are using.
Great video and the observation of the class b at the end was classic JD.
Can you do a video about a 21-ft toy hauler for the tongue weight dry and wet and no sides
Eye opener for sure.
This is why I like your content. My experience been the tounge weight and rear axle weight are the most likely to be over. AND varied per trip!
Common Sense said do not hook a poodle into the harness to pull a freight sled. So use a one ton or 3/4 ton truck, 1/2 tons are very limited on towing trailers. In some cases a dually rear or 4x4 may be required depending on your needs. From Alaska.
Awesome video thanks for letting us know.
Boy those Flagstaffs are heavy. They’re proof that trucks today are payload limited instead of towing capacity limited.
Writing as the video is playing
1) 1000lbs (YAY)
2) 1200lbs (WOW, 1300? That kitchen placement had me fooled)
3) 1100lbs (YAY)
This is awesome content.
I have this scale, and own a 34ft 274rk Cherokee and it has a 1000 pound tongue weight, and pull with silverado 1500 with 5.3 and a 3.42axle
The first Video my guess was over by about 150 on all but one. This video i was very under guessing until the last unit i got that one exactly. These were great informative videos that highlight the unknown of weight transfer
Although with the proper load equalizing hitch and torsion bars ....about 1/2 of that tongue weight gets put through the frame of the truck to the trucks front axle also... that is a big trailer....And a stronger suspensions is always better , and long wheelbase on the truck for better control, but...you can tow lot with a 1/2 ton with enough engine, at a reasonable speed.......
Just goes to show that to safely tow without a constant headache a 3/4 ton truck is a good investment if you regularly tow.
Just out of curiosity, what about checking a couple of the boats for tongue weight? 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton for certain size boats?
I have found with my boat the tongue weight is a lot lighter than the same size travel trailer. The axles are set back further as is the weight. A large amount of the weigh is on the end where the motors are.
Another great educational video! Thanks! Keep up the good work!
The "tow" ratting listed for any vehicle is, in realty, what u can "drag"! For comparison, a flat bed trailer loaded with flat steel that grosses 13000 lbs is what u can "drag", but, stand up an 8' by 8' wall on the front, even with a somewhat aerodynamic cap, in a 10 mph head wind, and the real "drag" weight shoots way up there and goes higher as the speed increases! Have to put a computer to it for the actual numbers. Been dragging and driving RV's all over the US since the 70's and spent 10 yrs OTR, transporting oversize and overweight loads nationwide! When asked where I got my "Big Truck" experience, I told them my Dad would say "Get in that and follow me!" LOL!
Wow… speechless…thanks for the video.
Great video. But I don't think most people would tow a 38' or 34' trailer in the 11,000 lb GVWR weight with their 1500 ram.. Maybe do some with 26'-29', which are more commonly towed with a 1/2 ton.
I think you would be surprised. I feel like I'm pushing it with a 6500 pound TT that is 32 feet tounge to bumper, 28 foot actual trailer on a Ford expedition. I'm fine for payload, and total towing capacity, but would not really want to be any closer.
My catalina-legacy-edition is sitting around 1200lbs tongue weight loaded and it split the bottom of my receiver tube open on my navigator. I use a f350 now.
Can you do full review of the massive flagstaff on day please
I already did. th-cam.com/video/4prwbkHcLac/w-d-xo.html
@@BTBRVReviews thanks
WOW!!! I have learned so much from you. That's amazing.
Riddle me this: I ordered my 2016 F-150 with the Max Tow package. So my truck could tow more weight then without that package, but couldn't haul more payload as the Max Tow package didn't help payload at all on my 2016 F-150. If anything, adding the Max Tow package because of the extra stuff put on the truck increased my truck's overall weight, thus decreasing my trucks payload from if it was just ordered without the Max Tow package. What the hell is wrong with these truck manufactures?!?!? My 16 F-150 Lariat with Max Tow package had a pathetic payload of 1,448 lbs.. What a joke! So glad to have my 2020 F-250 now with 2,797 lbs payload for our larger travel trailer. Max Tow packages offered need to go hand in hand adding payload packages as standard. Thanks to this TH-cam channel and others, I have been greatly educated for proper towing equipment for RV's. Thanks JD!!!!
