Sion Abusing the New Rune before Riot Nerfs
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Kuz I’d love to not be between 80-4k ping
Yeah, but you considerably lower your Signal-to-Noise Ratio as a result. Packets get forcefully sent/received, resulting in a better ping… but at the expense of error correction. Double-edged sword.
(You acted surprised during your game when your E didn’t hit the Camille, or when the plant didn’t push you as far as you told the game to do. Could that be related to bad SNR?)
I think the strat could work. but like you said you should build frozen heart first or maybe the mr sunfire (i forgot the name). I feel like that would give you the power to survive easier then you can rush the support items with a lead. And then late game you could always sell the support items once you're full build.
@@DitiPeng how common would these errors be, realistically?
@@DitiPeng Nah wait, he just missed the E Camille because of the river height difference, and the plant didn't push him far because he was standing too close to the center.
Those aren't errors.
He really didnt support much this game lol
Lol yh the titanic with this made me goo hmmmmm 🤔🤣
i have the feeling that your team didnt need you one bit xD
That's just the sion experience at the moment no matter the build
Well he kept Camille top. But yeah bad case for the build lol
@@blutwirbel3180I’ve been playing heartsteel rush into titanic. Pretty strong
Wr of sion is not in a good place rn
the premise is not very good, chashback is percetual, ideally you'd stack the costliest items possible, not the other way around, because you have a max of 6 slots. this rune is OP on ap stackers and adcs imo
Ideally you'd be stacking snowball items on a scaling champ
(The Collector, Stormsurge, Mejai's Soulstealer, Ravenous Hydra, Hubris)
Or buying multiple infinite scaling items to help the growth go faster.
The way cashback works, it's 6% of the cost of the item. So it doesn't really matter whether you've bought 4 cheap items or 3 expensive ones. Either way, the rune basically scales with the amount of gold you've spent.
Now technically, if you run a cheap build, once you get to the point where you're at 6 items, sold your boots, bought an elixir, and are still floating gold, then yes you're not getting full potential value from the rune. But most games end way before then, especially at higher elos.
My point is, the best way to abuse the cash back rune, is to just take the cash back rune. You don't need to adjust your build.
True, but cheap items do mean you get the cash back gold faster which could theoretically be relevant.
Good comments in this thread, helps players decide what works best for their play style / decision making
@@virtuerseNow all we need is a balanced game to put all this info to good use 😂
Jokes on you, I got a stable 10 ping and am still shit.
i got 1-3 ping and im like gold or plat(i dont remember), this game is not hard but tests ones patience really hard
Bro I wish I could go under 60 ping playing on a Roblox server, that shit _triples_ your usual ping
my man went from double jg to double support
lmao
Locket was such a great lategame item pre season 10 when the shield still scaled with bonus health. Btw you can see the amount of cash back when looking at the runes bottom left corner.
The idea of buying support items on sion top kinda seems mediocre, these are the reasons I think so:
-Sion have lots of hp through passive, and he is balanced around that items with hp scaling exist like: titanic, sunfire, the new hp-ad% item
-You are supposed to be side line, and his wave clear with support items sucked, while your team was solo winning fights you barely could push fast enough for towers or roams
-When you reach late-game, you will have lots of unnecessary gold with low value items
There are some positives tho:
-Sion gets kited a lot in teamfights, so having some solari with resists that complements his hp and a shield to be useful can be neat, but in this video example it was barely used that way, most was splitpush
-A bit faster "spikes" but these spikes are kinda weak tho
Anyway, neat idea to have fun and make a video of, but doesnt look great for anyone wondering if it's actually good
In the late game he can just sell the support items and replace then. It's an early game snowball strat, not a late game build...
@@pmoddwhat is late game to you? he had the build at 30 mins lol
@@pedronabais1456 yeah and yet camille was going for the third item
sion doesnt have to sidelane similar to assassians he also looks for flanks in teamfights + he can tank
Hang on, about that advert...
TSM still exists?
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this video didnt make sense, you should actually buy expensive itens so that you get more gold back, by buying cheap itens you get less gold, and support sion? on toplane? nah, you can cook better than this
you HAVE to change some music choices on your videos, i love your content but this EDM futuristic thing is making my brain melt
I tried that gear up thing, it absolutely killed my fps and my pc in general, i had to restart my pc and i got disconnected from my game with a penalty, would not recommend. 0/5
This rune works very well on Karthus First Strike gold-printer :D Basically almost anything you do gains you gold,
especially if you also go with the triple tonic and Aproach velocity build you can actually kite people pretty easily after lvl 9 putting extra skill in W . Becomes a powerhouse on Rabadons item
Sorry to say you just got carried , you did absolutely nothing this game but feed lol.
dude is running out of ideas XD
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What more could Lillia have done at the start when Camille escaped?