Is there a way to measure the pin weight on those 1/2 ton towable 5th wheels?
Man does not travel with toys alone. Any tongue weight removed by toys in that first toy hauler will be replaced by the rest of your cargo. Ending up with a higher tongue weight after you are fully loaded is not unreasonable imo
I have similar thoughts on the toy hauler. It’s designed to carry toys in the back.
Great video! Do you have a video hooking up to a heavy bumper pull like this one then hooking up to a fifth wheel with a similar pin weight and showing the difference in squat on a truck from the different positions?
Good job!!! So much information!!!
There's plenty of guys out there who already "know" their half-ton truck can pull a massive trailer. Additionally, these guys know that their half-ton truck pulling a massive travel trailer has the exact same driving characteristics (acceleration, handling, braking, etc.) as a brand new high-performance sports car.
When I purchased my forest river xlr fithwheel the brochure stated 2600lb tongue weight when I had it weighed it ended up having 4000lbs of tongue weight,so don’t ever trust the weights from the manufacturer
Damn! What’s in the garage. I know my tongue weight gets a heck of a lot better with my 2500 lbs rzr in the garage. (My turbo s has built suspension, cage, and aftermarket storage options that really increase the weight )
@@x3dominator28 that’s empty when I first bought it now it could be more
Does having the slides in or out change the tongue weight? Could you please check that out? Thanks
Nope. Only thing that could affect it is having the auto-level down.
Any way to hitch those same TTs up to a truck with an WD hitch and see how much of that weight is transferred? Maybe a video on how to check that you have maximized the distribution capability of said WD hitch? I've set mine up the best I could with the info I had, but I've always wondered if I can get a little more weight on the front tires if I move to another link tighter on my WD bars. Thank you. (sorry if you have already done that in another video!)
Wow...that beast weighs more than my 36ft 5er! Beautiful trailers though! Great video!
Excellent! Where’s part 1?
I would like to see a video with a Toyhauling 5th wheel. We have 1 now. And, it's 8,880 lbs dry. Being a 2014, she has 3 axles. Less than 9,000 lbs at 40' long is already cool as it is. But, if possible I'd like to see something like that, if you don't mind doing one. Thank you much. 🙏🙏
So what do you think about the F150 increased payload option that gives an F150 over a 3,000 pound payload capacity?
My thoughts are with that much payload capacity, the frame and brakes start to become the weak link, which has the potential to be catastrophic should something go wrong, just my opinion.
If you have a half-ton pick-up you don't want to buy a travel trailer over 30 feet long. Once you reach that size you need a 3/4 ton pick-up or 1 ton. Finally you got one right. Proud of you.
Huh? Finally?
@@BTBRVReviews yes finally. You are always saying people need a 3/4 ton to pull a travel trailer, when that is not true. Half tons can handle a travel trailer up to 30 feet with no problem with a wet weight of 7500. You keep saying that is too much for a half ton. I have proved that wrong at least 40 times over the last two years. So this time I agree with you that the trailers you showed do need a 3/4 ton or one ton to haul them.
Probably safe to just use 15% on tongue weight after looking at dry weight
Maybe you should go over and investigate that Class B set up.
Great information! Gotta get one of those gauges!
Do you have any videos like this of the front deck style toy haulers. Palomini 177 ORVBH
We’re all the trailers level when you weighed the tongue? Should it be for an accurate dry tongue weight reading? Does it matter? I assume any angle greater or less than level would change the reading as it pivots on the axle(s)right? How do the manufacturers come up with the dry tongue weight?
I get the point of the video, but many more factors than just dropping the tongue on the scale and calling it un-towable by a 1/2 ton.
I hope the frame manufacturers will wake up one day and give us one axle up front and one in the back like on the old wagons. The horse didn't carry any weight just pulled the weight. Pickup truck should just pull not carry part of the weight. You wouldn't have any payload issues. The trailer would also be more stable if it had front and back axles.