Try some good old lethality Q bomba sion with the new first strike (more gold from procs itself, more damage too, less gold from the damage but you can easily poke with sion and proc it IMO) and cashback, might be cool and fun :)
not gonna lie you were totally useless in that game lol, built full support just to sidelane 25 minutes and get carried. I don't think anyone learned anything about cash back, support sion, or really anything at all lmao.
What exactly were you expecting? I got full build at 23 minutes buying cheap items, from there you group and win. I am ahead in gold of a Camille who won lane and my items cost less. Clearly cash back can work to snowball and sion is a good candidate for it because he can win with any items. The video showcases exactly that
@@Tilterella I was expecting a game which showcases an innovative strategy utilizing cash back working to its fullest potential. What I saw was a top island, a scuffed support item build that saw almost no use, and a team gap so large you could have AFKd and still won.
Wasnt there once a Sion Mid Build with Support Items? Is that maybe good now?
So, IMO while this rune is perfect for my Rakan support play style. I feel like this Rune is for a big buy early on. Maybe second Item, but I really like it as a first item big item buy. For ADC example, I.E. first item 3400 gold. Which, if my math isn't shitty is 204 gold back and a good jump start on a second item that's cheaper and was a core build path for adcs early on last season like a Phantom Dancer or Navori Flickerblade. That's just 100 shy of a dagger (300g) and a quick boost in power. Now, If you're a gold farming champ (or just good at getting CS) then over all this rune will fall off very early on. Twisted Fate / Draven / Pyke all of these champs are designed to get gold spikes earlier on to snowball. This rune is amazing for that and will absolutely get those champs ahead sooner and allow them to run the game. But if they don't end the game before any late game scaling champs scale... then the rune will harm them over all, as they could have taken a better rune to give them more power to win before the late game scaling champ becomes a monster.
i think you can use this rune like this: buying these cheap sup items early game so that youre scaling harder then your enemies bcs they arent gaining as much gold as you, and then you can sell those items one by one when ure full build to buy those expensive and more usefull items later with the money you cant really spend cause ur full build. im not a sion main or anything so idk if this work on sion but im kinda sure this strategy would work on at least some champs. and i think sion is one of them.
I like how he thinks he actually did "anything at all". He pushed lane, just like all other sion builds. Never once did he use his shield for the entire team like a normal support would. Laughable click bait.
seems pretty good. it's treasure hunter without the niche requirement. So only depends on whether you want domination or inspiration secondary
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Its not broken. U get 1000 gold usually i guess but over 30-40 mins if u play treasure hunter u can get all 550 or whatever gold at lvl1 if invade goes well
Cash back on tanks is busted. Let me roll a gwen as sion just played smart and it allowed me a 1 item lead, making gwen do 0 damage to me even with her full combo. She had to hit all ults and 5 full snips to kill
@Tilterella Would GearUP work to reduce the ping if I am in EU and try to play in NA ?
You get a free trial so that you can try it out and see if it works for you
It won't
The way the IP protocol work no software would fix your network
I hope tilterrela actually got well paid for it
The basic technical explanation is that your computer doesn't handl routing your ISP does
All a service really could do is set up a relay IP but that cannot reduce ping only increase it
My principal fear is the personal data that it could steal by rerouting your internet connection
It depends. Sometimes your ISP's default routing can be hot garbage and take a longer path than necessary. If that's the case and GearUp's relay uses a shorter path then it can reduce the ping.
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rather than sion with support item i think it's more beneficial for top lane twisted fate with cashback rune especially since tf generates more gold from his passive
This rune wont get nerfed because its just not that good. At best, its like 1600g if you hit full build
Loving all the content! We appreciate you ❤
I wonder if we can break this further
Frankenstein build of most gold efficient items
after watching a lot of bausffs, now baus's sion seems normal to me, yours seems weird. lol
15:53 that demolish cancel and subsequent 1 min pause there was kinda triggering.
gear up doesent work i ahve 6 ms without it and 16 with it enabled lol
Buys support items, doesn’t support even once. Somehow wins cos his team carries
you should lower the champion voice. no one wants to hear that over you talking...
bro 16 ping is way to high, i have between 5-6 ping xD i see into the future
Eh. It's a percentage. Buy what you want, it's a pretty alright rune.
that team its usually called "played without a top and still carried 4v5"
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You were much better off anathema chains. Very cheap and useful
Honest question: what's the point of taking Grasp if you don't proc it at all during the first eight minutes of the game?
What else are you gonna take
Honest answer: nothing else is gonna work for sion trades
@@sciguystfm I don't know but I mean... by minute 18 he had only procced it twice. Can he not get more value out of other runes? I don't doubt that the rune is very powerful on Sion, just not the way he uses it...
I think rushing sunfire first would still be the best option.
Lillia needed to hold E, Q a minion to gap close and yeah do more.
bro the team didn't need sion the whole match funny XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Lmao jokes on you I have a better connection but still suck
Isn’t it percentage based to the price of the item doesn’t matter?
12:55
I can see it working on a shen top, sion not so much
You can see cashback totol in your runes panel
What the Fast is up Pimps and Players
they were already winning without you :D
This build might highkey be really good on your double jungle strat, its gonna make the amount of money you steal SO much more valuable as you just snowball items faster. Especially if you have a carry type jungler...
The build not so much, but the concept, yes very strong for double jg.
@@Tilterella yeah i didn't really type my thoughts out well there, I meant cash back not so much the sup items....
Love your content as always, what are your thoughts on the jack of all trades rune? I recently started to discover a lot of champions can easily reach the 10 stacks by 3 items and the 25 adaptive +10 ability haste feels really nice. possible abuse with this strat since its easy to get a wide array of stats from support items ?
I’ve not tried it, does it take over cash back?
@@Tilterella no its on the bottom row of inspiration runes (right side).
PASSIVE: Earn 1 Jack stack for each unique stat type gained from items, stacking indefinitely.
JACK: For each Jack stack, gain 1 ability haste. At 5 Jack stacks, gain 6 bonus Attack Damage or 10 Ability Power (Adaptive). At 10 Jack stacks, gain an additional 9 bonus Attack Damage or 15 Ability Power (Adaptive), for a total of 15 bonus Attack Damage or 25 Ability Power (Adaptive) at 10 Jack stacks.
I think the free stats are really slept on for the rune, supports have access to a lot of mixed stat items so its probably even easier to stack with support items.
As kindred I managed to get 10 stacks from Kraken/icebound/wits end + boots, I'm sure there are much better build paths to get to the final spike a bit quicker though.
Edit: thought I would mention the move speed from boots counts as a different stat to % move speed from other items, most items provide 3 stats while some provide 4
8:50 backport and then ult back to lane ?
i think cashback is better on exp items instead of cheap items, but then again 6% is 6% regardless of item price so it doesn't really matter
Feels like he could have been way more effective this game by just playing normal tank/split push sion. Didn’t see much supporting and a few kills got away because he didn’t have the damage to even help
he really got too used to support xd
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Hurts my eyes after babus videos
lilia here, we are homies now.
I've been running the cashback with the rune that gives adaptive force and haste for each unique stat on your item, those two together, on Rakan. Its felt really good, I get a lot of stats from support items that have tons of unique stats, and I have all my items really really fast. I love it.
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TSM? never heard of em
My ping is 5. You're jealous of me at this point.
With 5 ping I’d be the greatest cheeser in town
Not a good Sion. At all
You can actually see how much cashback you get if you place cursor on the rune in “C” menu
I don't see the vision
i run at 8 ping lol
I too have low ping. All i needed was gigabit fiber optics
i have 9ms always
12:15 the number of alerts you get from getting into turret range is insane
Tilt using bausens law the first minutes of the game, truly a master at his craft 😮
You should try this cash back tech with support items on Braum top as well
shaco lost this
Nice content ❤
Im sorry but i dont download anything thats pushed down my throat by creators no disrespect tilt, but its same thing with porofessor, nothing is free without something to gain for the company 😂
it's a paid product. You download it, have a trial period to test if it works for you. Then your trial runs out and if you find the product helps your connection and you think the monthly cost is worth the reduced lag you pay a monthly fee.
@@Tilterella im just skizo, i even hate having league with vanguard on my pc. Hate knowing everything im doing is being watched
@KOSPhemBoy Tbf it's all being logged and watched regardless, either by the game company(diagnostics, crash logs, etc) ISP(all internet use, plenty of other privacy violating nonsense, collaborations with various intelligence agencies). There are so many different parties constantly watching all data, sharing it with various countries and companies, any attempt for privacy is kind of pointless at this point, things like TOR or Proxys are a bit of a joke because well it all feeds back into your ISP regardless and will be DPS'd or logged on your own machine and collected by various diagnostic services on either mac or windows(linux can be safe from that).
ngl the build dosent make sense, buying a 3k item (3*1k)*0,07 is the same as buying 3 1k items (1k*0,07)*3
I came up with the idea while loading into the game so I didn't flesh out the build, its more about the concept of cheap items to snowball mid game tempo
Can you link your runes and build after these? Thank you!
Sion Abusing the Old Team Dif tactic
12 ping here without that software ^_^
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Loser get firsted
Nice vid bro keep up the daily swag
this camille is subhuman, throwing all the leads he got almost immediately
That's what happens when you get boosted off an op champ. Lmao
Can you make a guide on double jungle?
I'd love to see this strat with an actual support champ in top lane, like braum.
you wouldn't be able to farm the gold as efficiently though and that would make the concept invalid
How do u expect to farm with no waveclear as braum
whats the music at 16:15
Thanks tilt!
Hey Tilt, just FYI the word Elo isn't a three-letter abbreviation like the band, it's just the word 'Elo' because it's named after the last name of the chess player Arpad Elo.
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The issue i have with buy back is that magical footware is over 300 gold in value. Thats usually two items of gold in buyback.
On most champs u want 👢 fast
how are you gonna promote something you cant test yourself :(