How well would the turn with an axle up front?
@@spankroy, obviously the front axle would turn. It would not be fixed. Like FedEx double trailer.
Buyer beware! Don't let dealers oversell you an RV just because your truck is rated to pull it.
Great video!!!! Thank you for sharing!!!! Would love to see video on some fifth wheel toy haulers!!!!!
How does the 1100 pound tongue weight measurement impact the use of a 500 pound max class 3 hitch?
Questions. Toyota Tundra with a 5.7 v8 engine is rated 1/2 ton?
Other thing to pay attention to is water tank location. A full water tank adds 200 lbs to my tongue weight, because the tank is forward.
Exactly Ron. Then the tongue weight loss on the return trip with the weight of the black and gray tanks behind the axels with empty front tank.
I think you should put a link to the RV sales center you are doing a review from.
So what is the go to figure tongue weight for a typical 1/2 ton truck?
It will be a good video if you can take these TTs and popular half-ton and 3/4-ton trucks on a white board, and make a white board video like what EngineeringExplained does, to further illustrate how trucks are payload-limited by comparing numbers, and also how the cargo/toy/water/propane/battery in trailer affects how much one can tow
They need to make trailers where the axles can slide to adjust tongue weight.
Great info.
I'm new but it seems to me that the conversation should start with getting 10-15% of the trailer weight on the tounge when loaded. Then the tow vehicles cargo capacity. Finally the towing capacity.
The sway / distribution bars distribute the weight.
I always here need to go with a 5'er but the garages are too small. Most 4 seat sxs's are 12 to 14 feet in length. Need a 15+ foot garage for my toys. I've only been able to find bumper pull TT's with this much garage space.
Rvs and truck and trailers should hit the scales like commercial vehicles... weed out those breaking towing ratings and licenses
Truck dealers avoid talking about payload capacity also, they make more money by loading up the truck with all of the options you could possibly ever think about to raise the out-the-door price. But with all those options your payload goes down down down until your one-ton SRW will have less payload than a ¾-ton truck with bare-bones features.
Im planing on buying a toy hauler i just got a 2022 trail boss 5.3l and im looking at a grey wolf 30ft dry weight 5100 and gross weight 7690lbs would i be good?
This video is amazing. Is there a way you can do this for fifth wheel RV’s?
Jd the flagstaff with four slides be ok behinds 2015 F250 gas 6.2?
As far as payload, you will be fine. As far as pulling with your truck it will tow it, it will just do what a gas engine does towing that weight and rev. You will know its back there it just depends on if you want to feel it, or if you want to tow with ease, if you dont mind working the truck (it wont hurt it) then it's fine, otherwise opt for a diesel. However even if you buy a 6000lb trailer your truck will tow this trailer roughly the same as far as engine performance. I would buy it and tow it with your truck, those 6.2 are workhorses, and are ran in construction etc, everyday pulling combined north of 20k
Hey, I was wondering what you think about the towing numbers for the Subaru Outback. I've got a 2022 XT, so a 3.5k pull and 350 tongue weight. With the Unibody design, it must have no weight distribution hitches. It has a curb weight of 3937 lbs. I will rarely tow it, maybe once monthly, but mostly just being a full-timer in one spot. Besides of looking for a trailer at 80% of my tongue and max capacity, what other numbers should I be calculating for? I've seen TH-camrs pulling an Airstream Basecamp 16x, with 435 tongue and 2635 dry.
If you're thinking pop up, you would be fine, you get into anything else you will be blowing out your payload and max towing quick.
Why would anybody give you a thumbs down on that video?
Does anybody know of a place that would rent these scales out for a few hours, to get the numbers and return, don't really need one anymore than one time with the same camper, if I bought one I wouldn't use it that often.
Ty
I was practically dead on all three. Used 13.5% for the first two and 13% for the last one. Last one was a bit tricky since you didn't really show where the axles were located.